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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 19, 2024, 09:44:45 PM
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Clemson
Tenn Directional School
@ Kentucky
@ Bama
Auburn
Miss St
@ Texas
Florida
@ Ole Miss
Tennessee
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Based on preseason expectations......nevermind, forget about that. IU is 10-0, but has no big wins.
Let's say IU is actually good and upset Clemson week 1. Great. Would probably start 3-0, but still has at least 4 losses going forward. Even if you give them one of those, it's 7-3.
The problem is, those games @Bama and @Texas can easily become 2 losses - you shoot your wad in a huge game and come out lame in the next. They'd likely beat Auburn and Florida in a vacuum, but maybe not both in such situations.
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Final answer: 6-4
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What say you?
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If you go by SP+, 7-3. An upset either way gets them to 6-4 or 8-2.
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If you go by SP+, 7-3. An upset either way gets them to 6-4 or 8-2.
Don't go by SP+, go by you.
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Don't go by SP+, go by you.
Me usually goes by SP+ because that is proven and beats the spread, whereas you and I have lots of biases that might as well be beliefs in fairies. I dunno, Indiana is good. Georgia had had a really tough schedule. I wouldn't pick Indiana to beat, say Alabama or Texas, but it wouldn't surprise me either. Alabama couldn't handle Vanderbilt, and Indiana is a lot better than Vanderbilt.
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Notre Dame couldn't handle Northern Illinois. I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
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I'll go 6-4 or 8-2
7-3
like many touted SEC teams
the good thing is, ........ we're probably gonna see the Hoosiers on the field with a 2 or 3 loss SEC team in a few weeks
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I wonder who will be favored. :72:
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Notre Dame couldn't handle Northern Illinois. I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
now we're talkin bout Irish catholics boobies?
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I wonder who will be favored. :72:
depends on how the Hoosiers play against tOSU
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Can we exchange IU with Texas and ask the same question. What's their best win? narrow win at Vandy?
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7-3
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Can we exchange IU with Texas and ask the same question. What's their best win? narrow win at Vandy?
Start your own thread.
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I will say this to answer your question. We are from Iowa. In our family, we are college football fans.
My 90-year old mother living in Tucson, and I, have a telephone call at 5:15 p.m. every Friday, and we had such a call Friday, Oct. 18.
Mom: What do you think about Nebraska at Indiana?
Me: Indiana is undefeated but they haven't played anyone. Nebraska will wallop them.
Saturday Oct. 19, 2024: Nebraska 7 - Indiana 56
I learned my lesson [although I am picking Ohio State this weekend so maybe I'll get another whippin']. With Georgia's schedule:
Indiana goes 9-1 losing to its basketball rival, Kentucky. Ouch!
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8-2
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Such things are not "knowable", of course, so any opinion between about 6-6 and 10-2 seem reasonable to me (end of the season). UGA has a pastry this weekend, and then Tech, who is half decent, but the game is in Athens which might help, though UGA hasn't lost in Atlanta for "a while".
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He didn't even include all the opponents, but directional Tennessee made the cut.
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This is the whole problem with CFB is that we’re so quick to judge a team based on what happened for the last 20 seasons versus what a team has done in the last 3 months. It really shouldn’t matter, because they’ve won all the games they played. And that should be the only metric that counts.
For all the hand wringing about how the playoff would ruin CFB viewership is way up.
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I think WHO you defeated, or lost to, is very relevant. A team can be 10-0 having played "no one" and in my mind, they are at best unproven (Army). "We" are asked to draw conclusions based on incomplete evidence. I think also items like recruiting comes into play. Otherwise, we just "NFL" the numbers and count only wins and losses as all the same, so Army should be co-number one. We don't, I don't anyway.
Now, maybe Indiana is the real deal, we'll find out soon enough. Maybe Army is as well. We get more information as the season progresses. We never have ALL the information. But most folks don't think wins and losses are all the same.
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I wonder who will be favored. :72:
Depends on who it is. Georgia would be favored. Missouri would not be.
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Well 4-6 Kansas took care of the BYU problem
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I'm thinking IU's record would be like 14-0.
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I'm thinking IU's record would be like 14-0.
I like this guy.
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I often ponder the "who would be favored" question in considering rankings. I don't always know of course, but it's often fairly obvious. Right now, Indiana would be a clear dog against @Texas/@Bama/Tenn/@Ole Miss, and probably a slight dog against Clemson (neutral site). That doesn't mean they'd lose every game obviously.
They'd be favored over the rest. So, 8-4 is an OK guess. I guess.
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I often ponder the "who would be favored" question in considering rankings. I don't always know of course, but it's often fairly obvious. Right now, Indiana would be a clear dog against @Texas/@Bama/Tenn/@Ole Miss, and probably a slight dog against Clemson (neutral site). That doesn't mean they'd lose every game obviously.
They'd be favored over the rest. So, 8-4 is an OK guess. I guess.
SP+ is a decent metric to go by to predict spreads. OSU is favored by 12.5 over Indiana. They are a 9.9 favorite on a neutral field by SP+, and of course they are playing at home. If you go by that, on a neutral field Indiana would be:
- +8.1 v. Bama
- +8 v. Texas
- +7.5 v. Ole Miss
- +5 v. Georgia
- +.9 v. Tennessee
- -1.8 v. TAMU
- -3.9 v. Clemson
- -5.5 v. South Carolina
- -6.4 v. Mizzou
- -7.4 v. Auburn
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Notre Dame couldn't handle Northern Illinois. I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
Hence the difficulty in trying to predict the future.. Any sort of notion that upsets never happen gets quickly snuffed out.
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South Carolina has turned into kind of a tough out, it would seem, one bad loss to Ole Miss. They easily could have defeated Bama away.
I don't know how good they really are of course, but they could plausibly beat Clemson at Clemson. Maybe. Maybe they are the SEC equivalent to Indiana.
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It's sort of funny to ask what any top ten team's record would be with that slate. Even if UGA played it again in some alternate universe, they might end up 8-4, or 12-0. Ole Miss pretty much manhandled them, as did Bama in the first half. I had a pretty quick sense in the Ole Miss game they would lose barring turnovers etc. The teams didn't look near equal at all, to me. For that matter, when Tennessee went up 10-0, it looked a lot like "there we go again".
For some strange reason, these 20 year old kids can look pretty awesome one week and very mortal the next.
Kirby needs to pay all the Mediots out there to predict the Dawgs have NO chance before every game and will be lucky to go 7-5.
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4 losses.
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Can we exchange IU with Texas and ask the same question. What's their best win? narrow win at Vandy?
8-2
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Texas had what looked like a good win at Michigan on the road at the time. They beat Oklahoma soundly, again, not looking now like a thing. The 3 point win at Vandy was shortened by a late Vandy TD. They also looked mortal at Arkansas. They looked up at the scoreboard against UGA and thought the start of the game must have already happened. So, no highly impressive wins there.
As someone noted, Tennessee doesn't have a much different slate though they did beat Bama and were upset by Arkansas and beat Florida in OT. They looked very good at UGA for a few minutes.
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I say, Let the Hoosiers enjoy their undefeatedness, at least until the 2nd half of Saturday's game.
They will be tested by the top of the big Ten before the playoff
I'd rather question the top of the Big 12, the ACC, and the PAC
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I think it's "fair" to question any of the top teams. One can present the idea "they haven't beaten anyone" for most of them, and then if they have, just say "Well, I don't think X is really that good."
Take UGA, you can make a case Texas/Tenn/Clemson aren't really banner wins. Ohio State can point to PSU (who isn't really any good because they haven't beat anyone). It goes on and on. You end up with "Nobody is very good", which isn't the relavent question.
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it's silly to try to answer the question of this thread until Indiana has actually played a top team
we should be able to give much better answers next week
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As a Tennessee guy, with an obvious rooting interest, my beef is with Ole Miss, and Texas -- if they suffer a 2nd loss (A&M).
Ole Miss has done nothing better than Tennessee, has a worse loss (at home), and didn't even attempt to play anyone with a pulse in the non-conference.
Texas had a creampuff schedule, as was rightly pointed out before the season, and their best win is ..... Vandy? I do think they are a good team, however, and if they beat A&M, then this argument is moot, and they are certainly deserving.
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Texas at least tried to play someone
bama went to Wisconsin
Georgia played Clemson
your Vols played NC St.
A&M played ND - best so far!
LSU played USC
Ole Miss played Wake Forrest??? Geez
South Carolina has Clemson coming up
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so, the SEC front runners played 3 decent non-con games
2 against Clemson and ND
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I say, Let the Hoosiers enjoy their undefeatedness, at least until the 2nd half of Saturday's game.
They will be tested by the top of the big Ten before the playoff
I'd rather question the top of the Big 12, the ACC, and the PAC
ppl actually have ?s about those turds?
miami/iu would be a fun game....in the citrus bowl.
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UGA also has Georgia Tech upcoming, as usual, and they are "Others Receiving Votes". For now.
And they beat Miami.
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As a Tennessee guy, with an obvious rooting interest, my beef is with Ole Miss, and Texas -- if they suffer a 2nd loss (A&M).
Ole Miss has done nothing better than Tennessee, has a worse loss (at home), and didn't even attempt to play anyone with a pulse in the non-conference.
Texas had a creampuff schedule, as was rightly pointed out before the season, and their best win is ..... Vandy? I do think they are a good team, however, and if they beat A&M, then this argument is moot, and they are certainly deserving.
Texas has the exact same SEC schedule as Tennessee, except swap Alabama for Texas A&M. Both of which currently have 2 losses and look to be in roughly the same tier. So anything said about Texas' schedule goes the same for Tennessee's schedule.
So as the French might say, "Et voila."
And there you have it.
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Texas lost by 15 to UGA, and Tennessee only lost by 14.
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ppl actually have ?s about those turds?
miami/iu would be a fun game....in the citrus bowl.
Canes/Buffs in the citrus
Washington St./Clemson in the holiday
ND/BYU in the Alamo Bowl
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Texas lost by 15 to UGA, and Tennessee only lost by 14.
Texas beat piggy on the road, Tennessee lost.
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Texas lost by 15 to UGA, and Tennessee only lost by 14.
At home / on road
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At home / on road
Arkansas.
/argument
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Texas has the exact same SEC schedule as Tennessee, except swap Alabama for Texas A&M. Both of which currently have 2 losses and look to be in roughly the same tier. So anything said about Texas' schedule goes the same for Tennessee's schedule.
So as the French might say, "Et voila."
And there you have it.
Which is exactly why I picked Ole Miss and Texas as comparisons to TN, and not UGA, and Bama.
I certainly appreciate the rubber stamping though. LOL
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Arkansas.
/argument
No wins. \ argument
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No wins. \ argument
Huh? Texas has lots of wins. Including the win @Arkansas.
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Huh? Texas has lots of wins. Including the win @Arkansas.
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You're Indiana, except with a loss. Sorry, bro.
You'll probably beat A&M, then as said previously -- moot point.
2 loss Texas has no business near the playoff, however.
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The argument against Texas' record really is pretty silly. Essentially, what people are saying, is that if Texas had beaten Georgia but lost to a shitty team like Mississippi State or Florida, then Texas would appear to be a better team. That seems really stupid to me, but folks are pretty stupid, so there you have it.
Regardless, I'll certainly agree that if Texas loses either one of the next two games, then the Horns won't be worthy of a playoff spot and I'd have zero problem with the selection committee leaving us out.
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College Football Playoff rankings: Indiana, Miami, Notre Dame overrated, Urban Meyer claims (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/college-football-playoff-rankings-indiana-miami-notre-dame-overrated-urban-meyer-claims-240076405/)
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The argument against Texas' record really is pretty silly. Essentially, what people are saying, is that if Texas had beaten Georgia but lost to a shitty team like Mississippi State or Florida, then Texas would appear to be a better team. That seems really stupid to me, but folks are pretty stupid, so there you have it.
Regardless, I'll certainly agree that if Texas loses either one of the next two games, then the Horns won't be worthy of a playoff spot and I'd have zero problem with the selection committee leaving us out.
It makes sense to me. Maybe I'm stupid.
OM lost at home to Kentucky, but beat UGA.
Suppose OM beat KY, but lost to UGA. With their best win remaining being S. Carolina.
In my mind there is little doubt that beating UGA handily raised their profile, even though they dropped one they shouldn't have. And that has clearly been reflected in the AP, and CFP rankings.
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Ironically, a loss to an "NIU" is often quasi-forgiven as a fluke, while a loss to a "UGA" is a sign you're not very good.
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Ironically, a loss to an "NIU" is often quasi-forgiven as a fluke, while a loss to a "UGA" is a sign you're not very good.
I think the first part is TRUE (although shouldn't be), and the second part --- who thinks that?
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Folks who find fault with Texas appear to think that. Perhaps I over stated the point, but I think many think a loss to a credible team is more relevant to your status than a clear upset loss in a "fluke". Take Ole Miss, for example, the loss to UK is somewhat excused, the loss to LSU now also looks pretty weak as well, but they are the second top ranked two loss team, to Alabama, who has the "excused" loss to Vandy, and a credible loss to Tenn.
Maybe I disproved my "point". It happens.
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I think the first part is TRUE (although shouldn't be), and the second part --- who thinks that?
You do. You've spent the last 2 pages repeating just that.
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Folks who find fault with Texas appear to think that. Perhaps I over stated the point, but I think many think a loss to a credible team is more relevant to your status than a clear upset loss in a "fluke". Take Ole Miss, for example, the loss to UK is somewhat excused, the loss to LSU now also looks pretty weak as well, but they are the second top ranked two loss team, to Alabama, who has the "excused" loss to Vandy, and a credible loss to Tenn.
Maybe I disproved my "point". It happens.
No, you're completely proving your point. Because each of those teams has a win over some other team in the circle-jerk of "credible" wins, their losses against shitty teams are being excused. This is my exact point.
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Folks who find fault with Texas appear to think that. Perhaps I over stated the point, but I think many think a loss to a credible team is more relevant to your status than a clear upset loss in a "fluke". Take Ole Miss, for example, the loss to UK is somewhat excused, the loss to LSU now also looks pretty weak as well, but they are the second top ranked two loss team, to Alabama, who has the "excused" loss to Vandy, and a credible loss to Tenn.
Maybe I disproved my "point". It happens.
My line of thinking is UGA is a "good loss" for anyone. And by "good", I mean perfectly understandable and acceptable.
If you have a bad loss, KY, Arky -- a good/great win can offset that bad loss.
A bad loss/great win > good loss/no good win.
OM/TN fit the first criteria. Texas the second.
With a win over A&M ( a good win, on the road no less), vaults 1 loss Texas clearly ahead of OM/TN. A loss is self explanatory here.
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Now I'm confused, but I'm glad I was right, somehow.
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You do. You've spent the last 2 pages repeating just that.
If you think a 7th place MAC, and and low tier SEC are the same thing, then you got me.
But you don't, and ....you don't.
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Now I'm confused, but I'm glad I was right, somehow.
I think this is exactly what the committee will say on selection Sunday.
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If you think a 7th place MAC, and and low tier SEC are the same thing, then you got me.
But you don't, and ....you don't.
i have no idea what the MAC has to do with it.
But my fundamental disagreement with you is you forgiving a shitty loss due to a "good win."
The first time Georgia or Alabama lost, that seemed like a "good win." The second time, it can only diminish the "good win" status.
So now it just ends up as a circle jerk of "credibility" from "good wins" from teams that keep on piling on the losses.
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I think this is exactly what the committee will say on selection Sunday.
Now this I'll agree with.
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a shitty loss is a shitty loss is a shitty loss and should be penalized
IMO
Great teams don't lose to shitty teams
only room for great teams in a 12-team playoff - (as at large)
Only 7 slots open for at-large
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i have no idea what the MAC has to do with it.
The example was NIU -- that's not forgivable. They're in the MAC, 7th place to be exact.
But my fundamental disagreement with you is you forgiving a shitty loss due to a "good win."
Fair enough. I'm not sure what your measuring stick is. So make a case for every current 2 loss SEC team, and tell me who gets in. Maybe that will help me see your side.
The first time Georgia or Alabama lost, that seemed like a "good win." The second time, it can only diminish the "good win" status.
So now it just ends up as a circle jerk of "credibility" from "good wins" from teams that keep on piling on the losses.
Yep. And this is what the committee is wading through every week.
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a shitty loss is a shitty loss is a shitty loss and should be penalized
IMO
Great teams don't lose to shitty teams
only room for great teams in a 12-team playoff - (as at large)
Only 7 slots open for at-large
Better shrink the playoff back to 4 teams. There aren't 12 great teams.
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just need 7 for at large slots
Big Ten has 3 w/o shitty losses - assuming Oregon is the champ and takes a top 4 seed
PSU, tOSU, & the Hoosiers
SEC has 3 w/o shitty losses - assuming Texas is the champ
A&M, UGA, & the Cocks
Just need one more..........
ND has a shitty loss
Clemson if they win out
Miami if Georgia Tech wins out over UGA
SMU if Clemson takes the ACC top 4 seed
the Big 12 has nuttin
the PAC? nuttin
yup, tough to find 7
and might be tougher in a couple weeks
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Fair enough. I'm not sure what your measuring stick is. So make a case for every current 2 loss SEC team, and tell me who gets in. Maybe that will help me see your side.
Well first of all, Texas isn't a 2-loss SEC team. No case needs to be made there, unless/until a second loss occurs.
And second, I really don't feel like spending the time to do that, no offense intended. That's the selection committee's job, not mine. If they want to pay me, I'll go through that exercise for them. :)
Better shrink the playoff back to 4 teams. There aren't 12 great teams.
Best idea all day, completely agree.
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Well first of all, Texas isn't a 2-loss SEC team. No case needs to be made there, unless/until a second loss occurs.
And second, I really don't feel like spending the time to do that, no offense intended. That's the selection committee's job, not mine. If they want to pay me, I'll go through that exercise for them. :)
Now, now......don't knock it until you've tried it.
The time you've spent shooting holes in my logic, you could've already made your case.
Where do I mail the check to?
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Now, now......don't knock it until you've tried it.
The time you've spent shooting holes in my logic, you could've already made your case.
Where do I mail the check to?
Ha!
To be fair, I don't really have any issues with your logic. I think you and I have a fundamental difference of opinion on assigning the relative merit of wins and losses, and there's no "fix" for that, it just IS. :)
Ultimately I obviously HOPE that Texas wins out, including and especially the win over rival Texas A&M, and that really doesn't have anything to do with the playoff. It's much deeper and more important than that.
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Better shrink the playoff back to 4 teams. There aren't 12 great teams.
the 12 team playoff was all about allowing non-great teams a seat at the table - I understand
an ungreat team is gonna slide in once in a while in the 7 at-large slots
that's OK with me to a certain extent
if you are an undeserving team with a shitty loss - sorry, cry if you'd like
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We saw TCU slide into the final 2 a bit back, few thought they had a really elite team. I "think" the days of having 1-2-3-4 really "elite" level teams are over, we're going to have some really good teams and some pretty good but dangerous teams. This year we'll see a couple "pretty good" teams left out. They'll get some bowl invite.
Bowl season is going to look really weird I think.
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the 12 team playoff was all about allowing non-great teams a seat at the table - I understand
Like BYU
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yup, Big 12 champ and the FBS champion
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the 12 team playoff was all about allowing non-great teams a seat at the table - I understand
an ungreat team is gonna slide in once in a while in the 7 at-large slots
that's OK with me to a certain extent
if you are an undeserving team with a shitty loss - sorry, cry if you'd like
Ahhh, I see. You fell for the rope-a-dope.
Expanding was never for the little guy. It is, was, and will always be --- a way to get more power programs (helmets) into the dance.
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We saw TCU slide into the final 2 a bit back, few thought they had a really elite team. I "think" the days of having 1-2-3-4 really "elite" level teams are over, we're going to have some really good teams and some pretty good but dangerous teams. This year we'll see a couple "pretty good" teams left out. They'll get some bowl invite.
Bowl season is going to look really weird I think.
Weird as in .... no one will care. At all.
The playoff has put the final nail in the bowl system's coffin.
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Ahhh, I see. You fell for the rope-a-dope.
Expanding was never for the little guy. It is, was, and will always be --- a way to get more SEC & B1G power programs (helmets) into the dance.
once the SEC and B1G take a few of teams from the ACC and ND, the farce will be over
but, you're right, it was all about 4 SEC and 4 B1G teams in (maybe more) and having those 8-10 teams assured of playing in the champ game
It would be great for USC to upset ND and knock the Irish out!
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once the SEC and B1G take a few of teams from the ACC and ND, the farce will be over
but, you're right, it was all about 4 SEC and 4 B1G teams in (maybe more) and having those 8-10 teams assured of playing in the champ game
It would be great for USC to upset ND and knock the Irish out!
Got my fingers crossed.
As always, ND benefits more than anyone else, while not playing by the same set of rules.
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Now that there's a huge playoff, I don't really care if Notre Dame gets in. They'll be eliminated quickly enough.
Back in the olden days, when overrated ND teams stole space from legitimate contenders, it was a problem. Now, they'll just be one of many undeserving, or at least under-deserving, teams that will get in.
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I still care, but only because I've never liked the Irish because of their snootiness
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10-0.
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10-0.
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bastage
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ND/BYU in the Alamo Bowl
(https://i.imgur.com/yBeop8B.jpeg)
Whipped this up real quick on MS paint.
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2 loss Texas has no business near the playoff, however.
But then how will Arch Manning lead the Horns to the natty, with Jim Nance announcing and "One Shining Moment" playing over the highlights?
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Ahhh, I see. You fell for the rope-a-dope.
Expanding was never for the little guy. It is, was, and will always be --- a way to get more power programs (helmets) into the dance.
While at the same time making it impossible for the little guy to win a NC. The illusion of inclusiveness.
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(https://i.imgur.com/8gzCWAk.jpeg)
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Better shrink the playoff back to 4 teams. There aren't 12 great teams.
Are there even 4 great teams?
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But then how will Arch Manning lead the Horns to the natty, with Jim Nance announcing and "One Shining Moment" playing over the highlights?
If that happens, Jim will have to sing the song
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Are there even 4 great teams?
depends on your definition of greatness
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My line of thinking is UGA is a "good loss" for anyone. And by "good", I mean perfectly understandable and acceptable.
If you have a bad loss, KY, Arky -- a good/great win can offset that bad loss.
A bad loss/great win > good loss/no good win.
OM/TN fit the first criteria. Texas the second.
With a win over A&M ( a good win, on the road no less), vaults 1 loss Texas clearly ahead of OM/TN. A loss is self explanatory here.
LOL. I guess Arky was a good loss for TN.....or something? I wish the committee would just say: "We're gonna pick who we want."
(https://i.imgur.com/sctKUHl.png)
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LOL. I guess Arky was a good loss for TN.....or something? I wish the committee would just say: "We're gonna pick who we want."
[img width=500 height=465.996]https://i.imgur.com/sctKUHl.png[/img]
I don't know the answer here, but before jumping to conspiracy I thought they picked the two best wins for each school, and TCUN didn't make the cut for Texas.
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I don't know the answer here, but before jumping to conspiracy I thought they picked the two best wins for each school, and TCUN didn't make the cut for Texas.
Maybe so ???
I would think Michigan's name alone would carry more weight that Vandy or Arky, though? They all seem to be on par this year.
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the win vs Michigan should be more impressive than Arky
same 5-5 records but Michigan's losses and overall schedule are better than Arky
Arky has a loss to Okie St.3-7 and 0-7 in the Big 12
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7-3/6-4 something like this.
Ohio State about to smack them.
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Maybe the list above was TWO best wins, not just best wins. Michigan on the road strikes me as a better win than Vandy on the road, if by name only. Frankly, I don't know how I would rank the top ten or so. A team like UGA looks great for a half and then awful for a half.
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Indiana and ND are glaring.
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I wonder how Tenn is 17 and Texas is 38, but whatever. Tenn played Bama, both played UGA.
I always ponder why the top teams really only have 1 or 2 really big games in a season, sometimes 3 or 4.
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I wonder how Tenn is 17 and Texas is 38, but whatever. Tenn played Bama, both played UGA.
I always ponder why the top teams really only have 1 or 2 really big games in a season, sometimes 3 or 4.
UTenn played Alabama already, Texas hasn't played A&M yet.
And then I suppose there could be some difference in the OOC schedule too. Golderned Michigan not holding up their end of the deal.
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BYU has played SMU and K-st??
SMU has played BYU and Pitt?
I'd wonder about BYU at 53
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I wonder how Tenn is 17 and Texas is 38, but whatever. Tenn played Bama, both played UGA.
I always ponder why the top teams really only have 1 or 2 really big games in a season, sometimes 3 or 4.
A small, but non-zero part of it is that a top team doesn't play itself.
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A small, but non-zero part of it is that a top team doesn't play itself.
Oh, I don't know about that. A&M has beat itself many, many times over the years.
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"We" pick on Team X often for "not playing anybody", which is OK I guess, but a lot of Team Xs are in the same situation. And then the one apparently good team they played "hasn't played anybody" either. A lot of good teams have a one or two game schedule, if they can avoid major upsets.
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more common today with oversized conferences and the watering down of the Big 12
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Might I suggest that instead of engaging in histrionics and proclaiming the system as broken, or impossible, while there are still 2 regular season games plus CCGs left for many of the top CFP contenders, we just... I don't know... wait and see what happens?
Heaven forbid we act rationally and wait for all data to be available before performing an analysis.
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Heaven forbid we act rationally and wait for all data to be available before performing an analysis.
We're "fans", and a bit fanatical about it all...
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Might I suggest that instead of engaging in histrionics and proclaiming the system as broken, or impossible, while there are still 2 regular season games plus CCGs left for many of the top CFP contenders, we just... I don't know... wait and see what happens?
Heaven forbid we act rationally and wait for all data to be available before performing an analysis.
Ed Zachery
back in the 80's and 90's, I was a little more concerned my team might get screwed.
I have it easy these daze - no worries
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Oh, I don't know about that. A&M has beat itself many, many times over the years.
yes, but he also said a 'top team', so are we really talking about aTm? :57:
sorry, kinda walked into that one.
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How many "real games" do you think your team plays this season (regular)?
You might include those road games that are tougher than the opponent would be alone, like going to Vandy....
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How many "real games" do you think your team plays this season (regular)?
You might include those road games that are tougher than the opponent would be alone, like going to Vandy....
11. The only one that isn't a 'real game' for us is the FCS team.
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How many "real games" do you think your team plays this season (regular)?
You might include those road games that are tougher than the opponent would be alone, like going to Vandy....
I was assured that the SEC is a "meat grinder" and that even the lowliest SEC teams are capable of tearing out your spleen with a flick of the wrist.
So, we have 8 "real games" this year.
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should have 9 but dodged on purpose
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Well, we played 1 non P4 team this year. Even with FSU's drop to being a deaf & blind HS team, the Gators face the current #3, 8,9,10,11, and 15th-ranked teams.
I'd say we earned whatever we get this year.
IU MIGHT not be 10-0 against such a schedule.
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Gators might not be 10-0 against the Hoosier's schedule
we'll never know
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Gators might not be 10-0 against the Hoosier's schedule
we'll never know
I guess we should only discuss the certain. Fun world.
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My uncertain opinion for fun:
IU's record vs Florida's schedule: 6-4
Florida's record vs IU's schedule: 6-4
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I said we'll never know
I didn't say we won't discuss it.
I'm sure we'll discuss it again next week after the Ohio state results
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A thing about Florida this season, as I've watched them, they are getting better, aside from having some rough injuries. I think they give Ole Miss issues.
A mobile QB can give anyone issues. Unless he's hurt.
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A thing about Florida this season, as I've watched them, they are getting better, aside from having some rough injuries.
Agreed, and it's all the more impressive in that the schedule is back-heavy.
Napier may or may not be 'the guy,' but to still have buy-in after 2 losing seasons and 2 early blowout losses is surprising, and speaks very highly of him and the staff. Plus the complete 180 of the defense after a few games in has blown my mind. And I haven't noticed any huge Xs and Ox differences, only new, younger players getting meaningful time out there.
Florida's youngsters are much more talented than the Mullen guys still on the roster. It's POSSIBLE (not probably, but possible) Napier has weathered the storm and the worst is behind him. Time will tell...but there is reason for optimism.
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A thing I look for in a team is whether they are playing hard and seem to be playing as a unit. I got the impression LSU has "mailed it in". They don't seem "cohesive" to me, kind of lollygaggers. In today's environment, I can understand how players might just "drop out", thinking they have no NFL prospects, they don't like the coach, they don't like any extra work, they have cliques on the team, so they go through the motions.
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They refer to those players as loooooosers
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I see the words "lose" and "loose" confused on line a lot, along with "dominant" and "dominate".
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They refer to those players as loooooosers
aka 3x transfer portal guys
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I see the words "lose" and "loose" confused on line a lot, along with "dominant" and "dominate".
I could do a whole thread on this.
But just 2 things here:
1 - far less than half the population says "allegedly" correctly....they say "allegably"
and
2 - the urban dialect completely gave up on there/their/they're and just say "they" for "their" and "they're"....as if at some point in 2011 they said "fuck it, we're never figuring this out, let's just give up"
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Irregardless, I still see the utility in correct grammar and spelling.
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Irregardless, I still see the utility in correct grammar and spelling.
Not a word.
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Uhhh...
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Drop the "ir" and you've got a word.
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Drop the "ir" and you've got a word.
Seriously, come on, man.
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Uhhh...
He missed the sarcasm font.
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Inflammable was a word back in the day, it's use now is discouraged for obvious reasons.
It was two much too take, to I guess.
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He missed the sarcasm font.
Yep.
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Inflammable was a word back in the day, it's use now is discouraged for obvious reasons.
It was two much too take, to I guess.
(https://i.redd.it/q1tum8bad5521.gif)
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.500, maybe.
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Not a word.
(https://media.tenor.com/Uoh5CrkplOQAAAAM/smh-laugh.gif)
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I think Indiana is where we thought they were, a pretty solid midrange team with a soft schedule, but they took care of business that said except Saturday. By midrange, I mean ranked 10-20ish, not 50ish. We've seen how tough it is to go on the road in the SEC and win ...
.... that's my story and I'm sticking to it...
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I think Indiana is where we thought they were, a pretty solid midrange team with a soft schedule, but they took care of business that said except Saturday. By midrange, I mean ranked 10-20ish, not 50ish. We've seen how tough it is to go on the road in the SEC and win ...
.... that's my story and I'm sticking to it...
Sure, and if they're truly the 20th-best team in a vacuum, they're about middle-of-the-pack in the SEC. For what it lacks in elite, top-end teams this year, the conference is still quite deep.
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Indiana might compare with South Carolina, a team with enough talent to give the elite a struggle and maybe a loss, but not to do it consistently, and perhaps lose to some lesser team along the way.
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Indiana might compare with South Carolina, a team with enough talent to give the elite a struggle and maybe a loss, but not to do it consistently, and perhaps lose to some lesser team along the way.
Yeah sounds about right to me. Still, a heck of a coaching job and a heck of a year for the Hoosier footballers.
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Hard to say anything changed my opinion. No one can seriously say they would be surprised if Indiana beat Alabama. It wouldn't even be much of an upset.
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The SEC teams this year have been plain silly. I suspect it reflects that the better teams have exploitable holes in their defense and offense, and a "lesser" team can beat them, especially at home. USCe nearly beat Alabama on the road. They might beat Clemson next Saturday.
I obviously had written off the SEC CG as a potential event before last night, it seemed unlikely, and undeserved. This has been a strange year on multiple fronts, including that Indiana has been competitive and is 10-1. The one point loss to Oregon looks pretty good for Ohio State now.
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For what it is worth, Indiana has now beat 3 bowl elligible teams, Washington, Michigan and Nebraska.
Indiana has also blown out 4 other Big Ten teams. Mich St, UCLA, NW and MD. MSU might still make it to a bowl too.
I guess that helps feed into the consensus emerging that Indiana is definitely a top 20 team, just not a top 5 team.
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so, if Ohio St plays undefeated Oregon in a couple weeks, runs a kick back for a TD and blocks a kick to set up another TD and wins by 20 on a neutral field, ........... A one loss Oregon isn't worthy?
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so, if Ohio St plays undefeated Oregon in a couple weeks, runs a kick back for a TD and blocks a kick to set up another TD and wins by 20 on a neutral field, ........... A one loss Oregon isn't worthy?
Who's saying that? I think the B1G is going to get several teams into the playoff. A 1-loss Oregon would certainly be among them.
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I suspect the B1G will get four teams in, with the usual complaining, and the SEC will get 3.
Oregon is in unless they botch the last game, same with Indiana and Ohio State and Penn State.
The same is probably the case for Texas, UGA, Tennessee.
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Who's saying that? I think the B1G is going to get several teams into the playoff. A 1-loss Oregon would certainly be among them.
some SEC fans are sayin the Hoosiers aren't worthy, because of the loss to a good Buckeye squad in the Shoe
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I understand knockin the Hoosier's schedule
who has Oregon played?
Boise?
the Ducks didn't play Indiana or Penn St. or Iowa
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so, if Ohio St plays undefeated Oregon in a couple weeks, runs a kick back for a TD and blocks a kick to set up another TD and wins by 20 on a neutral field, ........... A one loss Oregon isn't worthy?
If the injury bug doesn't get them the Ducks are my pick to take the hardware
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hopefully in a 3rd game with the Bucks
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some SEC fans are sayin the Hoosiers aren't worthy, because of the loss to a good Buckeye squad in the Shoe
False.
Some college football fans with brains were wary of IU's record and their performance didn't do anything to alter their skepticism.
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I understand knockin the Hoosier's schedule
who has Oregon played?
Boise?
the Ducks didn't play Indiana or Penn St. or Iowa
I think they played and beat OSU...
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False.
Some college football fans with brains were wary of IU's record and their performance didn't do anything to alter their skepticism.
OK, I was wrong
SEC fans think the Hoosiers are worthy and deserve to be in the playoff
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SEC "fans" largely think Indiana has zero impressive wins and a loss, ergo Vanderbilt should get their spot.
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OK, I was wrong
SEC fans think the Hoosiers are worthy and deserve to be in the playoff
One who speaks only in extremes....
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so, they may or may not be worthy
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We're all influenced by Helmetosity of course. Indiana is "never" any good, so they can't be good, even if they are pretty good.
Now, it they were an SEC team, it'd be different.
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We're all influenced by Helmetosity of course. Indiana is "never" any good, so they can't be good, even if they are pretty good.
Now, it they were an SEC team, it'd be different.
Right, they'd have a lot more losses.
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As noted, they could have faced Texas' schedule, in which case they could well be 10-1. They both beat UM.
Which other Texas opponent would be favored over Indiana? Vandy? Florida with a QB3? Arky? MSU? Maybe Indy drops one of those, Texas almost did, kind of.
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Sure, and if they're truly the 20th-best team in a vacuum, they're about middle-of-the-pack in the SEC. For what it lacks in elite, top-end teams this year, the conference is still quite deep.
Per the popular power rankings out the, IU is 11th, 2-3 points behind Tennessee and ahead of A&M.
With the unbalanced schedule, most of these teams are getting 1-2 of the other contenders (UGA is the exception). So IU is probably in that mix, if one wants to play imaginary football.
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We're all influenced by Helmetosity of course. Indiana is "never" any good, so they can't be good, even if they are pretty good.
Now, it they were an SEC team, it'd be different.
It's also different in the transfer portal era.
Usually a team like IU needs to hire a new coach, show a year or two of progress as the improved record due to coaching leads to better recruiting. Then those recruits need to actually develop. A non-helmet team going from 3-9 to 7-5 in one year is one thing. A team going from 3-9 to 11-1 in one year is not something we typically see. It's usually a 3-4 year process.
There are very few "1 year turnarounds" of a crappy team. Or... There were, before a coach can just replace huge swaths of the roster in a single offseason.
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As usual, an erudite observation.
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As usual, an erudite observation.
Is that like an amethyst?
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Now, it they were an SEC team, it'd be different.
Right, they'd have a lot more losses.
Like Florida,Bama,LSU
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Had Indiana played Texas opponents they might well be 10-1, it's not out of the realm. As we've all noted, for a really good team, it's a 2 game schedule, generally speaking, and then holding serve over a bunch of inferiors (which is not easy). Indiana had a one game slate this season, and lost the one, while holding serve.
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Hoosiers will soon get another chance to prove themselves
no, not Purdue