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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 06, 2024, 05:38:36 PM
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If there already was one, I didn't see it. I apologize and please merge.
This is NUTS! Indiana is #8 in the CFP rankings, #8 in the AP, and #10 in the coaches poll. With a win over the Wolverines, I could see them jumping as many as three spots in the rankings because the three teams ahead of them (TN, PSU, TX) each have a loss. Indiana is held back by their SoS and their "brand". A win over Michigan would help immensely with that because while Michigan is merely a .500 team, they are "Michigan" so it would be a brand name win.
Another angle is that there is a decent chance that Indiana is playing for a CFP spot here. After Michigan the Hoosiers visit Ohio State then host Purdue, that is it. They should beat Purdue but I honestly don't see them making the playoffs at 10-2 so, as I see it, they have to either beat Michigan at home or win in Columbus. The easier of the two is this weekend.
History:
The Hoosiers are 10-62 (.139) all-time against the Wolverines. They won a few years ago during Michigan's disastrous Covid year but that is their only win in the last 37 years. The Hoosiers are 1-27 since beating Michigan in 1987. Indiana's only sustained success against the Wolverines came from the mid-50's through the late 60's. From 1954-1967 the Hoosiers were 4-4 against the Wolverines but I'm cherry-picking to come up with Indiana's best and they were still only .500 and the average score of those games was 13-24 in favor of Michigan. This is because Indiana's wins were by 2, 4, 7, and 19 while Michigan's wins were by 14, 22, 23, and 30.
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IMHO their chances of making it at 10-2 heavily depend on HOW they lose, not necessarily that they have to win either game to have a chance.
Two fairly close losses against Michigan and OSU? Probably be safe in a 12-team playoff, although they'd probably be seeded as the 10+ team. Depending on who else is in the mix of course.
Two blowout losses? Toast because they'd rightly be seen as pretenders.
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Indiana 37, Michigan 14
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IMHO their chances of making it at 10-2 heavily depend on HOW they lose, not necessarily that they have to win either game to have a chance.
Two fairly close losses against Michigan and OSU? Probably be safe in a 12-team playoff, although they'd probably be seeded as the 10+ team. Depending on who else is in the mix of course.
Two blowout losses? Toast because they'd rightly be seen as pretenders.
Fair point. I hadn't really thought about that but yeah, if they lose in OT at home to Michigan then lose on a last second FG in Columbus I could definitely see them getting in a 10-2.
Still, this game could EASILY be the difference between hosting a CFP game and having to go somewhere like Neyland to play a CFP game in front of a HOSTILE crowd. That is a big deal too.
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Also depends on if we get an ACC bid stealer. Much like NCAA basketball, after Clemson's loss last week, everyone else needs to be big Miami fans. They seem pretty safe, so they can't lose to an SMU or Louisville in the ACC Championship
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History of Indiana's nickname
In 1833, an Ohio newspaper wrote, "Hooshier has been used in many of the Western States, for several years, to designate . . . an inhabitant of our sister state of Indiana." That indicates the term "Hoosier" may have originated outside the state of Indiana. How? There are numerous theories, but none have been proven. One of the most popular theories is that "Hoosier" derived from cabin owners asking travelers, "Who's here?" The word was also spelled "Hoosher" and "Hooshier" before "Hoosier" became the common spelling.
Eventually, the term became so popularized that it came to be the name for Indiana University's athletic teams. Even the exact origin of the Hoosiers nickname for Indiana athletics is shrouded in mystery. The university's website says it's "difficult to trace" when the school started using the term to describe its students and teams. "The first time that Indiana University claimed the term Hoosiers for themselves even in the context of other Indiana teams was during the 1923 football season, when the team nickname became the Scrapping Hoosiers," the university website says. Since the name was popularized in the 1800s, it's not tough to figure out why it became the official moniker of the school's athletic teams.
IMO Indiana wins a close one,Michigan is good enough up front to take them out of their rythm they've gotten into.Hoosiers haven't faced this stout of a line. Also it appears Warren is coming around and between Edwards and Mullings in the backfield and Loveland it should be enough to keep the Hoosiers honest. Maybe Morgan can come up with a few snags himself.But IU at home should win a close one - at least I hope it is
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(https://i.imgur.com/xNvcGn7.png)
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Also depends on if we get an ACC bid stealer. Much like NCAA basketball, after Clemson's loss last week, everyone else needs to be big Miami fans. They seem pretty safe, so they can't lose to an SMU or Louisville in the ACC Championship
This is a good point as well. In the CFP rankings Miami is #4 and the next highest ACC team is #13 SMU (they are in the ACC?).
If Miami beats SMU, then the Hurricanes are in and that is that. If SMU beats Miami they are both in and that knocks somebody out. That somebody could be a 10-2 Indiana team EVEN if both IU losses are close.
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Indiana could lose to Michigan, beat Ohio ST, and then lose to Oregon in the CCG. Finishes 11-2. That would be good enough even with 2 losses.
I am taking a leap of faith here that somehow Indiana would win a tiebreaker for 2nd place with PSU because Indiana beat Ohio St and PSU lost to OSU.
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I am taking a leap of faith here that somehow Indiana would win a tiebreaker for 2nd place with PSU because Indiana beat Ohio St and PSU lost to OSU.
You are right.
Hypothetical B1G Standings:
- 9-0 Oregon
- 8-1 Indiana (lost to Michigan)
- 8-1 Penn State (lost to Ohio State)
- 7-2 Ohio State (lost to Oregon and Indiana)
The tiebreakers are:
- H2H: Not helpful because they didn't play.
- Record against all common conference opponents: Indiana wins here. Their common conference opponents are Purdue (PSU would win on 11/16, IU two weeks later), UCLA (both already won), Washington (IU already won, PSU would on 11/9), and Ohio State (PSU lost, IU would win on 11/23). Thus, IU would be 4-0 while PSU would be 3-1.
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I'll be attending this game. My only hope is that Michigan's defense can slow down the Hoosiers and maybe score some points. Michigan's offense would lose a shooting match with a good MAC team.
Go Blue!
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must win game for Michigan....
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must win game for Michigan....
I'm genuinely curious why you think this?
Michigan is 5-4/3-3 and their three remaining games in order of most to least likely wins are:
- Home game with Northwestern
- Road game at #8 Indiana
- Road game at #2 Ohio State
As I see it, the Northwestern game is a "must win" because if they lose all three, they don't go bowling. However, the Indiana game (assuming they beat NU and lose to tOSU) is for the difference between 6-6/4-5 and 7-5/5-4. That doesn't seem like *THAT* big of a difference to me. Either way it is a "meh" season.
Just to clarify, I'm not actually assuming that they will lose to tOSU, just for purpose of looking at it from easiest to hardest wins, I see the easiest (NU) as a must win and the other two as "gravy".
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Indiana has been so thoroughly and convincingly strong, game after game, that I am at the point of wondering what it will look like when the Hoosiers presumably lose. It's not that obvious because of how well rounded and effective Indiana is across each position groups. There doesn't seem to be much of an off day for anybody. Should the running committee hit a rut, there's plenty of WRs to step up the passing game. The defense doesn't get fooled. The roster hits the field motivated and usually answers opponents TDs without missing a beat.
A first loss by Indiana will likely play out as getting completely overwhelmed at several angles by a more talented roster that shows up motivated - maybe Vs Ohio State in a few weeks?
The average result of Indiana's 8-0 start is 52-15. 52-15! Some might say Indiana's lighter schedule is to blame, but an attribute of a vastly better team is methodically making their opponents look like a collectively inferior schedule.
edit: The average result of Indiana's 9-0 start is 46-13.
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What if they go 1-1 vs OSU and Michigan, but both the win and the loss are blowouts?
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What if they go 1-1 vs OSU and Michigan, but both the win and the loss are blowouts?
IMHO 11-1, no matter how it happens, and they're in. Even if it's a close win to UM and a blowout loss to OSU.
That includes the [improbable] scenario where they beat both OSU and UM close and then lose to Purdue. Even if it's a blowout loss. The wins they've racked up at 11-1 would be enough to cover a bad loss.
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That includes the [improbable] scenario where they beat both OSU and UM close and then lose to Purdue.
I'd pay to see all three
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IMHO 11-1, no matter how it happens, and they're in. Even if it's a close win to UM and a blowout loss to OSU.
I'd go even further and go back to the beginning of the season and say that if Indiana won 11 games by one point each and got absolutely destroyed by Ohio State, they'd STILL get in at 11-1.
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I'm kinda hopin the Hoosiers go undefeated
especially this weekend
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I'm kinda hopin the Hoosiers go undefeated
especially this weekend
Funny. I'm hoping they go 9-4 with a bowl loss.
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I doubt either of us get our wish
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IMO Indiana wins a close one,Michigan is good enough up front to take them out of their rythm they've gotten into.Hoosiers haven't faced this stout of a line. Also it appears Warren is coming around and between Edwards and Mullings in the backfield and Loveland it should be enough to keep the Hoosiers honest. Maybe Morgan can come up with a few snags himself.But IU at home should win a close one - at least I hope it is
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don't hurt your arm patting yerself on the back
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Hey I didn't mismanage the clock
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Got this from a Buckeye Board
"Warren is hot and cold. Makes some NFL level throws and follows that up with some Bauserman beauties"
Truth,they looked so strong on that TD drive I was thinkin' ruh-roh. That Indiana WR dropped 2 perfectly thrown balls in the 4th qtr that could have kept drives going
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Indianas offense is overrated, but the defense is underrated. Kurtis Rourke is good, but aside from the OL, that offense isnt special. But their DL is elite, and the back seven is good enough
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Indianas offense is overrated, but the defense is underrated. Kurtis Rourke is good, but aside from the OL, that offense isnt special. But their DL is elite, and the back seven is good enough
Try telling Nebraska that Indiana's offense isn't special.
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hey, hey, hey
there's no need for that!
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Michigan is leaving no stone unturned in its pursuit to flip five-star Belleville (Mich.) quarterback Bryce Underwood from his commitment to LSU.
According to a report from CBS Sports, the Wolverines have put together an NIL offer "closer to double" than the $5 million package that was reported by On3 in late October. This indicates that Michigan and its financial boosters may have put together a deal approaching $10 million for the No. 1 overall prospect in the 2025 recruiting class.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPo3WnoyhcI
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As I said at the beginning of the season, Michigan is legit on defense, has stud running backs, and maybe the best TE out there. If they have a serviceable QB- they will hang with anyone.
They now seem to have a serviceable QB. Indiana is a LEGIT TOP 5 team. UM pushed them to the brink on their field. I was impressed- they had no give up in them.
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Michigan had three timeouts remaining when Indiana began a drive from the Wolverines' 42-yard line with 1:35 remaining in the fourth quarter. After an 8-yard gain on a first-down run by Ty Son Lawton, Michigan allowed nearly 30 seconds to tick off the clock before calling a timeout. Although it ultimately didn't matter, as Indiana sealed the game with a first down on the next play following a 4-yard rush by quarterback Kurtis Rourke, the decision was met with scrutiny. Moore was asked about the situation in the postgame press conference.
"Yeah, just talking about conversations of what the play call was going to be, what we were going to do," Moore said. "That's where that all came from."
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just talking about conversations???
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Indian's Memorial stadium is nice. It's a little steeper than Michigan Stadium so you still have a good look in seats in lower numbered rows. I wish that they had handrails going up the center of the isles for old people and people with crappy knees like me.
Michigan's defense played well especially in the second half. However, offensive play calling was making me pull my hair out. They'd drive down the field with Warren, get inside the 10, and then put Orji in? Cost points every time they did that. Going for two late in the game and they go with an empty backfield? That's like holding up a big fat sign saying "We're gonna pass the ball." Indiana also figured out that when Warren scrambles to the left he passes for shit unlike to the right were he's pretty accurate. It felt like Indiana was trying to move him out of the pocket to the left. Michigan needs to blast the OC out of Ann Arbor with a circus cannon. Michigan is back to being a basketball school for the next couple years. There is no magic bullet to fix the offense anytime soon.
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Michigan's defense played well especially in the second half. However, offensive play calling was making me pull my hair out. They'd drive down the field with Warren, get inside the 10, and then put Orji in? Cost points every time they did that. Going for two late in the game and they go with an empty backfield? That's like holding up a big fat sign saying "We're gonna pass the ball." Indiana also figured out that when Warren scrambles to the left he passes for shit unlike to the right were he's pretty accurate. It felt like Indiana was trying to move him out of the pocket to the left. Michigan needs to blast the OC out of Ann Arbor with a circus cannon. Michigan is back to being a basketball school for the next couple years. There is no magic bullet to fix the offense anytime soon.
Exactly all of this. You don't like putting Orji in and running up the middle over and over again? 8 of 10 times he gets a yard or 2, 1 out of 10 times he gets 5-6 times and 1 out of 10 times he fumbles. 10 out of 10 times Michigan's offense is the most predictable horrible offense i've seen in AA and that includes the Nick Sheridan offense.