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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on October 29, 2024, 08:20:33 AM
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It's the Big Noon game on Fox with Joel and Gus. The Buckeyes are favored by 3.5 points. Penn State is starting a newish QB and the Buckeyes' OL is hurting. I wish it was a night white out but still thinking the Lions get the win.
Ohio State 24
Penn State 31
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There were others knocked out in Madison Saturday. PSU's best DE and their best RB.
Are they playing?
(Don't like seeing injuries, but glad to see the Badgers are back to playing tough and physical. Been missing for a long while.)
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Injury discussion for the game:
https://www.ydr.com/story/sports/college/penn-state/football/2024/10/28/penn-state-football-injury-update-breakdown-vs-ohio-state/75900970007/ (https://www.ydr.com/story/sports/college/penn-state/football/2024/10/28/penn-state-football-injury-update-breakdown-vs-ohio-state/75900970007/)
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James Franklin in a big game vs Ohio State or Michigan? Yeah, give me Ohio State or Michigan 9/10 times.
I have zero faith in James Franklin. Ohio State pulls out a close one.
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1851328166931157076
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I'm concerned about the OLine. PSU can just crash the middle the whole time, OSU won't have any room to run or any time to throw.
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UNL's d-line is good, but probably not as good as PSU\
gonna be tough for tOSU to run the ball
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I have zero faith in OSU's lines. PSU in a route.
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I have zero faith in OSU's lines. PSU in a route.
I have quite a bit of faith in their D-Line. But, if they are on the field all day because the the O-Line can’t create run lanes or protect the QB, they too will eventually tire.
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We'll see what the line looks like. I don't think OSU even knows who will start yet.
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It does feel like Franklin should be aware of JTT's name
https://twitter.com/Buckeye_Mob/status/1851003611095966036
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It does feel like Franklin should be aware of JTT's name
https://twitter.com/Buckeye_Mob/status/1851003611095966036
yeah no shit, kid played one of the most epic single games I've ever seen a DL play in college. still living off that game and his HS stars. hasn't really lived up to it since or become the player I thought he would.
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yeah no shit, kid played one of the most epic single games I've ever seen a DL play in college. still living off that game and his HS stars. hasn't really lived up to it since or become the player I thought he would.
At the time I really thought/hoped that it was a "breakout" game and we'd see more of the same from JTT going forward.
I think you are overstating it here but I do agree with you to an extent. He is a decent DL, but nothing like what he flashed in that game.
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I have zero faith in OSU's lines. PSU in a route.
If the Lions get out to an early lead and the crowd gets involved Franklin could have his way with tOSU. Hopefully Howard can keep them on their heels as someone should be getting open
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1851328166931157076
You LOVE to throw this "Ryan Day is 2-6 against top-5 teams" stat out there but I think it is misleading at best for at least three reasons:
First, is 2-6 against top-5 teams really all that bad? The reality is that top-5 teams don't lose very often, that is why they are top-5 teams. Beyond that, this 2-6 is THAT far below .500. Lets look at the tape:
- 2019, L 29-23 to #3 Clemson in CFP semi-final. A couple thoughts: First, the fact that they got to the CFP semi-final needs to viewed as an accomplishment and getting there involved beating #25 MSU (by 24 points), #13 UW (by 31 points), #8 PSU (by 11), #13 M (by 29), and #8 UW (by 13). Second, this was an incredibly close game decided by an INT in the EZ with just seconds to go. Also, there are a LOT of calls in this game that tOSU fans are still stewing over.
- 2020: W 49-28 over #2 Clemson in CFP semi-final. Absolute blowout.
- 2020: L 52-24 to #1 Bama in CFP CG. Well, Bama was that year's NC. This was a phenomenal team and well that just happens.
- 2021: L 42-27 to #5 M. This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down.
- 2022: W 21-10 over #5 ND.
- 2022: L 45-23 to #3 M. This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down.
- 2022: L 42-42 to #1 Georgia. They were that year's NC and absolutely obliterated TCU in the CG. Also, this was an incredibly close game that came down to a missed FG as time expired.
- 2023: L 30-24 to #3 M. This win will be vacated once the NCAA penalties for Michigan's flagrant cheating over the last three years come down.
- 2024: L 32-31 to #3 Oregon. This was an incredibly close game that came down to literally the last second.
For starters, I'm seeing 2-7 which is actually worse than the 2-6 you are throwing around.
That said, the two wins were a blowout and a solid 11-point win while three of the seven losses were by a combined total of 8 points and all three games came down to the last few seconds. Then there are the three losses that will be vacated. There is only one bad loss and that was to a team that might be the best in the history of CFB.
Secondly, three of the losses were to a team that was flagrantly cheating.
Thirdly, one thing that Ryan Day gets FAR too little credit for is NEVER losing to bad teams. In his 5-1/2 years so far here are all of his teams' losses:
- To #3 Clemson in CFP Semi-final.
- To #1 Bama in CFP CG.
- To #12 Oregon.
- To #5 Michigan*.
- To #3 Michigan*.
- To #1 Georgia.
- To #3 Michigan*.
- To #9 Mizzou.
- To #3 Oregon.
Teams in bold were that year's NC. *indicates a team was flagrantly cheating at the time and will vacate the win.
That #12 2020 Oregon team is the only non-top-10 team Ryan Day's Buckeyes have EVER lost to. Most people take this for granted because a team "should" beat the bad teams but Urban didn't. Tressel didn't. Woody didn't. It also goes well beyond Ohio State. Ask Pete Carrol how many NC's he lost due to losing to crap teams.
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I hear you Medina.
His record against ranked teams and top ten teams is quite good.
And they were a little snake bit against Clemson, Georgia and Oregon as far as officiating.
But he would tell you ( and he has said this himself repeatedly) if you have to rely on officiating- then you failed. You need to leave no doubt.
So- as good as he has been- he owns the shitty record against top 5 teams.
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At the time I really thought/hoped that it was a "breakout" game and we'd see more of the same from JTT going forward.
I think you are overstating it here but I do agree with you to an extent. He is a decent DL, but nothing like what he flashed in that game.
I don't think I'm overstating it. He was a 5* high profile recruit, and he went absolutely nuts vs Penn State in his true soph year. I thought for sure that was his breakout game and he was going to spring board into Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Chase Young territory. Never happened. Was not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player. He just isn't what I thought he was going to be considering his recruiting profile. Really thought he was going to be a Bosa bro/Chase Young level edge rusher impact player top 5-10 overall pick.
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I wouldn't call 2-6 shitty
average maybe
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You LOVE to throw this "Ryan Day is 2-6 against top-5 teams" stat out there but I think it is misleading at best for at least three reasons:
not really. I just posted a meme that I thought was funny. I picked Ohio State to win this game because: James Franklin will find a way someway somehow to blow it. It's just what he does.
Btw I've said repeatedly Ryan Day is a great coach who wins almost 90% of his games- which is an insane win rate- and Ohio State would be crazy to move on from him. You fire him who you going to get that's better? There is no Urbz or Saint Nick out there that is a sure fire thing.
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Yeah, 2-6 (or 2-7 against top-5) isn't at all bad against top-3 teams (even those that were cheating).
Also, winning the games you are supposed to win is very much underrated.
Happy Vally is a tough place to play. I agree that if PSU get up two scores early, that could really start to snowball. On the other hand, PSU doesn't feel all that explosive, so this feels much more likely to be a grinding kind of a game with an amped crowd. Should be really fun. These were the games PSU joined the conference (and was added) for.
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I don't think I'm overstating it. He was a 5* high profile recruit, and he went absolutely nuts vs Penn State in his true soph year. I thought for sure that was his breakout game and he was going to spring board into Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Chase Young territory. Never happened. Was not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player. He just isn't what I thought he was going to be considering his recruiting profile. Really thought he was going to be a Bosa bro/Chase Young level edge rusher impact player top 5-10 overall pick.
This I agree with. In your earlier post I didn't know if you were saying this or basically "he sucks" so my comment was to push back if you WERE saying he sucked because he doesn't suck. I do agree, however that he hasn't materialized into what I expected, especially after the MONSTER performance against PSU.
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Penn State 24, Ohio State 20
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- 2020: L 52-24 to #1 Bama in CFP CG. Well, Bama was that year's NC. This was a phenomenal team and well that just happens.
This was also Covid year where OSU tested and was only able to suit up 53 players. 'bama refused to test and suited up 103. Kevin Warren/Covid made sure this game was over before the players even took the field.
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This was also Covid year where OSU tested and was only able to suit up 53 players. 'bama refused to test and suited up 103. Kevin Warren/Covid made sure this game was over before the players even took the field.
I honestly don't think the number of players would have mattered at all. That Bama team doesn't get the credit they should because it was overshadowed by the weird COVID protocols and whatnot but that team has a pretty strong argument for GOAT.
Due to COVID they played 10 SEC Regular Season games, the SECCG, and two CFP games. No FCS patsies. They outscored THAT slate 630-252. That Ohio State team was pretty good and dominated Clemson in the CFP Semi-Final which was nice (after years of struggles against Clemson) but I just don't think they were on Bama's level.
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Maybe not, but we will never know.
And, I think a lot of people give 'bama props for being good. I'm not hearing enough people shit on Kevin Warren for being @ss bad.
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- 2019, L 29-23 to #3 Clemson in CFP semi-final. A couple thoughts: First, the fact that they got to the CFP semi-final needs to viewed as an accomplishment and getting there involved beating #25 MSU (by 24 points), #13 UW (by 31 points), #8 PSU (by 11), #13 M (by 29), and #8 UW (by 13). Second, this was an incredibly close game decided by an INT in the EZ with just seconds to go. Also, there are a LOT of calls in this game that tOSU fans are still stewing over.
I still have PTST over those 6 steps and a football move that got ruled an incomplete pass.
As well as the wrap up form tackle that got called targeting because Lawrence's ribs were hurt during the play.
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I still have PTST over those 6 steps and a football move that got ruled an incomplete pass.
As well as the wrap up form tackle that got called targeting because Lawrence's ribs were hurt during the play.
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Jesus that ref should have been hog tied,slathered in peanut butter and dropped on a red ant colony.He should have been fined and fired,it's the worst call affecting the outcome of a CFB Play Off Game I can recall. That said I'm not sure we'd beat LSU and Jeaux Bureaux.Gun to my head I'd take them straight up,but still.....
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I honestly don't think the number of players would have mattered at all. That Bama team doesn't get the credit they should because it was overshadowed by the weird COVID protocols and whatnot but that team has a pretty strong argument for GOAT.
Due to COVID they played 10 SEC Regular Season games, the SECCG, and two CFP games. No FCS patsies. They outscored THAT slate 630-252. That Ohio State team was pretty good and dominated Clemson in the CFP Semi-Final which was nice (after years of struggles against Clemson) but I just don't think they were on Bama's level.
Agree. Wouldn’t have mattered. But we were snake bit in that game too. 2 starting d-line ruled for Covid, and then our best RB- Sermon- injured and knocked out of the game on like the first play from scrimmage.
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Btw I've said repeatedly Ryan Day is a great coach who wins almost 90% of his games- which is an insane win rate- and Ohio State would be crazy to move on from him. You fire him who you going to get that's better? There is no Urbz or Saint Nick out there that is a sure fire thing.
Only thing saved his bacon this season was NIL,most coaches at blue bloods get that now.He hasn't procured well on either side of the trenches even LBs have been,meh since URBZ recruits cycled out.He's a very good OC with someone solid above taking the heat,hearing the same arguments that kept Tennessee John here.One more loss this year I'd ask for a paycut as he's been over comensated obviously.
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I watched the Nerds, they like Ohio State. I hope they are right but I'm having trouble seeing it.
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I watched the Nerds, they like Ohio State. I hope they are right but I'm having trouble seeing it.
Conference road games are HARD to win, even when you have the better team. And I don’t think OSU has the better team right now.
for all their depth, the one place they don’t have it is on the offensive line- especially at LT.
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Conference road games are HARD to win, even when you have the better team. And I don’t think OSU has the better team right now.
for all their depth, the one place they don’t have it is on the offensive line- especially at LT.
Yeah, funny thing about depth:
Having half a dozen plug-and-play WR's doesn't really help when you need an LT.
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Booger's boys were good possession receivers last season - they hung onto the rock not burners.And very seldom did JJ's uni get dirty unless he took off running - turns out LINE PLAY is important. I love the quote from North Dallas Forty the QB(Mac Davis) told the WR(Nick Nolte) "you may keep my name in the sports page but they keep me out of the obituary"
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I have zero faith in OSU's lines. PSU in a route.
I will eat some humble pie here.
No way did I think OSU's defensive line could stop PSU on 1st and goal at the 3 for 4 straight plays, and yet they did.
No way did I think OSU's O-line could man up for 5 straight rushing first downs to end the game, and yet they did.
I know I'm usually Nancy Downer when it comes to OSU, but I don't think anyone thought spotting PSU 10 points to start the game would end well for the Bucks.
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I don't think anyone thought spotting PSU 10 points to start the game would end well for the Bucks.
When it was 10-0 I'd have settled for a close loss. I was really worried that would snowball.
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I will eat some humble pie here.
You,me and 70% of tOSU Faithful,Give Chip Kelly credit on the play calls. Also the run up the middle for chunks from the 1 yard line to end the game. Damn did not see that coming. We did not throw once on the last drive and imposed our will when Penn State defense is selling out for the run. OLine is the biggest surprise of this game and played beyond anyone's expectations. So we'll take it for a week
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And Tyleik Williams was not in the game for that goal line stand
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James Franklin in a big game vs Ohio State or Michigan? Yeah, give me Ohio State or Michigan 9/10 times.
I have zero faith in James Franklin. Ohio State pulls out a close one.
Called it.
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A few tough close calls tOSU pick that lookeed like 6 for the ninnies.Howard running it in and getting the rock knocked out for a touch back just a few
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https://twitter.com/_Schuber/status/1852792584634085820
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WTH - I really don't get it - bizarre/weird/peculiar
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He's done
https://twitter.com/bigsengtweets/status/1852796364582732117
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He's done
https://twitter.com/bigsengtweets/status/1852796364582732117
But what if the Lions run the table, make the P.O.s then win in a rematch,ask LSU if that's possible.Well not Kelly but you know what I mean
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Hasn't he jawed with fans before?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfquk_yyprE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjn6tua0zHg
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Even with the loss, Penn State is in a very good position with regards to the playoffs. They do still have some tricky games against Washington and Minnesota left, but if they do win out, they have a great shot to get the #5 seed in the playoffs. That is a great spot, because you get to host #12 and then should you win that, you get to play the weakest conference champ.
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There's going to be a lot of competition for that 5 seed, including one of OSU and Oregon.
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and about 3 teams from the SEC SEC SEC
I'm guessing it goes to an SEC team
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He's done
https://twitter.com/bigsengtweets/status/1852796364582732117
I honestly don't think so. @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) likes to throw out his stats against tOSU/M and obviously jawing with fans is ill-advised at best but you can understand his frustration.
The record against tOSU/M is ugly no doubt but it isn't like those teams that he's lost to have been chopped liver. Now in his 11th year at PSU he is:
- 1-10 vs tOSU
- 3-7 vs Michigan
- 4-17 total vs tOSU/M
Yeah, that isn't good but who has beaten tOSU/M in those seasons?
His seasons:
2014:
- 7-6 with a bowl win
- Lost to eventual NC tOSU by a TD
- Lost at Michigan (Wolverines finished 5-7)
2015:
- 7-6 with a bowl loss (so a game better regular season, tougher bowl, lost to UGA)
- Lost badly on the road to a tOSU team that finished 12-1
- Lost at home to a Michigan team that finished 10-3
2016:
- 11-3 with a B1GCG win and a Rose Bowl loss
- WON at home over tOSU (crazy plays to get there but he did), Ohio State finished 11-2 and the other loss was in the CFP.
- Lost BADLY at Michigan to a team that finished 10-3.
2017:
- 11-2 with a Fiesta Bowl win
- WON at home over Michigan BIGLY!
- Lost on the road to Ohio State by one point, Ohio State finished 12-2.
2018:
- 9-4 with a bowl loss.
- Lost at home by one point to an Ohio State team that finished 13-1.
- Lost BADLY at Michigan to a team that finished 10-3.
2019:
- 11-2 with a Cotton Bowl win!
- Lost at Ohio State to a team that finished 13-1
- WON vs Michigan against a team that finished 9-4.
2020:
- 4-5 catastrophe of a season
- Lost at home to Ohio State (but tOSU made it to the NCG)
- WON at Michigan!
2021:
- 7-6 with a bowl loss
- Lost at Ohio State
- Lost vs Michigan but only by 4 to a team that was cheating on an industrial scale and went to the CFP
2022:
- 11-2 with a Rose Bowl win!
- Lost badly at Michigan but to a team that was cheating on an industrial scale and went to the CFP
- Lost to Ohio State but only by a TD against a team that finished 11-2 with a CFP appearance
2023:
- 10-3 with a bowl loss.
- Lost reasonably competitive games in Columbus and vs Michigan
2024:
- 7-1 so far
- Lost by a TD at home to an Ohio State team that is #3
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They don't even want to play OSU and Michigan anymore. They seem content being a step beneath.