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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: utee94 on October 28, 2024, 02:52:32 PM
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Remaining games against Gators, Rebels, Vols, Minutemen, and Yellowjackets.
I predict a fairly easy 5-0.
What say you, SEC message board denizens?
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No chance. Well, a small chance.
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The cocktail party can get weird, but it seems less so since UGA has been legit NC material and Florida has been, well, bad. But if Dawgs falter, the Gators are the obvious suspects. Tennessee has to go to uga, I think, and that doesn't usually work out for them.
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I have bet CD one coke of his choice, that Georgia will beat Ole Miss. He hasn't accepted yet, because he's chicken and can't afford a coke.
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Bawk bawk bawk.
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I keep hearing that defense travels. That's good for Tennessee at UGA.
Georgia's defense is always their bread and butter. Now it's UT's as well.
Nico has struggled. So has the grossly overrated Carson Beck.
So, who can run the ball in Athens on 11/16? Who can run it better will win.
I foresee an SEC throwback to the 80's. Run the ball, play defense, and don't turn it over.
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Remaining games against Gators, Rebels, Vols, Minutemen, and Yellowjackets.
I predict a fairly easy 5-0.
What say you, SEC message board denizens?
Dogs 45-15 over UF
Dogs 33-21 over OM
Dogs A lot, MM 6
Dogs 28 YJ 17
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Dawgs could lose to Florida, Tennessee, AND Ole Miss.
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Dogs lose to Texas in the rematch :93:
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I think IF there was a rematch, Texas would have a different scheme. UGA might compensate. We could see Texas with a 21-3 half time lead etc.
UGA is starting to get healthy, one of their very good OLs should be back, and the defense is still missing a couple guys who were impact players. I'm curious about Beck, he has looked mediocre this season, it could be just the loss of McConkey and Bowers. I wouldn't think that loss would be this important.
Their ability to run the ball has been ... sporadic.
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Said game would heavily depend on whether Ewers gets his groove back or not. Texas is a hard team to beat when he trusts his reads and his receivers. When he doesn't, as UGA showed, they can be stopped.
I know, I know..... The Longhorn thread is over there -------> ....
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Longhorn fans always try to make it about themselves!
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Speaking of Georgia football , in the past.... I recently reviewed the first half of the 2019 SECCG with UGA and LSU. Though I've never rewatched the 2011 version, I recall 2 or 3 plays early on where UGA dropped some great passes where the defender was beat that would've been big gains or maybe TDs. What I didn't remember was the same thing happened in 2019 early in the game. In both cases LSU lucked out on avoiding some early haymakers while the defense found their footing. Both those games may have gone differently if those early bombs were caught. Can't say if they would've won or not, but they'd certainly have been different.
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Texas won't want to show their hand with everything they know - in the 2nd of 3 games against UGA.
Don't even know what the SEC Championship trophy looks like. I'm sure it's pretty. Other than that, the SECCG is only for seeding for the big prize at the end.
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I used to think winning the SEC was THE goal of a season, and I liked it like that. Winning, or being crowned, NC, required luck. Sometimes the SEC crown was shared, and that was OK too.
(https://i.imgur.com/q6JAsiH.png)
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Yeah I actually still value the conference titles. But clearly the rest of the world is turning sharply in another direction. It's likely I'll just completely fall off once the turn is sharp enough.
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Ole Miss doesn't know what the SEC championship trophy looks like either.
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I used to think winning the SEC was THE goal of a season, and I liked it like that. Winning, or being crowned, NC, required luck. Sometimes the SEC crown was shared, and that was OK too.
[img width=273.714 height=333]https://i.imgur.com/q6JAsiH.png[/img]
I like that UGA's confetti is purple and gold.
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I think WE are getting old.
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Silly season: Here's how No. 2 Georgia can finish 11-1 and not reach the SEC Championship Game - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/silly-season-heres-how-no-2-georgia-can-finish-11-1-and-not-reach-the-sec-championship-game/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGOPMVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVzH8fYxT2CTBzkv0LMcrcbZZxfFWWGk3_8uykrieONsu7NqpIgQ7K7tdw_aem_Y2kUPhXrWzdZ06nm04tvhA)
UGA in theory could be the Number One ranked team in the polls and not be a 1-4 seed in the playoffs. That would get tongues wagging.
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Indeed it would
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I used to think winning the SEC was THE goal of a season, and I liked it like that. Winning, or being crowned, NC, required luck. Sometimes the SEC crown was shared, and that was OK too.
Same thing with OU and the Big 8. Win the conference, go to the Orange Bowl, beat Texas along the way and maybe have a shot at winning the MNC.
I imagine that Texas fans felt that way too. Win the SWC, go to the Cotton Bowl, beat OU along the way . . . .
And Michigan and Ohio State fans: beat the rival school in the process of winning the Big Ten, go to the Rose Bowl . . . .
I said over a decade ago that a playoff would reduce interest in the regular season. In the sense that winning the conference is now less important, it certainly has.
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Same thing with OU and the Big 8. Win the conference, go to the Orange Bowl, beat Texas along the way and maybe have a shot at winning the MNC.
I imagine that Texas fans felt that way too. Win the SWC, go to the Cotton Bowl, beat OU along the way . . . .
And Michigan and Ohio State fans: beat the rival school in the process of winning the Big Ten, go to the Rose Bowl . . . .
I said over a decade ago that a playoff would reduce interest in the regular season. In the sense that winning the conference is now less important, it certainly has.
100% agree. Those were the goals. And college football was more fun back then.
Also agree with your final statement overall, but with one caveat-- I do like that the playoff makes more games toward the end of the season relevant for the NC picture. Historically, by about halfway through the season we knew that all but maybe 5-6 teams were already eliminated from the NC picture. Now, a LOT more schools will still have a chance, all the way through to the final games of the season. So, while earlier games are less meaningful, and games in general have less individual meaning, the later games are now MORE meaningful, with respect to post-season NC chances.
Is it enough to outweigh the dilution of the regular season? Not for me. But, here we are.
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Same thing with OU and the Big 8. Win the conference, go to the Orange Bowl, beat Texas along the way and maybe have a shot at winning the MNC.
I imagine that Texas fans felt that way too. Win the SWC, go to the Cotton Bowl, beat OU along the way . . . .
And Michigan and Ohio State fans: beat the rival school in the process of winning the Big Ten, go to the Rose Bowl . . . .
I said over a decade ago that a playoff would reduce interest in the regular season. In the sense that winning the conference is now less important, it certainly has.
The major problem with that formula is that it really only works for those of you in the Blue Blood category, so that even if you have a uh-oh along the way, you can still get in, like the 2003 Big 12 CCG when OU lost to KSU, but still played for the MNC, whereas when K-State lost to a very good A&M team in the Big 12 CCG, they were out of the picture. Or the numerous times when Alabama/Georgia lost, but made the playoffs. Or when LSU had two losses and still made it. At least under the new system, Johnny Come Lately can still make it in.
And yes, I do agree that it will pretty much be more of the same Alabama/OU/Georgia/Ohio State winning it, but they'll have to do it on the field.
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Really, you gotta do it one way or the other.
When we didn't have anything "playoff-ish" like the BCS or some such, winning your conference was the prize. Win your conference, get a good bowl, play during the holidays! The glory was, fans could then argue forever about "who really was #1" at the end. You could debate schedule strength, close losses, bowl pairings, etc. Argument fodder.
Conversely, you can do it with a 12 team playoff. Losing a game doesn't kill you. Losing your conference championship (now that conferences can't be settled round-robin) game doesn't end it. Schedule a tough team. Glory is yours if you win it. If not, its not fatal.
The previous iterations rewarded undefeated seasons and only served to contribute to the dumbing down of football.
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Really, you gotta do it one way or the other.
When we didn't have anything "playoff-ish" like the BCS or some such, winning your conference was the prize. Win your conference, get a good bowl, play during the holidays! The glory was, fans could then argue forever about "who really was #1" at the end. You could debate schedule strength, close losses, bowl pairings, etc. Argument fodder.
Conversely, you can do it with a 12 team playoff. Losing a game doesn't kill you. Losing your conference championship (now that conferences can't be settled round-robin) game doesn't end it. Schedule a tough team. Glory is yours if you win it. If not, its not fatal.
The previous iterations rewarded undefeated seasons and only served to contribute to the dumbing down of football.
2004 Auburn says hello.
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As a Dawg fan "back in the day", I mean 60s etc, making a bowl game was a good year. Way to go! Making a major bowl was a very good year, and winning one was icing. About the top finishes were #4, a top ten finish was terrific, being #1 was basically not in the cards. That went to OSU Texas ND Nebraska et al. If you happened to upset Alabama, that was a good year.
Now of course anything short of an NC is a terrible year, fire the coach, pull your hair out, etc., last year is a good example.
Is it more "fun" now? In a way it is, in a way too stressful. Then add in NIL and portaling and it starts to ... dim. I dunno, I still pay attention obviously.
I have no clue why it means anything, I guess because it doesn't..
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I'm guessing Carson Beck is getting all the blame for UGAs loss to Ole Miss, a rare second loss of the season? The worst being his 11 interceptions so far this season.
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In Beck's defense Georgia's running game is the least effective in quite some time, ranked 3rd last in the SEC going into yesterday's games. TE Bowers leaving has left a hole in the passing game, which seems lacking in star WRs to begin with. And the defense, still top notch, has had uncharacteristic 'off-days' about once a month.
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Yeah, they are simply missing some critical parts they had in the past three years. And fans are apopletic and do blame Beck and his girlfriend.
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Shoulda taken me up on that bet, at least you'd have a coke now...
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Yeah, they are simply missing some critical parts they had in the past three years. And fans are apopletic and do blame Beck and his girlfriend.
well why the hell did they have to find them when they played us
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If Ewers had been Dr. Jekyll and not Mr. Hyde in that game, UGA would've lost it too.
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The biggest victim of the old system had to have been Penn State or Auburn. Undefeated and unrewarded seasons in '68, '69, '73, and '94 for the Lions, and the same for AU in 2004, plus probationary 1993 as well as being leapfrogged in 1983, despite being the highest-ranked team to win their bowl and having face the nation's toughest schedule.
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Penn State may have been viewed as a 'less than' in the late 60s (or not, idk), but they had the Heisman winner in '73, just the bad luck of nearly every helmet program having an undefeated regular season (with undefeated OSU and UM tying). But 1994 made no sense. To this day, I consider them a split NC with Nebraska.
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Auburn in 04 just had the bad luck of being 1 of 3 undefeated teams, plus USC blowing out OU, plus having a ho-hum win over VT itself. The 1993 team was never seriously considered for the NC, because it wasn't FSU or ND. 1983 was a farce. Miami lost it's first game and Auburn lost its second, so both were on long win streaks. Yes, Miami slayed Goliath Nebraska, but Auburn closed its season with wins over #4, #5, #7, #18, and #9. Consecutively.
There's no rational argument for Auburn not being the 1983 NC, at least not behind Miami.
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The biggest victim of the old system had to have been Penn State or Auburn. Undefeated and unrewarded seasons in '68, '69, '73, and '94 for the Lions, and the same for AU in 2004, plus probationary 1993 as well as being leapfrogged in 1983, despite being the highest-ranked team to win their bowl and having face the nation's toughest schedule.
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Penn State may have been viewed as a 'less than' in the late 60s (or not, idk), but they had the Heisman winner in '73, just the bad luck of nearly every helmet program having an undefeated regular season (with undefeated OSU and UM tying). But 1994 made no sense. To this day, I consider them a split NC with Nebraska.
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Auburn in 04 just had the bad luck of being 1 of 3 undefeated teams, plus USC blowing out OU, plus having a ho-hum win over VT itself. The 1993 team was never seriously considered for the NC, because it wasn't FSU or ND. 1983 was a farce. Miami lost it's first game and Auburn lost its second, so both were on long win streaks. Yes, Miami slayed Goliath Nebraska, but Auburn closed its season with wins over #4, #5, #7, #18, and #9. Consecutively.
There's no rational argument for Auburn not being the 1983 NC, at least not behind Miami.
I dont agree with you on Penn St 1969
Jo Pa turned down a chance to play Texas in the Cotton Bowl that year for the NC
so UT played Notre Dame for the NC instead
They ducked us
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I dont agree with you on Penn St 1969
Jo Pa turned down a chance to play Texas in the Cotton Bowl that year for the NC
so UT played Notre Dame for the NC instead
They ducked us
It's weird that they wanted all their players to be allowed to stay at the same hotel, huh?
They ducked racism, friend.
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It's weird that they wanted all their players to be allowed to stay at the same hotel, huh?
They ducked racism, friend.
nope racism was not the reason
The players wanted to play in the Orange Bowl more then the Cotton Bowl and a possible NC
If you know differently please post the source
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It's weird that they wanted all their players to be allowed to stay at the same hotel, huh?
They ducked racism, friend.
Lulz bullshit.
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Lulz bullshit.
What was really interesting is the fact that Jo Pa's main complaint was that the President declared UT number one instead of allowing the matter to be decided by the polls but when they were extended an invite to play UT for the NC they turned it down
amazing
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UGA fans on SM are ... fanatical, and wanting to blame someone, a lot of someone's. I think it's just a team with holes than is not as good as the past three years. That would be a simple explanation. I don't think any position is as good as last year, maybe the LBs when healthy are comparable. The OL was thought to be a strength but has shown to be leaky, one injury has a part in that. But every team has injuries, some have a lot.
This team is still in the pretty good range I think and are favored at home against Tennessee. They might go 10-2, which is what I expected preseason, and make the playoff.
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What was really interesting is the fact that Jo Pa's main complaint was that the President declared UT number one instead of allowing the matter to be decided by the polls but when they were extended an invite to play UT for the NC they turned it down
amazing
I liked Royal's response which was something along the lines of:
"I don't know why he's campaigning for a national championship on a soapbox in Pennsylvania when he could have played for it on the field in Dallas."
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So, what about Texas this season?
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I liked Royal's response which was something along the lines of:
"I don't know why he's campaigning for a national championship on a soapbox in Pennsylvania when he could have played for it on the field in Dallas."
exactly
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Did Dallas still have segregated hotels in 1969? If not, that would end the debate.
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Did Dallas still have segregated hotels in 1969? If not, that would end the debate.
There is no debate. Just bullshit dragged up from over 50 years ago.
Paterno let his team vote, they voted not to try to play for the national championship. It's been settled for longer than I've been alive.
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There is no debate. Just bullshit dragged up from over 50 years ago.
Paterno let his team vote, they voted not to try to play for the national championship. It's been settled for longer than I've been alive.
I lived it. Thats exactly what happened
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In order to beat Notre Dame The Horns had to make 2 long drives moving the ball by mostly rushing plays. The next day Jo Pa stated that Texas would not have been able to make 70 yard drives on the ground twicw on Penn St. That even pissed everyone off more.
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Anyway, let's go talk some Georgia football on the Longhorn football thread!
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Talk is cheap. UGA is rather flawed, I think they may beat Tenn this Saturday depending on the usual. It won't be a blowout, I expect.
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All teams are "flawed" in one way or another, but I'll agree that this year's Georgia team doesn't seem to be quite up to the same standard as the past few years. They're still a very good football team that is completely capable of winning the SEC and the national championship.
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There is no debate. Just bullshit dragged up from over 50 years ago.
Paterno let his team vote, they voted not to try to play for the national championship. It's been settled for longer than I've been alive.
That's how I remember it too. I believed that Penn State chickened out.
But were Dallas hotels segregated?
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https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/books/2024/07/13/how-don-meredith-helped-keep-cowboys-together-amid-segregation-strife/
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Look at that! Just another of the many reasons to love the Dallas Cowboys! Thanks for posting that uplifting article about the desegregation of the NFL, and Dallas, in the early and mid 1960s!
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Unfortunately, Dallas also desegregated Kennedy from Lee Harvey Oswald in the 60's. If only they had segregated them a little better.
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Nobody has scored 20 points on UT this season... will oohga?
Lotta chatter about iamaliava being in concussion protocol.. and may not play... I believe Moore is every bit as good as Nico. My main concern is Sampson's health. He's a handful of a smallish runner, even for mighty jawja.
I figure a nail biter, which means one team is going to blow out the other, as in most cases I call for a tight game... and as much as I love my team, I don't see them lighting up Georgia at home... but I will say this: if it could happen it's currently about the best condition for it to happen that could be expected.
UT wins this one, fellas... 31-17. Not really, but really. Not. If UT can play in concert as they did earlier this season it may be the Bama/UGA game all over again, except UT doesn't let UGA climb back.
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Put my down for $20 on a 0-0 halftime score. Then $20 on the teams covering whatever the over is by the end of the game. lol
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Lulz bullshit.
https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/
Dallas ISD planned desegregation as a “stair-step” plan, integrating one grade each year. (https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)
That first year in 1961 involved only 18 Black children across eight formerly all-white elementary schools. By 1964, only 131 of the 9,400 Black students in Dallas ISD were in desegregated classrooms. Despite mounting federal pressure to move quickly, only 57 of 177 campuses were integrated by the time 1970 came along.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/) (https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Still, Dallas ISD declared itself desegregated in 1967. uhh, what?
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Tasby sought to overhaul this ambling, leisurely desegregation process. After securing legal assistance, Tasby sued new Dallas ISD superintendent Nolan Estes for continuing to operate a dual school system.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)This 1971 case, Tasby v. Estes, led to Judge William M. Taylor declaring that Dallas ISD still ran a segregated system. However, it wasn’t truly resolved until a decade later. so 1981 then?
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Each of Taylor’s court-ordered desegregation plans were struck down by the Fifth Circuit. The court proceedings were complicated, and at one point, they reached the Supreme Court. Eventually, it was transferred over to Judge Barefoot Sanders only in Texas in hopes of creating a plan that survived an appeal.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)The most controversial aspect of the plan was busing. During the 1970s, Dallas ISD attempted to integrate schools by busing Black students into historically white schools. Black students felt unwelcome in their new schools, which were often far away from their neighborhoods.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)At the same time, the district suffered from “white flight” as white Dallasites fled Dallas ISD for private schools or suburban districts.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)After the Fifth Circuit upheld Sanders’ desegregation plan, Dallas ISD finally was able to start the process of desegregation sans busing and set up a system that still exists today. To create this plan, the court worked with a tri-ethnic committee to monitor Dallas ISD’s progress.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)They employed the use of special programs to improve schools in Black neighborhoods, so Black students didn’t have to be bused long distances to get quality education.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Dallas ISD converted previously all-Black schools to magnet schools to improve education in those areas, but also to attract white students for further integration. They built other new and integrated schools. Sanders ordered Dallas ISD to change attendance zones for schools and employ a diverse faculty.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Dallas ISD was under court supervision for the entire period of time they underwent the desegregation process. Sanders didn’t declare the district to be officially desegregated until 2003.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)***
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)Around the same time Tasby started fighting for desegregation, activists in Fair Park were fighting for their homes. After complaints from State Fair visitors about surrounding neighborhoods, the city of Dallas claimed they needed extra parking as a pretense for demolishing Black homes and increasing fair attendance.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)The residents of the Fair Park area partnered with white members of the University Park United Methodist Church to form the Fair Park Block Partnership. Peter Johnson of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, a civil rights group, helped them protest against the demolition, prompting criticism from first Black city councilman and Committee of 14 alum George Allen about his methods.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)“I look with disfavor on an outsider coming in here…organizing a boycott,” Allen said in 1969. “Sure there are some inequities, but we need to work at this through Black leadership that has been working a long time and is really getting things done.”
Johnson made an empty but strategic threat to launch a protest during the nationally televised Cotton Bowl Parade in Dallas, which earned the church in which they gathered several bomb threats.
The Fair Park homeowners eventually lost their homes, but they were paid more at the end than initially offered.
(https://hpbagpipe.com/8964/features/the-history-of-race-in-dallas-black-movements-part-two/)
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Yeah, let's go play football down there!!!!
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Southern cities might claim to be desegregated, but it was widely "understood" who could go where and when after that happened. Around here, the main E-W road {Poce de Leon was the N-S dividing line, if you lived north of that, you were white, aside from some small enclaves, and vice versa. This isn't true today of course, but several N-S roads that cross Ponce change their names at that point. Monroe becomes Boulevard, etc.
One area south is termed "Old Fourth Ward" and is now a hotbed of gentrification. I don't know how hotels here handled things in 1967. There still are "black neighborhoods" mostly south of downtown. But white folks are moving back inside the city limits now, a reverse while flight.
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The team voted. Nobody here has any idea why they voted as they did.
Link a source substantiating why the team voted as it did. Not supposition or hearsay, direct quotes.
Oh and Penn State actually did go to the Cotton Bowl just two years later. But I'm sure any potential hangups about desegregation were completely resolved during that span...
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y'all are fast becoming candidates for area-51.
.... i'll send a recruiter your way.
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I've said my piece.
Back to Longhorn football...err... I mean Georgia football!
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I'm not sure how much the Dallas ISD would bear on that decision even if it were on Penn St's mind. ISDs =/= hotel/UT policy. I'm assuming it's possible whatever the school districts were doing had nothing to do with what UT and hotels were doing, and that PSU people may not have cared about the Dallas ISD at all.
I wasn't there, and I wouldn't know. But without direct evidence, it seems tenuous to assert a stronger connection than need be warranted.
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On Georgia football: I always sort of liked UGA, and always considered them my second favorite SEC team, albeit a far, far distant second.....so far so as not to really warrant the term "favorite."
I lived in GA for a couple years growing up, I know a lot of UGA fans, and I've liked a number of their players. I was happy for them when they finally won a title (in my memory, I mean).
It got a little bit annoying when they won a second one the year after.
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I've always liked Georgia, other than that little issue of the 1984 Cotton Bowl. But as I've said before, that was more our fault than theirs.
But yeah, a history of good players from Georgia, lots of tradition, what's not to like? I've also always liked Alabama, and LSU, and Tennessee. I guess I've got a lot of love for the SEC.
Except for A&M, and Arkansas, and Oklahoma, of course. No love there at all!
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Now wait just a minute. I know bullshit when I smell it, and it's getting thick in here. Because, as I remember, the very next year Texas claims to have won the national championship, despite having lost their bowl game. I may have my years mixed up, but it seems like there is a year in the 60's/70. 1970 is the year. The reason we're always given is that some of the polls were conducted before the end of the season, and the bowl game wasn't really considered for several years. Only later did the polls evolve to include the bowl game.
So, by that logic, ND or Texas should have already been the champion.
Just curious, does any of the polls have PSU as MNC for 1969? Not just the AP or whatever they had.
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We're talking about the 1969 season. That year the Coaches' Poll completed its final voting in early December, before the bowl season, and 10-0 Texas was voted #1 while 10-0 Penn State was voted #2. The AP Poll completed its final voting in January after the bowls, and 11-0 Texas voted #1 while 11-0 Penn State was voted #2. Had Penn State accepted the Cotton Bowl invitation and beaten Texas in Dallas, then it's presumed (and highly likely) that they would have won the AP Poll vote for #1. I don't know about any of the other rankings, the AP and Coaches' polls are really the only two that mattered at the time and they're the only two that matter still.
Despite the popular myth, Nixon awarding Texas the "national championship" via a small plaque he had made up, after the Texas-Arkansas game, really had nothing to do with the actual national championship. The voters in both polls were still free to vote for whichever teams they saw fit.
Then it was the following year, the regular season for 1970, where the polls were split and Texas was voted #1 by the Coaches' Poll at the end of the regular season, while Nebraska was voted #1 by the AP Poll after the bowl games (Texas finished #3 in the AP that year).
This Georgia football talk is fun!
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I thought it was the UPI at the time.
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I thought it was the UPI at the time.
Yes Coaches' Poll was the UPI Poll, same thing. In 1990 it changed to the USA Today poll and was some form of that for a couple of decades, and now apparently it's called the US LBM Poll, whatever that is.
But regardless of press affiliation/sponsor, it's been the Coaches' Poll since 1950.
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I think to be a "real" CFB fan, one must "like" in a sense, a lot of programs distant from your own, "like" meaning respect or appreciate or sometimes pull for especially when they play a team not so distant from yours. I don't "dislike" any team really, I try and take them as they are. I do agree when one team starts to dominate, they get on my nerves along with some arrogant fans who think it'll never end.
It aids in enjoyment, I think, on Saturdays when waiting perhaps on your team to watch say Wisconin playing Iowa.
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now apparently it's called the US LBM Poll, whatever that is.
It either stands for Until Saturday, Let's Blather More, or it's the Unforgotten Stories--Little Big Matt.
I forget which.
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I think to be a "real" CFB fan, one must "like" in a sense, a lot of programs distant from your own, "like" meaning respect or appreciate or sometimes pull for especially when they play a team not so distant from yours. I don't "dislike" any team really, I try and take them as they are. I do agree when one team starts to dominate, they get on my nerves along with some arrogant fans who think it'll never end.
It aids in enjoyment, I think, on Saturdays when waiting perhaps on your team to watch say Wisconin playing Iowa.
I've watched several thrilling games over the years that had zero to do with my own team. WVU beating OU in that BCS bowl game, Texas over USC, Florida over FSU in the MNC, NU over UTenn in the BCS (not a thriller but I was rooting for the XII), and countless others that I've really enjoyed. Sometimes, if I am able, I will just watch CFB all day long, even with teams that have nothing to do with my own, just because I enjoy the sport.
Except the PAC, I never watch those teams. :)
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Per The Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:
The AP college football poll's origins go back to the 1930s. The news media began running their own polls of sports writers to determine, by popular opinion, the best college football teams in the country. One of the earliest such polls was conducted by the AP in November 1934. In 1935, AP sports editor Alan J. Gould declared a three-way tie for national champion in football between Minnesota, Princeton, and Southern Methodist. Minnesota fans protested and a number of Gould's colleagues led by Charles "Cy" Sherman suggested he create a poll of sports editors instead of only using his own list. The next year the weekly AP college football poll was born, and has run continuously from 1936.
Due to the long-standing historical ties between individual college football conferences and high-paying bowl games like the Rose Bowl and Orange Bowl, the NCAA had not held a tournament or championship game to determine the national champion of what is now the highest division, NCAA Division I, Football Bowl Subdivision (the Division I, Football Championship Subdivision and lower divisions do hold championship tournaments). As a result, the public and the media began to acknowledge the leading vote-getter in the final AP poll as the national champion for that season.
While the AP poll currently lists the Top 25 teams in the nation, from 1936 to 1988, the wire service only ranked twenty teams, except from 1961 to 1967, when only ten teams were recognized. The AP expanded to the current 25 teams in 1989.
The AP began conducting a preseason poll in 1950.
At the end of the 1947 season, the AP released an unofficial post-bowl poll which differed from the regular season final poll. Until the 1968 college football season, the final AP poll of the season was released following the end of the regular season, with the lone exception of the 1965 season. In 1964, Alabama was named the national champion in the final AP Poll following the completion of the regular season, but lost in the Orange Bowl to Texas, leaving Arkansas as the only undefeated, untied team after the Razorbacks defeated Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl. In 1965, the AP's decision to wait to crown its champion paid handsomely, as top-ranked Michigan State lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl, number two Arkansas lost to LSU in the Cotton Bowl, and fourth-ranked Alabama defeated third-ranked Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, vaulting the Crimson Tide to the top of the AP's final poll (Michigan State was named national champion in the final UPI Coaches Poll, which did not conduct a post-bowl poll).
Beginning in 1968, the post bowl game poll became permanent and the AP championship reflected the bowl game results. The UPI did not follow suit with the coaches' poll until the 1974 season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_poll
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These Dawgs can look pretty good, and then pretty bad, in the same game, and a week apart. The first half against Bama vs the second half.
My hope I think is to win out, which means beating Tech, and make the playoff and perhaps win the first game. There is a solid difference between being 5-6-7-8 and 9+.
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Beck has got to be the most Jekyll/Hyde qb I've seen in at least several years. When he's on, he's amazing and near unstoppable. Other times I wonder if he's ever seen film of the opponent or played the position before.
I'd love to know how much is the OC, receivers not helping, etc., and how much is Beck.
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Beck has got to be the most Jekyll/Hyde qb I've seen in at least several years. When he's on, he's amazing and near unstoppable. Other times I wonder if he's ever seen film of the opponent or played the position before.
I'd love to know how much is the OC, receivers not helping, etc., and how much is Beck.
Quinn Ewers is similar, though probably not quite as "hot" when on, and possibly not quite as "cold" when off.
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The Longhorns thread is over there ---->
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Nope
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A lot of question about Carson Beck. I have concluded that:
1. He throws a nice looking ball, usually, strong arm etc.
2. If he's not pressured, he's accurate.~???
3. He tries to fit balls in where there really isn't room, usually, At times, it ends up being a spectacular throw, at others, it is an INT.
4. He misses Bowers a lot.
5. The Dawgs have had a lot of drops.
6. He's a prototypical NFL QB in every respect, that doesn't mean he will shine in the league, but I think he's worth a low first round pick.
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GT and UGA…now in the 6th OT. Holy smokes!
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UGA takes it in 8 OT. Incredible. And it may be the best possible outcome for the winner of tomorrow’s A&M - UT game.
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Yeah probably better for UT/TAMU that Georgia won.
What a crazy game, rivalries are real, man!
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That was stressful.
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See, I told you that Georgia wasn't going to lose any more games before the SEC CCG. I think you owe me a coke! ;)
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Maybe even a beer.
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See, I told you that Georgia wasn't going to lose any more games before the SEC CCG. I think you owe me a coke! ;)
He owes you a coke, but he needs the white powdered coke after last nights heart attack.
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See, I told you that Georgia wasn't going to lose any more games before the SEC CCG. I think you owe me a coke! ;)
They had it in the bag the whole time ;)
I wasn't rooting for Tech, per se, but Haynes King played his guts out in that game and I really felt bad for him when he fumbled the first down away. It was almost certainly over at that point, but despite his heroic efforts all night, that one flub cost them the game, and I'm sure he knows it. I told my family that was all uga needed and they were going to win. I thought I might be wrong in a couple of the OTs but uga eventually proved my crystal ball isn't yet completely clouded.
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What to expect of Georgia for next season? The rushing attack was near the bottom of the conference, Carson Beck moved the offense at times but clearly missed McConkey and Bowers, and how is the offense looking better going into 2025? For starters, the offseason should focus on sorting out the lost running game. Georgia’s stable of running backs is way too talented to disappear as much as they did this past season. Get the running game sorted out and then work on establishing downfield targets for Gunner Stockton. As of late, Georgia’s offense relied on Carson Beck’s instinct, which at times could throw a magic pass. Stockton, though adequate, has a ways to go if he’s needed to bail out an offense that too many times Beck was called on to do.
Without improvement on the offense, I see opponents honing in to exploit the ways Georgia’s offense sputtered in a number of games last year. For example, a good defense could trap Georgia into more low scoring battles like Kentucky was able to last season. There’s about 4 or 5 games on Georgia’s schedule where this could happen:
(https://i.imgur.com/75ZuxLC.png)
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Eh ....
I saw Day got a fat contract and is Number Two now on the pay scale. I'm sure Smart gets passed up soonish.
It's funny how Day and Napier were on the skids and now are viewed "more positively".