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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on October 10, 2024, 01:13:45 PM
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Feels like this is part of realignment going forward. We are going to get better games, but they are going to "mean" less. Not to CFP implications, but to the fans. This feels like a fun September game, not to determine who controls their CCG destiny.
I think Ohio State is the better team, and I stand by my statement that Gabriel doesn't look totally comfortable in the offense. He's leading the nation in completion percentage, but is dismal in yards per completion, and threw 2 red zone picks last week when the downfield threat didn't exist.
That said, I'll believe in the time zone curse until proven otherwise
Oregon 30, Ohio State 24
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Be like a 4:30 kick off back east,but they can snooze on the plane,thought I read tOSU will be leaving Sat in the a.m.
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Feels like this is part of realignment going forward. We are going to get better games, but they are going to "mean" less. Not to CFP implications, but to the fans. This feels like a fun September game, not to determine who controls their CCG destiny.
I think Ohio State is the better team, and I stand by my statement that Gabriel doesn't look totally comfortable in the offense. He's leading the nation in completion percentage, but is dismal in yards per completion, and threw 2 red zone picks last week when the downfield threat didn't exist.
That said, I'll believe in the time zone curse until proven otherwise
Oregon 30, Ohio State 24
Agreed on all counts. This is a great game, I mean who can complain about #2 vs #3 but it isn't like similar match-ups that I've witnessed in the past. In the past the loser was likely out. Now all this does is determine who controls their own destiny to the CCG and a first-round bye.
Also, this *COULD* end up being the first of up to three Buckeyes/Ducks games this year.
You and I and others discussed the time zone thing earlier and I agree there as well. Unless/until proven otherwise I'll have a hard time picking a team travelling 2+ timezones unless I think the home team is just atrocious and the road team is a contender.
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This from BUCKNUTS
- Ohio State is tied for #1 in the country in red zone offense. In the 21 times Ohio State has been in the red zone, they have scored 20 TDs and 1 FG.
- Oregon is ranked #93. In their 21 attempts, they have scored 14 TDs and 3 FGs.
- Ohio State is also ranked #3 in red zone defense while Oregon is ranked #104.
It would prolly be best if Ohio St could score on a couple of early possessions and put the pressure on Gabriel. The number of times the Buckeye RBs ground out decent yardage on 1st down will really be a key that's a guess of course but stands to reason. That would open up the passing game and keep their front 7 from pinning their ears back. And last but not least take the wild crowds out of it
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This also from BUCKNUTS
Oregon has A LOT of transfers. tOSU start 6 transfers while Oregon starts 14 including all of their WRs and their entire defensive backfield. The maturity and experience of their transfers must be playing a factor in their early success
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This also from BUCKNUTS
Oregon has A LOT of transfers. tOSU start 6 transfers while Oregon starts 14 including all of their WRs and their entire defensive backfield. The maturity and experience of their transfers must be playing a factor in their early success
They apparently have the most expensive DL in terms of NIL in the country. They bought MSU's best DT, and he's just part of a rotation there, instead of being a DUDE.
MSU matched up better with OSU because they were closer in the trenches. Oregon absolutely dominated MSU inside. That's going to be a big test for OSU, because their lines have not been nearly as good under Day as they were under Tressell/Meyer
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Last time Will Howard faced a team ranked #3…...
#10 Kansas State - 31 | #3 TCU 28
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Ohio State is probably the better team....but.....West coast curse. Ohio State SHOULD win the game. But wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Oregon gets some whacky home field bounces and pulls out the victory.
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Last time Will Howard faced a team ranked #3…...
#10 Kansas State - 31 | #3 TCU 28
so, you got that goin for you
which is nice
Bucks & Ducks!
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If Chip Kelly can mix it up and the big uglies get the running game going I like tOSUs chances.Not really any parallels to draw from,getting pumped this contest is up there with M/Texas and Gawja/Bama. Aslo with the Red River Rivalry not a bad day to back off the work around the house
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-Ohio State has a 9-1 all-time record vs. Oregon. The Buckeyes won the first nine games in the series; Oregon won the most recent contest, defeating Ohio State 35-28 at Ohio Stadium in 2021.
-Ohio State defeated Oregon 30-0 in the programs’ only previous meeting at Autzen Stadium in 1967.
-This will be the Buckeyes’ first conference game against any of the four former Pac-12 schools that joined the Big Ten this summer.
-This will be the fifth time Ohio State has played a game as the No. 2 team in the AP poll against the No. 3 team in the AP poll. The Buckeyes are 1-3 in those games with a win over Michigan in 2016 but losses to Clemson in 2019 and Michigan in both 2022 and 2023.
-ESPN’s College GameDay will be on site for the game, marking Ohio State’s 60th game at a College GameDay site, the most of any school. OSU has a 40-19 record in GameDay games.
-Expect a heavyweight bout that lives up to its top-three hype.
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Beau Bishop really flubbed his intro this morning. I wouldn't be able to do it justice, so it's time stamped. :o
Bishop & Friends 10-11-24 l #Buckeyes on Oregon trail l Tim May l James Crepea l Doug Lesmerises - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3X8rDltsVg&t=131s)
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-Ohio State has a 9-1 all-time record vs. Oregon. The Buckeyes won the first nine games in the series; Oregon won the most recent contest, defeating Ohio State 35-28 at Ohio Stadium in 2021.
I literally have zero memory of this game happening
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MSU matched up better with OSU because they were closer in the trenches. Oregon absolutely dominated MSU inside. That's going to be a big test for OSU, because their lines have not been nearly as good under Day as they were under Tressell/Meyer
Yes this has been the boogie man under the bed that nobody wants to confront the Head Coach with and is the big bone of contention with DAY. He creates some marvelous/sparkling offenses,spends the ADs money getting great asst. coaches and dipping into NIL but what has HE developed in the trenches? He's had home run hires with Hartline and Kelly but ignores HIS responsibilty of building the teams base. Good luck finding any Sunday line studs developed under his program,Paris Johnson,Dawand Jones maybe?
IMO Day is starting to look like a glorified smoke & mirrors, hocus - pocus guy.URBZ D-lines in '15/'16/'17 were deep,6-8 in the rotation(guys not named Bosa or Young) and many of those guys are playing on sunday's. Larry Johnson needs to be retired,one of best in his day but that ship has sailed. Tressel won an NC in his 2nd yr,Meyer won it in his 3rd and Day is in his 6th and no closer to fixing the conundrum.When URBZ left he was at like 7.5 million per,RD has been over 10 mil for 2-3 seasons now.The offense didn't lose that game last nite quite impressive actually w 2 O-lineman going down but ORE. was w/o it's best lineman Burch so off setting there.
Both teams put on a great show and the Buckeyes prolly lead CFB in close,rivoting big game loses,Georgia 2yrs ago,Michigan last season,this game last nite - they're not boring but with a defense they very well could be. Rant Over
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I know osu fans won’t want to hear this, but there was two blatantly awful calls that shortly after resulted in two osu touchdowns. The fact that interception wasn’t reviewed is crazy and just about all of society outside of Ohio agrees it should have been an interception. Secondly, Oregon was driving, had a 3rd down in OSU territory and there was a blatantly defensive holding which then had a pass interference on the pass. 2-3 plays later after it resulted in osu ball, Henderson ripped that massive 50+ yard run which then lead to a td. Can’t take away his runs, but ball shouldn’t have been in his hands yet. Yes, bad calls always happen, but these were blatantly terrible and lead to 14 of the 31 points almost immediately after.
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I know osu fans won’t want to hear this, but there was two blatantly awful calls that shortly after resulted in two osu touchdowns. The fact that interception wasn’t reviewed is crazy and just about all of society outside of Ohio agrees it should have been an interception. Secondly, Oregon was driving, had a 3rd down in OSU territory and there was a blatantly defensive holding which then had a pass interference on the pass. 2-3 plays later after it resulted in osu ball, Henderson ripped that massive 50+ yard run which then lead to a td. Can’t take away his runs, but ball shouldn’t have been in his hands yet. Yes, bad calls always happen, but these were blatantly terrible and lead to 14 of the 31 points almost immediately after.
Refs not exactly friendly to the Bucks down the stretch.
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I don’t disagree with that either.
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Gotta love homer boards I peruse them for some insight/info but the rational fans are drowned out by the delusional ones and even down voted into oblivion by them. The nutters stating absolutes like predictions vs the Ducks but they are the quacks about half those posting had tOSU winning by 14-24 pts last nite.
Like some of these beauties below
"All this article says is that my prediction of 42-17 win for the Buckeyes is apropos"
"42-3,It’s gonna be a bloodbath"
"We spank these wannabe boys. I guarantee it. Oregano is not a top 25 team and I show it right here. Go buck - 49-13. How you like those apples"
OSU 38-16,OSU 38-10,Buckeyes 35-7 and so forth
I really like this one:
"34 - 20 Buckeyes. I think Oregon's back 7 is far less capable than its front 7. Consequently, I see the Buckeyes passing more at first to get a lead than running to control the clock and game"
Now maybe it's me but I didn't know Oregon was trotting out 14 guys on defense and if so why didn't the refs catch any of this? Of course when I go over there and post "well this thread didn't age well" the knives will be out and they'll carve me up,but what the hell they started it ;D
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It’s why this board is great. Most here try to prepare for the worst of their own team and simply enjoy the better outcome.
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Upon review that was a very bad call against Jeremiah Smith with 26 seconds left. The problem being the ball was not in the air at that instant so there can't be pass interference - home cooking. I stopped the video at that point and contact was originated by the DB and followed thru by Smith but the ball clearly wasn't in the air.
https://youtu.be/SKZgf7g1OQ0?t=913
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illegal contact
he pushed off, not a lot but if you extend your arms you're going to get flagged
not a great call but not a bad call either
freshman mistake
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I really like this one:
"34 - 20 Buckeyes. I think Oregon's back 7 is far less capable than its front 7.
Ah....Oregon must have adopted Tennessee's vaunted 5-4-5 defense, circa 2010. That escaped my notice so far, but let me tell you, it's a hell of a formation to run against.
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illegal contact
he pushed off, not a lot but if you extend your arms you're going to get flagged
not a great call but not a bad call either
freshman mistake
The ref called pass interference - This according to Ask the Official blog
WR can set a pick, just don’t initiate contact with the defense. Get to the spot first and stand still. This is totally legal as long as the offensive receiver doesn’t initiate contact with the defense.
Which Smith didn't do - Nikko Reed did,Hell even Todd Blackledge started to say Nikko Reed the Ducks DB,before realizing the ref meant Smith - bad call with all the blatant hard shots - that was weak sauce
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Meh. I can’t bitch about the calls or breaks. They went both ways.
Ohio State had the ball 1st and 10 at the Oregon 28 with a timeout and 42 seconds left- WELL within their trusted FG range.
Oregon just made a few more plays than OSU did.
It is not that big of a deal. Going on the road against a great team, with an NFL back, WRs, TE and a very talented 6th year QB, in one of the most hostile environments in CFB- was always going to be a big ask. They just game up a few second short. That’s CFB.
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Ohio State had the ball 1st and 10 at the Oregon 28 with a timeout and 42 seconds left- WELL within their trusted FG range.
should have run the damn ball
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Meh. I can’t bitch about the calls or breaks. They went both ways.
Ohio State had the ball 1st and 10 at the Oregon 28 with a timeout and 42 seconds left- WELL within their trusted FG range.
Oregon just made a few more plays than OSU did.
It is not that big of a deal. Going on the road against a great team, with an NFL back, WRs, TE and a very talented 6th year QB, in one of the most hostile environments in CFB- was always going to be a big ask. They just game up a few second short. That’s CFB.
I agree the refs made several bad calls going both ways. The sting though, is when those calls happen at the end, the team who the call goes against doesn't get the chance to overcome the bad call.
I liked the pass call until it became a home-cooked ref call against the Bucks.
Also, the 12 men on the field call that left the clock running was frustrating. It felt like the refs fingers where too involved in the end of the game, leading to IMHO the players not deciding the outcome.
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Upon review that was a very bad call against Jeremiah Smith with 26 seconds left. The problem being the ball was not in the air at that instant so there can't be pass interference - home cooking. I stopped the video at that point and contact was originated by the DB and followed thru by Smith but the ball clearly wasn't in the air.
https://youtu.be/SKZgf7g1OQ0?t=913
It is pass interference anytime an offensive player initiates contact with a defensive player between the time the ball is snapped until the pass is touched by any player. In other words, the fact that the ball was not in the air is irrelevant to OPI. For example, if a receiver runs down the field, clearly blocks the safety and knocks him down and then proceeds downfield to either catch a pass or another offensive receiver catches a pass, it doesn't matter if the ball had been thrown or not, it is still OPI.
But to the point, I thought it was a ticky tack call in that the defensive player and J.Smith both initiated the contact. The ref should have ate the flag on that play.
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Kirby Smart chucked a guy way harder than Jeremiah Smith did
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Kirby Smart chucked a guy way harder than Jeremiah Smith did
😂😂
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It is pass interference anytime an offensive player initiates contact with a defensive player between the time the ball is snapped until the pass is touched by any player. In other words, the fact that the ball was not in the air is irrelevant to OPI. For example, if a receiver runs down the field, clearly blocks the safety and knocks him down and then proceeds downfield to either catch a pass or another offensive receiver catches a pass, it doesn't matter if the ball had been thrown or not, it is still OPI.
But to the point, I thought it was a ticky tack call in that the defensive player and J.Smith both initiated the contact. The ref should have ate the flag on that play.
Smith didn't initiate contact,I know the rule Nikko Reed came up and contacted Smith 1st but lets say it was incidental/simultaneous(it wasn't) it certainly wasn't pass interference. Listen to the soundtrack even Blackledge mentioned Nikko Reed 1st and he is a seasoned/insightul commentator. All the slamming going on and that was flagged? That shouldn't have been called
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Ohio State twitter, message boards, and blogs starting to turn on Born on 3rd base?
which is kind of insane considering the guys overall record and consistent success.
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Ohio State twitter, message boards, and blogs starting to turn on Born on 3rd base?
which is kind of insane considering the guys overall record and consistent success.
I don't know that they are turning on him as just repeating the same stuff. They've been calling for him to get fired since 2021. Sometimes I respond on twitter that Jimbo Fisher is out there just waiting for a spot
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I don't know that they are turning on him as just repeating the same stuff. They've been calling for him to get fired since 2021. Sometimes I respond on twitter that Jimbo Fisher is out there just waiting for a spot
Or bring back Urbz. You just gotta snag him before the Gators do.
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Or bring back Urbz. You just gotta snag him before the Gators do.
Or Notre Dame
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Or the Dallas Cowboys.
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or the cameras sticking his fingers in a young woman's cooter...
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NCAA mulling in-season action after Oregon's controversial late-game situational move helped Ducks beat Ohio State - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-mulling-in-season-action-after-oregons-controversial-late-game-situational-move-helped-ducks-beat-ohio-state-154542363.html)
We all saw that coming. I give Lanning credit for being smart enough to employ the tactic. Smart boy.
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Seems like a simple solution would be to give the offense the choice of putting time back on the clock. I'm trying to think of any negative externalities that might drive...
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I don't know that they are turning on him as just repeating the same stuff. They've been calling for him to get fired since 2021. Sometimes I respond on twitter that Jimbo Fisher is out there just waiting for a spot
that is actually hilarious and I'm just imaging it now if Jimbo Fisher had been the coach at Ohio State. Forget all the assassination attempts on Trump....there'd have been 100 on Jimbo by Bucknutjobbies.
Bucknutjob fans really don't have a clue how spoiled and truly lucky they are to have had the sustained consistent success their program has had and that's largely because Ohio State ADs just keep nailing the coaching hires. fire Day who you gonna get that's better? entitled screaming little brats.
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Saban ain't coming.
That dickface Oregon coach would probably jump for the right money. Oregon would probably match though.
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Saban ain't coming.
That dickface Oregon coach would probably jump for the right money. Oregon would probably match though.
Phil Knight has a lot of fucking money. He'd probably pay Dan Lanning $20 million a year to stay put.
Also, if you're Dan Lanning do you really want to go to Ohio State if they god forbid fired Ryan Day? Why would you want that pressure cooker where they fire a coach who wins literally 88% of his games. If you don't win at least 90% I guess you suck lol.
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Seems like a simple solution would be to give the offense the choice of putting time back on the clock. I'm trying to think of any negative externalities that might drive...
I can't think of any.
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NCAA mulling in-season action after Oregon's controversial late-game situational move helped Ducks beat Ohio State - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-mulling-in-season-action-after-oregons-controversial-late-game-situational-move-helped-ducks-beat-ohio-state-154542363.html)
We all saw that coming. I give Lanning credit for being smart enough to employ the tactic. Smart boy.
First, credit to Lanning for thinking of it. It wasn't cheating, that was (and for now still is) the rule, he found a loophole, good for him.
That said there is something I don't understand so any thoughts would be appreciated:
As I see it, why run only ONE extra guy on the field? The penalty is "too many" not five yards per extra guy, right?
As I see it, the big risk is that it gives the offense a free play. If they see what is going on, they KNOW that the play will be flagged so the QB can throw a ridiculously reckless pass because if it gets intercepted, so what. That is a risk for the D because what if Howard had thrown for a TD into double (or triple) coverage and tOSU managed to make the play? Then tOSU declines the penalty and walks off with a win.
Based on the above, it seems to me that if you are going to do it, shouldn't you send a dozen extra guys out there?
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Reminds me of a couple of years ago when they changed the kickoff clock rules to start on the kick. Bert, in a game with only seconds remaining in the first half, kicking off after a score, had his kicker send several in succession out of bounds to run time off the clock.
IIRC it was changed in-season after that one too.
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I gotta say it cracks me up how over-regulated college football is. Like we need another special rule against playing too many players at one time. Imagine the Celtics just put out six guys on defense and the refs all huddle up, unsure how to proceed.
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Reminds me of a couple of years ago when they changed the kickoff clock rules to start on the kick. Bert, in a game with only seconds remaining in the first half, kicking off after a score, had his kicker send several in succession out of bounds to run time off the clock.
IIRC it was changed in-season after that one too.
Couple of years. Heh. Paterno was the PSU coach and was PISSED.
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I gotta say it cracks me up how over-regulated college football is. Like we need another special rule against playing too many players at one time. Imagine the Celtics just put out six guys on defense and the refs all huddle up, unsure how to proceed.
I'm all for eliminating/reducing/minimizing rules that have subjective interpretations.
But when it comes to stopping people from intentionally cheating/gaming the system and exhibiting poor sportsmanship, I'm fine with implementing new rules to close up loopholes. And the fix for something like this would be pretty simple. The rule is already in place, the enforcement of the penalty can be altered to allow the offense to put the time back on the clock. Nothing subjective, no controversy there.
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fire Day who you gonna get that's better? entitled screaming little brats.
Maybe someone who can win a title by year two like Tressel or by year 3 like Urbz or by Cheating like Booger.
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I'm all for eliminating/reducing/minimizing rules that have subjective interpretations.
But when it comes to stopping people from intentionally cheating/gaming the system and exhibiting poor sportsmanship, I'm fine with implementing new rules to close up loopholes. And the fix for something like this would be pretty simple. The rule is already in place, the enforcement of the penalty can be altered to allow the offense to put the time back on the clock. Nothing subjective, no controversy there.
yup, the clock stops on a defensive penalty
make it a pre-snap penalty
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Smith didn't initiate contact,I know the rule Nikko Reed came up and contacted Smith 1st but lets say it was incidental/simultaneous(it wasn't) it certainly wasn't pass interference. Listen to the soundtrack even Blackledge mentioned Nikko Reed 1st and he is a seasoned/insightul commentator. All the slamming going on and that was flagged? That shouldn't have been called
I was responding to the comment you had made about the ball having not been in the air yet implying that it could not have been OPI. That was all I was attempting to point out.
I kind of agree with you on the contact. I believe that BOTH players kind of ran into each other and that a case could be made that neither player actually initiated the contact.
I believe what makes it look bad is that when they seperated, Smiths arms were outstreached making it look as though he pushed off. Not saying I agree with the call, but I can see why it was called. Having officiated HS football for 25 years, I can say that I would have most likely NOT called OPI on that play.
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Seems like a simple solution would be to give the offense the choice of putting time back on the clock. I'm trying to think of any negative externalities that might drive...
That sounds like a reasonable solution. However, they cannot implement any rule changes during the current season according to the NCAA bylaws. Those changes have to go through a process that occurres after the season.
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First, credit to Lanning for thinking of it. It wasn't cheating, that was (and for now still is) the rule, he found a loophole, good for him.
That said there is something I don't understand so any thoughts would be appreciated:
As I see it, why run only ONE extra guy on the field? The penalty is "too many" not five yards per extra guy, right?
As I see it, the big risk is that it gives the offense a free play. If they see what is going on, they KNOW that the play will be flagged so the QB can throw a ridiculously reckless pass because if it gets intercepted, so what. That is a risk for the D because what if Howard had thrown for a TD into double (or triple) coverage and tOSU managed to make the play? Then tOSU declines the penalty and walks off with a win.
Based on the above, it seems to me that if you are going to do it, shouldn't you send a dozen extra guys out there?
I guess I am not sure of the NCAA rules on this foul.
In High School National Federation rules, the foul for having more than 11 players on the field AFTER the ball is snapped, is Illegal Participation which is a 15 yd penalty. In this case, it does not matter if all of the players on the field at the time of the snap actively participate in the play or there is just 1 or 2 players trying to get to the sideline and didn't make it before the snap.
If the official catches more than 11 players on the field PRIOR to the snap, it is Illegal Substitution and is penalized by a 5 yd penalty prior to the snap. This penalty is hard to enforce as it requires the officials to keep track of the players in the huddle or mulling around between plays while also monitoring players coming onto the field and those leaving the field and then trying to shutdown the play before the ball is snapped.
I thought that the NCAA rule was similar, but I am guessing things have changed somewhat.
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That sounds like a reasonable solution. However, they cannot implement any rule changes during the current season according to the NCAA bylaws. Those changes have to go through a process that occurres after the season.
Ok, I just read an article on Eleven Warriors stating that the NCAA can make adjustments during the seaons as to how a penalty if enforced. They are considering making a ruling on this specific rule shortly, according to the aritcle.
Link. (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/10/149862/ncaa-considering-rule-change-after-oregon-intentionally-put-12th-defender-on-field-against-ohio-state)
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I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.
Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play. If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG, does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?
The way I look at it, Lanning took a calculated risk and it paid off, but he had no guaruntee it would pay off. In fact it could have easily back-fired on him.
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I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.
Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play. If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG, does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?
The way I look at it, Lanning took a calculated risk and it paid off, but he had no guaruntee it would pay off. In fact it could have easily back-fired on him.
In a way, I agree. This is what I was getting at with my question about why you would send ONLY one extra guy out there.
It obviously worked out but 12 vs 11 doesn't automatically guarantee that the Buckeyes can't complete a pass. Additionally, by running an extra guy out there you also give the Buckeyes an insurance policy against an INT because if anything bad (for the Buckeyes) happens on the play, the Buckeyes can simply take the five yard penalty thus negating the bad thing (int, for example).
In retrospect, the Buckeyes' response should have been either:
- Spike the ball, or
- Throw a reckless pass deep.
Spiking the ball:
When the play started it was 3rd and 25 at the Oregon 43 with 00:10 to go. From there it is a 58 yard FG. Spiking the ball shouldn't take more than 00:01 so you'd be at 3rd and 20 at the Oregon 38 with 00:09 to go. Oregon can't win that way. If you keep repeating that you get:
- 00:09 at the 38, 53 yard FG.
- 00:08 at the 33, 48 yard FG.
- 00:07 at the 28, 43 yard FG.
- 00:06 at the 23, 38 yard FG.
That math doesn't work for Oregon there because Ohio State gets close enough to just line up and kick the FG before they run out of time.
Throwing a reckless pass deep:
There are basically four possibilities here:
- Incomplete: Ok, take the penalty, line up and try again from five yards closer.
- Interception. Ok, take the penalty, line up and try again from five yards closer.
- Pass Interference: Now you get a bigger penalty and into FG range.
- Completion: You either score or get into FG range.
The first two are not bad for the Buckeyes and the second two almost certainly result in a tOSU win.
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That sounds like a reasonable solution. However, they cannot implement any rule changes during the current season according to the NCAA bylaws. Those changes have to go through a process that occurres after the season.
Well, they did (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41832824/ncaa-issues-interpretation-restore-12-man-penalty).
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I know osu fans won’t want to hear this, but there was two blatantly awful calls that shortly after resulted in two osu touchdowns. The fact that interception wasn’t reviewed is crazy and just about all of society outside of Ohio agrees it should have been an interception. Secondly, Oregon was driving, had a 3rd down in OSU territory and there was a blatantly defensive holding which then had a pass interference on the pass. 2-3 plays later after it resulted in osu ball, Henderson ripped that massive 50+ yard run which then lead to a td. Can’t take away his runs, but ball shouldn’t have been in his hands yet. Yes, bad calls always happen, but these were blatantly terrible and lead to 14 of the 31 points almost immediately after.
It is funny, we've always talked about hypotheticals and "if they played again" but in the past it was mostly all hypothetical. Now things are different. What we saw last weekend might be the end of tOSU/Oregon for this year but it also might just have been the first of as many as three installments (regular season, B1GCG, CFP). Consequently, these "if they played again" hypotheticals aren't entirely hypothetical. It really could happen and it could actually even happen twice more.
From that perspective rather than arguing bad calls and odd loopholes that have now been closed (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41832824/ncaa-issues-interpretation-restore-12-man-penalty), the thing that I would point out is that there was no point in the game when it felt like it was getting away from Ohio State. Here were the leads and snaps by the team in the lead:
- 7-0 tOSU, 4 snaps.
- 7-6 tOSU, 7 plays for a TD.
- 14-6 tOSU, 0 snaps.
- 14-12 tOSU, 0 snaps.
- 15-14 ORE, 0 snaps.
- 21-15 tOSU, 0 snaps.
- 22-21 ORE, 9 snaps but 3 of them were at the very end of the half without enough time to do anything).
- 28-22 tOSU, 5 snaps
- 29-28 ORE, 0 snaps.
- 31-29 tOSU, 0 snaps.
- 32-31 ORE, 0 snaps.
Two things:
- Oregon never led by more than one point. Their leads were 15-14, 22-21, 29-28, and 32-31.
- Oregon only had both the lead and the ball right before and right after halftime. Before halftime they went 3-and-out and after halftime they gained 19 yards on 6 plays before punting.
When Ohio State was up 14-6 it "felt like" they were in position to run away with it but then they gave up a TD, had that weird unintentional onsides kick, gave up a FG, and found themselves behind 15-14. Ohio State IMEDIATELY responded with a TD to make it 22-15.
Ohio State had the lead and the ball up 28-22 late in the 3rd quarter. That definitely felt like an opportunity to put the game away. Not completely, there was still about 15 minutes left but a TD there makes it a 13 point game and even a FG makes it a two-score game at 31-22.
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I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.
Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play. If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG, does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?
True but since it was a broken play that thought was lost in the excitement of the moment - I like the kid's gutsy performance
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brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning?
absolutely NOT
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(https://i.imgur.com/BwnTmtc.png)
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the penalty, ... defensive penalty was not good.
a huge mistake by Oregon
the lack of acknowledgement by Ohio St. to realize the clock would run after being placed by the official was a mistake
Oregon benefited by their huge mistake
better to be lucky than good
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I'm not sure I ever knew exactly why John L. was so mad
https://twitter.com/SpaceCoyoteBDS/status/1846750054528209218
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(https://i.imgur.com/BwnTmtc.png)
well one guy loses to Marshall and Nothern Illinois at home....one guy doesn't.
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I don't get why everybody considers this a brilliant no-brainer move by Lanning.
Even though 4 seconds ran off the clock, there was a risk to automaticly giving Ohio St 5 extra yards on the play. If on the next play, Will Howard runs and takes a knee with 1 second left, calls time out and then Ohio St kicks the game winning FG, does it still look like a brilliant move by Lanning?
The way I look at it, Lanning took a calculated risk and it paid off, but he had no guaruntee it would pay off. In fact it could have easily back-fired on him.
Of course there's no guarantee.. but osu had the ball on 43.. they needed a good 10-15 yards to have a much better shot to make a field goal.. if you have a 12th guy on the field protecting that area or an extra guy to double team smith, its not just about the clock, it's about increasing the likelihood that osu won't have the bigger play for an easier field goal. risking 5 yards for better opportunity to prevent 15 yard play seems pretty brilliant in my book.
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I'm not sure I ever knew exactly why John L. was so mad
https://twitter.com/SpaceCoyoteBDS/status/1846750054528209218
Pretty sure that was the same afternoon as the Wisconsin blocked punt to win the Axe, the Reggie Bush tush push, and Mario Manningham on the final play to beat Penn State
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Of course there's no guarantee.. but osu had the ball on 43.. they needed a good 10-15 yards to have a much better shot to make a field goal.. if you have a 12th guy on the field protecting that area or an extra guy to double team smith, its not just about the clock, it's about increasing the likelihood that osu won't have the bigger play for an easier field goal. risking 5 yards for better opportunity to prevent 15 yard play seems pretty brilliant in my book.
The only issue with that is if the refs weren't half asleep and realized what happened they could have tagged Oregon with a 15 yarder. Had they done that, Lanning probably not looking so hot.
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the lack of acknowledgement by Ohio St. to realize the clock would run after being placed by the official was a mistake
Well DAY hired Kelly(smart move) so he could focus on the particulars.Evidently the possibility of everyone being covered didn't enter his mind.If so did he tell Howard to get inside and get a few yds then go down to stop the clock in the event? if not a glaring oversite by RD
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The only issue with that is if the refs weren't half asleep and realized what happened they could have tagged Oregon with a 15 yarder. Had they done that, Lanning probably not looking so hot.
Is that the ruling in the the last 30 seconds?Or is 5 yds outside the red zone protocol?
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Is that the ruling in the the last 30 seconds?Or is 5 yds outside the red zone protocol?
Intentionally playing 12 guys is afoul of like six of the unsportsmanlike rules. They called the substitution infraction five yarder
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Well the zebras couldn't prove it then/there so that's wishful thinking
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Well DAY hired Kelly(smart move) so he could focus on the particulars.Evidently the possibility of everyone being covered didn't enter his mind.If so did he tell Howard to get inside and get a few yds then go down to stop the clock in the event? if not a glaring oversite by RD
Kelly's job
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FF your pot stiring days are swirling the drain
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Obviously Day ought to know the rule and step in via the headset
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Ha - it worked who the 'skers got this week
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The undefeated Hoosier Daddys
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Well, they did (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41832824/ncaa-issues-interpretation-restore-12-man-penalty).
Hence my post just after that statement:
Ok, I just read an article on Eleven Warriors stating that the NCAA can make adjustments during the seaons as to how a penalty if enforced. They are considering making a ruling on this specific rule shortly, according to the aritcle.
Link. (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/10/149862/ncaa-considering-rule-change-after-oregon-intentionally-put-12th-defender-on-field-against-ohio-state)
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Urban on Ryan Day,the Ducks/Bucks Game and the 12th man
“He just has to get through the media and the talk of him not winning big games,” Meyer said. “They are still one of the most talented teams in the nation. They need to find out what happened on defense. The defensive performance was not what I expected. Meyer also addressed Dan Lanning’s decision to place 12 men on the field on the second-to-last play of the game. The extra defender helped force an incomplete pass for Ohio State, and while Oregon received a 5-yard penalty for illegal participation, the move ultimately benefited the Ducks as it drained four precious seconds off the clock (10 to six).
“If that’s true, and he did that, then for 38 years of my career, I’ve been playing checkers,” Meyer said. “I’ve never done that. It’s never even crossed my mind. Ohio State is 12 yards away from kicking a game-winning field goal, and we’re gonna give them five more yards? I’m a checkers guy, then. Have you ever heard of a coach telling his team to practice an intentional 12-man penalty? I went to Eugene in the spring. I spent time with the offensive staff. They are playing chess. That is one hell of a staff. Hats off. That rule will be revisited. That should be a dead ball.”
The NCAA agrees.
On Wednesday, the loophole Lanning exploited to help Oregon defeat Ohio State closed as the NCAA issued a rules interpretation that will allow offenses the option to reset the clock to the pre-snap time if 12 or more defenders participate in a play during the final two minutes of a half. The interpretation will be effective immediately.
“Football is a very dynamic game,” NCAA football secretary rules editor Steve Shaw said in a statement. “Occasionally, there are specific situations when committing a penalty can give a team an advantage. A guiding principle of the NCAA Football Rules Committee is that there should be no benefit when a team commits a penalty. The goal of this in-season interpretation is to eliminate a potential clock advantage for committing a substitution foul and take away any gain for the defense if they violate the substitution rule.”
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I'm not cornvinced Lanning put 12 on the field on purpose
did he say this in his post game presser?
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I'm not cornvinced Lanning put 12 on the field on purpose
did he say this in his post game presser?
Yes. Smart guy.
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even if he took credit for it in the post game presser, I'm not so sure
good for him if he did and it worked
could have back fired
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even if he took credit for it in the post game presser, I'm not so sure
good for him if he did and it worked
could have back fired
How?
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the offense knows they have a free play and throw to the end zone