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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2024, 08:51:27 AM
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Evidently there is not a Season Thread I would like to give a shout out to my slovenly Buckeye Brethern ;D
A few of Jeremiah Smith's highlights Saturday
https://twitter.com/i/status/1840188275685773506
https://twitter.com/i/status/1840203096867115009
https://twitter.com/i/status/1840195299878244356
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he’s a future top 10 pick. some guys just have it day one. he’s one of those guys.
the kid at Bama is the same.
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Is that the kid that is 17 yr old?
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Is that the kid that is 17 yr old?
Yup. he should be a SR in HS right now, reclassified to the 2024 class.
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Damn sure mom's managing that NIL money
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I'm not sold on Knowles or Larry Johnson - IMO this should be Larry's farewell tour as DL coach and the LBs are meh also
The following drives from Sparty in the first half:
- 55 yard drive to the OSU 20, stuffed on 4th & 1.
- 64 yards down to the OSU 19, fumble recovered by OSU.
- 1 play, 12 yard TD after the INT
- 59 yards down to the OSU 16, fumble recovered by OSU.
This is suspect, these were the first four drives of the game. Sparty is a very average team without many if any playmakers like we’ll see in 3-4 other games before we even get to the playoffs. They moved the ball easily, I know they only scored 7 pts this offense had injuries also. One can make the bend but don't break argument but against a more balanced and talented team the cracks will become evident. This is J.Smith's 1st season in EL as HC with a young first year QB and not much comparable talent around him spending the first half working through Knowles’ defense almost at will.
Now Knowles is leaps and bounds better than Kerry Coombs as a DC.Knowles is much better though not brilliant scheming,scouting the other teams and game prep.Coombs who was more of a motivator and recruiter. He may have been the best DB coach in Buckeye history but a mistake at the next notch up.Much like Ed Warinner GREAT O-Line coach couldn't cut it as a OC. This D-Line was brought back with NIL money and still not real big on any of the LBs the last few seasons. I like the secondary prolly the best unit on the D so early musings but reading the tea leaves tOSU ends ranked 3-5 in the country
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I was a preseason doubter of Jeremiah Smith's ceiling. I just didn't like the statements that he was better than Harrison Jr. I've had to retract my doubt very quickly as this kid is an absolute freak of nature. I think he's already the best receiver in college football.
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He's in the discussion Dawgs and Tide have some ballers but WRs have been fine thru Urbs and Day. It's the otherside of the ball LB that seem pedestrian vs mediocre competition so far.
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Duck season-Wabbit season
This by Garrick Hodge from Warriors
But Ohio State has bigger ducks to hunt.
Jeremiah Smith continued to look like an alien as a true freshman. Will Howard rebounded from a first-half interception and turned in a five-touchdown game. And the defense didn’t allow Iowa to score until the fourth quarter with the majority of OSU’s backups in the game.
OSU now has a top-three showdown with arguably its biggest threat in the conference, the Oregon Ducks. It’s a game that needs little buildup considering the numbers in front of each team’s logos in the Associated Press Top 25 poll, but we’re going to relish every second of it anyway.
I can already envision both of Ohio State’s coordinators licking their chops in preparation for this one.
Chip Kelly obviously has no shortage of history with Oregon. He’s probably been scouring over film, perhaps with an eye on the tape of Kalen DeBoer’s spread offense at Washington torching this Oregon defense last season.The biggest spotlight on offense will probably be offensive tackles Josh Fryar and Josh Simmons, who have to handle standout Oregon defensive ends Jordan Burch and Matayo Uiagalelei, both of whom have at least 3.5 sacks this season.
The biggest chess piece will be contending with Oregon quarterback Dillion Gabriel, an accurate, effective, yet limited passer. The Ducks’ offensive line has been injury-plagued at times and inconsistent throughout the season, and Tyleik Williams could be in line for a big game for OSU considering the interior of Oregon’s line is arguably its weakest point.
It’s going to be an awesome game, and we can’t wait to break it down all week. One mildly concerning stat, though: Big Ten teams traveling across two-plus timezones are 1-8 so far this season, with Indiana’s win against UCLA being the lone victory.
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Also from Eleven Warriors
Dillon Gabriel is a starting quarterback for an unprecedented sixth season at his third different school. This is made possible by a COVID-19 waiver and a medical redshirt taken in 2021 after he broke his clavicle. Gabriel's 16,314 career passing yards are the fourth-most in NCAA history, and he's got a long shot at breaking former Houston quarterback Case Keenum's record of 19,217. Beating out former Hawaii quarterback Tommy Chang's 17,072 career yards for second place should be a formality if Gabriel stays healthy this season.
He completed 69.3% of his passes for 3,660 yards and 30 touchdowns with just six interceptions in 2023. His efficiency in 2024 has been breathtaking. Gabriel has completed 77.8% of his throws, leading the nation. He's got 1,449 passing yards thus far, with 11 touchdowns and three interceptions. His yards per pass attempt has hovered around his career mark, with 8.7 per toss.
Gabriel is also a threat to run, with 1,131 career rushing yards and 29 scores on the ground. He's currently fifth in Heisman odds on DraftKings, and he’d boost his chances with a big performance against the Buckeyes.
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FB memories say that 13 years ago this week.........
I was buying Sharkwater for a couple Buckeye fans
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From the old Board or gate crashers? Anyway back to the Ducks
From everything I've gathered so far - Oregon has one of the best tight ends in college football in Terrance Ferguson and they also have 3 wide receivers,specilly Tez Johnson. And they will cause problems for the good guys - Buckeye safeties are typically covering deep. So if the Ducks TE Ferguson stretches things out, they could get switched on but otherwise Knowles might throw a mix of linebackers and nickel Jordan Hancock.
Sonny Styles and Cody Simon had both played well vs the TE and run last week as Cade McNamara threw for less than 100 yards as is. Both did have problems defending passes over the middle against Michigan State. Maybe Downs does come down to defend underneath balls on some plays. Knowles always mixes schemes throughout a game so it could be some of both. The thinking is mainly be the linebackers with some help from CB Jordan Hancock against Ferguson.
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From the old Board or gate crashers? Anyway back to the Ducks
both from here
Medina and someone much prettier
She's crazy I think
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FB memories say that 13 years ago this week.........
I was buying Sharkwater for a couple Buckeye fans
Thank you!
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“Yeah I don’t really see it as much of a challenge that way,” Day said. “I think it’s a 4.5-hour flight. It’s a couple hours more than Nebraska. And we’re going to stay on East Coast time. I think we’ve got a good plan.”
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Do they fly out of OSU airport, or Columbus International Airport?
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does it matter?
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Do they fly out of OSU airport, or Columbus International Airport?
Is this a serious question? I don't believe that the OSU airport caters to large, passenger jet aircraft. I believe they fly out of John Glenn International.
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born and raised in Ohio and lived here my entire life outside of 2 months overseas and had no idea of this completely non-related football fact. I was on a field trip with daughter this morning and they were at a nature center that provided information of how "Buckeye" came to it's name.
The Native American are credited with naming the buckeye nut because they believe that the dark brown color with the light spot in the center looked like a deer's eye. a Buck's Eye.. buckeye
This might be super common knowledge, but when hearing this, i was shocked.. also lead me to believe OSU could do so much more with it than wearing a rope of nuts around their necks.
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born and raised in Ohio and lived here my entire life outside of 2 months overseas and had no idea of this completely non-related football fact. I was on a field trip with daughter this morning and they were at a nature center that provided information of how "Buckeye" came to it's name.
The Native American are credited with naming the buckeye nut because they believe that the dark brown color with the light spot in the center looked like a deer's eye. a Buck's Eye.. buckeye
This might be super common knowledge, but when hearing this, i was shocked.. also lead me to believe OSU could do so much more with it than wearing a rope of nuts around their necks.
I was born and raised in Columbus. I think we learned that interesting fact in kindergarden.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2024/10/150154/noah-brown-catches-game-winning-hail-mary-to-highlight-spectacular-day-for-former-ohio-state-wide-receivers-in-nfl
A Spectacular Day for Former Ohio State Wide Receivers in NFL
Marvin Harrison Jr., Terry McLaurin, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson all topped 100 receiving yards, it was Noah Brown who made the biggest play of the day – and perhaps the entire year in the NFL – as he hauled in a 52-yard Hail Mary touchdown pass from Jayden Daniels to give the Washington Commanders an 18-15 win over the Chicago Bears.
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Now that is one helluva pair of goofs.
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Ohio State looked beatable at home against Nebraska. Kind of surprised the Buckeyes are favored in Happy Valley but if the Nits QB is out OK, kind of makes sense.
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His backup played better than him in Madison last Saturday.
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Ohio State looked beatable at home against Nebraska. Kind of surprised the Buckeyes are favored in Happy Valley but if the Nits QB is out OK, kind of makes sense.
Beatable? That’s a compliment. Their offensive line looked like crap. Then again, every team has looked beatable.
That said, I am definitely picking PSU in this one.
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If tOSU can play with the same fire/focus week in and out as displayed yesterday that would bode well. Penn St took 4 shots from the 3 yd line that was stopped with 5:13 to go.Then tOSU answered with 11 straight runs - they knew it was coming and could not stop it in front of a record crowd on the road.
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https://twitter.com/Im_showtime_/status/1862964743188697419
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https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2024/11/30/former-ohio-state-player-tyreke-johnson-blasts-coach-ryan-day/
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Ryan Day's seat....
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Hey guys I found Mdot's Ohio State evil twin on X critiquing Day
HE'S GOT TINY ASS NUTS THAT SHRIVEL! And his teams play like it. He literally chooses the hardest path to try and beat them then his QBs fucking suck and his special teams are so special they ride the short bus to the field. Tiny nut, talent wasting clown
Now that sounds eerily familiar
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https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1862943116426113201
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Jeremiah Smith did not get 1 target in the 2nd half. That's coaching malpractice.(according to a source on X)
Day said he was in disbelief. 11 Warriors asked if he regrets not spreading it out that was successful at the end of the 2nd quarter. Day said that even if you are doing that, you still need 1st downs.
.Really??? WTF??? Dumb answer - This guy is paid that much money to give that kind of an answer and still not figure it out?
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Jeremiah Smith not having a single target is beyond absurd. Straight stupid.
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Jeremiah Smith did not get 1 target in the 2nd half. That's coaching malpractice.(according to a source on X)
If I remember correctly, I think this was the case vs Nebraska as well
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Michigan will be looking for WRs in the portal.
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If Ohio State decides to fire Day this week, it would cost $37,276,042, as of Dec. 1, 2024. That’s according to information in USA Today’s coaching salary database. It’s the 17th-highest buyout in the country, per USA Today.
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Jeremiah Smith had 4 targets in the 1st half - one incompletion,2 Def.Interference flags called and one TD. Ya so lets not build on that.I cannot remember a better case for immediate removal for a poltroon that couldn't find his ass with two hands and a flashlight that somehow was believed an offensive sage
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Something happened. On several plays in the 2nd half, Smith didn't even try. Like it's not going to me so I'ma just going to stand here.
After the 3rd time I saw it, the TTUN corner looked over to the coaches and shrugged like you still want me to stand close to him just in case?
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I still sick this morning. Know it's just a game and I shouldn't get so worked up, but I do, and I did.
4 straight years TTUN has dominated both lines of scrimmage, and handed OSU rivalry loss.
I hear peeps trying to defend OSU defense. I'm not. They gave up 173 rushing yards at a clip of 4.2 yards a carry. TTUN wasn't even trying to pass the ball and we couldn't stop the run. 12 defenders on the field gave TTUN the first down to chew extra precious seconds off the clock.
Coaching and O-line messed this game up for the bucks.
TTUN won all three phases of the game and earned this victory. Lot 0-4 senors got embarrassed (again) yesterday.
OSU boosters gonna have to dig deep to remove Day and buy some tough guys on both lines.
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Ohio State AD has a tough ass decision to make. I can see arguments for both sides when it comes to Day. Ultimately I think you keep him unless you have Dan Lanning or Mike Vrabel lined up as done deals. If you fire Day who will you get better than him? That’s a major risk to take.
But on the flip side that loss yesterday at home as 23 point favorites was just flat out inexcusable. Michigan was without their only threat in the pass game with Colston Loveland out and they were without their best player on the team with Will Johnson out. And then to top it off their biggest home run big play threat on offense Donovan Edwards got knocked out of the game in the 2nd QTR.
Michigan didn’t have an offense this year. The OL was about average and the QB room was without question the worst in the P4. Davis Warren fucking SUCKS horribly and Alex Orji literally cannot throw a forward pass. This was the worst OL that Moore will have at Michigan and the worst QB room…and Ryan Day somehow lost at home. It still blows my mind.
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Ohio State AD has a tough ass decision to make. I can see arguments for both sides when it comes to Day. Ultimately I think you keep him unless you have Dan Lanning or Mike Vrabel lined up as done deals. If you fire Day who will you get better than him? That’s a major risk to take.
But on the flip side that loss yesterday at home as 23 point favorites was just flat out inexcusable. Michigan was without their only threat in the pass game with Colston Loveland out and they were without their best player on the team with Will Johnson out. And then to top it off their biggest home run big play threat on offense Donovan Edwards got knocked out of the game in the 2nd QTR.
Michigan didn’t have an offense this year. The OL was about average and the QB room was without question the worst in the P4. Davis Warren fucking SUCKS horribly and Alex Orji literally cannot throw a forward pass. This was the worst OL that Moore will have at Michigan and the worst QB room…and Ryan Day somehow lost at home. It still blows my mind.
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Hold my beer...
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Hold my beer...
yeah, not even close. Michigan's was significantly worse.
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Wisconsin's QB "room" consisted of one player.
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Wisconsin's QB "room" consisted of one player.
cool. look at the stats. not even close. Michigan's pass stats are flat out atrocious. Davis Warren is the worst starting QB in the B1G and perhaps the entire P4 by a country fucking mile and Alex Orji literally cannot throw a forward pass.
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Wisconsin's QB "room" consisted of one player.
If he could throw a forward pass, at least you had one. So then
1 > 0
although neither situation is exactly fun.
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If he could throw a forward pass, at least you had one. So then
1 > 0
although neither situation is exactly fun.
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Oh I feel your pain, but let us know if you had a stat line like this for a game. A whole game lol
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There was one game where Locke had a rating of 18. So yeah.
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Wisconsin and Michigan fans arguing on who has the worst QB's on an Ohio State thread is very on point for this place.
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Wisconsin and Michigan fans arguing on who has the worst QB's on an Ohio State thread is very on point for this place.
We have to keep their thread active since they’re going to be really busy searching for this year’s excuse. Much more difficult than the last few years so they’ll be very busy 😇
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this tweet sums it all up....
https://twitter.com/SmartfootbalI/status/1863054721805676562
In the year since losing to the undefeated Michigan team in Ann Arbor, Ohio State vowed to do everything in their power to return the rivalry back in their favor. This offseason they...
Returned five prominent starters from last years team in TreVeyon Henderson, Emeka Egbuka, JTT, Jack Sawyer, and Denzel Burke
Acquired Will Howard, one of the most productive QBs in the country away from K State
Got Caleb Downs, an All-american level safety from Alabama
Got a 1500 yard SEC rusher in Quinshon Judkins to pair with their other All-american level RB
Got a P5 head coach who nearly won a national championship to resign from his role and take the OC job
Signed the #1 overall recruit in the country who is currently in the midst of a historically great true freshman season
Spent $20 mil, more than any other team in the country, to upgrade their roster and sure up their NIL
They were favored by 19.5 points at home
No Jim Harbaugh. No Jesse Minter. No Connor Stallions. No JJ McCarthy. No Blake Corum. No Mike Sainristil. No Colston Loveland. No Will Johnson.
Michigan threw for 62 yards and turned the ball over twice
They didn't have a single receiver catch more than one pass
AND OHIO STATE STILL couldn't win. All time embarrassing program loss. That's the worst Michigan team in over a decade and this is arguably the most talented Buckeye team in nearly a decade. It will have been over 2,000 days since Ohio State last beat Michigan when they face off in 2025...
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Yes- that was definitely one of the most disappointing games I have watched as a Buckeye fan. For sure in my top 3.
Actually, the “style” of the game was not much of surprise and exactly exactly what I expected. In fact with my buddy in Cleveland, who I text with about the games, we always try to predict the score and I predicted Ohio State winning 17 to 13. Sans the 2 missed field goals, pretty close.
I knew UM would slow this game down into a phone booth. But I definitely thought OSU would be ready for that and scheme around Michigan’s defensive line and leverage their advantages.
First- tip of the hat to Michigan. They earned every bit of that.
A lot to unpack for the Buckeyes. The simple version - if they don’t miss two chip shot field goals, they almost certainly win. If you would have told me they would hold Michigan to 13 points and 9/16 passing for 62 yards, I would have bet a lot on a win.
And I don’t think day came in tight. He was aggressive out of the gate. But once Howard threw that pick that gave UM the ball at the 2, he puckered up badly and so did Chip Kelly. He was probably having flashbacks to last years game.
Continuing to rely on Ohio State’s greatest weakness, which is their offensive line, to run directly into Michigan’s greatest strength, which was their defensive line, was bizarre.
10 of Michigans points came in possessions where they had no first down. And interception and a 31 yard punt. 😂😂
He definitely has a Michigan issue in his head. Pretty good coach otherwise but he will likely never overcome the hole he has dug.
You know in the three years prior to this I felt like Michigan was a really good team and in the two Ann Arbor home games I thought they were the better team. But this was something different.
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What Day’s buyout?
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UW's Locke had more TDs than INTs and a 118 rating.
UM's QBs all together had more INTs than TDs and a 111 rating.
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Locke was better. Terrible, but better.
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whew!, glad that's settled
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If Ohio State decides to fire Day this week, it would cost $37,276,042, as of Dec. 1, 2024. That’s according to information in USA Today’s coaching salary database. It’s the 17th-highest buyout in the country, per USA Today.
that's easily 3 times the NIL $$$ spent this season
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just saw this talked about on a podcast with Andy & Ari…Ohio State’s 2021 class was the #1 class with the #1 player (Ewers) and they signed SEVEN composite five stars and that senior class is now 0-4 vs Michigan. Yikes.
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Continuing to rely on Ohio State’s greatest weakness, which is their offensive line, to run directly into Michigan’s greatest strength, which was their defensive line, was bizarre.
This! I still can’t wrap my head around the thinking that could have possibly lead to it.
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If you fire Day who will you get better than him? That’s a major risk to take.
You picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue if you believe that. No it isn't Hartline played under Tressel,coached under Urban he knows what it takes to prepare and expects performance and he recruited the WR room.Day is a propped up fraud that brought in next to nothing on the lines.Urban in just 7 years(Day is in year 6) had 2 Rimington Award winners on his O-Line alone with many all Big Ten/All-Americans.Cryin' Ryan made massive head wound Harbaugh look like Pop Warner
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Oh I feel your pain, but let us know if you had a stat line like this for a game. A whole game lol
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There was one game where Locke had a rating of 18. So yeah.
LUV IT Bastages and Woefulrines on a Suckeye thread arguing whose QB's tanked more.How much we've all fallen.But hey the beer is staying cold and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas ❆❄❅❆
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Taking all the emotion out of it, not bad to lose the game. They have a good chance at a home game in the playoffs. Of course, major question if they can block anyone in that game.
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Not paying 10.3 million for this ponzi scheme,whack him so the program can start a new
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Got his from another board
It starts at the top so without Day being fired, no other changes matter. Knowles was great before coming to OSU, Chip Kelly was great before coming to OSU and LJ was the best DL coach in NCAA before Day became the HC. Common thread is Day sucks.
Sounds like the other guy i quoted
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But day doesn’t suck. Isn’t he 47-1 against the rest of the conference? I think sometimes fan bases that get accustomed to winning, take for granted how much they win when a coach or player struggles in a key moment. It’s going to happen. You guys haven’t had a Brady Hoke era in like 4 decades so I don’t think Day is that bad. That being said, yesterday was possibly his poorest performance in his career.
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Day is objectively a great coach by every measure. He just seems to have one problem. And at Ohio State that’s a pretty big problem to have.
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Day is objectively a great coach by every measure. He just seems to have one problem. And at Ohio State that’s a pretty big problem to have.
True. He is 1-4 versus the arch rival.
just like Kirby is 1-6 versus his, but Kirby has a Natty.
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UW's Locke had more TDs than INTs and a 118 rating.
UM's QBs all together had more INTs than TDs and a 111 rating.
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Locke was better. Terrible, but better.
It's great to win the tallest midget contest.
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What Day’s buyout?
Half the size of the check A&M wrote recently.
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Hah, Gig'em says that A&M's former AD, is now at Ohio State
good news for Bucks that want Day relieved
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Half the size of the check A&M wrote recently.
Buy the empty vessel out that was never a HC before,just more dissention awaits. The Fans,University and DAY have all bullshitted themselves into thinking he was something he was not - a talented,innovative coach who could lead a Blue Blood to victory against undersourced,undermanned foes. He rode URBZ coattails that much is evident - as the song says "and I'm frightened by those that don't see it"
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It's Monday. I'm still mad.
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Being mad on a Monday is a thing for me.
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Testify Boys Testify
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I'm mad that my driveway is white again!
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Continuing to rely on Ohio State’s greatest weakness, which is their offensive line, to run directly into Michigan’s greatest strength, which was their defensive line, was bizarre.
Michigan kept 3 DBs out of the box pretty much the whole game. I think the idea was to tempt Ohio State to run and quash big passing plays.
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Continuing to rely on Ohio State’s greatest weakness, which is their offensive line, to run directly into Michigan’s greatest strength, which was their defensive line, was bizarre.
You know in the three years prior to this I felt like Michigan was a really good team and in the two Ann Arbor home games I thought they were the better team. But this was something different.
underlined part: just my complete guess here....but Will Howard's coaches probably didn't trust him to throw the ball and especially after he threw two god awful brutal picks. OSU coaches thinking going into that game was probably: as long as we don't turn it over they can't score- their offense is that bad they have zero passing game. Said it in the off-season Howard was a step down from a Year 2 McCord imo.
bolded part: this was definitely something different. Michigan the last 3 years was a legitimately great program. 12+ wins every year, 3 B1G titles, 3 playoff appearances, 1 Natty. Elite OL's, top 10 NFL draft pick QB. This years team was ass. Average OL, atrocious QB, and they were missing by far their best player on offense (Colston) and arguably their best player on defense (Will) and their only big play home run threat on offense (Edwards) got knocked out of the game in the 2nd QTR. With everything Ohio State had coming back, the additions in the portal like Judkins & Downs, and everything they added in a top 5 class (Jeremiah Smith) - that loss at home was seriously inexcusable.
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I too felt McCord was better.
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I too felt McCord was better.
McCord Year 2 in that system and with another set of spring/fall practices- no doubt he would've been better than a Will Howard having to transfer to a new school and trying to pick up an entire new system.
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Howard was great all year. Substantially better than McCord. Like- not even close.
Top 5 at QBR and completion%. He was good for one bad decision per game( and he did it again here from his own 5 yard line- giving UM their only TD).
He wasn’t the same after that hit. I suspect he was seeing stars.
Again- Day came out firing. Not puckering. But that changed after that pick and TD. Him and Kelley puckered badly after that.
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McCord Year 2 in that system and with another set of spring/fall practices- no doubt he would've been better than a Will Howard having to transfer to a new school and trying to pick up an entire new system.
Nope. McCord has a good arm but is a statue and freaks out under pressure. That’s why Will Howard‘s completion percentage in QBR was so much higher than McCords.
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2024 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr)
And this is AFTER this weekend....
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Nope. McCord has a good arm but is a statue and freaks out under pressure. That’s why Will Howard‘s completion percentage in QBR was so much higher than McCords.
Well.. I don't think it's that simple. When you have Egbuka, Smith and Tate to throw to, it's not the same as Meeks, Pena and Gadsden. The receivers with that elite of talent also pad the percentages and stats.
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the copium levels are astounding with these guys...
https://twitter.com/GeneKeselman/status/1863609561610879336
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Ryan Day is now 66-10 at Ohio State. 3 of those 10 losses were to the eventual National Champions (Bama, UGA, Michigan) and 2 of those 3 losses to the National Champs were very close down to the wire finishes.
Vs Non-National Champs the guy is 66-7- so he wins 90.4% of his games vs non-national champs. Yeah, idk how you just go and fire that. I know Ohio State fans are pissed but unless he drops like two more in a row to Michigan or has a sub .500 season, not sure you can really justify just firing a dude with that kind of record.
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story of the game really was the trenches. that's where it's always won/lost. Ohio State OL ran into a brick wall Michigan DL and got nothing. Michigan OL actually held up reasonably well despite not having a threat of a passing game at all vs a stout OSU DL.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1863615861749116951
https://twitter.com/Blue2Bongo/status/1863106977406079099
https://twitter.com/BlueBarronPhoto/status/1863266181244735773
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1863606875746374096
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story of the game really was the trenches. that's where it's always won/lost. Ohio State OL ran into a brick wall Michigan DL and got nothing. Michigan OL actually held up reasonably well despite not having a threat of a passing game at all vs a stout OSU DL.
It also cracks me up - people are saying if you can't beat Michigan this year, then when can you? OSU putting out a bunch of bail wire at Oline against one of the best d lines in the country. Ain't gonna be that way every year. Probably won't be that way next year. OSU fans too emotional about a game that doesn't matter at all except how much attachment you want to give it.
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Well.. I don't think it's that simple. When you have Egbuka, Smith and Tate to throw to, it's not the same as Meeks, Pena and Gadsden. The receivers with that elite of talent also pad the percentages and stats.
McCord’s stats last year weren’t any better when he had Harrison, Ebuka, and Tate to throw too.
He was not much of a leader and that’s well documented whereas Will Howard certainly is. Did you see the game this year where McCord threw five pics?
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It also cracks me up - people are saying if you can't beat Michigan this year, then when can you? OSU putting out a bunch of bail wire at Oline against one of the best d lines in the country.
Very surprised more OSU fans aren't talking about this aspect. You're one of the few I've even heard say it, which I think deserves more conversation. That being said, I thought the O-line was decent in pass protection, which made it even weirder that play calling was centered around trying to win the game in the trenches and running up the middle consistently. They really should have built in the option, spreading the defense, keeping it on the move and throwing down field. OSU didn't have their best o-line, but it also performed well enough that it didn't lose the game.
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Ryan Day is now 66-10 at Ohio State. 3 of those 10 losses were to the eventual National Champions (Bama, UGA, Michigan) and 2 of those 3 losses to the National Champs were very close down to the wire finishes.
Vs Non-National Champs the guy is 66-7- so he wins 90.4% of his games vs non-national champs. Yeah, idk how you just go and fire that. I know Ohio State fans are pissed but unless he drops like two more in a row to Michigan or has a sub .500 season, not sure you can really justify just firing a dude with that kind of record.
Ryan Day never lost to an unranked team let alone an unranked team from Michigan.
I won’t weigh in on whether they should fire him or not. I am wired differently and probably guilty of living in the past.
I’m not “that guy” that wants his coach fired if he doesn’t win the national championship or beat his rival. Yes I would love for them to beat Michigan every year and I would love for them to win the national championship one out of every three years, but that’s just a pipe dream in reality. I just enjoy putting a competitive team on the field that has some serious potential
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Very surprised more OSU fans aren't talking about this aspect. You're one of the few I've even heard say it, which I think deserves more conversation. That being said, I thought the O-line was decent in pass protection, which made it even weirder that play calling was centered around trying to win the game in the trenches and running up the middle consistently. They really should have built in the option, spreading the defense, keeping it on the move and throwing down field. OSU didn't have their best o-line, but it also performed well enough that it didn't lose the game.
Agree. If you watch closely, that’s what they did to start the game. It changed when Will Howard threw that interception which led to Michigan’s easy touchdown. That’s the point in the game where Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, both puckered
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It also cracks me up - people are saying if you can't beat Michigan this year, then when can you? OSU putting out a bunch of bail wire at Oline against one of the best d lines in the country. Ain't gonna be that way every year. Probably won't be that way next year. OSU fans too emotional about a game that doesn't matter at all except how much attachment you want to give it.
this is very true. people are just emotional and pissed right now. I get it. Michigan's QB play and offense going forward should improve drastically next year but at the same time they are about to lose three very high level guys on their DL to the NFL draft- Mason Graham & Kenneth Grant are 1st round locks and Josiah Stewart could potentially join them- I'd be shocked if Stewart lasts past the 2nd rd- and Ohio State's OL situation in terms of depth going forward should improve drastically next year.
And as bad as Michigan has sucked this year- that's been pretty much 100% because of turnovers and their offense. Or lack of an offense I should say. That defense has tons of talent on it even with Will Johnson sitting out for most of the year to protect his NFL draft stock.
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Agree. If you watch closely, that’s what they did to start the game. It changed when Will Howard threw that interception which led to Michigan’s easy touchdown. That’s the point in the game where Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, both puckered
agree. I think they started feeling like they couldn't really trust Howard to throw the ball after that. literally the only way Michigan could win that game was by Howard throwing picks or a big special teams play. Michigan had nothing on offense all game long.
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Continuing to rely on Ohio State’s greatest weakness, which is their offensive line, to run directly into Michigan’s greatest strength, which was their defensive line, was bizarre.
This is the part that bothers me because if you look at the Michigan team, they have exactly one elite unit. Their DL is elite. Every other unit of that team is in a range from pretty good down to comically bad (QB).
Meanwhile, Ohio State's OL was decent in pass protection but not great in run blocking. That situation wasn't Day's fault. It was due to injuries. That said, the response to it absolutely was Day's responsibility and to come out and just say "well, we are going to bang our head into this wall over and over until the wall falls down" was beyond stupid.
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True. He is 1-4 versus the arch rival.
just like Kirby is 1-6 versus his, but Kirby has a Natty.
Day needs the offset that Kirby has.
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Ryan Day is now 66-10 at Ohio State. not sure you can really justify just firing a dude with that kind of record.
Quit pushing for his retention he shat the bed and ignored his number one weapon in the 2nd half and repeatedly ran into M's strength with 3 of the starting linemen out. The sheer weight of talent an rescources provided ensure you'll have a winning record. Gang busters with URBZ guys though. Most expensive coordinator in CFB hopefully soon out of work. You prolly defended Tennessee John before hooking up here
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Here is the problem in a nutshell, points scored this year on Michigan:
- 38 Oregon
- 31 Texas
- 27 Washington
- 24 USC
- 24 Minnesota
- 21 Illinois
- 20 Indiana
- 18 Arkansas State
- 17 Michigan State
- 10 Fresno
- 10 Ohio State
- 6 Northwestern
Compare points allowed to Michigan:
- 7 Illinois
- 12 Texas
- 13 Ohio State
- 15 Indiana
- 17 Oregon
- 24 Michigan State
- 27 USC
- 27 Minnesota
- 27 Washington
- 28 Arkansas State
- 30 Fresno
- 50 Northwestern
Someone on here tried to place blame on Ohio State's defense. Sorry, no. Ohio State's Defense was fine. Looking at Michigan's opponents all season, Ohio State's defense was comparable to Texas and Indiana and better than Oregon. That was one of the best defensive performances against Michigan all year.
The problem is the offense. The ROI is catastrophic there. Ohio State scored less points on Michigan than Arkansas State, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, USC, Washington, Texas, and Oregon. Ohio State probably spent more NIL than all of those combined sans Texas and Oregon.
Davis Warren was 9 of 16 for 62 yards (that is an average of less than 4 yards per passing attempt) and he threw two INT's and we LOST. How is that even possible.
It isn't like the ran all over us either. Michigan averaged 4.2 per carry. That is not good.
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Davis Warren was 9 of 16 for 62 yards (that is an average of less than 4 yards per passing attempt) and he threw two INT's and we LOST. How is that even possible.
Warren was atrocious. If you told me that was his stat line I'd say Michigan lost by 3 TD's. Fortunately for Michigan and unfortunately for Ohio State Will Howard was pretty awful too.
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this explains a lot. this game typically comes down to who rushes for the most yardage. don't have the # off the top of my head but i believe it's the last 25 or 26 games whoever rushes for the most yards has won the game.
edit: these are the rushing stats for the last 4 games combined for each team.
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Very surprised more OSU fans aren't talking about this aspect.
They went away from what moved the ball at the end of the 1st half.Again 4 X J.Smith number was called 3x good things happened.TOSU still could have beat Ms DBs all DAY long with quick slants and fades
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Buckeye fans clamoring for Vrabel on the internets, but Vrabes doesn't seem to be a big fan of coaching the college game. also: he'll get an NFL offer sooner than later if he wants it imo.
https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1862972390818365599
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Very surprised more OSU fans aren't talking about this aspect. You're one of the few I've even heard say it, which I think deserves more conversation. That being said, I thought the O-line was decent in pass protection, which made it even weirder that play calling was centered around trying to win the game in the trenches and running up the middle consistently. They really should have built in the option, spreading the defense, keeping it on the move and throwing down field. OSU didn't have their best o-line, but it also performed well enough that it didn't lose the game.
I think we are not talking about it because of the portion of your post that I bolded.
Do you know how many sacks Michigan had? Zero.
Interestingly, Ohio State didn't have any either but then Michigan only attempted 16 passes so there were not many opportunities.
If this had been a situation like Ohio State's win over IU where the Buckeyes sacked Kurtis Rourke 5 times and the Buckeye DL effectively neutralized IU's passing game then I'd be talking about it. If that were the case, I would agree with @MaximumSam (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1572) 's point that the loss should be attributed to the Buckeye OL being a cobbled together group of backups filling in for NFL bound guys.
I'd look at that situation and think "Ok, we lost because our OL sucks and that isn't entirely Day's fault. The lack of depth is on him but losing multiple starters to injury is going to be difficult for any team."
That wasn't the situation. Ohio State's OL was not effective at run blocking, specifically on inside runs. We all knew before this game started that Michigan's strength was their DL and tOSU's weakness was their OL. That was a matchup problem for Ohio State but the coaching staff made that MUCH worse by putting tOSU's weakness against Michigan's strength repeatedly. Why?
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Buckeye fans clamoring for Vrabel on the internets, but Vrabes doesn't seem to be a big fan of coaching the college game. also: he'll get an NFL offer sooner than later if he wants it imo.
Correct he didn't like recruiting, some of the homer board posters still believe in Santa Claus. Now he would have to deal with NIL and portaling kids. In the League the Front office drafts players whose only choice is to sit if they don't like it.And the F.O. also negotiates the contracts. Hell for one coach that's like 365days a year. Ya Vrabel has enough coin why work 7 days a week for 12 months - if you're going to have a punchers chance
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Do you know how many sacks Michigan had? Zero.
Great point, Howard was getting time not calling Smith's number was beyong ignorant. The only bitch i had was i'd like to have seen Devin Smith get snaps as Howard took a shot and affected his play. Day really !@#$ disgusts me
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I think we are not talking about it because of the portion of your post that I bolded.
Do you know how many sacks Michigan had? Zero.
Interestingly, Ohio State didn't have any either but then Michigan only attempted 16 passes so there were not many opportunities.
If this had been a situation like Ohio State's win over IU where the Buckeyes sacked Kurtis Rourke 5 times and the Buckeye DL effectively neutralized IU's passing game then I'd be talking about it. If that were the case, I would agree with @MaximumSam (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1572) 's point that the loss should be attributed to the Buckeye OL being a cobbled together group of backups filling in for NFL bound guys.
I'd look at that situation and think "Ok, we lost because our OL sucks and that isn't entirely Day's fault. The lack of depth is on him but losing multiple starters to injury is going to be difficult for any team."
That wasn't the situation. Ohio State's OL was not effective at run blocking, specifically on inside runs. We all knew before this game started that Michigan's strength was their DL and tOSU's weakness was their OL. That was a matchup problem for Ohio State but the coaching staff made that MUCH worse by putting tOSU's weakness against Michigan's strength repeatedly. Why?
Michigan didn't get sacks but that is also in part because Will Howard is a mobile QB and well QB's that can run tend to be a little bit harder to get on the ground. Michigan had 21 or 22 QB pressures (per PFF) and they did hit Howard pretty good a few times. I get what you're saying but I also just don't think Howard is that type of QB who can throw you to victory. Homeboy ain't CJ Stroud. Not even in the same universe in terms of spinning that football. Howard attempted 33 passes in the game. How many did you want him to attempt? 50? Ohio State was pretty balanced in terms of pass-run, and typically that's what you want in a game plan unless you have an ELITE passing QB...and well Will Howard is a FAR fucking cry from being an elite passer. He's a likely UDFA, not a top 10 overall pick in an NFL draft.
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they didn't get much push more like zamboni machines than the fearsome foursome
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...and well Will Howard is a FAR fucking cry from being an elite passer.
another gem mined by the dabbler Day,additional dirt to bury him
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https://twitter.com/HookEmLacixoxo/status/1863549828061384783
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVDiFEuOAs
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Quinn Ewers is the only member of the 2021 Ohio State recruiting class to beat Michigan…
well they chickened out in 2020 and had a full pad practice - ya,covid concerns
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I have a great investment strategy. Econ 101. Supply and demand. We should buy these since they aren’t making any more in the future.
(https://i.imgur.com/R2hxEzD.jpeg)
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Bet :D
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Ryan Day never lost to an unranked team let alone an unranked team from Michigan.
He just lost to a team with a QB that threw for 62 yds,2 pix,no TDs. Johnson's out,Loveland's out the only thing M had going was their D-Line VS an injury riddled OSU O-Line. Brainstorming on 3rd and 9 Day/Kelly ran up the middle against 2 guys going high in the next NFL draft. You really cant fix stupid
M had no secondary against one the best if not thee best receiving corp and they run up the middle.Those two douche nozzles are taking like 13 mil per from the University coffers - i expect this chit in Washington
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Hell hath no fury like an Ohio State fan on a 0-4 run against Michigan.
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Last years game going down to the last play wasn't this bad.They don't fire Day I'm working on saturdays next year. If I'm going to get aggitated might as well make some coin on it
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Hell hath no fury like an Ohio State fan on a 0-4 run against Michigan.
last Saturday was a VERY bad loss
no one thought the game would be close
it shouldn't have been
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https://twitter.com/TheSG_Podcast/status/1864063749075656828
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Why did Urban ever leave?
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Why did Urban ever leave?
because Zach Smith beats his ex-wife? Allegedly.
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Why did Urban ever leave?
Kind of asked to leave because of Zack Smith's shenanigans.Urbz can be a scwhanz but his kids could coach better than the dipshit there now
Urban Meyer would be open to coming back as the Buckeyes Head Coach according to Jay Crawford.
Crawford add’s he's not only open but possibly quite interested in returning to the Buckeyes.
BTW thanx for that,Mdot the only bright spot this week
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If Day does leave, I wouldn't mind seeing the Urbz come back, just to see him try to give new cars to guys who knock someone's teeth out in practice
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Cardale Jones says not a chance, Urbs wants nothing to do with the portal/NIL.
https://twitter.com/MaggieGray/status/1863976071487435139
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If Day does leave, I wouldn't mind seeing the Urbz come back, just to see him try to give new cars to guys who knock someone's teeth out in practice
Hard pass for me.
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So we’re through the Urban Meyer phase…
https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/sports/urban-meyer-has-no-interest-in-coaching-ohio-state-again/ (https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/sports/urban-meyer-has-no-interest-in-coaching-ohio-state-again/)
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So we’re through the Urban Meyer phase…
https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/sports/urban-meyer-has-no-interest-in-coaching-ohio-state-again/ (https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/sports/urban-meyer-has-no-interest-in-coaching-ohio-state-again/)
That means he's the next OSU coach.
Take what Meyer says publicly, reverse it 100%, and then you know where he stands.
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That means he's the next OSU coach.
Take what Meyer says publicly, reverse it 100%, and then you know where he stands.
lol.. you have no idea how true that is. Go ask the players that played for him at BGSU & Utah and you'll know the guy blatantly lies to peoples faces, even his players. Great coach, until he's done using the players.
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That means he's the next OSU coach.
Take what Meyer says publicly, reverse it 100%, and then you know where he stands.
exactly my thoughts lol
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Well, Buckeye fandom shits in an uproar. Gotta love it.
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Well, Buckeye fandom shits in an uproar. Gotta love it.
Your fantasy I am guessing. But totally false of course.
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That means he's the next OSU coach.
Take what Meyer says publicly, reverse it 100%, and then you know where he stands.
So you wouldn't believe him if he told you that he's lying?.....me neither
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(https://i.imgur.com/wJRNirN.jpeg)
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Jeem & Sherrone broke the whole damn state...
https://twitter.com/BuckeyeFett/status/1866862330761646460
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Jeem & Sherrone broke the whole damn state...
https://twitter.com/BuckeyeFett/status/1866862330761646460
Is this a joke? Garbage like this is a perfect example of why our system is too damn bloated and tax dollars absolutely wasted. How about proposing absurd laws becomes a felony?
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ended with CJ cause McCord was just OK and Will Howard sucks, but damn they had some good ones for 20 years.
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1866511217210093732
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will it also be a felony to use the "throat slash" gesture or "horns down"??
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Is this a joke? Garbage like this is a perfect example of why our system is too damn bloated and tax dollars absolutely wasted. How about proposing absurd laws becomes a felony?
not a joke. how about just winning at home as a 3 TD favorite vs a team that literally does not have a QB and that literally cannot throw the football....
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ended with CJ cause McCord was just OK and Will Howard sucks, but damn they had some good ones for 20 years.
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1866511217210093732
Damn.. that’s a seriously spoiled run of greatness.
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ended with CJ cause McCord was just OK and Will Howard sucks, but damn they had some good ones for 20 years.
https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/1866511217210093732
2024 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN
(https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr)After the Michigan Debacle- Howard dropped from 4th to 6th in QBR. He is no Stroud by any stretch, but to run a Chip Kelly offense you need a distributor who is efficient. In the top 5 in completion % and yards per pass play. I wonder if that hit he took knocked him silly- he looked solid all year until that last game.
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2024 College Football Season Leaders Total QBR | ESPN
(https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr)After the Michigan Debacle- Howard dropped from 4th to 6th in QBR. He is no Stroud by any stretch, but to run a Chip Kelly offense you need a distributor who is efficient. In the top 5 in completion % and yards per pass play. I wonder if that hit he took knocked him silly- he looked solid all year until that last game.
Stats can be misleading and he has a ton of skill talent at WR & RB to help him carry the load. And despite everyone thinking Ryan Day and Chip Kelly magically all of a sudden suck as offensive coaches- those are two of the greatest offensive minds in the college game today and they've been that for a long time.
Let's see where Will Howard gets drafted. My guess is...he doesn't despite being like 6'5, 240 pounds and somewhat athletic
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FanDuel getting in on the ball busting now....bad idea....Ohio State fans are rabid nutjobs they'll probably have someone in the state legislature try to pass a law banning online/app sports betting.
https://twitter.com/FDSportsbook/status/1866872123194544170
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Stats can be misleading and he has a ton of skill talent at WR & RB to help him carry the load. And despite everyone thinking Ryan Day and Chip Kelly magically all of a sudden suck as offensive coaches- those are two of the greatest offensive minds in the college game today and they've been that for a long time.
Let's see where Will Howard gets drafted. My guess is...he doesn't despite being like 6'5, 240 pounds and somewhat athletic
Well you are proving my point. We already agree he is no Stroud or even close. He might not even get drafted.
But look at any offensive output you want. Scoring, success rate, FPI, Red Zone, etc. you will find Howard and OSU at or near the top. Thats why Day and Kelly picked him. They didn’t have a Stroud available. They wanted a QB who could manage the offense and distribute the ball to the numerous playmakers, efficiently. He hasn’t just been good at that- he has been outstanding. 72% completion rate with 4 or 5 games over 80%. 9.1 yards per pass- again one of the best in the country. He looked like shit in the last game but the OSU QB has looked good in that game for the last few years- and they lost.
The play calling didn’t help him. and we may be overthinking this. If the FG kicker doesn’t miss 2 chip shot FGs ( where he was automatic all season) OSU almost certainly wins the game and the conversation is completely different.
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https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1866862825261646133?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1866862825261646133%7Ctwgr%5E0cb2b7ab4db7cfba1a8623c656af8a4e138a5db8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fohio-state-football%2F2024%2F12%2F151691%2Fohio-state-and-michigan-fans-roast-ohio-lawmaker-who-wants-to-make-flag-planting-at-ohio-stadium-a-felony
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Stats can be misleading and he has a ton of skill talent at WR & RB to help him carry the load. And despite everyone thinking Ryan Day and Chip Kelly magically all of a sudden suck as offensive coaches- those are two of the greatest offensive minds in the college game today and they've been that for a long time.
Let's see where Will Howard gets drafted. My guess is...he doesn't despite being like 6'5, 240 pounds and somewhat athletic
lol.. you're acting like Stroud didn't have a ton of skill talent by only pointing out Howard's skill talent.
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Brian Hartline interviewing for West Virginia HC job. Please hire him West Virginia. Best recruiter those guys have.
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Brian Hartline interviewing for West Virginia HC job. Please hire him West Virginia. Best recruiter those guys have.
Yeah- they can’t keep him forever. By the way- he is one hell of a WR coach in addition to being a great recruiter.
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lol.. you're acting like Stroud didn't have a ton of skill talent by only pointing out Howard's skill talent.
Oh so Stroud didn't throw for over 4,000 yds becoming the 5th rookie ever to do so? Stroud became the sixth player to record at least 450 passing yards, five touchdowns and zero interceptions in a game. There's more but you get the point. And IMHO that hit on Howard definitely effected him as they moved the ball well before the end of the half
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https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1866880726953754857
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1866910727761522986
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You Michigan facks(Porntoy) are truly delusional what 2 wins over 19 seasons and now you're Jimmy Johnsons 'Boys Of course everyone get 4 coaches fired in one calender year and the HC asks for contractual protection should pending prosecution rear it's ugly head before bolting. Hiding a gun toting team captains offense until after the season it all sounds like NCAA guidelines
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is this real or AI? just another game Ryan....sounds like that hick RichRod who just didn't get it. it ain't another game, it's the only game.
https://twitter.com/REALDonThomas/status/1868661834448007328
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I was hoping for Hartline as OC in Madison.
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I was hoping for Hartline as OC in Madison.
I mean don’t get me wrong he’s a crack WR coach and ace recruiter, but can he actually design and scheme an offense and call plays? I don’t know if Wisconsin wants to take a flier on a guy who has never done that before.
Hartline feels like to me that he’s limited himself by staying at Ohio State for so long. He needed to go be an OC somewhere small then maybe get an HC job in the MAC or MWC or FCS then try to be an OC or HC at a P4. Feels like he’s hurt his future career prospects and his trajectory by staying put at Ohio State.
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You're probably right. He needs to get out of Columbus.
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You're probably right. He needs to get out of Columbus.
if he wants to advance his career and fast track to a head coaching gig he needed to leave yesterday. longer he stays in Columbus the worse his prospects get to be a HC imo.
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is this real or AI? just another game Ryan....sounds like that hick RichRod who just didn't get it. it ain't another game, it's the only game.
it's what you call it when ya lose a couple
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Not sure why Day announced Devin Smith is the back up if he's hitting the Portal after the season .Why not give Julian Sayin or Lincoln Klienholz some snaps. I've felt Smith should have gotten more snaps all along. Unless Day realizes that Devin Smith might be his only real chance to save his skin behind Howard
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According to CBS Sports
College Football Top 150 Players of 2024
22. Kyle McCord, QB, Syracuse
McCord thrived in his first season at Syracuse after being limited at Ohio State. He led the country in passing with more than 4,300 yards, averaging over 360 yards per game. With a strong arm and the ability to get the ball out on time, McCord has shown significant growth. If he can limit turnovers, he has the potential to rise further, as does Syracuse, which appears to be trending in the right direction -- though many peg McCord as likely to enter the 2025 NFL Draft. We'll see.
Better win it all Ryan baby
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According to CBS Sports
College Football Top 150 Players of 2024
22. Kyle McCord, QB, Syracuse
McCord thrived in his first season at Syracuse after being limited at Ohio State. He led the country in passing with more than 4,300 yards, averaging over 360 yards per game. With a strong arm and the ability to get the ball out on time, McCord has shown significant growth. If he can limit turnovers, he has the potential to rise further, as does Syracuse, which appears to be trending in the right direction -- though many peg McCord as likely to enter the 2025 NFL Draft. We'll see.
Better win it all Ryan baby
Nah. After watching McCord throw 5 picks in one game, including 3 pick sixes, I decided you were right last season when you were bad mouthing McCord all season.
He is a better fit at Cuse. He is a statue and no run threat, and they don’t mind his picks. Plus, they were willing to guarantee him a starting role and more NIL money, which obviously Ohio State was not.
Howard is a much better fit at OSU. A much higher QBR, completion % ( top 3 in CFB in both) and a true mobile QB.
Ryan has no worries. Best winning % of coaches still coaching, and he has already beaten 3 playoff teams this season.
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Nah. After watching McCord throw 5 picks in one game, including 3 pick sixes, I decided you were right last season when you were bad mouthing McCord all season.
Bastage - I didn't think anyone would remember. Ya He threw UM a gift right from the start ,he didn't check down or look off just hit Johnson between the numbers. This is where Mdot jumps in and insists it was a great read and incredible pick Woodson,Prime Time,Sean Taylor or Champ Bailey couldn't have made
:)
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Bastage - I didn't think anyone would remember. Ya He threw UM a gift right from the start ,he didn't check down or look off just hit Johnson between the numbers. This is where Mdot jumps in and insists it was a great read and incredible pick Woodson,Prime Time,Sean Taylor or Champ Bailey couldn't have made
:)
😂😂😂😂
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it's what you call it when ya lose a couple
It was the be all end all back when the best you could do was win the Rose Bowl. You had to beat them in order to get there.
No reason for OSU to be worried about the Wolverines right now. They aren't in the playoffs.
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https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ohio-state/2024/12/28/briggs-kirk-her...
Briggs: Kirk Herbstreit misses the mark in his condescending war with Ohio State fans
DAVID BRIGGS
The Blade
dbriggs@theblade.com
Dec 28, 2024
7:23 PM
LOS ANGELES — The first time I heard ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit brand the Ohio State fans who wanted to run coach Ryan Day out of town as the lunatic fringe, it was at a charity dinner last spring in Maumee.
“The 15 percenters, they get mad at anything,” Herbstreit said in an interview at The Pinnacle. “That percent is going to be mad at something always. [Day] could win the Michigan game, go to the playoff, and lose, and they’ll be mad about that.
“That group is just a bunch of jackasses who kind of embarrass all of us as Ohio State fans. So I don’t really care, honestly, what that group thinks.”
It was a good point … the first thousand times.
I think we get it.
A gentle suggestion: Let it go.
It is condescending and misguided.
The former Ohio State quarterback has taken now to conflating any supporter who believes Day belongs on the hot seat with being a bad fan, as if it defies belief the subjects could question their liege lord over something as small as being 0-for-the-Biden-Administration in wins against Michigan and Big Ten championships.
You may have heard his latest round of jabs during the ABC broadcast of the Buckeyes’ playoff-opening beatdown of Tennessee. On whether the performance would soften the blow of the loss to Michigan, he said: “I can’t speak on behalf of the lunatic fringe, I’m not sure how they operate. The lunatic fringe at Ohio State is as powerful as anywhere in the country. … I don’t know. I’m sure they’ll be happy — be fired up about what this Ohio State team did. But God forbid they lose to Oregon. They may want to fire [Day] again.”
And so it went … and went.
Now, a couple questions here:
Who’s going to break it to Herbie that Ohio State’s reputed fringe of crazies — as in those who put the burden of proof on Day this postseason — is now very much the lunatic mainstream? (The 25,000-plus Tennessee fans at the Horseshoe placed Day’s approval rating somewhere between parking cop and John Cooper circa 1997.)
Also, has he considered why he makes a reported $18 million per year to talk about … football?
Hint: It’s because of many of the same fans suddenly catching his strays. It’s their passion that fuels this entire fantasyland.
Of course, Ohio State has a lunatic fringe, not to be confused with its joyless or garden-variety whackos (that’s another topic). The sliver of looneys who harass or threaten players or coaches in any way belong in the bin or prison.
I should also say: This is not to pile on Herbstreit. I’ve always liked him. He’s a good analyst, and, from my experience, a good guy. (By the way, when Herbstreit joined Jim Tressel for the dinner here last year to benefit the Historic South Initiative, both men declined a speaking fee.)
Clearly, this is personal. Herbstreit is close to Day — his son is a walk-on tight end for the Buckeyes — and has a well-documented history with Ohio State fans. He moved his family from Columbus to Nashville in 2011 in part to escape the loudest of them.
Still, his continued sarcastic and patronizing digs at anyone who holds a different opinion is bizarre.
It’s OK for reasonable people to disagree.
It’s perfectly valid to begin and end the case for Day with his 67-10 record, and conclude his job security should not be a conversation.
It’s also perfectly fair to think it is.
My suspicion: Ohio State beats Oregon. But let’s suppose it doesn’t.
The Buckeyes would be 11-3 with the best team $20 million can buy — even Nick Saban said they have the best roster in the country — and Day’s scarlet letter against Michigan would still be visible from the space station.
At some point, just as it did a couple years too late with Cooper, Ohio State will have to ask: What does all the talent matter if it can’t pass the exams that comprise the majority of its grade?
If fans are waiting to see on Day, it’s not because they think he’s a bad guy or have — as Saban put it — a “psychotic obsession with Michigan.” (Let’s not put their obsession so mildly!)
They merely have expectations befitting of what is asked of them — the face value for a ticket to the Michigan game in the last row of the upper deck: $299 — and believe to whom everything is given, something more is required.
That’s not a fringe opinion.
And to those calling for perspective, buddy, where have you been?
That ship sailed just behind the Mayflower. There is no perspective.
Consider: Ohio State president Ted Carter leads a top national university. He oversees 65,000 students, 35,000 employees, and a $10 billion budget.
Day leads a football team. He oversees about 160 players and coaches and support staff, and a $72 million budget.
Day is paid $10 million per year.
Carter is paid $1.1 million.
An oncologist at the school’s world-renowned hospital makes a fraction of that.
Major college athletics is the Land of Make Believe, and it’s the fans and the passion and the debate that make the entire enterprise go.
Herbstreit could do worse than remember why he has such a lucrative job covering football in the first place.
It’s not because people have mild interest and lukewarm opinions.
He knows that better than anyone.
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Well said. He was unbearable to listen to during the Tennessee game.
Reasonable people can disagree.
The article did get one thing wrong though- and it is a very common error:
Day’s team crushed UM in his very first try.
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Here's a question, we all recognize OSU as the most consistent program out there over the decades, their worst three year span is not that bad. My question is whether they also have had the most "Almost" seasons, like 1997 I think it was, where they had a dominant team that COULD have won it all, but fell short by "that much". I'd include the game where I went to bed convinced UGA had lost recently. My dim impression is they have had more Almost Seasons than anyone else.
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I'd suggest they fire Day and see if they can improve significantly on their worst 3 year span - Worser
give the opportunity for Ryan Day to become your Frank Solich
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The article did get one thing wrong though- and it is a very common error:
Day’s team crushed UM in his very first try.
Well it was URBZ team on loan
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Well it was URBZ team on loan
No. Urbz borrowed Day and his playbook for his wins against UM in 17, 18 and 19.
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so '12/'13'/'14-NC'/15 streak vs M doesn't count? Or the FLA teams performances w/o Ryan? Day didn't shread anyone until he got to C-Bus. Difference was lineman Day was infatuated with QBs/WRs and forgot about the trenches - Depth. Billy Price and Pat Elfein who URBZ recruited won Rimingtons in '16 & '17
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so '12/'13'/'14-NC'/15 streak vs M doesn't count? Or the FLA teams performances w/o Ryan? Day didn't shread anyone until he got to C-Bus. Difference was lineman Day was infatuated with QBs/WRs and forgot about the trenches - Depth. Billy Price and Pat Elfein who URBZ recruited won Rimingtons in '16 & '17
No doubt. But- the world was catching up to Urbz offense.
do you remember the 2016 Michigan versus Ohio Ohio State game? Michigan would have won that game had they had a decent quarterback Ohio State had virtually no passing game.
They went to play Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl and got embarrassed 31 to nothing because Clemson knew all they had to do was play the run in Ohio. Ohio State could not pass the ball.
Urbz had to modernize. Went and got Day.
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Modernize???Might want to look up what URBZ did in BG and UTAH before ya know winning a couple of NCs before he got to C-Bus. Criteria for a successful season #1 is beat M #2 win the BIG and #3 win the Natty. If OSU loses to M it typically means #2 is not an option and thus only a Natty can redeem the season. Booger just won an NC, so much for Modern I guess. Day hasn't won a Conference Championship since the last of URBZ talent trickled out of town.
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No doubt. But- the world was catching up to Urbz offense.
do you remember the 2016 Michigan versus Ohio Ohio State game? Michigan would have won that game had they had a decent quarterback Ohio State had virtually no passing game.
J. T. Barrett, with 2,555 passing yards and 24 touchdowns.
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So that’s why Urban called OSU’s passing game “ a fricken clown show” after the 16 season and embarrassing ass kicking from Clemson in the CFP?
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The embarrassment came with Joe Burrow and Dwayne haskins on the bench the next year.It was assinine for him to hand the job back to JTB.But that was an error in personell not play calling.I swear Barret had URBZ party pictures and many of us got a time out on 11 Warriors for bringing it up.....repeatedly
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Ohio State has been playing murder-ball so far in the playoffs. I didn't watch but just a few of their games this year, but I found myself asking where has that team been all year? Seems to me the answer is the sudden transformation of Howard. When I've watched them, I mostly shook my head at Howard and I've texted our board-absentee Buckeyecraaazy that I don't know about that kid. I've said it more than once, and imo, it's the biggest factor for why the Buckeyes didn't look better in wins, why they lost to Oregon the first time, and why they lost to Michigan.
But holy cow, he's looked much better in the playoffs, and its unlocked the incredible potential of the rest of the team.
Ohio State may win a NC, but now I just feel like Buckeye fans would be justified to feel even more irritated about losing to Michigan and not winning the B1G. Despite the great talent Michigan has at spots, this Buckeye team absolutely should not have lost to this Michigan team, and the question is why didn't Howard find this footing earlier?
I've been absent since prior to the holidays, but I think I mentioned here I didn't think Tennessee was that great and I thought OSU would win. However, TN wasn't a bad team, and the way OSU treated them like Directional U was quite something. Then they proceed to beast-whip Oregon to the point where I considered calling local police to investigate Jeremiah Smith and the entire Buckeye defense for manslaughter. This is a different animal, and to my casual eye, the difference is the play of Will Howard. He's gone from "How did you get a scholarship at OSU?" to "Good lord, kid, slow down."
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Ohio State has been playing murder-ball so far in the playoffs. I didn't watch but just a few of their games this year, but I found myself asking where has that team been all year? Seems to me the answer is the sudden transformation of Howard. When I've watched them, I mostly shook my head at Howard and I've texted our board-absentee Buckeyecraaazy that I don't know about that kid. I've said it more than once, and imo, it's the biggest factor for why the Buckeyes didn't look better in wins, why they lost to Oregon the first time, and why they lost to Michigan.
But holy cow, he's looked much better in the playoffs, and its unlocked the incredible potential of the rest of the team.
Ohio State may win a NC, but now I just feel like Buckeye fans would be justified to feel even more irritated about losing to Michigan and not winning the B1G. Despite the great talent Michigan has at spots, this Buckeye team absolutely should not have lost to this Michigan team, and the question is why didn't Howard find this footing earlier?
I've been absent since prior to the holidays, but I think I mentioned here I didn't think Tennessee was that great and I thought OSU would win. However, TN wasn't a bad team, and the way OSU treated them like Directional U was quite something. Then they proceed to beast-whip Oregon to the point where I considered calling local police to investigate Jeremiah Smith and the entire Buckeye defense for manslaughter. This is a different animal, and to my casual eye, the difference is the play of Will Howard. He's gone from "How did you get a scholarship at OSU?" to "Good lord, kid, slow down."
The difference isn’t that drastic.
He had just as good of a game against Oregon the first time around. Statistically, better.
They just didn’t play good defense that day and also had 2 turnovers ( 1 fumble deep in their own side that led to an Oregon TD from a short field, and a fluky kickoff/ onside kick that was actually more of a hard-rocket squib that hit the OSU player in the chest)
But all people remember is his slide at the end as time expired. But he got the ball down 1, with 1:47 left and drove them right down the field and into FG range at the Oregon 20 yard line. But then they called that WEIRD OPI on Smith. Then Lanning ran his smart 12 men on the field scam which took 10 seconds off the clock, and that was it.
Howard has been in the top 2-5 all season in QBR and completion %. He did have an occasional bad decision/interception now and then- averaged about 1 per game. ( same as most good QBs)
His only really bad game of course was Michigan. He threw an early pick which gave UM their only TD that day. Props to UM- they baited him.
But he is famous for bouncing back when he makes a bad play. A drive or 2 later he got drilled in the head. Had to leave the game and never looked the same after he came back. Again- props to UM.
But he was recruited to be a game manager and distribute the ball to his weapons. Truthfully- he has been great at that all season. Accurate and efficient with few mistakes.
The thing that might be different now- which makes him look better- is more aggressive offensive game plans and play calling. Remember- OSU was very good running the ball until they lost their projected 1st round LT( Josh Simmons) and their Rimington Awarded best Center- Seth Mcgaughlin. Howard has had to work around that and has been asked to do more.
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If you say so. Like I said, I haven't watched but a few Ohio St. games, and some of those not even the whole way through.
Beyond the numbers, though, Howard was just too derpy for my comfort in the games I saw. He looked much better in the playoffs so far. If he's able to keep that up, Texas certainly has their work cut out for them.
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If you say so. Like I said, I haven't watched but a few Ohio St. games, and some of those not even the whole way through.
Beyond the numbers, though, Howard was just too derpy for my comfort in the games I saw. He looked much better in the playoffs so far. If he's able to keep that up, Texas certainly has their work cut out for them.
Well, he is 0-3 against Texas in his career, so I suppose something has got to give.
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Wow, and that's with UT's Achilles Heel, KSU, at his disposal. I suppose there really is NO WAY the Buckeyes can beat Texas.
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Wow, and that's with UT's Achilles Heel, KSU, at his disposal. I suppose there really is NO WAY the Buckeyes can beat Texas.
Ha!
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Wow, and that's with UT's Achilles Heel, KSU, at his disposal. I suppose there really is NO WAY the Buckeyes can beat Texas.
Thank You kind sir
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doooomed
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Evidently Buckeye DC Jim Knowles to Oklahoma has been getting a lot of traction out on the interweb many sources reporting
https://soonerswire.usatoday.com/2025/01/18/oklahoma-sooners-football-jim-knowles-brent-venables-ryan-day-defensive-coordinator/
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Evidently Buckeye DC Jim Knowles to Oklahoma has been getting a lot of traction out on the interweb many sources reporting
https://soonerswire.usatoday.com/2025/01/18/oklahoma-sooners-football-jim-knowles-brent-venables-ryan-day-defensive-coordinator/
doesn't make sense and seems like a step down in career. is there something i am missing? is Knowles from Oklahoma or an OU grad or is he tight with Venables? only way that makes sense.
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doesn't make sense and seems like a step down in career. is there something i am missing? is Knowles from Oklahoma or an OU grad or is he tight with Venables? only way that makes sense.
Knowles girlfriend is from an area close to Oklahoma...
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How the hell did I miss this
TreVeyon Henderson, 667 touches in his career at Ohio State, zero fumbles. Jeebis