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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on September 23, 2024, 04:42:06 PM
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Noon kickoff.
Sherrone Moore says Alex Orji is QB1 going forward, he also said that Kalel Mullings has proven he should be "the guy" at RB (sorry Dono).
Michigan is an 8.5 pt favorite and the O/U is 38.5.
Michigan coming off a huge gut check 4th QTR win vs #13 USC, Minnesota coming off a beat down at home at the hands of Iowa. Also kinda wild that Minnesota lost to UNC at home considering UNC just got 70 hung on them by James Madison at home and lost by 20 points.
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Call me crazy and I'm not a betting man, but that line looks low.
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Call me crazy and I'm not a betting man, but that line looks low.
well it is always hard to predict how 18-22 year olds (or in Utah, Okie State, or Miami's case 30 year old QB's and TE's) will perform week to week- and Michigan is coming off the sugar high of a big win at home vs a top 15 ranked team and Minnesota is kind of licking their wounds after being hammered at home by Iowa. Minnesota could just come out swinging saying we can't let that happen again and Michigan could just come out lackadaisical going through the motions....it happens.
Michigan also has zero passing game and Vegas is going to bake that into all their Michigan lines, as less passing typically = less scoring.
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Minny is pretty limited offensively. But so is Michigan.
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Minny is pretty limited offensively. But so is Michigan.
offense? what is this offense you speak of?
hey, who needs offense when you have Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Josiah Stewart, and Will Johnson?
https://twitter.com/_RyanFowler_/status/1837615479478767899
https://twitter.com/MGoJDBlue/status/1745577008661242288
https://twitter.com/NFL_DF/status/1838247222216986867
https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/1838242901249101955
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Miami's case 30 year old QB's
Jeebis can ya wait until Cleveland has him for a yr until passing judgement???
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Mangy gophers can't have it.
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I feel like this would be a good week to give Oriji some work in the pass game and maybe experiment with Donovan Edwards at WR. I’m all for turning DE into a Curtis Samuel/Percy Harvin type hybrid. I firmly believe that is his best and highest use and his skill set fits that mold far more than it does an in between the tackles every down running back.
Edwards just doesn’t read the gaps and cut back lanes like an elite RB should and his running style is more finesse and speed than it is run through a motherfuckers face. Edwards doesn’t have great contact balance and he goes down way too easily, he’s just not big and strong enough to run through tackles and break them.
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offense? what is this offense you speak of?
hey, who needs offense when you have Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Josiah Stewart, and Will Johnson?
I can definitely see Michigan pulling the Iowa a few times this season where the defense scores more than the offense. I could definitely see that in this game. Minny gave up a bunch of rushing yards to Iowa, but has otherwise been pretty stout defensively. Could we see these teams combine for fewer than 100 yards passing?
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Edwards just doesn’t read the gaps and cut back lanes like an elite RB should
This exactly. When he's in the open field, he's dynamic, but he really doesn't understand the gaps and lanes, at all. It's been even more noticeable after watching Mullings, who surprisingly reads them very well.
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I can definitely see Michigan pulling the Iowa a few times this season where the defense scores more than the offense. I could definitely see that in this game. Minny gave up a bunch of rushing yards to Iowa, but has otherwise been pretty stout defensively. Could we see these teams combine for fewer than 100 yards passing?
I hope that Michigan can get some big plays going in the passing game but not counting on it.
If Minnesota is able to pass the ball it’ll be because of miscommunications between the CB and safeties and blown coverages by Makari Paige. That was a real problem that reared it’s ugly head vs USC.
If Makari Paige has another game as awful as he played vs USC might be time for him to hit the bench. Which is crazy because he’s been a really good player the past couple seasons. I think not having Rod Moore at free safety back there playing center fielder and being the QB of the defense and calling all the coverages and getting players lined up is really hurting them. That injury to Rod Moore was probably the one injury they couldn’t afford other than Will Johnson.
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This exactly. When he's in the open field, he's dynamic, but he really doesn't understand the gaps and lanes, at all. It's been even more noticeable after watching Mullings, who surprisingly reads them very well.
it’s not that surprising that Mullings can read them when you think about it….he played LB’er for so long at both HS and college level. He understands defensive fronts and run fits and how defenses attack gaps- he has an idea where the LB’s/Safeties will flow. He just reads it perfectly. Edwards? Even on lot of his big runs he’s running straight ahead into his OL then bouncing off them and breaking it outside for a big gain. If the play isn’t designed specifically for a specific gap and blocked perfectly, Edwards isn’t getting more than 1 or 2 yards.
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Michigan 34, Minnesota 10
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If the Michigan OC is competent, he's going to feed the Gophers a steady diet of counters, trap, and misdirection that gets the defensive front going the wrong way. That's what Iowa killed them with in the second half, and that's what I'm expecting lots of Saturday.
Gopher offense? Puhlease. PJ goes turtle in spots like this, taking no risks as a gigantic underdog.
Yours truly will be in AA on Saturday, so if anyone else is there shoot me a PM and I'll try to say hi.
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not only does Orji need to get much better in the pass game he needs to get better in his reads in the run game...
Mullings is off for a huge gain or 6 if he gives here instead of pulls...
https://twitter.com/maka_difference/status/1838445665703141436
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This is what I mean. This is not a good Michigan team. It's not a bad Michigan team. But even a down year helmet school should be doing what Michigan is doing this year in the NIL/transfer portal era. There should be like 15 schools that are allowed to fire their coach and get out of their contract if they can't win 8 games. A whatever Michigan team should go at least 8-4, and probably 9-3/10-2
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Performance and non-performance need to be written into contracts.
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Performance and non-performance need to be written into contracts.
I wouldn't go that far. Tigers paid Javy Baez a shit ton of money, and got way better once they booted him. But at least the contract was the contract
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This is what I mean. This is not a good Michigan team. It's not a bad Michigan team. But even a down year helmet school should be doing what Michigan is doing this year in the NIL/transfer portal era. There should be like 15 schools that are allowed to fire their coach and get out of their contract if they can't win 8 games. A whatever Michigan team should go at least 8-4, and probably 9-3/10-2
this is likely a 10-2 type playoff team if they had an actual QB.
unfortunately, no QB.
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this is likely a 10-2 type playoff team if they had an actual QB.
unfortunately, no QB.
Put Jadyn Davis in. What could it hurt?
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Put Jadyn Davis in. What could it hurt?
he flat out ain’t ready.
No need to rush an 18 year old true frosh and have his confidence broken.
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well the weasels squeeze one out
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well the weasels squeeze one out
this is just who they are. they are gonna play on the razors edge all god damn season long because they can’t pass the football.
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Try following the Browns,that was uncalled for i apologize
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Try following the Browns,that was uncalled for i apologize
Their QB might be named Orji, but he isn't a rapist
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Nothing like having the refs incentivized to protect one team's record.
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Their QB might be named Orji, but he isn't a rapist
he asks for permission before the Orji commences. Deshaun could learn a lesson or two. Or like 45 now.
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Nothing like having the refs incentivized to protect one team's record.
PUHHHLEASE don’t even get me started on the fucking refs. 10 of Minnesota’s points were complete and utter bullshit aided by the refs.
Minnesota TE didn’t catch the ball before the half, the ball hit the ground and they ruled it a catch which allowed them to sneak off that FG.
And then Minnesota got a free set of downs and 1st and goal off a BULLSHIT personal foul hands to the face phantom call on Mason Graham on 4th and 11 in which Graham blew up the play and caused the turnover on downs.
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this is likely a 10-2 type playoff team if they had an actual QB.
unfortunately, no QB.
I don’t know man. This defense looked very soft today. They got blown up by Texas. This is a mediocre Michigan team.
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I don’t know man. This defense looked very soft today. They got blown up by Texas. This is a mediocre Michigan team.
Wink is a problem for sure.
But the defense is not being helped out by an offense that is just…putrid.
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PUHHHLEASE don’t even get me started on the fucking refs. 10 of Minnesota’s points were complete and utter bullshit aided by the refs.
Minnesota TE didn’t catch the ball before the half, the ball hit the ground and they ruled it a catch which allowed them to sneak off that FG.
And then Minnesota got a free set of downs and 1st and goal off a BULLSHIT personal foul hands to the face phantom call on Mason Graham on 4th and 11 in which Graham blew up the play and caused the turnover on downs.
We can nitpick calls all game. Michigan got the benefit of the doubt on a bunch of calls....including an out of bounds interception.
You can disagree all you want.....but the offsides call on that kickoff was complete nonsense. Go figure......refs protecting Michigan. What's new?
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We can nitpick calls all game. Michigan got the benefit of the doubt on a bunch of calls....including an out of bounds interception.
You can disagree all you want.....but the offsides call on that kickoff was complete nonsense. Go figure......refs protecting Michigan. What's new?
I actually don’t disagree with this. I turned to my wife after that call and said “apparently Vegas doesn’t want Michigan to lose.”
i thought some of the calls were made to keep it close, but this final call was made to ensure a Michigan win: felt gross
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Michigan tried and tried to give the jug to the Gophers only to have a ref save their ass.
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Michigan tried and tried to give the jug to the Gophers only to have a ref save their ass.
hopefully this is the worst they play all season in conference play…
they started out great in the first half vs USC and Minnesota and just kind of fell apart in both second half’s. Which is crazy considering Michigan the past 3 seasons was such a dominating 2nd half team and it’s the first half where they had trouble getting it going.
I think this points to poor coaching and bad second half adjustments. They flat out just don’t have the level of co-ordinators and position coaches they used to. Especially on defense. Mike McDonald is an NFL head coach. Jesse Minter is a rising star in the NFL and soon to be NFL head coach. Steve Clinkscale might’ve been the best DB coach in America. Mike Elston might’ve been the best DL coach.
They flat out just don’t have that level of coaching on defense. Wink is 100 years old and washed and was run out of the NFL. The DB and DL coaches ain’t Clink or Elston. Those dudes were special at developing talent and teaching their position groups.
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hopefully this is the worst they play all season in conference play…
they started out great in the first half vs USC and Minnesota and just kind of fell apart in both second half’s. Which is crazy considering Michigan the past 3 seasons was such a dominating 2nd half team and it’s the first half where they had trouble getting it going.
I think this points to poor coaching and bad second half adjustments. They flat out just don’t have the level of co-ordinators and position coaches they used to. Especially on defense. Mike McDonald is an NFL head coach. Jesse Minter is a rising star in the NFL and soon to be NFL head coach. Steve Clinkscale might’ve been the best DB coach in America. Mike Elston might’ve been the best DL coach.
They flat out just don’t have that level of coaching on defense. Wink is 100 years old and washed and was run out of the NFL. The DB and DL coaches ain’t Clink or Elston. Those dudes were special at developing talent and teaching their position groups.
Agree on the coaching. Found myself wishing Alabama’s OC, Nick Sheridan, was Michigan’s OC while watching that game. But Orji doesn’t have Milroe’s tools. Back to thinking Michigan is a 6-6 team this year:
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Michigan positives for this game:
1. Michigan passing yards increases 267%
2. Special teams looked good.
3. Defense still looked elite sans Johnson.
4. Field and ball was slippery from the rain.
5. Check to refs cleared.
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Agree on the coaching. Found myself wishing Alabama’s OC, Nick Sheridan, was Michigan’s OC while watching that game. But Orji doesn’t have Milroe’s tools. Back to thinking Michigan is a 6-6 team this year:
Orji has nowhere near the burst or top end speed of Milroe. That’s for damn sure. And Milroe sucks as an overall passer but he actually throws a great deep ball. Orji can’t throw anything and he’s like a 4.6 guy. Milroe is a 4.4 or better guy- he’s silly fast for a QB.
Kirk Campbell and Wink have to get the axe at the end of the year or Sherrone will be doomed going forward imo. Nick Sheridan needs to be the first call made for OC and Dave Arranda the first call for DC.
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last week Orji had Semaj Morgan in the slot wide open for a TD up the seam, Morgan cooked the USC CB so bad he was wide open by 10 yards- Orji didn't even look at him on the play. Instead Orji double clutched it, stares down the middle of the field and then he actually climbs up the pocket into a sack instead of breaking the pocket.
this week, Orji had Donovan Edwards going in motion out of the backfield to the outside and wide open by 10 yards for a walk-in TD and Orji doesn't even look his way- stares down Colston Loveland for a seam route down the middle of the field and not only does he stare him down he throws it late and throws a floater for an INT. Loveland needs to fight for the ball better and play defense there- but Orji made a poor throw and it's made worse by the fact that he had Edwards wide open all alone on the backside on a wheel route for a walk in TD.
QB play is BAD right now....but still an improvement over Davis Warren who threw an INT every 5 attempts.
https://twitter.com/Jsaxe/status/1840098184594395426
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but the offsides call on that kickoff was complete nonsense. Go figure......refs protecting Michigan. What's new?
The ball was definately out ahead of the gopher BUT i'm not sure the ball went 10 yrs before it may have grazed a gopher That was hard to pick out of the background in the video
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coach said the ref told him that the player "broke the plane" on the kickoff
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Following the contest, the Big Ten did not acknowledge that the original call was incorrect. The conference did change their lineup for future onside kicks, as the Big Ten announced that officiating crews will now position the line judge and head line judge "on the restraining line of the kicking team." The Big Ten added that this change "thereby puts multiple officials in the best position to consistently make the correct judgement." The change, first reported by ESPN, was approved by the NCAA.
The Big Ten noted in its statement that offside penalties are not reviewable by replay. Minnesota was happy with the change, although the result was not what the Gophers had wanted.
"We submitted the play to the Big Ten Coordinator of Officials for review," Minnesota coach P.J. Fleck said in a statement. "The Coordinator informed us the play was too tight to flag. We credit the Big Ten Conference for recognizing the need to make this change to ensure accurate calls in the future."
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Conference changing their ref positioning after screwing this one up
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41539459/big-ten-alters-onside-kick-officiating-wake-minnesota-mich-ending
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Conference changing their ref positioning after screwing this one up
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41539459/big-ten-alters-onside-kick-officiating-wake-minnesota-mich-ending
That's the effing problem why isn't it reviewable?They have the technology not the common sense making asinine waivers like that. It's the knotheads in charge don't how to impliment it
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That's the effing problem why isn't it reviewable?They have the technology not the common sense making asinine wavers like that. It's the knotheads in charge don't how to impliment it
They would need to put a camera on the kickoff line. The TV camera was off axis towards the middle of the field.
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yes, it's off axis, but still good enuff angle to review the call and get it right
imo
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They would need to put a camera on the kickoff line. The TV camera was off axis towards the middle of the field.
In one article they said they were putting officials on the line. Damn after all of these yrs I thought they already had done that. I have long held the belief than any call should be reversible that could damage the credibility of the out come. Too much time is put in by players and coaches even fan viewing to botch this stuff considering the cash it brings in. It's not complicated just idiocy at the top.
Very simple solution IMO each team be given a flag for every quarter while plays are reviewed then quickly station break for sponsors. That's the crap that's dragging games to 4 hrs and beyond. Doing so would facilitate play and the advertisors/sponsers obligations would be met. How many times or long is ONE play or even injury being viewed? The audience doesn't need to wait in the dulldrums - break for a commercial then/there and meet that obligation. But no-o-o they just hover around minutes hanging in limbo before play is restarted.
That was a tough call to make from what I saw the ball was ahead of the most forward player. What wasn't clear if it made the 10 yds bouncing thru 3-4 Gopghers w/o them touching it. That's what was hard to weed thru and pick out
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great put another one of the 3 blind mice on the line
and still can't review it to get it right?
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Camera,fine get'er done
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It's absurd they don't have the cameras. I have 14 different cameras that operate the exterior and interior of my house and technology is so advanced that it was not expensive. Them not having it, imo, is purposeful. Controversy and bad calls is good for media attention, press and people talking about it days later. It's either that or Vegas needs the intentional vagueness sometimes.
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I would be a lot angrier about it had the Gophers not spotted Michigan two point-blank TDs. Take care of those and this is a very different ball game at the end.
Also, networks already have a small camera in a pylon that goes with the line-to-gain. It shouldn't be a problem to put the pylon on the 45 for a kickoff.
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Also, networks already have a small camera in a pylon that goes with the line-to-gain. It shouldn't be a problem to put the pylon on the 45 for a kickoff.
That's a great point!!
If i was a Gopher, i'd be pissed and would feel slighted with good reason.
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That's a great point!!
If i was a Gopher, i'd be pissed and would feel slighted with good reason.
Oh, I forgot one more point to add: MAKE THIS A REVIEWABLE PLAY.
I'm pissed at another special teams screw-up leading directly to a Michigan TD. Special teams has consistently been a major liability in the Fleck administration, and I see no signs of that changing anytime soon.
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Oh, I forgot one more point to add: MAKE THIS A REVIEWABLE PLAY.
I'm pissed at another special teams screw-up leading directly to a Michigan TD. Special teams has consistently been a major liability in the Fleck administration, and I see no signs of that changing anytime soon.
totally agree IT should not come down to an official making a call or not making one
The Gophers needed a couple more plays in the first half and the call would not have mattered
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it was a very big call at a most inoperable time, that affected the end of the game
heck they would have still had to make a FG to tie or have DJ make another incredible catch to win the game
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Them not having it, imo, is purposeful. Controversy and bad calls is good for media attention,
I wouldn't doubt it at all if those turds in a punch bowl are doing precisely that
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When I saw that play the first time, I thought it was offside. But as it replayed over and over, I came to the belief even with grainy video it was not offside, and it was certainly too close to call it so.
As for the previous post, I could be wrong, but they already have an official on the 35-yard "restraining line." Now there will be two officials on that line eyeballing from each direction, and then they can have a "conference" if one decides there was an offsides issue.
This sort of makes up for the "unfair fair catch" call that gave Minnesota an unearned win in 2023. Justice is blind.
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Like Cooper said, it wasn't a fair catch.
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https://twitter.com/TremendousUM/status/1840881390382174331
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That's over the 45 it was kicked at the 35,if anything that shot favors The Gophs