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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on September 17, 2024, 10:03:27 PM
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Ideas?
My number 1 choice would be Lane Kiffin. Stop with the G5 hotshot nonsense. If we're FLORIDA, then get a name guy. Let's score some points and if he can get Ole Miss as a top 10 team, Florida would be a walk.
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I believe Charlie Strong is available.
But yeah Joey Freshwater would do well at Florida.
With the coeds, I mean.
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I’m rather partial to Sunbelt Billy.
But, when he is canned in 3 weeks, I go after Alex Golesh.
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Jesus. Do you think Kiffin would jump again ? You’d think maybe he’s got something going at Ol Miss.
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i know the UF guys are salivating over the prospect of Kiffin, but... what's in it for him? If he takes Ole Miss to the promised land of perineal power, and it sure looks like he can, he would be a legend and set for life- he stands a chance of getting a state holiday in his name... at florida, he's just another in the line and one bad season from unemployment... he'd be stupid to go to gainsville.
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i know the UF guys are salivating over the prospect of Kiffin, but... what's in it for him? If he takes Ole Miss to the promised land of perineal power, and it sure looks like he can, he would be a legend and set for life- he stands a chance of getting a state holiday in his name... at florida, he's just another in the line and one bad season from unemployment... he'd be stupid to go to gainsville.
I don't really know the culture behind Ole Miss/Mississippi (as in the state, not MSU) versus Florida. Obviously, Florida has a much bigger upside, and I consider them to be a 21st century Blue Blood. But when you peel away all the bull-shit, what would be stopping Ole Miss from winning? Being in the SEC, I would almost say that money isn't one of them, but I don't know about their NIL or alumnus generosity. I'd have to imagine there would be several rich and powerful alumnus associated with OM that would be willing to open the checkbook for the right program.
Coming from Texas (the state, not the U), I have not spent much if any time East of the Mississippi river. Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, they all appear very similar to me in terms of geography. Florida to me has a much bigger population and lots of recruits. I've seen it posted around these parts that Louisiana and Mississippi have the most DI recruits or a lot of DI recruits (and NFL players) among a lot of states.
I vaguely recall that OM stadium is not that large compared to Alabama or Georgia. What about student body size, fanbase, what separates somebody like Bama from OM?
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I don't really know the culture behind Ole Miss/Mississippi (as in the state, not MSU) versus Florida. Obviously, Florida has a much bigger upside, and I consider them to be a 21st century Blue Blood. But when you peel away all the bull-shit, what would be stopping Ole Miss from winning? Being in the SEC, I would almost say that money isn't one of them, but I don't know about their NIL or alumnus generosity. I'd have to imagine there would be several rich and powerful alumnus associated with OM that would be willing to open the checkbook for the right program.
Coming from Texas (the state, not the U), I have not spent much if any time East of the Mississippi river. Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, they all appear very similar to me in terms of geography. Florida to me has a much bigger population and lots of recruits. I've seen it posted around these parts that Louisiana and Mississippi have the most DI recruits or a lot of DI recruits (and NFL players) among a lot of states.
I vaguely recall that OM stadium is not that large compared to Alabama or Georgia. What about student body size, fanbase, what separates somebody like Bama from OM?
I'll go the short route here.....
You know how A&M or the Longhorns think of Texas Tech, Or TCU?
That's how we (SEC Big Boys) view Ole Miss.
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I'll go the short route here.....
You know how A&M or the Longhorns think of Texas Tech, Or TCU?
That's how we (SEC Big Boys) view Ole Miss.
I think you FAR overestimate Tech. TCU, on the other hand, has a little history behind it for a small private Christian university.
Texas Tech is just straight up trash, they've never even won a conference championship (SWC, B12, or New-=B12).
OM isn't quite that bad. They have some history, won the SEC/MNC in the 60's, the whole Manning vibe, it's considered a good venue for a football game.
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I think you FAR overestimate Tech. TCU, on the other hand, has a little history behind it for a small private Christian university.
Texas Tech is just straight up trash, they've never even won a conference championship (SWC, B12, or New-=B12).
OM isn't quite that bad. They have some history, won the SEC/MNC in the 60's, the whole Manning vibe, it's considered a good venue for a football game.
It's considered a good venue for tailgating, sure, but it is a mini-stadium by SEC standards, with no uniqueness, or Gameday traditions.
There's just "The Grove", which gets a lot of fanfare. There are probably more folks sitting outside the stadium watching the game, than inside, because the experience is better. LOL
Admittedly, I don't really know how you guys view the other Texas schools, and applied my own perception, which is --- small time, nobodies.
Nevertheless, SEC folks view Ole Miss as a minor nuisance on occasion.
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lane kiffin
i would call matt rhule if i were them. i think he's great.
eli drinkwitz - he wanted out a couple yrs ago (allegedly but i believe it). that said he's basically running the school rn & has gotten everything he's asked for & is thus pretty happy there rn - but it's fla. i believe he'd take the job but it isn't like i know the man & he couldn't be in a better situation in terms of control - he ran the last ad out of town & had a hand in her replacement. mizzou would fight to keep him (board of curators loves him) & he'd cost a pretty penny but fla doesn't care about that, pretty sure his buyout is modest too.
jamey chadwell
maybe one of the big12 or acc guys due to league instability in addition to it being fla - leipold doesn't seem like a fit but i'm pretty sure he wants out of ku & he's done a good job there so you never know.
klienman - idk, another good coach but not really a fit imo - i see him as more a fit for iowa or wisconsin (if he's still there when it comes open next). he's supposedly tied to the ad at kst so that might be a package deal.
bill o'brien looks like he's turned boston college around in an instant. i like the way he calls a game. i think he'd do well at fla, he's from the north of course but the nfl pedigree would work there i think.
'bout all i got off the top of my head.
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It's considered a good venue for tailgating, sure, but it is a mini-stadium by SEC standards, with no uniqueness, or Gameday traditions.
There's just "The Grove", which gets a lot of fanfare. There are probably more folks sitting outside the stadium watching the game, than inside, because the experience is better. LOL
Admittedly, I don't really know how you guys view the other Texas schools, and applied my own perception, which is --- small time, nobodies.
Nevertheless, SEC folks view Ole Miss as a minor nuisance on occasion.
Tech and TCU:
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Admittedly, I don't really know how you guys view the other Texas schools, and applied my own perception, which is --- small time, nobodies.
99% of all the Aggies I know view Texas Tech and the other schools as a bunch of nobodies. If you think A&M has done nothing, you're not really wrong, but TTech has really done NOTHING. A&M has won 18 conference championships and 1-3 MNC (depends on whose counting). Tech wasn't even in the SWC until maybe the 70's or something, and they never won either it or the Big 12. I think they tied for the South Division once, the 2008 year where them and Texas and OU all tied.
Lubbock is so far away for a lot of Texans that it's literally like driving 2-3 states away for everybody except people who live on the far West reaches of DFW. It's about a 11-12 hour drive from my house to Lubbock to put it in perspective, and I live near Houston. I'd guesstimate it's almost as far to drive there from Austin. The landscape is horrendous, nothing but flatlands and irrigated crops as far as the eye can see, but not pretty like parts of the Midwest. More like a brown dusty vastness.
Academically, they offer a lot. Law degrees, engineering, arts, a really good option for those looking to attend a big State University not named A&M or Texas. I heard it's not hard to get in, so a lot of wanna be Texas and A&M people end up going there when they don't get in. And they really seem to have a chip on their shoulder about it, and when either Texas or A&M visits there the crowd literally goes bonkers and really weird things happen there. Look up the goal post incident from maybe 2002 or 2001 when A&M played there, and countless times Texas and OU have played there and lost under suspicious circumstances.
The strange thing is that they had a really good thing going with Mike Leach, and he really had them on a different level, and they fired him for what I'd call stupid reasons.
TCU and the rest (Baylor, SMU) have had a little history behind them at times. Baylor has won several conference titles, as has TCU. SMU is more infamous. I still have no idea how they got themselves invited to the ACC, even in a diminished ACC.
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On the flip side, I've witnessed and seen that the female students that go there are really beautiful, and maybe not so smart (stereotype I know). Lot of daddy's money chicks, lot of frat boys, it can get very wild because you can party hard and maybe not flunk out like you would at a more academically challenging environment. Obviously this doesn't apply to all, but I think the shoe fits.
I'd bet it's a fabulous place to go to school if you don't mind the distance, and you can probably get a really good education there if you want it. And I'd also be willing to bet that in a less competive Big 12 they will win their first Conference Championship soon.
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99% of all the Aggies I know view Texas Tech and the other schools as a bunch of nobodies. If you think A&M has done nothing, you're not really wrong, but TTech has really done NOTHING. A&M has won 18 conference championships and 1-3 MNC (depends on whose counting). Tech wasn't even in the SWC until maybe the 70's or something, and they never won either it or the Big 12. I think they tied for the South Division once, the 2008 year where them and Texas and OU all tied.
Lubbock is so far away for a lot of Texans that it's literally like driving 2-3 states away for everybody except people who live on the far West reaches of DFW. It's about a 11-12 hour drive from my house to Lubbock to put it in perspective, and I live near Houston. I'd guesstimate it's almost as far to drive there from Austin. The landscape is horrendous, nothing but flatlands and irrigated crops as far as the eye can see, but not pretty like parts of the Midwest. More like a brown dusty vastness.
Academically, they offer a lot. Law degrees, engineering, arts, a really good option for those looking to attend a big State University not named A&M or Texas. I heard it's not hard to get in, so a lot of wanna be Texas and A&M people end up going there when they don't get in. And they really seem to have a chip on their shoulder about it, and when either Texas or A&M visits there the crowd literally goes bonkers and really weird things happen there. Look up the goal post incident from maybe 2002 or 2001 when A&M played there, and countless times Texas and OU have played there and lost under suspicious circumstances.
The strange thing is that they had a really good thing going with Mike Leach, and he really had them on a different level, and they fired him for what I'd call stupid reasons.
TCU and the rest (Baylor, SMU) have had a little history behind them at times. Baylor has won several conference titles, as has TCU. SMU is more infamous. I still have no idea how they got themselves invited to the ACC, even in a diminished ACC.
My view of the Texas schools is:
There is A&M, and the Longhorns. And who cares about the rest?
It just means more, amirite? LOL
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From my view, Ole Miss is something of a click... those affiliated are passionately dedicated to them and don't let it go. Yeah, that's "it" for any school- but Ole Miss has every element needed to be a major player in athletics.. they would be some quiet investment firm controlling $20B in capital while the headline grabbing W.Buffet sits beside them managing excess of 10 times that and swiping all the attention... all the while, you can do just about anything with $20B that you can with $200B... they have tradition, they have history, they have a distinctive culture, facilities, and they have stadium "enough"- what it lacks in capacity and flashy blinky stuff it makes up for in lore.
None of yall would bat an eye if UCLA or Miami, Nebraska or Wisconsin made a run at a title in the next five years... now go figure Ole Miss has likely a better shot than them with the exception of Miami who benefits from weak league giving them a better shot at automatic position in playoffs. They've just about always been positioned- but really only lately been poised. Lame Kitten is why they're currently poised.
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Jesus. Do you think Kiffin would jump again ? You’d think maybe he’s got something going at Ol Miss.
He absolutely would. Kiffin has an ego like most really good coaches, and Florida is a higher prestige gig than Ole Miss. And for a reason....the ceiling should be legitimately higher there than in Oxford.
I suspect he'd do really well there. At minimum, he'd have an acceptable floor and keep Florida out of the cellar. That's not what UF would traditionally be aiming for, but at this point that's got to be a consideration.
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HCs aren't like us. The points made about having it at OM and why would he leave.....EGO. Winning at Florida = king of the world.
If he wins anything of note at OM (he hasn't, no one has since 1962), then EVERY big-boy program would be after him and one would get him.
Gators fans would love the points scored and the visor and the arrogance.....a modern-day Spurrier.
OM as a program is irrelevant. There's no reason for MS to have 2 P5 programs. If you combined the 2, it'd be a helluva program...sometimes.
They've not won the West division in 32 years. Not even a shared- SHARED SEC title since 1963. Basically 60 years of not mattering. It's a shit program. If Kiffin ever gets them to Atlanta, he's scooped up and gone. Period.
It'd be nice to get him before there's a big competition for him. Florida's NIL is 2nd-tier for whatever reason. Don't need schools with their shit together barging in.
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I can't imagine what motivates some of these coaches. Is there a difference between a salary of $8 million and $15 million? (Yeah, $7 mil.) As noted, you can STAY at OM by winning 9 games a year on average, and be just fine. At UF, that will wear out in 4-5 years. They seem quite competitive this year, and have been pretty good under LK.
I personally would stay put. You skip to UF and maybe you go 9-4 then 10-3 then 9-4 then 10-3 (maybe) and your seat starts to get warm. Could he get to 12-1 there? Maybe so. Maybe Bama steps back, the Vols seem to be on the upswing, not every one of the SEC can be elite. He'd need to get to ATL every three years at worst to stick around at UF, I suspect. And maybe he's as good as UM, but I don't think so yet.
I suspect they make an offer, a gaudy offer, and he mulls it over. They better have a Plan B though.
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I get the competitive thing... the guys I worked with are hyper competitive too. I was thinking from the university angle... OM will pay and match pay plus to keep a coach like him is my guess.
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It's going to be frustrating at a program like OM because you never get the benefit of the doubt. Your team could be the equal of a Florida or a Michigan or a Texas, but you'll be ranked lower. When you lose, you fall a few more spots. When it's committee time, you're not getting in over a helmet team, all things being equal. For every big-time recruit you get, there's another that takes that storied program money/offer.
There's a ceiling.
Ole Miss' trophy case is full of a bunch of 2nd-tier bowl trophies and stuff from the age of "whites only" bathrooms.
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I get the competitive thing... the guys I worked with are hyper competitive too. I was thinking from the university angle... OM will pay and match pay plus to keep a coach like him is my guess.
I agree, it's not the money. It COULD be the competitive thing. The steps of SOS and UM ...
That was deter me, but that's a reason I'm not a HC.
Teams like TCU has had get pretty high in the rankings by simply winning. He can do that at OM. I think OM can make the 12 team every so often.
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Kiffin does move around a lot. Folks say he's a pretty good coach, but his proclivity for moving would be a concern, for me. Is it about money? Probably not so much now.
OM will pay him, he'd have better job security there than at UF, if money is the thing. So is it legacy? Imagine he takes the UF job and clearly turns them around and they make the playoffs nearly every year from 2027-2033 or so. Florida has some talent now, so it should be feasible. They hit a monster schedule this season.
Even keeping the current guy would probably get them better next season, by a good bit, so the HC job there isn't like taking over a broken program.
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I vaguely recall that OM stadium is not that large compared to Alabama or Georgia. What about student body size, fanbase, what separates somebody like Bama from OM?
I attended a game at Ole Miss a few years back. we got invited to a really nice tailgate, and one of the fans there was a Bama fan (they weren't playing Bama). She explained to me that Bama fans are overly tense, they analyze, and criticize, every play, and aren't happy unless they win 77-0 and are ranked #1.
She said OM fans in contrast, show up and TG all morning (the TGs are set up for them ahead of time by a company), go to the game, and party all night after. If the team wins, great, if not, also great.
They have a nice stadium, it seats about 60,000, Bama's is over 100 K. They aren't as wrapped up in wins and losses as Bama fans.
I think fans of the Dawgs, Vols, Gators, and Tigers are more like Bama fans. The game and its outcome are central.
In the mean time, Florida is showing a pulse now. The lost to Tenn in OT, and have won 3 of 4, after beating UK (which wasn't a given). Their problem is their next four opponents are UGA, @Texas, LSU, and Ole Miss. So, a 4-3 record COULD suddenly be 4-7, but I suspect they snag at least one of those, hopefully one of the latter three.
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Let's imagine Florida beats FSU, which seems doable, and then upsets Ole Miss, which seems doable, and is fairly competitive with LSU/Texas/UGA, in losses. Is that enough or is it done?
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She said OM fans in contrast, show up and TG all morning (the TGs are set up for them ahead of time by a company),
How very Ole Miss of them.
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Let's imagine Florida beats FSU, which seems doable, and then upsets Ole Miss, which seems doable, and is fairly competitive with LSU/Texas/UGA, in losses. Is that enough or is it done?
I think he gets another year even if FSU our only remaining win. Gauging a HC while he's facing the toughest schedule in the country isn't prudent.
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go to the game, and party all night after. If the team wins, great, if not, also great.
This is how their fans have to be. When you don't have even a shared SEC championship in 60 years, that's what happens.
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How very Ole Miss of them.
They were very nice to us. I went with a buddy (OSU fan) in Cincy to Oxford, we had parked and were walking in the direction of the stadium, I thought, so I asked two ladies, and they invited us to their tailgate, which was pretty incredible. I tried to put some money in the "kitty", I hadn't been there a minute before they poured some beverage for me, it was about 11 AM for a 3:30 PM game. (The Dawgs got slaughtered.)
We went back after the game, and after a while, some very large young black men showed up, I realized they were on the Ole Miss team, so this group was "connected" somehow. They explained the tents were set up with all the food by some outfit they paid, the tents went up on Thursday and the food and beverages arrived Saturday morning, so all they had to do was show up. It was some pretty high end TGing.
On topic, I agree, if Napier beats FSU and maybe the team looks competitive against UGA et al., he gets a reprieve. Kiffin is not looking great at the moment, nobody else seems to be a stand out. Next year, easier slate, probably, and they could be looking at a fairly solid 8-4ish campaign. Now the trajectory looks good if not the record.
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Bump.
Wellz.....doesn't look like UF is in any hurry to get of Napier, understandably so.
This might be a case study in the hubris of making rash decisions too quickly. I think it probably should've taken Napier less time than it did for UF to start the uphill climb, but then, things work oddly in this new NIL/xfer world and I'm not used to it yet.
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Indeed.
Everyone focuses on the 4-game winning streak to close the season, but the turnaround came when we practically beat Tennessee in Knoxville. We had that game won and gave it away.
But just to see we could hang with a top-10 team on the road (whether they played well or not) was an "ah ha" moment. The fact that the Gators beat the shit out of UK when the line was near even built on that and once we showed up against UGA, giving them all they could handle for 3 quarters, that was it.
We could compete with the top teams.
The Texas fiasco aside, Florida fans saw that the Miami and A&M games were the exception.
Imagine if Mertz didn't get hurt. Imagine if Lagway didn't. The defense suddenly appeared from the UCF game-on. It had been missing for like 7 years.
That's the oddest thing about Florida's down cycle - the defense. We could roll out of bed and have a top-15 defense every year of my adult life....until we couldn't.
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Tell me about it. Other than (most years of) the 90's--which was not really my adult life--our defense was always reliable, if not very good. Suddenly we've got two historically bad units within 4 years, and a drastic leap forward still ranks 61st. Teams like Florida and LSU have typically had access to talent, and it just makes you scratch your head when defense goes in the toilet and stays there.
Meanwhile, we've had above-average QB play for most of the last 6-7 years. I thought the Upside-Down was supposed to be fictional.
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I think it's just more evidence that it's a merry-go-round at the top, outside of Saban's Bama.
The top programs take turns at the top.
Even OU sucked in the 90s.
OSU, while not bad, didn't matter in the 80s.
ND, UM, USC, Texas,...all of them have their downturns.
And for a program to hope to "be back" you have to have once been there, at or near the top. We're lucky that LSU and Florida are among that group.
There are the bluebloods and the new bloods (top programs of the last 40 years)....and then there's everyone else.
UM-OSU-ND-UNL-USC-UTA-OU-PSU-UTK-ALA
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LSU-MIA-FSU-UF-UGA-AUB.............no one else has been "there" to be "back" including ORE, WIS, A&M, MSU, etc.
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Don't forget Minnesota!
National champs in 1936 (with Bud Wilkinson as QB), '40, and '41 (all under Bernie "Silver Fox" Bierman). And again in 1960.
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Minnesota, not even a helmet and certainly not a blue blood.
But yes, they did have their moment. So did Harvard and Princeton.
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Don't forget Minnesota!
National champs in 1936 (with Bud Wilkinson as QB), '40, and '41 (all under Bernie "Silver Fox" Bierman). And again in 1960.
The 1960 NC was a farce, as voters punished undefeated Ole Miss for racism.
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The 1960 NC was a farce, as voters punished undefeated Ole Miss for racism.
Another factor was that both AP and UPI issued their final polls before the bowl games.
I can see non-southern poll voters downgrading Ole Miss and other SEC teams. Those teams were playing college football within their own little universe of Jim Crow law. They didn't have any black players and--in at least many cases--they refused to play any opponents with black players.
America was changing for the better in terms of racial equality. The days of racial segregation were ending. And the South was behind the times. It may not have been fair to Ole Miss (and to Bama, later), but keeping black players out of the game wasn't fair either.
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1960 Final Football Polls | College Poll Archive (https://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=1960)
The polls were pretty close that year.