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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: LittlePig on September 15, 2024, 08:37:42 AM
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Another great week of games to over - react to.
1. Ohio State - OC Chip Kelly was smart to get out of UCLA when he did
2. USC - victory over LSU looks less impressive now but it's still good enough to put USC #2
3. Oregon - finally puts together an impressive win against Ore St after struggling in early games
4. Nebraska - Defense is looking good
5. Penn St - dominated WV but struggled against a MAC team.
6. Indiana - both offense and defense looking great under brand new coach
7. Michigan - this is not last year's Miichigan team
8. Illinois - win over Kansas does not look as impressive now that Kansas lost to UNLV
9. Rutgers - kind of a sleeper team. the team I can never seem to remember when I do my power rankings.
10. Iowa - gots some issues on offense, and surprisingly issues on defense and special teams to work out.
11. Mich St - I keeping moving MSU up after ranking them last in pre-season
12. MD - bounces back with win against VA.
13. Minnesota - I keep saying I am ranking Minny too low yet I keep ranking them low
14. NW - not looking very good
15. Wisconsin - loss to Bama proves Wisc not ready to be one of the Big Boys
16. Washington - Wash St gets its revenge on big brother
17. UCLA - last week I had UCLA in last place but I am bumping them up only because I really like their cheerleaders
18. Purdue - totally destroyed by Notre Dame
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1. Ohio State
2. USC
3. Oregon
4. Penn State
5. Illinois
6. Nebraska
7. Rutgers
8. Indiana
9. Iowa
10. Michigan State
11. Michigan
12. Minnesota
13. Wisconsin
14. Washington
15. Maryland
16. Northwestern
17. UCLA
18. Purdue
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1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. USC
4. Oregon
5. Indiana
6. Nebraska
7. Iowa
8. Michigan State
9. Michigan
10. Maryland
11. Rutgers
12. Northwestern
13. Illinois
14. Washington
15. Minnesota
16. Wisconsin
17. Purdue
18. UCLA
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I like the huskers getting some top 6 respect
if they beat Illinois, I'll agree
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I like the huskers getting some top 6 respect
if they beat Illinois, I'll agree
Looks like the ILL-Neb game will be on Fox Friday night. It will be Nebraska's chance to announce to the nation they are back.
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a chance to announce they don't suck
not sure about being back
but a great step in the right direction
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7. Michigan - this is not last year's Miichigan team
11. Michigan
Has M #8
9. Michigan
In the business world, when discussing mergers and acquisitions the buzzword is "synergy". I once explained that to someone as meaning that "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts".
By that definition, Michigan right now is the opposite of synergy. If you look at the parts they are easily top four but if you look at the results, I can't disagree with 7-11 as ranked by @LittlePig (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1540) , @Badger1969 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=67) , @Benthere2 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=36) , and @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) .
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it's tough when you don't know the other team's play call
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1. USC
2. Ohio State
3. Penn State
4. Oregon
5. Nebraska
6. Iowa
7. Illinois
8. Indiana
9. Rutgers
10. Washington
11. Michigan
12. Wisconsin
13. Maryland
14. Michigan State
15. Minnesota
16. Purdue
17. UCLA
18. Northwestern
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- OSU: Ain't played nobody
- USC: Defense looked better against Utah State than Utah's did. A USC that plays defense is a real team.
- Oregon: Finally looked the part of preseason expectations.
- PSU: Still sorting them out
- Indiana: I'm a believer
- Nebraska: Same, Colorado's defense may not be as bad as I thought
- Michigan: Tough to rank, but seems like a team that will improve
- Rutgers: Hell why not
- Iowa: Feels like something missing in the Iowa recipe
- Illinois: Ranked Illinois!
- Minnesota: Competent performance
- Washington: Boffed the ending
- MSU: More competent this season
- Maryland: Still strong in the noncon
- Wisconsin: They just sorta stink
- Northwestern: Mostly unwatchable
- UCLA: Garbage
- Purdue: Full on stink
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Glad to see that by this point preseason rankings aren’t giving teams like Wisconsin and Michigan much benefit-of-the-doubt. Case in point, Indiana is ranked mostly above both. Some might say the Hoosiers have yet to proven anything against a worthwhile opponent, but to open the season with blowouts Vs FIU, Western Illinois, and cellar-dwelling UCLA (see below image) is how well-rounded teams should look before the schedule toughens. I can definitely see the Hoosiers beating currently ranked #22 Nebraska (Oct 19) and #18 Michigan (Nov 9) at home. Their only certain underdog game will be @Ohio State Nov 23.
Meanwhile, Michigan and Wisconsin not only showed up without answers at the hands of more physical, more talented opponents (Texas, Alabama) but both appeared uninspired and limited Vs the early push-arounds on their schedule with sputtering offenses and lengthy stretches of unfocused, lapsed play. Michigan and Wisconsin look like they’re headed for 6-6 seasons. And both face USC by the end of this month.
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Glad to see that by this point preseason rankings aren’t giving teams like Wisconsin and Michigan much benefit-of-the-doubt.
Michigan and Wisconsin look like they’re headed for 6-6 seasons. And both face USC by the end of this month.
I think we'll learn a LOT about our league by watching USC the next four weeks. They have what could be a brutal stretch coming up of:
- at #18 Michigan on Saturday
- vs Wisconsin on 9/28
- at Minnesota on 10/5
- vs #10 Penn State on 10/12
Preseason that was @#9, vsORV, @n/a, vs#8. It looks a little more manageable now but still that is a rough group especially when factoring in all of the travel.
Within this thread USC is ranked #2 by everyone except the one Buckeye-hating M fan who stuck them ahead of the Buckeyes probably out of spite. Otherwise they are right behind the Buckeyes and not far ahead of the Ducks. The interesting thing is that the Trojans play neither Ohio State nor Oregon in the regular season this year.
If the Trojans beat Michigan they have a pretty clear path to the B1GCG most likely against the tOSU/Ore winner. Even if they lose in Ann Arbor, they could still get there it just depends on winning out and how the tiebreakers work out for them.
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Within this thread USC is ranked #2 by everyone except the one Buckeye-hating M fan who stuck them ahead of the Buckeyes probably out of spite.
No...to quote MaximumSam, Ohio State "ain't played nobody."
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Big Ten Football’s Proper Power Rankings: After Week Three
By Nate McHugh
1 - Ohio State
Previous: Bye Week.
Upcoming: Marshall at Home.
2 - Penn State
Previous: Bye Week.
Upcoming: Kent State at Home.
3 - USC
Previous: Bye Week
Upcoming: At Michigan.
Momentary Musing: Must see television. It is going be difficult for Michigan to get up a bunch of points against USC’s defense. It is a lot about the USC defense but it is also about Michigan. They are still trying to figure it out. I expect USC to beat Michigan by 14+ unless Michigan can sustain some drives.
4 - Oregon
Previous: Beat Oregon State 49-14 at Oregon State.
Upcoming: Bye Week.
Momentary Musing: Finally Oregon does what they are supposed to do. Oregon State hung around for a half but then looked like the Oregon State I have been waiting for. I did pick them to win the CFP and I would like a do-over but at least for a week they looked like they should.
5 - Michigan
Previous: Beat Arkansas State 28-18 at Home.
Upcoming: USC at Home.
Momentary Musing: Sherrone Moore is going to have to out coach Lincoln Riley to have any chance at all. I expect Michigan to lose and it won’t be close. Good thing Moore finally got his contract signed.
6 - Iowa
Previous: Beat Troy 38-21 at Home.
Upcoming: At Minnesota.
Momentary Musing: I know that Troy is 0-3 but Iowa might have one of the best running backs in the conference in Kaleb Johnson. He had 173 rushing yards and two touchdowns for Iowa. The question is always going to be about the quarterback position at Iowa and Kirk Ferentz. His teams are great at defense and special teams and that ceiling will always be low until they get a quarterback.
7 - Nebraska
Previous: Beat Northern Iowa 34-3
Upcoming: Illinois on Friday
Momentary Musing: The real test for Nebraska is going to be this Friday against ranked #24 ranked Illinois. The first matchup of two ranked teams in Memorial Stadium in over a decade? That’s some sad sad stuff. Opportunity for a big win.
8 - Indiana
Previous: Beat UCLA 42-13 at UCLA.
Upcoming: Charlotte at Home.
Momentary Musing: Indiana is 3-0 and receiving votes for the AP Top 25. They’ll blow out Charlotte but watch out for this team. They will likely be 6-0 before they play Nebraska at home.
9 - Illinois
Previous: Beat Central Michigan 30-9 at Home.
Upcoming: At Nebraska.
Momentary Musing: I’ve said it time and time again that I think Bret Bielema is a really good coach. He is going to run that ball right at Nebraska and he will have the defense to slow down Raiola. This will be a great test for the true freshman.
10 - Rutgers
Previous: Bye Week
Upcoming: At Virginia Tech.
Momentary Musing: I am a believer in Greg Schiano and he will have an opportunity to get a huge win for his program at Virginia Tech.
11 - Wisconsin
Previous: Lost 42-10 to Alabama at Home.
Upcoming: Bye Week.
Momentary Musing: Definitely needs a bye week. They got throttled by an overrated SEC team and they lost their starting quarterback to injury. I am not sure having Tyler Van Dyke would have kept it much closer but based off of the results this season Wisconsin Coach Luke Fickell definitely has his work cut out for him if he doesn’t want to deal with the hot seat. Camp Randall starting emptying out real early in this one.
12 - Washington
Previous: Lost to Washington State 24-19 at Home.
Upcoming: Northwestern at Home.
Momentary Musing: Like I have said in the past weeks, I am slow to punish teams in rivalry games. But Indiana is going to force me to move Washington down.
13 - Michigan State
Previous: Beat Prairie View A&M 40-0 at Home.
Upcoming: At Boston College.
Momentary Musing: I’m not sure we learned anything but their win over Oregon State may not look as great but I’m not going to hate on them them for it.
14 - Maryland
Previous: Beat Virginia 27-13 at Home.
Upcoming: Villanova at Home.
Momentary Musing: Maryland gets a win after losing to Michigan State and should roll Villanova but that matchup against Indiana is going to be tough.
15 - Minnesota
Previous: Beat Nevada 27-0 at Home.
Upcoming: Iowa at Home.
Momentary Musing: I really hope I get to watch this game. I remember back in the good ole days when these teams would battle for the Big Ten West.
16 - Northwestern
Previous: Beat Eastern Illinois 31-7 at Home.
Upcoming: At Washington.
Momentary Musing: They got two wins and could very well be 3-0 after the double overtime loss to Duke. I assume they would like to be bowl eligible but I’m not sure I see four more wins. But they won 8 games last year so you never know.
17 - Purdue
Previous: Lost 66-7 to Notre Dame at Home.
Upcoming: At Oregon State.
Momentary Musing: Purdue is going to just need to forget that last Saturday happened. Good thing they have an easy FCS team coming to town...oh here is Oregon State who just got blown out by a rival.
18 - UCLA
Previous: Lost to Indiana 42-13 at Home.
Upcoming: At LSU.
Momentary Musing: This team is bad and this week they play LSU.
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Missed the MSU-Oregon State game apparently
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By Nate McHugh
simple overlook
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No...to quote MaximumSam, Ohio State "ain't played nobody."
That is fair and the sad part is that depending on how good MSU/Iowa are that may not change until mid-October.
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By Nate McHugh
simple overlook
I'm honestly not sure what he's even talking about though
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That is fair and the sad part is that depending on how good MSU/Iowa are that may not change until mid-October.
Well that could be good for the Buckeyes as it was for Michigan last year.
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Well that could be good for the Buckeyes as it was for Michigan last year.
It was pathetic last year and it is this year as well but yeah.
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there's only room for so many top ten ranked teams that can give a top 3 team a game
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Last week in parentheses...
- OHIO STATE (1) - bye week
- USC (2) - bye week
- PENN STATE (3) - bye week
- OREGON (4) - finally looked the part
- MICHIGAN (5) - feels like they should have used Arkansas State as the bye week to get Orji set
- NEBRASKA (7) - big game before Raiola's first road start, although Purdue might be a dumpster
- RUTGERS (8) - bye week
- IOWA (10) - Hawkeyes ride their offense to a win?
- ILLINOIS (11) - Kansas win doesn't look quite so big anymore, big road chance this week
- WASHINGTON (6) - guessing that doesn't help Washington want to keep the Apple Cup alive
- INDIANA (18) - ok, I'm a believer
- MICHIGAN STATE (12) - will learn a lot after this week
- WISCONSIN (9) - OL held its own, but QB situation just went from bad to worse
- MARYLAND (13) - nice bounceback
- MINNESOTA (15) - averaging 6.3 ppg allowed, with the Iowa and Michigan offenses to follow
- NORTHWESTERN (17) - bye week
- UCLA (14) - they really can't ever hate USC ever again after the undeserved life vest the Trojans threw them
- PURDUE (16) - ensuring UCLA doesn't win the "all our eggs in basketball bucket" competition
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MINNESOTA (15) - averaging 6.3 ppg allowed, with the Iowa and Michigan offenses to follow
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Been waiting to do my SOR/SP+ mock bracket, because SOR didn't have nearly enough data, but why not, even though it's still a mess...
#12 UNLV at #5 Texas; winner vs. #4 California
#11 Miami at #6 Alabama; winner vs. #3 Kansas State
#10 Missouri at #7 USC; winner vs. #2 OREGON
#9 PENN STATE at #8 Central Florida; winner vs. #1 Georgia
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Been waiting to do my SOR/SP+ mock bracket, because SOR didn't have nearly enough data, but why not, even though it's still a mess...
#12 UNLV at #5 Texas; winner vs. #4 California
#11 Miami at #6 Alabama; winner vs. #3 Kansas State
#10 Missouri at #7 USC; winner vs. #2 OREGON
#9 PENN STATE at #8 Central Florida; winner vs. #1 Georgia
No Ohio St?
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Buckeyes haven't played anyone yet!
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I'm honestly not sure what he's even talking about though
Yeah, what's with the bye weeks. No such thing dude in cfp reg.
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Within this thread USC is ranked #2 by everyone except the one Buckeye-hating M fan who stuck them ahead of the Buckeyes probably out of spite. Otherwise they are right behind the Buckeyes and not far ahead of the Ducks. The interesting thing is that the Trojans play neither Ohio State nor Oregon in the regular season this year.
Why make an assumption of someone’s ranking and then vocally call it out in such a way instead of just asking?
USC had a pretty solid win on a national stage. OSU played 2 pretty awful teams. I think it’s reasonable some people rank based on the results not necessarily The projected outcome. If USC wins this week and so does osu and more people rank usc #1, is it not a reasonable ranking?
why always take a dig at someone?
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Most seasons I would have OSU lower from unanswered questions reasons. However, the defense looks to be really strong, their best since 2019 and perhaps better. The questions were on offense, and right now they appear improved at QB, RB, TE, and OL compared to last year, and not much dropoff at receiver despite losing Marv. Given none of the B1G teams have been world beaters (except Indiana) I will probably roll with the Bucks until they look shaky.
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Most seasons I would have OSU lower from unanswered questions reasons. However, the defense looks to be really strong, their best since 2019 and perhaps better. The questions were on offense, and right now they appear improved at QB, RB, TE, and OL compared to last year, and not much dropoff at receiver despite losing Marv. Given none of the B1G teams have been world beaters (except Indiana) I will probably roll with the Bucks until they look shaky.
I agree with all of this. I think top to bottom so far they look like a very talented team and the B1G doesn’t look like a deep conference this year. I expect OsU to be undefeated going into the playoffs as long as the injury bug stays away as I think they are the most loaded team in the conference.
that being said, we have always had a history of people in the power rankings that early in the year, they rank in tiers and the order sometimes depends on early SOS. I personally don’t see it that way, but it adds interesting debate.
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Why make an assumption of someone’s ranking and then vocally call it out in such a way instead of just asking?
USC had a pretty solid win on a national stage. OSU played 2 pretty awful teams. I think it’s reasonable some people rank based on the results not necessarily The projected outcome. If USC wins this week and so does osu and more people rank usc #1, is it not a reasonable ranking?
why always take a dig at someone?
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
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Do you really want to go down this road with me?
I clearly posted it for a reason so this response isn’t intimidating to me at all.
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I expect OsU to be undefeated going into the playoffs as long as the injury bug stays away as I think they are the most loaded team in the conference.
I think they are too, though the Iowa, @Oregon, Nebraska, @ Penn State is looking to be a very tough stretch. They do have a bye week between Oregon and Nebraska though
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I clearly posted it for a reason so this response isn’t intimidating to me at all.
Ok, first I already said that his explanation was fair.
I compiled the PR for years so I'm familiar with everyone's biases. There tends to be a LOT of sandbagging on here, a LOT of posters underrate consistently their own team. Then there are a few that consistently overrate their own team. MCW was the most egregious example of this. Then there are some who consistently underrate hated rivals. I've seen enough to stand by my comment.
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Ok, first I already said that his explanation was fair.
I compiled the PR for years so I'm familiar with everyone's biases. There tends to be a LOT of sandbagging on here, a LOT of posters underrate consistently their own team. Then there are a few that consistently overrate their own team. MCW was the most egregious example of this. Then there are some who consistently underrate hated rivals. I've seen enough to stand by my comment.
Most of your explanation is spot on. Theres plenty of people that consistently overrate or underrate teams. HB probably underrated OSU for 5-6 years let alone a week or two. That being said, I don’t think we should ever accept one poster claiming he knows why another poster did something without the opportunity to hear from the actual poster. I’m confident you would prefer to clarify your stances instead of me making assumptive posts of the reason I think you took a stance. That’s been my entire point. Your logic and data side of the rankings is sound outside of that.
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I think they are too, though the Iowa, @Oregon, Nebraska, @ Penn State is looking to be a very tough stretch. They do have a bye week between Oregon and Nebraska though
Great
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These rankings should be fun. I hope we aren’t overthinking it.
I was on my annual golf trip so didn’t see UM v Texas. I have watched Oregon once, and they looked sharp. I have seen OSU twice, but they have had 2 patsies so can’t learn much.
I saw USC once, Iowa once and Nebraska once. If I were to rank them now, it would be just a fun, wild guess.
Plus, some teams do improve- often dramatically- as the season moves along. Michigan v USC should be a good one, and the Huskers v Illinois as well. We might learn more.
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These rankings should be fun. I hope we aren’t overthinking it.
I was on my annual golf trip so didn’t see UM v Texas. I have watched Oregon once, and they looked sharp. I have seen OSU twice, but they have had 2 patsies so can’t learn much.
I saw USC once, Iowa once and Nebraska once. If I were to rank them now, it would be just a fun, wild guess.
Plus, some teams do improve- often dramatically- as the season moves along. Michigan v USC should be a good one, and the Huskers v Illinois as well. We might learn more.
if you are not having fun doing these it might be time to take some time off and go fishing or bowling or knitting
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If I were to rank them now, it would be just a fun, wild guess.
This is why I don't participate. I don't want to think about these things all that much, don't watch enough games closely, so everything would be a wild-assed guess.
Plus what's the fun of ranking my team? We suck. Do you realize how painful it would be for me to put Purdue below IU? :'(
The big 20-team fantasy football league I'm in has everyone rank each team's draft results after draft day. Who's got time for that? So I didn't put any thought into it. The site told us how long each team took to make all of their picks, so I ranked them in order of aggregate amount of time taken during the draft--shorter is better.
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if you are not having fun doing these it might be time to take some time off and go fishing or bowling or knitting
I wasn't having enuff fun so, I went golfing