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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on September 02, 2024, 11:53:59 AM
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The game is at Noon on Fox. Texas opened as a 3.5 point favorite. Since then the spread has shifted to Texas -6.5. Only way Michigan wins this is with defense, which they have, and by controlling the ball and clock on offense.
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Knew I should have got the Horns at 3.5 the other day 😜
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I don’t see any way Michigan can win this game. The OL will gel and become a really good unit, but not in week 2. And most importantly: they don’t have a QB.
The defense will keep it close but Texas pulls away late. I’m think 27-17, Texas.
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I think Texas is a very experienced team with a lot of talent and a veteran coaching staff. They also have a lot of upperclassmen that have been in the program for several years.
I think Michigan is not quite so seasoned. They lost their HC. They lost several of their upper classmen.
Texas QB is much better than the Michigan QB.
I think Texas wins 35-17.
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https://twitter.com/cleve_lando/status/1830069423962538144/photo/1
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He's only coached one game, and he already has a booger pic?
That didn't take long.
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Gotta keep up the traditions
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He's only coached one game, and he already has a booger pic?
That didn't take long.
he’s coached 5 games.
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Damn straight we'll not listen to anymore of that blasphemy :D
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https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1830650814526013706
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Knew I should have got the Horns at 3.5 the other day 😜
I think you're safe at 6.5
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Michigan now +7 or +7.5....yeesh.
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As I've stated, I think it's going to be a close game. Michigan's defense is going to keep them in it and Texas' defense is good but inconsistent. If I were the Wolverines I'd just run straight at Texas and make the Horns stop it.
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On UT Campus today...
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As I've stated, I think it's going to be a close game. Michigan's defense is going to keep them in it and Texas' defense is good but inconsistent. If I were the Wolverines I'd just run straight at Texas and make the Horns stop it.
that and their defense making the game ugly for Texas' offense is the only chance they have sprinkled in with excellent special teams play by Michigan.
don't think the Michigan OL will be up to the task in week 2. and for them to run wild on Texas I think they'd need to have Alex Orji getting more than 5 or 6 snaps total like he did vs Fresno State. They'd need to really play him and run him at least 15 times and read option/RPO the shit out of Texas. Not sure they are going to play him all that much.
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I love it. Horns-down is still a sign of respect for Texas. It means we're in your head living rent-free.
Bring it on! :)
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that and their defense making the game ugly for Texas' offense is the only chance they have sprinkled in with excellent special teams play by Michigan.
don't think the Michigan OL will be up to the task in week 2. and for them to run wild on Texas I think they'd need to have Alex Orji getting more than 5 or 6 snaps total like he did vs Fresno State. They'd need to really play him and run him at least 15 times and read option/RPO the shit out of Texas. Not sure they are going to play him all that much.
That's just it-- I think Michigan is going to be successful enough at making it ugly, to stay in the game. Ultimately I think Texas should win, but it's going to be close and is one of those games that could go either way.
I do like that the Horns' QB and OL already have experience going on the road playing a big-time Top 10 team in their own home in a hostile environment, and coming away with a win. That game in Tuscaloosa last year should provide some experience and confidence, which might end up being the difference in the game.
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that and their defense making the game ugly for Texas' offense is the only chance they have sprinkled in with excellent special teams play by Michigan.
don't think the Michigan OL will be up to the task in week 2. and for them to run wild on Texas I think they'd need to have Alex Orji getting more than 5 or 6 snaps total like he did vs Fresno State. They'd need to really play him and run him at least 15 times and read option/RPO the shit out of Texas. Not sure they are going to play him all that much.
My only hope is that Michigan was playing possum in week one, although that doesn't explain the very poor accuracy at the qb position. I personally think this is a 14-17 point Texas victory, unless Michigan D creates some big turnovers. Texas looks very polished. Wolverines offensively look the opposite.
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I love it. Horns-down is still a sign of respect for Texas. It means we're in your head living rent-free.
Bring it on! :)
Things that bad down their in the infernal regions that you'd wanna live in a head rent free or otherwise?
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Things that bad down their in the infernal regions that you'd wanna live in a head rent free or otherwise?
Depends on how well the A/C works...
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I love it. Horns-down is still a sign of respect for Texas. It means we're in your head living rent-free.
Bring it on! :)
Ya, been worried about this game for nearly 9 months. But in the greater scheme of things its not as important as the conference games. After Sunday night playing USC in two and a half weeks is occupying more space in my head.
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Ya, been worried about this game for nearly 9 months. But in the greater scheme of things its not as important as the conference games. After Sunday night playing USC in two and a half weeks is occupying more space in my head.
I was actually replying to a twitter meme that Mdot posted and then deleted.
I don't really think too many Michigan fans are overly concerned with Texas specifically. It's a big game for both teams, it should be a lot of fun for the fans. As you say, it's irrelevant with respect to winning your conference championship.
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I was actually replying to a twitter meme that Mdot posted and then deleted.
I don't really think too many Michigan fans are overly concerned with Texas specifically. It's a big game for both teams, it should be a lot of fun for the fans. As you say, it's irrelevant with respect to winning your conference championship.
But...we'd still like to beat your burnt orange ass.
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every game is very important if the goal is the playoff
true, you don't have to be undefeated or even one loss to get in but, seeding is important and a 3rd loss could keep you out.
and non-con games are important to the committee at the end of the season - relative strength of conferences
between the SEC and the B1G - one conference might get 4 teams in, the other might only get 3 teams
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every game is very important if the goal is the playoff
true, you don't have to be undefeated or even one loss to get in but, seeding is important and a 3rd loss could keep you out.
and non-con games are important to the committee at the end of the season - relative strength of conferences
between the SEC and the B1G - one conference might get 4 teams in, the other might only get 3 teams
Sure but the point is, with 1 loss to another top team, your own top team isn't completely out of the national championship hunt. Not even close.
And if it's a non-conference loss, your chances at winning your conferences aren't affected at all.
But of course I want Texas to whip the snot out of Michigan. Obviously. I heard from fans that attended the '05 Rose Bowl that the Michigan fans out-arroganced the Texas fans, and I find that to be completely unacceptable.
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Sure but the point is, with 1 loss to another top team, your own top team isn't completely out of the national championship hunt. Not even close.
And it it's a non-conference loss, your chances at winning your conferences aren't affected at all.
But of course I want Texas to whip the snot out of Michigan. Obviously. I heard from fans that attended the '05 Rose Bowl that the Michigan fans out-arroganced the Texas fans, and I find that to be completely unacceptable.
that was one of the greatest games I've ever seen. Michigan was up 31-21 in the 4th QTR and then Vince Young just went fucking Superman on Michigan's D in that 4th QTR and they couldn't stop him for shit and Texas wins on a last second FG by 1 point with no time left on the clock. And then the very next year Vince Young did it again for the Natty vs USC. Man what an unbelievable player he was.
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That's just it-- I think Michigan is going to be successful enough at making it ugly, to stay in the game. Ultimately I think Texas should win, but it's going to be close and is one of those games that could go either way.
I do like that the Horns' QB and OL already have experience going on the road playing a big-time Top 10 team in their own home in a hostile environment, and coming away with a win. That game in Tuscaloosa last year should provide some experience and confidence, which might end up being the difference in the game.
that's a huge deal that can't be overlooked. the QB/OL are experienced, veteran, excellent. that kind of atmosphere isn't going to rattle them at all- they went into the lions den last year vs Bama and knocked them out.
Michigan's defense needs to play it's A+ game if they want to have a shot. Derrick Moore, Josaiah Stewart, Jaishawn Barhman, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Will Johnson all have to come to play.
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Sure but the point is, with 1 loss to another top team, your own top team isn't completely out of the national championship hunt. Not even close.
And if it's a non-conference loss, your chances at winning your conferences aren't affected at all.
But of course I want Texas to whip the snot out of Michigan. Obviously. I heard from fans that attended the '05 Rose Bowl that the Michigan fans out-arroganced the Texas fans, and I find that to be completely unacceptable.
On the arrogance front, only Notre Dame fans are in the same area as Michigan.
On the impact of the game . . .
It definitely isn't what it would have been just one year ago in the 4-team CFP and it isn't even close to what it would have been prior to that.
Side note, slightly off topic:
In years past part of me would have wanted Michigan to lose just because they are Michigan but my more practical/pragmatic side would have wanted Michigan to win to help clear a path for Ohio State to the NC. I think that those second-order considerations are more-or-less irrelevant now. Ie, I think that fans of tOSU and Oklahoma can freely cheer for their rival to lose without any real concern that their rivals winning would actually be better for their own team.
Back to the game's impact:
Clearly it has no impact on the league title races and a loss here wouldn't eliminate either team from the at-large race. In this new era I think we need to think more in terms of relative chances and the path being narrowed.
For the winner:
Winning this will provide an immediate boost in the rankings. It also helps with seeding. Further, it provides some safety net in the event of future losses. The winner here is probably in with three losses at 9-3 or 10-3.
For the loser:
The loss herevis far from fatal but it narrowes the path substantially. The loser probably needs to either win the rest of their regular season games or win their CCG.
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On the arrogance front, only Notre Dame fans are in the same area as Michigan.
Alabama and Ohio State fans would like a word....
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and Texas fans
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and Texas fans
Man we're not even getting like, 4th or 5th billing here.
This shall not stand!
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utee how you feeling about the new Texas DT's replacing Byron Murphy & T'Vondre Sweat after week 1? Michigan tackles first week played pretty well, but inside the line at guard-center-guard had some issues with communication on passing off blockers and who they were suppose to combo block- and they split reps between two different centers because it doesn't seem like either one has outright won the job.
this will be arguably the key matchup in the game that Michigan has to get right in a week or they stand very little shot.
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Sark is 1-4 vs Top 10 teams (at Texas). Sark's record vs Top 10 teams in his stops at Washington & USC was 1-5, with the win coming when he was at Washington vs #3 USC. Career wise vs Top 10 ranked teams he's 2-9.
Sark's record vs Top 10's at Texas:
2021: vs #6 Oklahoma - L by 7 points
2022: vs #1 Alabama - L by 1 point (probably should've won that one)
2022: vs #4 TCU - L by 7 points
2023: @ #3 Alabama - W by 10 points
2023: vs #2 Washington - L by 6 points
That win on the road vs Bama was huge and really a turning point for him and that program. Before that Sark was a pretty mediocre coach at Washington & USC, but he seems to have turned a corner as a coach at Texas.
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also, how are Texas' LB's/Safeties in coverage vs TE's?
that could be a huge matchup for Michigan if Texas struggles to cover the TE. Colston Loveland might just be the best TE the entire nation. Michigan needs to feed him targets. If he doesn't get 10-15 targets this game it'll be a mistake on the OC's part.
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Alabama and Ohio State fans would like a word....
Alabama fans don't know words.
They'd look up 'rrogance in the dictionary under R, just like readin', writin', and 'rithmatic...
...if they owned a dictionary that is...
At least one thing I can say out here on the West Coast is that USC fans don't hold a candle to any of those schools... Those fans can be arrogant even when their teams suck. When USC sucks, good luck finding a USC fan anywhere around here! They're all cheering on the Rams and/or Chargers. :57:
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also: for Michigan to win the game they are going to need big play Donovan Edwards to show up, not 11 carries for 30 yards Donovan Edwards.
The kid is a god damn enigma at this point and I don't think his coaches know how to properly use him, but kid is as explosive and talented an offensive player as I've ever seen and has a knack of making huge plays in big games. they need that version of Donovan Edwards to show up on Saturday if they want a shot at all.
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this is pretty cool. greatest Michigan player ever, dude was Superman on the football field. he has a similar deal with the Raiders where he was a HOF player. official spirit drink of the Raiders and now Michigan- who will allow alcoholic beverage sales inside Michigan Stadium for the first time ever.
https://twitter.com/woodsonwhiskey/status/1830994766823387199
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Helluva a player but I'll stick with Jim,Jack or Johnnie
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My iPhone says it'll be cool in Ann Arbor on Saturday with a high of 60, with a chance of light rain from 7am through much of the game. Grasping at straws...
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the horns will pack their jackets
or parkas
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and Tito's
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23-20 kind of game.
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24-13
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utee how you feeling about the new Texas DT's replacing Byron Murphy & T'Vondre Sweat after week 1? Michigan tackles first week played pretty well, but inside the line at guard-center-guard had some issues with communication on passing off blockers and who they were suppose to combo block- and they split reps between two different centers because it doesn't seem like either one has outright won the job.
this will be arguably the key matchup in the game that Michigan has to get right in a week or they stand very little shot.
New DTs are coming along pretty well, they looked pretty good against CSU but CSU is obviously nowhere near Michigan-level. One thing folks don't seem to know is that Murphy and Sweat were 4* and 3* players that were actually coached up and developed whilst at Texas. It's been a long time since we've had a staff that can develop talent like this one, so that's a positive for us. But obviously Michigan is going to provide a MUCH bigger challenge.
Our DE/Edge guys are going to be monsters this year. Basically they're going to take on the terrorizing duties of the DL, so that's why I've said running straight at Texas is probably a better bet than attempting to make the edge. Texas' speed is freakish this year.
also, how are Texas' LB's/Safeties in coverage vs TE's?
that could be a huge matchup for Michigan if Texas struggles to cover the TE. Colston Loveland might just be the best TE the entire nation. Michigan needs to feed him targets. If he doesn't get 10-15 targets this game it'll be a mistake on the OC's part.
Loveland is going to be a problem for us. Under DC Pete K, historically we've had issues covering routes across the middle. A super-talented TE is kind of our kryptonite there. I'm hopeful some of these issues have been resolved this year, but this is a definite opportunity for Michigan.
also: for Michigan to win the game they are going to need big play Donovan Edwards to show up, not 11 carries for 30 yards Donovan Edwards.
The kid is a god damn enigma at this point and I don't think his coaches know how to properly use him, but kid is as explosive and talented an offensive player as I've ever seen and has a knack of making huge plays in big games. they need that version of Donovan Edwards to show up on Saturday if they want a shot at all.
Yup I think the offensive key for Michigan is going to be Edwards and the running game. I'm really baffled by his inconsistency. If he gets it going though, that's the way Michigan is going to burn clock, move the ball, and limit Texas' opportunities.
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Lots of local places getting in on it now...
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Any real SEC team would hammer Michigan by 25+…..
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For the winner:
Winning this will provide an immediate boost in the rankings. It also helps with seeding. Further, it provides some safety net in the event of future losses. The winner here is probably in with three losses at 9-3 or 10-3.
For the loser:
The loss here is far from fatal but it narrows the path substantially. The loser probably needs to either win the rest of their regular season games or win their CCG.
Fleshing this out a little bit using @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's simulation (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2024-spfpi-season-simulation/84/) to get a baseline:
In the simulation Texas wins here but loses the Red River rivalry game to Oklahoma and the season-ending in-state game against aTm to finish 10-2. Michigan loses in the simulation but then runs off nine straight wins before losing in Columbus to end the season. Thus both teams finished the regular season at 10-2.
Within the simulation Texas missed the SECCG at 6-2/10-2 but Michigan made the B1GCG at 8-1/10-2. Then Michigan lost the B1GCG so the teams finished:
- 10-2 #9 Texas
- 10-3 #10 Michigan
What was the impact of the game and what would have been the impact of it going the other way?
For Texas:
The win gets them into the CFP. With a loss they'd be 9-3 and likely out.
For Michigan:
The loss costs them a first round home game. With a win over Texas they'd have finished 11-2 and one of the top-4 at-large.
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Any real SEC team would hammer Michigan by 25+…..
Horns are probably not SEC ready. Gonna be a long season, especially the inevitable loss to that newly minted juggernaut in Nashville.
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Donovan Edwards in Top 10 matchups/CCGs/Playoffs (8 games)
120 carries, 921 yards, 7.6 YPC, 8 TD's
They need big game Donovan Edwards to show up.
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Donovan Edwards in Top 10 matchups/CCGs/Playoffs (8 games)
120 carries, 921 yards, 7.6 YPC, 8 TD's
They need big game Donovan Edwards to show up.
I don't know about all of these games but sometimes stats can be misleading.
Donovan Edwards vs tOSU in 2022:
22 carries, 216 yards, 9.8 ypc, 2 TD
WOW! That is an incredible stat line but lets look a little deeper:
Donovan Edwards first 17 carries vs tOSU (while the game was very much in doubt):
17 carries, 47 yards, 2.8 ypc, 0 TD
Donovan Edwards last five carries (the dagger and then carries after the game was effectively over):
5 carries, 169 yards, 33.8 ypc, 2 TD
Did Michigan win because of Donovan Edwards, IMHO not really.
Here is the thing:
I've said this before and I think I'm in agreement with you @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) here but it "feels" like Donovan Edwards *SHOULD* be a superstar. So as a fan of a rival I'm always worried about him but he hasn't really ever done much damage to my team. Those last five carries in the 2022 game were spectacular but the game was more-or-less over before they happened. Edwards' 17 for 47 prior to that is obviously not problematic and in the 2023 game he had 10 for 31. It "felt like" I should have been more worried about him than Corum but Corum had 22 for 88 so that was a lot more damaging to my team.
On paper Donovan Edwards is a phenomenal back but games aren't played on paper they are played inside little TV sets and in actual games . . .
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Top 5 Texas players all-time? Top 5 Michigan?
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I don't know about all of these games but sometimes stats can be misleading.
Donovan Edwards vs tOSU in 2022:
22 carries, 216 yards, 9.8 ypc, 2 TD
WOW! That is an incredible stat line but lets look a little deeper:
Donovan Edwards first 17 carries vs tOSU (while the game was very much in doubt):
17 carries, 47 yards, 2.8 ypc, 0 TD
Donovan Edwards last five carries (the dagger and then carries after the game was effectively over):
5 carries, 169 yards, 33.8 ypc, 2 TD
Did Michigan win because of Donovan Edwards, IMHO not really.
Here is the thing:
I've said this before and I think I'm in agreement with you @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) here but it "feels" like Donovan Edwards *SHOULD* be a superstar. So as a fan of a rival I'm always worried about him but he hasn't really ever done much damage to my team. Those last five carries in the 2022 game were spectacular but the game was more-or-less over before they happened. Edwards' 17 for 47 prior to that is obviously not problematic and in the 2023 game he had 10 for 31. It "felt like" I should have been more worried about him than Corum but Corum had 22 for 88 so that was a lot more damaging to my team.
On paper Donovan Edwards is a phenomenal back but games aren't played on paper they are played inside little TV sets and in actual games . . .
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It's definitely easy to manipulate numbers and act like someone is or is not an impact.. Looks like both sides can do it.. because when the game was in jeopardy and Michigan was only up 4, Donovan was the biggest part of the offense that lead to JJ's qb sneak touchdown.
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Then when OSU brought the game within 1 score again with plenty of time remaining.. Edwards put the nail in the coffin. You can spin it however you want and if you want to dismiss the final 85 yarder, then so be it, but don't for a second try to convince others that his 75 yarder td was not relevant and was not meaningful. It absolute was.
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Wow it took 4 pages for this to become a Michigan-Ohio State thread. Y'all are slipping.
:)
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Michigan 24, Texas 20
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It's definitely easy to manipulate numbers and act like someone is or is not an impact.. Looks like both sides can do it.. because when the game was in jeopardy and Michigan was only up 4, Donovan was the biggest part of the offense that lead to JJ's qb sneak touchdown.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1URFXf.png)
Then when OSU brought the game within 1 score again with plenty of time remaining.. Edwards put the nail in the coffin. You can spin it however you want and if you want to dismiss the final 85 yarder, then so be it, but don't for a second try to convince others that his 75 yarder td was not relevant and was not meaningful. It absolute was.
I looked at the Worldwide Leader's "Chance of victory" thing:
- Once Michigan forced a FG and tOSU made the FG to make it a one score game at 31-23 ESPN says M's chance was 92.4%.
- After the 75 yard TD run M's chance was 98.8%.
Did it matter, sure but it improved M's chances by 6.4% from almost certain to absolutely certain.
The thing is that yes, it was technically a one-score game at 31-23 but that drive started with 7:23 to go and it was "one score" but you have to include the 2pt conversion so in order for Ohio State to win (in one score), all of the following needed to happen at that point:
- Ohio State has to stop M
- Ohio State has to score a TD
- Ohio State has to get a 2pt conversion
- Ohio State has to stop M again (assuming that #2 doesn't chew up the remaining time)
- Ohio State has to win in OT.
The problem for tOSU in that situation is that they need to win all five. None are individually all that unlikely but M only needs one. Even if we assume that all of those are 50/50 propositions individually, the chances of them ALL happening are pretty small:
- 50% chance to stop M
- 25% chance to stop M and score a TD
- 12.5% chance to stop M, score a TD, and get 2pt to tie it up
- 6.25% chance to stop M, score a TD, get a 2pt to tie it up, and stop M again
- 3.125% chance to stop M, score a TD, get a 2pt to tie it up, stop M again, and win in OT.
I'm not saying and didn't say that it didn't matter. I referred to it as "the dagger" because it was but the game was more-or-less decided BEFORE that play happened. According to ESPN that play improved M's chances by 6.4%.
The later TD, the 85 yarder only improved M's chances by 0.1% from 99.8% to 99.9% so yes, I'm absolutely dismissing the final 85 yarder as irrelevant to the outcome of the game.
FWIW:
Getting argumentative about it doesn't make much sense to me. M won, tOSU lost. So if I make an argument that Donovan Edwards wasn't that big of a contributor that isn't to say that tOSU won. We already know the result. Credit taken away from Donovan Edwards necessarily must be credited to some other M player.
In the same vein, my argument all along is that the failure for tOSU in that game was the offense not the Defense. The defense "looks" bad because M scored 45 points but half-way through the fourth quarter the tOSU D had held M to 31 points. IMHO, part of the blame for the last two M TD's has to go to the tOSU Offense. At that point in the game the tOSU defense was gambling and for good reason. They were gambling because they were down 8 (later 15) and needed to QUICKLY get a stop. Playing solid defense and forcing a punt after a five minute drive really doesn't help there*. In that situation it makes sense to stack the line and *HOPE* for a stop. If you stop them in three plays you get the ball back with ~6 minutes to go and it is a game. The obvious downside is exactly what happened. If you stack the line and don't stop them at or near the line it is a TD because there is nobody back there.
That last part is my point vis-a-vis Edwards. A big part of the reason that he got a 75 yard TD there was because the tOSU defense was fully committed to getting a stop RIGHT at the line. Once he broke through it was all over. Had that play happened against a typical defense it probably would have been a nice gain of say 5-15 yards.
*In theory tOSU would still have a chance with the ball and down by 8 with ~2.5 minutes to play but that chance is MINIMAL. If I'm Ryan Day / Jim Knowles at the 7.5 minute mark I'm rolling the dice because an IMMEDIATE stop gives tOSU at least two ways to win:
- Score, get the 2pt, win in OT, or
- Score twice.
If you get down to 2.5 minutes to go your only chance is #1.
Finally one stat that isn't listed but I think is underappreciated is something akin to the Baseball concept of "stranded runners". In that 2022 game Michigan was incredibly efficient. Not counting kneeling down at the very end, M had 13 possessions and here is what they resulted in:
- 6 TD's
- 1 FG
- 1 Missed FG
- 5 3-and-outs.
There is VERY little wasted there.
In contrast, Ohio State was extremely inefficient. They also had 13 possessions (not counting kneeling at the half) and here is what they got:
- 2 TD's
- 3 FG's
- 2 INT's (both late after the game was more-or-less decided: one after 10 plays for 59 yards and one after 4 plays for 12 yards)
- 1 loss on downs - after 8 plays for 36 yards
- 3 3-and-outs
- 1 punt after 5 plays for 17 yards
- 1 punt after 4 plays for 21 yards
On the FG's tOSU got as close as the 9, the 14, and the 29. Those three, the loss on downs, and the two INT's together account for a boatload of yards that tOSU got only 9 points out of. That is a lot of "wasted" yards.
Conversely, M "wasted" almost nothing. On the FG they never got closer than the tOSU 31 and on the missed FG it was only a 4 play, 18 yard drive that never got closer than the tOSU 39.
This doesn't matter much when viewed in light of the 45-23 final AFTER the two late M TD runs AND the two late tOSU INT's but if you back up to the half-way point of the fourth quarter it matters a LOT. At that point:
- TD's: 4 for M, 2 for tOSU
- FG's: 1 for M, 3 for tOSU
- Missed FG: 1 for M
- 3-and-outs: 5 for M, 3 for tOSU
- Other drives: 0 for M, 3 for tOSU
Efficiency matters a LOT. Recall that at this point M led 31-23. If you convert one of tOSU's FG's to a TD it is a 4 point game. Two of them and it is tied. Or if you convert one of tOSU's productive but non-scoring drives to points it is a 1 or 5 point game instead of 8.
None of that is to say that M didn't do what they did. It is discussion of WHAT was the difference. IMHO, the problem for tOSU was the ineffectiveness and particularly inefficiency of their offense. Conversely, the credit for M belongs to their defense and specifically for their ability to minimize the damage. They gave up yards but not points.
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Top 5 Texas players all-time? Top 5 Michigan?
Wow that's tough.
I guess I can at least list my favorite Michigan players, not necessarily a top 5.
Desmond Howard
Tyrone Wheatley
Steve Breaston
Ty Law
Charles Woodson
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MB, while I agree with your data side of it, if you were a Michigan fan that went through a VERY LONG period of losing to the rival and never finishing the job in games that were competitive(which many weren't), the Edwards 75 yarder would have been more meaningful to you. Yes, the odds to win might have shown in the 90's, but that run... was the moment, Michigan faithful that had been through a long stretch, that they were able to feel the "this is happening!" moment.
I get your perspective, but when you're a team that goes through a period of not shutting the door, it makes plays like that even more powerful when the game is technically not over. Stats say one thing.. living through Tressel and Urban told me that game wasn't over and that TD was big.
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I saw this which made me chuckle
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Wow it took 4 pages for this to become a Michigan-Ohio State thread. Y'all are slipping.
:)
well in fairness it wasn't that til our resident Michigan obsessed Ohio State fan showed up and dropped us a 492 page dissertation on how someone who rips off 50-60+ yard runs in nearly every big game (top 10/CCG/playoff) that he plays in isn't that good.
reminds me a lot of the people who used to say that about Barry Sanders. "Well if you take away 40 yard run in this game or his 60 yard run in this one, or his 80 yard run in this one, he didn't really do anything". Lol.
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Michigan 24, Texas 20
I hope you're right, but I just don't see a path to that.
I'm thinking 27-16, Texas. Michigan kicks a bunch of FG's but gets a lone TD from either D or ST's out-right scoring or setting up a short field, and it's close into the 4th QTR and then the Michigan D runs out of gas and Texas pulls away.
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I hope you're right, but I just don't see a path to that.
I'm thinking 27-16, Texas. Michigan kicks a bunch of FG's but gets a lone TD from either D or ST's out-right scoring or setting up a short field, and it's close into the 4th QTR and then the Michigan D runs out of gas and Texas pulls away.
Im not sure Texas has a between the tackle running option, with their August injuries. Granted, Im not sure Michigan does either, I think Michigan has the better secondary. Ultimately, it comes down to me to the fact that Michigan hasnt lost a home game with fans in the stands since 2019. And they havent lost at home to anyone other than OSU and MSU since Brady Hoke was coach
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Im not sure Texas has a between the tackle running option, with their August injuries. Granted, Im not sure Michigan does either, I think Michigan has the better secondary. Ultimately, it comes down to me to the fact that Michigan hasnt lost a home game with fans in the stands since 2019. And they havent lost at home to anyone other than OSU and MSU since Brady Hoke was coach
I thought Mullings looked really good between the tackles when they started feeding him in the 2nd half and that OL started playing a lot better once Greg Crippen was put in a center. Mulling is a 230 pound punishing runner with quick feet, reminds me a lot of Hassan Haskins.
I just think it comes down to this, Texas has a very good veteran OL and a very good veteran QB that have played in huge games on the road like this one. Michigan's OL will be fine by the end of the year- but it's still working out the kinks and probably not going to be ready week 2. Also: I am not sure they even have a QB to be honest. Davis Warren and Alex Orji don't exactly inspire a whole lot of confidence.
Michigan's defense does have the ability to wreck the game though. Not saying it will happen, but they have a lot of dudes on that side of the ball, and if a couple of them show up with their A+ game it could make life difficult for Texas' offense.
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They need big game Donovan Edwards to show up.
He just might when Walter and Barry are done shaking his hand
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Tough to feel confident in the Michigan offense, so the task for the the defense to keep them in the game. Probably going to depend on the secondary, which is a bit inexperienced outside of Will Johnson. Texas likes screens and RPO's and so you have to be pretty sound on the back end in tackling in space.
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Tough to feel confident in the Michigan offense, so the task for the the defense to keep them in the game. Probably going to depend on the secondary, which is a bit inexperienced outside of Will Johnson. Texas likes screens and RPO's and so you have to be pretty sound on the back end in tackling in space.
Jyaire Hill the CB opposite Will Johnson and Zeke Berry the nickel are a bit inexperienced, but both were highly recruited players who are excellent athletes who beat out older more experienced guys in camp for their starting spots. I'm very high on both of them, and both played very well vs Fresno State in their first starts. Whole new challenge and ball game however and a massive step up in talent/competition level with Texas coming to town.
Their safeties are all very experienced. Makari Paige is a senior multi-year starter at strong safety, and a pretty god damn good one. Quentin Johnson at free safety is a 6th year guy who played 350 snaps for them last year and another 300 the year before that. He's very experienced. The backups are Wesley Walker who is another 6th year guy who transferred from Tennessee where he was a starter and Jaden Mangham who is a true junior who transferred from Michigan State where he was a starter and probably the best defensive back on that entire defense.
Rod Moore getting hurt really sucks because he was probably the best free safety in the entire B1G and one of the top handful free safeties in the entire country and a sure-fire NFL draft pick. Poor kid was banged up much of last year and didn't start coming on until the end of the year, there was another level he could've taken his game up this year as a senior.
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Top 5 Texas players all-time? Top 5 Michigan?
Do we have to include all the Fielding Yost players, from back before the Civil War?
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Do we have to include all the Fielding Yost players, from back before the Civil War?
I know people from Ohio are typically dumb inbred hicks, but the American civil war was fought in the 1860's.
Fielding Yost was the head coach at Michigan in the early 1900's and 1920's.
1860 comes before 1900.
:)
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this is pretty cool, because he's a great actor and I'm a legit fan of his, but doesn't the team hosting the game typically have the guest? at least that's how it usually works on ESPN's college game day far as I can remember.
it's almost like arguably the greatest player in NFL history who happens to work for Fox Sports didn't go to Michigan. Lol.
https://twitter.com/BNKonFOX/status/1831419441902764087
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https://twitter.com/swankywolverine/status/1831445144605991365
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I know people from Ohio are typically dumb inbred hicks, but the American civil war was fought in the 1860's.
Fielding Yost was the head coach at Michigan in the early 1900's and 1920's.
1860 comes before 1900.
:)
It's called hyperbole, but you can amend it to WWI if you like.
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https://twitter.com/swankywolverine/status/1831445144605991365
This is obviously wrong since Texas should be #2 on the list this week, hence my shirt choice today.
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Stumbled across this in the twitterverse. She has two real good points:
https://twitter.com/Michellek4040/status/1831311298333696085?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1831311298333696085%7Ctwgr%5E884046cce0b66c400da94c250bed1b13c78b807a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FMichellek4040%2Fstatus%2F1831311298333696085%3Fs%3D19
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well in fairness it wasn't that til our resident Michigan obsessed Ohio State fan showed up and dropped us a 492 page dissertation on how someone who rips off 50-60+ yard runs in nearly every big game (top 10/CCG/playoff) that he plays in isn't that good.
reminds me a lot of the people who used to say that about Barry Sanders. "Well if you take away 40 yard run in this game or his 60 yard run in this one, or his 80 yard run in this one, he didn't really do anything". Lol.
You yourself called him an enigma and somewhere on here @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) questioned whether he would ever live up to his talent. This isn't some crazy hater thing, I'm of the same opinion as you two. I look at Edwards on paper and think he should be an absolute super-star but he just doesn't seem to quite get there and I'm not sure why.
I actually feel the same about Henderson at Ohio State only in his case I know why, he has battled injuries for basically his entire tOSU tenure.
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MB, while I agree with your data side of it, if you were a Michigan fan that went through a VERY LONG period of losing to the rival and never finishing the job in games that were competitive(which many weren't), the Edwards 75 yarder would have been more meaningful to you. Yes, the odds to win might have shown in the 90's, but that run... was the moment, Michigan faithful that had been through a long stretch, that they were able to feel the "this is happening!" moment.
I get your perspective, but when you're a team that goes through a period of not shutting the door, it makes plays like that even more powerful when the game is technically not over. Stats say one thing.. living through Tressel and Urban told me that game wasn't over and that TD was big.
This makes perfect sense to me. It is a matter of perspective. From my perspective the game was pretty much already lost. In my head I was still calculating possibilities but I was well aware that the chances were near-zero so Edwards' 75 yard run didn't really sting because to me it was already over. I'll also add that the bigger issue to me was whether or not tOSU got the stop so the first 10 yards of his run stung more than the last 65. Ie, from my perspective any realistic chance of tOSU winning died once he crossed the line to gain so the other 65 yards were superfluous.
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This is obviously wrong since Texas should be #2 on the list this week, hence my shirt choice today.
That's it, i'm driving down to the Medina Square to find this hooligan. Might be an excuse to stop at Circles on the Square and Olive Tap, but we can't have this Texas supporters roaming our streets.
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This makes perfect sense to me. It is a matter of perspective. From my perspective the game was pretty much already lost. In my head I was still calculating possibilities but I was well aware that the chances were near-zero so Edwards' 75 yard run didn't really sting because to me it was already over. I'll also add that the bigger issue to me was whether or not tOSU got the stop so the first 10 yards of his run stung more than the last 65. Ie, from my perspective any realistic chance of tOSU winning died once he crossed the line to gain so the other 65 yards were superfluous.
so when your team is down 8 with 7 minutes to go, you think a first down seals it? yes, we have different perspectives.
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That's it, i'm driving down to the Medina Square to find this hooligan. Might be an excuse to stop at Circles on the Square and Olive Tap, but we can't have this Texas supporters roaming our streets.
I'm a block and a half from circles and I'd meet you there but I have a Service Club meeting for lunch.
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so when your team is down 8 with 7 minutes to go, you think a first down seals it? yes, we have different perspectives.
Not 100%, no but reality starts to set in.
In my mental calculations suppose Edwards tripped and fell exactly at the first down marker so it is 1st and 10 Michigan at the M 35 with ~7 minutes to go and M protecting a 31-23 lead, in my head:
- M can (and will) run three times and chew up 35-40 seconds per play so close to 2 minutes
- Even with a three-and-out, M will be punting from around their 40 with around 5 minutes to go
- Unless their punter epically fails, they'll stick that close to the goal line
- Ohio State ball almost 100 yards from the EZ with <5 minutes to go and needing a TD, a 2pt Conv, a Stop, and to win in OT.
What the first down did was it effectively eliminated the possibility of tOSU winning in two scores. With an immediate stop the Buckeyes would have gotten the ball in decent field position with closer to 6 minutes to go so if they scored quickly the 2pt conversion wouldn't necessarily be do-or-die because they'd have enough time to possibly get a stop then go kick a FG to win.
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I'm a block and a half from circles and I'd meet you there but I have a Service Club meeting for lunch.
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Hook 'em Horns!
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I'm a block and a half from circles and I'd meet you there but I have a Service Club meeting for lunch.
I'm too far North, but I'm good for a few times a year parading my family around the square in all Maize and Blue, especially into Circles as my cousin owns it and they are HUGE Buckeye fans. If you need help with your attire, I can overnight you Western Michigan gear for tomorrow?
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this is pretty cool, because he's a great actor and I'm a legit fan of his, but doesn't the team hosting the game typically have the guest? at least that's how it usually works on ESPN's college game day far as I can remember.
it's almost like arguably the greatest player in NFL history who happens to work for Fox Sports didn't go to Michigan. Lol.
https://twitter.com/BNKonFOX/status/1831419441902764087
A lot of Aggies believe that Texas controls the media and we have agents placed all over the world exerting influence to direct the narrative in favorable directions.
Maybe they're right!
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I'm too far North, but I'm good for a few times a year parading my family around the square in all Maize and Blue, especially into Circles as my cousin owns it and they are HUGE Buckeye fans. If you need help with your attire, I can overnight you Western Michigan gear for tomorrow?
Ohio State's early season schedule is so pathetic that I honestly didn't even know which Directional Michigan they were playing on Saturday.
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Ohio State's early season schedule is so pathetic that I honestly didn't even know which Directional Michigan they were playing on Saturday.
ooof just looked at your schedule, that's... sad.
The good news is, you've got the Horns coming to Columbus next year!
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ooof just looked at your schedule, that's... sad.
The good news is, you've got the Horns coming to Columbus next year!
It undeniably is.
The Buckeyes typically have one marquee OOC each year and I think that the one planned for this year ended up switching leagues so the game got canceled and now we are left with two MAC teams and We Are Marshall.
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That's it, i'm driving down to the Medina Square to find this hooligan. Might be an excuse to stop at Circles on the Square and Olive Tap, but we can't have this Texas supporters roaming our streets.
Who is this "WE" drivel on our OHIO streets??? 99.9% of "WE" has two words for you - HOOK 'EM 😎
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I'm a block and a half from circles and I'd meet you there but I have a Service Club meeting for lunch.
I'm too far North, but I'm good for a few times a year parading my family around the square in all Maize and Blue, especially into Circles as my cousin owns it and they are HUGE Buckeye fans.
Well I'd come down there and referee these shennanigan's but I'm down to one vehicle and with what UBER charges for that drive i could have many,many pitchers of draught at the corner. So I might just have to hire some Connor guy to have that filmed for discretionary puposes
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A lot of Aggies believe that Texas controls the media and we have agents placed all over the world exerting influence to direct the narrative in favorable directions.
Maybe they're right!
so the conspiracy theorists are right....Texas and the jews control the media.
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Ohio State's early season schedule is so pathetic that I honestly didn't even know which Directional Michigan they were playing on Saturday.
hey worked for Michigan last year. work out the kinks, play guys minimally and let banged up starters heal up.
although I will say you have to give Michigan some credit because they went through an absolute gauntlet at the end of the year to win it all, @Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa (terrible offense, but top flight defense), Bama (SEC champs, Saban), and Washington (top 10 NFL draft pick QB, 3 NFL WR's, NFL TE, 3 NFL OL's).
I actually love the new 12 team format simply because I think we're going to see a lot more of these huge non-con games going forward because an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be. And I'm all for the big OOC matchups. Love seeing games like Texas-Michigan, USC-LSU, Bama-Wisconsin.
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Urbz breaks down Michigan's two-QB system. Wonder what his thoughts are on their new kicker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfFhidYk2k
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Well I'd come down there and referee these shennanigan's but I'm down to one vehicle and with what UBER charges for that drive i could have many,many pitchers of draught at the corner. So I might just have to hire some Connor guy to have that filmed for discretionary puposes
I'll stop by to pick you up.. Don't use this Uber nonsense.
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so the conspiracy theorists are right....Texas and the jews control the media.
Don't be silly that's the Blue Wall Detroit Media just ask any Spartan or Buckeye fan
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I'll stop by to pick you up.. Don't use this Uber nonsense.
Ya sure I'll get in your cousins pub and it's prolly an M Den and he's Jay Harbaugh or Schemy - they might get me in a rush but I'll take someone out with me ;D
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ok so it looks like Michigan will also have a guest on the Fox Sports show as well. McConaughey and the bi-racial angel himself, El Capitan.
https://twitter.com/BNKonFOX/status/1831465546929545592
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Don't be silly that's the Blue Wall Detroit Media just ask any Spartan or Buckeye fan
buddy there is no detroit media lol. detroit is a smallish market and no one listens to local radio shows or reads local newspapers anymore, it's not 1957.
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PFF's top 10 NFL draft prospects.
Hard to believe a QB won't wind up going #1. My guess is Carson Beck winds up as the #1 overall pick in 2025.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1831680431076606057
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only previous Texas-Michigan matchup. Vince Young was superman out on that football field...
https://twitter.com/TexasFootball/status/1831696542215872521
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ok so it looks like Michigan will also have a guest on the Fox Sports show as well. McConaughey and the bi-racial angel himself, El Capitan.
https://twitter.com/BNKonFOX/status/1831465546929545592
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11AXKv66Uac
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Urbz breaks down Michigan's two-QB system. Wonder what his thoughts are on their new kicker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCfFhidYk2k
I strongly dislike him as a person, but he's simply one of the best football coaches of our generation.
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I strongly dislike him as a person, but he's simply one of the best football coaches of our generation.
I mean was that ever even up for debate/question?
if not for Saban being the monster that he was at Bama, Urbz might've gone down in history are the greatest college coach ever.
honestly outside of Saban have a hard time saying anyone was better than Urbz in college. he's way up in the convo. he only coached like 12 years at big-time programs like OSU/UF. Who knows how many Nattys he'd have if he coached 25 years at a helmet.
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hey worked for Michigan last year. work out the kinks, play guys minimally and let banged up starters heal up.
although I will say you have to give Michigan some credit because they went through an absolute gauntlet at the end of the year to win it all, @Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa (terrible offense, but top flight defense), Bama (SEC champs, Saban), and Washington (top 10 NFL draft pick QB, 3 NFL WR's, NFL TE, 3 NFL OL's).
When Ohio State won the first 4-team CFP in 2014 it occurred to me that probably no team had ever finished their season with a more insane final four games. After beating Indiana at home to get to 10-1 their last four were:
- 42-28 home win over Michigan. The Wolverines were sub .500 and unranked but it is still a rivalry game.
- 59-0 neutral site B1GCG win over (then) #11 Wisconsin
- 42-35 "neutral" site Sugar Bowl win over #1 Bama in their backyard
- 42-20 neutral site win over #2 Oregon in Dallas
It is only going to get crazier as we head into the 12-team era. Per @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's simulation, Ohio State's path this year could end with:
- Home vs #3 Michigan
- Home vs #10 Georgia
- "Neutral" site Sugar Bowl vs #2 Louisiana State University in New Orleans, Louisiana
- Neutral site Orange Bowl in Miami vs #5 Mizzou
- Neutral site vs #9 Texas in Atlanta
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I actually love the new 12 team format simply because I think we're going to see a lot more of these huge non-con games going forward because an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be. And I'm all for the big OOC matchups. Love seeing games like Texas-Michigan, USC-LSU, Bama-Wisconsin.
To me this is a trade-off. Yes there will probably be more big early OOC matchups because, as you said, "an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be", but they will not be as intense and meaningful because, as you said, "an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be."
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To me this is a trade-off. Yes there will probably be more big early OOC matchups because, as you said, "an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be", but they will not be as intense and meaningful because, as you said, "an early season loss in them isn't a death sentence like it used to be."
As I grow older, NONE of it is as intense and meaningful as it used to be, so I guess I'll take the side of the tradeoff where we (hopefully) get to see more big intersectional matchups, and be happy with it.
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As I grow older, NONE of it is as intense and meaningful as it used to be, so I guess I'll take the side of the tradeoff where we (hopefully) get to see more big intersectional matchups, and be happy with it.
agreed.
I would much rather see the huge marquee non-con matchups become standard than continue to watch the helmets vs directional state schools and fcs sisters of the poor.
I think they should mandate a rule you can only play vs fbs and two of them have to be p4.
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I mean was that ever even up for debate/question?
Not really, but any opportunity to vocally state he is disliked as a person, i capitalize on.
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Not really, but any opportunity to vocally state he is disliked as a person, i capitalize on.
Meh. Urbz is a sleaze bag but he’s not a priest, he’s a football coach. He’s paid to win football games. Lots and lots of football games. That’s it.
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As I grow older, NONE of it is as intense and meaningful as it used to be, so I guess I'll take the side of the tradeoff where we (hopefully) get to see more big intersectional matchups, and be happy with it.
My issue--as I've stated a lot--is that the season is now intense and meaningful... For about 20 teams. Maybe each individual game isn't as intense, but getting a seat at the table of 12 is.
For the other 110 FBS teams? Eh. Maybe you'll go to a bowl game. Not that anyone cares. It's not the playoff.
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My issue--as I've stated a lot--is that the season is now intense and meaningful... For about 20 teams. Maybe each individual game isn't as intense, but getting a seat at the table of 12 is.
For the other 110 FBS teams? Eh. Maybe you'll go to a bowl game. Not that anyone cares. It's not the playoff.
Yeah I get it, which is why I always come back to-- the game is for entertainment. You're supposed to enjoy the game itself, as it plays out on the field, between the white lines. If you find yourself not enjoying THAT part, then what's the point?
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buddy there is no detroit media lol. detroit is a smallish market and no one listens to local radio shows or reads local newspapers anymore, it's not 1957.
Ya right Valenti has a huge following in and outside the area
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PFF's top 10 NFL draft prospects.
Hard to believe a QB won't wind up going #1. My guess is Carson Beck winds up as the #1 overall pick in 2025.
Top 10 Prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft
Go to hear a fine yr to bitch slap the walvies
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Ya right Valenti has a huge following in and outside the area
lol no he doesn't.
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Yeah I get it, which is why I always come back to-- the game is for entertainment. You're supposed to enjoy the game itself, as it plays out on the field, between the white lines. If you find yourself not enjoying THAT part, then what's the point?
The quality of the entertainment is somewhat dependent on the stakes involved.
I play golf. I'm very entertained out there. I wouldn't expect you or anyone else in the world to want to watch my golf on TV. Me and my normal group are a bunch of crappy golfers playing a $1 skins game. It wouldn't be entertaining to anyone but us. The stakes may matter to us, but they wouldn't to an outside observer.
Likewise, I play golf, but not just because I like hitting good shots (i.e. the "between the white lines" idea). I can hit good shots on the driving range. The difference is on the golf course, good shots / bad shots have rewards / consequences. On the driving range, good shots are meaningless, as are bad shots. The stakes matter.
Similarly, there's a big dust-up in professional golf over the past few years. You have the PGA Tour, and then you have an upstart league funded by the Saudi PIF called LIV Golf. That upstart league has paid some star golfers obscene amounts of money to join their tour. They play for consistently larger purses than the PGA Tour. And it's an entertainment FAIL, because what people are playing for on the PGA Tour has history, meaning, and consequences.
To me, the history / meaning / consequences in the old days of the bowl system were significant. It was entertaining, BECAUSE there was reason to care. Getting to a bowl game was something that a team like mine could take pride in, and then you hoped you might have a chance at a "prestigious" bowl game. I've been to Jan 1 bowl games for my team, the 2000 Outback Bowl and the 2001 Rose Bowl. Bowl games mattered. Now they don't.
What the CFP system is doing is asking ~110 teams to put a helmet on and run into a brick wall, over and over and over, when 20 or so teams are on the other side of the wall. Those teams are never getting through, but they're are asked to keep running into the wall because the money is good enough that they're not going to stop. Parity might be the wrecking ball for that wall, but with NIL / transfer portal we're going the exact opposite direction from anything that might improve parity.
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https://twitter.com/BNKonFOX/status/1831785739652362556
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now that's a DL unit....all 4 of these guys are NFL draft picks. bold prediction: 3 of them will go in the 1st round.
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https://twitter.com/H8OU2/status/1831806949282693191
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Who would prevail in an altercation between a longhorn bull and an actual wolverine?
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Who would prevail in an altercation between a longhorn bull and an actual wolverine?
better question, would win in a fight between the cavillrine and the actual wolverine?
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cavillrine???
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better question, would win in a fight between the cavillrine and the actual wolverine?
Cavillrine because in addition to Wolverine powers he also has Superman powers and Witcher powers.
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What the CFP system is doing is asking ~110 teams to put a helmet on and run into a brick wall, over and over and over, when 20 or so teams are on the other side of the wall. Those teams are never getting through, but they're are asked to keep running into the wall because the money is good enough that they're not going to stop. Parity might be the wrecking ball for that wall, but with NIL / transfer portal we're going the exact opposite direction from anything that might improve parity.
The other 120 teams are willingly choosing this option.
They’re doing it for the money for the AD as a whole. My son goes to Sam Houston. They just won the NC in football in 2021 for FCS. Last year, they entered D1. They have played for the National Championship in FCS football 2-3 times over the last 20 years.
They will never even sniff a playoff game in D1. They will have a great year if they win 5-6 games. But the AD as a whole will make more money.
I really don’t understand why any small programs that are successful willingly go to D1, other than money.
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cavillrine???
it's from the new deadpool & wolverine movie.
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Cavillrine because in addition to Wolverine powers he also has Superman powers and Witcher powers.
Henry Cavill might be the best cast actor ever cast for a role who got screwed over by god awful directors/writers twice. that first Superman movie with Russell Crowe as Superman's dad was pretty good. little clunky because Zak Snyder sucks at making movies, but in all pretty solid and probably should've replaced Zak Snyder and brought in someone else to direct a sequel. instead they gave Zak Snyder an unlimited budget to make an abortion like Batman vs Superman and a god awful Justice League movie- and both movies crashed and burned lost hundreds of millions of dollars and that was that. no more sequel.
And The Witcher was very promising that first season, Henry Cavill was excellent in that role. And Netflix does what they always do and just fucked shit up. Apparently shitlib woke Hollywood fucksticks can't just you know, stick to the fucking source material. Keep it simple stupid. Don't think I've ever seen a show with so much promise turn that quickly into a steaming pile of horseshit, but Netflix gonna Netflix.
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I think the biggest problem with the Zack Snyder Superman movies is that for some reason, Zack Snyder really just seems to hate Superman. I'm not sure what he has against the Last Son of Krypton but he treats him so horribly in his movies.
Still, I think Cavill did a great job with what he had. And I actually thought the re-shot Zack Snyder cut of Justice League was good, much much better than the abortion they sent to theaters originally.
I enjoyed all of the Witcher seasons, probably primarily because of Yennifer's willingness to wear skimpy clothing (or nothing at all). But Cavill is obviously great in the role. I never played the game and have no idea what "woke" insertions might have been made, but as someone who doesn't know or care about the source material, it all played just fine for me.
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can they get to 150 rushing yards on 4.0 YPC vs a very good Texas defense. That's the $64,000 question.
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1831898096667914583
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Xavier Worthy balled out in his NFL debut. you're welcome Texas!
https://twitter.com/MetaWootenPeace/status/1831895040538636326
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Thanks, we needed him more than y'all did. Wasn't his fault the Horns didn't win every game, the defense really let us down in both losses.
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How many programs realistically could make the playoff in the next decade? I think it's quite a few, even excluding the non-power conference teams.
Baylor, TCU, Colorado, Minnesota ....
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How many programs realistically could make the playoff in the next decade? I think it's quite a few, even excluding the non-power conference teams.
Baylor, TCU, Colorado, Minnesota ....
I'd put Utah above any of those.
This year, of course, we'll see Vanderbilt in the playoff. Golderned 'dores.
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I didn't mean to mention likely programs, just those with some shot, and there are many of them I think. Utah seems likely, I agree, USC is a maybe. Just in the SEC, I think there are ten of them, maybe more, with a pretty good shot. Kentucky? A small shot.
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Texas is going to violate Blue but not as bad as the NCAA will
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Xavier Worthy balled out in his NFL debut. you're welcome Texas!
https://twitter.com/MetaWootenPeace/status/1831895040538636326
He was a Horn what does UofM have to do with his development or 4:21 sec./40yd record at the combine :017:? Damn you need check out of the land of make believe
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Texas is going to violate Blue but not as bad as the NCAA will
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weak sauce. since Ohio State can’t take Michigan down their fans are hoping and wishing and praying someone else can instead of manning up and taking them down themselves.
Loser mentality. Comes from the top.
Explains a lot about that program and Mr “born on 3rd base lets pay $20 million to get free agent mercenaries”….sad how far the mighty have fallen.
Say what you will about Urbz but he pulled no kicks, put up with zero bullshit, and offered no excuses. Might’ve been a scumbag, but a real man and not a crying woman. Just a winner.
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He was a Horn what does UofM have to do with his development or 4:21 sec./40yd record at the combine :017: Damn you need check out of the land of make believe
ummm… he graduated high school early and signed with Michigan and the schools admissions wouldn’t admit him in early, which is the reason why he wound up at Texas.
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I'm going to guess Texas 27 Michigan 23.
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weak sauce. since Ohio State can’t take Michigan down their fans are hoping and wishing and praying someone else can instead of manning up and taking them down themselves.
We don't need to pray to roll you slappies.* cheating fuck ,your head so far up boogers ass you know what he had for lunch.Everyone asks for contractual protection even if prosecuted then bolts anyway.Because that just screems integrity and sportsmanshipSeriously start making a list
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Texas at Michigan. Who knew. We need a thread for that one.
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ummm… he graduated high school early and signed with Michigan and the schools admissions wouldn’t admit him in early, which is the reason why he wound up at Texas.
No he decommitted and went to Austin,Michigan had nothing to to with it,He was a lock to go to oregon before that
Two weeks before Worthy moved to Ann Arbor with the Wolverines’s freshman enrollees, including QB J.J. McCarthy and RB Donovan Edwards, an issue arose. Michigan wasn’t able to admit Worthy, and he was told that, based on his academic profile, it would be better for him to enroll in the school’s June summer bridge program. This, of course, came as a shock to his mother.
“For me, that didn’t fly. I turned in all of his academic paperwork and applications in September,” Jones explained to The Athletic. “As far as I had been told, up until two weeks before, he was on track to enroll early. There was nothing missing, nothing short; they’d waived the SATs. It didn’t make sense. Something wasn’t right. What’s the problem, and why am I finding out about this now?”
“Michigan messed that up. The trust wasn’t there,” Jones continued. “For us, trust is so big in everything. We just never felt like we were getting the truth about what happened. It was just a lot of, ‘We’re sorry.’”
Steve Sarkisian, who had recruited Worthy at Alabama before officially becoming Texas’ next head coach on Jan. 2, 2021, jumped at the opportunity to bring him to Austin. Three years later, the decision proved to be the correct one for both parties.
Save the academics horshit Rashan Gary/Mario Manningham/Uzi Smith already dispelled that illusion
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No he decommitted and went to Austin,Michigan had nothing to to with it,He was a lock to go to oregon before that
Two weeks before Worthy moved to Ann Arbor with the Wolverines’s freshman enrollees, including QB J.J. McCarthy and RB Donovan Edwards, an issue arose. Michigan wasn’t able to admit Worthy, and he was told that, based on his academic profile, it would be better for him to enroll in the school’s June summer bridge program. This, of course, came as a shock to his mother.
“For me, that didn’t fly. I turned in all of his academic paperwork and applications in September,” Jones explained to The Athletic. “As far as I had been told, up until two weeks before, he was on track to enroll early. There was nothing missing, nothing short; they’d waived the SATs. It didn’t make sense. Something wasn’t right. What’s the problem, and why am I finding out about this now?”
“Michigan messed that up. The trust wasn’t there,” Jones continued. “For us, trust is so big in everything. We just never felt like we were getting the truth about what happened. It was just a lot of, ‘We’re sorry.’”
Steve Sarkisian, who had recruited Worthy at Alabama before officially becoming Texas’ next head coach on Jan. 2, 2021, jumped at the opportunity to bring him to Austin. Three years later, the decision proved to be the correct one for both parties.
Save the academics horshit Rashan Gary/Mario Manningham/Uzi Smith already dispelled that illusion
yeah so you literally just described in detail what I said....
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We don't need to pray to roll you slappies.* cheating fuck ,your head so far up boogers ass you know what he had for lunch.Everyone asks for contractual protection even if prosecuted then bolts anyway.Because that just screems integrity and sportsmanshipSeriously start making a list
it gets better Nubbz! the FBI and CIA are investigating Michigan for hacking Ohio State. sweeping DOJ indictments coming down any second now and Jeem getting arrested under RICO statues for computer/racketeering crimes. didn't you hear? least that's what the totally sane and rational brohio like retards on the Ohio State message boards say at least. so you know it's gotta be true.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWFVEiRasAQipsE?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2d6T5G2rrY
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those all white Texas unis....gorgeous.
https://twitter.com/trevormccue/status/1832050517876355211
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yeah so you literally just described in detail what I said....
Yes Michigan effed up but it wasn't about academics - PUHLEEZE
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it gets better Nubbz! the FBI and CIA are investigating Michigan for hacking Ohio State. sweeping DOJ indictments coming down any second now and Jeem getting arrested under RICO statues for computer/racketeering crimes. didn't you hear? least that's what the totally sane and rational brohio like retards on the Ohio State message boards say at least. so you know it's gotta be true.
Raise your hand if your program cheated
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/607/563/12563607.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds)
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all blues vs all whites. both great looking uniforms.
https://twitter.com/uofmcoverage/status/1832090927776804905
https://twitter.com/bluebyninety/status/1832108598081810663
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Raise your hand if your program cheated
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/607/563/12563607.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds)
heckuva throw to Rod Moore by Kyle McCord on that one. high fives all-around.
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all blues vs all whites. both great looking uniforms.
https://twitter.com/uofmcoverage/status/1832090927776804905
https://twitter.com/bluebyninety/status/1832108598081810663
I actually don't like the all blues. I like the blue pants for the road, but I prefer the maize pants with the blue jersey.
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those all white Texas unis....gorgeous.
https://twitter.com/trevormccue/status/1832050517876355211
Looked really great in the Rose Bowl back in 05 as well. We call that uniform the "stormtroopers."
(https://i.imgur.com/hqpEPeB.png)
Of course that was with Michigan in the gold pants. Should be a lot of fun with all-blue vs. all-white.
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Now, that's the right look
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Worthy was starting on both of my fantasy rosters last night, so...
Thanks to any and all of you who were responsible for him. :72:
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Don't get into that fantasy crap - I'm in a survivor pool - just win,baby
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it gets better Nubbz! the FBI and CIA are investigating Michigan for hacking Ohio State. sweeping DOJ indictments coming down any second now and Jeem getting arrested under RICO statues for computer/racketeering crimes. didn't you hear? least that's what the totally sane and rational brohio like retards on the Ohio State message boards say at least. so you know it's gotta be true.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWFVEiRasAQipsE?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2d6T5G2rrY
As I learned from (checks notes) YOU, this isn't an actual "Ohio State Fan" but rather someone, most likely Connor Stallions in a mask. I didn't watch the Netflix thing but someone on here pointed out the obvious, why would Netflix have a disguised "Ohio State Fan" when there are literally millions of Ohio State fans that would have been happy to do it without a disguise.
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weak sauce. since Ohio State can’t take Michigan down their fans are hoping and wishing and praying someone else can instead of manning up and taking them down themselves.
Loser mentality. Comes from the top.
Explains a lot about that program and Mr “born on 3rd base lets pay $20 million to get free agent mercenaries”….sad how far the mighty have fallen.
Say what you will about Urbz but he pulled no kicks, put up with zero bullshit, and offered no excuses. Might’ve been a scumbag, but a real man and not a crying woman. Just a winner.
You act like three wins is an end-all-be-all. BS. Over 20 years your program went 2-17 plus one game your sleazy cheating coach bailed out of.
So then your loser program decided to flagrantly cheat and won three straight.
That is your "loser mentality" right there: "Can't beat them fair and square so we'll just cheat." Losers.
I'm not happy with the new mercenary nature of this sport but it isn't breaking the rules, those ARE the new rules.
Urbz did great against Michigan but lets be fair:
- 2012: Five point win over a M team that went 8-5 also losing to Bama (by 27), ND (by 7), UNL (by 14), and USCe (by 5).
- 2013: One point win over a M team that went 7-6 also losing to PSU (by 3), MSU (by 23), UNL (by 4), Iowa (by 3), and KSU (by 17).
- 2014: 14 point win over a M team that went 5-7 also losing to ND (by 31), Utah (by 16), MN (by 16), RU (by 2), MSU (by 24), and UMD (by 7).
- 2015: 29 point win over a M team that went 10-3 also losing to Utah (by 7), and MSU (by 4).
- 2016: Three point win over a M team that went 10-3 also losing to Iowa (by 1) and FSU (by 1)
- 2017: 11 point win over a M team that went 8-5 also losing to MSU (by 4), PSU (by 29), UW (by 14), and USCe (by 7).
- 2018: 23 point win over a M team that went 10-3 also losing to ND (by 7) and UF (by 26).
Obviously I loved the 7-0 but the problem with evaluating coaches based on how they do against a rival is that those rivals are not constants. The best Michigan team that Urban beat finished 10-3. In Day's first year he blew out a M team that finished 9-4. The worst M team that Day lost to finished 12-2.
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Horns on the way in the private plane:
(https://i.imgur.com/7SStKXR.png)
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Austin-40 Acre Airlines - nice
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https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1832098850225402181
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https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1832205565667504406
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MDOT I’ll type it for you. Coaching is terrible. Davis is a joke. Play calling is worse. Only putting Orji in to run up the middle is idiotic and why would anyone need to steal a sign for that when you’re telling them? Defensive formations were also idiotic.
Positive for Texas. Their coach isn’t an idiot. O-line is really good. Ewers is living up to the hype. Their lines crush soft people in the trenches.
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Blue and Golden
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Remember when Bobby Williams beat Florida without Saban, but with Sabans roster, which had been coached by Saban, and then got the job?
Even he hadnt deleted a bunch of texts before getting a job he didnt deserve
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Texas beat Michigan on the line of scrimmage, both sides of the ball. Michigan could not run the ball very well and Warren was scrambling too much. Michigan’s DL could not harass Ewers. Not one sack. Thought Texas would be playing for the national championship and saw nothing to change my mind.
Michigan has to get better on the OL more so than anywhere else and unfortunately that will take time. They’ll beat some people this year but games against teams with a good defense, like USC, are going to be a challenge.
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Interior of the Horns d-line looked better than I expected against the Michigan o-line, that was a difference-maker. And Ewers, the o-line, and the receivers were pretty well in sync for most of the game, aside from a couple WTF moments that could have been turnovers.
It definitely wasn't the close game I expected, Michigan has more work to do than I thought, but there's a lot of talent on that team. Replacing... well... almost everything, takes time to gel.
Best of luck the rest of the season.
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Remember when Bobby Williams beat Florida without Saban, but with Sabans roster, which had been coached by Saban, and then got the job?
Even he hadnt deleted a bunch of texts before getting a job he didnt deserve
I was at that game.
5'8" CB was 'covering' 6'6" Plaxico Burress. It went as expected.
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I read somewhere games are won and lost in the trenches.
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UM reminds me of pre-Tua Saban Bama teams, playing risk-adverse football.
But with less talent and (now) less experience.
McCarthy was efficient, but wasn't high-volume because there was no need. When you're giving up 10 points per game, don't risk what you don't have to.
But this year's UM team is probably going to allow 15-20 ppg (still good), but that will necessitate a more open, risky (turnovers, 3-and-outs) offense.
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I'm not going to skewer UM for this game.
Texas is really good. Maybe even great. Hard to see and obvious loss on this schedule. UGA plays in Austin.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z17saJW.png)
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Horns gonna lose in Nashville, Vandy is our kryptonite. 3-8-1 all time against them.
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I'd be more worried about Woffard.
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I'd be more worried about Woffard.
Thankfully the hated w-sip terriers are not on the schedule this year.
Seriously, OU is going to be a tough game, it always is. Georgia is #1. Road trips to longtime rivals Arkansas and A&M aren't gimmes. Lots of football to be played (thank Goodness!).
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Did anyone call for a wellness check on MDot?
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Might have fell off the wagon - or lost his smartphone
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I mean, he was the one calling for a fairly lopsided Texas victory. He shouldn't have been surprised by the outcome.
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He's doing a darkness retreat with Dudekd
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I'm not going to skewer UM for this game.
Texas is really good. Maybe even great. Hard to see and obvious loss on this schedule. UGA plays in Austin.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z17saJW.png)
I think UGa is a much better top to bottom team. And Austin isn't exactly known for being a tough place to play. Not by SEC standards. The Swamp? Yes. Death Valley? yes. Austin? - Sometimes.
Maybe the best part (or the worst part ) is that whoever wins the UGA Tex game isn't out of the CFP automatically.
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College Station??????
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I think UGa is a much better top to bottom team. And Austin isn't exactly known for being a tough place to play. Not by SEC standards. The Swamp? Yes. Death Valley? yes. Austin? - Sometimes.
Maybe the best part (or the worst part ) is that whoever wins the UGA Tex game isn't out of the CFP automatically.
Meh-- I'll take an actual player's opinion over that of a hated rival. :)
Alabama players said Austin was just as loud and intimidating as any SEC stadium they'd ever played in. We tend to bring it for big games. Quoting veteran Alabama LB Will Anderson after the game in Austin in 2022:
"To be honest, since I've been here these last three years, this is probably the loudest environment I've played in," Anderson said. "Probably the hardest game I've played in since I've been in college football. Their fans were super loud, they had a lot of energy. But the atmosphere was crazy."
https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/longhorns-alabama-crimson-tide-will-anderson-nick-saban-crowd-noise
And Georgia's certainly earned the right to be ranked ahead of Texas based on history. Not this season, though. This season they've done nothing, to prove anything. I don't see any reason to believe Clemson is any better than Michigan.
Anyway, Horns have to take care of business before that, no chance to look ahead.
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Apologies to the misses '94,talkin' smack to an aggie isn't looking past.It was a delightful weekend Gus and Joel weren't much help caterwauling UofM lost I dunno 13-14-15 guys to the League. Forgetting Sark replaced 11 of his own
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And Georgia's certainly earned the right to be ranked ahead of Texas based on history. Not this season, though.
now junior you jumped tOSU and you and the dawgs can have that onus
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Apologies to the misses '94,talkin' smack to an aggie isn't looking past.It was a delightful weekend Gus and Joel weren't much help caterwauling UofM lost I dunno 13-14-15 guys to the League. Forgetting Sark replaced 11 of his own
Oh Gigem and I go way back with talking smack. He knows it's all in good fun.
Honestly I'm as surprised as anyone that Austin can get loud for big games these days. It wasn't always that way. I considered that to be some high praise from that young man at Alabama.
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now junior you jumped tOSU and you and the dawgs can have that onus
Yeah it's not always the best thing. But I hope the Horns are ranked highly enough, often enough, to get accustomed to the pressure.
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One thing about stadium noise for opposing teams if they get used to it in the SEC. It's common, teams prepare for it, and know how. The freshmen come in and at least experience it on the sidelines, if they don't play much, and it really only impacts the offense. I wouldn't like having a freshman QB with his first meaningful game in Knoxville or BR, or Austin.
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Michigan's OL PFF grades were nothing short of amazing. RT Link, a redshirt freshman, graded out at 22.7. How does a red shirt freshman win a starting job at RT? Hard to believe the older tackles are that bad.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/9/8/24238917/michigan-football-pff-grades-snap-counts-texas-longhorns-2024-season (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/9/8/24238917/michigan-football-pff-grades-snap-counts-texas-longhorns-2024-season)
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Michigan's OL PFF grades were nothing short of amazing. RT Link, a redshirt freshman, graded out at 22.7. How does a red shirt freshman win a starting job at RT? Hard to believe the older tackles are that bad.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/9/8/24238917/michigan-football-pff-grades-snap-counts-texas-longhorns-2024-season (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/9/8/24238917/michigan-football-pff-grades-snap-counts-texas-longhorns-2024-season)
S Makari Paige - 61 / 56.2
I'm surprised the rating is this high. Makari was terrible. Consistently missed tackles, out of position and beat many plays. Was pretty surprising.
Maybe they should also rate the play calling. It was the worst part. The fact this game was an absolute blowout and Orji was still only on the field for three plays and late in the game they didn't at least give him some reps to throw the ball is all I needed to know about play calling and this "new" staff. There's a difference between sticking to a plan and incompetent stubbornness.
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As an aside, all of the Texas folks I know both in real life and on some UT-specific message boards I hang out on, who attended the game live in Ann Arbor, were highly complimentary of both the stadium and the fans at Michigan. Specifically they really loved the lack of advertising signage inside the stadium, and said it felt so much more like an old-school football atmosphere.
Thought y'all might like to hear that.
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that'll make MDot feel better
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that'll make MDot feel better
Ha! Pretty sure he would NOT want a friendly, welcoming environment for opposing fans. :)
I also heard that for some reason lots of the UM fans couldn't figure out how to do horns-down properly, so Longhorn fans were actually stopping to help teach them how do horns-down the right way.
Seems odd because sooner fans who basically invented it 6 decades ago, have never had any problem knowing its proper mechanics and usage.
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Maybe they should also rate the play calling. It was the worst part. The fact this game was an absolute blowout and Orji was still only on the field for three plays and late in the game they didn't at least give him some reps to throw the ball is all I needed to know about play calling and this "new" staff. There's a difference between sticking to a plan and incompetent stubbornness.
I agree with keeping Orji off the field if he can't consistently complete routine open passes. If he could, I'm sure he'd be starting due to his running ability. If Orji can't pass the ball after a couple years in the system, it ain't happening and they're best off going with Warren. Did you notice that Warren had the highest PFF grade for the team?
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Meh-- I'll take an actual player's opinion over that of a hated rival. :)
Alabama players said Austin was just as loud and intimidating as any SEC stadium they'd ever played in. We tend to bring it for big games. Quoting veteran Alabama LB Will Anderson after the game in Austin in 2022:
https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/longhorns-alabama-crimson-tide-will-anderson-nick-saban-crowd-noise
And Georgia's certainly earned the right to be ranked ahead of Texas based on history. Not this season, though. This season they've done nothing, to prove anything. I don't see any reason to believe Clemson is any better than Michigan.
Anyway, Horns have to take care of business before that, no chance to look ahead.
I won't deny I have never been to a game in Austin, and sadly anywhere else for that matter. So I'm only going by what I've heard through the years, so it may be baseless.
I think you may have a point about what each team has done so far this season, and it will be evenly matched. The reason why I put so much faith in Georgia is because they have been excellent in the SEC for several years, whereas Texas had a really good season last year and are off to a good start this year.
Usually, when two good teams face off that appear to be about equal, I look at the head coaches to see who has the better overall record, and without a doubt it's Smart.
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As an aside, all of the Texas folks I know both in real life and on some UT-specific message boards I hang out on, who attended the game live in Ann Arbor, were highly complimentary of both the stadium and the fans at Michigan. Specifically they really loved the lack of advertising signage inside the stadium, and said it felt so much more like an old-school football atmosphere.
Thought y'all might like to hear that.
Thanks. I'm an old fart that would hate such advertising. Probably almost as much as the loud obnoxious piped in music. Rather just have the band provide the tunes as in the olden days when the PA system was primarily used for relaying play results and scores elsewhere.
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Did anyone call for a wellness check on MDot?
I'm fine. Lol.
Game went about as how I predicted it would. I had it at 27-17, game was actually a little bit worse than I thought but in the ballpark.
Watching it in person, thoughts are:
Texas is REALLY good. Legit Natty contender. Texas has an ELITE OL (the kind Michigan used to have) and Quinn Ewers is very talented, was the #1 'croot in HS for a reason and a future NFL draft pick. That was the two biggest differences in the game. Texas has an NFL draft pick QB and an elite OL, Michigan has an OL in total rebuild mode trying to find their way forward and they literally do not have a QB.
Davis Warren is truly awful and was a walk-on for a reason. Michigan just flat out does not have a QB and in this day and age I don't see how that happens. How do you not recruit anyone in '22 or '23 class to replace JJ (who was '21 class) or get someone in the portal? It's clear that Orji is a wildcat RB and nothing more, coaches clearly don't trust him to throw the ball. If you won't actually let him play QB then move him to RB/TE or EDGE rusher. Do something with his athletic ability rather than waste it as a gimmick trick player.
I am out on Kirk Campbell and Wink Martindale. Need to fire them both and find real Co-Ordinators in the off-season. Kirk Campbell has never proven anything as a coach at any level, this is Michigan, go get a real OC with a proven track record. As far as Martindale goes, he is just too old and past his prime. It happens. OG of the defense stands for Old Grandpa. There is a reason he was run out of the NFL. Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter might've learned that system from him but they evolved with the game and adapted the system to the current trends. Wink still running the same defenses he did a decade ago. Newsflash: game changes and evolves drastically over a decade.
I have faith that Sherrone Moore will get that OL together by the end of the year, but it won't matter. Michigan is highly FUCKED at QB this year. No clue how you don't call your big donors and tell them to send a bag to Cam Ward or Dante Moore. Gonna be a long season.
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I agree with keeping Orji off the field if he can't consistently complete routine open passes. If he could, I'm sure he'd be starting due to his running ability. If Orji can't pass the ball after a couple years in the system, it ain't happening and they're best off going with Warren. Did you notice that Warren had the highest PFF grade for the team?
take PFF grades with a giant grain of salt. David Warren fucking sucked that game.
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I am out on Kirk Campbell and Wink Martindale. Need to fire them both and find real Co-Ordinators in the off-season. Kirk Campbell has never proven anything as a coach at any level, this is Michigan, go get a real OC with a proven track record. As far as Martindale goes, he is just too old and past his prime. It happens. OG of the defense stands for Old Grandpa. There is a reason he was run out of the NFL. Mike McDonald and Jesse Minter might've learned that system from him but they evolved with the game and adapted the system to the current trends. Wink still running the same defenses he did a decade ago. Newsflash: game changes and evolves drastically over a decade.
I have faith that Sherrone Moore will get that OL together by the end of the year, but it won't matter. Michigan is highly FUCKED at QB this year. No clue how you don't call your big donors and tell them to send a bag to Cam Ward or Dante Moore. Gonna be a long season.
I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit. Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter. Maybe Wink can turn it around but I have my doubts.
If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be good. Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game. USC in two weeks is now a make the playoff or break game.
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I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit. Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter.
If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be an good. Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game.
Yeah I think this was rough timing for Michigan. The team's going to be much better by the end of the year.
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I agree with the first paragraph. Michigan needs to find an OC/QB coach that has a national reputation and can recruit. Wink was likely the best available by the time Harbaugh got around to leaving for the NFL with Minter.
If Michigan can fix the OL they have chance to be an good. Warren is good enough if there's a serviceable running game.
no he isn't. he is truly awful, and seeing him in person just substantiated what I had believed about him after seeing him week 1 vs Fresno State.
Davis Warren missed wide open receivers that he never even looked at because he either refuses to or does not have the capability to go through his progressions. He locks onto his first read and throws it there regardless of situation or coverage. He'll force balls into double coverage- which is why he had 2 picks. And he under throws or overthrows or throws just a touch behind on nearly every throw. Davis Warren has god awful pocket presence and also doesn't have the ability to change arm angles and make throws in the face of pressure, he also cannot escape pressure and make a throw on the run or use his legs to pick up a first down.
JJ McCarthy was a VERY talented QB and lot better than people realized. Which is why he was a 5* recruit and just went top 10 in an NFL draft.
Davis Warren was a walk-on for a reason who will be selling insurance next year and never sniff the NFL.
This is Michigan for christ sake. You should be able to find a Cade McNamara level QB at worst every season. Warren isn't even that.
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Yeah I think this was rough timing for Michigan. The team's going to be much better by the end of the year.
What would you guess their record might be? If they ran to 11-1 or 10-2, it would do UT a lot of good, if they needed it.
We still don't really know all that much about these teams. Is Clemson a fairly good team? Maybe.
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USC in two weeks is now a make the playoff or break game.
make the playoff???
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make the playoff???
for real, idk what he is smoking but this is an 8-4 or 7-5 type team. they got zero shot at the playoff with the QB's they have.
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What would you guess their record might be? If they ran to 11-1 or 10-2, it would do UT a lot of good, if they needed it.
We still don't really know all that much about these teams. Is Clemson a fairly good team? Maybe.
I'd say Michigan is a 7-5 or 8-4 team. They literally don't have a QB.
Luckily for them they don't have very many teams left on the schedule with the OL/QB of Texas.
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I won't deny I have never been to a game in Austin, and sadly anywhere else for that matter. So I'm only going by what I've heard through the years, so it may be baseless.
I went to one Texas game. Loved it. They played a patsy but the stadium was nice, the people were friendly, and the scenery was terrific if you know what I mean.
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You have a QB coming.
Carter Smith 2025 Dual Threat Quarterback Michigan (rivals.com) (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/carter-smith-283571?view=pv)
Carter Smith, Bishop Verot , Quarterback (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/Player/carter-smith-46137774/)
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Ever notice how the term "literally" is literally misused frequently?
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What would you guess their record might be? If they ran to 11-1 or 10-2, it would do UT a lot of good, if they needed it.
We still don't really know all that much about these teams. Is Clemson a fairly good team? Maybe.
I don't believe they'll do quite that well. Currently their toughest games appear to be USC, Washington, Oregon, and Ohio State. I don't think they're going to lose all of them. If they split 2-2 then their final record would be 9-3. That's potentially a playoff team.
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You have a QB coming.
Carter Smith 2025 Dual Threat Quarterback Michigan (rivals.com) (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/carter-smith-283571?view=pv)
Carter Smith, Bishop Verot , Quarterback (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/Player/carter-smith-46137774/)
yeah but you don't want to be starting a true freshman QB. like ever. the one time Michigan started a true freshman QB that was actually any good was Chad Henne but he was also handing the ball off to Mike Hart (schools all-time leading rusher) and also had Jake Long (#1 overall pick) protecting him and was throwing to 3 NFL draft pick WR's in Braylon Edwards, Steve Breaston, and Jason Avant.
so even if Smith is legit, you ideally don't want him to play until '26. I like the '26 kid from Florida they have committed better and the '24 kid they got Jadyn Davis. The good news is they just need one of them to hit. My question is how do you not have QB prospects like that in your '22 or '23 classes or get a dude in the portal this off-season? how does that happen? god awful planning/execution by the coaches.
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You have a QB coming.
Carter Smith 2025 Dual Threat Quarterback Michigan (rivals.com) (https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/carter-smith-283571?view=pv)
Carter Smith, Bishop Verot , Quarterback (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/Player/carter-smith-46137774/)
The knock on the Michigan commit was that he hadn’t yet put together a solid performance against a strong statewide power during his prep career, but he changed that perception Friday night against a team ranked second statewide in the On3 Massey Ratings, only behind IMG Academy.
Smith completed 17-of-35 passes for 195 yards and two touchdowns, adding 151 rushing yards and three touchdowns on the ground. Five of his incompletions were on target, but his receivers were unable to come away with receptions.
“He’s the best player I’ve ever coached,” Rode said. “He’s a leader. He played his guts out. I’m glad he’s ours. I’m glad he’s on our side. I’m glad I don’t have to defend against him. We do enough of that in practice and he makes it difficult on the defense. He’s fun to watch.
You get into these games and you’re so locked in. Every so often I try and take a step back and just watch him play. Guys like him and quarterbacks like him don’t come around very often. He’s going to Michigan for a reason. It’s why he has the Lee County touchdown record that may never be broken.
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17-of-35 passes for 195 yards???
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hey no question the QB recruiting has gotten a lot better. 2024, 2025, and 2026 all landed top 100 players overall in the nation at QB. And you just need one of them to hit and you're set. Which is why you should be landing top flight QB's EVERY class. Like...Texas or Alabama or Ohio State does. Just get a 5* or top 100 overall kid every single class and eventually one of them will hit.
But that doesn't help THIS SEASON. How did they not land anyone in 2022 or 2023 or hit the portal in the off-season to bring in a Cam Ward is beyond me. Bad decision/planning/roster management by the coaches.
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I agree with keeping Orji off the field if he can't consistently complete routine open passes. If he could, I'm sure he'd be starting due to his running ability. If Orji can't pass the ball after a couple years in the system, it ain't happening and they're best off going with Warren. Did you notice that Warren had the highest PFF grade for the team?
Best off with a guy that already has 3 picks and doesn't look the part? Again, How can they not at least give Orji some PT later in the Texas game to at least see what he looks like in a game circumstance rather than a practice situation.
And if he truly can't pass the ball and they're still throwing him out there for multiple plays a game knowing he can only run, then they're dumber than I thought because you're just giving the defense your play.
Warren's PFF grade means nothing to me. Most of his stats are from points in the game where it wasn't relevant. First half - 8/11 for 49 yards and an INT in the first half. Can't read a defense.. Stares down 1 receiver the entire time. If he's the option, get ready for 4-5 losses
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I did not miss the rushing but, thought you were looking for an NFL talent QB
so 5 drops, let's say 4 are caught....... 21 of 35 is a bit better than 50%
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I did not miss the rushing but, thought you were looking for an NFL talent QB
so 5 drops, let's say 4 are caught....... 21 of 35 is a bit better than 50%
Venice is one of the best teams in Florida. Would be the best team in any other state not named Texas.
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Best off with a guy that already has 3 picks and doesn't look the part? Again, How can they not at least give Orji some PT later in the Texas game to at least see what he looks like in a game circumstance rather than a practice situation.
And if he truly can't pass the ball and they're still throwing him out there for multiple plays a game knowing he can only run, then they're dumber than I thought because you're just giving the defense your play.
Warren's PFF grade means nothing to me. Most of his stats are from points in the game where it wasn't relevant. First half - 8/11 for 49 yards and an INT in the first half. Can't read a defense.. Stares down 1 receiver the entire time. If he's the option, get ready for 4-5 losses
agree 100%.
And I'll add a situation with Orji infuriated me early on the game when Michigan was establishing some success driving and potentially could've taken some momentum back and tied the game 7-7, believe it was a 3rd and 2 in the red zone and Orji ran out and Sark called a time out because it caught him off guard. Moore sends Orji right back out in the SAME EXACT formation to run the SAME EXACT play that Sark called a t.o. to get ready for and it gets stuffed and goes nowhere and they have to kick a FG. Little things like that- really chap my ass. That is just fucking dumb coaching by Moore. Moore and staff got out-coached and out-classed by Sark and staff.
If you aren't going to give Orji entire series and large chunks of playing time and actually let him throw then what is the point? Just trotting him out there for 1 play here or 1 play there to run the football is going to get stuffed more than it's not because the defense is just going to know what's coming every single time you run that gimmick bullshit.
Oh and Davis Warren sucks.
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hey no question the QB recruiting has gotten a lot better. 2024, 2025, and 2026 all landed top 100 players overall in the nation at QB. And you just need one of them to hit and you're set. Which is why you should be landing top flight QB's EVERY class. Like...Texas or Alabama or Ohio State does. Just get a 5* or top 100 overall kid every single class and eventually one of them will hit.
But that doesn't help THIS SEASON. How did they not land anyone in 2022 or 2023 or hit the portal in the off-season to bring in a Cam Ward is beyond me. Bad decision/planning/roster management by the coaches.
That is criminal.
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just rewatched every Davis Warren throw on YouTube. It's even worse than I remember. His very first throw he has a clean pocket and could've stepped up into his throw and hit Colston Loveland for a 1st down on 3rd and 7. Instead? He throws off his back foot for zero reason- no pressure no one in his face- had a clean pocket to climb up in and step into his throw- doesn't- throws it off the back foot and overthrows and sails a football 10 yards over an open Colston Loveland's head.
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Obviously, loading up on 5 star QBs results in some of them portaling out, which can be OK. A freshman will sit, usually, but then he wants to start or leave. I'm a bit surprised the UGA QB2 and QB3 have stuck as long as they have, though one did finally leave for Kentucky (and may be regretting the choice).
You might snag two elite QBs in a year and really only have one, or even none.
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If he threw it 10 yards over a receiver's head, he at least has a strong arm ... and literally is their QB.
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Obviously, loading up on 5 star QBs results in some of them portaling out, which can be OK. A freshman will sit, usually, but then he wants to start or leave. I'm a bit surprised the UGA QB2 and QB3 have stuck as long as they have, though one did finally leave for Kentucky (and may be regretting the choice).
You might snag two elite QBs in a year and really only have one, or even none.
Kinda surprised Manning hasn't left Texas for Ole Miss yet.
I guess I could be the guy in Austin next season?
What say you, @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) and @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) ?
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Kinda surprised Manning hasn't left Texas for Ole Miss yet.
I guess I could be the guy in Austin next season?
What say you, @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) and @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) ?
Arch Manning has a very smart, savvy, professional team of handlers- his extended family and their agents. They know the business of QBing better than any other group on the planet.
They absolutely did NOT want him to skip a redshirt year, and they're fine with him sitting this year as well. They specifically chose Sarkisian due to his history of developing QBs, plus the QB-friendly offense that he runs. Unless there's some other top-notch QB whisperer coach out there that's better, the Mannings don't have any interest in changing schools.
Ewers will go in the draft this year and Arch will take over next year. What's more, the Mannings have a floor number of college starts they want Arch to have before entering the NFL, based on their history and expertise in this area. That number is 25, so not only will Arch be the starter at Texas in 2025, he'll also be the starter at Texas in 2026.
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After the game was over and the stadium was cleared, the Michigan marching band honored their guests by forming a Longhorn logo on the field. It's close, anyway. They forgot poor Bevo's ears.
(https://i.imgur.com/wcF0gYT.png)
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take PFF grades with a giant grain of salt.
But you attach them to your arguments all the time
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After the game was over and the stadium was cleared, the Michigan marching band honored their guests by forming a Longhorn logo on the field. It's close, anyway. They forgot poor Bevo's ears.
You steal kidneys they steal ears and signs ;D
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mostly signs
makes ya wonder if it might have helped Saturday
makes ya wonder if Jeem bolted to the NFL because he saw this coming - no QB, fresh O-line
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mostly signs
makes ya wonder if it might have helped Saturday
makes ya wonder if Jeem bolted to the NFL because he saw this coming - no QB, fresh O-line
Lmao you people are ridiculous.
the game is won in the trenches. Texas dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides. Especially with their ELITE OL. And they have a LEGIT QB that will be drafted and play in the NFL. Michigan’s QB will be selling insurance this time next year. that’s the difference.
Jeem was ALWAYS going to leave. He’s an NFL coach. He’s proven he can do it. Most college coaches can’t. His dream is to win a Super Bowl, not a Natty. And he’s been open about that since oh idk forever.
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just some ridiculous pot stirring there ;)
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After the game was over and the stadium was cleared, the Michigan marching band honored their guests by forming a Longhorn logo on the field. It's close, anyway. They forgot poor Bevo's ears.
(https://i.imgur.com/wcF0gYT.png)
Oddly enough, they were the first to do script Ohio
(https://library.osu.edu/site/archives/files/2011/10/1932_michigan_script_ohio1.jpg)
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Kinda surprised Manning hasn't left Texas for Ole Miss yet.
I guess I could be the guy in Austin next season?
What say you, @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) and @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) ?
He's half a millionaire as a backup. Easiest gig you can get as a 19 year old, no?
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Oddly enough, they were the first to do script Ohio
[img width=274.381 height=378]https://library.osu.edu/site/archives/files/2011/10/1932_michigan_script_ohio1.jpg[/img]
Someone had to teach them how to spell it
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Is that why the fans keep spelling it the whole time?
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Lmao you people are ridiculous.
He's not wrong
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Someone had to teach them how to spell it
Yup just like Ohio State wore the winged helmet 1st,good to see they took to wearing them
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Heh, another view shows it wasn't just an earless Bevo head, but also a Whataburger logo. Now that's funny.
(https://i.imgur.com/mOPI8Uj.jpeg)
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so just to reiterate, Davis Warren is a walk-on who hadn't actually played in a real football game since his junior year in high school. He was a class of 2021 NR (ZeRo STaRz!) recruit walk-on who started 1 game in his college career- the week prior vs Fresno State where he looked like total ass.
Quinn Ewers was not only a 5* 'croot- he was the #1 recruit overall in the 2021 class (even after reclassifying- which is nuts) and had started 23 games in his college career prior to this game and oh yeah he was pretty good last year and QB'd his team to the playoff last season.
And people actually thought Michigan stood a chance? Lol.
this is an NFL QB. Probably 1st round if he keeps this level of play up and doesn't get injured. Dare I say Matt Stafford-esque?
https://twitter.com/LateralsIG/status/1833284551952453806
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True but for the past 3 seasons everyone's been telling me that Quinn Ewers sucks and is unworthy of his lofty recruiting rankings.
On this very message board many of us have expressed the opinion that so far he's been okay, or even good, but has not shown greatness.
I don't think it's fair or appropriate to turn around now, and say, well of course he's excellent, he was a big-time recruit. When in this very thread, 15 or so pages ago, both you and I are discussing how he has yet to prove himself as being a star.
Is he NOW showing out? Maybe? He certainly had a very good game but even so, he made some really boneheaded mistakes and threw into obvious coverages twice where he was nearly picked off.
I'm obviously hopeful he continues this "Good Quinn Ewers" trend. He needs to show it against Oklahoma and Georgia in about a month.
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True but for the past 3 seasons everyone's been telling me that Quinn Ewers sucks and is unworthy of his lofty recruiting rankings.
On this very message board we've all expressed the opinion that so far he's been okay, or even good, but has not shown greatness.
I don't think it's fair or appropriate to turn around now, and say, well of course he's excellent, he was a big-time recruit. When in this very thread, 15 or so pages ago, both you and I are discussing how he has yet to prove himself as being a star.
Is he NOW showing out? Maybe? He certainly had a very good game but even so, he made some really boneheaded mistakes and threw into obvious coverages twice where he was nearly picked off.
I'm hopeful he continues this trend. He needs to show it against Oklahoma and Georgia in about a month.
he's always shown flashes of his talent, especially in the biggest games. he was cooking Bama that first half and Texas probably wins that game in '22 if he doesn't go down hurt. he balled out vs Bama on the road last year, in the playoff vs Washington, on the road vs Michigan this year.
he's always been a really good college QB with flashes of greatness. he's had issues with consistency. playing up or down to the competition. if he plays a consistent game this year and continues to improve in '24 over '23 like he did in '23 over '22- he's gonna be a 1st round pick cause the arm talent has always been there.
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I think Texas is a very experienced team with a lot of talent and a veteran coaching staff. They also have a lot of upperclassmen that have been in the program for several years.
I think Michigan is not quite so seasoned. They lost their HC. They lost several of their upper classmen.
Texas QB is much better than the Michigan QB.
I think Texas wins 35-17.
Dang. @Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706) 's prediction from page 1.
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True but for the past 3 seasons everyone's been telling me that Quinn Ewers sucks and is unworthy of his lofty recruiting rankings.
I always stated he was outstanding, one of the top QBs in CFB today, but that clearly they should start Manning.
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I always stated he was outstanding, one of the top QBs in CFB today, but that clearly they should start Manning.
Yeah everyone has said put Manning in, because Quinn wasn't getting it done. Even some of our own idiotic fans.
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You have idiotic fans also?
Huh.
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Yeah everyone has said put Manning in, because Quinn wasn't getting it done. Even some of our own idiotic fans.
Arch was also the #1 overall ‘croot in his class. Pretty crazy Texas has two of those guys playing QB.
But let’s be real, it’s not even that he was the #1 overall croot. It’s that last name. Both a blessing and curse for Arch. Kid is going to always be unfairly compared to his uncles and grandpa. Archie was a #2 overall NFL draft pick and Peyton & Eli were both #1 overall NFL draft picks. That’s a lot to live up to for any kid.
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Dang. @Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706) 's prediction from page 1.
LOL. Blind hog....acorn...you know the drill. Just the way I see it.
Unfortunately when it comes to my own team I'm totally blind.
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LOL. Blind hog....acorn...you know the drill. Just the way I see it.
Unfortunately when it comes to my own team I'm totally blind.
Back when I was both blogging and paying VERY close attention to college football, I tracked my own results against the spread for a season.
I would pick mostly Big Ten games and then a couple OOC that I thought were interesting. Largely I was looking for games where I thought for whatever reason the spread was wrong.
However I had two rules. First is although I was picking, I didn't count any results for the first two weeks of the season (and had I been betting, I wouldn't have wagered). That's because of the turnover in CFB you need to wait until you know what you've got. The second was that I wouldn't count any results for a game Purdue or Notre Dame played in, because I didn't believe I could make objective picks because of my fandom and hatred, respectively.
So yeah, I get the blindness aspect when analyzing your own team. It's like proofreading your own writing; you just get blind to the errors.
Excluding weeks 1-2, and not counting Purdue/ND picks, I picked 62.5% ATS that season. Had I been laying down $100 wagers per game, I would have walked away up $1200 at the end of the regular season IIRC.
It was a fun exercise, but I realized that for the amount of time and analysis I had to put in, I would have to be wagering a much more uncomfortable amount of money to get enough of a return to make it worth it.
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I used to do a NFL pickem with coworkers. Every week, just the winners. I won, out of a group of 10-20 people like 3-4 times in a 5-6 year period. And when I didn’t win, I was in the top 2-3. I don’t even watch NFL. My strategy was simple. Go with the spread 80-90% of the time. Pick 2-3 games that seemed mismatched, and pick the other team. And sometimes just make random picks.
I can’t even come close to picking college teams as good as I could nfl. For one, the top 25 are always changing. In nfl, yoy usually only have 16 games max with 32 teams. Two teams will usually have an open week, so 15 games per week.
College, only about half the top 25 play any given Saturday. So you may have 20-30 games to pick. And college teams are way more unpredictable.
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I can’t even come close to picking college teams as good as I could nfl. For one, the top 25 are always changing. In nfl, yoy usually only have 16 games max with 32 teams. Two teams will usually have an open week, so 15 games per week.
College, only about half the top 25 play any given Saturday. So you may have 20-30 games to pick. And college teams are way more unpredictable.
The difference is that with so many more teams, so many more games, and less betting action (compared to the NFL), there's a lot more opportunity to find an edge. It's not nearly as heavily analyzed or bet as the NFL, so there's opportunity.
IMHO it's like the difference between sitting down at a $2/4 Texas Hold'em table versus sitting down at a $100/200 Texas Hold'em table. You assume the level of play is higher at the latter, and thus you have to expect that you need a bigger edge to end up winning.
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Horns-Wolverines was the top TV draw of the weekend, and also the top TV draw of the season so far (USC-LSU drew 8.62M in primetime as the sole game on television, on Sunday 9/1).
It also appears the Neon Deion Effect is starting to wear off, CU-NU drew over 8M viewers last year.
Texas-Michigan (FOX): 9.160M
Colorado-Nebraska (NBC): 5.673M
Northern Illinois-Notre Dame (NBC): 3.926M
Tennessee-NC State (ABC): 2.958M
Arkansas-Oklahoma State (ABC): 2.796M
South Carolina-Kentucky (ABC): 2.729M
USF-Alabama (ESPN): 2.582M
Iowa State-Iowa (CBS): 2.282M
Baylor-Utah (FOX): 2.079M
Western Michigan-Ohio State (BTN): 1.722M
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well, when it's 28-0 at the half, some folks flip to a different game
and #2 at 5.6 ain't shabby
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well, when it's 28-0 at the half, some folks flip to a different game
and #2 at 5.6 ain't shabby
True. Pretty sure Texas-Michigan would have topped 10M if it hadn't already been effectively over at the half.
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MU/UT (2) top 10 teams
NU/CU unranked
This from SI...................
NBC Sports released data Monday from the network's Week Two broadcast of the Saturday night game between Nebraska and the Colorado Buffaloes. Per NBC, an average of 6.3 millions viewers were recorded during the Huskers' 28-10 victory over CU.
The Nebraska-Colorado contest is the most-watched broadcast to date for the network's
Big Ten Saturday Night series, which made its debut last season. It beat out the October 2023 contest between Ohio State and Wisconsin, which garnered 4.87 million viewers.
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MU/UT (2) top 10 teams
NU/CU unranked
Sure, hence the nearly double viewership.
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If anyone here bets, take Kentucky and the points in what likely will be a rainy slugfest where UGA (hopefully) gets a lead of say 17-3 and sits on it, and the final ends up 23-10.
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Sauce Gardner who is from Detroit, grew up dreaming of playing at Michigan- and is maybe the best CB in the entire NFL still hates Michigan because of Don Brown. Thanks Don.
https://twitter.com/iamSauceGardner/status/1832483580582429141
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gee almost like it was a terrible idea not to put the full court recruiting press on Nick Marshall from your backyard Jeem....
https://twitter.com/B1Gfootball/status/1833587920642486407
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Sauce Gardner who is from Detroit, grew up dreaming of playing at Michigan- and is maybe the best CB in the entire NFL still hates Michigan because of Don Brown. Thanks Don.
He didn't have many offers, but he is the reason why DB recruiting has really improved in Madison under Fickell.
Ahmad Gardner Recruit Interests (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/recruitment/ahmad-gardner-104943/recruitinterests/)