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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2024, 05:51:35 PM
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Jayden Daniels
Pass: 236-327 (72.2%) 3,812 yds, 40 TD / 4 INT - 208.0 rating
Rush: 135 car, 1,134 yds, 10 TD
Total: 4,946 yds and 50 TD
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Kyler Murray
Pass: 260-377 (69.0%) 4,361 yds, 42 TD / 7 INT - 199.2 rating
Rush: 140 car, 1,001 yds, 12 TD
Total: 5,362 yds and 54 TD
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Lamar Jackson
Pass: 230-409 (56.2%) 3,543 yds, 30 TD / 9 INT - 148.8 rating
Rush: 260 car, 1,571 yds, 21 TD
Total: 5,114 yds and 51 TD
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Marcus Mariota
Pass: 304-445 (68.3%) 4,454 yds, 42 TD / 4 INT - 181.7 rating
Rush: 135 car, 770 yds, 15 TD
Total: 5,224 yds and 57 TD
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Johnny Manziel
Pass: 295-434 (68.0%) 3,706 yds, 26 TD / 9 INT - 155.3 rating
Rush: 201 car, 1,410 yds, 21 TD
Total: 5,116 yds and 47 TD
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Cam Newton
Pass: 185-280 (66.1%) 2,854 yds, 30 TD / 7 INT - 182.0 rating
Rush: 264 car, 1,473 yds, 20 TD
Total: 4,327 yds and 50 TD
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Tim Tebow
Pass: 234-350 (66.9%) 3,286 yds, 32 TD / 6 INT - 172.5 rating
Rush: 210 car, 895 yds, 23 TD
Total: 4,181 yds and 55 TD
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Robert Griffin III
Pass: 291-402 (72.4%) 4,293 yds, 37 TD / 6 INT - 189.5 rating
Rush: 179 car, 699 yds, 10 TD
Total: 4,992 yds and 47 TD
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Who had the best season, by however you want to value it?
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No, you cannot write in Dan Lafever, Jordan Lynch, or Steve McNair. No HS defenses allowed.
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easily Cam Newton imo, he won the MNC at Auburn without much of anything around him playing an SEC schedule. size of a DE at 6'5, 250 had a rocket arm and 4.5ish speed.
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Craig Krenzel
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no Tommie Frazier?
Cam Newton was a cheater
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no Tommie Frazier?
Cam Newton was a cheater
Frazier didn't have a season anything like these guys.
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No, you cannot write in Dan Lafever, Jordan Lynch, or Steve McNair. No HS defenses allowed.
You'd think a man who (I think?) works in a HS would know what a HS defense looks like, but he never does. (FWIW, seems fine to not count non-P5 numbers. They certainly are a different thing)
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Daniels.
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consensus
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You'd think a man who (I think?) works in a HS would know what a HS defense looks like, but he never does. (FWIW, seems fine to not count non-P5 numbers. They certainly are a different thing)
What?!?
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What?!?
The high school defenses comment.
in terms of actual pick, I went with Manziel. These was a factor there I can’t totally put my finger on, but one that felt like almost everything they did was on him and Evans. For some reason, others felt either less resonant or more supported. But just isolating run pass, that felt like the pick to me. (With others being greater in other ways)
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Some amazing stats above. Surprised Vince Young didn't make the list.
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stats
gotta be in a big passing offense to make the list
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My eyeballs say Cam Newton. A one man wrecking crew.
And as MDOT said above --- who else was on that team?
Maybe Michael Dyer as RB?
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My eyeballs say Cam Newton. A one man wrecking crew.
And as MDOT said above --- who else was on that team?
Maybe Michael Dyer as RB?
I mean, Dyer was a 5-star top-15 recruit who ran for 1,000 yards as a true freshman in the SEC and then was first-team All-SEC the next year. The other RB was a 4.34 40 guy who ran for 800 yards as part of that killer scheme. Couple of nice linemen. But year, it was all him.
I think what's interesting with the group above is almost every one had a season that is superlative in a certain way. So it leaves it up to the picker to decide what a run/pass QB season means. Cam had the best/most impactful season for a modern guy who ran the hell out of the ball. Among this set, I think he almost assuredly had the best rushing season. But I think his passing season was a few steps below great. Just because of offensive construction/general volume/etc., I think his passing season was in the lower echelon of the group and I dinged him accordingly.
But yeah, if we're talking best/most impactful season, yeah, Cam for sure.
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I'm shocked Ray Goff is not on this list.
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I'm shocked Ray Goff is not on this list.
I was shocked to learn he was an awesome option QB.
But he's not on here because his ass only had 29 pass attempts for the season
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I dimly recall they had a decent backup passing QB that year, but I'm surprised he only managed 29 forward passes (he had 32 as a junior). Wow, he was 7th in Heisman voting, I didn't know that.
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Wow, he was 7th in Heisman voting, I didn't know that.
That's what I'm saying!
Before creating those UGA teams for my game, all I knew of him was as the clown HC in the 90s.
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His head coaching tenure was, um, less than spectacular. Then Donnan was mediocre and lost to rivals. And then Richt who had some very good years. Maybe we should fire Smart as the trend seems to be upwards.
Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread. Cam Newton was pretty good.
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Here's how putrid passing was in the 70s:
UGA's "good passing QB" Matt Robinson's line: 44% comp, 7 TD, 6 INT, 121 rating
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And ironically the SEC record for career passing yards is held by a Dawg, last I checked, maybe someone passed him. When you get known as a run oriented offense, folks think you are that way forever.
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The whole conference was run-first, run-next into the 90s. UGA never passed much until Zeier.
Spurrier dragged the conference kicking and screaming into the modern age.
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Bratkowski came to national prominence in his sophomore season at the University of Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia) in Athens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Georgia) in 1951 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Georgia_Bulldogs_football_team),[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeke_Bratkowski#cite_note-brthretn-4) and was twice the SEC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference) passing leader under head coach Wally Butts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Butts). During his three-year career with the Bulldogs, he completed 360 passes for 4,863 yards.
Bratkowski was considered one of college football's greatest quarterbacks of his day and was the NCAA's all-time leading passer until 1961. Today, he still ranks eighth on Georgia's list of career passing leaders. Bratkowski also led the NCAA in punting his senior year in 1953 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_college_football_season) with a 42.6 yard average.
The Dawgs were a passing team long ago. They had a fellow named Tarkenton also. Speaking of way back, this fellow was a pretty good dual purpose kind of player too:
Charley Trippi College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/charley-trippi-2.html)
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Yes, every school had their talented arm that got more attempts. They all pretty much stunk.
Florida had John Reaves, who famously threw 9 INTs in a game. He was the nation's all-time leading passer, thanks to the Gator Flop. But he had more INTs than TDs and a 53.5% comp. 115 rating. Okay for back then, but not good in a vacuum.
Hell, Pat Sullivan won a Heisman at Auburn, but only had a 55% comp and 135 career rating. Again, I'm fully aware that it was a different era and context, but these coaches rewarding arm talent back in the day hampered their teams with pretty bad results.
Archie Manning had more INTs than TDs and simply was not a good passer. But boy, could he scramble!
For the B1G, there's even less high-volume passers going back in time. Purdue's Mike Phipps was the career leader in attempts for around a decade, and basically had a 1:1 TD:INT ratio and 120 pass rating.