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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2024, 07:12:00 PM
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News going crazy.
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Nice to hear that shooter is down.
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Absolute nightmare.
SS has to be concerned about copy-cat attacks on Trump AND retaliatory attacks on Biden/Harris.
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I like my candidates who don't get shot at
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News going crazy.
if you watch the video with audio you can hear the shots being fired off. looks like the bullet grazed his ear, likely a small caliber, maybe .22.
one audience member was killed, the shooter was killed, and another audience member is in critical condition.
absolutely insane this happened, and trump's popularity is just going to soar because of it imo.
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Nice to hear that shooter is down.
not really. would've much rather they taken the piece of shit alive and interrogated the ever loving f*ck out of him.
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I like my candidates who don't get shot at
don't be that guy...
Oh and not only did John McCain suck aids cock as a presidential candidate- he also just happened to be a vile evil repugnant piece of human sh*t- and if there is a god John McCain is burning in hell for all of eternity right now.
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I like my candidates who don't get shot at
What a dick.
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What a dick.
Sorry just trying to be presidential
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don't be that guy...
Oh and not only did John McCain suck aids cock as a presidential candidate- he also just happened to be a vile evil repugnant piece of human sh*t- and if there is a god John McCain is burning in hell for all of eternity right now.
It's almost like McCain tried to end democracy in America. But it was someone else.
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absolutely insane this happened, and trump's popularity is just going to soar because of it imo.
well, yeah.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZ1OCeXIAAtobS?format=jpg&name=small)
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Biden did an excellent job with his statement. My compliments.
This is unacceptable.
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Guys, I figured out who did it.
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Could well be .223. 5.56 mm. Not a .22.
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Senselessness.
Glad he’s going to be okay.
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Senselessness.
Glad he’s going to be okay.
Well said Fro. Political differences are not important versus life.
I hate this shit.
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I like my candidates who don't get shot at
Ok then. Nominated for most classless comment of the year.
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Not sure how anyone is armchair quarterbacking the ammunition used... :smiley_confused1:
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Not sure how anyone is armchair quarterbacking the ammunition used... :smiley_confused1:
I haven’t seen that. What are you seeing?
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I speculated as to the sounds.
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I haven’t seen that. What are you seeing?
I speculated as to the sounds.
Yep, also Mdot with speculation that it was a .22.
Especially as more comes out about this being outside the rally peripheral which would not only suggest sounds being less determinative, and the likelihood that the shooter was using a longer range weapon.
Just seems like a bunch of people speculating w/o enough evidence to warrant speculation.
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It was not a .22. Could be .223.
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It was not a .22. Could be .223.
Could be any caliber. You think you know what the shooter used from Atlanta?
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Could be any caliber. You think you know what the shooter used from Atlanta?
It’s clearly speculation. I know the sound. It was not a .22.
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This is not who we are and not who we should be.
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It’s clearly speculation. I know the sound. It was not a .22.
How many yards away was the shooter? How does this affect the sound from a mic that was likely directional towards Trump? What's the quality of the audio feed as delivered to your TV?
CD, you almost as a rule refrain from idle speculation without hard detail. You *really* feel comfortable about this one?
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Ok then. Nominated for most classless comment of the year.
I think ammo type is more your lane
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I haven't seen or heard the video, but a rimfire .22 lr makes a snap, not even much of a pop.
and the velocity isn't enough to make much of a noise as the bullet travels through the air
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The most likely calibers are 5.56 mm or 7,62 mm.
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Sorry just trying to be presidential
No your being a no class jerk, to be blunt about it
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How many yards away was the shooter? How does this affect the sound from a mic that was likely directional towards Trump? What's the quality of the audio feed as delivered to your TV?
CD, you almost as a rule refrain from idle speculation without hard detail. You *really* feel comfortable about this one?
You rang?
That isn't the report being heard... that is the ballistic crack made as a projectile passes a stationary object at supersonic speed.
The caliber was less than a 30cal (7.72, 270, 7mm, ect) else the area of high pressure in front instantly/violently being replaced by an area of low pressure, aka percussion aka concussion in this regard would have blown out his eardrum and a sliced lobe would have been the least of his concerns- he swatted at his ear, if larger caliber he would have cupped his ear of not lost balance and fell as his drum ruptured.
The flags to the left of stage were less than 30 degrees angle and gusting to that from nothing, and towards 1 o'clock from trumps position. That indicates wind speed at the target (or close enough to adjust for). It would also have been a quarter value wind from the shooters position. Full value (left to right or right to left) and zero value (into or with the wind) are easier to factor than quarter values which are tricky even for seasoned shooters.
Why is any of this important? .... glad you asked... it isn't now, as that shooter lost his head to a meat mist, but up until that happened that held extreme value for the defenders aka security detail... they'd know the shooters capabilities in terms of reach... they'd know who was better suited to engage from the open in terms of armor so they could "run the rabbit" which is to send someone in harms way to draw fire. They'd know the skillset of their opponent(s).. they'd know their general distance and direction.
They'd still be looking for a trained sniper if that was the case, which fortunately it wasn't. As it turns out they're reporting on sky it was an antifa clown- you know, one of those harmless types without reap organization.
Trump was animated, and that helped him tremendously... and that was a cold bore shot and I bet something the shooter knows nothing about else this convo would be much darker.
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One report said AR15, which is obviously tentative.
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How could a shooter get a long rifle so close?
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How could a shooter get a long rifle so close?
There is a video with the ss watching the shooter but not engaging until they fired. ... from several angles... that is a really bad look for them.
The homework wasn't done- the pre-op it's called. Where was air coverage easily done via drone, now?
I hope it just incompetence. I really do.
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One report said AR15, which is obviously tentative.
I've seen ar platform... that could cover anything from a bb gun to a 50 cal.
The ballistic crack gave it away.. I'd put money on a 5.56 aka 223 and the most popular 22cal other than a 22lr rim fire.
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How could a shooter get a long rifle so close?
Google maps demonstrate 143.5 yards. There is a monumental investigation inbound...
In regards to the SS shooter waiting.... thats a bad place to be in... reality calls and the toughest or most prepared sometimes don't answer or answer on time... its hard to fault him.
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It was a mostly peaceful assassination attempt, at least.
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did the 20 year old act alone?
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From the NYT:
Officials also said that they had recovered an AR-15-type rifle near his body. Videos posted to social media and verified by The Times showed the suspected gunman lying motionless on the roof of a building around 400 feet north of the stage. In an interview with the BBC (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/KOYLdwSPR9-LJdqTRu3qoQ~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRodj9bP0TDaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmJjLmNvbS9uZXdzL3ZpZGVvcy9jNTF5bHk0MDg1bG8_Y2FtcGFpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZWRpdF9ubl8yMDI0MDcxNCZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0xMjg3NDMmbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5pbmcmcmVnaV9pZD0xNTMzNjg5MTAmc2VnbWVudF9pZD0xNzIxMjYmdGU9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPThlNWQyYTJiNWU0OGE2OTY1NjE5MmNjM2FmMGE5MDBjVwNueXRCCmaSW7qTZhG3Pu5SEWpjZG9vbTlAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAD), a man said he saw somebody with a rifle on a rooftop before the shooting and tried to signal to the Secret Service.
Now, one can take this "AR-15" reference with a grain or three. It's pretty obvious the rifle was semi-automatic, and the most common rifle that is would be 5.56 mm caliber (or 7.62, which makes a different sound, in my opinion even on TV). We'll know soon enough.
As to how anyone with a long gun could get that close to a protectee .... well .... this will be a news item for a few weeks too.
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Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20 year old Republican. Must have been a Desantis man.
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The F.B.I. named the gunman as Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20-year-old from Bethel Park, Pa., roughly 40 miles from Butler, the small city in western Pennsylvania where the attack occurred. Crooks was a registered Republican, though records show that he had donated money to a liberal voter turnout group in 2021. Here is the latest on Crooks. (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/0C2mHCvQJ-VZ5tzeTOTMsQ~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRodj9bP0T0aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAyNC8wNy8xNC91cy9wb2xpdGljcy90cnVtcC1ndW5tYW4tdGhvbWFzLWNyb29rcy5odG1sP2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTkmZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMjAyNDA3MTQmaW5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MTI4NzQzJm5sPXRoZS1tb3JuaW5nJnJlZ2lfaWQ9MTUzMzY4OTEwJnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9MTcyMTI2JnNtaWQ9dXJsLXNoYXJlJnRlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD04ZTVkMmEyYjVlNDhhNjk2NTYxOTJjYzNhZjBhOTAwY1cDbnl0Qgpmklu6k2YRtz7uUhFqY2Rvb205QGdtYWlsLmNvbVgEAAAAAw~~)
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I'm finding it distasteful to make jokes about the topic, but whatever.
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too soon?
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Absolute nightmare.
SS has to be concerned about copy-cat attacks on Trump AND retaliatory attacks on Biden/Harris.
I said the above as soon as I heard about this. Here is Vox saying the same (https://www.votwitter.com/politics/360428/trump-assassination-attempt-pennsylvania-shooting-politics).
"And when someone on one side is attacked, the other becomes more likely to respond in kind."
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I'm quite surprised at 3 posts I've seen on FB (so far) from folks I barely or kind of know about this event. They seem borderline illegal, basically wishing it was not a miss, in rather vituperative terms. I know a lot of folks are very hard core anti-Trump, fine with me, but this level of "discourse" was a bit of a shock, to me.
Live and learn I guess, fortunately I only have slight face to face interaction with one of them. I always thought him a bit odd, but not this odd.
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I'm quite surprised at 3 posts I've seen on FB (so far) from folks I barely or kind of know about this event. They seem borderline illegal, basically wishing it was not a miss, in rather vituperative terms. I know a lot of folks are very hard core anti-Trump, fine with me, but this level of "discourse" was a bit of a shock, to me.
Live and learn I guess, fortunately I only have slight face to face interaction with one of them. I always thought him a bit odd, but not this odd.
This is exactly my fear and here is a flavor of the response from the other side:
"Ya’ll just woke up a nation that has been patient and respectful of your deranged views while remaining quiet the whole time…….ill be carrying my gun EVERYWHERE now"
"They took their shot and they MISSED!!!!!!!!
They have no idea what they have just awakened."
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It usually dies down.
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I like my candidates who don't get shot at
Like your clients?
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I'm quite surprised at 3 posts I've seen on FB (so far) from folks I barely or kind of know about this event. They seem borderline illegal, basically wishing it was not a miss, in rather vituperative terms. I know a lot of folks are very hard core anti-Trump, fine with me, but this level of "discourse" was a bit of a shock, to me.
Live and learn I guess, fortunately I only have slight face to face interaction with one of them. I always thought him a bit odd, but not this odd.
There were some that expressed happiness when JFK died. I never understood that
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Thomas Matthew Crooks, a 20 year old Republican. Must have been a Desantis man.
And, the liberal acts like a dick- again.
At least get it right. Sending his money to the progressives.
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There's no prudent opinion other than to wish this didn't happen and to acknowledge that it's sad someone innocent died, but that the targeted person is just fine.
A sadistic/troubled/evil person failed and that is good.
He is dead and probably deserves that.
His politics are irrelevant, either way. He chose to do something unconscionable and that was obviously wrong.
Trump was president when this guy was 13-16 years old. He was obviously deranged in some way. Hell, he was as likely to do this to impress a girl as any real, actual political reason. Stupid/broken/out of his mind. That's the only frame of mind a person could be in order to attempt such an act.
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It’s sad the target is just fine?
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It’s sad the target is just fine?
Replaced and for but. Happy now?
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Copied from a friend on FB
[color=var(--primary-text)]When I was on Obama’s detail taking him on his first trip into Baghdad with BW (he was a Senator running for President), I was driving the emergency response vehicle (a bearcat) with an AF JTAC sitting behind me talking to the Apache helicopter pilot flying above us. When I saw President Bush at a campaign stop in ‘04 here in Ohio, secret service snipers covered EVERY elevated building at all times. Some were not even facing the stage. It is beyond comprehension for me as someone who used to work in high threat personal protection that this was allowed to happen. Conspiracy theories are warranted here. Less than 200 meters away. I wouldnt have missed with iron sights from that distance.[/color]
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Like your clients?
It's more polite to make fun of my felon clients who get shot at.
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Evidently it's polite & open season with sick sarcasm on a former president though. How many of your clients were shooting 1st? Pretty sure DT wasn't firing at anyone
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I'd guess some folks would make sick jokes if this happened to Joe, I wouldn't think much of them either.
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Copied from a friend on FB
[color=var(--primary-text)]Less than 200 meters away. I wouldnt have missed with iron sights from that distance.[/color]
I was thinking this as well. Even a relatively novice shooter should easily have made the shot but there are two possible explanations for the miss that I can think of:
First, it isn't clear to me that the shooter actually had much time to aim. He may have climbed up on that roof and shot quickly under the assumption that he didn't have long before the SS would open up on him.
Second, I've seen posts suggesting that Trump was wearing a vest (almost certainly true), and that a bullet was recovered from his vest. I don't consider this credible yet but, if true, it would explain a lot. Maybe the first shot hit Trump in the chest then the shooter realized his error and went for a head-shot but rushed it because he (correctly) assumed that the SS were getting ready to waste him.
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I was thinking this as well. Even a relatively novice shooter should easily have made the shot but there are two possible explanations for the miss that I can think of:
First, it isn't clear to me that the shooter actually had much time to aim. He may have climbed up on that roof and shot quickly under the assumption that he didn't have long before the SS would open up on him.
Second, I've seen posts suggesting that Trump was wearing a vest (almost certainly true), and that a bullet was recovered from his vest. I don't consider this credible yet but, if true, it would explain a lot. Maybe the first shot hit Trump in the chest then the shooter realized his error and went for a head-shot but rushed it because he (correctly) assumed that the SS were getting ready to waste him.
If the former President been hit in the chest, wouldn’t he have reacted ahead the ear thing.
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I don't think he was hit in the chest. For one thing, body armor doesn't defeat rifle rounds (generally, unless the armor includes ceramic plates, which most folks find bulky and very uncomfortable). For another, the impact of a round hitting him and being defeated by body armor would knock him off stride, he certainly would have jerked at least some and not been able to speak. And it's possible the shooter did not have line of sight below his head/neck region.
The rifle shots sounded very rapid, too close together to have done any real damage assessment and adjusting.
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I'd guess some folks would make sick jokes if this happened to Joe, I wouldn't think much of them either.
I always shake my head and laugh at things like this. Like Donald Trump is some sort of moral paragon and any jokes at his expense are beyond the pale, even though they are the same jokes he makes about other people. You can lie to yourself, but you can't lie to me.
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https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1812416303342203047
https://twitter.com/AB84/status/1812517518054957267
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I always shake my head and laugh at things like this. Like Donald Trump is some sort of moral paragon and any jokes at his expense are beyond the pale, even though they are the same jokes he makes about other people. You can lie to yourself, but you can't lie to me.
My opinion has nothing to do with Trump. I don’t think much of Trump in part due to his sick jokes,
and I don’t think much of sick jokes about an attempted assassination., or people who make them.
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Now they are saying a local LEO climbed a ladder and confronted the shooter- but retreated when shooter pointed rifle at him. Shots fired at Trump right after that. ??
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I always shake my head and laugh at things like this. Like Donald Trump is some sort of moral paragon and any jokes at his expense are beyond the pale, even though they are the same jokes he makes about other people. You can lie to yourself, but you can't lie to me.
Says a lot about you that you make jokes at the expense of innocent people who have been brutally murdered. But as long as you can use your political beliefs to rationalize violence to yourself.
You’re likely one of the conspiracy theorists who is say the whole thing was staged.
I have a high level of confidence that you would think differently if this happened to someone close to you, which makes you a hypocrite and a number of other things.
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Says a lot about you that you make jokes at the expense of innocent people who have been brutally murdered. But as long as you can use your political beliefs to rationalize violence to yourself.
You’re likely one of the conspiracy theorists who is say the whole thing was staged.
I have a high level of confidence that you would think differently if this happened to someone close to you, which makes you a hypocrite and a number of other things.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/29/trump-mocks-pelosi-family-as-he-rallies-conservative-support-in-california-00119243
“We’ll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi, who ruined San Francisco — how’s her husband doing, anybody know?” Trump said to a raucous crowd of California Republicans at a state party convention. “And she’s against building a wall at our border, even though she has a wall around her house — which obviously didn’t do a very good job.”
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/29/trump-mocks-pelosi-family-as-he-rallies-conservative-support-in-california-00119243
“We’ll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi, who ruined San Francisco — how’s her husband doing, anybody know?” Trump said to a raucous crowd of California Republicans at a state party convention. “And she’s against building a wall at our border, even though she has a wall around her house — which obviously didn’t do a very good job.”
womp womp womp....
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Trump is going to ride this right into the white house...he was always going to beat Biden come November. The only question was by how much. Landslide now imo.
The social media memes are going hard....
https://twitter.com/rustyrockets/status/1812273915986944373
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Trump is going to ride this right into the white house...he was always going to beat Biden come November. The only question was by how much. Landslide now imo.
The social media memes are going hard....
https://twitter.com/rustyrockets/status/1812273915986944373
Maybe, though given his track record there is a good chance he'll screw it up
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the useless enemy of the people pure propaganda corporate media bares much responsibility for this attack in my opinion. so do the democrats who have called Trump every name in the book from an existential threat to democracy (LOL) to literally the new incarnation of Hitler. hell just days before the shooting Biden tweeted out (now deleted) "it's time to put Trump in the bullseye!" Now obviously I don't think Biden meant that literally, but that is dangerous and STUPID language to use, especially when there are many mentally deranged dickless beta male cuck incel blueanon shitlibs out there like the shooter who might just take those words and run with it- as this now deceased loser did.
The media has been flat out lying about nearly everything Trump related for years pushing baseless conspiracy theory after baseless conspiracy theory (like RussiaGate...LMFAO...ANYONE with half a brain cell could see that was completely fabricated ridiculous evidence free bullsh*t immediately) saying he's Hitler etc., etc., and then when people like Tucker Carlson called them out for it and said the next logical step is an assassination attempt, he was called a bunch of names by the truly retarded people that work in corporate media (and you basically HAVE to be a brainless dickless vapid retard void of any morals to work in corporate media) ....welp...Tucker was right..
https://twitter.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1812263340338483585
https://twitter.com/amasad/status/1812284015740956922
https://twitter.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1812312719573615065
Oh and CNN continues to be a complete and utter joke....
https://twitter.com/kurtmetzger/status/1812279615626650013
https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1812287461089017940
https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1812263283111682155
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the useless enemy of the people pure propaganda corporate media bares much responsibility for this attack in my opinion. so do the democrats who have called Trump every name in the book from an existential threat to democracy (LOL) to literally the new incarnation of Hitler. hell just days before the shooting Biden tweeted out (now deleted) "it's time to put Trump in the bullseye!" Now obviously I don't think Biden meant that literally, but that is dangerous and STUPID language to use, especially when there are many mentally deranged dickless beta male cuck incel blueanon shitlibs out there like the shooter who might just take those words and run with it- as this now deceased loser did.
The media has been flat out lying about nearly everything Trump related for years pushing baseless conspiracy theory after baseless conspiracy theory (like RussiaGate...LMFAO...ANYONE with half a brain cell could see that was completely fabricated ridiculous evidence free bullsh*t immediately) saying he's Hitler etc., etc., and then when people like Tucker Carlson called them out for it and said the next logical step is an assassination attempt, he was called a bunch of names by the truly retarded people that work in corporate media (and you basically HAVE to be a brainless dickless vapid retard void of any morals to work in corporate media) ....welp...Tucker was right..
It would have been a good line, until he tried to steal the election and proved what everyone said about him. The man has a self-destructive streak when it comes to blows on his ego.
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It would have been a good line, until he tried to steal the election and proved what everyone said about him. The man has a self-destructive streak when it comes to blows on his ego.
So now the Republicans tried to steal the election? Exactly how is that. All Trump did was to question some very strange things like hundreds of thousands of votes arriving in the middle of the night which were mail in votes and most were for Brandon. This was is right to challenge what he saw as unfair. These votes would not normally have counted except the Secy of state illegally change the voting law to accomadate these late mail in votes. This happened in more then one state.
Its gonna be a diff story this time around.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/29/trump-mocks-pelosi-family-as-he-rallies-conservative-support-in-california-00119243
“We’ll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi, who ruined San Francisco — how’s her husband doing, anybody know?” Trump said to a raucous crowd of California Republicans at a state party convention. “And she’s against building a wall at our border, even though she has a wall around her house — which obviously didn’t do a very good job.”
Thanx for making his point,she absolutely is a hypocrite. You do realize that she and at least a dozen other members of congress TWICE dropped their finacial portfolios mysteriously right before market collapses. Once before the Housing Market crash (conflict of interest) then before the Covid shutdown(breaking federal law that was enacated after the housing market collapse).
This from The New York Post: Pelosi and her husband, have made millions off tech companies that she’s responsible for regulating. (Don’t try this at home, or you could get slapped with a prison sentence of 20 years.)As Americans sweat over the high cost of food and gas, Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s stock portfolio racked up massive gains in 2023.
The former speaker, a consistent high performer in the market (though she had a bad year in 2022 while under increased scrutiny over her trading), enjoyed a 65% return on her investments, reports industry news service Unusual Whales.
That’s better than most major hedge funds.
Key to her success was very “lucky” use of stock options, often a sign of trading on inside information, something members of Congress have lots of. The truth of it is her husband, Paul Pelosi, trades stocks on inside information gleaned from her position in Congress.
In 2012, former President Barack Obama “…signed into law the STOCK Act, a bipartisan bill that prevents Members of Congress from trading stocks based on nonpublic information they gleaned on Capitol Hill,” according to the official White House statement.
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Thanx for making his point,she absolutely is a hypocrite. You do realize that she and at least a dozen other members of congress TWICE dropped their finacial portfolios mysteriously right before market collapses. Once before the Housing Market crash (conflict of interest) then before the Covid shutdown(breaking federal law that was enacated after the housing market collapse).
This from The New York Post: Pelosi and her husband, have made millions off tech companies that she’s responsible for regulating. (Don’t try this at home, or you could get slapped with a prison sentence of 20 years.)As Americans sweat over the high cost of food and gas, Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s stock portfolio racked up massive gains in 2023.
The former speaker, a consistent high performer in the market (though she had a bad year in 2022 while under increased scrutiny over her trading), enjoyed a 65% return on her investments, reports industry news service Unusual Whales.
That’s better than most major hedge funds.
Key to her success was very “lucky” use of stock options, often a sign of trading on inside information, something members of Congress have lots of. The truth of it is her husband, Paul Pelosi, trades stocks on inside information gleaned from her position in Congress.In 2012, former President Barack Obama “…signed into law the STOCK Act, a bipartisan bill that prevents Members of Congress from trading stocks based on nonpublic information they gleaned on Capitol Hill,” according to the official White House statement.
The Pelosis have moral issues? Might as well try to kill them.
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The Pelosis have moral issues? Might as well try to kill them.
Yeah- you seem more than ok with it. Killing your opponent.
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Yeah- you seem more than ok with it. Killing your opponent.
I feel I'm demonstrating the same level of concern that Trump is, and you would vote for him to be president of the United States.
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I feel I'm demonstrating the same level of concern that Trump is, and you would vote for him to be president of the United States.
Wow. You’re sicker than I thought.
I have heard of human pigs like you- but never met one.
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The Pelosis have moral issues? Might as well try to kill them.
That's a leap nice double down on making an ass of yourself. DT and kamela are in good company you should try running for office as much as you flip flop. You are supposedly an attorney did she break the law along with the rest who should have been run out then into a penal colony?
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That's a leap nice double down on making an ass of yourself. DT and kamela are in good company you should try running as much as you flip flop. You are supposedly an attorney did she break the law along with the rest who should have been run out then into a penal colony?
Nancy Pelosi was the victim of an attempted assassination. Her husband caught the wrong end of a hammer in the attempt. Trump made jokes about it. So don't tell me how much you hate jokes about attempted assassinations.
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Good to see everyone is using this thread to temper the political discourse.
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Nancy Pelosi was the victim of an attempted assassination. Her husband caught the wrong end of a hammer in the attempt. Trump made jokes about it. So don't tell me how much you hate jokes about attempted assassinations.
You have the peculiar faculty of realizing hallucinations - I didn't even say that you sick fuck can you read? I was discussing pelosi's ponzi sheme.And how she broke not only protocol but the freakin' law. Are you too broke to pay attention? Perhaps paul's shady dealings came home to roost or the gay lover he was with had a spat
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You have the peculiar faculty of realizing hallucinations - I didn't even say that you sick fuck can you read? I was discussing pelosi's ponzi sheme.And how she broke not only protocol but the freakin' law. Are you too broke to pay attention? Perhaps paul's shady dealings came home to roost or the gay lover he was with had a spat
Hmm is there anyone on earth, perhaps in the news, who has run afoul of violence, that has also run afoul of the law?
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Answer the question Claire
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Answer the question Claire
What is the question?
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What is the question?
So you can't read,good to know OK,goodnite and take some of your material to the water cooler tomorrow
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So you can't read,good to know OK,goodnite and take some of your material to the water cooler tomorrow
I don't have a water cooler the county can't afford it
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Well you better defend them in court if you believe that
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Well you better defend them in court if you believe that
They've always got money for jail
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So now the Republicans tried to steal the election? Exactly how is that. All Trump did was to question some very strange things like hundreds of thousands of votes arriving in the middle of the night which were mail in votes and most were for Brandon. This was is right to challenge what he saw as unfair. These votes would not normally have counted except the Secy of state illegally change the voting law to accomadate these late mail in votes. This happened in more then one state.
Its gonna be a diff story this time around.
This is simply wrong. Trump openly pushed the lie of the 2020 election with no actual evidence to back it up. He had lawyers try to challenge it in court and his lawsuits failed. Still he continued to push the lie anyway. This was the reason there was a rally in Washington on Jan 6. A rally that Trump spoke at.where Trump continued to push the big lie. If Trump was not pushing this big lie, there would have not been a rally that day. Trump has never accepted responsibility for his role on Jan 6.
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https://twitter.com/RobertSkvarla/status/1812605337582924062
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https://twitter.com/RobertSkvarla/status/1812605337582924062
Nice try. Grasping. 😂
he donated once-his most recent political move ( only known one) to a far left pac.
regardless- he shot the man who is leading to be the next POTUS. What more evidence do you need- he was a nutball. Had to know he was committing suicide.
Odds are if he didn’t get his head blown off by the SS, Kamel-toe would have bailed him out of jail.
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I’ve been watching some UW games from last year, and I don’t quite know how to feel about a specific thing.
The defense was just sloppy in terms of tackling, gap discipline and closing down space in the secondary. In the one hand, this is concerning because the coach’s background is defense. In the other, these things seem somewhat fixable through reps, training and such.
It’s also interesting to see that the 3-3 they’re nominally playing is not only a 3-3, but very often a 4-2 or 2-4 in function.
(Offense was more an issue, and a lot of personnel was swapped out. But issue No. 1 was the OL getting is ass kicked a lot. Fixing that would be super)
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I’ve been watching some UW games from last year, and I don’t quite know how to feel about a specific thing.
The defense was just sloppy in terms of tackling, gap discipline and closing down space in the secondary. In the one hand, this is concerning because the coach’s background is defense. In the other, these things seem somewhat fixable through reps, training and such.
It’s also interesting to see that the 3-3 they’re nominally playing is not only a 3-3, but very often a 4-2 or 2-4 in function.
(Offense was more an issue, and a lot of personnel was swapped out. But issue No. 1 was the OL getting is ass kicked a lot. Fixing that would be super)
I'm always of the opinion that the first year of a coach is more or less useless. Especially at a place like Wisconsin, which hasn't had much change in thirty years.
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Here you go Sam. A smile for you before bed.
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Here you go Sam. A smile for you before bed.
Hey, when you smirked about the assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi, did you brush your teeth first?
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Hey, when you smirked about the assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi, did you brush your teeth first?
Nah. It disgusted me. Violence disgusts me. When that nutball shot Scalise, it disgusted me. When they caught the assassin trying to kill Justice Kavanaugh, it disgusted me. Hell, when I found out Kristi Noem shot a puppy- that disgusted me.
Yesterday disgusted me. But that’s what makes you and I so different. And why you disgust me.
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Thats Really funny cause this guy did. Talk about tough.
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I’ve been watching some UW games from last year, and I don’t quite know how to feel about a specific thing.
The defense was just sloppy in terms of tackling, gap discipline and closing down space
I see where you are going with this. Like the Wisconsin defense, there were gaps in the secret service's. Protection. They need to work on that and fix those gaps.
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Toughest President ever!
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1812613032721203488
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I see where you are going with this. Like the Wisconsin defense, there were gaps in the secret service's. Protection. They need to work on that and fix those gaps.
Nope. Not where I was going with this.
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So, when the shooting started, did the SS Agents yell . . .
Donald Duck
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Nah. It disgusted me. Violence disgusts me. When that nutball shot Scalise, it disgusted me. When they caught the assassin trying to kill Justice Kavanaugh, it disgusted me. Hell, when I found out Kristi Noem shot a puppy- that disgusted me.
Yesterday disgusted me. But that’s what makes you and I so different. And why you disgust me.
We'll see how disgusted you are when you vote
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The shooter seems like a total mystery. Apparently, he tried out for his school's rifle team but was a bad shot. He liked guns a lot, apparently. My working theory is that he wanted to go out showing everyone he could hit a target. Didn't work out that way.
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We'll see how disgusted you are when you vote
Well let’s think about that. Hmmm. If I am disgusted by violence, and don’t like either candidate, how should I vote?
On one side, you have numerous Hollywood stars and elected officials openly calling for violence against not only Trump, but people who support him. You have 574 riots during BLM time which included over 2 dozen deaths, billions of dollars and damage, including federal buildings, banks, and police stations. You have law enforcement officers, being bombarded with Molotov cocktails and frozen water bottles, among other things. You have our current vice president publicly vow to bail people out of jail and raising money to do so. You have a president who is openly allowing dangerous, criminals into our country with very little or no vetting, many of of them committing violent crimes. That same administration openly favoring defunding of the police, no bail, soft on violent crime, despite incredible amounts of repeat offenders.
For somebody who really despises violence, it’s not a tough choice.😂😂
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Well let’s think about that. Hmmm. If I am disgusted by violence, and don’t like either candidate, how should I vote?
On one side, you have numerous Hollywood stars and elected officials openly calling for violence against not only Trump, but people who support him. You have 574 riots during BLM time which included over 2 dozen deaths, billions of dollars and damage, including federal buildings, banks, and police stations. You have law enforcement officers, being bombarded with Molotov cocktails and frozen water bottles, among other things. You have our current vice president publicly vow to bail people out of jail and raising money to do so. You have a president who is openly allowing dangerous, criminals into our country with very little or no vetting, many of of them committing violent crimes. That same administration openly favoring defunding of the police, no bail, soft on violent crime, despite incredible amounts of repeat offenders.
For somebody who really despises violence, it’s not a tough choice.😂😂
Vote for who you want. Just spare me the "disgust" talk. If you are disgusted by someone but would still vote for them for president, then your disgust doesn't mean much.
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HB is on record here stating he did not vote for Donald Trump.
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Setting a personal bar to be that of how Trump speaks is way too low for me, personally. I'm not a fan of the logic of "Well, "X" does it, so I can too.".
Both candidates disgust me, in different ways. A lot of folks feel compelled to vote and choose the LOTE as their choice, a man they probably dislike and find disgusting at times. A lot of folks just vote for their "team", no matter who is running.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the polls. I know a lot of folks predict a benefit for Trump, I'm thinking probably not. The "undecided folks" out there won't be positively impacted by this very often I suspect. I already see memes on FB from liberals about banning "assault rifles" of course.
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I'm reminded that when people talk, there is usually a subtext, like showing how great they are or how smart they are.
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Or they are showing how low they are, and perhaps how dumb. It's also an option.
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dat's why I keep quiet much of the time
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dat's why I keep quiet much of the time
Now you're showing us just who you are.....
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I have to deal with needy trial attorneys who have the pathological need to be the smartest person in the room. I guess I'm practiced in the department, though it is still annoying
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Looking forward to hearing the Secret Service's explanation of how a shooter with an AR15 gets up on a plain white roof top just 140 yards away, and gets several shots off. Never should have happened.
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I cannot imagine any decent explanation for a lot that happened, other than "We screwed up badly." We'll see if anyone is found deficient or culpable.
Often, the blame ends up so diffuse and vague no one really gets penalized except maybe the janitor.
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a friend of mine, retired high school teacher, Vietnam vet was amazed at the lack of security on the campaign trail
He attended a campaign rally at our local small town high school gymnasium back in 2007 maybe? I think Hillary was speaking on behalf of Obama.
no metal detectors. no pat down. Just waltz in and take a seat up front 10-15 feet from the podium.
He thought it would have been very easy to carry in a handgun.
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Secret Service failed to keep Trump safe during the Pennsylvania rally shooting (msnbc.com) (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/-trump-rally-shooting-assassination-attempt-secret-service-rcna161768)
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Trump assassination attempt: Secret Service says it did not sweep building where gunman was located – WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta (wsbtv.com) (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/trump-assassination-attempt-secret-service-says-it-did-not-sweep-building-where-gunman-was-located/PTCDKWZUBRA33PAVBTDCRBFMRU/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem_manual&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3FQ9SO1xuxTbGXzwjV4jrgnxQfAs8QeBqgEeUSfkogsb2_uuBy-BccxwY_aem_RyO3mwvp5ci3HNbJzVDraA)
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There were failures on many levels here.
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a friend of mine, retired high school teacher, Vietnam vet was amazed at the lack of security on the campaign trail
He attended a campaign rally at our local small town high school gymnasium back in 2007 maybe? I think Hillary was speaking on behalf of Obama.
no metal detectors. no pat down. Just waltz in and take a seat up front 10-15 feet from the podium.
He thought it would have been very easy to carry in a handgun.
She was not a protectee at that time, except for a small group dedicated to families of former Presidents. She may have had two agents assigned.
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Wow.
MSNBC yanks anti-Trump 'Morning Joe' off air following assassination attempt | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-yanks-anti-trump-morning-joe-off-air-following-assassination-attempt)
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I see this as a minor event, since it was a minor injury
also, since this type of event happens rarely
I think we can learn from it and perhaps have better security going forward
it's a sensational event for some folks obviously. Not for me.
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This was not a minor event.
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It was very nearly a successful assassination of a former president and current presidential candidate. Like, 1 or 2 inches away from being fatal. I think that's pretty major.
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minor injury = minor event
IMO
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Wow.
MSNBC yanks anti-Trump 'Morning Joe' off air following assassination attempt | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-yanks-anti-trump-morning-joe-off-air-following-assassination-attempt)
Good. And keep him off.
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minor injury = minor event
IMO
A former (and probably future) president was literally one centimeter away from having his brains blown out.
Not minor.
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minor injury = minor event
IMO
I doubt if someone pierced your ear with a .223 from 140 yards away you'd consider that a minor event.
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Toughest President ever!
Well he's in the discussion IMHO that 1st Guy,Valley Forge and all of that for 8 yrs. And Lincoln faced an absolute horror story in 4 yrs plus had two sons die while in office. When the shooting supposedly stopped Father Abraham gets clipped.What did one of the civil war combatants state - “My shoes are gone; my clothes are almost gone. I’m weary, I’m sick, I’m hungry. My family have been killed or scattered. . . . And I have suffered all this for my country. I love my country. But if this war is ever over, I’ll be damned if I’ll ever love another country.”
San Juan Hill really isn't comparable
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minor injury = minor event
IMO
Ya because former Presidents get the Van Gogh treatment all the time
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I cannot imagine any decent explanation for a lot that happened, other than "We screwed up badly." We'll see if anyone is found deficient or culpable.
Often, the blame ends up so diffuse and vague no one really gets penalized except maybe the janitor.
or Cleveland State
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I doubt if someone pierced your ear with a .223 from 140 yards away you'd consider that a minor event.
I would think so.
A former (and probably future) president was literally one centimeter away from having his brains blown out.
Not minor.
how would you describe it if the shot would have been fatal?
I'm not saying it wasn't a significant event, but it could have been a MAJOR event. It wasn't.
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HB is on record here stating he did not vote for Donald Trump.
Neither have I but that was past tense
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I would think so.how would you describe it if the shot would have been fatal?
I'm not saying it wasn't a significant event, but it could have been a MAJOR event. It wasn't.
If Donald Trump was killed, it would be described as a national tragedy.
This is very close to a national tragedy. It's a dark day in our history.
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like January 6th?
something almost happened
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That should not have happened.
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like January 6th?
something almost happened
Yes, 5 to 9 people died from the results of Jan 6th, depending on how you count it.
2 Trump supporters died of heart attacks day of attack
1 trump supporter died from being shot day of attack
1 Trump supporter died from an amphetamine overdose day of attack
1 cop died day after attack from the effects of the attack.
4 police officers involved in attack committed suicide in the following 6 months after the attack. (These 4 are questionable what really caused them to commit suicide)
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Lulz Fearless you pot-stirring bastage.
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Yes, 6 people died.
Still clinging to that totally debunked falsehood?
one person died. An unarmed lady shot in the neck by Capitol Cops.
Yes- one died of a drug overdose and 3 of natural causes- all within 36 of the event. But get real.
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Yes, 5 to 9 people died from the results of Jan 6th, depending on how you count it.
2 Trump supporters died of heart attacks day of attack
1 trump supporter died from being shot day of attack
1 Trump supporter died from an amphetamine overdose day of attack
1 cop died day after attack from the effects of the attack.
4 police officers involved in attack committed suicide in the following 6 months after the attack. (These 4 are questionable what really caused them to commit suicide)
so full of logic
have you seen any of the footage of security escorting the invaders around the Capital
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The documents case should have never been brought
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Still clinging to that totally debunked falsehood?
one person died. An unarmed lady shot in the neck by Capitol Cops.
Yes- one died of a drug overdose and 3 of natural causes- all within 36 of the event.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
Yes, 5 to 9 people died from the results of Jan 6th, depending on how you count it.
2 Trump supporters died of heart attacks day of attack
1 trump supporter died from being shot day of attack
1 Trump supporter died from an amphetamine overdose day of attack
1 cop died day after attack from the effects of the attack.
4 police officers involved in attack committed suicide in the following 6 months after the attack. (These 4 are debatable as to what really caused them to commit suicide)
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i really think we all need to get back to talking about sports
politics is not a subject we at this time can peacefully discuss
that in itself is the saddest thing we can agree on
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OK, so I closed this topic based on the above post.
We generally have very civil discourse here, so any politics/policy should be added to the catch-all (other news) thread. Policy would be best, but it spills over much of the time.
We don't need several running threads like this one.