I think he's back next yearWelp,might as well get the Off Season Drinking thread going then
The one NFL job I thought made a ton of sense for Harbaugh was the Chargers. Apparently his wife loves California, he played for the franchise, and you get Justin Herbert.Have seen people speculate Washington could be it. Supposedly he prefers the NFC so as not to have to potentially face his brother in an AFC title game. DC is also close to Baltimore, and have seen it suggested that Jim and his parents (who live next door to him in Ann Arbor) would all move down together to DMV area and be close to John.
But was reading the Athletic today, and they went so all in this year, that they have to shed $40 million in salary for next year. So it's likely the surrounding roster is way worse next year.
So based on situation/roster, I don't see an NFL team worth jumping to this year. Apparently the new Washington owner group is a 180, so maybe the appeal of turning that proud franchise around, but in terms of situation, blah
I think he's back next year
I thought if he left it would be for the Bears. It's a pretty good situation. A lot of draft capital. Room in the salary cap.I look at a lot of the college coaches and wonder why they'd subject themselves to the year-round recruiting nightmare. And it's only getting worse with the transfer portal and NIL--you have to constantly be recruiting your own roster to stay. You don't have to do that crap in the NFL.
Personally, I just don't get the appeal for him making the jump. Is winning the Super Bowl that much better than his situation at Michigan? It probably is better for a lot of other college coaches, but his specific situation I see his job as a dream job outside of winter weather versus somewhere warmer.
I know the NBA and NFL are very different, but I keep referencing back to Beilein. Making the jump to the pros isn't always as great as it seems. Now granted, Jim also has layers in there with his brother at Baltimore so there's probably a large amount of appeal of competing against him as well.
My goggle side says he stays and should, but my gut tells me he's going to the NFL.
I thought if he left it would be for the Bears. It's a pretty good situation. A lot of draft capital. Room in the salary cap.I can't imagine a worse job than being a college coach at this point. Up until a couple years ago, I think you were making enough as a Saban or Dabo, to just keep the wheel turning.
Personally, I just don't get the appeal for him making the jump. Is winning the Super Bowl that much better than his situation at Michigan? It probably is better for a lot of other college coaches, but his specific situation I see his job as a dream job outside of winter weather versus somewhere warmer.
I know the NBA and NFL are very different, but I keep referencing back to Beilein. Making the jump to the pros isn't always as great as it seems. Now granted, Jim also has layers in there with his brother at Baltimore so there's probably a large amount of appeal of competing against him as well.
My goggle side says he stays and should, but my gut tells me he's going to the NFL.
Did anyone one ask why Michigan backed down for their day in court?LOL it didn't say the investigation is thru or the coast is clear either,if anything the known cheating bought booger time.LOL...fish on!
Did anyone one ask why Michigan backed down for their day in court?LOL it didn't say the investigation is thru or the coast is clear either,if anything the known cheating bought booger time.My total guess here is B1G agreed no more punishment other than 3 games so long as Michigan didn’t fight them in court.
The one NFL job I thought made a ton of sense for Harbaugh was the Chargers. Apparently his wife loves California, he played for the franchise, and you get Justin Herbert.Commanders front runner might be former Michigan DC, Mike MacDonald.
But was reading the Athletic today, and they went so all in this year, that they have to shed $40 million in salary for next year. So it's likely the surrounding roster is way worse next year.
So based on situation/roster, I don't see an NFL team worth jumping to this year. Apparently the new Washington owner group is a 180, so maybe the appeal of turning that proud franchise around, but in terms of situation, blah
I think he's back next year
Was hoping he’d make a leap over spring & fall ball and wind up starting opposite Will Johnson in 2024.Yuck, thought Johnson was draft eligible.
Yuck, thought Johnson was draft eligible.nope homie is a true sophomore. so is DT Mason Graham and NT Kenneth Grant.
Boo
https://twitter.com/RGW_News/status/1745882182986375640?s=20Well, maybe he got a few more millions out of that rumor
nope homie is a true sophomore. so is DT Mason Graham and NT Kenneth Grant.That ended up being a home run recruiting class. Loveland in that mix as well. Punching way above the weight of what that class was ranked.
Rapoport reporting Jim is meeting with the Chargers. Vegas disagrees.I think it’s Chargers or Michigan at this point. The Chargers have Herbert, but also have serious cap issues plaguing them for the next two years. Raiders probably go back to Pierce with the team threatening a revolt if he gets bounced.
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I think it’s Chargers or Michigan at this point. The Chargers have Herbert, but also have serious cap issues plaguing them for the next two years. Raiders probably go back to Pierce with the team threatening a revolt if he gets bounced.Not only do the Chargers have cap issues going forward, but they have truly god awful ownership.
That's some serious character assasination right there - might want to retract that
The Spanos family is god awful, right up there with the Fords or Haslems. You’d have to be desperate or stupid to work for any of them.
With the exception of Satan,Hitler,Stalin and Pelosi no one should be compared to Jimmy Haslem. Maybe Dick Cheney alsoIdk…Ford family has largely SUCKED and Spanos family have been pretty damn bad as well. Haslems are definitely one of the worst though. For sure.
RB Donovan Edwards announces he's returning for his SR year, as does EDGE Josiah Stewart. Both pretty big pieces coming back.Love seeing Donovan back. I bet he has a big year. JJ leaving makes me lean towards Harbaugh leaving. Although, JJ's decision had to be in before Jim's so maybe Jim's isn't definitely, but he passed along that he's likely leaving or very interested in the NFL. Personally, I thought JJ needed another year. This year he really struggled with what to do in the pocket with pressure, had a lot of plays he stared at only one option to throw when he had better options and many times lacked an understanding of what kind of touch to put on the ball. Great kid.. has a high ceiling, but he's still very young and at least a year away if not a couple.
Obviously JJ leaving hurts them tremendously in 2024. Ideally would've liked to have JJ back for his SR year...
Who is QB1 as of right now?total guess is Alex Orji. Jaydn Davis will get his shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to hit the portal either.
Who is QB1 as of right now?I think it will be a competition between Orji, Denegal, Warren, Tuttle, Davis, and anyone from the portal. I doubt a true freshman Davis wins the competition but anything is possible. No one has ever been promised the job by this coaching staff. If Orji can improve his passing game, I think it might be him. If they get someone of Maryland's Tagovailoa caliber from the portal....
Who is QB1 as of right now?Flip a coin.. or 4. I don't think the portal is a relevant conversation until the head coaching position is confirmed.
Just looked it up.He can join Bluto and the boys at Delta-Delta-Delta
Class of 2018.
Last year was his 6th. Can you even get a 7th?
Love seeing Donovan back. I bet he has a big year. JJ leaving makes me lean towards Harbaugh leaving. Although, JJ's decision had to be in before Jim's so maybe Jim's isn't definitely, but he passed along that he's likely leaving or very interested in the NFL. Personally, I thought JJ needed another year. This year he really struggled with what to do in the pocket with pressure, had a lot of plays he stared at only one option to throw when he had better options and many times lacked an understanding of what kind of touch to put on the ball. Great kid.. has a high ceiling, but he's still very young and at least a year away if not a couple.I definitely think that JJ needs another year to improve across the board, but it doesn't matter if he's a 1st rd pick. Even the last pick in the 1st rd is going to get a $12 mil/4-year deal with around $6 mil up front for signing the deal. No way he'd make more money with NIL and he'd only risk himself to injury.
There was a ton of noise that Tucker was extremely horny, so MSU put that very broad morality clause in his contract. Harbaugh knows he cheated, and he isn't about to get fired for what he knows he did. I'll give him credit, he's more savvy to his sins than Mel was, which is why only one of them is going to get paidwell booger never admitted to crank yanking on the company phone like Tugger did when interviewed by the USA Today
Tuttle is out of eligibility then. Never heard of a 7th year even with Covid.Hmm.
Jeem has also interviewed with the Falcons.The longer there's no announcement, the more I'm leaning towards Harbaugh staying at Michigan. The reasoning is because the longer it takes, the more negative impact on the UM program if he leaves and I truly believe he cares so much about the program that he wouldn't want any part of his impact being negative if he leaves a dumpster fire behind. Even though he rubbed some people at M the wrong way over the years, I think his passion and desire has always been to leave his positive mark and I really doubt he leaves a disaster behind knowingly if pieces aren't well in place.
Two teams, no offers that we know of- and no insiders saying a deal is eminent.
I 100% thought he’d have already had a deal done with the chargers. Guess not.
Maybe NFL teams interviewed him and said man- this guy is too fking weird- pass.
nothing from Manual confirming/denying. He saw what happened to Tucker,just sayingI'm not sure he has any idea what is going on at any time in his program. His biggest strength is letting his coaches do whatever they want
Hmm.Miami tight end Cam McCormick is doing the unprecedented, announcing his return for a ninth season of college football in 2024. McCormick had the option to declare for the 2024 NFL Draft, but instead decided to extend his college career with the Hurricanes. He spent the first seven years of his career at Oregon. McCormick was a three-star prospect coming out of the 2016 recruiting class. He suffered season-ending injuries in four consecutive years (2018-2021) while with the Ducks and was granted additional eligibility by the NCAA.
Michigan Quarterback Is Seeking Seventh Year of Eligibility From NCAA (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/michigan-quarterback-is-seeking-seventh-year-of-eligibility-from-ncaa/ar-AA1nbRiV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=34531e2e43b84efc9315264cc78c745e&ei=14)
I'm not sure he has any idea what is going on at any time in his program. His biggest strength is letting his coaches do whatever they wantGuess they took liberties with it
what aboot Da Bears?they are shockingly keeping their head coach...
He needs to fking go. Same song, same NFL dance every god damn motherfking off-season. It's never ending. Basically been every damn year he's been there except for 2 or 3.I agree,can't wait for April and Jim to pass up JJ in the 2nd of the draft :043:
Anyways, Jeem can seriously go fk himself. Just fking resign, let the school promote Sherrone Moore and take a god damn NFL job and be done with it already so we can move on here. This constant state of limbo is KILLING them in recruiting '25 and '26 and potential portal additions for this season.You can’t be serious? He turned around the entire program and brought a national championship. You should want a guy that doesn’t give a damn about the board of regents and the coach is more in control of the program than them because he’s relevant.
He needs to fking go. Same song, same NFL dance every god damn motherfking off-season. It's never ending. Basically been every damn year he's been there except for 2 or 3.
You can’t be serious? He turned around the entire program and brought a national championship. You should want a guy that doesn’t give a damn about the board of regents and the coach is more in control of the program than them because he’s relevant.Jeem calls all his own shots. Has since day one. It's a complete and utter fantasy to suggest otherwise. He runs that program from A to Z. Sure he's probably not thrilled with being suspended twice in one season, but to me the school did just about everything it could to stand behind him. The first suspension they tried to placate the NCAA. The second suspension, well the B1G ordered him suspended, and it would've just been stupid for the school to continue on with the legal fight in the courts. Just take the L and move on.
do you seriously need to go back to the days of Rich Rod and Hoke where the people behind the scenes were calling the shots? I don’t.
Mdot is right,pschotic but right (Animal House plug). Too much distraction year in/out if a recruit doesn't think he'll be around why bother? So far the portal and his bros advice and coordinators have been gold.Can he maintain that,IMO he has cards he's not showing but seems to want to waffle off to the League. The level of bizarre surrounding the program can backfire and this recent foray into SUNDAY interest again is just leaving coaches,players even some admns hanging.Sh!t or get off the pot as Mdot said before damn right.Hell just retire he has enough to keep himself in Khakis for many lifetimesdude is basically a spouse with one foot out the door threatening to leave and file for a divorce every god damn fking year. at some point when is the school going to have some dignity and call his bluff and just say, OK, thanks for everything, it was great while it lasted, BYE FELICIA.
Michigan is dead in the portal and dead in 2025 recruiting until this is done.yup. they just lost the commitment of 4* CB and top 100 player in nation for 2025 from Florida. can't get jack in the portal. they need Jeem to either sign massive deal right now and reaffirm his commitment to Michigan or they need to move on and promote Moore to HC and throw bags at the staff to keep as much of it intact as possible.
The AD needs to move on, IMO, but it sounds like he has no sack.
how many of the current staff might follow Jeem to the NFL?Jay?
Jay?Jay definitely will follow him. DC Jesse Minter is probably a good bet as well- Minter is from the NFL and has NFL aspirations. QB coach Kirk Campbell is tight with Jeem and could follow him. The S&C guy Ben Herbert could as well- but that's a toss up- he's more college guy than pro and he's being paid handsomely by Michigan. Pretty much everyone else on staff however is likely to stay at Michigan so long as Moore gets the HC job and they all get a pay raise imo.
yup. they just lost the commitment of 4* CB and top 100 player in nation for 2025 from Florida. can't get jack in the portal. they need Jeem to either sign massive deal right now and reaffirm his commitment to Michigan or they need to move on and promote Moore to HC and throw bags at the staff to keep as much of it intact as possible.Portal worx if they can get NIL scratch which isn't a problem in AA I would think
Jay definitely will follow him. DC Jesse Minter is probably a good bet as well- Minter is from the NFL and has NFL aspirations. QB coach Kirk Campbell is tight with Jeem and could follow him. The S&C guy Ben Herbert could as well- but that's a toss up- he's more college guy than pro and he's being paid handsomely by Michigan. Pretty much everyone else on staff however is likely to stay at Michigan so long as Moore gets the HC job and they all get a pay raise imo.Look at what happened to the Wisconsin OL since he followed Bert to Arky, and look at what's happened to the Michigan OL since Herbert got there.
Look at what happened to the Wisconsin OL since he followed Bert to Arky, and look at what's happened to the Michigan OL since Herbert got there.he's one of the best for sure, and Michigan would try to keep him. but if he wants to follow Jeem to the pros, not much you can do. he seems more college than NFL to me though, but wtf do I know?
That's all you need to know about how great he is.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1749473010342306304?s=20I believe Jeem already had a 2nd interview with the Falcons. Seems a little bit odd that he's interviewing twice with both teams now and zero offers or deals have been announced. Usually these head coaching hires move fast....see Raiders with Antonio Pierce and Patriots with Jerod Mayo.
He blew it in the 2nd interview with the Vikings last time. It's when the CTE really comes out.yup. he needs to either sign his extension with Michigan or just resign and let them promote Sherrone Moore like immediately.
This honestly continues to feel vindictive. Michigan can't add talent without a coach, they might lose some, and then if he eventually decides to jump, there is going to be a period of time where the only guys in the portal are Michigan players.
He's double birding the athletic department, and seemingly setting up whoever follows him for failure, to make it look like it was all him all along
yup. he needs to either sign his extension with Michigan or just resign and let them promote Sherrone Moore like immediately.No sleepovers or a million satellite camps? No tree-climbing?
Their recruiting in '25 should be WHITE hot coming off a Natty, yet it's stagnant and they've been gaining no traction in '25- instead they are losing commits in '25- including a top 100 player in the nation from Florida.
Sherrone Moore needs to be made HC and they just need to cut him loose on the '25 class and portal kids. I have a feeling that Moore would be an amazing recruiter as a HC. Much better than Jeem's weirdo ass ever was.
Much better than Jeem's weirdo ass ever was.People that aren't "mainstream," who put their focus on the areas of importance that Jim does, tend to be better humans. I'll take a weirdo that's a better human any day. Winning a title with one was just a cherry.
yet you'll give a verbal bj to a 17 year old kid who commits to Michigan that the only thing known is a youtube highlight video.:D Gold Jerry Gold - lock the thread
I'm not sure Jim is a better than average human beingI can promise you every D1 head football coach is FAR worse than the average human being. You have to be a special kind of psycho
People that aren't "mainstream," who put their focus on the areas of importance that Jim does, tend to be better humans. I'll take a weirdo that's a better human any day. Winning a title with one was just a cherry.yeah, no offense but you have no idea how good of a human being Jeem is. He's a god damn football coach, not a clergyman. He's coaching football at the highest level on college for $10 million a year....not running an orphanage. Let's not make him out to be anything other than what he is, mmmmmkay? He's a football coach....who coaches a backyard children's game for ten million dollars a year.
What's weird is how quickly you want to trash Harbaugh after what he just gave you as a fan, yet you'll give a verbal bj to a 17 year old kid who commits to Michigan that the only thing known is a youtube highlight video.
What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?I don't see it. Too young to retire, too much ego, and nothing else to do.
What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?He's nuts enough to do it,unless he's bad with managing money.I mean,really,really bad with money
He's not the type that will ever make sense in the broadcast booth or some TV analyst position, and IMHO would absolutely hate it and want to quit even faster than he'd be fired for sucking at it.Think Beth Mowins on Xanax
What are the odds that he just says F it and hangs it up?The Greg McElroy story tells me he’ll probably die coaching https://twitter.com/alwayscfb/status/1743296032128086134?s=46&t=uWOy5gTEvkZq8bFijjU5Tw (https://twitter.com/alwayscfb/status/1743296032128086134?s=46&t=uWOy5gTEvkZq8bFijjU5Tw)
One gets the idea that you find him irksome Mdot 😜I find him irksome as hell
Not gonna bleed dudes to the portalThe sleepover deal closing was unparalleled
Dudes didn't line up to play for Jim
The sleepover deal closing was unparalleledMaybe he’d close more deals if he talked dirty to abuse victims?
announce Sherrone Moore to HC asap or you’re probably going to bleed dudes to the portal like Bama.Are they bound by the state law that says they have to post it for 7 days?
Moore will wind up being an even better recruiting head coach than Jeem and an improved version of David Shaw- who kept Stanford at a high level for like 8 years before running out of gas.
https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1750321147940409444/photo/1Lol. Now that’s a really good one.
get busy winning or stay busy losing.
A CTE/Autistic psycho asshole working for a bunch of notoriously cheap entitled rich pricks like the Spanos brothers? What could possibly go wrong? Jeem will win a lot, and fast, but still be fired within 5 years. 49ers situation all over again.But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.
At least it's over.Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.
M still has some good players.
Time to start picking some meat off the bone, Coach Fickell.
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Are they bound by the state law that says they have to post it for 7 days?It is possible to get this rule waived. It should be relatively easy to do if you're hiring Michigan's first black head coach.
I don't get the Brian Kelly rumors. I don't mean this as a knock on the Michigan job in the slightest, but I can't figure out why he would leave LSU for Michigan. He just got here, just finished assembling likely the best staff he's ever had on paper--many of whom would not go with him elsewhere--has a criminally massive contract, building a great recruiting class, and his biggest obstacle just retired.The author of the rumor is smoking crack. As is the person who put forth Luke Fickell.
I'm ambivalent on whether he stays at LSU or not. I'm not convinced he's the guy LSU thinks he is, but purely from his perspective, I don't know why you'd go through the upheaval again.
If Michigan is beating the hell out of us in NIL, like Ohio State, like Ole Miss, like UGA, like Texas.....I guess I could see that.
I would've thought JH would prefer to stay out of the AFC where he may have to play his brother more. Guess the Mannings are the only people who care about stuff like that.Jeem has been open about his burning desire to win a Super Bowl forever. Chargers have the biggest single piece already in place required to accomplish that goal...a young, super-talented franchise QB. Plus they'll have the 5th pick in the draft. They could trade down to like 10-15 get extra 2nd/3rd rd picks, take Brock Bowers at TE (Jeem LOVES him some TE's) and take Blake Corum with that extra 2nd or 3rd rd pick they got by trading back and that offense is cooking with grease now.
Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.UW finished 2nd to M in a lot of battles, and even lost a couple of commits to M when CPC got fired.
I don't think they lose anyone to the portal so long as Sherrone Moore is promoted to HC. IF they decide to be stupid and try and do a national search and poach like Brian Kelly or something, then those really good players might hit the portal, but they won't be transferring to Wisconsin....
But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.A couple of good drafts and FA signings and it could happen.Hope not though
UW finished 2nd to M in a lot of battles, and even lost a couple of commits to M when CPC got fired.to guys who are rotational players or buried on the depth chart....
Michigan has a lot of excellent players on that roster. Especially on defense. Offense is a bit of a question mark as they'll have to find a new starting QB with JJ moving on to the NFL and they'll have to rebuild the OL a little bit, but they have what is in my opinion probably the most talented offensive player in the entire B1G returning in 2024 in Donovan Edwards and arguably the best returning TE in CFB in Colston Loveland.Completely agree.
I don't think they lose anyone to the portal so long as Sherrone Moore is promoted to HC. IF they decide to be stupid and try and do a national search and poach like Brian Kelly or something, then those really good players might hit the portal, but they won't be transferring to Wisconsin....
But will he win the Super Bowl first? The race is on.that's the $1,000,000 question.
The only legitimate question is-- how good is Brian Kelly's fake Michigander accent? That will be an important deciding factor.isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?
I don't get the Brian Kelly rumors. I don't mean this as a knock on the Michigan job in the slightest, but I can't figure out why he would leave LSU for Michigan. He just got here, just finished assembling likely the best staff he's ever had on paper--many of whom would not go with him elsewhere--has a criminally massive contract, building a great recruiting class, and his biggest obstacle just retired.I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.
I'm ambivalent on whether he stays at LSU or not. I'm not convinced he's the guy LSU thinks he is, but purely from his perspective, I don't know why you'd go through the upheaval again.
If Michigan is beating the hell out of us in NIL, like Ohio State, like Ole Miss, like UGA, like Texas.....I guess I could see that.
isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?He coached at Grand Valley State and Central for like 20 years but he's from Massachusetts.
isn't Kelly from Michigan originally?
So of the 4 playoff teams from 2023/4, Sarkisian is the only head coach remaining in the same position. Probably not very insightful, but interesting.saw that the other day.Saban I understand walking away because he is set both financially and his place amongst the Greats.Jimma was a beating the posse out of Dodge while still making coin but his achievements have been dully noted and not in a positive light.Beboer 3 yrs back was in windswept Podunk N.Dakota.He was pulling good coin with the Huskies time will tell,like it or not if he can keep the tide in their accustomed lofty perch.But he was a hero in Seattle
I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.Well he hasn't got down his Cajun/Acadian accent yet so I'm guessing NO. And he has learnt to cook the ditch critters
But I didn't think he'd leave Notre Dame for LSU, so who knows.
to guys who are rotational players or buried on the depth chart....I'd like to have WR I'Marian Stewart, DE Dominic Nichols and DT Roderick Pierce (former UW commit). Not looking for the cream of the crop. These are 2023 and 2024 kids.
Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson, Donovan Edwards, Colston Loveland, Giovanni El-Hadid, Rod Moore, Keon Sabb, Makari Page, Ernest Hausmann, Derrick Moore, and Josaiah Stewart aren't going to Wisconsin if there's a massive portal exodus, and those are the cream of the crop players on that roster.
I don't get them either. I don't think Kelly leaves LSU for Michigan and the chances are less than zero.I kinda understand the LSU move. Notre Dame is what it is, and I think that's "washed up".
But I didn't think he'd leave Notre Dame for LSU, so who knows.
I kinda understand the LSU move. Notre Dame is what it is, and I think that's "washed up".kind of agree with all this.
- They're nowhere near the national draw that they once were. They haven't won it all in 35 years. Without getting into politics, Catholicism/religiosity isn't what it used to be, so I would worry that might impact their national fan base.
- While they can recruit nationally, demographically they're in an area of the country that is shrinking, and have OSU/UM in their backyard who have actually won national titles this century (at least as of 2 weeks ago lol).
- LSU is in a better climate if you want to recruit nationally, and there are more recruits per capita worth getting in the South IMHO.
- While I think they're pompous poseurs, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they think they can still win despite having more stringent admission requirements for football than other helmet schools. They might have the ego they can be the ND of old while handcuffing themselves.
- As crazy as southerners are about their football, are the expectations actually as high at LSU as ND? And in this I think it might be a double-edged sword. I'm not sure expectations WERE as high b/c Saban was around, whereas at ND expectations are always high. Delusional, but high. And now I don't know that he'd leave for UM because Saban's gone, because he doesn't have to compete with him any more. Expectations are high but are actually more attainable.
I don't know why he'd leave for Michigan. It has a lot of the same problems as ND (including, now, heightened expectations), but I don't see many advantages.
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Michigan is a better job than ND and you CAN win titles there. 2 of Michigan's last 4 head coaches have won 1/2 of a National Title and one yet to be determined & multiple B1G championships. That's 50% by my math. And LC was a really good coach, not an elite one imo. Jeem was/is an elite one imo. Problem for Michigan however is that RichRod was a pretty bad coach and Brady Hoke might've actually been a worse one than RichRod.
if Michigan doesn't hire Moore it could be open season on the portal for them. Their top 5 most coveted guys that teams will tamper with to try and get in the portal will be....I did see pointed out that here, the spring semester has already started, so even if kids did transfer, they wouldn't be able to enroll til summer, and they'd miss spring ball.
I did see pointed out that here, the spring semester has already started, so even if kids did transfer, they wouldn't be able to enroll til summer, and they'd miss spring ball.just saw this mentioned on cover 3 podcast. Michigan may have lucked out here on the timing. I'm 99% they'll promote Moore anyways and keep that roster intact.
Might as well stick it out through the spring, see how things go, and then if you still want out, use the post-spring transfer window.
just saw this mentioned on cover 3 podcast. Michigan may have lucked out here on the timing. I'm 99% they'll promote Moore anyways and keep that roster intact.Agreed. He was in my top 5 MSU candidates, but my concerns were (i) having to wait for Michigan's season to be over; and (ii) bringing in an outsider with no head coaching experience. I think promoting from within is one thing. But how many P5 coaches were outside hires with no head coaching experience?
Michigan better hit that portal hard in spring. Need a QB.
2) Donovan Edwards, RB, True Sr. - freak show athlete, was banged up a lot and basically barely used in '23...as ELA has said before the guy is basically Marshall Faulk and Jeem had no idea how to use him properly. Could be a 1,000 yard rusher and 1,000 yard receiver in the right system. Would LOVE to see him in an offense like Oregon or USC's if he does go.If something went screwy with the coaching decisions, what does Edwards' draft potential look like if he's a true senior?
Agreed. He was in my top 5 MSU candidates, but my concerns were (i) having to wait for Michigan's season to be over; and (ii) bringing in an outsider with no head coaching experience. I think promoting from within is one thing. But how many P5 coaches were outside hires with no head coaching experience?(https://i.imgur.com/g8oL6Lr.jpg)
If something went screwy with the coaching decisions, what does Edwards' draft potential look like if he's a true senior?he came back because he had a down junior year coming off an incredibly impressive sophomore year. pretty simple, he wants to be the feature back and get the bulk of the carries to show what he can do, and he just never had that chance with Corum there. he's over 6', 210ish, runs 4.4 and could play WR at a high level if he concentrated on that position full time. simply put Corum sucked up the vast majority of the run game carries and they just flat out don't pass the ball enough to actually utilize receiving skills and motion him out wide or in the slot and play him at WR or run wheel routes with him out of the backfield and actually use him in the pass game- but when they actually have made it a point of emphasis to get him the ball as a receiver- he shines.
I mean, I assume he'd be invited to the combine. And if he's the freak show athlete you say, between that and Michigan's pro day, his stock could likely rocket up despite maybe not being used enough in college based on measurables?
I don't follow the draft much, and frankly don't know much about Edwards. But we all know that for running backs, the earlier you can get into the league, the better, because you want to be as young as possible when you have a shot at getting paid after your rookie deal. What would that decision-making matrix look like for him, declaring for the draft vs transferring and trying to "show out" while hopefully avoiding injury?
(https://i.imgur.com/g8oL6Lr.jpg)the unquestioned king of CFB now with Saban retired, Jeem off to the NFL, and Dabo on the backslide down to reality.
he came back because he had a down junior year coming off an incredibly impressive sophomore year. pretty simple, he wants to be the feature back and get the bulk of the carries to show what he can do, and he just never had that chance with Corum there. he's over 6', 210ish, runs 4.4 and could play WR at a high level if he concentrated on that position full time. simply put Corum sucked up the vast majority of the run game carries and they just flat out don't pass the ball enough to actually utilize receiving skills and motion him out wide or in the slot and play him at WR or run wheel routes with him out of the backfield and actually use him in the pass game- but when they actually have made it a point of emphasis to get him the ball as a receiver- he shines.Thanks... But that doesn't actually answer the question lol...
PFF was talking about him as a potential 1st rd pick after his sophomore year. His JR year he missed spring and a big chunk of fall camp with a knee injury and he was banged up most of the season and barely used til he had a couple big runs vs Penn State and then went all video game in the Natty.
Corum is a fantastic college back, will probably be a day 2 pick and solid pro for 5 years or so. Edwards on the other hand has superstar potential and could be a 1st rd pick and develop into one of the best backs in the entire NFL imo- especially with the way the game is played today and how valuable pass catching RB's are. Think Alvin Kamara 2.0.
the unquestioned king of CFB now with Saban retired, Jeem off to the NFL, and Dabo on the backslide down to reality.Must beat Michigan, probably. Win the NC or get fired? Unlikely.
Ryan Day better beat Michigan and win a natty this year or he's probably fired and then Kirby is going to win his 3rd in 4 years and just take sh*t over and we'll have another goddamn Saban on our hands where one guy just sucks all the oxygen out of the room.
Beat Michigan, probably. Win the NC or get fired? Unlikely.guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
Georgia is coming to Austin this year and I like Texas' chances to win. Nobody's going to be able to do what Alabama did again, not any time soon. It's too easy for teams with means to repair their rosters within moments, not years.
Thanks... But that doesn't actually answer the question lol...there is no benefit really. he's going to test very well and his receiving skills are as good as it gets for a RB. would bet everything he'd also get drafted higher than Corum if he was in this upcoming draft. he's just bigger, faster, more athletic and more talented.
If he decided tomorrow to declare for the draft, what sort of look do you think he'd get?
Including the problem of poor utilization in 2023 and being behind Corum, but assuming that he shows out with great measurables at pro day / combine.
I mean, Kamara was a round 3 pick. Even if he shows out in 2024, what's Edwards' ceiling? Is there a huge benefit over trying to go in this year's draft?
Or, perhaps putting it another way... Once the pro day / combine stuff is done, what are the odds Edwards would be drafted ABOVE Corum?
guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.
I would like to hope that no one would do what Bama did with Nick and dominate everything for 15 years straight, but man if Kirby gets ANOTHER one and has his 3rd in 4 years, that machine will just keep on rolling. I'd honestly like to see UGA miss the playoff this year and see them fall back down to earth a little bit. Call me a hater. I don't care.
But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.Pretty sure with a 12-team CFP, an OSU team that loses to Michigan but is still a CFP favorite isn't firing their coach.
If you specifically hated on Georgia then you might be a hater, but it sounds to me like you just don't want any one team to dominate like Alabama has.I'll go to my Grave believing if Colt McCoy doesn't go down vs St Nick in jan 2010 Mack gets his second Trophy
Except my own team, obviously. I'd find some way to live with that kind of success. :)
Maybe he’d close more deals if he talked dirty to abuse victims?After which MSU famously tried to extend him, oh wait...
guess I worded that wrong, but I am assuming them beating Michigan (finally after like 5 years) likely means they will have probably won the Natty. But I guess that's a stupid assumption seeing as how we're now in a 12 team playoff. the heat is 100% on his ass though- if he doesn't beat Michigan I'd say there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired the Monday following that game.How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.
I would like to hope that no one would do what Bama did with Nick and dominate everything for 15 years straight, but man if Kirby gets ANOTHER one and has his 3rd in 4 years, that machine will just keep on rolling. I'd honestly like to see UGA miss the playoff this year and see them fall back down to earth a little bit. Call me a hater. I don't care.
How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.this is very true. but context matters.
it was Harbaugh that took six seasons to do it.
How soon they forget. Ryan Day beat Michigan decisively in his very first try.Ryan Day inherited an Urban program and Harbaugh inherited a Brady Hoke program. I’m sure theres no difference there.
it was Harbaugh that took six seasons to do it.
After which MSU famously tried to extend him, oh wait...don't kid yourself. MSU only got rid of him because they got caught with their pants down- pun intended- after he got exposed as the truly DOG SHIT football coach he is- and it was an easy out to get rid of him on the cheap and not have to pony up on that INSANELY retarded $100 million guaranteed contract they gave him for winning one game vs Michigan in East Lansing.
Ryan Day inherited an Urban program and Harbaugh inherited a Brady Hoke program. I’m sure theres no difference there.Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failures
don't kid yourself. MSU only got rid of him because they got caught with their pants down- pun intended- after he got exposed as the truly DOG SHIT football coach he is- and it was an easy out to get rid of him on the cheap and not have to pony up on that INSANELY retarded $100 million guaranteed contract they gave him for winning one game vs Michigan in East Lansing.Do all of you ann arbor astro fans(pun intended) faff the facts this badly? Mel beat Booger in '20 and '21 seasons losing in '22 after the Field Brawl and the previous tunnel fight. Thus being 2-1 vs Michigan
Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failures
Will Muschamp claimed inheriting an Urban program was the cause of all his failurescomparing apples to oranges. The Florida program that Muschamp was taking over was an 8-5 sinking ship thin on talent and full of ghetto jailbirds that ran the asylum, which is why Urbz faked his heart attack to get out of dodge. The Ohio State program that 3rd base took over was locked and loaded coming off a 13-1 season and returning a shitload of NFL talent.
Do all of you ann arbor astro fans(pun intended) faff the facts this badly? Mel beat Booger in '20 and '21 seasons losing in '22 after the Field Brawl and the previous tunnel fight. Thus being 2-1 vs MichiganBrother, they gave Tugger that stupid insane contract because of his comeback win at home in '21. And Tugger can thank Kenneth Walker III for going ape-shit in the 2nd half and bringing them back from a 16 point deficit to win the game. Without that one win and without Kenneth Walker III single-handedly putting that entire team on his back in '21 Tugger is what he's always been....a dog shit football coach.
You guys are hilarious. Michigan should be pretty good next year and compete for the Big Ten title with Moore running the program.Agreed. Michigan should be min of 9-3 next year and fighting for a playoff spot so long as they hire Sherrone Moore and don't bleed out in the portal like Bama.
comparing apples to oranges. The Florida program that Muschamp was taking over was an 8-5 sinking ship thin on talent and full of ghetto jailbirds that ran the asylum, which is why Urbz faked his heart attack to get out of dodge. The Ohio State program that 3rd base took over was locked and loaded coming off a 13-1 season and returning a shitload of NFL talent.Wouldn't of gotten very far without Ryan Day pulling Justin Fields
Wouldn't of gotten very far without Ryan Day pulling Justin Fieldsthat's very true as well. Ohio State was loaded in '19, only thing missing was the QB. should've played LSU for the Natty that year, but Day choked it vs Clemson up 16 points.
Stick to facts Tugger was 2-1 straight up vs Booger both were pos.No buts or ifs,One a crank yanker the other slept with recruits and cheatedAnd Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.
And Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.Smashing and booger is still 3-5 vs tOSU with one chicken out and sanctions incoming.And what has M won vs tOSU 5 games since 2001,no buts or ifs about it .And of course ONE NC every 75 yrs so we'll be seeing Halley's comet before that happens again ;D
With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.A lot of folks glossing over that this year... and somehow 2024 brought an even larger pile of cash to an insane level. Harbaugh leaving with a championship trophy raised above his head will certainly get me through a lot of years ahead... but Ryan Day failing to win it all this coming year would really add some laughter and smiles as no one in college football will have more resources nor talent this season. He'll be out of excuses.
Smashing and booger is still 3-5 vs tOSU with one chicken out and sanctions incoming.And what has M won vs tOSU 5 games since 2001,no buts or ifs about it .And of course ONE NC every 75 yrs so we'll be seeing Halley's comet before that happens again ;Dyeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.
A lot of folks glossing over that this year... and somehow 2024 brought an even larger pile of cash to an insane level. Harbaugh leaving with a championship trophy raised above his head will certainly get me through a lot of years ahead... but Ryan Day failing to win it all this coming year would really add some laughter and smiles as no one in college football will have more resources nor talent this season. He'll be out of excuses.Pressure is on Ryan Day like never before. THE GAME is in Columbus and Michigan loses it's HC, QB, and bunch of starters to the NFL + OSU's NIL programs shelled out $13 mil to get a bunch of guys on the team that could've gone to the NFL to return for 1 more year + they poached some big-time pick ups in the portal like Caleb Downs and Quinshon Judkins.
Michigan's challenge will be if they can develop an offense that can generate 20-28 points a game, control the clock and limit turnovers. Offensive line development and finding a big wide receiver target will play into that. The defense should be just fine. Maybe not quite as deep this coming season, but their front end starters will be elite.people expecting the demise of Michigan will probably wind up being greatly disappointed....
Texas, Oregon, and Ohio will all be top 5ish teams. If they can steal one of those, they will be in position for a playoff bid. If not, it means running the table and hoping the B1G gets 4 - 5 invites to the dance. That would have happened this year with a 1 12 team playoff (Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Penn State), albeit the conference wasn't together yet.
And Ryan Day is 0 for his last 3, including an 0-1 record against the future HC. Zero B1G championships. All since he said he was going to "hang 100" on them. With the most exorbitant amount of resources and cash in college football. No buts or ifs, just facts.How quickly you forget that your guys lost 15 of 16 prior to those last three. Granted one of the 15 was subsequently vacated due to NCAA infractions but that really isn't something that helps your side.
yeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.LoL. Dream on. Your program got caught red handed and the NCAA is slow but it will not be swept under the rug.
Michigan has the same amount of Natty's since 1969 as Ohio State does. Two. Congrats on your program being tied with it's All-Time daddy Nubbz. :)You really want to play this game?
yeah, I doubt those sanctions are coming. wish in one hand nubz and shit in the other, see what comes first.And No 1/2 doesn't count Those 'Skers would have waterborded Loyd's wolverines.Also everyone hides felony gun charges on team captains for 2 months until the season's over getting them to the CFB POs for the 1st time.LMAO doubt those sanctions are going to be coming? Because every body fires 3 coaches in one yr after stories break and every HC coach gets suspended twice in a season.And of course everybody asks for immunity clauses from penalties and the desperate program agrees to it,then he bolts anyway knowing the NCAA wasn't going to buy it. Sure - all sounds clean and above board.
Michigan has the same amount of Natty's since 1969 as Ohio State does. Two. Congrats on your program being tied with it's All-Time daddy Nubbz. :)
Seems like the biggest question for Moore will be hiring the coordinators - not sure there is a natural replacement on staff at either spot.agree with that for sure. Steve Clinkscale and Mike Elston are both elite positional coaches but none have real DC experience. Both are nearly 50 which kind of seems up there in age to become first time DC's to me. No spring chickens and definitely not young wunderkid DC's like Mike McDonald or Jesse Minter. Ideally Moore would want to hire someone well versed in that 3-4 Ravens style defense that this roster is built for and has been so successful running the last 3 seasons.
LoL. Dream on. Your program got caught red handed and the NCAA is slow but it will not be swept under the rug. You really want to play this game?TL; DR
Ok, Michigan has 3* straight wins. Since all you Michigan guys are ignoring the fact that two of them will be vacated I'll ignore Ohio State's vacated win in 2010.
Last 20 years (2004-2023):Last 50 years (1974-2023):
- Ohio State 15-4
- Ohio State 26-22-1
Last 75 years (1949-2023):Last 100 years (1924-2023):
- Ohio State 40-31-3
Since you cheaters rejoined the league (after getting booted for cheating) (1918-2023):
- Ohio State 49-46-4
Since Ohio State joined the league (1913-2023):
- Ohio State 52-49-4
- Ohio State 52-49-4
Way to Cherry pick with NC's since 1969, what happened in 1968 that you are trying to avoid?
NC's since 1947:
- Ohio State 7, Michigan 2.5
And No 1/2 doesn't count Those 'Skers would have waterborded Loyd's wolverines.Also everyone hides felony gun charges on team captains for 2 months until the season's over getting them to the CFB POs for the 1st time.LMAO doubt those sanctions are going to be coming? Because every body fires 3 coaches in one yr after stories break and every HC coach gets suspended twice in a season.And of course everybody asks for immunity clauses from penalties and the desperate program agrees to it,then he bolts anyway knowing the NCAA wasn't going to buy it. Sure - all sounds clean and above board.TL; DR
And How did Stalions make $55,000 and buy a 475,000 home in Michigan 2 yrs ago. I'm decent enough in math but factoring land taxes,moving expenses,utilities,insurance,cars and furnishings.etc. i can't seem to make it fit.And this year after all this broke he is sent packing hmm seems odd for a guy who called a TO to instruct the defense vs Ohio St while Minter and Harbaugh looked on. All this comes down at the same time Wolverine Football happens to win it all. It's a miracle I tell you.
Harbaugh's Record
2015-2020:49-22 (69% win) 48% vs the spread
2021-2023: 33-3 (92% win) 72% vs the spread
Yet two time National Champion Georgia or the NFL couldn't stop CJ Stroud but Michigan somehow figured it all out?
https://youtu.be/NsgdZxjPtUk Look at Michigan's sideline - they knew the sign/play immediately. Don't try to tell anyone those knuckle dragging dummies figured that all out on their own.Stalions can be spotted right over CJs shoulder on the side line
TL; DRDoes that include 2020 with steel in his spine Head Wound Harbaugh chickened out? Before beating ass out of town in front of the posse
:)
They should be solid next season.I think so as well. Edwards returning is a big deal for their offense as well. He's an explosive playmaker. Excited to see him get more volume and work as THE GUY at RB now that Corum is gone. So long as Moore is promoted to HC they shouldn't bleed out in the portal like Bama, and Moore will rebuild a solid OL. He's a former OL and one of the best OL coaches there is in the sport. Replacing the QB is going to be a big question obviously. They don't need a star at QB. They just need someone not to fk it up and turn it over a lot. And it would be a plus if that someone was Orji who had the juice to make a big run or two a game with his legs.
Great O-line coach(Moore) and a wicked good defense.
Moore will recruit at a high level imo. Even higher than Jeem.Yeah, he seems like a genuinely good guy. Plus, he’s already proven he can coach and recruit.
He's young and energetic, and as a former CFB player himself he will connect well with recruits and their families. There's also usually a new coach bump that just typically comes with hiring new head coach. Also; being the first black head coach at Michigan should have some sway with some recruits and their families. He seems like a genuine dude that players love playing for. There are no rumors of him leaving for the NFL and NFL flirtations every single off-season. Oh and he's not a CTE/autistic complete weirdo like Jeem.
Yeah, he seems like a genuinely good guy. Plus, he’s already proven he can coach and recruit.Yeah I think it was the only choice really and if it doesn’t work out then you can go try and hire someone else and do a rebuild.
I liked the choice. All rivalry hype aside I think he’ll do well.
Is Minter for sure going with Jeem? Haven't seen/heard that reported yetUnclear if he's going with Jim, but seems like he's certainly going to the NFL
Lots of chatter about Jim Leonhard going to Michigan.I would.
I would not like that at all.
Rebuilding the OL will be primary concern #1. Sherrone Moore is the best OL coach in the game. So long as he is there, they'll always have above average OL's imo. They have had guys waiting in the wings like Giovanni El-Hadi and Andrew Gentry that would've already been starters if the OL wasn't so veteran, deep, and established already and the kid they brought in from the portal from Northwestern will factor into the mix as well at one of the guard spots.Bullshit Jeem portaled perfectly the last 2-3 seasons at that position, we'll see if Moore was borne on 3rd base. Moore maybe coached them up alittle I'd still take Warriner if he'd come back as an OL coach
The fake machismo after the Notre Dame game directed at a 90 year old senial nursing home patient was where I realized Day was broken. If Freeman didn’t blow it with 10 players on D, the bucks lose that game too. Attacking Lou showed that the critics had gotten under Day’s skin. He doesn’t have the nails Urbz & Tress had. Love them or hate them, they were tough and their teams were tough. And they would have had zero awareness or acknowledgment of something obscure Lou Holtz rambled about in a radio interview from his nursing home.Did you play with nail guns growing up? Fake Machoism is that what so called student athletes who get in 3 tunnel fights and a field Brawl in games M "hosted" are? While knowling hiding a gun toting team captain for 2 months until the season's over.That Machoism? Then have 3 coaches fired the next yr and the HC getting suspended twice and later asking for immunity from the governing body if program is found in violation of NCAA infractions. Yes real clean program - a big nothing burger,even a lampshade like you doesn't believe that.Booger still left with a 3-5 record vs tOSU and one chicken out - the envy of CFB
Day couldn’t pull it off with Stroud, Olave, Wilson, JSN and Marv. We’ll see if a Dodgers level payroll jump will do the trick.
JL runs a 3-4 and 2-4-5.Michigan has run 3-4 the last 3 years….the defensive roster has been specifically constructed for it.
Does Michigan have the personnel for that style?
Michigan has run 3-4 the last 3 years….the defensive roster has been specifically constructed for it.Interesting. I looked at a depth chart and saw 4 DL and 3 LB.
Michigan S&C coach Ben Herbert headed to LA with Harbaugh. That one hurts.Much bigger loss than Minter. You can replace a DC in college. An elite S&C guy in college is damn near irreplaceable.
Michigan S&C coach Ben Herbert headed to LA with Harbaugh. That one hurts.Yeah, that one stings.
Yeah, that one stings.I’ll put it more bluntly for you in plain English so maybe you can understand better…FK JEEM in his arse for this one.
Although weird for those bashing Harbaugh here. I guess it's a crime to surround yourself with the best talent possible. Apparently only terrible people do that.
In college they are the most important coach on the roster, because they are taking 17-18 year old kids and reshaping their bodies into men.they also spend the entire offseason with the kids (when the coaching staff isn't allowed)- huge part of the culture of the program
they also spend the entire offseason with the kids (when the coaching staff isn't allowed)- huge part of the culture of the programNo doubt. Bc of dumbass NCAA rules the actual coaches don’t spend very much time you know, actually teaching football. S&C guy spends more time with them then actual coaches.
I’ll put it more bluntly for you in plain English so maybe you can understand better…FK JEEM in his arse for this one.Maybe Jim is loyal. Maybe he knows the impact Herbert had on culture and Herbert's dream is to bring his talent level to the NFL and help change the culture in a locker room. You don't know jack squat behind the reasoning and this move makes Harbaugh an a-hole? Your takes are seriously clown worthy.
Herbert is a literally next to meaningless hire for an NFL team. To a college team? Well he’s absolutely vital.
Jeem gains very little if next to nothing by bringing Herbert with him to the NFL. Michigan meanwhile takes a massive blow to the program with his loss.
Jeem could’ve hired Richard Simmons to be his S&C guy in the NFL and it wouldn’t have mattered. He could’ve hired literally anyone. That position just does not matter in the NFL.
Jeem could’ve hired Richard Simmons to be his S&C guy in the NFL and it wouldn’t have mattered. He could’ve hired literally anyone. That position just does not matter in the NFL.Now that'd be funny to watch the way he talks/moves/dresses leading exercising to guys in another life prolly rode with Attila or Ghengis. I agree though the S&C guy leaving could hurt.There has to be someone decent out there. I could lift shots and beers screaming insperation while the team is pulling Volkswagons and lifting half a telephone pole
What's up with Mike Hart?Mike interviewed with Indiana a while back for the head coach opening. Nothing for certain other than that.
What's up with Mike Hart?nothing yet. there have been rumors that Sherrone Moore isn't going to hire him as OC, which likely means Mike Hart is leaving. Hart has his eyes set on moving up in the coaching ranks. He wants to be a HC some day. He isn't going to do that if he's getting passed over for the OC title at Michigan and remaining a RB's coach.
Mike Hart bleeds blue. Moore should keep him and make him OC and let him help with running backs.Hart is good where he's at. If he doesn't like being the RB's coach, he can leave.
If he fails, he fails. He'll get another RB coach job in a HARTbeat.
Hart is good where he's at. If he doesn't like being the RB's coach, he can leave.If what you have presented is accurate then I concur.Could be a big mistake moving to OC, Ed Warriner for instance. Went from ND-tOSU-Goophs- Mich. fabulous O-Line Coach best that I can recall got a lot of kids into the league while in C-Bus. And slapped together that '14 line that blocked for Zeke,many along the way were converted from other positions. But the move up just didn't pan out so if I'm Moore follow your gut. Bad move to cave into every popular pick or friend
Mike Hart bleeds blue. Moore should keep him and make him OC and let him help with running backs.They absolutely cannot make him OC. I mean, I hope they do, but that's not his jam. I honestly think he'd be a better HC than OC. So his move might be to drop down and see if he can get an FCS head coaching job. Take a pay cut, but prove you can handle that, then come back to a MAC head coaching job
If he fails, he fails. He'll get another RB coach job in a HARTbeat.
They absolutely cannot make him OC. I mean, I hope they do, but that's not his jam. I honestly think he'd be a better HC than OC. So his move might be to drop down and see if he can get an FCS head coaching job. Take a pay cut, but prove you can handle that, then come back to a MAC head coaching jobAgreed.
Agreed.I don't know. I think it's ok if you have a track record of success as a head coach. I've talked to him. He's uncomfortable in social situations. But he's not awkward, he's just shy. I think if you have a brand to sell, you can get by with shy. But at this point, if you are a high major OC, you have to be a play caller or a recruiter. He's currently neither.
Although I doubt how well he’d do as an HC of a major program. He hates recruiting and he’s not good at it. That’s kind of important for a college head coach- being able to recruit.
I think he’s a hell of a RB coach. And that’s probably his ceiling until he embraces recruiting and becomes at least above average at it. He’s terrible at it as is.
But at this point, if you are a high major OC, you have to be a play caller or a recruiter. He's currently neither.What am I missing here? Why are multiple people saying he's not a good play caller? Where has he ever been a play caller?
Nobody is saying he's a bad playcaller, just that he's never done it. And he's a proven bad recruiter. You can let a good recruiter learn on the fly, but if you learn Hart is neither, that sets Michigan backexactly this. he's never done it before PLUS he's a poor recruiter. which means there's no reason to hire him. now if he was like just an unreal whale of a kick ass ace recruiter like say OSU's Brian Hartline- then by all means- let him give it a go and try to learn on the job. but....he's not. he sucks at recruiting. there is literally no reason to hire him and no way in hell Sherrone Moore can make that move if he wants to be set up for success.
and now he has an off-season to spend some of ityup. being a college coach SUCKS hard right now. non-stop year round recruiting of snot nosed high school kids and now you have to deal with NIL/Portal bullshit and do appearances and help NIL collectives fund-raise and re-recruit kids on your roster to keep them happy and not hitting the portal- and then have to recruit in the portal to find kids that can plug holes here and there. not to mention you have the NCAA breathing down your neck over cheeseburgers and other stupid random bullshit. direction this is all going with realignment/NIL/portal is a large part why Saban said PEACE out and decided to retire rather than keep going at it.
yup. being a college coach SUCKS hard right now. non-stop year round recruiting of snot nosed high school kids and now you have to deal with NIL/Portal bullshit and do appearances and help NIL collectives fund-raise and re-recruit kidsWell at least Jeem could have raffled off his booger caked ballcap to help raise NIL Funds in Ann Arbor
Well at least Jeem could have raffled off his booger caked ballcap to help raise NIL Funds in Ann Arborhe's no longer a university employee. as far as I know he can donate to Michigan NIL collectives all he wants. would be pretty baller if he decided to donate a cool $1 mil. believe that CJ Stroud just donated $1 mil to an OSU NIL collective.
sounds like Jeem is poaching DL coach Mike Elston and bringing him to the Chargers. That's a blow.Ya, bad break, though many of the asst.coaches want to get away from CFB and the carnival it's become.Money is still good there but why deal with negotiating continuously with basically kids. They have one foot seemingly out the door - all off season long - like a harbor town whore looking for another sailor. When in the LEAGUE the Front Office procures the talent and deals with the $$$$ ass ache
He's officially on my sh*t list.When has this not been the case?
Moore apparently zeroing on Wink Martindale to be his DC. Longtime Ravens assistant and DC who McDonald & Minter worked for and took that defensive system from.Schefter makes it seem like nearly a done deal
Makes sense to get someone who runs that scheme. However Martindale is old and has basically been an NFL coach his entire career…who knows if he’ll be able to recruit at all…and at that age if he even wants to.
Schefter makes it seem like nearly a done dealwell he’s about as plugged into NFL circles as it gets and he’s a Michigan guy- so if he’s saying it, probably has some legs to it.
Sounds like they are talking with Greg Scruggs - Wisconsin DL coach.That’d be a nice hire. Young energetic guy with lot of upside as a coach.
That would not make me happy.
DBs coach Steve Clinkscale has turned Jeem down and will be staying at Michigan. That’s huge news for Sherrone Moore and the program. Clinkscale is a solid recruiter and an elite DBs coach.https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20
Suck it Jeem!
https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20he just told the entire team he wasn't going anywhere two days ago. LOL.
https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1756362643315786209😂😂😂
https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1756362643315786209now that's funny...lmao
https://twitter.com/RealTonyGarcia/status/1756332442204385752?s=20(https://www.gstatic.com/tenor/img/tenor-logo.svg) (https://tenor.com/view/dude-what-kind-of-sick-joke-is-that-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s2e12-gif-21551262)
Well, it's done and now I can officially go back to hating Michigan again.coaching staffs get raided....it's what happens. Ohio State took Al Washington and Greg Mattison from Michigan. Jeem just took Michigan's entire defensive staff with him to the Chargers. Sh*t happens.
Michigan reportedly finds new defensive line coach within the Big Ten - Footballscoop (https://footballscoop.com/news/michigan-reportedly-finds-new-defensive-line-coach-within-the-big-ten)
They also reported they had hired the Houston safeties coach as their DB coach, and it turned out he said no. Clinkscale was returning, except he wouldn't.yeah they have a lot of egg on the face right now. Clinkscale did tell the entire team he was returning. And then two days later he took a job offer from Jeem. So, yeah.
I wouldn't believe anything the Michigan Rivals/247/On3 slappy media reports at this point.
I'm thinking it'll be Tuttle as #1 and maybe Orji and Warren as #2/3. Orji needs to improves his passing game, Davis is a true freshman, and Denegal hasn't shown anything yet. And Michigan might still find a QB in the portal.Warren is a walk-on, he isn't going to be in the top 3, and Tuttle is not talented enough to be a starting QB anywhere let alone Michigan. Michigan is like 6-6 or 7-5 and has MAJOR problems if either one of them are starting.
Good luck to Sabb. Michigan will be fine at safety.
Michigan DL coach Scruggs can recruit.This we know. Now is the time to see if he can develop. He's got a ton more to work with in Ann Arbor than he did in Madison.
https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom (https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/27/24080867/michigan-football-recruiting-roundup-greg-scruggs-nathaniel-matshall-jaylen-williams-xavier-newsom)
This we know. Now is the time to see if he can develop. He's got a ton more to work with in Ann Arbor than he did in Madison.yeah, Elston’s recruiting was never crazy but the development of those DTs and EDGE players under him was elite.
Presumably that even though his stats aren't gaudy, he's going to sell himself to teams as a winnerthat's exactly what he's trying to sell. that he is a winner, and that's all he cares about...winning...not stats. in his defense he did go 27-1 as a starter and was a major contributor for 3 straight CFP teams, starter for 2, and won a natty.
REPORT: Mike Hart Is Done At Michigan (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-mike-hart-is-done-at-michigan/ar-BB1jzZoJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7af892549e66431a81a13a7d10953493&ei=14)this was hinted at by "insiders" like a month ago. Hart wants to be an OC and eventually a head coach. He got passed over at Michigan for OC and wasn't under consideration to be the head coach- it was only ever going to be Sherrone Moore and that's it.
Good recruiter?I’d say he’s a very good recruiter. And it looks like it’s official now.
Running back definitely where Michigan needs to catch up with OSUhere i was this whole time thinking it was WR where Michigan needs to catch up with OSU
Makes sense. Good coach and good pick up for UM.yeah, with Kelly coming in there was always bound to be a little shake up, and I feel like Hartline is probably the only untouchable on that offensive staff. Hartline's recruiting and track record is irreplaceable.
His was the only contract not extended so not super surprising with Kelly in town and his fingerprints all over the run scheme.
Good recruiter?think he's viewed as pretty good. nothing like hartline a'course.
yeah, with Kelly coming in there was always bound to be a little shake up, and I feel like Hartline is probably the only untouchable on that offensive staff. Hartline's recruiting and track record is irreplaceable.Does anyone think Hartline is a little pissy about not getting a shot as OC?
think he's viewed as pretty good. nothing like hartline a'course.Accurate
Does anyone think Hartline is a little pissy about not getting a shot as OC?That is a really great- and often asked question.
I'd take him in Madison in a heartbeat.we have no idea yet if Hartline can be an effective OC or play caller. I SUSPECT he would be pretty good at it, seeing as how he's a former NFL player who made it far on his knowledge of the game and not being 6'4, 210 pounds, running a 4.25 and having a 45" vertical like a Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. Feel like the former players who are athletic freaks and just flat out better than everyone don't translate that well to coaching but the guys who really had to hone the craft are the ones that can really coach.
And there is a Fickell connection too.
:)
This is now Scruggs' third DUI. Not good.I knew a guy like that - he was our designated driver
Ouch! So absolute minimum would be a $500 fine, 30 days or fifteen 48 hr. weekends in the Washtenaw County slammer, and 60 days picking up trash. Welcome to Michigan.30 days in the hole - great tune by Humble Pie
no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...Exactly.
no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...Or hitch hike - with their coin today guys could call a limo
no excuse to drive drunk these days with Uber and Lyft apps. come on man. you've been making 6 figures coaching for several years now. you can afford a $40 or $50 dollar uber ride...
Former Texas baseball coaching legend Augie Garrido was a notorious boozer, he really loved his wine. He got busted for DUI one time, and after that the University simply provided him a personal car and driver at his disposal, at all times. It was never an issue again.WVU gave Huggy Bear a free suite in the University hotel with access to the bar at all hours, even when closed. Plus a car, driver, and private plane. He could throw away every set of keys he owned. I actually know a former pilot who flew him on a recruiting trip to Cincinnati. All he asked for was a fifth of vodka for each direction of the flight. That's MAYBE a 45 minute flight. He finished both.
This was before Uber and Lyft, but hired cars are still a thing even today, and all things considered are much cheaper than the alternatives.
WVU gave Huggy Bear a free suite in the University hotel with access to the bar at all hours, even when closed. Plus a car, driver, and private plane. He could throw away every set of keys he owned. I actually know a former pilot who flew him on a recruiting trip to Cincinnati. All he asked for was a fifth of vodka for each direction of the flight. That's MAYBE a 45 minute flight. He finished both.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A
And yet he got fired after crashing a car drunk in Pittsburgh last year, after driving drunk in the wrong direction, for about 45 miles, getting lost in Pittsburgh, during a Taylor Swift concert, so downtown was packed. Some people, you just can't reason with
Michigan safety Rod Moore apparently tore his ACL in practice. F#%K!That one stings. A moment to soak in everything that was this past season because it's a rarity to experience it and a rarity it will happen again any time soon.
Kid is one of the best returning safeties in all of college football and is a stud, would've probably been a 2nd or 3rd pick had he come out in this draft. Hindsight is 20/20, but he probably should've left and went pro and got into his NFL contract money making years now.
Keon Sabb hitting the portal because he wanted a starting job freaking hurts like hell right now. God damnit. Losing Moore for the year to an ACL would've been softened by having Keon Sabb ready to plug and play and start at a high level. Not having both of these guys in 2024 is downright disastrous.
That’s how NIL should be used. NIL should be used for proven players on the team or going after proven guys in the portal.Yeah, but if you don't do it, and your rivals do, guess how many top HS kids are going to be coming to your school? :57:
Inducement for recruiting HS kids who haven’t proven anything just seems like a bad idea all around.
That’s how NIL should be used. NIL should be used for proven players on the team or going after proven guys in the portal.You act like Texas A&M didn't just play in the Texas Bowl last year
Inducement for recruiting HS kids who haven’t proven anything just seems like a bad idea all around.
Also, some reports were that UM's NIL payroll over over $8 million last year, mostly to retain existing talent.Seems to me that CFB has to take the same idea to what they do as the NFL.
This has to be the move for helmet schools. Get them in the door with the status, THEN pay them once they earn it.
Harbaugh did a good job identifying talent, so it remains to be seen how much they have to dedicate to the portal. They didn't overly rely on it. That center from Virginia is the one major outlier. Obviously non-helmet schools have to pay guys to get them, then pay them more to retain them. That's where putting the one year sit out rule back in would help reel some of this back in
Seems to me that CFB has to take the same idea to what they do as the NFL.Close, but MLB, where the resources aren't equal
- CFB programs need to get cheaper HS talent the same way NFL teams have to maximize their draft. This is the pipeline.
- CFB programs need to manage NIL/transfers the same way NFL teams have to manage free agency. Players looking to move are going to be expensive.
Keeping a recruited player who pans out happy is probably cheaper than attracting a proven transfer. So you can't just skip out on HS recruiting.
You act like Texas A&M didn't just play in the Texas Bowl last year:D
Michigan's Spring game will televised on Fox at noon this Saturday.They put on a pretty big production for the OSU game, and I imagine this will be similar.
Go Blue!
Michigan's Spring game will televised on Fox at noon this Saturday.80,012 attendance for the OSU Spring Game, it was a blast for me to take my family to. Hope TTUN posters here can enjoy their spring sping game up there.
Go Blue!
I am interested to see the ratings on these. I thought it was crazy when BTN started airing them, but now FOX? It's a fun event to attend, particularly with the weather we had this past weekend. But to watch on tv? Particularly not your own team?I dunno if I will watch the Michigan spring game, but I'm more interested in it than the USFL
NCAA announces approved agreement with Michigan over NCAA recruiting violations (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/ncaa-announces-approved-agreement-with-michigan-over-ncaa-recruiting-violations-230517272/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR1Q-EKV0iCK_no133zKSnJa_BrG4vmvuBNdN8zFwDJKBzZp_3arKu-leSk)seems like a slap on the wrist, now we'll just have to wait another 4 years to found out what they do about Connor Stallions.
So did the rest of the planet.cincy would sign off
Eastern Michigan better look out.
Can't believe Donovan Edwards didn't declare for the Draft. Reminds me of Cardale Jones after a great 3 game run and the NC. But he came back as a Senior - kudos but that's passing up some coin but he did get his diploma after declaring he didn't come to play schoolhe didn't have the kind of season he wanted in 2023 despite having a nice run in the playoffs. I think he was planning on being "the guy" in 2023 and when Corum came back and sucked up the majority of the carries that changed his mind and he decided he wanted another year and a turn at being "the guy".
well not sure M's O-line will resmble the last 2-3 seasons. He might pad some stats vs the unfortunate's but the thrill may be goneI think the OL will be just fine. Sherrone Moore and Grant Newsome are former OL’s themselves, Michigan has recruited well at the position and they’ve proven they can develop players up front.
He should get plenty of carries but booger portaled immediately to fill needs on the oline - nicely too.Not sure were M's line is or who will have a stoudt defense after tOSU's to keep D.E. from getting yards. Find out how NFL ready he is,still would have rode that NC to a paycheck there's always achance of injury also and RBs have a short shelf lifeDon’t get me wrong I think he should’ve went pro. RBs have a short shelf life. And as down of a regular season as Edwards had he still would’ve tested very well, has enough explosive plays on tape and is such a gifted athlete in space and a plus receiver for the RB position that he’d still probably have been the first RB taken in this draft.
I think the OL will be just fine. Sherrone Moore and Grant Newsome are former OL’s themselves, Michigan has recruited well at the position and they’ve proven they can develop players up front.I agree. There will be some drop off but Michigan's OL will be good and deep enough. Mostly concerned about the QB on offense. The defense, OL and a running back like Edwards will be a great help for the QB whoever he is.
Giovanni El-Hadid and Andrew Gentry would’ve already started at a lot of other places if not for the depth & talent Michigan had, and Josh Priebe was a nice portal addition. I’m really not that concerned about the OL. The WR position and QB are the biggest concerns on offense. Roman Wilson was so underrated and a dude and JJ for all his faults was supremely talented and a natural born leader and winner.
He 100% should’ve went pro. Rod Moore too. Moore just tore his ACL. Would’ve been a 2nd rd pick probably, now he’ll miss his entire SR year and have to try to come back from an ACL surgery.Good luck to the kid this is why I'm against extended playoffs just to line Network wonks and University Admn's already deep pockets
Amorion Walker has transferred back from Ole Miss. Michigan had been using him as a CB until he transferred out this winter but he could play WR if need be. Michigan also picked up another CB in the portal, CJ Charleston from Youngstown State.thought CJ Charleston was a WR?
thought CJ Charleston was a WR?Guessing he told the coaches where he's playing, or he would have gone somewhere else
Amorion Walker should go to WR. Need there is much bigger imo.
Guessing he told the coaches where he's playing, or he would have gone somewhere elsehe burned his redshirt and has went back and forth like a yo-yo on positions and just did so with schools going from Michigan to Ole Miss to back to Michigan. Which was a bit like his recruitment- as he was a longtime ND commit then flipped to Michigan at the last possible second.
Donovan Edwards revealed as one of the 3 cover athletes of EA Sports NCAA 25 college football video game. Pretty cool for him. I believe the other two are Quinn Ewers of Texas and Travis Hunter of Colorado.Edwards deserves it. Beast.
Also, sounds like Denard Robinson no longer employed by Michigan. Think he got popped for a DUI/DWI....not good.
Edwards deserves it. Beast.I think he's a hell of a talent and has shown that with huge moments in big games, but tough for me to say he deserved it considering he's never been the starter at RB and he honestly had a down season compared to his soph year where he went nuts replacing Corum at the tail end of that season. I think having Michigan brand behind him obviously helped.
didn't know where to put this so figured I'll put it here...Michigan CB Will Johnson is apparently the highest rated player in the upcoming NCAA 25 football video game with a 96.Beast.
So if he's the highest rated guy in the entire game, why wasn't he on the cover?
So if he's the highest rated guy in the entire game, why wasn't he on the cover?Pending allegations I'm sure the upwardly mobile types at NCAA 25 football video game don't want to risk the taint.j/k - so far
So if he's the highest rated guy in the entire game, why wasn't he on the cover?Because he's a cornerback.
Pending allegations I'm sure the upwardly mobile types at NCAA 25 football video game don't want to risk the taint.j/k - so farMichigan RB Donovan Edwards is on the cover of the game, so there goes that theory.
Well Michigan did the right thing and fired 3 coaches(Stallions being one) and Jeem bolted when they wouldn't guarantee him from prosecution. Ya leaders and the best. Fook even Hurragansta's are shaking their heads at this. Gonna have to reinstate all of SMU recordsKansas and Arizona cheated their asses off in basketball and got a slap on the wrist because CBS didnt pay billions of dollars to not have them in the tournament. Same with ESPN/Michigan. Theyll be fine
They aren’t getting out of this with just fines and small coaching suspensions.
NCAA just outlined what the coaches did and what they considered them to be in terms of the levels.
Harvard of the West, Auburn of the North. Same differenceI am so stealing this
Someone at the NCAA is breaking their own rules and leaking to Pete Thamel again. Not too concerned about it, as Thamel spins it.Game recognizes game
ESPN's Lil Petey Thamel who is obviously the mouth piece/buttplug for the NCAA who keeps leaking all this sh*t says....nothing serious likely comes from this. Sherrone Moore may get a suspension and Michigan will have to pay a huge fine.Did the NCAA declare they've concluded their investigation into improprieties of the program or just Porntoy getting a stiffy? Jeem denying any wrong doing "Never lie. Never cheat. Never steal. I was raised with that lesson," Harbaugh told reporters ,ya sure must be amnesia after hiding a felony gun charge for the team captian 2 yrs ago for 2 full months until after playing MSU/PSU/OSU ya just coincidence. Jim's a straight as they come They impacted the integrity of what was going on between the lines,3 coaches get axed JH suspended twice no one respects the title
No post-season ban, no vacated wins. Sorry Buckeyes.
no one respects the titleThat’s an odd take. So microscope on the program. They then bury PSU, OSU, Iowa and then beat Bama and Washington, much of it without the head coach and no one respects that?
Nothing says innocence and integrity like refusing to cooperate with an investigation. Hell Tressel overlooked the trading tats for trophies,rings and other swag and OSU cans him.anyone who cooperates with the NCAA is a full blown f*cktard retard moron. pretty simple...if the NCAA comes a'callin' simply put just tell them to f*ck right off because: they can't do jackshit. they have no subpoena power and you will likely crush them in court 99% of the time. they get their asses f*cking handed to them in nearly every god damn court case.
anyone who cooperates with the NCAA is a full blown f*cktard retard moron. pretty simple...if the NCAA comes a'callin' simply put just tell them to f*ck right off because: they can't do jackshit. they have no subpoena power and you will likely crush them in court 99% of the time. they get their asses f*cking handed to them in nearly every god damn court case.I'd just add the FBI investigation wouldn't have impacted Tress at all, but the guy's attorney decided to email Tress what his client told him. He has since been disbarred.
much like the Fab Five scandal, the only reason Tressel got caught and then canned is because of completely unrelated federal criminal investigations. Ed Martin got popped by the FBI for money laundering and running an illegal gambling ring and the Tattoo guy at OSU got popped by the DEA and FBI for money laundering and drug trafficking. If those two morons never get popped by the Feds, there is no Fab Five scandal or TattooGate scandal.
Nothing says innocence and integrity like refusing to cooperate with an investigation.There was once a time i would have agreed with this, but we live in a different world nowadays. We live in a time and system that let's criminals run wild, while putting microscopes on others that would have once been considered honorable when it's for the gain of others. Where that puts Harbaugh, i'm not sure, but refusal to cooperate with people that have an agenda against you is not wise, no matter what side of the integrity line you fall on.
anyone who cooperates with the NCAA is a full blown f*cktard retard moron. pretty simple.Just Be grateful it wasn't a court of law with Sam and ELA as prosecutors
Just Be grateful it wasn't a court of law with Sam and ELA as prosecutorsMy Cousin Vinny 2
Well the Spartan in you would bring out an F.Lee Bailey like grilling of the witnesseshttps://youtu.be/pF3YNPG4Cis?si=qwXXttOeP0UGZ2Ft
Completely meaningless at this point. He ain't going back to the NCAA.Didn't the NFL enforce the NCAA penalties against Tressel/Pryor, after people were upset when Pete Carroll got out of USC ahead of the posse?
Harbaugh suspended for 1 season, plus a 4 year show cause4 year show cause for some recruiting violations is insane.
Didn't the NFL enforce the NCAA penalties against Tressel/Pryor, after people were upset when Pete Carroll got out of USC ahead of the posse?the NFL isn't going to suspend Jeem. that's lunacy.
Completely meaningless at this point. He ain't going back to the NCAA.yup. the small dicked pencil pushers at the NCAA just on a power trip trying to flex the muscles they don't have. all completely meaningless. Jeem is going to be at the Chargers for at least the next 5 years. And probably longer because: Justin Herbert. He's finally got himself a real-life QB in the NFL. He took the 49ers to 3 straight NFC titles with freaking Alex Smith and Colin Kapernick. Those guys were both average. Justin Herbert has all the tools to be an elite QB. Chargers bout to win lotta ball games these next 4-5 years.
yup. the small dicked pencil pushers at the NCAA just on a power trip trying to flex the muscles they don't have. all completely meaningless.Definitely the same take Michigan fans had when Tressel and Pryor ducked out to avoid NCAA penalties for their cheating
Definitely the same take Michigan fans had when Tressel and Pryor ducked out to avoid NCAA penalties for their cheatingbarking up the wrong tree with me. I've always felt players should've been paid and handsomely- especially star ones like Pryor.
Not talking about you specifically. Just talking about the high and mighty Michigan fans in 2012, who were like "well at least we lose clean...Leaders and Best." Michigan's CWS was proven to be due to a coach paying players; their glory years of basketball, vacated; their NCAA football title, clearly due to cheating.Where did OSU break the rules and benefit? I am missing that one.
I also agree players should be paid. I think any restrictions on NIL are dumb.
The rules are stupid. But while most teams follow them, over and over, its been proven (USC, OSU, Auburn, Michigan) that those that don't benefit. Michigan has proven it over and over that it's worth it to cheat, raise the banner, and then let the teams the follow suffer the consequences
Not talking about you specifically. Just talking about the high and mighty Michigan fans in 2012, who were like "well at least we lose clean...Leaders and Best." Michigan's CWS was proven to be due to a coach paying players; their glory years of basketball, vacated; their NCAA football title, clearly due to cheating.I was certainly one stating at least Michigan was clean because I had personal connections to someone/company owner that was paying osu players both under the table and on his company’s books, so I had a strong opinion on the fact it was more than just tattoos and I thought their run was dirty. To your point, Michigan’s basketball run probably had minimum as much as the tressel connections if not much more with the Fab Five.
He'd better hope it goes well, or he'll be coaching the Edmonton Eskimos.doubtful. Jeem will get at the very least 3 years of his 5 year deal with the Chargers. That's like a worst case disaster scenario- everything goes wrong from A to Z. And the reality is- hate him or love him- let's be real here...dude is going to win in LA. He's a hell of a coach and he's already got the toughest part of the NFL gig taken care of because he lucked out that Justin Herbert is already there. NFL is ALL about the QB....and he's got one. A damn good, young, super talented one. Look at his track record....it's impeccable. Coaches small ball completely turns around USD to back to back 11-1 seasons, jumps to FBS and takes over the worst program in the entire sport and turns freaking Stanford into a 12-1 team. Goes to the NFL and overnight turns a 6-10 team that hadn't been to the playoffs in a decade into a winner that goes to 3 straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl. Goes to Michigan and takes over a 5 win program that had been in the wilderness for nearly a decade and overnight turns them into a 10 win team and winds up eventually winning a Natty.
Not talking about you specifically. Just talking about the high and mighty Michigan fans in 2012, who were like "well at least we lose clean...Leaders and Best." Michigan's CWS was proven to be due to a coach paying players; their glory years of basketball, vacated; their NCAA football title, clearly due to cheating.You counsel get a Yuengling
He'd better hope it goes well, or he'll be coaching the Edmonton Eskimos.That's funny - is there really such a squad? (w/o looking IDK)
That's funny - is there really such a squad? (w/o looking IDK)Warren freakin Moon
I was certainly one stating at least Michigan was clean because I had personal connections to someone/company owner that was paying osu players both under the table and on his company’s books, so I had a strong opinion on the fact it was more than just tattoos and I thought their run was dirty. To your point, Michigan’s basketball run probably had minimum as much as the tressel connections if not much more with the Fab Five.Yes because for 3 years that program built up it's roster with confidence and advantages that previously it didn't enjoy until the spy network was employed. It's hilarious that NFL defenses couldn't shut down CJ Stroud who set all sorts of rookie records. Ah but due to the polished professionalism of head wound Harbaugh when he wasn't sleeping with recruits - somehow figured it all out. With help from the UofM staff, 3 of whom got fired and a certain HC suspended twice before bolting . It's a miracle I tell you - CJ was only the 5th rookie in NFL history to throw for over 4000 yds. But yes How dare those outside of Ann Arbor not acknowledge not only the credibility of it all but it's sheer brilliance
That being said, it’s becoming hilarious how many keep telling themselves they only won a title last year because of cheating. If that’s true, then every reporter, including every bitter fan that was digging and digging the second half of the year to find any bit of cheating to close the year, yet found nothing must be the largest group of incompetent vigilantes ever. Or Michigan was simply the best team on the field and their championship was earned despite all the noise.
Yes because for 3 years that program built up it's roster with confidence and advantages that previously it didn't enjoy until the spy network was employed. It's hilarious that NFL defenses couldn't shut down CJ Stroud who set all sorts of rookie records. Ah but due to the polished professionalism of head wound Harbaugh when he wasn't sleeping with recruits - somehow figured it all out. With help from the UofM staff, 3 of whom got fired and a certain HC suspended twice before bolting . It's a miracle I tell you - CJ was only the 5th rookie in NFL history to throw for over 4000 yds. But yes How dare those outside of Ann Arbor not acknowledge not only the credibility of it all but it's sheer brillianceLol.
Harbaugh wouldn't lie - pure as the driven snow, even though it somehow slipped his mind to report the team captain toting fire arms until after the season. Who also bolted to the League and avoided any repercussions that came with it - after the season - almost seems like a trend
OK now i'm getting ready for the season
doubtful. Jeem will get at the very least 3 years of his 5 year deal with the Chargers. That's like a worst case disaster scenario- everything goes wrong from A to Z. And the reality is- hate him or love him- let's be real here...dude is going to win in LA. He's a hell of a coach and he's already got the toughest part of the NFL gig taken care of because he lucked out that Justin Herbert is already there. NFL is ALL about the QB....and he's got one. A damn good, young, super talented one. Look at his track record....it's impeccable. Coaches small ball completely turns around USD to back to back 11-1 seasons, jumps to FBS and takes over the worst program in the entire sport and turns freaking Stanford into a 12-1 team. Goes to the NFL and overnight turns a 6-10 team that hadn't been to the playoffs in a decade into a winner that goes to 3 straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl. Goes to Michigan and takes over a 5 win program that had been in the wilderness for nearly a decade and overnight turns them into a 10 win team and winds up eventually winning a Natty.He only got 4 years with SF, and he took them to three straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.
Even if it doesn't work out by some fluke- Jeem can just sit out for a couple years or get get a consultant job working for his brother John in Baltimore for a couple years then get rehired by a new NFL team. The NFL loves recycling retread loser coaches. For fcksake if freaking Dan Quinn or Raheem Morris can get head coaching jobs this year after their previous failures pretty sure Jeem will be able to get one.
He only got 4 years with SF, and he took them to three straight NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.yeah...no shit...we all know he didn't leave the 49ers because he wasn't winning. he was obviously winning. a lot. Jeem left the 49ers because he got into all out war with the GM and owner of the team. He basically told the GM to go fuck himself and he'd do things like throw the owner of the team out of the locker room and tell him it's because the locker room is for real men only. LOL.
No way he gets 3 if everything goes wrong from A to Z.
(https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:800/1*dFjMw4pUMzA4Db4MYTnfyA.png)that made me LOL. greatest comedy movie ever, maybe.
that made me LOL. greatest comedy movie ever, maybe.Urban did it with Trevor Lawrence, and apparently the worlds shittiest kicker
yeah if he pulls of a most of the 2000's Cleveland Browns or Detroit Lions type run these next two years and goes like 0-16 and 1-17 back to back years, sure. there's a chance. does anyone actually think that's going to happen? Justin Herbert is his QB, not Dan Orlovsky.
Lol.Laugh all you want fanboi CJ tore up the Sunday League but couldn't figure Booger out? Say that out loud and look in the mirror.Ask yourself why your coaches were fired,Hush money from one of the largest endowments in the country to save face.So desperate after 75 yrs w/o an outright National Title, I don't care that they won it all, what the slimeballs resorted to get there is obvious.
Yeah I guess the NFL hasn't been and won't be drafting all these Michigan players from their '21 to '23 teams because of sIgNs. Amirite? Oh wait. No. They have been drafting them and they will continue to.
Urban did it with Trevor Lawrence, and apparently the worlds shittiest kickerLol @ the kicker part.
Lol @ the kicker part.I would take a cheeseburger over any of those supposed breakfast foods.
couple of huge differences obviously. Urbz never spent any time in the NFL far as I know not even as an assistant. Jeem had a 15 year career in the NFL as a player, was an assistant coach for the Raiders and obviously a very successful head coach for the 49ers. And Trevor Lawerence was a rookie, Herbert is a 4th year vet now and significantly better than Lawerence imo.
the strangest thing to me in this whole ncaa jeem saga is the guy ordered a freaking double cheeseburger for breakfast. Who does that? Order an omelette, eggs & bacon, a waffle, French toast, pancakes, or steak & eggs like a normal human being.
I would take a cheeseburger over any of those supposed breakfast foods.:67:
I just had a bowl of chili.
[img width=274.381 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/VX6yJEJ.jpeg[/img]https://twitter.com/Balas_Wolverine/status/272395962863980545?t=oE0v8iuJFL_OVB9rPPAc2g&s=19
I would take a cheeseburger over any of those supposed breakfast foods.I don't care much for the carby breakfast foods, like pancakes or waffles or French toast, but steak and eggs is a solid choice.
I just had a bowl of chili.
I don't care much for the carby breakfast foods, like pancakes or waffles or French toast, but steak and eggs is a solid choice.Yeah, I'm a protein/veggie guy mostly, so a good omelette is great. I generally avoid carb-heavy... Unless it's biscuits & gravy. That's like crack.
Chicken fried steak and eggs is a very common breakfast option down here in Texico.
Jim Harbaugh named honorary Captain for Michigan’s opener against Fresno State. SnickerI expect @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) to like it but thus seems unnecessarily dangerous to me.
I expect @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) to like it but thus seems unnecessarily dangerous to me.I really don't care either way to be honest.
Film Study Season Preview: Jesse Minter Slowed Down Ohio State's Vaunted Passing Attack, But Can His Success Be Duplicated? | Eleven Warriors (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2024/08/148245/film-study-season-preview-the-ongoing-schematic-battle-between-ryan-days-offense-and-the-defense-up)Not sure what to think of Wink, but he comes from that 3-4 Ravens scheme and Minter and McDonald worked for him as assistants when he was DC with the Ravens- and they took his scheme and adapted it and put their own mark on it- as any great DC's would do. Having said all that I like that they are keeping the same 3-4 Ravens system/scheme and not asking these guys to learn a whole new language- instead just adding new wrinkles to it and Wink will obviously call plays and coverages differently than McDonald or Minter as well he's not those guys. Keeping that scheme in-tact is huge because that's the way they've built their roster the last 4-5 years on defense and they guys they have on defense are tailor made for it.
For you Michigan folks, who are into the Xs and Os like me. Good read. Gives a ton of credit to Jessie Minter (appropriately so). It also validates what I was saying, especially after last years game, about the complexity of the reads due to multiple things going on in different parts of the defensive backfield.
it definitely smacks of Michigan giving a giant middle finger to the NCAA however. probably not a great idea to be honest to keep antagonizing them when they have another ruling hanging over your head.This was my thought. It seems like calling the Judge names when he is about to sentence you. In theory the judge should be impartial and not hold your antics against you but it can't help and could hurt, why?
Film Study Season Preview: Jesse Minter Slowed Down Ohio State's Vaunted Passing Attack, But Can His Success Be Duplicated? | Eleven Warriors (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2024/08/148245/film-study-season-preview-the-ongoing-schematic-battle-between-ryan-days-offense-and-the-defense-up)McCord unfortunately slowed down the vaunted passing attack i.e. look at the 1st play from scrimmge
For you Michigan folks, who are into the Xs and Os like me. Good read. Gives a ton of credit to Jessie Minter (appropriately so). It also validates what I was saying, especially after last years game, about the complexity of the reads due to multiple things going on in different parts of the defensive backfield.
McCord unfortunately slowed down the vaunted passing attack i.e. look at the 1st play from scrimmgeMcCord was staring down his receiver a little bit there but how about we give Will Johnson credit for making a great play. You know Michigan has some really good players too, right? Will J is going to be a top 10 pick come 2025. He's a Patrick Surtain II clone imo.
McCord was staring down his receiver a little bit there but how about we give Will Johnson credit for making a great play. You know Michigan has some really good players too, right? Will J is going to be a top 10 pick come 2025. He's a Patrick Surtain II clone imo.I tend to agree with you. That pick by Johnson was a great play- and like the article pointed out, a clever defensive scheme Michigan had not shown on film.
OSU fans wishing McCord gone might find out that the grass isn't always greener. Was McCord amazing? Obviously not. He wasn't CJ Stroud or Justin Fields and never was going to be. Was he terrible, the worst QB ever like OSU fans tried making him out to be? No. He was a good starting college QB. Not great, not terrible either. Just decent starting college QB. And there's no guarantee that Will Howard- who lost his job at Kansas State and quite frankly isn't all that- will be any better than McCord.
Howard is no Stroud either ( but who is really). He is a different kind of QB- more of an efficient distributer of the ball and running threat. His accuracy is pretty good on short and intermediate routes, and average on longer throws. I think his strength is calm under pressure- going through progressions. Because of that and with Chip Kelley involved, I think the offense will look a bit different. Potentially more efficient but less explosive. With that defense, it might be a smart strategy.it's going to be interesting to see what Will Howard does at Ohio State. Obviously Chip Kelly coming over and getting Judkins in the portal changes the offense quite a bit. Chip wants to run the ball and he wants to involve the QB in the run game. Day's offensive philosophy obviously skews towards pass first, pushing the ball down the field and going vertical- and he'd rather his QB's not run so much. It's going to be a big change and it's going to be for the better imo. When you have a defense like Ohio State will have, running the ball and controlling the clock works like a charm.
McCord was staring down his receiver a little bit there but how about we give Will Johnson credit for making a great play. You know Michigan has some really good players too, right?https://youtu.be/lITBGjNEp08
any forum member here makes that catch - the only way it gets dropped is he would so shocked it was right to himLolwut?
Yes- best DB in CFB IMO. Might be top 3 pick.I’ll say he’s the best corner, easily. But Caleb Downs has an argument for sure if we’re talking all DB’s and not just corners. Downs was so good at safety as a true frosh it’s scary.
Watching him and Marvin go at it was a real treat.
Lolwut?You have the peculiar faculty of realizing hallucinations,If you can't laugh at yourself let me do it for you. Look at McCord thicko Johnson didn't jump anything being the tinman Kyle stared down marvin from the start like he'd been doing since HS,never looking off him thru it right to him Ray Charles could of read that. A crap pass that Johnson hung on to - nothing other dbs wouldn't do. Just like Stanley jackson in the '97 completing strikes to the wrong guys. When you're done fellating this guy clean his cack out of your eye sockets ffs. Even the Michigan fans next to us at the Pub said Thanx for the gift
Will Johnson read the play and and read it so fast he jumped the route and out-maneuvered and out-muscled a 6'4, 210 pound freak who was just the #4 pick in the NFL draft and the best college WR I've seen in at least 15 years for that INT and beat said freak WR to the spot before the ball was even out of the QB's hand.
I think there's a lot of people slightly overlooking the Michigan defense. They see JJ, Jenkins, Sainristil, Colson and Corum gone and a ton of players drafted and don't see some of the elite talent still on the defensive side of the ball. Yes, QB play will be an impactful position, but there were many Bama teams we watched a defense could be so good, even mediocre QB play was all that was needed because the defensive talent was so dominant. This team could certainly have that potential.yeah their defense is going to be nasty. the only thing that really hurts is losing Rod Moore. he was sooooo good at deep safety. there were only a handful of safeties in the country better than him.
if Ernest Hausmann was still in Lincoln, folks wouldn't be saying the same things about him, but good for that kid.he's really good. very underrated on the national landscape in large part because he wasn't a full-time starter. 247Sports rated him as the #4 player overall in their 2023 transfer portal rankings after he had a really good true freshman season at Nebraska. And I can see why. He's built like a brick shit house and twitched way up, he has some wheels and he's a heat seeking ball of muscle missile. He accelerates and closes on the ball as fast as any LB'er I've seen at Michigan and when he comes he comes with bad intentions.
Taking that opportunity and making the most of it.
...and a nobody guy in Stalions, making $55,000 a year and standing two feet from the defensive coordinator, is giving him this info in real time as the DC calls the new defensive play for UM.
Speaking of Connor Stalions, did anyone catch Netflix's documentary released earlier this week, focusing on Stalions' central role in Michigan's Sign-Stealing Scandal?I haven't watched it, maybe I will give it a spin. I thought it was odd that they had an "Ohio State fan" dressed in disguise calling himself Brohio, given that there are approximately 10 million OSU fans who would have willingly gone on camera. Any reason given for that?
I haven't watched it, maybe I will give it a spin. I thought it was odd that they had an "Ohio State fan" dressed in disguise calling himself Brohio, given that there are approximately 10 million OSU fans who would have willingly gone on camera. Any reason given for that?According to @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) of all people, apparently this Brohio dude was either an actor or, more likely Connor Stallions himself attempting to make the tOSU fanbase look bad, see here:
According to @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) of all people, apparently this Brohio dude was either an actor or, more likely Connor Stallions himself attempting to make the tOSU fanbase look bad, see here:(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWJrYARXkAAUkYI?format=png&name=240x240)
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/fresno-state-(0-0)-at-9-michigan-(0-0)-game-week/98/
I haven't watched it, maybe I will give it a spin. I thought it was odd that they had an "Ohio State fan" dressed in disguise calling himself Brohio, given that there are approximately 10 million OSU fans who would have willingly gone on camera. Any reason given for that?They were interviewing a journalist on the radio yesterday who pointed out that it's mislabelled as a documentary. It's just a Connor Stallions fluff piece, that he controlled
They were interviewing a journalist on the radio yesterday who pointed out that it's mislabelled as a documentary. It's just a Connor Stallions fluff piece, that he controlledyeah I haven't and won't watch it largely because it's made by Netflix and everything they make is typically just a giant piece of shit. Netflix giving the guy some form of creative control doesn't surprise me, they did the same thing with Urbz on that fluff piece Florida Gators doc.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1828492719360221651
Yeah, they've done a bunch. They did the non 30 for 30 Malace at the Palace, the Caitlyn Jenner one. They just sort of churn them out with very little researchNetflix is only about getting as much content as possible and getting as much views as possible to keep that huge subscriber base from canceling their subscriptions. they are the anti-ben shapiro...feelings don't care about your facts.
@Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) you have a really good QB committed that you should be more excited about. He plays on the top team over here - Bishop Verot.I like their '26 QB commit Brady Hart, who is also from Florida better.
Carter Smith, Bishop Verot , Quarterback (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/player/carter-smith-46137774/)
I've kept an eye on him. He had a good first week.
I wish he was Wisconsin's 2025 QB commit.
I like their '26 QB commit Brady Hart, who is also from Florida better.The ironic thing there is that Cocoa and Verot could meet for the state title this year. There is a clear path for that to happen.
But I'll take both. Just get at least one to two 4*/5* QB commits every single class and eventually one will pan out.
QB recruiting has ticked up though. Jeem whiffed horribly on 5* in-staters '23 on Dante Moore and '25 in Bryce Underwood.
The ironic thing there is that Cocoa and Verot could meet for the state title this year. There is a clear path for that to happen.Florida is known for putting out insane amounts of talent everywhere but....QB.
Smith is a little shorter, I think. Listed at 6-3 but only 190 right now.as long as one of them hits, that's all that matters. one will win the job, the other will porthole, that's just how it goes these days.
Depends on what Kelly does to him. He's kind of a QB killer, no?well didn't he just turn Jayden Daniels, who was an average QB playing in the PAC, into the Heisman trophy winning #2 pick in the draft playing in the SEC?
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2024/08/30/sherrone-moore-michigan-football-coach-contracts/74995585007/Michigan leaving themselves an out if Moore gets hammered so they can fire him and not pay him.
Michigan leaving themselves an out if Moore gets hammered so they can fire him and not pay him.I'm not sure how good he'd be in the NIL era. He was an elite recruiter, and kids just follow the money now
If it comes to that, call Stephen Ross and have him write a fat check to Urban Meyer. How crazy would that be?
I'd look to Lawrence, KS for my replacement if I'm Manuel.he’s too old imo and Michigan’s NIL ain’t what it could/should be.
The guy can flat out coach and Michigan has NIL money. Let him groom his replacement.
Matt Sluka is right there for you.Pretty sure Davey the pizza boy said top 10 QB portal or hs recruit.
Only if it's an upgradeProblem is it's always going to be an upgrade if that's your plan, because no HS recruit worth a damn is committing to play knowing you are bringing in a senior every year. You will have you portal starter, and then your 3* backup who is content to be the backup at a helmet school, and get his mop up duty. There are times where you do it, like this year. But I think that's a terrible annual plan
Not sure you want to be bringing in a new QB every yearIn the portal? Agree.
I HATE the idea of paying for a HS QB, or any HS player. That's not how it's supposed to work.I disagree. I'd rather pay for recruits than poach a kid who has been developed elsewhere. I'd be fine with no NIL limits if they got rid of the portal
I HATE the idea of paying for a HS QB, or any HS player. That's not how it's supposed to work.I pretty much agree, but this is the world we live in. And QB is by far the most important position on the field.
I HATE the idea of paying for a HS QB, or any HS player. That's not how it's supposed to work.
I disagree. I'd rather pay for recruits than poach a kid who has been developed elsewhere. I'd be fine with no NIL limits if they got rid of the portalI disagree at least you're ponying up for someone established instead of a swing and a miss. Buckeyes paid Ewers a million Bucks a few seasons back but he left never playing.Good on him - but wasted wages from someone,not fond of the portal or NIL but pay for someone who will see the field frequently if this nonsense is the status quo
Tennessee looks smart AF right now dropping that bag on Nico. That kid is a STUD and I sure as hell wish he was QB'ing Michigan right now...
I looked up the numbers on QB Nico Iamaleava's deal. $1.9M/yr - wow! I knew a few of these kids were into deep pockets but when you see what the numbers are it brings a tangible perspective.Can't wait to see all these 18 year old college kids make that type of money. Shouldn't have any negative consequences and I'm sure it will lead to a life of drive, especially as they get older.
For example, do most NFL backups even make that much - $2M/yr? Should a productive starter like Nico make $2M/yr yet be projected by the NFL as a backup, I could see players in his situation staying all four years rather than rushing the jump to the NFL.
I looked up the numbers on QB Nico Iamaleava's deal. $1.9M/yr - wow! I knew a few of these kids were into deep pockets but when you see what the numbers are it brings a tangible perspective.vast majority of these "reported" NIL deals are bs. most of the deals are private, so only way to know what they are is if either party wants to announce it. most don't.
For example, do most NFL backups even make that much - $2M/yr? Should a productive starter like Nico make $2M/yr yet be projected by the NFL as a backup, I could see players in his situation staying all four years rather than rushing the jump to the NFL.
Can't wait to see all these 18 year old college kids make that type of money. Shouldn't have any negative consequences and I'm sure it will lead to a life of drive, especially as they get older.money just makes people more of what they already are. if the kid has his head on his shoulders, he'll be fine. see: Blake Corum and JJ McCarthy who both made plenty of NIL money at Michigan and were great kids.
With all that NIL money I'm kind of worried about Michigan's highly rated prospects and recruits sticking around. Like what's to keep freshman QB Jayden Davis in Ann Arbor? The coaching staff that developed Warren, Orji, and Tuttle?First off most big NIL deals for HS kids are for kids much more highly rated than Jadyn Davis. Davis was a top 100ish recruit. Still great recruit with upside don't get me wrong, but not exactly an OMERG FIVE STARZZZ #1 overall like an Arch Manning or Nico or Quinn Ewers or Bryce Underwood- I suspect any major NIL deals for HS kids are for the most part reserved for HS players of that caliber- a good notch above Jadyn Davis.
arguably the worst QB room in the entire FBS.Wisconsin says "hold my beer"...
I know @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) doesn't care much for this kid, and it would make me happy if Portnoy buys Underwood and this kid ends up in Madison.Smith is an athlete playing QB. High upside but far from a finished product. The 2026 kid from Florida Brady Hart is light years better already than Carter Smith in terms of feel for the game and the grasp of the position imo and Bryce Underwood is simply put just one of the best QB prospects ever in the modern recruiting era. Underwood is a plug and play starter 3 years and off to the 1st round of the NFL draft player....he's already that developed as a HS senior and he's just that physically talented...6'4ish, 210+ and a cannon arm with legit speed.
WINK News Player of the Week: Bishop Verot QB Carter Smith (https://winknews.com/2024/10/03/wink-news-player-of-the-week-bishop-verot-qb-carter-smith/)
Wisconsin says "hold my beer"...Michigan's is worse...
Iowa raises a handCade would start at Michigan right now if he were still here....
Connor Stalions revealed he leaked Michigan State signals to Ohio State back in 2021 to avoid a three-way tie in the Big Ten.
The former Michigan staffer, who was the alleged mastermind behind an entire sign stealing operation with the Wolverines, wanted to make sure his team was in position to get to the conference title game. At the time, Michigan lost to Michigan State, which meant the Spartans had to lose two games in order for Michigan-Ohio State to be for the East division title and a spot in the Big Ten title game.
https://www.on3.com/news/connor-stalions-reveals-leaked-michigan-state-signals-ohio-state-avoid-2021-three-way-tie/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFyaIRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHefM2PS029XkdTt3c_2s9z30WmPtixbA5fV6n3-AnRvXH_Rp4vDPzGz3VQ_aem_ARP_4kSydRZ8TJQ9_D0mfg (https://www.on3.com/news/connor-stalions-reveals-leaked-michigan-state-signals-ohio-state-avoid-2021-three-way-tie/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFyaIRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHefM2PS029XkdTt3c_2s9z30WmPtixbA5fV6n3-AnRvXH_Rp4vDPzGz3VQ_aem_ARP_4kSydRZ8TJQ9_D0mfg)
No clue how legit this source is. Apparently LSU is paying him $2.5 millionI hope they do it I'd take proven kids from under performing programs. It worked for Booger with the O-Line and the Bucks/Ducks at QB and DBs and at least 1 DL
https://twitter.com/TheD_Zone/status/1847315808654918016?t=PrauZxBUU7KFywlJK6oPGg&s=19
No clue how legit this source is. Apparently LSU is paying him $2.5 millionI would highly doubt all of it to be honest lol.
https://twitter.com/TheD_Zone/status/1847315808654918016?t=PrauZxBUU7KFywlJK6oPGg&s=19
I hope they do it I'd take proven kids from under performing programs. It worked for Booger with the O-Line and the Bucks/Ducks at QB and DBs and at least 1 DLnormally I'd agree with you, but when you see some kids in HS that just have it....you just know. the ONLY position I'd be cool with paying huge NIL money for on a HS kid is QB. And that QB would have to be really special prospect.
I think it's Jadyn Davis time in Ann Arbor.I agree. If he ain't better than these bums- even as a true frosh- he probably never belonged at this level. He's had a spring ball, fall camp, and half a season to improve. Time to see what the kid has because season is already over. Might as well get him some experience and build for next year.
I think Michigan’s current staff has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they can’t develop QBs. They need to get out in front of that now and not wait until the end of November because the season is already over. Bring in a new coordinator for the offense now and a new QB coach. Anyone is better than what they have now. Go across the street and get someone from Huron High.Kirk Campbell sucks, no doubt, but you can't turn shit into chicken salad. Any OC/QB coach would struggle with the raw materials they have to work with at QB. Davis Warren is a walk-on who hasn't played a real game of football since his sophomore year of HS and not surprisingly....he looks exactly like what he is and he fucking sucks. Alex Orji was a 48% completion passer in HS....that is pathetic. Especially considering most HS teams run spread and the QB's get easy quick cheap completions. Orji just flat out can't throw- he's not playing QB at a high level for anyone other than maybe a triple option team. Jack Tuttle is 40 years old with three kids and mortgage and a vacation home. He got passed over at Indiana by multiple QB's which is why he transferred to Michigan. He's not any good and he's never been good.
Jack Tuttle is 40 years old with three kids and mortgage and a vacation home.You're so ungrateful c'mon last saturday in his honor M scored 1 point for every year he's been in college
Hey, if Michigan is ready to move on from Wink, they have optionsPlease no.. we're already limping around like an injured animal. Let's not make it worse.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42466497/umass-fires-head-coach-don-brown-6-28-stint
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1856739387213496500
Hey, if Michigan is ready to move on from Wink, they have optionsthey are literally the same guy....
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42466497/umass-fires-head-coach-don-brown-6-28-stint
watching the Chargers last night........Chargers won the game....so.
Collingsworth gushing over Minter's defense in the first half........
was pretty quiet in the 2nd half when Joe Burrow went off
counters? adjustments?
Please no.. we're already limping around like an injured animal. Let's not make it worse.Lol. Minter is going to be an NFL head coach next season. He ain't coming back to Michigan.
If i'm Michigan brass, I'm going to LA, begging Minter to come be the next head coach and paying him an absurd amount of money. If they can't see the difference in football revenue from last year to this year and realize the spend is worth it, then just smile at the iceberg ahead and hope it doesn't sink the ship.
Chargers won the game....so.agreed
I'd say holding Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase to 27 on their home turf is a pretty solid job in today's NFL where the rules suck for the defense and you can't sneeze near the QB or touch a WR or it's an auto 15 yard penalty or worse.
Sherrone can still work out. He just needs to fire his OC and DC and hire legit ones and FIND A GOD DAMN QB.I dunno Moore let how much time tick away before calling a TO late in the 4th vs the Hoosiers
I dunno Moore let how much time tick away before calling a TO late in the 4th vs the HoosiersI’m not disagreeing with you. Moore needs lot of work. He’s made tons of mistakes. Michigan probably isn’t a learn it on the job on the fly as you go type of job.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Moore needs lot of work. He’s made tons of mistakes. Michigan probably isn’t a learn it on the job on the fly as you go type of job.I think it's how Moore extinguishes this season's dumpster fire that will determine his longevity in Ann Arbor. He needs a new OC and perhaps other coaches on offense. He needs to get a proven QB and maybe two WRs out of the portal, and fix the OL somehow. If I'm not seeing great improvement next year, Moore should be replaced.
I just think he can still work things out here. He’s a very good recruiter, connects well with kids and their families. And his players love him. He honestly just flat out made terrible OC & DC hires, he doesn’t have a QB worth a shit, AND he’s made lot of rookie mistakes. Add that all up and that’s how you get 5-5.
I still think he can turn it around. He hires a competent OC and stud DC and he finds a QB I think he’ll be fine.
I think it's how Moore extinguishes this season's dumpster fire that will determine his longevity in Ann Arbor. He needs a new OC and perhaps other coaches on offense. He needs to get a proven QB and maybe two WRs out of the portal, and fix the OL somehow. If I'm not seeing great improvement next year, Moore should be replaced.I'd give him 3 years. If he can't turn it around by then, sayonara.
he's not sharp, but then neither was JimmyI think his ring and the NFL disagree.
that's finewait.. are you referencing Jimmy or Moore lol? I was reference Jimmy.. we could be completely agreeing on a topic and not even know it
I'll disagree
I've heard his interviews and press conferences
JimmyWell, he's definitely not normal haha.. but the older i get, the more i realize those willing to be different and not worried about being "normal" and fitting in, tend to be the ones that have the greatest impact.
Watching the Chargers....... sideline reporter asked Jimmy a few questions coming out of haltime
Jimmy almost sounded normal
I’m not disagreeing with you. Moore needs lot of work. He’s made tons of mistakes. Michigan probably isn’t a learn it on the job on the fly as you go type of job.Pehaps he can but the bumbling of time late in the game is something you learn while playing it,then coaching at the High School level and into College. It's just that M definitley had the momentum and line play in their favor. Of course perhaps another coach was suppose to keep his eye on the clock, HC's do that. But it was like cheap parishoners ignoring the collection plate being passed around during worship service. Think there was like 1:24 left when M was stopped short so they could have done it with 2 t.o.s left
What do you think about the $10.5 mil in NIL that's supposedly being offered to Underwood? Fact? Fiction?If I'm an LSU fan, i would actually prefer it being true and Underwood saying no and not making the decision solely on money. If I'm a Michigan guy, i don't want a kid making a decision solely on money anyways. I know that's short-sighted and there's been plenty of talent that takes the big payday because they are the best athlete and then do incredibly well, but I've always loved the high character players that put winning above just a payday.
A bunch of LSU outlets keep reporting it, but I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not.
Really, if it's anywhere even close to that, if I'm Underwood I'd take the $ and tell LSU lolz, sorry not sorry.
What do you think about the $10.5 mil in NIL that's supposedly being offered to Underwood? Fact? Fiction?from what I can gather, it's probably fiction. it's very likely a big number, but probably not anywhere near $10.5 million. these NIL things are hard to know- and I think On3 is probably the worst site out there and is basically a tabloid rag that just throws shit out of their dirty assholes onto the wall and hopes something sticks. Unless they've seen the proposals/contracts from the collectives or the Underwood family they have zero clue what the actual # is- and I HIGHLY doubt either party is just releasing that information to some random ass recruiting website called On3.
A bunch of LSU outlets keep reporting it, but I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not.
Really, if it's anywhere even close to that, if I'm Underwood I'd take the $ and tell LSU lolz, sorry not sorry.
Its not just On3 though. I think the thing is that its $10.5, but its back loaded. Sonhe wont be making $2.5 next year. He has to play 4 years to get it all, and that last year might be $4 millionnah. literally the only place I've seen that "$10.5 million" bullshit reported is that tabloid rag On3. Every other "report" has just been x,y,z blog or site citing On3, they aren't doing their own reporting or verification of that number. And again, there is zero way for anyone to verify unless the collectives or the family are releasing that information. And neither party is releasing that information as far as I can tell. Why would they? It's a private contract between private entities. The schools have nothing to do with these NIL deals therefore they aren't subject to FOIA. The NIL collectives and the players don't have to release information on particulars of deals if they don't want to.
I think the thing is that its $10.5, but its back loaded. Sonhe wont be making $2.5 next year. He has to play 4 years to get it all, and that last year might be $4 millioninteresting.. maybe that's the reason it's not as enticing... If you were this kid and truly that talented, year 4 you are confident you'll be in the NFL. So honestly, if they are back loading it and have a large part in year 4, it may come across as insulting as well.. like you don't think i'm good enough to be #1 pick in the NFL draft after year 3 then why would my confidence rest with you?
I know a former team manager who subsequently worked for the program for 2 years, and is still pretty well connected. He said he's not sure its $10.5, but would be comfortable saying it's over $8I'm sure it's a pretty big number. The reality is none of us actually really know. And sites like On3 trade in intrigue and sensationalism to try and get clicks. Who is telling that little pipsqueak EJ Holland at Michigan's On3 site that the number is $10.5 million? Can almost guarantee you it's not the collective working the deal or anyone involved and can say the same thing in regards to the Underwood family- who don't want attention and would rather have Michigan do it's courting in silence and on the low key.
interesting.. maybe that's the reason it's not as enticing... If you were this kid and truly that talented, year 4 you are confident you'll be in the NFL. So honestly, if they are back loading it and have a large part in year 4, it may come across as insulting as well.. like you don't think i'm good enough to be #1 pick in the NFL draft after year 3 then why would my confidence rest with you?LSU collectives are probably offering him a ton of money as well. So it's probably not just all about the money. I feel confident saying Michigan's collectives could out-bid LSU's if it came to that- but I'm not sure that $10.5 million number is a real number. And who knows what the terms of the deal are and the actual # is? I think it's pretty pointless to speculate. Unless we see the contract with terms- it's all just hearsay.
I hope this becomes closer to reality, but I'm not optimistic about it at all. Look at how desperate Michigan is to find a QB right now.. They along with many other programs will be willing to pay big money and invest in the hope of the future.
I'm not really sure the pay for play model with NIL collectives is sustainable long term. You might be able to get a few players here or there or a couple classes (A&M), but I highly doubt it's sustainable long term. The boosters/fans donating money to these collectives will want to see return on investment via winning- and well if you ain't winning the funds will dry up imo.
Who is telling that little pipsqueak EJ Holland at Michigan's On3 site that the number is $10.5 million? Can almost guarantee you it's not the collective working the deal or anyone involved and can say the same thing in regards to the Underwood family- who don't want attention and would rather have Michigan do it's courting in silence and on the low key.The number might be bandied about by Underwood's agent or someone else who wants the number to be known for negotiation purposes. Even if the number isn't real and is made up by said agent.
interesting.. maybe that's the reason it's not as enticing... If you were this kid and truly that talented, year 4 you are confident you'll be in the NFL. So honestly, if they are back loading it and have a large part in year 4, it may come across as insulting as well.. like you don't think i'm good enough to be #1 pick in the NFL draft after year 3 then why would my confidence rest with you?His speculation is that structured that it would be slightly less than LSU if he transfers after 1 or 2 years, equal if he stays 3, and will exceed it through 4. The only way that would backfire for Michigan is if he is a total bust. For him, the upside is a parachute if that happens. $4 million a year I think slots equal to like the #16 pick in the NFL draft. So it's not like he would have to be a total bust for that to be more than he would make as a rookie in the NFL. Even if he's just a 2nd round pick, or a low 1st round pick, the 4th year at Michigan is better. And QB isn't a position with high injury risk, or where you are viewed as simply having more tread on the tires like RB.
Hey, if Michigan is ready to move on from Wink, they have optionsBrown's wife stated on Twitter that UMass's total NIL for football was $36,000
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42466497/umass-fires-head-coach-don-brown-6-28-stint
Michigan gets the flip for Bryce Underwood, who says adios to Brian Kelly and LSU. Kind of cool the top two recruits on 247 are Bryce Underwood from Michigan and Tavien St. Clair from Ohio, who is headed to OSU.yeah I think Underwood is the #1 player and #1 QB and St. Clair is the #2 player and #2 QB. Pretty wild.
Check clearedmoney talks, bullshit walks. as they say.
"I'm home" might be the funniest announcement since Reggie White said God told him to play for Green Bay, who also happened to offer the most moneythe money is obviously a factor, but Michigan being 20-30 mins from home has to be as well. it's recruiting and in recruiting distance to home always plays a factor. why do you think SEC schools always dominate the recruiting rankings? cause that's where all the highest rated players live- in the southeast.
the money is obviously a factor, but Michigan being 20-30 mins from home has to be as well. it's recruiting and in recruiting distance to home always plays a factor. why do you think SEC schools always dominate the recruiting rankings? cause that's where all the highest rated players live- in the southeast.And they've always paid the most
Wow, not sure I love it considering the circumstances but Michigan trying to end their QB issue. What does Jadyn Davis do?if Jadyn Davis couldn't beat out Jack Tuttle, Davis Warren, and Alex Orji even after he enrolled early and participated in spring ball.....he was never going to play here imo.
if Jadyn Davis couldn't beat out Jack Tuttle, Davis Warren, and Alex Orji even after he enrolled early and participated in spring ball.....he was never going to play here imo.Yeah, he's gone. They will likely bring in a Jack Tuttle type as a backup, and do that on an annual basis.
Davis will stick around next year and battle with Underwood for the job but he'll probably lose that battle, then portal. Davis is a little smallish, has a decent arm- not a howitzer- but decent enough- he has kind of a funky release/mechanics, and he's not very mobile. Underwood is 6'3/6'4, basically a proto-type build a QB in a lab with a howitzer for an arm, flawless release/mechanics, and is extremely athletic. Davis is likely done at Michigan.
Yeah, he's gone. They will likely bring in a Jack Tuttle type as a backup, and do that on an annual basis.Davis Warren is a walk-on who sucks. Jack Tuttle is 40 years old with 3 children and a mortgage and has never been good. Alex Orji literally cannot throw a football.
Pretty sure they are still paying Ed O.Sense turning into nosense
If they are willing to pay another buyout, they probably could have paid their top recruit
the LSU fans online on twitter/msg boards wanna kill the dude right now...Nick Saban set such unrealistic expectations. Hell, even MSU fans realize what Dantonio did was nearly impossible in that era, and is completely impossible now. LSU finished in the AP Top Ten once in the 30 years before Saban got there, and act like they are a helmet. Tennessee fans have more of a reason to be pissed than LSU fans
https://twitter.com/BetMGM/status/1859740310353609012
247Sports Michigan insider Sam Webb says Michigan still going to bring in a portal QB.Yes, like I said, they will bring in a Jack Tuttle type backup every year. He will still make decent money, and be one snap away from the starting job. MSU brought in a top end FCS starter to be a backup this year. Michigan should at least be able to top that
CFB will be dead in 10 years.It's already been dead that long
It's already been dead that longThis kind of recruiting puts the nail in the coffin.
Michigan needs to bring in a proven QB from the portal. Someone like Quinn Ewers would be ideal.Quinn Ewers is going to the NFL draft...
CFB will be dead in 10 years.yeah, but it won't. in 10 years it'll be even bigger and more popular now than ever thanks to the playoff....just like it's more popular now than it was 10 years ago.
This kind of recruiting puts the nail in the coffin.this kind of recruiting has been going on for years now....Tennessee reportedly paid Nico $8 mil to sign. rev share is coming which means NIL won't be quite as important in the future.
don't worry, gonna be a shitload of QBs in the portaldon't think he's leaving now because Napier might've saved his job but DJ Lagway has to be #1 with a bullet for QB's in the portal market if he hits
Have never really paid attention to Underwood nor watched any videos on him. First time doing it today to see the hype. Although highlight videos are only the plus sides, the kid does seem incredibly polished for a high school kid. The part i've missed behind center has been the ability to create misdirection by faking the hand-off, tucking the ball properly and something I have not witness being done well since Denard Robinson. This kid has a pretty incredible presence and ability along with a very accurate arm. I understand the hype. That being said, i've seen plenty of kids with hype make it to Ann Arbor and become underachievers. Lesson learned from Sam McGuffie.I get what you are saying, hype don't mean jack and he's got to prove it on the field. Sam McGuffie is probably a bad comparison- he was never the wire to wire #1 player at his position in a class let alone the #1 player overall in a class....not even close. He was in that 3*-4* range. McGuffie had an insane highlight reel on YouTube but he wasn't some uber 5* #1 overall recruit.
Nick Saban set such unrealistic expectations. Hell, even MSU fans realize what Dantonio did was nearly impossible in that era, and is completely impossible now. LSU finished in the AP Top Ten once in the 30 years before Saban got there, and act like they are a helmet. Tennessee fans have more of a reason to be pissed than LSU fans
I get what you are saying, hype don't mean jack and he's got to prove it on the field. Sam McGuffie is probably a bad comparison- he was never the wire to wire #1 player at his position in a class let alone the #1 player overall in a class....not even close. He was in that 3*-4* range. McGuffie had an insane highlight reel on YouTube but he wasn't some uber 5* #1 overall recruit.I'm using McGuffie as an example of the hype machine and waiting to see it on the field rather than comparing to talent level and predicted success. Say what you will about the star rating, but most Michigan fans on the planet tore apart the star rating on McGuffie and tried to use him as an example of why recruiting rankings meant nothing because he wasn't rated like he should have been and he should have been a 5* in their eyes because of the highlight videos.
I'm using McGuffie as an example of the hype machine and waiting to see it on the field rather than comparing to talent level and predicted success. Say what you will about the star rating, but most Michigan fans on the planet tore apart the star rating on McGuffie and tried to use him as an example of why recruiting rankings meant nothing because he wasn't rated like he should have been and he should have been a 5* in their eyes because of the highlight videos.Devin Gardner was the #68 player overall, #3 QB in the nation (Phillip Sims and Blake Bell were #1 and #2 respectively), and #2 player in the state of Michigan in the 247Composite (5* DL Will Gholston was #1 in-state). Just looked it up. That's a very good prospect, but also a bit of a far cry from the #1 overall player/QB in the nation.
My point is, plenty of people can look like they have the total package in high school and not transition to the next level. Devin Gardner was the #1 QB recruit in 2010 per 247. He was a decent QB at Michigan, but nothing like what expectation was set. Rashan Gary 2016 was supposed to be the best defensive recruit and player the country would ever see. Super talented. Made it next level. Made an impact at Michigan.. Didn't change the state of the program like it was talked about he would. I'm personally just more pessimistic on the signing of one big name that hasn't done jack squat at this level.
So what's the difference between top 247 and 247 composite? Not that I care, but from memory, this is more accurate of what people thought.. Sims and Gardner were tied for #1 qb and one was pro and one was dual. The big push at the time was that dual qbs were the future.State of Michigan produced 3 4* QBs that year, and it didn't work out great.
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That being said.. to your arguments defense, 2018 #1 & 2 overall were Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. 2020 was Bryce Young and 2021 was Quinn Ewers. When a QB tends to be ranked #1 overall, not just at the position, they tend to be very very good.
So what's the difference between top 247 and 247 composite? Not that I care, but from memory, this is more accurate of what people thought.. Sims and Gardner were tied for #1 qb and one was pro and one was dual. The big push at the time was that dual qbs were the future.that screen shot is 247's own rankings. I tend to lean towards the composite, which compiles all 4 major recruiting services rankings and then averages them out.
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That being said.. to your arguments defense, 2018 #1 & 2 overall were Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. 2020 was Bryce Young and 2021 was Quinn Ewers. When a QB tends to be ranked #1 overall, not just at the position, they tend to be very very good.
This actually bothers me a lot less than the transfer portal stuff. If fans want to pay 17 year olds, I'm fine with that, if it means at least we have roster continuity.I actually agree with that. what causes far more chaos is guys on rosters deciding hey I'll just hit the portal and go somewhere else for more money. Imagine being a coach who recruited a kid and believed in him when no one else did and put all that time and effort and energy into him to develop him into a star and then once he has a great season he says, "nah, I think I'll hit the portal and go to 'Bama or Ohio State or Michigan because they'll pay me way more than you can". That's got to suck and be a gut punch to any coach. Just one of the many reasons why coaching in college has to suck now.
State of Michigan produced 3 4* QBs that year, and it didn't work out great.Devin Gardner was ruined by really bad coaches. He picked the wrong school at the time unfortunately. I think he'd have developed into a pretty solid player had he gone to Ohio State.
Gardner was a mediocre starter, and was the best of the bunch. Joe Boisture never threw a pass for MSU. He retired for medical reasons, and then tried to make a comeback at D2 Saginaw Valley State, was a 3rd stringer there, then retired for good. Rob Bolden was bad at Penn State, transferred to LSU, placed 4th on the depth chart, transferred to Eastern Michigan, and was also bad there.
MSU rarely had blowouts under Dantonio, even during their best years, but I recall a Bolden game for EMU that was about the most lopsided FBS-FBS game I've ever seen.
I looked it up. MSU led 49-0 at halftime, and won 73-14. EMU ran 25 plays for 11 yards, an interception and 2 fumbles in the first half
that screen shot is 247's own rankings. I tend to lean towards the composite, which compiles all 4 major recruiting services rankings and then averages them out.Found a breakdown of this on Reddit. 247, ESPN, Rivals and On3. Weirdly, i think i would trust 247 now over any combination of the other 3 but maybe not from 2010.
Found a breakdown of this on Reddit. 247, ESPN, Rivals and On3. Weirdly, i think i would trust 247 now over any combination of the other 3 but maybe not from 2010.Rivals had Will Johnson as the #1 CB and #4 player in the nation. I believe 247 had him as the 6th corner and 38th player or something stupid like that....
Rivals had Will Johnson as the #1 CB and #4 player in the nation. I believe 247 had him as the 6th corner and 38th player or something stupid like that....C'mon.. you could do that on both sides of the coin with hundreds of examples. Using one example proves nothing. Now if you had mass quantities of data, then you'd have my ear.
C'mon.. you could do that on both sides of the coin with hundreds of examples. Using one example proves nothing. Now if you had mass quantities of data, then you'd have my ear.which is why I tend to lean towards the composite....seems to be more accurate in the long run. for example composite had Will as a 5*, #15 player overall, and #2 CB.
which is why I tend to lean towards the composite....seems to be more accurate in the long run. for example composite had Will as a 5*, #15 player overall, and #2 CB.Now that I can see that argument and can roll with that mentality.
a while before signing dayhe's signing in 10 days and enrolling early....
Bryce could still land a better $$$$ offer
I'd guess he's in, but I wouldn't be counting chickens
Underwood is enrolling early? Maybe he’ll start as a 17 year old in the bowl game should Michigan neat Northwestern.Was it Kayvon Thibidoux who did that?
Underwood is enrolling early? Maybe he’ll start as a 17 year old in the bowl game should Michigan neat Northwestern.yes, he's enrolling early.
he's signing in 10 days and enrolling early....Yeah, rumor is Ellison himself threw in another $2 million to get it up to $12.5. I'm sure he's more than comfortable to keep going, if need be. he'll be at Michigan
nobody is out-bidding Michigan for him brother. Larry Ellison is backing Michigan NIL to the hilt because: his wife. Never underestimate the power of the pussy.
Larry Ellison's net worth is $234.9 billion. He's worth more money than the entire state of Louisiana and Alabama combined by himself.
Yeah, rumor is Ellison himself threw in another $2 million to get it up to $12.5. I'm sure he's more than comfortable to keep going, if need be. he'll be at MichiganMichigan alums Stephen Ross the owner the Miami Dolphins and founder of Related- the largest real estate developer in the US and Larry Page the founder of Google haven't gotten involved with NIL at all. Michigan gets those involved with Ellison they'll have three guys worth nearly half a trillion dollars combined to buy HS players. Not to mention the countless others they could try to draw on that are worth a couple hundred million to maybe a billion or two.
Yeah, rumor is Ellison himself threw in another $2 million to get it up to $12.5. I'm sure he's more than comfortable to keep going, if need be. he'll be at MichiganJeebis this is just slimy and I'm not referring just to M but the whole direction this NIL thing is taking.Money should be spent on academics,buildings, programs for the greater good
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ohio-state-vs-michigan-odds-buckeyes-set-as-largest-favorite-over-wolverines-in-modern-series-history/quit sandbagging. game is in Columbus and Ohio State is out for retribution after taking beatings 3 years in a row. Oh yeah and not to mention Michigan's QB's/offense truly suck.
That is SO much BS specially with the Buckeyes O-Line woes.Unless someone went down for M I'm unaware of - I might find a local Book - sumptin' I haven't done since '09
Ohio State vs. Michigan odds: Buckeyes set as largest favorite over Wolverines in modern series history
Ohio State opened as a 23.5-point betting favorite for its regular season finale against Michigan on FanDuel Sportsbook. It's the largest spread in the series since 1978, according to ESPN Stats and Info.
quit sandbagging. game is in Columbus and Ohio State is out for retribution after taking beatings 3 years in a row. Oh yeah and not to mention Michigan's QB's/offense truly suck.I'm honestly not doing the "No Way".M's line is still good,so Howard will have to get the ball out quick,wether traps/slants.Day hasn't been "lights out" recruiting lines like the so called skill positions
Ohio State is going to Diddy Michigan. It ain't gonna be pretty.
247Sports' Bud Elliot says Bryce Underwood is the closest thing to Cam Newton that he's seen since he's been scouting/covering all these kids.And Michigan has become the Auburn of the north, so it checks out
https://twitter.com/BudElliott3/status/1859739955591041521/video/1
And Michigan has become the Auburn of the north, so it checks outLol. So says Sparty.
And Michigan has become the Auburn of the north, so it checks outYeah, not really. What Michigan is doing is completely within the rules. And they are finally catching up to Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and the heavy hitters in the NIL space. What Auburn and the entire SEC was doing for decades to land recruits by having Bubba the Booster drop off McDonald's bags full of cash to HS kids and their handlers wasn't.
Yeah, not really. What Michigan is doing is completely within the rules.Starting this year?Good to see they're turning over a new leaf. But not that asshole who your boy was pictured with by Hayes Fawcett on X.Whoever that that slappie is
but, but, but, he can get paid at A&Mby all means, get paid. he’d still have gotten paid if he was a 2026 kid vs 2025. Skipping your SR year of HS typically isn’t a great idea if you’re a football player but especially if you’re a QB.
waiting a year to get paid is toughShohei Ohtani disagrees.
you don't want to defer you're paycheck next year
Moss is on a lot of lists. He's gonna be expensive.(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/RBHVXdPsggHkw_Frwz1lAtSoysu06c4IynSK71xlEUDjY-np9cpU4nmzx4Y3cSZXQ9OBZ0sLS7OWU_MSIaG_JI5fPvM0Dedm3deZFE7nIO80ukHS-QXFVyQN2gzTkE-ytMaS4NpczF-5t5sNbeT382iaHoCx)
Jim Harbaugh said that Michigan would never be a transactional program.Jeem ain't the coach. He took the Chargers' money and bolted.
So much for that.
Moss not going to the draft?nope. porthole.
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She is wife #5, UM fans better hope he croaks before she becomes ex-wife #5then they'll just have to just get Larry Page or Stephen Ross on the phone. Combined they're worth like 180 B's. Not quite Larry Ellison's 240.
then they'll just have to just get Larry Page or Stephen Ross on the phone. Combined they're worth like 180 B's. Not quite Larry Ellison's 240.IIRC there are issues with Ross paying into NIL due to his Dolphins ownership. Same with the 2 MSU alums who are NBA owners
IIRC there are issues with Ross paying into NIL due to his Dolphins ownership. Same with the 2 MSU alums who are NBA ownersnot sure about that- but perhaps NFL/NBA have rules against owners supporting NIL.
not sure about that- but perhaps NFL/NBA have rules against owners supporting NIL.Yeah, it's not an NCAA issue, I believe it's an NFL/NBA rule
Most shocking Michigan performance on Saturday was someone that drove me nuts all season that I had no faith in.. Makari Paige and he was a game changer. His pick and his big hit on Howard really set a tone.the position move to nickel/box has benefited him greatly. he was atrocious at deep safety most of the year. which is wild because he was a very solid player the past couple of years. went back to being that by moving positions. I suspect Rod Moore's injury had a lot to do with it all.
He didn't really buy into the expectations. He doesn't like blocking and there were rumors that he didn't practice like he wanted to play. WRs for Cignetti have to block. Elijah Sarratt blocks like someone is trying to invade his house and he's blocking the entryway.well if he doesn't want to block that probably isn't a fit at Michigan. having said that, they need 6 foot+ WR's desperately.
Among the all the memorable images resulting from the latest great Ohio State-Michigan game - Sherrone Moore shooting a Bow and Arrow, Sherrone Moore waving at the Buckeyes crowd, opposing players getting separated from each other, cops targeting Mason Graham with pepper spray, a puzzled Ryan Day asking 'what happened?!' in the aftermath, his face like a bare ass slapped red - the best image might be this below. Which would make a great addition to the rotating banner photos on this site - we should ask @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1)!lol..one of my favorite posts this week. The bold part definitely made me laugh.
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