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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on November 27, 2023, 03:40:40 PM
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3 players entered the portal today.
OT Spencer Brown - always looked the part, never lived up to it. He announced prior to the PSU game it was his last. I think he probably winds up in the Draft
OLB Darius Snow - suffered a catastrophic knee injury in the opener last year, that it took him 13 months to "come back" from. He graduated in 3 years, and sounds like he will wrap up a masters this year. He was one of the top 3 players on the defense prior to injury. Post injury, he was one of the worst players on a bad defense. Guessing he is looking to transfer down so he can play
QB Katin Houser - I knew we were never keeping both, and I liked Leavitt's film better, but still was hoping to keep him. I think he was overrated as a recruit, but I think he would be a solid junior-senior QB, as unrealstic as that is now
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Some smoke that QB Aidan Chiles will follow Smith to MSU. He played in 9 games this year, and burned his redshirt, so he would slide into Houser's spot, with 3 years of eligibility left.
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DJ Uiagalelei still has his COVID year doesn't he?
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DJ Uiagalelei still has his COVID year doesn't he?
But he already transferred
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Kevin Wigenton also transferring. Started as a sophomore. Considering how bad this staff was, and the incoming OL coach had his OL as a Joe Moore finalist, I'm good with any OL who doesn't want to be a part of the new staff, not being a part of the new staff
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Well, also losing Leavitt, after preserving his redshirt for him sucks.
He basically said he loves MSU but doesn't want to play for a coach who didn't offer him out of high school.
I guess shouldn't have worried about preserving his redshirt these last 2 games. I wish him the best, but good luck finding a job as a Big 10/SEC QB1 next year. He threw one of those 30 jobs away out of spite
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But he already transferred
He could again if he graduated
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He could again if he graduated
I mean MSU isn't making the playoffs next year, so why bother? Take the younger Oregon State QB, and see if you can be relevant in a couple years. DJ might be the difference between 5-7 and 7-5 next year, which is irrelevant
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Good pick up for Smith did a good job with Oregon St.Ducks had to send a message to the committee but outside of that he did a very respectable job and knows the talent out there on the left coast
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Coach Smith is bringing a lot of his staff with him from Oregon State for the complete re-build. I hope he can tone down the intra-state hate a little.
https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/lists/tracker-every-new-michigan-state-football-staff-hire-under-new-head-coach-jonathan-smith/ (https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/lists/tracker-every-new-michigan-state-football-staff-hire-under-new-head-coach-jonathan-smith/)
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With Booger's looming departure that will happen by default
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Seems like every commit, who didn't already decommit following the coaching chance is sticking with it.
Most importantly, Nick Marsh, the top recruit in the class, has already reaffirmed he's in.
But still, only 8 remained. That puts MSU #17 of 18 (ahead of just Northwestern) in the 247 comp ratings, but when filtered by average star ranking, it's #10. Hopefully Smith brings some Oregon State commits with him, and now might be a good time to do what Colorado did, and hire a MAC coach as a coordinator. It's a pay bump, and they might know the midwest guys that Big Ten schools missed on. Either due to injury, or lack of camping, etc...
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Seems like every commit, who didn't already decommit following the coaching chance is sticking with it.
Most importantly, Nick Marsh, the top recruit in the class, has already reaffirmed he's in.
But still, only 8 remained. That puts MSU #17 of 18 (ahead of just Northwestern) in the 247 comp ratings, but when filtered by average star ranking, it's #10. Hopefully Smith brings some Oregon State commits with him, and now might be a good time to do what Colorado did, and hire a MAC coach as a coordinator. It's a pay bump, and they might know the midwest guys that Big Ten schools missed on. Either due to injury, or lack of camping, etc...
Bring him home?
Dan Enos - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Enos)
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Bring him home?
Dan Enos - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Enos)
God no
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Most importantly, Nick Marsh, the top recruit in the class, has already reaffirmed he's in.
He just gave an interview where he said when he visited Colorado for an unofficial, he never actually met Prime or the WR coach, so he cancelled his official
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😎 :cheer: 😎
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MSU's entire team except for Nathan Carter might be in the portal.
Coach fired 2 games in + 4-8 season + NIL collective pulls their deals due to lack of funding in early October = this
This is why, yes, Mel Tucker was a bad coach, but MSU would have been better off on the field not firing him. I stand by the decision to hire him in the pre-NIL era. But having a great recruiter doesn't help when you don't have the NIL funding of the helmets. And he always had to surround himself with good Xs and Os guys. He didn't. I think he would have had a chance to flip his staff. But no thanks. Don't feel like defending a POS like that
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God no
10 years ago he was considered a major pull for Bert. What happened? Seems like he's worked everywhere since then.
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When Bert hired him he had never been an OC at the FBS level. He was a head coach at CMU, and a position coach at MSU. He track record as an OC hasn't been great.
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Perfect
https://twitter.com/timstaudt10/status/1730727471991980380?t=BHRGqJ0FVwFiEKJluNlywg&s=19
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Sounds like MSU is closing in on former Washington DC and HC Jimmy Lake as DC. Was pretty good as a DC (and recruiter), was pretty bad as a HC
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https://twitter.com/Beav0060718/status/1732140925063921950?t=dYOpeIDsESdH0iM1NuQ9wQ&s=19
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Sounds like MSU is closing in on former Washington DC and HC Jimmy Lake as DC. Was pretty good as a DC (and recruiter), was pretty bad as a HC
Would be a great hire
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Minnesota DC Joe Rossi is the new DC at Michigan State.
Great hire for MSU, huge loss for the Gophers.
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MSU has more money than Minnesoota?
or something more dramatic?
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Got that coin back from Mel's misadventure
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MSU has more money than Minnesoota?
or something more dramatic?
money
rich get richer great hire
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MSU has more money than Minnesoota?
or something more dramatic?
they gave Mel Tucker a $100mil contract for christ sake.
yes, they have more money than Minnesota. MSU has very wealthy donors that will pony up for the football program.
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3 OL withdrew from the portal yesterday.
Not that MSU's OL was anything great, but (a) on the line I'll take as many D1 bodies as you can take and (b) they don't have Kap just collecting a paycheck "coaching" them anymore
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That's good news.
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Oops
https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/1734977708034023930?t=GpbEqs5zERZk9LWihYsw9w&s=19
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Some smoke that QB Aidan Chiles will follow Smith to MSU. He played in 9 games this year, and burned his redshirt, so he would slide into Houser's spot, with 3 years of eligibility left.
Committed to MSU
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Seems like MSU basically took all of the Oregon State players they could. Added their 2nd team AA center today.
And as a decent backup QB, they added Tommy Shuster, who was a 4 year starter at North Dakota. This year was 208-294 (70.7%) with 19 TDs and 5 INTs
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Bump off the cads down the road maybe
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ok this made me lmao....
https://twitter.com/sarge__msu/status/1744693978610471068?s=20
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ok this made me lmao....
https://twitter.com/sarge__msu/status/1744693978610471068?s=20
I miss the days of JLS, where we'd upset a team or two, and the Big Ten champ went nowhere
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Anyone know what Coach Smith's middle name is?
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Loser
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CB Tony Grimes, who missed last year injured, and was transferring in from Texas A&M, was denied admissions, and is apparently headed to UNLV instead.
Not sure why we can't just say he isn't playing in road games
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It's funny how the winds change. Late Dantonio, MSUs recruiting was awful. Not like #5 in the Big Ten, with some finds. They were literally just trying to flip MAC recruits.
So with Mel, they went all in on talent acquisition. NIL and the portal certainly threw a wrench in that. I think, on that end, he did what he was expected to do. He upgraded the recruiting, although NIL has kind of made good recruiters relics.
Now, Jonathan Smith's staff seem to be all true coaches. Their recruiting track records are extremely bad. So MSU is back in early Dantonio era I guess. Trying to coach kids up. Problem is, you have to be good at identifying talent, and would you rather just hit the portal, than bet on your evaluation that a kid finally hits in his 4th year, as a RS junior
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MSU finalizes their coaching staff by poaching DB coach Demetrice Martin (an MSU alum) from Oregon
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Louisiana dropped our game with them next year, and the replacement on short notice is...
Prairie View A&M?
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Seems like MSU basically took all of the Oregon State players they could. Added their 2nd team AA center today.
And as a decent backup QB, they added Tommy Shuster, who was a 4 year starter at North Dakota. This year was 208-294 (70.7%) with 19 TDs and 5 INTs
Fleecing OSU3 for coaches and players?
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/610aec5190cbf577be327936/a59aa5a0-b1ff-404b-94ab-c43851a5dae8/bold.jpg)
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MSU hires alum Kayli Johnson as director of recruiting communications. She's the older sister of UM CB Will Johnson, and had already turned down both Michigan and Alabama for the same job title this offseason. She worked in MSU's recruiting department for a couple years after graduating under Dantonio
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Nice pickup there.
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I think MSU made a pretty good hire, and I get why he left, but man, this sucks. Even as a beneficiary, knowing that we are <10 years away from MSU being on the other end of this, when they aren't in the 20 team mega conference
https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1777795091383386412
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Heh, "last stop". Sure
https://twitter.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1782220719859855417?t=fFshcpJgqLVKQJFssYaYvw&s=19
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Andrew Dennis, who was committed to MSU, but flipped to Illinois, then apparently won the starting C job coming out of camp as a true freshman (per the Illinois 247 writer), has instead entered the portal, and may be coming back to MSU.
Even when it benefits MSU, I hate this thing. Seems like neither of his flips are NIL related. He flipped from MSU to Illinois due to the MSU coaching change, and having an existing relationship with the Illinois staff, and now (as an early enrollee) being a homesick 17 year old who wants to go back home. So now, a kid who committed to MSU, went through spring camp, finds out he's getting jumped in the depth chart. A kid who Illinois passed on to take Dennis, could have had that spot all along.
The CBA can't come soon enough
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Ethan Boyd gets passed over at LT, then turns out he skips spring practice for mental health issues, and is either going to quit football, or transfer down. Then today he commits to Coach Prime. Better show out, or Deion will trash him on Twitter as is his MO now
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Big Ten Coaches Talk Anonymously About Conference Foes for 2024
Michigan State
"[Jonathan] Smith is a great coach, and his offense can really be effective in the Big Ten, but it will be a bumpy transition after the few years that roster has lived through."
"This is a staff that does more with less, which is why they were so good at the last place, but I think there’s a resistance from some people at MSU to go back to that [Mark] D’Antonio mentality."
"I think they’re bracing for a lot of turnover through the portal windows. They’ve brought over the Oregon State QB [Aidan Chiles] who will probably be their starter."
"The run game was really bad last year; they need to put everything they can into getting some balance for that offense to be successful in Year 1."
"This is a big transition year. The culture change from [Mel] Tucker to Smith is pretty massive.”
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Probably similarish to last year. 4 or 5 wins
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Apparently Fleck told Rossi to take the MSU job after Minnesota refused to match the contract
https://twitter.com/madkenney/status/1816540024000934191?t=GpyBZu-RLbC9fu1dDxWuEw&s=19
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I have no idea what to expect from Michigan State this year except that they will be better than last year. How much better is anyone's guess.
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I'm not sure they'll be better. The offense should be better, but the DL transfers are very concerning
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Tugger finally filed his lawsuit today
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Got to hand it to him tosses off then tells the USA Today while on the company dime. They got the confession he prolly took care of the evidence.Gotta belief his counsel is asking for payment up front
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Got to hand it to him tosses off then tells the USA Today while on the company dime. They got the confession he prolly took care of the evidence.Gotta belief his counsel is asking for payment up front
I figured they would settle
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What’s to make of Michigan State at 2-0?
Jonathan Smith already has Michigan State playing like a team – a very good sign. The Spartans defensive front seven played well, especially in week 1 Vs Florida Atlantic. Both wins have looked different – which is a good sign? In last Saturday’s 27-24 win on the road Vs Maryland, QB Aiden Chiles threw for an unexpectedly good stat-line: 24/39 363yds, 3TDs/3INTs.
After this Saturday’s cupcake home game Vs Prairie View A&M, Michigan State faces a rough stretch of @Boston College, Ohio State, @Oregon, Iowa, and @Michigan – all five already ranked at some point this season.
Still, for a Spartans team picked to finish near the bottom of the conference, to begin the season 2-0 (3-0?) and jumpstart contending for a bowl, this has to be as good of an opening act for the Jonathan Smith era as fans could’ve hoped for. And watching my share of Oregon State before Jonathan Smith left for MSU, I can say his teams tend to play better as the season moves along.
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I figured they had to win 3 of the first 4 and 3 of the last 4 to have a shot at a bowl, because I figured the 4 in the middle was a guaranteed 0-4.
Assuming they take care of Prairie View, they've done the first part. And it's good they beat Maryland, because BC looks better than expected. Granted Iowa doesn't look as good as expected, so maybe at home, that's not the guaranteed loss it was supposed to be.
Curious to see how Indiana looks in Pasadena, because most people had MSU and IU as their bottom two in the conference, but so far, I think both look better than expected.
I did say I think MSU's starting groups were better at every spot other than DL than they were last year, but the depth was scary thin. They just had their 5th player suffer a 6+ week injury, so things could fall off a cliff quickly.
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Both starting guards out for the year, from an already shitty OL
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Taken out in the last two games
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https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1835000478268060031?t=WAlAdE1AaaesI-85BvHlXQ&s=19
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MSUs former OC now at Wyoming
https://twitter.com/alex_m_taylor22/status/1835352902329901097?t=O26kRN5C6-YtBoWo9H0sBw&s=19
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right in there with Brian Ferentz
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Looks like the Ohio State @MSU game on Sept. 28th will be on Peacock streaming exclusively.
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is this the first time for tOSU?
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Looks like the Ohio State @MSU game on Sept. 28th will be on Peacock streaming exclusively.
The harder it is to see, the better. We actually have a wedding that night, the rare time I'm good with a fall wedding
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Close at halftime until BC takes over: 31-13
A shorthanded Michigan State squad played much better than I expected, surprisingly controlling lengthy stretches of the game Vs what I thought would be a more physical, forceful Boston College playing at home. MSU's front seven, which (IMO) has been their best unit thus far this season, kept BC QB Castellanos on his heels much of the game, giving BC's offense a degree of trouble they hadn't yet faced this season. Coach Jonathan Smith and staff have the roster playing hard and playing complete games, which I didn't see with the previous regime. Despite the depleted OL and WR corps, both held up well, with TE Velling stepping up as a pressure relief for Chiles, catching 6 passes. Unfortunately for Michigan State, their close loss came down to losing the TO battle, w/ Chiles tossing 3 picks.
Even with all the good signs to start 3-1, I still see the Spartans ceiling at 6-6. As conference play picks up there are no freebies left on the schedule.
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Yeah, 6-6 would be fine by me. I said they had to go 3-1 in the first four and last four to have a shot.
Indiana, Illinois and Rutgers all look far better than expected. So getting 2 of those looks a lot tougher than it did in August, even assuming they handle business at home against Purdue.