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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 07:34:26 AM
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Ohio State opens as 3.5 point favorites on the road. Kyle McCord and Marv finally got it going a little bit, they seem to be building some chemistry which is a good thing for Ohio State. Notre Dame is at home and a little more battle tested in terms of competition and experience at QB. Hartman is legit- I really think he's going to be a Heisman contender in NYC this year.
This one will be the game of the week. I think ND not only covers that but wins outright.
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Both teams have a lot of talent but I think Notre Dame wins this game with the difference being the experience at QB.
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Both teams have a lot of talent but I think Notre Dame wins this game with the difference being the experience at QB.
not only is Hartman far more experienced but the game is at home at night for ND. That's a big advantage. McCord has never started a real road game (all due respect to IU), especially not one at night.
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I had this circled as one of the possible 3-4 games tOSU could lose in '23. Feeling a little bit better after another game under the belt albeit vs an over matched opponent. Denzel Burke is starting to look real good at corner. DBs collectively looking solid and good tackling bunch so far. RBs Henderson 6.4 ypc,Trayanum 7ypc,Williams 4.1 ypc have been money . WRs Egbuka 13.9 ypc,Harrison 21 ypc,TE Stover & FR. Carnell Tate both at 18.8 ypc (3 apiece) but still.Tyleik Williams has emerged on the D-Line so far also has 2 sacks and been in on a bunch of tackles. We shall see as ND always seems to be good on the O-Line. I'll have to switch from Oktoberfests to coffee around 5-6 PM should be a good contest looking forward to it like Texas/Bama with the road team coming out on top 😎
Didn't know this was Hartman's 6th season - should have went to Georgia FFS
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OSU will unleash the beast.
34-17 Buckeyes.
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OSU will unleash the beast.
34-17 Buckeyes.
will be shocked if that happens. Ohio State was in a dog fight with them in Columbus last year- and that was with a much better QB and OL and Tyler Buchner at QB for Notre Dame.
This one is at home for ND and at night. And well, Sam Hartman is most definitely not Tyler Buchner.
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Georgia 20-19 Notre Dame (Sep 9, 2017) Final Score - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400933845)
The Dawgs were started a freshman QB as well and prevailed, barely.
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I see OSU getting their wake up call on Saturday, and find out that they are not that good.
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Georgia 20-19 Notre Dame (Sep 9, 2017) Final Score - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400933845)
The Dawgs were started a freshman QB as well and prevailed, barely.
Wrong thread your 15 minutes are up - at least until January
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I see OSU getting their wake up call on Saturday, and find out that they are not that good.
Hmm could be right but WTH - ND lost to the Thundering Herd last seaon and to a very bad Stanford Team so there's a chance
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Georgia 20-19 Notre Dame (Sep 9, 2017) Final Score - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/400933845)
The Dawgs were started a freshman QB as well and prevailed, barely.
Kyle McCord is not a freshman. He's a 21-year old RS Sophomore who was the backup QB last year and has been in that system for 3 years. Jake Fromm for UGA was an actual 18-year old straight outta HS true freshman that year in 2017. Way different scenario and super impressive that he actually pulled off the win.
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I see OSU getting their wake up call on Saturday, and find out that they are not that good.
it'll be a close game. Ohio State very well might win- it's a pick 'em game. Toss-up. If Ohio State wins- they deserve to be ranked in the top 3 imo. That'll have been the best win on the season for anyone. If they lose- well Ohio State is still a really good team. They just would have lost to another really good team on the road at night. Those are not easy games to win. Just ask Tennessee.
I just think ND is a lot better than anyone was giving them credit for pre-season. They have a really solid defense, a really good OL highlighted by the best LT in the country (sorry Olu Fashanu- you're overrated son), and Sam Hartman was probably the most important transfer portal player any team got this off-season. He's changed life for that team similar to KWIII for MSU in '21. Hartman just really really freaking good imo. Guy is a DUDE at QB. Something ND hasn't had in looooong ass time.
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I think both teams are very good. Ohio State is a "no duh" candidate for that description, but I think this is a ND team that's not just the usual hype, but rather has substance. Should be a really great game to watch
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I think both teams are very good. Ohio State is a "no duh" candidate for that description, but I think this is a ND team that's not just hype, and has substance. Should be a really great game to watch
agreed. both teams are very good. Hartman has taken ND to the next level. They were a top 15-20ish team last year without him. He's elevated them up into a real playoff contender this year.
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I hate all the FCS games.
I thought that *MAYBE* we were deep enough into the season to start to be able to identify patterns by looking at results compared to the results of other teams that played the same opponent.
We would be if it weren't for all the crap FCS games.
Problem #1 is that both tOSU (YSU) and Notre Dame (TNST) have played an FCS opponent.
Problem #2 is that all seven of tOSU's and ND's opponents have played an FCS opponent so that doesn't leave much in the way of comparable results.
For Ohio State:
Their 23-3 win over IU and their 63-10 win over WKU were the most points scored against and the fewest points allowed to both teams.
For Notre Dame, their results were also the best against their FBS opponents except:
- NCST scored the same against UCONN
- UNH scored more against CMU
- MSU allowed less to CMU
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Ohio State 27
Notre Dame 24
Book it Danl.
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Ohio State 27
Notre Dame 24
Book it Danl.
looks about right to me but flip the scores. think it's gonna be a really close game. either team can win it, it's a real pick 'em imo. think ND will get it done bc of Hartman and his experience and bc it's at home at night.
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ESPN gives Ohio State a 66% chance to beat ND. Makes me feel way better now about my ND pick.
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I'm not sure that you can learn anything from FCS games but if you can:
Ohio State beat YSU 35-7. In YSU's other two games they scored 52 and 48 while giving up 10 and 28.
Notre Dame beat TnSt 56-3. In TnSt's other two games they scored 24 and 27 while giving up 14 and 25.
It looks like Notre Dame had a better score (both offensively and defensively) but Ohio State played a better FCS team. That is all kinda hazy and a guess so I don't think you can make any significant distinction.
In their games against actual FBS opponents:
(https://i.imgur.com/OGVfvSa.png)
Ohio State looks the shakiest when you compare their performance against IU to Louisville's performance against IU. Louisville scored almost as much and gave up almost as little. Also, in both cases the Hoosiers never led. The difference is that Indiana scored both of their TD's against Lousiville in the third quarter so the entire fourth quarter of the IU/Lousiville game was a one-score game and on Indiana's last possession against the Cardinals they drove all the way to the Louisville one yard line. Louisville stopped them on a 4th and goal at the 1. In the IU/tOSU game the Buckeyes held a two-score lead throughout the 4th quarter and almost the entire second half so the game was barely in doubt past halftime.
Ohio State looks best when you compare their performance against WKY. The Hilltoppers have an otherwise prolific offense that has averaged 46.5 against opponents not named tOSU. The Buckeyes held them to 10. The Hilltoppers D hasn't been awful either. They gave up 24 to USF and tOSU nearly tripled that.
Notre Dame looks shakiest when you compare their performance against CMU. The Chippewas were held to less by MSU and scored gave up more against New Hampshire.
Notre Dame looks best when you compare their performance against Navy.
I really don't think there are enough data points here to make anything out of this.
Ohio State looks better than InSt, Louisville, USF, and Houston Christian. Notre Dame looks better than Wagner, Memphis, UCONN, VMI, MSU, and New Hampshire. Well that doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.
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Kyle McCord is not a freshman. He's a 21-year old RS Sophomore who was the backup QB last year and has been in that system for 3 years. Jake Fromm for UGA was an actual 18-year old straight outta HS true freshman that year in 2017. Way different scenario and super impressive that he actually pulled off the win.
Jake From Allstate is/was a way better QB than Kyle "stares down first read only" McCord.
ND goes up big early; OSU makes it look less embarrassing in the 4th quarter.
31-17 Bad Guys.
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Jake From Allstate is/was a way better QB than Kyle "stares down first read only" McCord.
ND goes up big early; OSU makes it look less embarrassing in the 4th quarter.
31-17 Bad Guys.
You may prove right about the game- I don’t know. Seems like a toss up to me??
But about McCord- wow. Your narrative is so far off the facts.
In his first start where you got first team reps you go 19 of 23 for over 300 yards, 3 TDS and no picks. 83% completion rate.
You can’t do that unless you are extremely talented- I don’t care who the other team is.
Many of those passes were his second or third read. Strong and accurate arm- he has all the throws.
Of course he locks onto his first read at times, but what do you expect with really just a couple games under his belt? CJ Stroud was exactly the same in his second and third start. In fact, people wanted him benched for Kyle Mccord.
yes- a night game at ND is tough for a new QB- so Hartman - a 6th year guy- will likely be better. But McCord is showing all the signs of a rapidly improving Tier 1 Power 5 QB.
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You may prove right about the game- I don’t know. Seems like a toss up to me??
But about McCord- wow. Your narrative is so far off the facts.
In his first start where you got first team reps you go 19 of 23 for over 300 yards, 3 TDS and no picks. 83% completion rate.
You can’t do that unless you are extremely talented- I don’t care who the other team is.
Many of those passes were his second or third read. Strong and accurate arm- he has all the throws.
Of course he locks onto his first read at times, but what do you expect with really just a couple games under his belt? CJ Stroud was exactly the same in his second and third start. In fact, people wanted him benched for Kyle Mccord.
yes- a night game at ND is tough for a new QB- so Hartman - a 6th year guy- will likely be better. But McCord is showing all the signs of a rapidly improving Tier 1 Power 5 QB.
agree with all this. it's a toss up game, flip a coin. should be a great game.
his post = just typical crazy buckeye fandom. McCord is a good college QB. he ain't bad. not every QB is going to be CJ Stroud and a top 3 pick. OSU fans just been spoiled by elite QB play under Day.
might seem like it as of late for Buckeye fans, but elite QB's don't grow on trees. Fields was a freak athlete and Stroud might've been the most insanely accurate college QB I've seen in a minute. his ball placement was literally insane- the spots he could put the ball- unreal. McCord ain't ever going to be those guys. and he doesn't have to be. he just has to not turn the ball over and keep the offense on schedule.
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McCord ain't ever going to be those guys.
You are probably right but he's started three games. I don't think we can authoritatively say what his ceiling is yet.
he doesn't have to be. he just has to not turn the ball over and keep the offense on schedule.
This is especially true if Ohio State's defense and rushing game are elite or near-elite.
Dude had NFL receivers (plural) and at least one NFL TE to throw to. If he also has an NFL RB, a good OL, and a defense that is at least close to elite then he just needs to be good to win every game on the schedule.
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You are probably right but he's started three games. I don't think we can authoritatively say what his ceiling is yet. This is especially true if Ohio State's defense and rushing game are elite or near-elite.
Dude had NFL receivers (plural) and at least one NFL TE to throw to. If he also has an NFL RB, a good OL, and a defense that is at least close to elite then he just needs to be good to win every game on the schedule.
well he's never going to be an athletic freak that runs a 4.4 and can rip off a 50 yard run like Fields and I don't see the insane level of accuracy and ball placement that Stroud had. And I honestly think that's a gift- you can't really coach that or develop that- guys either have it or they don't- and you'd be seeing that by now 3 years into his career. This isn't the first year he's ever thrown a pass...
I think he's already pretty good with potential to be very good. He doesn't have to be Fields or Stroud for them to win every game. Hell Peyton Manning left and the very next year Tennessee won a natty with freaking Tee Martin, and Peyton is oh....only on the short list of 3-5 guys for greatest QB ever.
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You may prove right about the game- I don’t know. Seems like a toss up to me??
But about McCord- wow. Your narrative is so far off the facts.
In his first start where you got first team reps you go 19 of 23 for over 300 yards, 3 TDS and no picks. 83% completion rate.
You can’t do that unless you are extremely talented- I don’t care who the other team is.
Many of those passes were his second or third read. Strong and accurate arm- he has all the throws.
Of course he locks onto his first read at times, but what do you expect with really just a couple games under his belt? CJ Stroud was exactly the same in his second and third start. In fact, people wanted him benched for Kyle Mccord.
yes- a night game at ND is tough for a new QB- so Hartman - a 6th year guy- will likely be better. But McCord is showing all the signs of a rapidly improving Tier 1 Power 5 QB.
Way to Cherry Pick a Stat to skew a narrative. Dude is 69% on the season against patsies.
This is the first game that he plays a defense with a pulse. I don't think he, nor the O-line, is any where near good enough to make this a competitive game.
I'd love to be wrong, and I will happily eat crow if I am. But I've not seen an amazing QB (yet.)
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Way to Cherry Pick a Stat to skew a narrative. Dude is 69% on the season against patsies.
This is the first game that he plays a defense with a pulse. I don't think he, nor the O-line, is any where near good enough to make this a competitive game.
I'd love to be wrong, and I will happily eat crow if I am. But I've not seen an amazing QB (yet.)
well, everyone in the top 5-10 has played nothing but patsies thus far except for Texas and FSU. And even then vs the patsies Texas and FSU both fell asleep at the wheel and really only showed up for 60 mins and played to their potential when they were facing competition level on par with themselves in Bama & LSU. ND did play NC State on the road and spanked them which is a decent team. PSU did play at Illinois- but Illinois truly sucks on offense this year and that was kind of a struggle bus for much of the game. No one has looked amazing yet.
These are 18-22 year old human kids....they 100000000% play up and down to competition level. They know most of these teams they'll beat by 4 TD's even on cruise control. Most of the games vs the patsies- they probably don't even want to be there anymore than we don't really wanna watch. We have to watch bc we're fanatics- and they have to play because well....they are players on the team lol.
Washington who seems to be the media darling at the moment has also played absolutely nobody. They have been getting a lot of love for beating down Sparty in East Lansing- but Sparty is god damn terrible. They might be the worst team in the B1G this year. They aren't going to win very many more games the rest of the way, they have very little NFL talent on that roster, a truly terrible QB and OL, and oh yeah they also don't have a head coach because he was tuggin his meat on the phone with the sexual assault lady.
Ohio State is a really good team. McCord is a good QB. And we'll find out more about them this Saturday when they take on ND.
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Way to Cherry Pick a Stat to skew a narrative. Dude is 69% on the season against patsies.
This is the first game that he plays a defense with a pulse. I don't think he, nor the O-line, is any where near good enough to make this a competitive game.
I'd love to be wrong, and I will happily eat crow if I am. But I've not seen an amazing QB (yet.)
Cherry pick a stat? Seriously?
you throw a sweeping generalization out there based on your interpretation, calling him, basically the worst quarterback in college football. And of course you back it up with no stats or facts.
I come back and share an actual, factual statistic from the last game, which is the first game where he was declared the starter and had first team reps during the week.
He has already climb to second in the conference in pass efficiency ( second only to McCarthy who has yet to play a road game or conference game and who threw 3 interceptions las game against a MAC School), 2nd in TD passes, 3rd in yards per game ( he hasn’t come close to playing a whole game).
What were you expecting? Or were you one of those people who wanted CJ Stroud benched after his second start? There were LOTS of them.
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Well he did say he'd love to be wrong and happily eat crow if he was so there is that
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well he's never going to be an athletic freak that runs a 4.4 and can rip off a 50 yard run like Fields and I don't see the insane level of accuracy and ball placement that Stroud had. And I honestly think that's a gift- you can't really coach that or develop that- guys either have it or they don't- and you'd be seeing that by now 3 years into his career. This isn't the first year he's ever thrown a pass...
I think he's already pretty good with potential to be very good. He doesn't have to be Fields or Stroud for them to win every game. Hell Peyton Manning left and the very next year Tennessee won a natty with freaking Tee Martin, and Peyton is oh....only on the short list of 3-5 guys for greatest QB ever.
Greatest ever to never beat Florida too.
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never beat Nebraska
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Yeesh.....why does this game have to be at the same time as both the LSU and Texas games?
YTTV better come up with an acceptable split-screen for this time slot. I like that new feature this year, but I wish you could pick your games and build your own split-screen. They offer a lot of combinations, but never exactly the one I want.
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well he's never going to be an athletic freak that runs a 4.4 and can rip off a 50 yard run like Fields and I don't see the insane level of accuracy and ball placement that Stroud had. And I honestly think that's a gift- you can't really coach that or develop that- guys either have it or they don't- and you'd be seeing that by now 3 years into his career. This isn't the first year he's ever thrown a pass...
I think he's already pretty good with potential to be very good. He doesn't have to be Fields or Stroud for them to win every game. Hell Peyton Manning left and the very next year Tennessee won a natty with freaking Tee Martin, and Peyton is oh....only on the short list of 3-5 guys for greatest QB ever.
Good observations I like the last part so I wouldn't be to upset about that - a team rather than individual accolades. But there are some knuckle draggers in AA and the SEC standing in the way.Have to get North of South Bend 1st that will be telling
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Let's Go Buckeyes!
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Huge game for both sides.
I know a lot of people around here don't like Joel Klatt as an announcer but I happen to like his show. He had some interesting thoughts on Notre Dame. He started by pointing out Notre Dame's record against top teams and since 1993 it has been UGLY. The Irish simply haven't been at a NC level in ~30 years.
Some will say that they beat Clemson and made the CFP in 2020 and that they played in a BCSNCG. Ok, but they were huge underdogs in those games AND lost as expected. Oh, and the Clemson game that they won was at home at night, and with Clemson's star QB out due to Covid, and ND still only barely won, and that Clemson team got drilled in the CFP.
So for Notre Dame this is a chance to make a statement that they can actually play with the big boys. On the flip side, if they lose the perception will be that this is just another pretty good Notre Dame team that can win a lot of games against service academies and whatnot but can't actually compete on the bug stage.
Ohio State is in a weird situation. All but two or maybe three programs in the country can only wish that their 2021-2023 were as good as Ohio State's and yet in Columbus fans are grumbling. Ryan Day has close to a .900 record at Ohio State. He is:
- 48-6 overall, .888 and
- 32-2 in B1G games, .941.
As good as those numbers are, there is a substantial segment of the tOSU fanbase that would counter that since the CFP Semi-final win over Clemson in the Covid year he is 0-2 against Michigan, 0-2 in CFP games, hasn't won a B1G title, and his only even arguably big game wins were in a consolation Rose Bowl and over a Notre Dame team that lost the next week to Marshall.
A win here would go a long way towards dispelling the growing narrative around Ryan Day that he can't win the big game.
This game is also a potentially HUGE game for CFP inclusion not just for the two teams involved but also for the teams that they will play later:
- 10/14 #5 USC visits ND
- 10/21 #7 PSU visits tOSU
- 11/4 Clemson hosts ND
- 11/25 #2 M hosts tOSU
USC is a lot better off if Notre Dame wins, PSU/M are a lot better off if Ohio State wins.
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Huge game for both sides.
I know a lot of people around here don't like Joel Klatt as an announcer but I happen to like his show. He had some interesting thoughts on Notre Dame. He started by pointing out Notre Dame's record against top teams and since 1993 it has been UGLY. The Irish simply haven't been at a NC level in ~30 years.
Same-same about Klatt like the show,take/leave him/gus as an anouncers. They are not on the nauseating level of Danielson,certainly no Blackledge,McDonough,Nessler either. I think this ND team has some traction so at home under the lights I'll ignore the recent big game results. Sam Hartman will determine where this defense is. Also we should find out ALOT about QB & OTs.
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EDIT: Estime is a beast perhaps the best RB in the country
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Huge game for both sides.
I know a lot of people around here don't like Joel Klatt as an announcer but I happen to like his show. He had some interesting thoughts on Notre Dame. He started by pointing out Notre Dame's record against top teams and since 1993 it has been UGLY. The Irish simply haven't been at a NC level in ~30 years.
Some will say that they beat Clemson and made the CFP in 2020 and that they played in a BCSNCG. Ok, but they were huge underdogs in those games AND lost as expected. Oh, and the Clemson game that they won was at home at night, and with Clemson's star QB out due to Covid, and ND still only barely won, and that Clemson team got drilled in the CFP.
So for Notre Dame this is a chance to make a statement that they can actually play with the big boys. On the flip side, if they lose the perception will be that this is just another pretty good Notre Dame team that can win a lot of games against service academies and whatnot but can't actually compete on the bug stage.
Ohio State is in a weird situation. All but two or maybe three programs in the country can only wish that their 2021-2023 were as good as Ohio State's and yet in Columbus fans are grumbling. Ryan Day has close to a .900 record at Ohio State. He is:
- 48-6 overall, .888 and
- 32-2 in B1G games, .941.
As good as those numbers are, there is a substantial segment of the tOSU fanbase that would counter that since the CFP Semi-final win over Clemson in the Covid year he is 0-2 against Michigan, 0-2 in CFP games, hasn't won a B1G title, and his only even arguably big game wins were in a consolation Rose Bowl and over a Notre Dame team that lost the next week to Marshall.
A win here would go a long way towards dispelling the growing narrative around Ryan Day that he can't win the big game.
This game is also a potentially HUGE game for CFP inclusion not just for the two teams involved but also for the teams that they will play later:
- 10/14 #5 USC visits ND
- 10/21 #7 PSU visits tOSU
- 11/4 Clemson hosts ND
- 11/25 #2 M hosts tOSU
USC is a lot better off if Notre Dame wins, PSU/M are a lot better off if Ohio State wins.
It’s funny how fickle fan base can be.
“Big games” are only the few they lost. They don’t count wins against Penn State on the Road, Big ten title games, etc. They also forget- his record against UM includes 1 win outright, 1 forfeit by Harbaugh, and 3 years as the Offensive Coordinator when OSU smoked Michigan.
Day damn near walked into Georgia’s back yard last year and took him down- WITHOUT his best WR( Smith-Njigba), his best 3 RBs ( Henderson, Williams and Pryor,) His best TE ( Stover left game in Q1) and his best active WR injured before Q4.
In addition to that he is clean on rules and recruiting as well as his personal life, beloved by families of players and players, and great with media. He is a hell of a coach.
As to this game V ND- like everyone already said we will learn a lot about both teams. Assuming it’s a close game I don’t think either team would be eliminated from playoff contention given who they both have remaining on their schedule.
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It’s funny how fickle fan base can be.
“Big games” are only the few they lost. They don’t count wins against Penn State on the Road, Big ten title games, etc. They also forget- his record against UM includes 1 win outright, 1 forfeit by Harbaugh, and 3 years as the Offensive Coordinator when OSU smoked Michigan.
Day damn near walked into Georgia’s back yard last year and took him down- WITHOUT his best WR( Smith-Njigba), his best 3 RBs ( Henderson, Williams and Pryor,) His best TE ( Stover left game in Q1) and his best active WR injured before Q4.
In addition to that he is clean on rules and recruiting as well as his personal life, beloved by families of players and players, and great with media. He is a hell of a coach.
As to this game V ND- like everyone already said we will learn a lot about both teams. Assuming it’s a close game I don’t think either team would be eliminated from playoff contention given who they both have remaining on their schedule.
Agreed on all counts except that I would clarify your last paragraph. Yes, either team *COULD* make the playoff with a close loss here but that is no guarantee AND it completely eliminates their margin for error.
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Agreed on all counts except that I would clarify your last paragraph. Yes, either team *COULD* make the playoff with a close loss here but that is no guarantee AND it completely eliminates their margin for error.
You’re likely correct. I think even if they win- they would have to win the conference to get in- so that doesn’t change. But they could Lose to ND, lose another game and be a 2 loss conference champ, and not get in.
But that’s getting way ahead of it- we still have no real idea if they have that level of potential. Tough schedule even after this weekend.
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Huge game for both sides.
I know a lot of people around here don't like Joel Klatt as an announcer but I happen to like his show. He had some interesting thoughts on Notre Dame. He started by pointing out Notre Dame's record against top teams and since 1993 it has been UGLY. The Irish simply haven't been at a NC level in ~30 years.
I don't mind Klatt as an announcer at all. I used to not like his partner, Gus, because of how his voice gets when a big play happens or somebody scores. But over time I've come to like Gus' excitement and together I think they're a good representation of cfb and its lack of sterility compared to the NFL.
This should be by far the best game of the weekend and one of the best, if not the best, ooc matchup of the year. I'll be surprised if one team hammers the other, but....sometimes those things happen.
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It’s funny how fickle fan base can be.
Day damn near walked into Georgia’s back yard last year and took him down- WITHOUT his best WR( Smith-Njigba)
I agree with your post except that,he wasn't the best but if he played that stretches things out exponentially for CJ. Marv has the size/speed and can out position or jump DBs .JSN had a great 2021 no doubt but that is because Wilson or Olave were getting double teamed - both going 10 and 11 in the 1st rd the following May
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Very interesting to see the opposite takes from OsU fans because it’s the exact conversations happening in my office this week.
Is McCord and the offensive line not that good and only looked flashy versus terrible opponents. Going to learn a lot tomorrow. Coming into the season I thought McCord was subpar, but he’s looked pretty sharper the last two weeks. Should be a great game. Looking forward to this one.
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Go Irish!
Gag
Ohio State 24
Notre Dame 35
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Go Irish!
Gag
Ohio State 24
Notre Dame 35
We'll screw you TOO being scarlett & gray also - Go KNIGHTS
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I see OSU getting their wake up call on Saturday, and find out that they are not that good.
How do you feel now?
It is interesting because I'm enjoying the win but frankly not feeling great.
I was hoping that tOSU would have a NC Contender this year and it doesn't look like it now. Realistically, NC Contenders shouldn't be in a close game with ND (at least not in the last ~30 years).
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How do you feel now?
It is interesting because I'm enjoying the win but frankly not feeling great.
I was hoping that tOSU would have a NC Contender this year and it doesn't look like it now. Realistically, NC Contenders shouldn't be in a close game with ND (at least not in the last ~30 years).
In the end, that was literally a game of about 3". It was an epic finish!
As a freshman HS player, over 50-years ago, I remember a goal line stand where I think I was on the D-Line, protecting our turf on 4-downs inside the 3-yard line, and I don't know how we did it, but we did it. It wasn't just me; we had others; we had a linebacker behind me who would later lead the Big Ten in tackles. He could plug holes, but not every hole. It takes a team.
Ohio State was the team, tonight.
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Did you play for Polk Senior High?
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No. We were conference champions in a 4-way tie my senior year, defeating each team that tied for conference champion. We didn't make the playoff which caused the playoff criteria to change the next year to allow the conference champion of each conference to be in the playoff, and the tiebreaker would have been Dubuque Hempstead, if the later rules applied, my high school. About 2-4 years after I graduated my high school team played for the state championship against Barry Alvarez's Mason City High team.
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How do you feel now?
It is interesting because I'm enjoying the win but frankly not feeling great.
I was hoping that tOSU would have a NC Contender this year and it doesn't look like it now. Realistically, NC Contenders shouldn't be in a close game with ND (at least not in the last ~30 years).
Well, I have no idea if they can reach the level of a national title contender.
But to go into that type of environment, against what appears to be a very excellent team ( maybe the best offensive line and QB they will see all year), with that starting at Qb for just the fourth time, says a lot about the team psychology.
to hold Notre Dame to 14 points in their own house on a Saturday night tells me that the Defense is amazing. Our quarterback passed for more yards than theirs did. And we match them on yards per carry.
After the game in Jack, Sawyer mentioned that that was the most physical office of line he had ever played against
you know, their offense will improve as the season moves along and find more rhythm.
The only thing you can ask, is what I said before the season started. I think they will be a tough out for any team. They play at any time.
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I was hoping that tOSU would have a NC Contender this year and it doesn't look like it now. Realistically, NC Contenders shouldn't be in a close game with ND (at least not in the last ~30 years).
The Dawgs just edged ND in 2017 and played in the NC game. No team, to me, looks all that great this year, but it's early yet.
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So true.
The last 2 seasons in which OSU won the NC, nobody on earth thought they were contenders after 4 games- or even 7-8 games. And they weren’t.
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I think early in every year "we" tend to think our team might not be all that great. It's football, things go up and down, duh, and "we" over react.
I couldn't point to a team at the moment I think was firing on all cylinders. But any win is a W especially on the road against a ranked team.
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No. We were conference champions in a 4-way tie my senior year, defeating each team that tied for conference champion.
That was tongue in cheek reference to Al Bundy who had 4 TDs for Polk HS Panthers in a Championship Game
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Did you play for Polk Senior High?
And score 4 TD's in a single game?
https://youtu.be/M_qa0EEKZ90?si=gr2daPx-y7_DZzbm
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I will say and still think Dallan Hayden would move the sticks where Trayanum/Williams had 7 carries for 13 yds.Not sure why the guy is back on the pine after spelling relief in a limited 3 game chance to shine last season. And like last season Xavier Johnson looked great with his limited shot and performed, 1 rec 40 yds.
With that said McCord and the boys certainly looked rough but when they absolutely had to - sacked up and ground one out. He stayed cool when the heat was on - I'll take it.And I was ready to defy time/space/matter and reach into the TV set and strangle DAY for running into a pile with Williams at the 1yd line then going for it in a scoreless tie with 7 min. left in the 2qtr. needed pts there. But it provided for a white knuckler later though
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqeYpp_01bU
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I will say and still think Dallan Hayden would move the sticks where Trayanum/Williams had 7 carries for 13 yds.Not sure why the guy is back on the pine after spelling relief in a limited 3 game chance to shine last season. And like last season Xavier Johnson looked great with his limited shot and performed, 1 rec 40 yds.
With that said McCord and the boys certainly looked rough but when they absolutely had to - sacked up and ground one out. He stayed cool when the heat was on - I'll take it.And I was ready to defy time/space/matter and reach into the TV set and strangle DAY for running into a pile with Williams at the 1yd line then going for it in a scoreless tie with 7 min. left in the 2qtr. needed pts there. But it provided for a white knuckler later though
My main worry coming out of that game is the short yardage run game, which is again not reliable. It says something that they scored on the last play mostly because Notre Dame forgot to run out 11 guys (and it was still real close)
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My main worry coming out of that game is the short yardage run game, which is again not reliable. It says something that they scored on the last play mostly because Notre Dame forgot to run out 11 guys (and it was still real close)
ND forgot to run out 11 guys on the final two plays of the game.
Marcus Freeman may be in over his head. Not sure the ND job is one for a young head coach to learn on the job. I understand the players wanted him and ND didn't want to lose him- he's a heckuva DC and elite recruiter, but being the HC at a place like ND is quite an ask for a young guy to learn how to be a HC on the fly.
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a heckuva DC can get 11 defenders on the field
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a heckuva DC can get 11 defenders on the field
well, ya got me there.
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A lot of ND fans making a big issue of them apparently only having 10 guys on the field for the last two plays. Some saying Ohio State's win should have an asterisk.
LoL. Teams make mistakes. Ohio State made mistakes Saturday night too. If mistakes by the losing team resulted in asterisk wins then literally every win would have an asterisk.
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It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch. The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
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It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch. The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
Plus OSU made plenty of their own.
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A lot of ND fans making a big issue of them apparently only having 10 guys on the field for the last two plays. Some saying Ohio State's win should have an asterisk.
If I were the fans or the head coach, I'd stick an asterisk up an assistant coach's ass for the error
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Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal. Fine with me if it makes them feel better.
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FND
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Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal. Fine with me if it makes them feel better.
I'm not one of them. I DO think that the overturn of targeting to no penalty at all on the play that took out Marv was odd but the problem with complaining about officiating is that there are bad calls in every game. I'm sure some UGA fan could point out a few bad calls that went Ohio State's way.
A great example in the NC Game from 2002. Miami fans (all three of them) are still mad about the PI call. Even if I agreed that it was a bad call*, I could still respond by pointing out the uncalled block in the back on Miami's long punt return to set up OT or the 3rd down conversion catch by tOSU on their last possession that was incorrectly ruled incomplete.
I don't make the argument for an asterisk based on officiating but I can at least see yhe argument. A bad call is an outside factor. As I see it, a mistake by one of the teams is a completely different thing.
*I don't agree that it was a bad call, a bit ticky-tack maybe. However the DB made contact while the ball was in the air.
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It should be a green asterisk to remind Irish fans how their team screwed the pooch. The Buckeyes can't be slighted for ND's mistakes.
My Old Boss had a phrase that was framed in his office "Lack of planning on your part,does not constitute an emergancy on my part" so ya. Some other coach it could have been Jimmy Johnson or Bobby Bowden after running up scores by 5-6-7 TDs. "It's not my job to stop our offense"
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Ohio States fans, some of them, want an asterisk for last year's CFP semifinal. Fine with me if it makes them feel better.
Well actually I wanted our starting RBs/WRs/TE who were out with injures back in the game.
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A great example in the NC Game from 2002. Miami fans (all three of them) are still mad about the PI call. Even if I agreed that it was a bad call*, I could still respond by pointing out the uncalled block in the back on Miami's long punt return to set up OT or the 3rd down conversion catch by tOSU on their last possession that was incorrectly ruled incomplete.
Still on YouTube somewhere Chris Gamble was held twice on the same play when he faked cutting insdide and then when he jukes to the sideline. Believe it was "Oh Nellie" himself who called it
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Still on YouTube somewhere Chris Gamble was held twice on the same play when he faked cutting insdide and then when he jukes to the sideline. Believe it was "Oh Nellie" himself who called it
It was and he completely screwed up the call because he initially said that it was almost intercepted.
I forgot about the two holdings but you are right, Ohio State actually would have gotten the first down three times on that play:
- Gamble was held cutting inside. Automatic first down.
- Gamble was held again cutting back outside. Automatic first down.
- Gamble caught the ball and was tackled in bounds, first down and the clock runs as soon as the ball is set.
The point isn't that Ohio State got screwed it is that if the loser wants all the bad calls that went against them changed then the winner can ask for the same thing. Same applies to tOSU/UGA which is why I don't make that big of a deal out of the targeting non-call.
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I know that @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) is going to tell me that these are #helmetschoolproblems and that is fair because they are but this is helmet school fandom reality.
Unsurprisingly, I was amped up throughout the game Saturday night and borderline euphoric when Trayanum crossed the goal line and Ohio State won. A little later my wife asked why I didn't seem happier.
Well . . .
Ohio State just won a true road game over a top-10 opponent at night. For every B1G team except Ohio State and *MAYBE* Michigan and Penn State that would be an unconditional cause for celebration. With Ohio State it is different, there are buts:
- but they only won by three.
- but ND only had 10 guys on the field for the last two plays.
- but maybe ND is overrated (happens a lot) so maybe this wasn't *REALLY* a win over a top-10 team.
- etc, etc.
For the vast majority of programs the above "buts" wouldn't even be discussed. Like I said, for the vast majority of programs a night road win over a top-10 team is an unconditional cause for celebration. There would be NO QUESTIONS at all.
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https://nbcsportsgrouppressbotwitter.com/2023/09/25/ohio-state-notre-dame-thriller-is-nbcs-most-watched-regular-season-college-football-game-since-1993-game-of-the-century/
STAMFORD, Conn. – Sept. 25, 2023 – NBC Sports drew its largest regular-season college football audience in 30 years for No. 6 Ohio State’s down-to-the-wire 17-14 win over No. 9 Notre Dame, with a touchdown in the closing seconds on Saturday night.
The Buckeyes’ three-point victory over the Fighting Irish averaged 10.5 million viewers across NBC, Peacock and NBC Sports Digital, ranking as NBC Sports’ second-most watched regular season college football game of all-time, behind only then-No. 2 Notre Dame’s “Game of the Century” 31-24 defeat of No. 1 Florida State on Nov. 13, 1993 (22 million viewers).