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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 07:30:59 AM
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it's rivalry week people! bitter rivals Michigan and Rutgers face off in Ann Arbor. Jeem's first game back from suspension, B1G season opener for Michigan as well as homecoming.
Michigan opens as 26 point favorites. For the first time all season I think they cover. Jeem will be back on the sidelines, think that'll give them a little juice, it's B1G opener, think they finally have the starting 5 OL solved, and doubt that JJ will be complete hot garbage two weeks in a row. have a feeling he's going to have a fire lit under his ass this week.
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My initial take is that Rutgers has been playing better than anticipated so far this year so the game will be closer than the spread indicates.
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My initial take is that Rutgers has been playing better than anticipated so far this year so the game will be closer than the spread indicates.
part of me was thinking that, but then it is the B1G season opener, JEEM is coming back from suspension, it's home-coming, and JJ will have a fire lit up under his ass methinks after that shitshow he pulled last week. Henderson at LT and Barnahrt at RT looks like the play at OL. Tyler Morris looks like the play at return man. Think they lock those in going forward. Starters in the secondary should be back. I think this is the week they ramp up and start clicking. THINK. Which means....Rutgers should be in for an absolute molly-whopping.
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Rutgers success rate about even with VaTech. Michigan had a crazy high success rate but game was closer than it should've been because: turnovers.
really think they clean stuff up and this is their "get right game".... Jeem back on the sidelines, will have 'em dialed in. I think they are going to murder Rutgers this weekend.
https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1703769106627866654?s=20
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little surprising to see USC at #2. Idk wtf it is but Michigan just can't get it's sh&t together in the first half....
https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/1703794606989521404?s=20
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Corum's stats are basically identical to this point last year vs an equally weak OOC slate. OL looks set now with Henderson at LT and Barnhart kicking back out to where he belongs and started last year at RT. Thank Christ RT Myles Hinton is on the bench now.
Have a feeling this is the week that Donovan Edwards gets it going and he has a huge game. I also expect JJ to be flawless and not play like an absolute shitbag two weeks in a row, especially with Jeem back on the sidelines.
https://twitter.com/Park3rC/status/1703608044037234792?s=20
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this is why I think Michigan could be something special this year....not even JJ leveling up or the RBs....it's that defense. right now they're giving up 5.3 PPG, but remove 4th QTRs where they haven't played a single starter and they're giving up 2 PPG and 72 rushing yards on 60 carries. That's 8.0 yards per quarter and 1.2 yards per carry. That's pretty gnarly, regardless of who you're playing.
This has been without playing starting CB1 Will Johnson, starting FS Rod Moore, and starting SS Makari Paige yet- who by the way are all very good players and future NFL draft picks.
I don't think Jesse Minter was lying when he said this defense will be better than it was last year or when Jeem said this could wind up being the best defense he's ever coached. They rotate 3 guys at ILB and basically have 3 starters for 2 spots there. Hausman from the portal was a blessing, he's a flat out stud. Junior Colson, stud. Mike Barrett really solid 6th year college LB. They have never had a DT room as deep or good. Kris Jenkins and Kenneth Grant are going to be first rd NFL draft picks one day. And Mason Graham might be a better college player than either of them. Rayshaun Benny is an immovable mountain of a man vs the run. Cam Goode is their 5th DT and he might actually be a starter on a few B1G teams this year. And that EDGE room has legit 4 DUDES and is only scratching the surface with how good they can be. They should be able to rotate their front 7 in waves and wear down most teams they play this year. They need to get their starting secondary pieces back healthy and lock-in CB2 spot, but man that defense could wind up being something special this year.
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I don't think Michigan covers the spread, either. Rutgers appears to be playing at a higher level. I predict it will be a 3-score game. Rutgers could even get an early lead, but eventually nature will take its course, and Rutgers will be vanquished.
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Rutgers did once muster a win in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_-bkZ4qhk
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Rutgers leads the Big Ten in rushing. Rutgers is also #7 in the nation in scoring D and did not play cupcakes unlike Michigan with the #1 scoring D.
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I mean technically it was a harder schedule than Michigan, but we're talking about:
1-2 Northwestern
1-2 Virginia Tech
2-1 Temple
vs.
0-3 East Carolina
2-1 UNLV
1-2 Bowling Green
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Does Michigan have any road games this year? 😂😂
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Well on paper Rutgers did,can't figure out what happened to VTech once very sound program and there is talent in the area
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Most places have this game off the board.
I don't know if Rutgers covers 26 for the game, but a small amount on Rutgers for the first half (probably be 12-ish when it goes up on Friday) isn't crazy.
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Does Michigan have any road games this year? 😂😂
yeah @Nebraska, @Minnesota, @MSU, @Penn State, and @Maryland.
@MSU is a night game vs a bitter in-state rival. That one is always a battle, even when Sparty is bad. And they are probably really bad this year.
@Penn State is obviously a really tough road game. Michigan catching a big break that it's a noon kick-off and not a white-out night game. those white-out night games are a completely different animal/environment for a visiting team.
@Maryland is a trickier road game then it appears because it's right after @Penn State and right before getting Ohio State for THE GAME at home. That's a nasty little sandwich look-ahead game.
Schedule sucks donkey d*ck this year, but that last 3 game stretch is gonna be a doozie.
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Rutgers leads the Big Ten in rushing. Rutgers is also #7 in the nation in scoring D and did not play cupcakes unlike Michigan with the #1 scoring D.
if Michigan gets CB Will Johnson and FS Rod Moore back this week, I don't see how Rutgers moves the ball at all on Michigan. Rutgers already can't pass as it is, and both those players are elite players in the B1G and the nation at their positions. JJ will have to just completely stink up the joint again and play like dirty unwashed asshole for the 2nd week in a row for Rutgers to even keep this one close imo.
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and he's not even their best pass rushing EDGE, Derrick Moore or Josaiah Stewart are imo...
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1704520038219489288?s=20
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Michigan 31, Rutgers 12
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Michigan DT Mason Graham is rumored to have an injured hand and will be out for a couple weeks.
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Michigan DT Mason Graham is rumored to have an injured hand and will be out for a couple weeks.
Seems like something a DT could play through
Now an MSU head coach? Probably not
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Seems like something a DT could play through
Now an MSU head coach? Probably not
lmao...post of the year nomination
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Urbz being the sanctimonious hypocritical doosh he's always been...that 2015 OOC schedule bro....
https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/1704887548211064944?s=20
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also....Urbz should look at OSU's 2024 OOC schedule...lulz
Southern Miss - might be a decent game for a half if 54 year old Brett Favre has any remaining eligibility
Western Michigan
Marhsall - might be a decent game for a quarter if 46 year old Randy Moss has any remaining eligibility
OSU gets UCLA but is missing USC on that 2024 schedule and they don't play Wisconsin.
Michigan 2024 schedule? Texas OOC. @USC AND UCLA. Have to play Wisconsin as well. And have to play @Ohio State.
For as much shit as Michigan gets for their schedule this year- deservedly so- their schedule next year is fcking brutal and OSU's looks like a cupcake by comparison.
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Seems like something a DT could play through
Now an MSU head coach? Probably not
:D :043:
lmao...post of the year nomination
YUP Gold Jerry Gold
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Urbz being the sanctimonious hypocritical doosh he's always been...that 2015 OOC schedule bro....
You're not wrong
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You're not wrong
He is not and while I've laughed at Michigan's and Georgia's schedules I've tried to preface that with an acknowledgement that Ohio State has had some ridiculously weak schedules as well.
I think where Urban has a point is that it just looks REALLY bad that the top two teams in the sport have ridiculously weak schedules. They both play their first road game on the last day of September. Georgia fans will be wearing costumes when the Dawgs play their first ranked opponent as it doesn't happen until Halloween Weekend and Michigan's first ranked opponent isn't until Veteran's Day. It just looks bad for the sport as a whole when the top two teams wait so long before playing any notable games.
I think a big part of it is something that I've complained about with CBB but exists here as well. Most of our schools generally schedule one Marquee OOC opponent and then garbage for the other two (9 game league schedule) or three (8 game league schedule) OOC opponents. The problem therein is that if your Marquee opponent happens to suck the year you play them or if that falls through for whatever reason there is NOTHING behind that.
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MB he is a lying hypocrite(so is Booger) he has tried bullshitting people before and after his stop in C-Bus. Great recruiter and coach - when he's hungry. Wins it all he gets complacent and just talks either past or down to adults
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MB he is a lying hypocrite(so is Booger) he has tried bullshitting people before and after his stop in C-Bus. Great recruiter and coach - when he's hungry. Wins it all he gets complacent and jsust talks either past or down to adults
My point is that irrespective of who said it and their hypocrisy or history of deceit, this point remains:
it just looks REALLY bad that the top two teams in the sport have ridiculously weak schedules. They both play their first road game on the last day of September. Georgia fans will be wearing costumes when the Dawgs play their first ranked opponent as it doesn't happen until Halloween Weekend and Michigan's first ranked opponent isn't until Veteran's Day. It just looks bad for the sport as a whole when the top two teams wait so long before playing any notable games.
It would be nice if we could clean that up but so long as the CFP is more-or-less just a list of teams sorted by fewest number of losses, the motivation is to do as Bill Snyder always did and simply "never schedule a loss".
Purdue's OOC is a great example. From a fan interest perspective it should have been ideal. They had three OOC games that all looked relatively even on paper and resulted in a one score loss, a one score win, and a 15-point loss in a relatively competitive game. The thing is that nearly all of us here agreed that they were just basically stupid for scheduling like that because they get nothing for the decent SoS and now they head into league play at 1-2 and needing to go 5-4 in the B1G to qualify for a bowl. If they had schedule an FCS team and two terrible FBS teams they'd be 3-0 and only needing to go 3-6 to qualify for a bowl.
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Urbz might be a sanctimonious douche.
But he is spot on with the point he is making. Unfortunately, it will never change.
Teams rewarded for kicking the shit out of cupcakes and that’s just a fact
Even posters on this board put statistics on here how great a player is or team is after they played three high school teams. See me halfway through the conference schedule.
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For sure Michigan’s non-conference schedule was weak. Fans sure don’t like it. They’ll make up for it somewhat next year.
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this Michigan team is so frustrating to watch. I realize I'm complaining about them after they've beaten everybody they've played by about 4 TD's- but damn- they are so disjointed on offense and can't get clicking for 60 minutes- it's infuriating to watch.
JJ had a nice bounce back game- threw some great balls and didn't do any of that hero bullshit or force things into double coverage. They flat out NEED to get his legs more involved in the run game. It takes their run game to another level when they do. Just run him 4-5 times a game on designed runs and read option- just the threat of him doing that throws a defense off. The OL continues to be a work in progress bc they continue to bash their head against the wall and start Myles Hinton at RT- a guy who flat out stinks at football. The OL AGAIN looked much better for the second week in a row once Hinton hit the bench and LaDarius Henderson played at LT and Karsen Barnhart kicked back to RT- where he's played at a high level the last 2 years.
The defense is really good. They were without two of their very best players in DT Mason Graham and FS Rod Moore this week, and still were way too much for Rutgers to handle outside of a busted coverage play to start the game. The only weakness on that defense I am seeing is CB2. Josh Wallace is not it. And much like they are doing with Myles Hinton at RT these coaches continue to bash their head against the wall and refuse to give someone else a real shot to take the job. They need to start one of the frosh CB's in DJ Waller, Amorion Walker, Jyaire Hill, Cam Calhoun, or JaDen McBurrows and just see what they have. Enough with the Josh Wallace experiment. Ditto for Myles Hinton.
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this Michigan team is so frustrating to watch. I realize I'm complaining about them after they've beaten everybody they've played by about 4 TD's- but damn- they are so disjointed on offense and can't get clicking for 60 minutes- it's infuriating to watch.
JJ had a nice bounce back game- threw some great balls and didn't do any of that hero bullshit or force things into double coverage. They flat out NEED to get his legs more involved in the run game. It takes their run game to another level when they do. Just run him 4-5 times a game on designed runs and read option- just the threat of him doing that throws a defense off. The OL continues to be a work in progress bc they continue to bash their head against the wall and start Myles Hinton at RT- a guy who flat out stinks at football. The OL AGAIN looked much better once Hinton hit the bench and LaDarius Henderson started at LT and Karsen Barnhart kicked back to RT- where he's played at a high level the last 2 years.
The defense is really good. They were without Mason Graham and Rod Moore this week, and still were way too much for Rutgers to handle outside of a busted coverage play to start the game. The only weakness on that defense I am seeing is CB2. Josh Wallace is not it. And much like they are doing with Myles Hinton at RT these coaches continue to bash their head against the wall and refuse to give someone else a real shot to take the job. They need to start DJ Waller, Jyaire Hill, Cam Calhoun, or JaDen McBurrows and just see what they have. Enough with the Josh Wallace experiment. Ditto for Myles Hinton.
That’s good actually. You don’t want them peaking early
The offense will be humming when it needs to.
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That’s good actually. You don’t want them peaking early
The offense will be humming when it needs to.
you're probably right. we'll see. tis a long season.
I really liked what I saw out of true frosh WR Semaj Morgan. They need a guy in the slot to step up. Roman Wilson is the clear #1 WR and Colston Loveland is going to continue to get a lot of targets at TE. Cornelius Johnson is a very reliable #2. But they need more guys to step up at WR.
I am still baffled as to why they won't just settle the OL with Henderson at LT and Barnhart back out at RT.
They need to continue to get JJ more involved in the run game- the offense is so much harder to stop when teams have to worry about his legs. They don't need to run him 10 times a game- but 4-5 on designed runs and read options will really give defenses a pause and make them stay honest.
Corum and Edwards need to be on the field together a lot more. Those two together really put a defense in conflict- and Edwards is such a weapon as a pass catcher- run more two back sets. Please.
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That’s good actually. You don’t want them peaking early
That is especially true for this Michigan team, this year.
From what we've seen out of the rest of the B1G, the "Big Three" of Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State (just alphabetical order) are vastly ahead of the other 11. Add to that Michigan's back-loaded schedule (PSU and tOSU are two of their last three games) and pathetic OOC and it appears that Michigan doesn't face a legitimate threat until Veterans Day.