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Title: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: LittlePig on September 17, 2023, 09:55:41 AM
1. PSU -  Conference road win at ILL plus early win vs WV.

2. Ohio St - Big Test coming against Notre Dame. 

3.  Mich - have not learned anything yet from Mich's non-conference schedule.

4.  Rutgers - 2 solid wins over not so great P5 schools.

5.  MD - MD looking good in September (again)

6.  Iowa -  Iowa has big test next week at PSU

Drawing a blank here who should be #7

7.  WISC
8.  MINN
9.  NEB
10.  PUR
11.  IND
12.  MSU
13.  ILL
14.  NW
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Temp430 on September 17, 2023, 10:01:59 AM
1. Ohio State
2. Penn State
3. Michigan
4. Iowa
5. Wisconsin
6. Maryland
7. Rutgers
8. Minnesota
9. Illinois
10. Purdue
11. Nebraska
12. Indiana
13. Michigan State
14. Northwestern
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 17, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
Jury still out: Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Maryland, Rutgers

Better than their record: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois

The rest are where they are, except Northwestern, which is probably ready for a move to the Ivy League with Stanford.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MrNubbz on September 17, 2023, 11:49:04 AM
Jury isn't out on UM, just getting their snaps and making sure no one gets hurt
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 17, 2023, 12:15:36 PM
1. Penn State
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Iowa 
5. Maryland
6. Wisconsin
7. Rutgers
8. Minnesota
9. Illinois
10. Nebraska
11. Purdue
12. Michigan State
13. Indiana
14. Northwestern
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MaximumSam on September 17, 2023, 01:07:47 PM


Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 17, 2023, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 17, 2023, 01:07:47 PM
  • Michigan: Defense looks the part. Still a little unsure what they are bringing offensively.
  • Penn State: Got a road win, but didn't exactly set the world on fire.
  • Ohio State: Played a team with a bad defense that refused to punt, score reflects it. Honestly all three teams have been sporadic offensively and pretty solid defensively.
  • Iowa: The default team. You know they will play some defense.
  • Maryland: I'm never going to trust this team but Taulia looks the part. They will bite somebody.
  • Wisconsin: Maybe? Things getting dicey. They were outgained by Georgia Southern.
  • Rutgers: 3-0 is 3-0.
  • Minnesota: Offensively challenged.
  • Indiana: Same
  • Purdue: Defensively challenged
  • Illinois: Just generally challenged
  • Nebraska: Same
  • Northwestern: Also applies
  • Michigan State: Giving up 713 yards of offense gets you the Honorary Turd of the Week


This is pretty much how I would rank them.  I still think MSU is capable of more.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 17, 2023, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 17, 2023, 01:10:31 PM
This is pretty much how I would rank them.  I still think MSU is capable of more.
I'd about rank them the same as well. I think you can legitimately put any of the B1G East's Big 3 at #1. None have separated themselves as a cut above the others imo. Michigan lost any sole claim they had on that top spot with that shitshow of a performance JJ just put on. I'd have kept them as a clear #1 if he had played like he did first two games- efficient and within himself- not forcing throws or hero ball bullshit. But he obviously didn't do that.

I do think they are finally getting the starting 5 OL right with the benching of RT Myles Hinton and kicking LT Karsen Barnhart back out to RT where he started last year and putting transfer portaler LaDarius Henderson at LT. It just looked better. Like OH ok that makes sense. Barnhart is a more natural RT, Henderson is more fluid, athletic, bendy- better equipped to deal with speed at the edge better imo. Hinton looks like a greek god but plays like a woman. He was a 5* 'croot out of HS just because of his body and frame and athleticism....looking like more proof to what I already thought- that OL HS recruit rankings are probably useless. Just hard to predict how an OL will develop- the rankings are just based on them being bigger and better than everyone in HS- and that just ain't gonna be the case at the next level.

I do really like what I've been seeing from the defense. I think they have a chance to be the best Jeem has had yet. Their DT, EDGE, ILB rooms look gnarly. Mikey Sainistril might just be the best nickel in the country, and we haven't even really seen Will Johnson, Rod Moore, and Makari Page yet in the secondary. I think Will has played like 6 snaps thus far and Page played a little bit yesterday night and Moore has yet to play.

Iowa has to be 4th just because of their defense and who the hell else can you put there right now with a straight face, and then after that it's a complete crapshoot.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MaximumSam on September 17, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
SP+ rankings

1. Ohio State
3. Michigan
9. PSU
25. Wisconsin
28. Iowa
31. Maryland
42. Minnesota
52. Illinois
54. MSU
64. Rutgers
65. Nebraska
67. Purdue
81. Indiana
87. Northwestern
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 17, 2023, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 17, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
SP+ rankings

1. Ohio State
3. Michigan
9. PSU
25. Wisconsin
28. Iowa
31. Maryland
42. Minnesota
52. Illinois
54. MSU
64. Rutgers
65. Nebraska
67. Purdue
81. Indiana
87. Northwestern
is UGA, TX, or FSU #2? 
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MaximumSam on September 17, 2023, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 17, 2023, 01:53:19 PM
is UGA, TX, or FSU #2?
Top 10



FSU is 13th

Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 17, 2023, 02:51:56 PM

Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Hawkinole on September 17, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
I am switching the Top 3 around. Illinois was able to keep close for quite a while in their game with Penn State, and then fell apart with turnovers, to the Lion defense's credit. The Lions looked beatable, but I have the Lions ranked above Iowa because Iowa
looks even more beatable than Penn State.
Maryland and Rutgers appear to be competitive.
(https://i.imgur.com/LSo7bwu.png)

Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 17, 2023, 10:37:34 PM
Sorry to interrupt the B1G power rankings, but this post doesn't warrant its own thread.
The pollsters are dumb. 
*I'll preface this with acknowledging that it doesn't actually matter.  But it also shouldn't exist: 
23 Tennessee
25 Florida

Now I'm obviously not actually upset about this, but it's stupidity in action.  I'd even posit if this was the year-end poll, the voters would have "corrected" themselves.  But since it's just September, they get to be lazy and stupid.

Both teams are 2-1.  Both have 13-point losses on the road.  Florida's was to Utah, ranked 11th, and thus, is a better loss.
One of Florida's wins is vs ranked Tennessee.  UT's only wins are vs a train wreck UVA and Austin Peay.

They're ranked 2 spots apart, and Florida has the h2h.  So I'm just taking the time to shine a spotlight on the voter's hypocrisy. 
Yes, this ranking is basically based on the preseason poll, but why do they get to be so lazy? 
Over and out.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 07:42:22 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 17, 2023, 10:37:34 PM
Sorry to interrupt the B1G power rankings, but this post doesn't warrant its own thread.
The pollsters are dumb. 
*I'll preface this with acknowledging that it doesn't actually matter.  But it also shouldn't exist: 
23 Tennessee
25 Florida

Now I'm obviously not actually upset about this, but it's stupidity in action.  I'd even posit if this was the year-end poll, the voters would have "corrected" themselves.  But since it's just September, they get to be lazy and stupid.

Both teams are 2-1.  Both have 13-point losses on the road.  Florida's was to Utah, ranked 11th, and thus, is a better loss.
One of Florida's wins is vs ranked Tennessee.  UT's only wins are vs a train wreck UVA and Austin Peay.

They're ranked 2 spots apart, and Florida has the h2h.  So I'm just taking the time to shine a spotlight on the voter's hypocrisy. 
Yes, this ranking is basically based on the preseason poll, but why do they get to be so lazy? 
Over and out.
you're 100% correct. it's almost as if we didn't just have a game on the field to decide who was better between Tennessee and Florida....

sometimes the polls can be absolutely baffling. 
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 07:47:14 AM
A team can lose on the road and still be better than the team it lost to.

Especially at night.

That said, do I think TN is better than UF? 

No. TN has no QB.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 07:48:23 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 07:47:14 AM
A team can lose on the road and still be better than the team it lost to.

Especially at night.

That said, do I think TN is better than UF?

No. TN has no QB.
Idk why people bought the hype on Milton....guy sucks. He got benched for Cade McNamara at Michigan and transferred to Tennessee where he was the starter only to get benched again for Hendon Hooker. He's....not good.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on September 18, 2023, 08:17:47 AM


Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 08:26:23 AM
ESPN's FPI Poll....we suck!

Ohio State at #1. Michigan at #14.

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1703407965531672748?s=20
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 18, 2023, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 18, 2023, 07:47:14 AM
A team can lose on the road and still be better than the team it lost to.

Especially at night.

That said, do I think TN is better than UF?

No. TN has no QB.
If I were running a computer ranking I wouldn't want one game to be more than 10% so what I'd do is:

I agree with @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , UF definitely looks better but that was a night game in a very tough environment for TN. It *COULD* turn out that UF's best and TN's worst game of the year was just played.

*Adjusted: This would be to account for returning players and yhe relative talent of the new players.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 11:38:32 AM
net success rate....Michigan dominated in the trenches but obviously 4 turnovers (3 really poor decisions by JJ and a fumble on a kick return) made the game seem closer than it actually was.

Penn State-Illinois being dead even kind of a red flag imo. Illinois front 7 bullied Penn State OL in the trenches on defense. Good thing for Penn State Illinois' offense and QB flat out suck ass.

https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1703769106627866654?s=20
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: ELA on September 18, 2023, 02:12:08 PM
Last week in parenthesis


Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Abba on September 18, 2023, 03:27:52 PM


1) Penn State
2) Ohio State 
3) Michigan
4) Iowa


5) Maryland
6) Rutgers
7) Wisconsin
8) Minnesota
9) Illinois
10) Purdue
11) Indiana
12) Nebraska
13) Northwestern
14) Michigan State
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Benthere2 on September 18, 2023, 05:58:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9gbzg7h.png)
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 19, 2023, 01:54:49 PM


1Michigan
2Ohio State
3Penn State
4Maryland
5Iowa
6Illinois
7Wisconsin
8Indiana
9Rutgers
10Michigan State
11Purdue
12Minnesota
13Nebraska
14Northwestern
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 18, 2023, 08:26:23 AM
ESPN's FPI Poll....we suck!

Ohio State at #1. Michigan at #14.

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1703407965531672748?s=20
I think you want this to be a shot at Michigan but the FPI is a calculation and I'm pretty sure that what is hurting Michigan here is that their SoS is abysmal.

Michigan's opponents and what they did in their other games:
ECU is 0-3. Michigan held them to 3 which is better than their other opponents but both Marshall (31) and ApSt (43) scored more on them than Michigan (30).

UNLV is 2-1 but one win was FCS and the other was a 40-37 nailbiter over Vandy. Again, Michigan's D looks great by comparison but Vandy scored more on them than Michigan did.

Bowling Green is 1-2 but the lone win came against an FCS opponent. Again, Michigan's D looks great by comparison but Liberty scored more on them than Michigan did.

I actually think that Michigan's offense is just fine and the main reason their output has been so unimpressive is simply because they haven't needed points because their D has been so dominant. That analysis is why they are still ranked #2 in the polls and power rankings but that takes human analysis. To a computer just comparing scores the Wolverine offense looks mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MrNubbz on September 19, 2023, 04:20:06 PM
1)Michigan until knocked off
2)PSU conf. win under it's belt
3)tOSU find out Saturday where they move to
4) Iowa
5)Terps
6)UW
7)Rutgers
8)Illini
9)Goophs
10)MSU
11)'Skers
12)Boilers
13)Hoosiers
14)Wild Cats
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 19, 2023, 04:20:06 PM
3)tOSU find out Saturday where they move to
Would you move them down if they lost?  

Remember that either #2 PSU or #4 Iowa WILL lose on Saturday as will either #1 M or #7 RU.  

Your #6 Wisconsin is playing at 1-2 Purdue this weekend and already has a loss to a team (probably) not as good as ND and your #5 UMD is playing MSU in East Lansing so not much opportunity for either of them to impress.  

Assuming that tOSU loses while Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Maryland all win I would think the logical next week ranking would be:
No?

Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: MrNubbz on September 19, 2023, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 19, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
Would you move them down if tOSU lost? 

Remember that either #2 PSU or #4 Iowa WILL lose on Saturday as will either #1 M or #7 RU. 

Your #6 Wisconsin is playing at 1-2 Purdue this weekend and already has a loss to a team (probably) not as good as ND and your #5 UMD is playing MSU in East Lansing so not much opportunity for either of them to impress. 

Assuming that tOSU loses while Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Maryland all win I would think the logical next week ranking would be:
  • M
  • PSU
  • tOSU
  • Iowa (if it is a close loss and UMD doesn't look amazing)
  • UMD
  • UW
No?
Butt out Spock - If close then it depends on the other games but being the perceived chalk I'd definitely............
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2023, 05:43:18 PM
I'd simply wait for the results and then rank them next week

but, I'm no Spock
Title: Re: Week 3 Power Rankings
Post by: ELA on September 21, 2023, 11:13:49 AM
Massey composite rankings - 56 rankings (last week in parenthesis)