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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on August 29, 2023, 09:38:32 AM
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The game kicks off at 3:30 eastern from Memorial Stadium in Bloomington, Indiana and will be aired by CBS.
The line is tOSU -30 with an O/U of 59 so Vegas expects roughly a 45-14 Ohio State win.
The Buckeyes lead the series 79-12-5 and it is actually worse than that. The Hoosiers won back-to-back games against Ohio State in 1987 and 1988. Those were Earle Bruce's last and John Cooper's first years respectively. Two years later they tied Cooper's Buckeyes in 1990. Since then Indiana is 0-28 against Ohio State with the average score being 38-16. The Buckeyes won 56-14 last November.
Questions for Ohio State:
- Will the offense rebuild or reload?
- Will the defense resemble a championship caliber unit?
Questions for Indiana:
Can they be competitive with the upper-eschelon B1G teams? In the pandemic year the Hoosiers beat PSU and M and pushed Ohio State but since then those three have absolutely bullied them, 2021:
- Lost by 47 to tOSU, 54-7
- Lost by 24 to PSU, 24-0
- Lost by 22 to M, 29-7
2022:
- Lost by 42 to tOSU, 56-14
- Lost by 31 to PSU, 45-14
- Lost by 21 to M, 31-10
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More series history:
Indiana went 5-0-1 in the first six with all but the last of those being before Ohio State joined what became the B1G. Even after that the Hoosiers won or at least tied the Buckeyes every few years up through Woody's first campaign.
Through 1951 Ohio State had "merely" doubled up Indiana, 20-10-3. Since then this has been a ridiculously lopsided affair with Ohio State holding a 59-2-2 advantage from 1952 through 2022. Indiana's few wins have come during times of turmoil in Columbus:
- 1988, Cooper's first year
- 1987, Earle's last year
- 1951, Woody's first year
- 1947, Wes Fesler's first year
- 1943, Paul Brown's last year (also WWII and Ohio State had no scholarship players due to the war)
Those are Indiana's last five wins over Ohio State and all five were in the Ohio State coach's first or last year.
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Curious to see who the Buckeyes wheel out at QB. If he's not great but just serviceable, Ohio State goes into the locker room at half time up 30+.
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Ryan Day names Kyle McCord the starter. Says Devin Brown will also play in the 1st half as well however. Looks like he might be going with Lloyd Carr's two QB Brady-Henson method in '99.
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Damn Michigan slappies bad enough you been beating us now you're scooping us on buckeye news - usually Sam does that to me
Edit: well Mdot at least Day has more insight than Cooper with his Stanley Jackson/Joe Germaine debacle so see how it worx under game conditions
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Ryan Day names Kyle McCord the starter. Says Devin Brown will also play in the 1st half as well however. Looks like he might be going with Lloyd Carr's two QB Brady-Henson method in '99.
I'm interested to see how they each look in a live game situation tomorrow.
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42-10 Buckeyes.
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I'm interested to see how they each look in a live game situation tomorrow.
me too. but I don't think either is going to face much resistance.
Ohio State will probably win like 59-10 or something like that.
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42-10 Buckeyes.
they gonna score more than 42 imo
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This is a very bad Indiana team, but I still expect the Buckeyes to be a little choppy on offense as the QBs figure things out. I think this will be the best Buckeye D since 2019 (yeah, not saying much) and I think they'll completely shut down IU. Buckeyes win 38-10.
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Tom Allen’s calling card is he will throw numerous defensive fronts at OSU that they haven't seen on film. 6 man fronts, 5 man fronts, Bear, 3 man fronts, the kitchen sink.
Of course OSU wants to establish their run game to make things comfortable for an inexperienced QB. Indiana will do everything they can to shut down the run- and they will run exotic blitzes on passing downs.
Just like the last 2 times OSU opened with a conference road game ( they were down at halftime but pulled away late, and comfortably), I think it will be bumpy for a little.
On Offense- Indiana will do everything they can to get the ball out quick. A lot of dinking and dunking. They do not want to put their QB under pass rush.
No score predictions here. Should be fun.
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Everyone healthy for this one?
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Everyone healthy for this one?
Haven't heard anything. A couple depth guys have been hurt, but not aware of any starters who are unavailable.
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All good today.
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So, what to make of this outcome? Did watch much of it as my eyes were on UW.
The score is a bit shocking to me. Seems like a lot to clean up in Columbus??
That can be said for most of the teams in the conference.
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I watched good chunk of the game. McCord will be fine. Ryan Day will work out the kinks. I think Chip Traynum and Miyan Williams are the best RBs on OSUs team. I felt Miyan already was better then Henderson. Think Traynum has gained ground and leveled up, don't know how you keep what that kid brings to the table off the field- his legs and thighs are like tree trunks, he's physical and breaks tackles but is also shifty and has burst/speed. OL is more of a concern imo than QB.
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Defense played as well as we had hoped. Offensive problems are new QBs and the OL. OL needs some time to gel, so hopefully these next 2 games can help w/ that. I'm curious if Day will just settle in on McCord as the starter, or still try to work in Devin Brown.
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Defense played as well as we had hoped. Offensive problems are new QBs and the OL. OL needs some time to gel, so hopefully these next 2 games can help w/ that. I'm curious if Day will just settle in on McCord as the starter, or still try to work in Devin Brown.
imo you gotta give Devin Brown a start vs Youngstown State. Just to see what you got. Then you grade them both in the film room and nitpick them both to death, then you let them compete in practice leading up to the next game and whoever wins the job you start vs Western Kentucky and then ride with them til the wheels fall off.
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Defense played as well as we had hoped. Offensive problems are new QBs and the OL. OL needs some time to gel, so hopefully these next 2 games can help w/ that. I'm curious if Day will just settle in on McCord as the starter, or still try to work in Devin Brown.
Pretty good summary.
I would add:
-pass blocking was very good. Zero sacks or QB hits given up
-run blocking was constantly missing a key defender- so many plays blown up by unblocked player.
- Hoosiers ran a speed option- really designed to eat up clock It worked to eat clock- buckeyes stuffed it.
- Day ran more 2 TE formations than he did ever before ( resembled Tressel at times)
- Downfield passing game was rarely called, Day wanted establish run to protect QB
- McCord still learning to read defense. Made some NFL throws, but also botched some and didn’t see wide open WRs because they were 2nd or 3rd read.
With the exception of Brown not playing much at QB- it was fairly predictable.
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Good thing the Buckeyes have two more games to sand off the rough edges before they travel to South Bend.
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It will be weird in a way. Ohio State hasn’t had an FCS opponent on their schedule in 10 years.
Hopefully it just gives them reps- which is what the QBs and Offensive line needs.
When they were blocking- they did well against their man, but Indiana did what everyone will do- disguise their run fronts really well. The new guys( actually the group) really struggled at times figuring out who to block. Many unblocked defenders made plays at or behind the LOS.
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Pretty good summary.
I would add:
-pass blocking was very good. Zero sacks or QB hits given up
-run blocking was constantly missing a key defender- so many plays blown up by unblocked player.
- Hoosiers ran a speed option- really designed to eat up clock It worked to eat clock- buckeyes stuffed it.
- Day ran more 2 TE formations than he did ever before ( resembled Tressel at times)
- Downfield passing game was rarely called, Day wanted establish run to protect QB
- McCord still learning to read defense. Made some NFL throws, but also botched some and didn’t see wide open WRs because they were 2nd or 3rd read.
With the exception of Brown not playing much at QB- it was fairly predictable.
I think that you and @Abba (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=65) and others have made some good points.
Watching the game and in the immediate aftermath I was VERY concerned about tOSU for this year but now that I've had time to think on it for a bit, here are some counterpoints in an effort to avoid overreacting to one game:
The offense started slow last year as well. You can say that it was Notre Dame and it was, but the Buckeyes only scored 21 on the Irish last year and they turned around the next week and gave up 26 to Marshall.
The defense, if anything, looked better than expected. You can say that it was Indiana and it was, but Indiana's lowest output last year was 10, against Michigan. Ohio State just held them to three. Their next worst output last year was 14 which they hit twice, vs PSU and @tOSU.
In terms of margin, the Buckeyes just beat the Hoosiers by 20. Here is how that stacks up compared to Indiana's nine league games last year:
- L to tOSU by 42, 56-14
- L to PSU by 31, 45-14
- L to M by 21, 31-10
- L to UNL by 14, 35-21
- L to PU by 14, 30-16
- L to RU by 7, 24-17
- L to UMD by 5, 38-33
- Beat MSU in 2OT
- Beat IL by 3
So tOSU's performance on Saturday was actually better defensively than ANY team did against IU last year and the MoV was better than all but tOSU, PSU, and M last year.
It is more than likely going to be impossible to learn anything meaningful from the next two games so I guess we'll find out in South Bend on September 23.