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Title: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 03:05:18 PM
Yeah I know, offseason topic.  Getting close to punting this to some place 10 pages down.

But for now...

What constitutes a sandwich?  Is it strictly defined as two pieces of bread, with some kind of filling in-between?  And if so, are hamburger buns considered to fulfill that definition of bread, and thus a hamburger is a sandwich?

What about the two pieces of bread specification, is that even valid?  Is a sub on a roll that's split down the middle, NOT a sandwich, because it is not technically two pieces of bread?

And if a sub is considered a sandwich, when it's really more of a bread-based wrap, then are ALL wraps fair game to be called a sandwich?  Is a taco a sandwich?

When I was in grade school, pretty much every day I took my sack lunch.  And my friend and neighbor who was Mexican-American, also brought his sack lunch.  And we'd sit down for lunch together and he'd open his lunch and bring out a refried bean and cheese taco, or a carne guisada taco, or an al pastor taco, and he always referred to them as his "sandwich."  

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2023, 04:00:02 PM
This is a deep and earnest topic obviously.  I'm going to reach out and classify the term "sandwich" as the broadest English term, originated of course by the Earl of Hamburg, as I dimly recall.  Maybe it was the Duke of Frankfurt?  Whatever.

Sandwich - Anything between two slices or folds of mostly wheat product baked into a semi flattish shape.

Hamburger - where the anything is ground something.

Hero - some kind of sandwich

Taco - another kind of sandwich

Philly - one with gooey cheese product and thinly sliced beef

Hotdog - one with a tubular substance interspersed of rather unknown compsition including parts



Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 04:06:25 PM
This is a deep and earnest topic obviously.  I'm going to reach out and classify the term "sandwich" as the broadest English term, originated of course by the Earl of Hamburg, as I dimly recall.  Maybe it was the Duke of Frankfurt?  Whatever.

Sandwich - Anything between two slices or folds of mostly wheat product baked into a semi flattish shape.

Hamburger - where the anything is ground something.

Hero - some kind of sandwich

Taco - another kind of sandwich

Philly - one with gooey cheese product and thinly sliced beef

Hotdog - one with a tubular substance interspersed of rather unknown compsition including parts





Oh yeah good call-out. Is a hot dog a sandwich? 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2023, 04:12:47 PM
They are like cherry blossoms ...

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Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 04:13:48 PM
my grandfather would say, "Let's go to McDonalds and have a sammich."
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2023, 04:19:18 PM
I'd say anything involving some sort of protein between some type of bread can be considered a sammitch. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2023, 04:22:27 PM
I think all vegetables have some sort of protein in them.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 04:32:56 PM
peanut butter and jelly

grilled or un-grilled cheese sammich

a wish sammich!

anything between two slices of any type of bread is a sammich
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2023, 04:33:55 PM
I think all vegetables have some sort of protein in them. 
Not all. Some fruits do too.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
https://youtu.be/NepkGHEd2B0
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2023, 04:39:15 PM
Life on Earth is complex and varied, but every living organism on the planet builds its proteins from the same set of 20 amino acids. All proteins in a human body, for example, are made up of some combination of the 20 common amino acids. 

I think protein is inherent in all life forms.  I don't know of an exception.  Lettuce has protein.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 04:40:25 PM
and is full of water, but requires less water to grow properly than cotton
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2023, 04:42:10 PM
Life on Earth is complex and varied, but every living organism on the planet builds its proteins from the same set of 20 amino acids. All proteins in a human body, for example, are made up of some combination of the 20 common amino acids.

I think protein is inherent in all life forms.  I don't know of an exception.  Lettuce has protein.
Traces for sure.


But eating a lettuce sandwich is not gonna keep you from being hungry in 45 minutes. An avocado sandwich would be better.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 05:07:44 PM
No. Not a sandwich. A sandwich should have:

- Sliced bread from a loaf
- cured or prepared meat
- a crunchy vegetable, preferably pickled
- a creamy spread and/or cheese
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 05:14:20 PM
should have, but what must it have?

I'm saying some type of bread to keep your fingers somewhat clean from whatever is in the bread
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Gigem on August 17, 2023, 05:17:46 PM
Hamburger-not a sandwich

Hotdog- not a sandwich


It's kinda like porn.  I may not be able to exactly articulate what IS and what IS NOT porn, but I know it when I see it.  

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 05:47:06 PM
No. Not a sandwich. A sandwich should have:

- Sliced bread from a loaf
- cured or prepared meat
- a crunchy vegetable, preferably pickled
- a creamy spread and/or cheese
So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is not a sandwich?

A grilled cheese sandwich is not a sandwich?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 05:51:35 PM
I think when a thing becomes enough of its own thing it can be considered not that other thing.

So although a hamburger meets many definitions of a sandwich, it is its own thing, and therefore not a sandwich.

If you said, "Hey, we're having sandwiches brought in for lunch today" and what is brought in is in fact a bunch of hamburgers, that would be surprising and confusing.

If you said, "Hey we're going out for lunch today, we'll go grab some sandwiches" then I'd assume you're going to hit a deli or Subway or Jersey Mikes, I would definitely not assume you were going to Five Guys or McDonald's for burgers.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 17, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
I think when a thing becomes enough of its own thing it can be considered not that other thing.

So although a hamburger meets many definitions of a sandwich, it is its own thing, and therefore not a sandwich.

If you said, "Hey, we're having sandwiches brought in for lunch today" and what is brought in is in fact a bunch of hamburgers, that would be surprising and confusing.

If you said, "Hey we're going out for lunch today, we'll go grab some sandwiches" then I'd assume you're going to hit a deli or Subway or Jersey Mikes, I would definitely not assume you were going to Five Guys or McDonald's for burgers.
This gets to it. Trying to come up with rigid "classification" criteria misses the point. The reason we have words in a language is to facilitate the exchange of information.

Your goal when communicating should be to use language that limits the likelihood that you will be misunderstood.

Sure, you can say a burger, or a hot dog, or a taco, is a sandwich. But if you say "let's have sandwiches" and a plate of tacos shows up, you didn't use as clear of a word to get your point across that you could. Granted, I'm not gonna be mad; tacos are delicious. But I will be confused. 

And when someone says you need a "protein" between bread to make it a sandwich, well, wheat has protein. So by that definition you could stick a slice of bread between two slices of bread and call it a sandwich. But that's not how we use the term "protein"--we typically use it to express the concept that meat, poultry, or fish is involved. 

So the entire debate is pointless IMHO. A burger might technically be a sandwich, but there is a better word to describe it than sandwich; call it a burger. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
yup, in my grandfather's time........ the hamburger wasn't it's own thing

it was just a sammich
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 06:01:25 PM
Definitions from Oxford Languages · 
sand·wich
noun
an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
"a ham sandwich"
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 06:37:47 PM
So a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is not a sandwich?

A grilled cheese sandwich is not a sandwich?
Nope. It is a grilled cheese and a PB and J. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 17, 2023, 06:43:14 PM
Nope. It is a grilled cheese and a PB and J.
"Do you want a sandwich?"
"What ya got?"
"Well, PB&J."
"Sure."

----

"Do you want a sandwich?"
"What ya got?"
"Well, not much, but I can make a grilled cheese."
"Sure."

----

"Do you want a sandwich?"
"What ya got?"
"I was thinking cheeseburger."
"Umm... I mean yeah, but if you were gonna make burgers why didn't you say so?"



Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:01:00 PM
Definitions from Oxford Languages ·
sand·wich
noun
an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
"a ham sandwich"

Cool cool.  So a sub is not a sandwich then, unless you've sliced all the way through the bread.  That clears it all up then.

Hey let's go get some sandwiches, wanna go to Subway?
Ummm, why?  Subway doesn't make sandwiches...


Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:04:55 PM
Hey man, I haven't been to Philadelphia in forever.  Let's go to Geno's and get a Philly cheesesteak sandwich!

Uh, why?  Geno's doesn't make sandwiches.

(https://i.imgur.com/CKX13pw.png)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 07:13:32 PM
Cool cool.  So a sub is not a sandwich then, unless you've sliced all the way through the bread.  That clears it all up then.

Hey let's go get some sandwiches, wanna go to Subway?
Ummm, why?  Subway doesn't make sandwiches...



the dude is from Oxford

not Iowa or Texas
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:13:45 PM
So the entire debate is pointless IMHO. A burger might technically be a sandwich, but there is a better word to describe it than sandwich; call it a burger.

Well of course.  That's why I brought it up as an offseason topic.  It's just a silly and amusing debate.

This gets to it. Trying to come up with rigid "classification" criteria misses the point. The reason we have words in a language is to facilitate the exchange of information.

Your goal when communicating should be to use language that limits the likelihood that you will be misunderstood.

And unsurprisingly, you cut quickly to my main point.  On the B12 board in the State Fair Foods thread, CD and I were discussing what makes a taco, a taco.  And it got me thinking about the larger point of definitions and specificity of language.

Incidentally, my definition of a taco was:

A taco must consist of some kind of filling, within a tortilla. The tortilla can be flour or corn, and it can be soft or hard-fried.



Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 07:15:31 PM
“spaghetti sandwiches” mentioned on the B12 board
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:17:16 PM
“spaghetti sandwiches” mentioned on the B12 board
I've made them.  I've also made lasagna sandwiches, enchilada sandwiches, and a lot of other things I'm not particularly proud of.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 07:26:28 PM
Hey man, I haven't been to Philadelphia in forever.  Let's go to Geno's and get a Philly cheesesteak sandwich!

Uh, why?  Geno's doesn't make sandwiches.

(https://i.imgur.com/CKX13pw.png)

Who the hell says that? No one who actually eats sandwiches. They may say "let's get a cheesesteak" but if someone says "let's get a Philly cheesesteak sandwich" they have clearly been taken over by pod people.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:27:40 PM
Who the hell says that? No one who actually eats sandwiches. They may say "let's get a cheesesteak" but if someone says "let's get a Philly cheesesteak sandwich" they have clearly been taken over by pod people.
So you are declaring that a Philly cheeseteak is not a sandwich.

Bold move, Cotten. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 07:31:44 PM
So you are declaring that a Philly cheeseteak is not a sandwich.

Bold move, Cotten.
A Philly cheesesteak is a Philly cheesesteak. Come on brother it's right there in the name. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:35:17 PM
This thing here--  not a sandwich?

(https://i.imgur.com/djEatVF.png)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 07:37:18 PM
That said, it is very close. Cooked and chopped ribeye, either provolone or cheese whiz, and grilled onions. The only difference is like many subs it is on a mini loaf as opposed to being sliced from a regular loaf. So no one will judge you by incorrectly calling it a sandwich. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 07:37:42 PM
This thing here--  not a sandwich?

(https://i.imgur.com/djEatVF.png)

That my friend is a sub.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:39:39 PM
A cheesesteak sandwich is a sub and a sub is not a sandwich.

(https://i.imgur.com/3wvZVko.png)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 07:42:08 PM
I've made them.  I've also made lasagna sandwiches, enchilada sandwiches, and a lot of other things I'm not particularly proud of.
so has Nubbz
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 17, 2023, 07:44:22 PM
A cheesesteak sandwich is a sub and a sub is not a sandwich.

(https://i.imgur.com/3wvZVko.png)

You have finally embraced the truth, and the light, and aren't going around looking silly serving people quesadillas when they ask for a sandwich. Go and sin no more.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 07:45:08 PM
Next, somebody's gonna tell me this is BBQ.

(https://i.imgur.com/1FMQJGz.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 07:49:10 PM
not I
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 17, 2023, 09:10:57 PM
I've put leftover Thanksgiving turkey on a pizza slice.
You know what that's called?
Reprehensible.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: jgvol on August 17, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
I ate a tomato sandwich over the weekend.  

And a meatloaf sandwich 2 weeks ago.  

No shame.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: jgvol on August 17, 2023, 09:53:54 PM
I've put leftover Thanksgiving turkey on a pizza slice.
You know what that's called?
Reprehensible. 


How many joints had you smoked?

Back in my younger, drunken stoner days, a cold can of El Paso refried beans, spooned right out of the can to mouth, was quite the late night treat, shortly before passing out.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2023, 10:01:01 PM
try to remember to lean completely over the kitchen sink so as not to make a mess
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 17, 2023, 11:38:10 PM
try to remember to lean completely over the kitchen sink so as not to make a mess
'Tis the Nubbz way. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 18, 2023, 06:18:12 AM
This gets to it. Trying to come up with rigid "classification" criteria misses the point. The reason we have words in a language is to facilitate the exchange of information.

Your goal when communicating should be to use language that limits the likelihood that you will be misunderstood.

Sure, you can say a burger, or a hot dog, or a taco, is a sandwich. But if you say "let's have sandwiches" and a plate of tacos shows up, you didn't use as clear of a word to get your point across that you could. Granted, I'm not gonna be mad; tacos are delicious. But I will be confused.

And when someone says you need a "protein" between bread to make it a sandwich, well, wheat has protein. So by that definition you could stick a slice of bread between two slices of bread and call it a sandwich. But that's not how we use the term "protein"--we typically use it to express the concept that meat, poultry, or fish is involved.

So the entire debate is pointless IMHO. A burger might technically be a sandwich, but there is a better word to describe it than sandwich; call it a burger.
This is why, on most menus now, so see the "handhelds" category.

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 08:38:06 AM
We Americans do love our handheld foods.  Perhaps because we so often eat on-the-go.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 08:42:03 AM
Strong words from CD on another thread:


Quote
How many items combine a kind of bread with other stuff?  A lot.  French onion soup is just a sandwich.  Beef Wellington?  Sandwich.

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 08:42:33 AM
The origins of these things is often interesting, the hot dog for example which I think most of us know.  

I like a good hamburger a lot.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 08:45:47 AM
Is an "open-faced sandwich" actually a sandwich?  Only one piece of bread, so it fails many definitions of the classification.

In related news, I do love me a Kentucky Hot Brown. I have a buddy who throws a Kentucky Derby party every year, and he makes delicious Hot Browns along with a tasty mint julep.

(https://i.imgur.com/tIZudB6.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 18, 2023, 08:57:02 AM
Is an "open-faced sandwich" actually a sandwich?  
Definitely not. The proper test is if you say "I'd like a good sandwich. Surprise me." Then on a scale of 1-10 how annoyed you would be based on what is served to you and whether it fits what you were expecting. The second they give you a knife and fork they can GTFO.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 09:01:06 AM
Open faced what?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 18, 2023, 09:18:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Uf5GvZ6jc
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 09:33:53 AM
This is why, on most menus now, so see the "handhelds" category.

not in this neck of the woods
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 09:35:09 AM
Open faced what?
yup, it's a derned sammich

just laid open to add gravy or otherwise enhance it at presentation
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
We chat about food here a lot.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 10:21:13 AM
At least this time I created a dedicated thread for it.  These B1G folk get all antsy when we stray off topic on the important "Who should play 4th string TE for Illinois?" type of threads.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 10:31:57 AM
this is not the Porch
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 10:38:57 AM
this is not the Porch
truer words never spoken
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 11:51:17 AM
An egg McMuffin is a sandwich, so is a ham biscuit.

So is plywood.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 18, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
Made in any of the splendid ways does it really matter what you call it. Even I don't eat them over the sink - need a plate for all of the good stuff that falls off
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 12:07:02 PM
That's a wrap.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 18, 2023, 12:07:54 PM
An egg McMuffin is a sandwich, so is a ham biscuit.

So is plywood.
So is a guy between two girls.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 18, 2023, 12:14:09 PM
So is a guy between two girls.
(https://i.imgur.com/rAoezy4.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2023, 12:15:12 PM
One of the Greatest Movies of All Time.

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 18, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
The Most Iconic Sandwich in Every State (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/recipes/the-most-iconic-sandwich-in-every-state/ss-AA1fiAfc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c7f32bb133224a33a4b0978bbc96793a&ei=22)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 04:17:25 PM
Ain't nobody got time for an ad-riddled slideshow like that, my man.

I did just think of another compelling question, though: Is a sausage wrap, a taco?

For those not familiar, down here in Texico it's not uncommon for a BBQ restaurant to serve you a link of smoked sausage, wrapped in a flour tortilla.  You could throw on some mustard like a hot dog, or some BBQ sauce, or even some salsa picante in true Mexican fashion.  

Since it's a filling in a tortilla, it meets my own technical definition of a taco.  But if someone said, "Hey I'm bringing home tacos for dinner" and then they showed up with sausage wraps, I'd still eat it and still enjoy it, but I would be surprised and confused.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 18, 2023, 04:34:53 PM
What about that in n out burger with the lettuce as the bun? 

(https://www.ketodirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/keto-in-n-out-burger.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 18, 2023, 05:08:17 PM
What about that in n out burger with the lettuce as the bun?

(https://www.ketodirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/keto-in-n-out-burger.jpg)

Still a burger, but only as a special case. It's taking a food that is defined as having a certain ingredient on the top and bottom and replacing it to fulfill a dietary purpose that you can't fulfill with the original product. 

I can say as someone that back in the day did Atkins and ordered my share of double-doubles "protein style", it wasn't a selection I would have taken if I wasn't on a self-imposed dietary restriction. Now that I'm not doing low-carb, I *never* order it like that. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2023, 05:56:32 PM
When is a burger not a sandwich?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: jgvol on August 18, 2023, 07:55:39 PM
When is a burger not a sandwich?

When it’s a steak.  Smothered in brown gravy, and sautéed onions.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 18, 2023, 08:08:55 PM
One of the Greatest Movies of All Time.


I was referencing Office Space to a coworker yesterday and then I realized she's like 24.  
I'm realizing "it was a 90s movie" is a cringe share nowadays.  

The 90s were excellent and sucks for them that they have no idea.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: jgvol on August 18, 2023, 08:17:50 PM
I was referencing Office Space to a coworker yesterday and then I realized she's like 24. 
I'm realizing "it was a 90s movie" is a cringe share nowadays. 

The 90s were excellent and sucks for them that they have no idea.


Should have shown her your “O” face.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 18, 2023, 08:26:22 PM
In my dreams.  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 18, 2023, 08:32:53 PM
In my dreams. 
You are the Lumbergh now
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Still a burger, but only as a special case. It's taking a food that is defined as having a certain ingredient on the top and bottom and replacing it to fulfill a dietary purpose that you can't fulfill with the original product.

I can say as someone that back in the day did Atkins and ordered my share of double-doubles "protein style", it wasn't a selection I would have taken if I wasn't on a self-imposed dietary restriction. Now that I'm not doing low-carb, I *never* order it like that.
What about that in n out burger with the lettuce as the bun?

[img width=500 height=252.991]https://www.ketodirty.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/keto-in-n-out-burger.jpg[/img]
maybe a burger - not really
certainly not a sammich
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 10:07:43 PM
When is a burger not a sandwich?
when it's not in between bread
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
haven't seen an episode of Office space

too old

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 06:51:18 AM
haven't seen an episode of Office space

too old
It's a movie, not a series.  Maybe they followed with one, I know there is something called Office out there I think, I never watched it.  When I was working, I had these folks in India send me a weekly summary of competitive patents which I literally put a cover sheet on and sent it out to over 100 people.  When I was given this job, I renamed it The Patent Summary Report.  In 8 years of sending it, I had one person note the association.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 07:13:54 AM
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The issue often is whether these include the essential amino acids in paired quantities.  Corn and beans does this, but not each one along.

Beans are incomplete proteins because they are low in one key amino acid (amino acids are used by the body to build protein) called methionine. Cereal grains—including corn, rice and wheat—are high in methionine yet lack another amino acid found in beans.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 08:38:04 AM
When it’s a steak.  Smothered in brown gravy, and sautéed onions. 

I enjoy a good chopped steak now and then. Add mushrooms too.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 08:39:50 AM
Eat more corn!!
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2023, 08:43:35 AM
husk more corn!
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 08:46:26 AM
A good burger, no bun, to me is almost as good as a decent steak, depending.  I'm still having great luck with flatirons from Kroger.  I splurged a bit the other day on a prime ribeye from the local butcher, frankly I was a bit disappointed at $30 a pound, bone in.

Our Kroger has really good sushi, which of course I consider to be a sandwich.

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2023, 09:04:11 AM
haven't seen an episode of Office space

too old


Office Space is a movie that came out in 1999.  It starred Jennifer Anniston from Friends and was written and directed by Mike Judge who also did Beavis and Butt-head, King of the Hill, and a few other things you might have heard of.

The Office is a television series.  Well, actually two television series.  Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Office Space is worth a watch, it's held up pretty well and is still relevant IMO.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 09:07:01 AM
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Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 19, 2023, 09:31:33 AM


Office Space was also the name of Mike Judge's first cartoon short, which was used as a scene for the movie. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPXUDw_LlNA
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 09:36:40 AM
OFFICE SPACE Clip - "Move Your Desk Again" (1999) Stephen Root - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDGlWYnBRWA)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 09:37:24 AM
Peter Kills Interview with Bobs - Office Space (1999) Movie Clip HD - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_1lIFRdnhA)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 12:30:04 PM
haven't seen an episode of Office space

too old


Oh sweet baby jesus.
This is both horribly inaccurate, but then perfectly accurate.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 12:30:48 PM
You are the Lumbergh now
Yeah......Hi......
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 12:43:36 PM
WTF is office space, and why is it taking up space in an otherwise great thread?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
It's a good movie about office cubicle workers hating their lives.  
You should watch it.
There's no burgers in it, but a guy cleans a fish at his desk!  
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 19, 2023, 12:54:49 PM
When I was in college, I thought that movie was a comedy. 

But when I started at Initech, I realized it was a documentary. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 01:04:49 PM
Any time I hear the name Peter aloud, my automatic reaction is to murmur "check out channel 9, it's the breast chick."
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 19, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
Is Stephen Root the greatest character actor of all time? 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 01:38:53 PM
Is nigiri a sandwich?  No
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 02:18:17 PM
Is Stephen Root the greatest character actor of all time?
(https://i.imgur.com/9S1U8Yu.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
I went to an Ethiopian restaurant.  I can't tell you anything we ordered, but it came with a spongy tortilla thing.  I didn't want to get my hands all messy, so I sandwiched all the foodstuffs within a fold of that spongy bread thing. 

No burgers, though.
I was distracted by the waiter taking off his shoes and putting them back on EVERY time he came to our floor table.  
Dude was 100% on that.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 02:40:15 PM
Just had a nice lunch at Blue India, which is not surprisingly an Indian place, very very good, nearly every table was Indian looking folks.  I took photos of one group dining there for them.  They  of course are famous for naan.  We both had saag of two kinds, very good, I could have made a sandwich with the naan and saag.

I really like saag.  If I had to be vegan, I'd do a lot of Indian.  And Thai.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 02:44:19 PM
I went to an Ethiopian restaurant.  I can't tell you anything we ordered, but it came with a spongy tortilla thing.  I didn't want to get my hands all messy, so I sandwiched all the foodstuffs within a fold of that spongy bread thing. 

No burgers, though.
I was distracted by the waiter taking off his shoes and putting them back on EVERY time he came to our floor table. 
Dude was 100% on that.
WTF?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 02:44:56 PM
Just had a nice lunch at Blue India, which is not surprisingly an Indian place, very very good, nearly every table was Indian looking folks.  I took photos of one group dining there for them.  They  of course are famous for naan.  We both had saag of two kinds, very good, I could have made a sandwich with the naan and saag.

I really like saag.  If I had to be vegan, I'd do a lot of Indian.  And Thai.
Why would you have to be?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2023, 02:52:35 PM
Maybe for health reasons, dunno.  I might decide to be one for whatever reason.  I think I'd lose weight anyway.  I used to be thin as a rail, really malnourished looking, 6'4" and 175.  I stayed around 180 for years and years.  Then I stopped any exercise.  And started drinking more.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2023, 02:55:15 PM
I have relatives (in CA) who are vegan.

None are remotely close to thin. Quite the opposite, actually.

That wedding menu was a joke. Thankfully they had a sushi station for normal people. That helped a lot.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 02:57:30 PM
Maybe for health reasons, dunno.  I might decide to be one for whatever reason.  I think I'd lose weight anyway.  I used to be thin as a rail, really malnourished looking, 6'4" and 175.  I stayed around 180 for years and years.  Then I stopped any exercise.  And started drinking more.
Doctor's orders?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MaximumSam on August 19, 2023, 03:00:03 PM

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Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2023, 06:00:03 PM
haven't seen an episode of Office space

too old
It's a movie, not a series.  
See he's not lying - like with his score card
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2023, 06:03:07 PM
An egg McMuffin is a sandwich, so is a ham biscuit.

So is plywood.
So is a guy between two girls.
num,num,num,num
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 19, 2023, 07:44:46 PM
Has this already been said?
burger:  ground beef pattie on bun
sandwich:  everything else on every other kind of bread
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2023, 07:59:34 PM
I'm not wasting my time watching any of it

even on a dark cold evening in February
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2023, 08:01:39 PM
A good burger, no bun, to me is almost as good as a decent steak, depending.  I'm still having great luck with flatirons from Kroger.  I splurged a bit the other day on a prime ribeye from the local butcher, frankly I was a bit disappointed at $30 a pound, bone in.

Our Kroger has really good sushi, which of course I consider to be a sandwich.


you need to have a steak off my grill
WAY better than any burger

or better yet, we'll enjoy Archie's waeside's dry aged steaks
I'll buy
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2023, 08:41:15 PM
Hey Moose,Rocko help the duffer find his wallet
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 19, 2023, 08:55:15 PM
come on over Nubbz. bring the wife

I'll buy you and the lovely a steak 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2023, 12:37:45 AM
Maybe for health reasons, dunno.  I might decide to be one for whatever reason.  I think I'd lose weight anyway.  I used to be thin as a rail, really malnourished looking, 6'4" and 175.  I stayed around 180 for years and years.  Then I stopped any exercise.  And started drinking more.
You're drinking at 180 yrs - good for
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2023, 06:45:35 AM
come on over Nubbz. bring the wife

I'll buy you and the lovely a steak
Well perhaps if CD can swing by in his puddle jumper he flew & pick us up and put her down on the back nine there I'd take you up on that
:welcome:
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2023, 07:06:45 AM
I've landed in worse settings ...
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2023, 07:18:55 AM
Do we have clearance,Clarence?

What's your vector,Victor?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2023, 07:23:10 AM
Ugh, I hated having to get a clearance, for whatever reason.  It usually was simply enough, but at times, not.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2023, 07:25:33 AM
Taking off or landing?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2023, 07:31:17 AM
Our base airport was uncontrolled, but there was Class B airspace (CVG) not far to the south.  Getting a clearance at a small airport was not big deal, but the Big Ones often would ignore you, saying "Stay clear of Class B", so you'd have to go around.   It was part of the flight test, as I dimly recall.

(Class A airspace is anything above 18,000 feet, so Class B is the largest airport situation.)

I somehow left all my gear back in Cincy, including my log book and license.  I recently sent off to get my license, and it came.  I pondered a bit getting currrent again and thought "Nah".  It's expensive and not very practical, kind of like golf.

Most private pilots only fly to maintain currency, they don't often really go anywhere.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2023, 11:27:47 AM
Do you serve burgers or sandwiches as your in flight meal?

Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2023, 11:32:19 AM
Our base airport was uncontrolled
:o who do they think they are Congress?
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 20, 2023, 11:32:40 AM
Do you serve burgers or sandwiches as your in flight meal?


Nigiri. 
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2023, 11:34:05 AM
Nigiri.
Open-faced sushi.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2023, 11:36:39 AM
Do you serve burgers or sandwiches as your in flight meal?


A Cessna 172 has about 4 hours endurance, and you should be down after 3.5.  A few have a 50 gallon fuel tank.

They have relatively large engines for just 4 cylinders.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 10:43:43 AM
Had a really good sandwich for linner yesterday.

Bacon, lettuce, mayo, tomato and melted cheddar cheese on griddled Texas toast.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: utee94 on August 21, 2023, 11:03:17 AM
I'm always happy to eat a BLT and variations thereof.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
6 strips of bacon on that bad boy.
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2023, 11:34:03 AM
hope it was thick cut and chewy!
Title: Re: Is a Hamburger a Sandwich?
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 21, 2023, 11:41:22 AM
It was. Probably the best rendition of a BLT I've ever had.