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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on August 14, 2023, 05:42:32 PM
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This was mentioned in our ongoing rankings thread but being that it is exactly on point for what we (mostly) discuss here, I think it warrants it's own thread. With 1st place votes (in parentheses) and points (#26+ are ORV):
- Georgia (60) 1572
- Michigan (2) 1490
- Ohio State (1) 1400
- Alabama 1398
- Louisiana State 1276
- USC 1245
- Penn State 1177
- Florida State 1147
- Clemson 1032
- Washington 877
- Texas 882
- Tennessee 868
- Notre Dame 863
- Utah 811
- Oregon 732
- Kansas State 511
- TCU 416
- Oregon State 406
- Wisconsin 386
- Oklahoma 296
- North Carolina 292
- Ole Miss 281
- Texas A&M 227
- Tulane 224
- Iowa 131
- TxTech 101
- USCe 73
- UCLA 66
- UTSA 64
- Arkansas 22
- BoiseSt 17
- Pitt 16
- Kentucky 14
- Troy 10
- Louisville 10
- Auburn 7
- Minnesota 6
- Duke 4
- Toledo 4
- MissSt 4
- Florida 4
- Baylor 3
- Illinois 3
- Costal Carolina 3
- NCST 1
- S. Bama 1
- James Madison 1
- Liberty 1
#1:
This is Georgia's 38th appearaance at #1, ties them with LSU for 11th
Appearances in the Top-5:
- UGA, 174, 12th
- M, 310, 5th
- tOSU, 422, 3rd
- Bama, 454, 1st
- LSU, 136, 14th
Appearances in the Top-10:
- UGA, 353, 12th
- M, 550, 5th
- tOSU, 686, 1st
- Bama, 617, 3rd
- LSU, 327, 14th
- USC, 487, 7th
- PSU, 400, 9th
- FSU, 369, 10th
- Clemson, 215, 18th
- Washington, 179, 22nd
Appearances in the top-25:
- UGA, 646, 11th
- M, 904, 2nd
- tOSU, 967, 1st
- Bama, 858, tied with ND for 4th
- LSU, 650, 10th
- USC, 804, 6th
- PSU, 679, 9th
- FSU, 568, 15th
- Clemson, 494, 18th
- Washington, 466, 20th
- Texas, 758, 7th
- Tennessee, 604, 13th
- Notre Dame, 858, tied with Bama for 4th
- Utah, 163, 57th
- Oregon, 351, 25th
- KSU, 231, 40th
- TCU, 255, 37th (breaks a tie with Mizzou)
- OrSU, 102, 66th
- Wisconsin, 415, 23rd
- Okla, 883, 3rd
- UNC, 270 36th
- OleMiss, 318 26th
- aTm, 489, 19th
- Tulane, 69 tied with Rice and Wake for 71st
- Iowa, 358, 24th
Frequently ranked teams that are NOT ranked in this poll:
- #8 UNL, 730
- #12 Florida, 644
- #14 Auburn, 602
- #17 Miami, 513
- #21 Arkansas, 432
- #22 Michigan State, 419
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Wow
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I'm surprised to see that hard ceiling at #5 for Penn State. With what they're bringing back, if not now, when??
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Interesting to me it was 3 SEC writers that didn't put Georgia 1st.
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bama fans
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I have read that Kentucky might be pretty good, again. Ole Miss gets some notice. LSU is said to be quite good again. With USCe there is a variety of opinion. Somebody of course will end up winning some close games and having a nice looking record while being really fairly mediocre.
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I'm surprised to see that hard ceiling at #5 for Penn State. With what they're bringing back, if not now, when??
If things play out as expected (I know they won't but just saying), you really have to feel sorry for Penn State. Look at the six teams ranked closest to them:
- #4 Bama is the #1 team in their division and #2 in their league.
- #5 LSU is #2 in their division and #3 in their league.
- #6 USC is #1 in their league
- #8 FSU is #1 in their league
- #9 Clemson is #2 in their division and league.
- #10 Washington is #2 in their league.
All of those teams are either favored to make their CG or only need one minor upset to become the favorite. Then there is PSU, third in their division.
Their division makes things challenging.
Per the AP Poll:
Sec-E:
SEC-W
- #4 Bama
- #5 LSU
- #22 Ole Miss
B1G-W:
- #19 Wisconsin
- #25 Iowa
- ORV #12 Minnesota
B1G-E
If the AP Poll is right (I realize probably not, but just as a guide), there are only six teams in the whole country better than PSU but PSU's misfortune is that two of them are in their division. The rest of the third-best teams in their divisions are either unranked (USCe, MN) or barely ranked (Ole Miss).
Joel Klatt talked about this on his YouTube show and came to the same realization that I shared here a few months ago, specifically:
If PSU, tOSU, and M all go 11-1 the decisive tiebreaker will be the cumulative conference records of the three teams' B1G-W opponents. Klatt then used Vegas' W/L predictions and, once again, came to the same conclusion that I did, this appears to favor:
- tOSU (PU, MN, UW) followed by
- M (PU, MN, UNL) then
- PSU (IA, IL, NU).
Another thing Katt pointed out is something that @Big Beef Tacosupreme (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1529) has mentioned, PSU is built to take on the Buckeyes and has matchup problems with Michigan. Klatt gave Franklin credit here by pointing out that tOSU has been the team to beat in the B1G for years so it made sense for Franklin to do exactly that: Build a team to beat tOSU. So he tried to do that and he has a really good team this year that just might actually be able to do that. Unfortunately for PSU, they STILL likely can't win the division unless either:
- They can also beat M, or
- The Buckeyes beat M, all three teams tie at 11-1, and NU is a whole lot better than most of us expect.
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I'm surprised to see that hard ceiling at #5 for Penn State. With what they're bringing back, if not now, when??
James Franklin is still the coach.
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I don't think many voters see PSU as top five at this point. I'm fairly impressed with what I've read here about them, but their path is tough of course. 11-1 would be outstanding for them. I usually try and look at 15-30+for teams that could exceed their ranking. Kentucky could be an 8-4 kind of team.
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Kentucky could be an 8-4 kind of team.
Well sure, lots of teams could go 8-4 when your OOC schedule is:
Ball State
Eastern Kentucky
Akron
Louisville
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A lot of programs play 3 pastries OOC and one P5 of whatever ilk. A 9-3 record gets you ranked, 8-4 borderline, but a bowl win gets you ranked.
The get Bama Xdiv and Miss State. They might split those, and then lose to Tenn/UGA/someone else. They might beat Tenn. Searching teams below 15 isn't obvious I find, and schedule is a factor.
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A lot of programs play 3 pastries OOC and one P5 of whatever ilk. A 9-3 record gets you ranked, 8-4 borderline, but a bowl win gets you ranked.
The get Bama Xdiv and Miss State. They might split those, and then lose to Tenn/UGA/someone else. They might beat Tenn. Searching teams below 15 isn't obvious I find, and schedule is a factor.
A lot of SEC programs do. B12 and B1G play 9 conference games and only 3 OOC games.
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Sure, but for us, it means more. So there.
And you are about to be "us" so you need to get your excuses ready. I have a length list. There will be a test.
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Hey we already lost our bowl last year because "we didn't really want to be there" so I think we're coming around on the excuse-making.
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And that's a good one, we use it ourselves fairly often when playing Texas. Keep it handy, but we have a lot more. Weather is also a good one, or can be.
"We get everyone's best shot."
"The refs hate us."
I'll email you the book.
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James Franklin is still the coach.
Franklin feels like he’s in that weird spot Mark Richt was with Georgia before he was canned. Ninety percent of fanbases around the country would love to have his results. Penn St fans wonder what’s keeping them from being Ohio St (and Michigan of late).
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I think when your team is a consistent 10 game winner with occasional conference championships your fan base will want to take the next step. And after a decade plus of being "pretty good", folks want really good and elite. The problem of course is that your new coach may be no better, and even worse, I think often he's going to be worse.
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I think when your team is a consistent 10 game winner with occasional conference championships your fan base will want to take the next step. And after a decade plus of being "pretty good", folks want really good and elite. The problem of course is that your new coach may be no better, and even worse, I think often he's going to be worse.
This is for the most part Drew. True believer fans usually think the next big step is right around the corner. I remember when Badgers fans felt that way when I was in college.
every so often you get a Kirby Smart. After you get Ed O at Ole Miss or Tim Brewster.
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Yeah, I think about 90% of the time, when a very good team fires or loses their coach, they end up worse for it. Then they can get into a downward spiral that is tough to break. Maybe the Vols have hit on a good one, I don't know obv.
This is one reason Ohio State's consistency is so remarkable, but of course teams kept coaches for eons back in the day as a rule.
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28. UCLA 66
Little surprised to see UCLA this high, receiving 66 votes. Then again my Lindy’s preview has UCLA at 31 so there’s consensus.
QB is a question mark for the first time since Chip Kelly's first season in Westwood, RB Zach Charbonnet who powered long-hauls of backfield production is gone to the Seahawks, and the OL and the back seven of a defense that collapsed at the end of last season is rebuilt with portal transfers.
Good news is the Bruins are a stable program working with a healthy measure of goodwill by going 17-8 these past two seasons, the depth across the roster is the most robust it’s been under Chip Kelly going into his 6th season coaching UCLA, and the schedule lends itself to a third straight winning season.
Another 8 or 9 wins is doable if the roster settles right.
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I had UCLA as my pick last year, a team that would do better than expected, and they did, early on, and ended decently. I'm thinking Kentucky this year, but am not sure as they play Bama and @UGA and Tenn, so that could be 3 Ls off the top. They might beat Tenn.
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James Franklin is still the coach.
correct. Franklin can't coach his way out of a paper bag. And they still don't have quite the top end talent of OSU or even Michigan imo. Both rosters are just better top to bottom. Both also just have better head coaches.
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I had UCLA as my pick last year, a team that would do better than expected, and they did, early on, and ended decently. I'm thinking Kentucky this year, but am not sure as they play Bama and @UGA and Tenn, so that could be 3 Ls off the top. They might beat Tenn.
Told you last year....we do not lose to Kentucky.
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There’s something nice with the AP poll is that it produces what is in essence a wisdom of crowds because it sands down all the sharp edges of a specific ballot.
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Franklin feels like he’s in that weird spot Mark Richt was with Georgia before he was canned. Ninety percent of fanbases around the country would love to have his results. Penn St fans wonder what’s keeping them from being Ohio St (and Michigan of late).
No doubt. Ohio State's two coaches between Woody and Tressel both lived in this universe for long stretches of time.
Ohio State had no choice but to fire Woody after he punched an opposing Player in the Gator Bowl after the 1978 season. Truth be told, however, the decision was made somewhat easier by the fact that Woody's only ever three-game skid against The Team Up North (TTUN) was 1976-1978, his last three.
Earle Bruce had been an assistant on Woody's NC Team in 1968 (66-71 in total) then had a couple HC jobs before tOSU grabbed him from Iowa State after firing Woody. In his nine years as HC at Ohio State he notably bested Bo 5-4 (Bo had bested Woody 5-4-1) but after a terrific first year mostly with Woody's recruits, he slid into losing three games every year:
- 79: 11-1, beat M, lost a CLOSE RB to USC that would have been for an NC.
- 80: 9-3, L to M, also lost to PSU in the Fiesta Bowl. Team was 9-1 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 81: 9-3, beat M and beat Navy in the Liberty Bowl. Basically the opposite of 1980. This team was only 7-3 going into THE GAME, but won their last two. This team was co-champion of the BigTen but lost out to Iowa on the "longest loser" tiebreaker.
- 82: 9-3, beat M, beat BYU in the Holiday Bowl. This team was 7-3 going into THE GAME but won their last two. Ohio State and Michigan each had one league loss but Michigan played nine and Ohio State played eight league games so Michigan had a better winning percentage because 8-1>7-1.
- 83: 9-3, L to M, beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. This team was 8-2 heading into THE GAME and split their last two.
- 84: 9-3, beat M, L to USC in the Rose Bowl. Yet another close RB loss (20-17 this time). Similar to 83 being 8-2 going into THE GAME and splitting the last two.
- 85: 9-3, L to M, beat BYU in the Citrus Bowl. Same as the two prior years being 8-2 and splitting the last two games.
- 86: 10-3, L to M (CLOSE, 26-24), beat aTm in the Cotton Bowl. They had an extra game because they played Bama at the Meadowlands in the Kick Off Classic. They lost their first two, won nine straight, lost to M, and won their bowl.
- 87: 6-4-1, Beat M, no bowl. Coach Bruce was fired prior to THE GAME and the surprise 23-20 upset in Ann Arbor would be Ohio State's last win up there until Jim Tressel's first year, 2001.
Bruce really only had one bad year, his last. Even that was still above .500 and within a few years of that time that would have easily been good enough for a bowl. I don't think he was fired for the ONE bad year. He was fired because he was close but no cigar for his entire tenure.
Then came the dark times (at least with respect to the rivalry) of John Cooper but even during that time, after 1991 the Buckeyes were generally very good, they just couldn't beat Michigan or win bowls:
- 88: 4-6-1 L to M*, no bowl. The other reason Bruce was fired was that recruiting had dropped off. The cupboard was bare when Cooper arrived and it took him a few years to restock it.
- 89: 8-4, L to M, lost to Auburn in the HoF Bowl. This team was 8-2 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 90: 7-4-1, L to M, lost to Air Force in the Liberty Bowl. This team was 7-2-1 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 91: 8-4, L to M, lost to Syracuse in the HoF Bowl. The loss to Syracuse along with the previous year's loss to Air Force were just inexcusable. Ohio State EASILY beat Syracuse at their place a few months later but regular season games against teams not named Michigan were easy for Cooper.
- 92: 8-3-1, tied M, lost to UGA in the Citrus Bowl. So in his fifth year Cooper FINALLY didn't lose to Michigan.
- 93: 10-1-1, L to M, beat BYU in the Holiday Bowl. So in his sixth year Cooper FINALLY won a bowl game! This team was a BigTen co-champ with Wisconsin and lost out to the Badgers on the "Longest Loser" tiebreaker. But for the Michigan loss they'd have been in the Rose Bowl (which UW won) playing for an NC.
- 94: 9-4, beat M, lost to Bama in the Citrus Bowl. So in his seventh year Cooper FINALLY beat Michigan. This was something of a rebuilding year but ended REALLY well. First, Cooper FINALLY got his first win over Michigan and then the bowl loss wasn't as bad as it might seem. Bama was REALLY good that year. They finished 12-1 with their only loss being by a single point to Florida in the SECCG and Ohio State played them to a 24-17 decision. Given that Ohio State had three prior losses that was NOT expected.
- 95: 11-2, L to M, lost to TN in the Citrus Bowl. There are a lot of Ohio State fans who still call Tennessee "Tennecheat" or "Tennecleat" over this loss. The field was quite sloppy and apparently the Volunteers wore impermissibly long cleats. I really don't get hung up on that because I don't care. Ohio State was 11-0 and in the thick of the NC race before the loss to Michigan and everything after that was anti-climactic.
- 96: 11-1, L to M, beat ASU in the Rose Bowl. I attended this Rose Bowl. It was great to be there and see my team win but the whole thing was a disappointment because if it hadn't been for the loss to Michigan the Buckeyes would have been NC after UF beat FSU later that night.
- 97: 10-3, L to M, lost to FSU in the Sugar Bowl. The Buckeyes were 10-1 and lost their last two.
- 98: 11-1, beat M, beat aTm in the Sugar Bowl. This was Cooper's best team and a truly great team it was. Their only loss was a strange upset to a Michigan State team coached by some guy named Saban. I've heard he's done pretty well for himself elsewhere since then.
- 99: 6-6, L to M, no bowl.
- 00: 8-4, L to M, lost to USCe in the Outback Bowl.
Both Bruce's and Cooper's are records that most schools would LOVE to have but when you coach at a helmet, that isn't enough.
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No doubt. Ohio State's two coaches between Woody and Tressel both lived in this universe for long stretches of time.
Ohio State had no choice but to fire Woody after he punched an opposing Player in the Gator Bowl after the 1978 season. Truth be told, however, the decision was made somewhat easier by the fact that Woody's only ever three-game skid against The Team Up North (TTUN) was 1976-1978, his last three.
Earle Bruce had been an assistant on Woody's NC Team in 1968 (66-71 in total) then had a couple HC jobs before tOSU grabbed him from Iowa State after firing Woody. In his nine years as HC at Ohio State he notably bested Bo 5-4 (Bo had bested Woody 5-4-1) but after a terrific first year mostly with Woody's recruits, he slid into losing three games every year:
- 79: 11-1, beat M, lost a CLOSE RB to USC that would have been for an NC.
- 80: 9-3, L to M, also lost to PSU in the Fiesta Bowl. Team was 9-1 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 81: 9-3, beat M and beat Navy in the Liberty Bowl. Basically the opposite of 1980. This team was only 7-3 going into THE GAME, but won their last two. This team was co-champion of the BigTen but lost out to Iowa on the "longest loser" tiebreaker.
- 82: 9-3, beat M, beat BYU in the Holiday Bowl. This team was 7-3 going into THE GAME but won their last two. Ohio State and Michigan each had one league loss but Michigan played nine and Ohio State played eight league games so Michigan had a better winning percentage because 8-1>7-1.
- 83: 9-3, L to M, beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. This team was 8-2 heading into THE GAME and split their last two.
- 84: 9-3, beat M, L to USC in the Rose Bowl. Yet another close RB loss (20-17 this time). Similar to 83 being 8-2 going into THE GAME and splitting the last two.
- 85: 9-3, L to M, beat BYU in the Citrus Bowl. Same as the two prior years being 8-2 and splitting the last two games.
- 86: 10-3, L to M (CLOSE, 26-24), beat aTm in the Cotton Bowl. They had an extra game because they played Bama at the Meadowlands in the Kick Off Classic. They lost their first two, won nine straight, lost to M, and won their bowl.
- 87: 6-4-1, Beat M, no bowl. Coach Bruce was fired prior to THE GAME and the surprise 23-20 upset in Ann Arbor would be Ohio State's last win up there until Jim Tressel's first year, 2001.
Bruce really only had one bad year, his last. Even that was still above .500 and within a few years of that time that would have easily been good enough for a bowl. I don't think he was fired for the ONE bad year. He was fired because he was close but no cigar for his entire tenure.
Then came the dark times (at least with respect to the rivalry) of John Cooper but even during that time, after 1991 the Buckeyes were generally very good, they just couldn't beat Michigan or win bowls:
- 88: 4-6-1 L to M*, no bowl. The other reason Bruce was fired was that recruiting had dropped off. The cupboard was bare when Cooper arrived and it took him a few years to restock it.
- 89: 8-4, L to M, lost to Auburn in the HoF Bowl. This team was 8-2 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 90: 7-4-1, L to M, lost to Air Force in the Liberty Bowl. This team was 7-2-1 going into THE GAME but lost their last two.
- 91: 8-4, L to M, lost to Syracuse in the HoF Bowl. The loss to Syracuse along with the previous year's loss to Air Force were just inexcusable. Ohio State EASILY beat Syracuse at their place a few months later but regular season games against teams not named Michigan were easy for Cooper.
- 92: 8-3-1, tied M, lost to UGA in the Citrus Bowl. So in his fifth year Cooper FINALLY didn't lose to Michigan.
- 93: 10-1-1, L to M, beat BYU in the Holiday Bowl. So in his sixth year Cooper FINALLY won a bowl game! This team was a BigTen co-champ with Wisconsin and lost out to the Badgers on the "Longest Loser" tiebreaker. But for the Michigan loss they'd have been in the Rose Bowl (which UW won) playing for an NC.
- 94: 9-4, beat M, lost to Bama in the Citrus Bowl. So in his seventh year Cooper FINALLY beat Michigan. This was something of a rebuilding year but ended REALLY well. First, Cooper FINALLY got his first win over Michigan and then the bowl loss wasn't as bad as it might seem. Bama was REALLY good that year. They finished 12-1 with their only loss being by a single point to Florida in the SECCG and Ohio State played them to a 24-17 decision. Given that Ohio State had three prior losses that was NOT expected.
- 95: 11-2, L to M, lost to TN in the Citrus Bowl. There are a lot of Ohio State fans who still call Tennessee "Tennecheat" or "Tennecleat" over this loss. The field was quite sloppy and apparently the Volunteers wore impermissibly long cleats. I really don't get hung up on that because I don't care. Ohio State was 11-0 and in the thick of the NC race before the loss to Michigan and everything after that was anti-climactic.
- 96: 11-1, L to M, beat ASU in the Rose Bowl. I attended this Rose Bowl. It was great to be there and see my team win but the whole thing was a disappointment because if it hadn't been for the loss to Michigan the Buckeyes would have been NC after UF beat FSU later that night.
- 97: 10-3, L to M, lost to FSU in the Sugar Bowl. The Buckeyes were 10-1 and lost their last two.
- 98: 11-1, beat M, beat aTm in the Sugar Bowl. This was Cooper's best team and a truly great team it was. Their only loss was a strange upset to a Michigan State team coached by some guy named Saban. I've heard he's done pretty well for himself elsewhere since then.
- 99: 6-6, L to M, no bowl.
- 00: 8-4, L to M, lost to USCe in the Outback Bowl.
Both Bruce's and Cooper's are records that most schools would LOVE to have but when you coach at a helmet, that isn't enough.
great post, but UGA/Richt is a little bit different.
Georgia didn't have the history of an OSU or even a Penn State- they weren't a helmet and they still went through with firing Richt and going after Kirby because they wanted to become a helmet. Richt is arguably the best HC that Georgia ever had and they still canned him. They decided to go all-in on winning and bring home Kirby Smart and well needless to say it's paid off in a huge way for them.
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great post, but UGA/Richt is a little bit different.
Georgia didn't have the history of an OSU or even a Penn State- they weren't a helmet and they still went through with firing Richt and going after Kirby because they wanted to become a helmet. Richt is arguably the best HC that Georgia ever had and they still canned him. They decided to go all-in on winning and bring home Kirby Smart and well needless to say it's paid off in a huge way for them.
That is a great point and if I had been Georgia’s AD, I would NOT have canned Richt. I'd have looked at the history that you mention and determined that we were unlikely to do any better.
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since 2004 every eventual national champion has been ranked top 7 in the AP pre-season poll except for 2010 Auburn (#22) and 2013 Florida State (#11) - both teams happened to feature Heisman winning QBs that were future #1 overall NFL draft picks in Cam Newton and Jameis Winston.
since 2004 only twice has the #1 team in the AP pre-season poll won the national title- 2004 USC and 2017 Alabama.
Since 1936- which began the AP poll era, no team has ever won 3 consecutive national titles.
Very likely that the national champion will be....UGA, Michigan, Ohio St, Bama, LSU, USC, or Penn State.
Smart money in Georgia vs the field would probably be on the field.
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I'd certainly take the field. While I think UGA will make the playoffs, they would likely have to beat two teams nearly as good, or just as good, or even better, call it 50-50 in each game. And of course they could miss the playoffs entirely if they lost to an 11-1 Tennessee. I'd take the field on an even bet with just about anything.
.UGA, Michigan, Ohio St, Bama, LSU, USC, or Penn State.
I suspect some fourth team will make it in, Clemson or somebody.
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I'm surprised to see that hard ceiling at #5 for Penn State. With what they're bringing back, if not now, when??
On paper, this is one of the most talented Penn State teams in recent memory. If this was ten years ago I'd feel pretty confident about PSU winning it all. However, things have changed dramatically with the transfer portal. The "top 5" go out and patch up whatever kind of small talent deficit they may have had, and it makes it that much more difficult for everyone else.
Also, Drew Allar is too much of an unknown to rank PSU any higher, methinks.
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James Franklin is still the coach.
Geez man.
Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin. I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you! ;)
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Franklin feels like he’s in that weird spot Mark Richt was with Georgia before he was canned. Ninety percent of fanbases around the country would love to have his results. Penn St fans wonder what’s keeping them from being Ohio St (and Michigan of late).
I think most Penn State fans really like Franklin. He has made steady improvement year after year, with the exception of the COVID year. As for the COVID year - His family was living in Florida and by his own admission he really struggled having them away.
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Geez man.
Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin. I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you! ;)
That did not sound right to me, and that is because it is not right. He's won three in a row, and PSU has won five in a row overall.
Each has been interesting
2021: Just a rock fight. UW wins with even slightly competent offense. But I kinda put that in the "shrug" category because that UW team was in fact not very good on offense (and hadn't figured out the RBs)
2018: A game I'm not even mad at. UW's backup QB was in and totally in over his head.
2016 in Indy: Yeah, that one sucked, UW blowing a 21-point lead. I think that PSU team was probably a hair better, but that was close top peak McSorley
2013: UW was pretty good, but the QB was kinda teetering, while PSU was that comeback team post-JoePa. UW had issues on both sides, Hackenberg was a beast and they had some big late bust that iced it.
2012: UW was bad at offense, pulled out one of the luckiest late drives you'll see to force OT. UW missed a kick to end it.
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Geez man.
Franklin has won 5 in a row against Wisconsin. I'd expect this kinda comment from an Ohio State fan maybe, but not you! ;)
I figured that would come up.
He should win against Wisconsin with the talent he accumulates.
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That did not sound right to me, and that is because it is not right. He's won three in a row, and PSU has won five in a row overall.
Each has been interesting
2021: Just a rock fight. UW wins with even slightly competent offense. But I kinda put that in the "shrug" category because that UW team was in fact not very good on offense (and hadn't figured out the RBs)
2018: A game I'm not even mad at. UW's backup QB was in and totally in over his head.
2016 in Indy: Yeah, that one sucked, UW blowing a 21-point lead. I think that PSU team was probably a hair better, but that was close top peak McSorley
2013: UW was pretty good, but the QB was kinda teetering, while PSU was that comeback team post-JoePa. UW had issues on both sides, Hackenberg was a beast and they had some big late bust that iced it.
2012: UW was bad at offense, pulled out one of the luckiest late drives you'll see to force OT. UW missed a kick to end it.
Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times. And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game.
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I figured that would come up.
He should win against Wisconsin with the talent he accumulates.
PSU has had a tough go of it as far as talent is concerned. PSU didn’t have 85 scholarships until 2016, and even then it took years for depth to be where it should. Then 2020 rolled around and recruiting floundered without in school visits and with franklins family hours away.
Penn state has had some great star players, but this is the first year that they have had depth across the board since the Joe Paterno years.
Look no further than 2020 to see this in action. Friermuth gets injured early, Parsons is ineligible because he thought the 2020 season wasn’t going to happen and got an agent. Journey Brown has a heart problem and has to retire, his backup misses the season with an injury… and their backups weren’t even close to the same level of talent. Final result was a team that fell far short of expectations.
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Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times. And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game.
welcome to overbloated conferences! where teams in the same conference can play fewer times than non-conference opponents.
bama and uga have played 7 times since 2010. only 2 were reg season conf game. and 2 weren't even conf titles games.
or bama/usc. we've played 1 time since 2010.
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Sorry, you are totally correct!
crazy that in 9 years PSU and UW played only 3 times. And one of those wasn’t even scheduled, it was the B1G championship game.
Founding members UW and UM went 6 years without playing at all, after 2010.
Then they were designated crossovers for 6 years. Now it's OSU and UW, but it won't be for 6 years as originally planned.
UW better be really good in 2024.
(https://i.imgur.com/0S0O1UV.png)
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5 at's in a row
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Carson Beck named starter at QB at UGA.
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welcome to overbloated conferences! where teams in the same conference can play fewer times than non-conference opponents.
bama and uga have played 7 times since 2010. only 2 were reg season conf game. and 2 weren't even conf titles games.
or bama/usc. we've played 1 time since 2010.
It doesn't have to be this way, even in bloated conferences.
We have very old, very unimaginative people making scheduling decisions.
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we could have guys figuring a 20 team conference with 10 team divisions is very simply 2 (10-team) conferences called divisions playing a round robin 9-gam schedule with a conf champ game that present's the champ to the playoff
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AP All-American teams...
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38233431/usc-qb-caleb-williams-tops-ap-preseason-all-americans
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10. Washington
Washington might be the most vulnerable preseason Top 10 team in a while.
Last season A LOT went right for the Huskies to go 11-2, finishing #8.
They won their close games, won the TO margins, and above all, Michael Penix stayed healthy.
Michael Penix is rightly billed as a Heisman Candidate going into this season, but I can’t think of a team more dependent on a single player than Washington is on Penix. And for a guy who was always injured as Indiana’s QB and was health-wise very fortunate last season, it’s a doubly risky dependency. I don’t see how Penix isn’t injured at some point this season.
Washington’s electric wide receiving corps all returns but three mainstays on the OL leave an offense that finished 2nd in total offense last season (518 yds/game).
Sept 16 @ Michigan State sets the tone of their season, as this same early matchup did so last year for both schools.
Speaking of Michigan State, anyone seen @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) lately?