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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on August 07, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
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1) Georgia
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
4) Alabama
5) Penn State
6) Washington
7) LSU
8) USC
9) Clemson
10) Florida State
11) Utah
12) Tennessee
13) Oregon
14) Texas
15) Oregon State
16) Oklahoma
17) Kansas State
18) Notre Dame
19) TCU
20) Ole Miss
21) North Carolina
22) Iowa
23) Wisconsin
24) Texas Tech
25) UCLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwJDNT_msc
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Kinda boring.
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I figured the first 14 teams would all be from the B1G, given his current stance. :)
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he seems to favor the ACC over the B12
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2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
5) Penn State
22) Iowa
23) Wisconsin
Biggest question for the current (2023 season) B1G teams:
2) Michigan:
Can they at least look like they belong in the CFP?
3) Ohio State:
Can they beat Michigan for the first time since the pandemic?
5) Penn State:
Can they win the B1G-E with both Ohio State and Michigan at full strength?
22) Iowa:
Can their offense outscore their defense?
23) Wisconsin:
Can they win a B1GCG for the first time in a decade (2-0 in the first two, 0-4 since)?
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he seems to favor the ACC over the B12
Oh wait, does he really? 5-3 in favor of B12?
1) Georgia
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
4) Alabama
5) Penn State
6) Washington
7) LSU
8) USC
9) Clemson ACC
10) Florida State ACC
11) Utah
12) Tennessee
13) Oregon
14) Texas B12
15) Oregon State
16) Oklahoma B12
17) Kansas State B12
18) Notre Dame
19) TCU B12
20) Ole Miss
21) North Carolina ACC
22) Iowa
23) Wisconsin
24) Texas Tech B12
25) UCLA
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I think Ralphie, the cow, kicked him in the head
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The Top Ten is 2-0 ...
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The Top Ten is 2-0 ...
Well then it's a good thing we were talking about "Joel Klatt's Pre-Season Top 25" when I made my comment.
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One could argue that the 5-3 count doesn't tell the entire story of course.
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Oh wait, does he really? 5-3 in favor of B12?
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Texas and Oklahoma are SEC SEC
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One could argue that the 5-3 count doesn't tell the entire story of course.
One could argue a lot of things that don't involve the discussion of "Joel Klatt's Pre-Season Top 25"
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Texas and Oklahoma are SEC SEC
Not in 2023, my friend.
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Also, Utah is a B12 team in 2024...
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The 5-3 count in Klatt's top 25 might not tell the whole story.
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The 5-3 count in Klatt's top 25 might not tell the whole story.
Tells me that Joel Klatt thinks there will be more B12 teams in the Top 25 than ACC.
Also tells me that Joel Klatt probably thinks that the ACC is top-heavy with some moderate strength at the top and then not much behind that. Sounds similar to comments someone else was making over on the B12 forum...
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Not in 2023, my friend.
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Ummmm, ok?
Do you have a point?
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yes, most folks are looking forward to next season
SEC SEC SEC
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One amusing thing to do is see how much overlap there is in these various rankings...
(https://i.imgur.com/g3lMiNE.png)
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yes, most folks are looking forward to next season
SEC SEC SEC
Well of course, the whole world is excited to see Texas playing Alabama as an OOC game in 2023. Obviously.
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I am
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One amusing thing to do is see how much overlap there is in these various rankings...
Texas Tech with A&M??
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I am
Hopefully Texas doesn't choke on Rice in Game1. If the Horns don't flub that one, I wonder if the voters will push Texas up to the top 10 to make that one a Top 10 matchup for week2? They've done such things before...
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Was he the guy with the stripped GF with the monkey?
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Also, one of the few things I care less about than an actual top 25 poll is a single person‘s top 25 ballot
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Was he the guy with the stripped GF with the monkey?
Yes indeed. The girlfriend's professional name is "Pole Assassin." I do not know the monkey's name.
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Thomas also claimed that the monkey, a female capuchin named Gia, has all of her shots and that it is an emotional support animal. Thomas' tweets detailing those claims have been deleted.
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Yes indeed. The girlfriend's professional name is "Pole Assassin." I do not know the monkey's name.
That was a fun day.
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Can't see tOSU getting no. 3/4 rankings with a new unproven QB
(https://i.imgur.com/HLvReS6.png)
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well, their last 3 or 4 new unproven QBs have been pretty good
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Can't see tOSU getting no. 3/4 rankings with a new unproven QB
(https://i.imgur.com/HLvReS6.png)
QB will be fine. Ryan Day = QB whisperer. It's the system, stupid.
Only issues I see with OSU is OL and Secondary. Gonna have to rebuild the OL a little bit with unproven tackles. If they aren't at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber- which I fail to see happening at a program like OSU....offense could bog down for stretches despite it's considerable talent at the skill positions.
Defense will be stout up front in the front 7. Comes down to their secondary improving and not giving up the huge pass play. Knowles seems to be from the Don Brown Dr Blitz river boat gambler style defense where he believes in pressure pressure pressure and leaves his corners and safeties on a lot of man to man islands- and unless you have a bunch of NFL DUDES that can really cover at a high level in man to man at both outside corner spots, AND the nickel spot, AND the dime spot, AND at both safety spots- well you're gonna give up massive pass plays vs the better offenses you face. And...basically no one in college ever has that.
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QB will be fine. Ryan Day = QB whisperer. It's the system, stupid.
Only issues I see with OSU is OL and Secondary. Gonna have to rebuild the OL a little bit with unproven tackles. If they aren't at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber- which I fail to see happening at a program like OSU....offense could bog down for stretches despite it's considerable talent at the skill positions.
Defense will be stout up front in the front 7. Comes down to their secondary improving and not giving up the huge pass play. Knowles seems to be from the Don Brown Dr Blitz river boat gambler style defense where he believes in pressure pressure pressure and leaves his corners and safeties on a lot of man to man islands- and unless you have a bunch of NFL DUDES that can really cover at a high level in man to man at both outside corner spots, AND the nickel spot, AND the dime spot, AND at both safety spots- well you're gonna give up massive pass plays vs the better offenses you face. And...basically no one in college ever has that.
A few things on this:
First, I agree that the big questions for tOSU are OL and DB's. I would add keeping everyone healthy, I see that as a necessary consideration for every team every year.
I also agree with your take on the OT's, tOSU needs, as you put it, "at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber guys." They don't necessarily need to be among the best in the league but they need to not be among the worst.
Secondary has been the weakness of tOSU's defenses for a few years. Against Michigan, for example, the front seven performed well enough to force a ton of short gains, TFL's, and three-and-outs but when that didn't happen the secondary didn't make the tackle at 10-20 yards, instead it was off to the races.
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Everybody has some soft spots.
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some more than others
some spots softer than others
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some more than others
some spots softer than others
And more glaring differences. Ohio State last year:
- Offense one of the best in the country.
- Defense one of the best in the country at forcing three-and-outs.
- Defense one if the worst in the country at allowing 40+ plays.
It is glaring because look at the damage, from The Game:
- FG set up by 33 yard pass on 3rd and 8.
- TD a 69 yard pass on 3rd and 9.
- TD a 75 yard pass on 1st and 10.
- TD a 45 yard pass on 1st and 10.
- TD a 75 yard run on 1st and 10.
- TD an 85 yard run on 3rd and 3.
38 of Michigan's 45 points were the result of really long plays. Eliminate 1/3 of those and it is a one-score game late. Eliminate 1/2 and it is tied or within less than a TD late.
Eliminate 2/3 and tOSU is milking a late lead.
Another way to look at it:
In the first 3.5 quarters Michigan's rushing stats were:
- 28 carries.
- 81 yards.
- 2.9 average.
- 19 yard long.
Those aren't generally winning numbers for a team as reliant on rushing as Michigan but it worked out for them because when they weren't running into a wall they were bombing it over the wall for long TD's.
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The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?
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The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?
don't think it's a lack of pass rush. Jim Knowles loves the rush, his defensive scheme seems to me like it's very similar to the school of Don Brown. Dude is all about pressure pressure pressure, he wants to blitz the shit out of the QB- which leaves DBs and LBs in man to man coverage more often than they should be- that works great when you're up 28+ points bc you're offense is scoring at will and vs 90% of the schedule that can't match up- but against the better teams with the better defenses that can slow down your offense a bit and vs the better QBs/OLs and WRs/TEs- well you're going to give up HUGE plays and not have the comfort of being up 40 at half time like you are vs most the teams you played all year.
Great scheme for your defense over powering and bludgeoning 90% of the teams on your schedule to a pulp. Don Brown would do this every year- then the 2-3 teams he faced a year that could actually counter it would rip his ass to complete shreds and hit huge pass play after huge pass play. Needless to say not a fan of that style defense in college.
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The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?
I really don't think that is the issue because in watching the games, most of the long passes that tOSU gave up weren't 40+ yard passes, they were short and intermediate passes that became long gains due to a missed tackle, bad pursuit angle, or other mistake in the secondary.
Michigan's first TD is a great example:
- 1st and 10, Edwards held to 2.
- 2nd and 8, Edwards pushed back a yard.
- 3rd and 9, ~6 yard pass play with a tOSU defender in position to simply escort the WR out of bounds for a 4th and ~3 punt.
As good as Michigan's Oline and RB's were, that was a great performance by the tOSU front 7 on 1st and 2nd and, as I see it, pass rush is generally a nonfactor on a pass that short. Actually, to the extent that it WAS a factor, it accomplished what it wanted to, it helped prevent Michigan from throwing far enough for the first down so I'm giving the tOSU front 7 an A+ for the series. They did everything asked of them.
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Yeah, that wouldn't be pass rush related. I don't recall whether OSU got pressure on Bennett, but he tended to be pretty elusive anyway.
Both QBs were 23 for 34 in that game, Bennett had one INT.