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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
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If you want, take a crack of bowls that WILL survive fine (nonplayoff), bowls that might straggle along, and bowls that will end almost certainly,.
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The total number will stay around 40 with the bottom 10 being replaced year after year
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Eventually all Schools that don't make the playoffs will be given the option to play a 13th game after a 12-game regular season. Schools can choose to go to a neutral site game and call it a bowl game if they like. Or they can have an actual 13th game scheduled at home or the road, which they can cancel or change if one or both of the teams goes to the playoffs or it's CCG.
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yup. the bottom stays the same\\
why not?
TV money prevails
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As long as the TV ratings are as high as they are, the most bottom-feeding bowls are here to stay:
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1605662966270959616
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I went with "something weird" because:
https://youtu.be/nt7-WKXL5vw
There are some good points made here:
The total number will stay around 40 with the bottom 10 being replaced year after year
As long as the TV ratings are as high as they are, the most bottom-feeding bowls are here to stay:
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1605662966270959616
These two are related. Live sports generate solid advertising revenue as long as there are a decent number of viewers and you can see from @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) 's post that even garbage bowls are doing about as well as great CBB matchups and NBA games so some network will pay enough to entice a city to try their hand at hosting.
As per @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) 's post, however, a lot of those cities will find that it isn't worth their efforts so there will be turnover.
I do think that the playoffs tend to suck all the oxygen out of the room so to speak. As they expand there will be less and less interest in non-playoff bowls.
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I went with "something weird" because:
https://youtu.be/nt7-WKXL5vw
There are some good points made here:These two are related. Live sports generate solid advertising revenue as long as there are a decent number of viewers and you can see from @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) 's post that even garbage bowls are doing about as well as great CBB matchups and NBA games so some network will pay enough to entice a city to try their hand at hosting.
As per @longhorn320 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=16) 's post, however, a lot of those cities will find that it isn't worth their efforts so there will be turnover.
I do think that the playoffs tend to suck all the oxygen out of the room so to speak. As they expand there will be less and less interest in non-playoff bowls.
I tend to agree, but I also thought that even a 4-team playoff would make a significant dent in the viewership for the minor bowls, but they still continue to bring in good enough ratings to remain televised.
Good point from lh320 though on the host cities/venues. They could definitely lose interest, but I suspect there will always be someone else to replace them, for a short time anyway.
And I'm not sure why so many college football message board fans are so down on the minor bowl games, to be honest. It's MORE football. I'm fine with that. By the end of May I'd absolutely LOVE to watch the weedeater bowl or the muffler bowl.
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I tend to agree, but I also thought that even a 4-team playoff would make a significant dent in the viewership for the minor bowls, but they still continue to bring in good enough ratings to remain televised.
I hadn't thought of this until reading your comment but come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that playoff expansion hasn't had much impact on viewership for games like the Weedeater and Muffler Bowls.
Interest in the lower tier bowls was never dependent upon NC, top-10, or even rankings because the teams in those bowls aren't really part of that conversation.
Now that I'm thinking it through, the biggest losers from playoff expansion are probably the second tier bowls and the non-CFP former first-tier bowls.
For example, your team and mine played in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2008 season). At the time that game was a big deal.Texas was 11-1 and ranked #3. Ohio State was 10-2 and ranked #10.
Texas BARELY missed the B12CG on a tiebreaker (with OU whom they beat and TxTech who beat them). Ohio State's situation was somewhat similar as they were co-champions of the Big11Ten but lost the RB tiebreaker due to a one-score loss to Penn State just like Texas missed the B12CG due to a one-score loss to TxTech.
The NC was off the table but a top-5 ranking was clearly on the table for Texas and possibly also for Ohio State, final rankings:
- 13-1 Florida, beat #2 OU in BCSNCG
- 13-0 Utah, beat #4 Bama in Sugar
- 12-1 USC, beat #6 PSU in Rose
- 12-1 Texas, beat #10 tOSU in Fiesta
- 12-2 Oklahoma, lost to #1 UF in BCSNCG
- 12-2 Bama, lost to #7 Utah in Sugar
- 11-2 TCU, beat #9 Boise in Poinsettia
- 11-2 Penn State, lost to #5 USC in Rose
- 10-3 Ohio State, lost to #3 Texas in Fiesta
- 10-3 Oregon, beat #13 OkSU in Holliday
Texas dropped a spot and Ohio State climbed a spot despite the Texas win in large part because it was a very close game.
If Ohio State had won, there would have been an argument to put them ahead of Texas whom they beat so #4 or possibly #5. However, there would also have been an argument to leave them behind Penn State whom they lost to so #9 or possibly #8 if Texas dropped to #9.
Those are stakes that mattered to people. Now the upper non-CFP bowls are just exhibitions with very limited stakes.
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I hadn't thought of this until reading your comment but come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that playoff expansion hasn't had much impact on viewership for games like the Weedeater and Muffler Bowls.
Interest in the lower tier bowls was never dependent upon NC, top-10, or even rankings because the teams in those bowls aren't really part of that conversation.
Now that I'm thinking it through, the biggest losers from playoff expansion are probably the second tier bowls and the non-CFP former first-tier bowls.
For example, your team and mine played in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2008 season). At the time that game was a big deal.Texas was 11-1 and ranked #3. Ohio State was 10-2 and ranked #10.
Texas BARELY missed the B12CG on a tiebreaker (with OU whom they beat and TxTech who beat them). Ohio State's situation was somewhat similar as they were co-champions of the Big11Ten but lost the RB tiebreaker due to a one-score loss to Penn State just like Texas missed the B12CG due to a one-score loss to TxTech.
The NC was off the table but a top-5 ranking was clearly on the table for Texas and possibly also for Ohio State, final rankings:
- 13-1 Florida, beat #2 OU in BCSNCG
- 13-0 Utah, beat #4 Bama in Sugar
- 12-1 USC, beat #6 PSU in Rose
- 12-1 Texas, beat #10 tOSU in Fiesta
- 12-2 Oklahoma, lost to #1 UF in BCSNCG
- 12-2 Bama, lost to #7 Utah in Sugar
- 11-2 TCU, beat #9 Boise in Poinsettia
- 11-2 Penn State, lost to #5 USC in Rose
- 10-3 Ohio State, lost to #3 Texas in Fiesta
- 10-3 Oregon, beat #13 OkSU in Holliday
Texas dropped a spot and Ohio State climbed a spot despite the Texas win in large part because it was a very close game.
If Ohio State had won, there would have been an argument to put them ahead of Texas whom they beat so #4 or possibly #5. However, there would also have been an argument to leave them behind Penn State whom they lost to so #9 or possibly #8 if Texas dropped to #9.
Those are stakes that mattered to people. Now the upper non-CFP bowls are just exhibitions with very limited stakes.
Yeah, excellent points, well said.
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yup, 5 years from now
the bowl line up will be about the same as the last 5 years
I don't see a reason it will change as long as ESPN can get better ratings than other options that time of year
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By the end of May I'd absolutely LOVE to watch the weedeater bowl or the muffler bowl.
Astro Blue Bonnet Bowl
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If it's irrelevant and makes money now, it can do the same going forward.
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Good points on tv ratings…..
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The secret to bowls.
Teams often want to play more football, and enough people want to watch more football.
You only get 12 shots to make all the work pay off. Might as well get another.
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Yeah, and TV ratings, I didn't know they were so high relatively.
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The secret to bowls.
Teams often want to play more football, and enough people want to watch more football.
You only get 12 shots to make all the work pay off. Might as well get another.
players get a nice trip with gift bags
coaches get 15 extra practices for the young guys
College admins, wives, Coach's wives, other support staff get a nice trip
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So long as two minor 6-6 teams get decent TV ratings, bowls will mostly survive, I had missed that point made above. I think more 5-7 teams will get invites in the future.
I wonder how often a 1st round playoff game will have to be moved because of weather, or simply is changed in location because folks know the weather will be awful.
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I hope never
doesn't affect the NFL
Lincoln, NE is a great place for football in December
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Yeah, but we're talking late December, conditions can be rather extreme. But maybe programs just stick with it. It would be a major advantage for the home team playing anyone from more moderate climes obviously.
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So long as two minor 6-6 teams get decent TV ratings, bowls will mostly survive, I had missed that point made above. I think more 5-7 teams will get invites in the future.
I wonder how often a 1st round playoff game will have to be moved because of weather, or simply is changed in location because folks know the weather will be awful.
Define awful.
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I'm thinking weather than alters how the game is played, which happens in every season of course, but would be more frequent in late December in the north.
High gusting winds
Very low temperatures, <10°F
Frozen field possibly ice/snow covered
Hard rain
Basically, a factor that can afford the home team a large advantage. Think San Diego playing a playoff game at Cincinnati when it was -18°F. Will any home team elect to change venues? I suspect that will be rare. An amusing scenario would be say Ohio State playing AT UGA when it's an unusual 10°F in Athens with gusting winds. Maybe the Dawgs move it to ATL?
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home team?
both teams play on the same field in the same weather
think new england or pittsburgh or green bay or cleveland in the NFL playoffs
wait::: scratch cleveland
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Yeah, oddly enough, I think the change in venue may likely be more likely for southern teams, teams in the midsouth like UGA, even Tennessee.
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I could see game in the north being moved indoors for fan comfort
bigger crowds, larger gate revenue
doubt it would happen in Lincoln - place would be packed
revenue for the city and state
no indoor option in the state
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Most major college venues are larger than any indoor stadium, often by 20,000 seats or so.
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yes, but if the fans are wussies and don't buy a ticket because of the weather..........
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I think the most likely scenario for a team hosting indoors is if they can better maximize the gate. So maybe Purdue makes a run and they host at Lucas Oil where the capacity is 13k more than Ross-Ade.
But I’d think exactly zero of these games are being moved inside solely because of weather. Especially for your traditional powerhouses that have no issue filling their stadiums.
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But I’d think exactly zero of these games are being moved inside solely because of weather. Especially for your traditional powerhouses that have no issue filling their stadiums.
I'd agree with "near zero", it'll probably happen rarely, as I suggested perhaps in the midsouth more than north. We're not including programs like Wake Forest or Duke in this as they could move due to capacity, not weather, but also the weather there can get bad. Imagine UNC makes it as a host some year and the weather prediction is really bad for their home field and they shift to Charlotte. I don't know how late they can call this change.
I forget the stadium capacity in Chapel Hill but it isn't that high either. Maybe the ten day forecast is for 35°F and raining at game time ...
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I've noticed that bowl games, while they used to be mostly nonprofit scams, have been increasingly bought up or invented by ESPN to provide content.
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Peach Bowl, Inc. - Peach Bowl (chick-fil-apeachbowl.com) (https://chick-fil-apeachbowl.com/sports/2020/6/4/peach-bowl-inc.aspx)
They are a 501(c)3 operation still, to the extent that means much. Maybe ESPN bought up more minor bowls?
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Peach Bowl, Inc. - Peach Bowl (chick-fil-apeachbowl.com) (https://chick-fil-apeachbowl.com/sports/2020/6/4/peach-bowl-inc.aspx)
They are a 501(c)3 operation still, to the extent that means much. Maybe ESPN bought up more minor bowls?
Yes, many of the minor bowls or new bowl games are ran by ESPN Events. The big boys are still nonprofits. Gary Stokan, the CEO of the Peach Bowl, made 688K last year. Not bad pay to put on one game.
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That is a problem I have with larger "nonprofits" often as not, they can pay their execs whatever and still be NP. They do feature more than one game though.
The other scam I notice is politicians etc. writing books with hefty fees and then anyone who wants to curry their favor will buy up their books in large numbers before dumping them. Person X is asked to give a speech to company Y employees who are all given a copy of their book. Well, that's two, there are more of course.
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Gary Stokan, the CEO of the Peach Bowl, made 688K last year.
a good retirement job for me