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Title: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on June 23, 2023, 01:37:48 PM
Well, since folks in the SEC hang out on their FRONT porches a lot, and we really didn't have a general topic thread that I could see, stop for a bit and hang out and discuss SEC items.  

(https://i.imgur.com/tc7Cn6T.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on June 23, 2023, 01:38:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SSN_TAMU/status/1672036716398489601

So apparently LSU had to vacate some wins, so they don't get to keep the wins, but we get to keep the losses.  

LSU is 3-4 against A&M in the SEC and A&M is 4-7 against LSU in the SEC.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on June 23, 2023, 02:29:18 PM
Two teams so pathetic they have losing records against each other ,,,,,, jk,
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on June 23, 2023, 03:14:19 PM
CWS- SEC vs SEC.  

I think we won the series vs Fla earlier this year. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on June 29, 2023, 03:09:32 PM
I'll come back in one year, to chant "SEC SEC SEC" with all of you.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2023, 03:58:43 PM
That's pretty out of fashion now.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on June 29, 2023, 07:08:17 PM
That's pretty out of fashion now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBbo0slWMW4
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2023, 07:57:17 AM
Just tryin' to get our new members caught up after beating some Texas team or other 65-7 ...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on June 30, 2023, 12:31:07 PM
Just tryin' to get our new members caught up after beating some Texas team or other 65-7 ...

Scoreboard, beeeyotch!

(https://i.imgur.com/I0RM4w2.jpg)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
Yeah, several times in fact.  But one of the losses has to hurt a bit, never should have happened.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 02, 2023, 11:00:17 AM
Yeah the 1984 Cotton Bowl was definitely a more important game than the 2019 Sugar Bowl.

Turns out in 1984, we really didn't want to be there anyway.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2023, 11:34:11 AM
Texas leads the series 4-1, I see, which is not much of a series of course.  UGA played OU only once so far.  So, the upcoming games will be relatively novel, but of course so would have been the scheduled OOC games.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 11, 2023, 05:17:09 PM
I'm very excited to see Florida and Texas on the same field.  Hasn't happened since 1940.
In 2024, we play:
Texas and A&M
FSU and Miami
LSU
Georgia
Tennessee
.
Fun stuff.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 11, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Yup, in 2024 we get to play Michigan, OU, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas A&M. I'm looking forward to it.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 11, 2023, 09:03:11 PM
Yup, in 2024 we get to play Michigan, OU, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, and Texas A&M. I'm looking forward to it.
Me two, that is some solid footballin'.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 17, 2023, 11:42:54 AM
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/report-sec-comes-to-decision-on-future-location-of-sec-football-championship-game
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 17, 2023, 11:44:25 AM
Any blowback from the CCG remaining in Atlanta ?  Nashville and Dallas were mentioned as wanting to host. Is this like the CWS always being in Omaha every year type deal?  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 11:57:36 AM
My guess is it goes to whoever has the money.  I think spreading it around would be fine even though I personally like having it here.

I think having the CFB HoF next door is an edge, and Atlanta usually has OK weather outside relative to Nash/Dallas.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 17, 2023, 12:47:10 PM
Does the weather matter much when the game is played inside a dome?  

I’m sure that Florida, Texas, and other locations would be just as good. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 12:58:12 PM
I think the weather outside relates to fan comfort if they like walking around a bit.  Indy a couple years back was fine in the dome but the weather outside likely precluded some festivities.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2023, 12:58:25 PM
2023 SEC Football Media Days: How preseason order of finish should look (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/longformarticle/2023-sec-football-media-days-how-preseason-order-of-finish-shoul-212887755/#2197236)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 17, 2023, 05:28:28 PM
2024 SEC Media Days to be held in Dallas, Texas.

https://www.si.com/college/olemiss/football/ole-miss-rebels-sec-media-days-2024-texas-longhorns-oklahoma-sooners



Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2023, 06:35:59 PM
I don't think the SECCG would move unless there was drama with Atlanta.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 17, 2023, 06:54:57 PM
I don't think the SECCG would move unless there was drama with Atlanta. 

SEC Leadership brought A&M and eventually Texas into the conference for a reason.  Many SEC programs already sell out a game per year for a chance to play OOC opponents at neutral sites in Dallas and Houston.  It's obvious, that there's some real recruiting value in occasionally playing the SECCG within the borders of the state of Texas.

I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen or that it should happen or that I wish it to happen, but from a business standpoint, it's a slam dunk.  And since the primary purpose of CCGs is to generate value for the conference members, I'd be pretty surprised if it doesn't eventually happen, every now and then.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 18, 2023, 06:16:09 AM
Yeah, ATL is pretty far east in the SEC map of course, and has been for a while.  I agree at some point it will shift to Dallas a time or three.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: nwms on August 02, 2023, 08:48:55 AM
a jerryworld/atl rotation makes perfect sense and i think will eventually happen.  nashville only if they build a dome.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 08, 2023, 04:41:00 PM
Notable game lines
North Carolina (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/153/north-carolina-tar-heels) (-3.5) at South Carolina (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2579/south-carolina-gamecocks)
Saturday Sept 2, 1:30 p.m. ET, Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, North Carolina

LSU (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/99/lsu-tigers) (-2.5) at Florida State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles)
Sunday Sept 3, 7:30 p.m. ET on ABC, Camping World Stadium, Orlando, Florida

Texas  (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns)at Alabama (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide) (-7)
Saturday Sept 9, Bryant-Denny Stadium, Tuscaloosa, Alabama

LSU (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/99/lsu-tigers) (-5) at Ole Miss (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/145/ole-miss-rebels)
Saturday, Sept. 30, Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, Mississippi

LSU (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/99/lsu-tigers) at Alabama (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide) (-6.5)
Saturday Nov. 4, Bryant-Denny Stadium, Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Georgia (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/61/georgia-bulldogs) (-8) at Tennessee (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2633/tennessee-volunteers)
Saturday Nov. 18, Neyland Stadium, Knoxville, Tennessee

Florida State (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/52/florida-state-seminoles) (-7.5) at Florida (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/57/florida-gators)
Saturday Nov. 25, Ben Hill Griffin Stadium, Gainesville, Florida



Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on August 09, 2023, 10:03:56 AM
Did anybody see the Netflix Johnny Football documentary?  No real surprises there.  He partied his way through college, partied his way out of NFL.  Massive addiction problems.  Personal problems.  Frankly I was kinda relieved that it didn't really put A&M in too bad a light, but it's obvious A&M looked the other way on a bunch of stuff ( as does every school I think).  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 09, 2023, 11:03:21 AM
I did not notice it.  I am watching the Lincoln Lawyer Round 2 now.

The book/series was excellent.  The series is only loosely based on.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Thumper on September 11, 2023, 07:10:18 PM
I liked the first season.  The second season, not so much.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 12, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
Me as well, but second season was still decent.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 12, 2023, 09:51:12 AM
Wife calls it "harmless fluff."  I pretty well agree.  Nothing ground-breaking or particularly memorable, but it's decent enough to pass some free time in the evenings if you have it.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 12, 2023, 10:00:52 AM
I noticed Aaron Murray was calling the LSU game this past weekend.  I didn't know he'd gone into broadcasting.  

I thought he did quite well.  His voice....I mean his cadence, public speech tambre, etc., could use a little work, but overall he nailed it as an analyst, I thought.....or color commentator, whatever you want to call it.  He was much better than Dusty Dvoraczk or Greg McElroy when they started out, and they've both improved significantly now to the point I don't mind them.  

I think Murray can improve at least that much, in which case I think he's too good to keep on scrub games forever.  He'll probably do a couple years on the SECN/+ until he finds his groove and then I expect he'll get better pairings/games.  

I haven't always been old enough to remember former players who transition to the booth.  It's "interesting" when I can remember the playing days of announcers.   
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 12, 2023, 10:14:50 AM
Murray does some pod cast thing which is about as good as such things go, I think, I watched a few of them, the better ones are his interviews of players.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 25, 2023, 06:56:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/YKlhpPR.jpg)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 31, 2023, 09:37:07 AM
Good run, but it doesn't hurt that the east has been crap salad.

I'm probably just a West homer, but the one-game differential for Saban in the West > Kirby's run in the East.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2023, 11:46:05 AM
Yeah, the East has mostly been mediocre of late, including this season I think.  Maybe Mizzou is good, maybe the Vols.  USCe is worse than most expected and UK has fallen off, which is kind of normal.  Florida has issues yet.  Auburn is down, the locked West opponent, and they get Ole Miss at home this year.

Plus they dropped Oklahoma because of stuff.

Tech is pretty bad.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 31, 2023, 12:06:57 PM
Starting in about 2010 the East took a sudden nosedive.  Florida faltered badly after the Tebow teams, occasionally rising far enough up to be "pretty tough," but nothing like Florida.  UGA also had some pretty bad years in there as well, but a few good teams too.  Tennessee hasn't been what I used to think of as Tennessee since like 2001.  A lot of bad seasons and program management, occasionally some good teams like last year, but not anything that makes me think they're in contention for an NC. 

Those are the standard-bearers, the three teams that have the history and resources to be elite.  When USC or Kentucky struggles, eh, what else is new.  If the Big 3 are down, the whole division languishes. 

UGA has been steadily getting tougher and more consistent under Kirby, making that division maybe as hard to play through as the West.  However, by definition that doesn't hurt UGA's chances of competing in the division, unless you can somehow get an L in the Spring Game.  Missouri seems to be on to something this year.  

Conversely, the West is cycling down, at least at the moment.  Alabama hasn't been Alabama for a couple years now, LSU fell off a cliff after 2019, A&M is.....A&M, and the Mississippi schools overall haven't been as attention-demanding as in years past.  Arguably there's no difference right now between the East and West, and since Georgia is a more complete team than Bama at the moment, you could argue the East is the better division. 

It seems often two rivals don't reach full potential at the same time.  But it is possible and sometimes it happens, like several of the LSU/Bama teams that were loaded.  It's possible for Florida be all the way back even with UGA holding its current serve.  I'm on record as wondering if Tennessee can ever be the old Tennessee again, but maybe they can, and boy, the East would be something to watch if UGA, UT, and UF were all elite at the same time.  If nothing else, Bama wouldn't win so many SEC titles.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 31, 2023, 12:18:07 PM
That's what I want to see.....a Florida team as strong as, say, 2008/2009, playing the Cocktail Party against 2021/2022 UGA.  And then they both have to play late 90's Tennessee.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 01, 2023, 06:35:21 AM
UGA "rose" to being pretty good under Mark Richt of course, a lot of 10 win seasons, which isn't getting "it" done.  Smart had a "down" first year of course at 8-5, and the COVID year was 8-2, otherwise, they've been in the hunt somewhere, being at CFP 5 twice and 9 once (COVID).  It's certainly their best run ever.

There is always some "luck" involved, sometimes it goes against you, as in 2017.  The 1980 team had a lot of near miss games, they had the luck on their side that year.

This year's edition remains a bit of a mystery to me, they have looked solid and then very mortal at times, often in the same game.  I'd guess there is a slip somewhere.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 01, 2023, 09:31:50 AM
I've watched UGA half-assed this year, mainly switching in and out of their games while keeping an eye on others as well, so my opinion may not count for anything.  What it looks like to me is UGA gets better as they turn Beck loose more and more.  Earlier on they weren't willing to do that as much, as of late they've begun trusting him more and he's rewarding that trust.  Offense seems to be rounding into something quite good.  Defense is a step back from recent years but still very good.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 12, 2023, 11:06:59 AM
Guesses on A&Ms next coach?  Cuz I got nothing. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2023, 11:09:12 AM
Iowa Offensive Coordinator.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on January 06, 2024, 09:47:13 AM
Kind of dreary here this AM.  A bit of rain and chilly, I think they had snow in the mountains.  

I'm off to Florida on Monday for baseball, again.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 06, 2024, 02:24:03 PM
Bright sun and 60s today.   But we may be getting a polar vortex hit here soon.  Or not.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on January 10, 2024, 05:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/ClowESPN

Saban Retiring.  Wow.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on January 30, 2024, 01:23:33 PM
https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1752390471635148972
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on January 30, 2024, 01:24:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1752373512088465758
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on January 30, 2024, 05:33:02 PM
https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/message-to-ncaa-from-tennessee-over-new-investigation/


The NCAA can kiss our Big Orange Asses.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 31, 2024, 01:57:08 AM
Whatever takes the focus off of Florida...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 31, 2024, 09:04:20 AM
I root for chaos, so another UT investigation and thrashing would be entertaining.

But I also root for the inevitable destruction of the NCAA, and for bitch-slaps, the latter of which Chancellor Plowman just delivered in force to the weasels in writing. 

I think I'm good either way this goes.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2024, 08:28:16 AM
If somehow the NCAA goes away, something similar would replace it.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 09, 2024, 10:19:26 AM
If somehow the NCAA goes away, something similar would replace it.
Yup.  There's always going to be a governing body that must create rules, and there's always going to be schools that like the rules, schools that don't like the rules, schools that obey the rules, and schools that break the rules.

Even within the two big conferences remaining, there are schools that will thrive under certain sets of rules, and schools that will suffer.  It's silly to assume that Vanderbilt and Northwestern are going to share all the same values and concerns that Alabama and Ohio State have, and therefore it's silly to believe they're all going to move lock-step in making a unified ruleset that pleases everyone.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2024, 10:40:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xCHS5AI.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: nwms on February 15, 2024, 02:29:03 PM
Yup.  There's always going to be a governing body that must create rules, and there's always going to be schools that like the rules, schools that don't like the rules, schools that obey the rules, and schools that break the rules.

Even within the two big conferences remaining, there are schools that will thrive under certain sets of rules, and schools that will suffer.  It's silly to assume that Vanderbilt and Northwestern are going to share all the same values and concerns that Alabama and Ohio State have, and therefore it's silly to believe they're all going to move lock-step in making a unified ruleset that pleases everyone.

absolutely. and from there it gets more layered than that. within the schools that follow the rules let's say at an institutional level there will always be some people (who are in a position to have some sort of impact) that don't & then all of it has the potential to ebb over time at least at certain places. i'm not a ncaa hater but at the same time have no regard for the way it's been run as its become increasingly spineless & cowardly in recent years.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2024, 12:23:19 PM
So what's going on here on the Front Porch?  I just pulled up a chair, hope I don't crowd the circle.  Y'all got any lemonade? I'm not much for sweet tea.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2024, 12:53:01 PM
My wife adores sweet tea.  Other Southern things she has grown to like a lot include grits, boiled peanuts, fried chicken, barbecue, and me.

She does NOT like fried oysters and views them as a complete sacrilege.  She does not like beefstick or breakfast sausage.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 01, 2024, 01:38:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SECShorts/status/1807761069714415861

These guys are tip top.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2024, 02:41:25 PM
I'm a big fan of boiled peanuts, discovered them from my sister when she was living in Florida.

I'm not a big fan of breakfast sausage, and I have no idea what "beefstick" is, unless we're talking about SlimJims?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2024, 04:07:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ecgvvod.png)

I loved this stuff when I was a teen.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2024, 05:02:38 PM
Hmm well I do like summer sausage, if this stuff is indeed the same thing.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 05, 2024, 08:00:59 AM
Marcus looks like a decent chance the remnants of Hurricane or Trooicsl Storm Beryl will pass through cen Tex and dump some needed rain. 

We don’t need it here, but I hope it fills the lakes up your way. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 05, 2024, 11:11:57 AM
Thanks!  We definitely need it here.  Obviously hoping it's not so intense that it causes harm and damage to the coastal areas.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on July 09, 2024, 11:18:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ecgvvod.png)

I loved this stuff when I was a teen.
Yep. Sliced thick on a Ritz cracker.
A cursory Google search does not turn up that product. Has it gone the way of the Dodo?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 09, 2024, 08:35:50 PM
My wife adores sweet tea.  Other Southern things she has grown to like a lot include grits, boiled peanuts, fried chicken, barbecue, and me.

She does NOT like fried oysters and views them as a complete sacrilege.  She does not like beefstick or breakfast sausage.
She sounds like a keeper!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 10, 2024, 12:41:06 PM
I really, really loathe sweet tea.  

It was never even a thing here in Central Texas until maybe 15-20 years ago.  "Tea" just meant iced tea and if you wanted it sweet, there were sugar packets or sweet n low or equal or whatever, on every table.

Now some yahoos decided sweet tea needed to be a thing around here, and so whenever I ask for tea, I'm forced to answer the question "sweet or un?"   What a hassle.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 10, 2024, 03:34:36 PM
Welcome to the SEC, Land of the Sweet Tea.

Where Vandy fans and look and see

An all time winning record against UT.

And OU fans got very blue

When the Dawgs win a victory too.

And they think it very fine

When the Cotton Bowl ended 10-9.

But the "Horns are out for revenge

Hoping success doesn't hinge

On whether their tea is sweat or not

But whether the talent they got

Is enough.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 10, 2024, 04:24:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/09igQNw.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2024, 11:29:56 PM
Grew up drinking sweet tea.  Always brewed at home by mom or grandma.

Most of the stuff you can buy in a store sucks.  I approve of Gold Peak.  The worst I've tasted is Milo's.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 09:12:27 AM
I like regular tea just fine but typically I just drink water.  I used to drink a lot of coke but mostly kicked the habit after college.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 09:35:15 AM
The amount of sugar in Coke or sweet tea is astonishing to me, and not good for us.  Fructose especially is problematic, I think.  I stopped eating dessert except on special occasions, and even then I try and avoid it.  The emptiest of calories, soft drinks.

I think our diet here is pretty good, usually, except I get into wine too often, not enough for a hangover, but it's my one major diet problem I think.  We had lentils last night for dinner, which is a bit odd for us, but I like lentils.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 10:29:52 AM
Yeah it's a ton of sugar.  That's why I dropped the habit.  I did diet coke for a while but that stuff's probably even worse for you.

I'm cool with lentils.  Don't eat them very often.



Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 10:48:02 AM
Hey I've got an idea for this here SEC Front Porch-- let's try and name a food item or dish that is most representative of each of our SEC schools, or the towns in which they reside.

For example for Texas, I'd say it's either BBQ brisket, or Tex-Mex enchiladas.
(https://i.imgur.com/d3WSVeD.jpeg)


(https://i.imgur.com/Emljati.jpeg)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 10:48:10 AM
I grill lamb chops from Costco every so often, and use the leftovers cut up in lentils.  My wife buys these "French lentils" she claims are better, fine with me.

I like legumes broadly speaking, she's not a fan of things like Navy beans or black beans.  I did learn the hard way to soak and wash such beans before cooking, and dispose of the wash water.  Oligosaccharides.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 10:50:22 AM
I love black beans.  So rich and tasty.  I definitely soak them, and although most recipes don't call for it with black beans, I also cook with a ham hock or two in there, same way I do pinto beans.  Adds to the richness and depth of flavor IMO.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 10:52:48 AM
Man, I would weight 500 pounds if I lived in Texas.

I'm not svelt here.  I don't think Athens, or Georgia, has some unique food staple.  This of course is pretty common:

(https://i.imgur.com/NpB7z0X.png)

But I'm going to go with boiled peanuts as being somewhat of a Georgia specialty.  I have a recipe somewhere.

Athens is known for the music scene which is somewhat unique.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 25, 2024, 03:03:58 PM
I like regular tea just fine but typically I just drink water.  I used to drink a lot of coke but mostly kicked the habit after college.
All I got from that is you had a nasty coke habit but was able to kick it after college.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 03:18:32 PM
I've been to Lexington, Knoxville, Oxford for games.  I don't think they have any unique food items of note either.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 03:40:44 PM
Outside of Austin, I'm obviously most familiar with College Station, but I'd rather hear Gigem make commentary on that.

I've been to Baton Rouge, though never been to a game there.  Was planning on going to the UT-LSU game in 2020, but of course that never happened...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 04:00:03 PM
If you ever think about going to a game in Athens, I can fix you up, but ticket prices will be hefty.

We have a place you can stay at least.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 04:14:24 PM
Coolio, thanks.  I definitely love the idea of it.  I'd love to see games in Athens, Knoxville, Oxford, and Baton Rouge for sure.  Probably Gainesville too.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 04:18:05 PM
I hear Auburn is a great venue as well.  It's about a 70 mile drive from here to Athens, usually not too bad on traffic going, not great returning.  Go early, walk around town, have lunch, see a game, have a beer, if they serve beer anywhere there.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on July 25, 2024, 07:18:58 PM
Outside of Austin, I'm obviously most familiar with College Station, but I'd rather hear Gigem make commentary on that.

I've been to Baton Rouge, though never been to a game there.  Was planning on going to the UT-LSU game in 2020, but of course that never happened...
Food specialties in College Station ? 

I honestly haven’t spent any meaningful time there in 24 years. There’s some really good barbecue joints around town. Nothing like a burger at the Dixie Chicken of course. 

A lot of the places I used to frequent are closed down now. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
Yeah i really like the burger at the Chicken.

I wasn't trying to make it strict, it could also be something like, a traditional or common tailgate item?  The most famous chef or restaurant or bar or must-do activity in the town?

Just trying to get some info on the culture of the places around the SEC.

Going back to old B12, Nebraska had their runzas.  Baylor has margaritas at the Big O's.   Oklahoma has meth. 

You see what I'm getting at?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 07:58:08 PM
I was in Chapel Hill nearly five years, I don't think they had much of a restaurant calling, though if pressed I'd go with Eastern Carolina BBQ (which is an aquired  taste I think), and hushpuppies and cole slaw.  I guess like Austin, the food type is more general to the region than the town.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2024, 08:02:36 PM
The sort of "go to" thing in Athens would be the music scene, the Georgia Theater for a concert.  You could also see the "tree that owns itself" and the double barreled cannon, those are major landmarks.;)

The "epic thing" on campus is this below, tradition was freshmen shouldn't walk through it.  Georgia was the first public university to receive its state charter in 1785, but not the first to open its doors, that would be UNC.  This area was "unsettled" in 1785.  The town didn't exist yet.

(https://i.imgur.com/2dvJhel.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on July 26, 2024, 01:18:47 PM
Does this count as a food group, or a unique, regional specialty?  :)



(https://i.imgur.com/v2ASb7W.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2024, 02:08:08 PM
Does this count as a food group, or a unique, regional specialty?  :)



[img width=500 height=280.994]https://i.imgur.com/v2ASb7W.png[/img]
Absolutely! Is this your setup or someone else's?  Or, can you not tell me for, you know, reasons...? :)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on July 26, 2024, 04:11:41 PM
Absolutely! Is this your setup or someone else's?  Or, can you not tell me for, you know, reasons...? :)

I can tell you exactly where to see it, if that counts.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2024, 07:28:20 PM
Welcome to the SEC, Land of the Sweet Tea.

Where Vandy fans and look and see

An all time winning record against UT.

And OU fans got very blue

When the Dawgs win a victory too.

And they think it very fine

When the Cotton Bowl ended 10-9.

But the "Horns are out for revenge

Hoping success doesn't hinge

On whether their tea is sweat or not

But whether the talent they got

Is enough.
Sweat tea does not sound very tasty. Or thirst-quenching.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 30, 2024, 08:29:40 AM
Sweat tea does not sound very tasty. Or thirst-quenching.
It's so gross.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on July 31, 2024, 03:15:59 PM
It's so gross.
another gift from the south east
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on July 31, 2024, 04:16:50 PM
Y’all better learn to lak it.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on July 31, 2024, 05:08:45 PM
I like plenty of southern grub.  But that is one thing I'll never, ever drink.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2024, 01:59:31 PM
I like plenty of southern grub.  But that is one thing I'll never, ever drink.
What are your favorites of southern grub?  Good fried chicken?  There is a lot of mediocre running around of course.  Cole slaw?  Greens of collards?  Bread of corn?  Okra?  Soup beans?  Vidalia onion?  Chicken fried chicken?  Fried catfish?  Hushpuppies?  Green beans cooked with fat back?  Grits?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2024, 04:09:40 PM
It's so gross.
Yes.

OTOH, I can take or leave sweet tea.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2024, 04:21:26 PM
What are your favorites of southern grub?  Good fried chicken?  There is a lot of mediocre running around of course.  Cole slaw?  Greens of collards?  Bread of corn?  Okra?  Soup beans?  Vidalia onion?  Chicken fried chicken?  Fried catfish?  Hushpuppies?  Green beans cooked with fat back?  Grits?
Good fried chicken - food for the gods
Cole slaw - complex category, but generally good
Collard greens - not on a train, not in the rain, not in a box, not with a fox
Cornbread - 3 cheers
Okra - offal, worse than collard greens
Soup beans - Navy? Pinto? Kidney?
Vidalia onions - not really a fan of onions, Vidalia or otherwise
Chicken fried chicken - yes, can be very good
Fried catfish - catfish should not be eaten at all
Hushpuppies - OK
Green beans with fatback - no experience
Grits - they are nothing to me
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2024, 05:16:20 PM
What are your favorites of southern grub?  Good fried chicken?  There is a lot of mediocre running around of course.  Cole slaw?  Greens of collards?  Bread of corn?  Okra?  Soup beans?  Vidalia onion?  Chicken fried chicken?  Fried catfish?  Hushpuppies?  Green beans cooked with fat back?  Grits?
Love fried chicken and chicken fried chicken.  Chicken fried steak too, with cream gravy of course.

Cole slaw I can take or leave, but I love most greens-- collard, turnip, spinach, and all the rest.

Cornbread, absolutely.  My mom likes to put it in a glass of milk and spoon it out.  

Okra is great, I like most beans, obviously none of them belong in chili.

We have 1015 onions here, the Aggies invented them.  They're tasty.

Fried catfish is delicious, gotta have hushpuppies alongside of course.

Green beans are good as long as they're fresh-snapped.  Canned grean beans gross me out.

And yes of course I like grits.  Did you know that some weirdo yankees and foreigners call that stuff "polenta?"
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2024, 05:49:23 PM
Don't go callin' grits no "poluntah" around heah.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2024, 06:30:56 PM
Don't go callin' grits no "poluntah" around heah.
I'm not, I didn't-- that's the point.

It's the yankees that erroneously call grits "polenta."  No idea why they do that.

:)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2024, 07:27:45 PM
Y’all might fit in ok. Eventually. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on August 02, 2024, 10:47:34 AM
Probably not.  But we're all gonna have a lot of fun, anyway!

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on August 03, 2024, 11:32:36 PM
https://youtu.be/3-YzCxEv92E (https://youtu.be/3-YzCxEv92E)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 04, 2024, 09:18:01 AM
The Texas dude doesn't look like much of an athlete, to me.  ....
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on August 04, 2024, 02:30:39 PM
The Texas dude doesn't look like much of an athlete, to me.  ....
The OU guy is wearing a Nebraska-ish shade of red. It should look like Bama's crimson.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on August 04, 2024, 10:51:47 PM
https://flywareagle.com/posts/big-ten-notre-dame-want-into-state-texas-realignment-covet-texas-am

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on August 05, 2024, 10:38:31 AM
https://flywareagle.com/posts/big-ten-notre-dame-want-into-state-texas-realignment-covet-texas-am



How would you feel about that, Gig'em?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on August 05, 2024, 01:03:50 PM
How would you feel about that, Gig'em?
I love being in the SEC.  I would think that the Texas A&M I knew would be a major misfit in the B1G.  I always thought Texas was a better fit, I would love to know if they had an offer and chose the SEC instead. 

Mostly, I think the article is nothing more than click-bait.  Amusing, but no chance.  

The old, original Big 12 from 1996-2010 was really a great conference.  Still not clear why we couldn't make it work.  Helmet teams NU, OU, Tex, near helmets A&M, CU (at times), Mizzou.  Great BBall with KU.  Decent programs like TT and oSu.  Up and comers like KSU.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on August 05, 2024, 01:37:44 PM
I love being in the SEC.  I would think that the Texas A&M I knew would be a major misfit in the B1G.  I always thought Texas was a better fit, I would love to know if they had an offer and chose the SEC instead. 

Mostly, I think the article is nothing more than click-bait.  Amusing, but no chance. 

The old, original Big 12 from 1996-2010 was really a great conference.  Still not clear why we couldn't make it work.  Helmet teams NU, OU, Tex, near helmets A&M, CU (at times), Mizzou.  Great BBall with KU.  Decent programs like TT and oSu.  Up and comers like KSU. 

For me personally, I hope the article is just a bunch of bunk.  I like having A&M in the SEC.

Mizzou can go, however.  They don't fit at all, IMO.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on August 05, 2024, 02:10:49 PM
The thought of A&M in the B1G is certainly strange.  TAMU has felt like a great fit in the SEC, to me.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on August 06, 2024, 01:46:18 PM
For me personally, I hope the article is just a bunch of bunk.  I like having A&M in the SEC.

Mizzou can go, however.  They don't fit at all, IMO.
Mizzou wanted very much to go into the B1G in the 2010 realignment. The B1G didn't issue an invitation, so Mizzou went to the SEC instead.
A&M seems like a better fit in the SEC than it would be in the B1G.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on August 06, 2024, 03:35:49 PM
Mizzou wanted very much to go into the B1G in the 2010 realignment. The B1G didn't issue an invitation, so Mizzou went to the SEC instead.
A&M seems like a better fit in the SEC than it would be in the B1G.
Yup.

Although I also think the idea of "fit" in a conference is sort of antiquated and silly at this point.  It's all about money, the rest is just internet message board fodder.

I don't think Texas is a particularly good fit for the SEC, or at least what the SEC was 15-20 years ago, but at this point, with it already being stretched beyond its original Deep South roots, what does that really mean, and who even cares?

Nobody asked me about realignment, I didn't have any say in it, so all I can do is watch the matchups that appear on the schedule, however that schedule might have been decided.  And for me personally at least, I think watching Texas sports play in the SEC, is going to be a lot of fun.  Some new faces, and some old ones.  It's supposed to be entertainment and that's what I'm looking forward to.

Yes that's a sentence-ending preposition, poor grammar.  Maybe we WILL fit in with the SEC after all.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 06, 2024, 03:52:56 PM
Yup, I suppose conferences once had teams from places with similar cultures.  The ACC kind of broke that rule, if it still existed, by having BC and Miami, et al.

Missouri is a different thing for us old timers, but they play hard nosed football and have some talent.  Drinkowitz is a very good coach I think.  I thought Stoops did well at Kentucky but he may have maxed them out.  At least they aren't Vandy now.

South Carolina had a run with Holtz and Spurrier but they seem unable to recruit.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on August 07, 2024, 05:45:45 PM
The SEC schools at least still touch.....so there's that.

And no one else can say it.

Grab UNC and UVA .... still intact.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on August 08, 2024, 07:46:16 AM
I much prefer conferences to have some sort of geographic congruity and cultural similarities, but $$$.

I presume the ACC's TV contract will be their doom at some point.  We might see the "Big East" come back with NE schools?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 01, 2024, 10:45:30 PM
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1830368695061000414?s=61
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on September 02, 2024, 02:54:34 AM
The Longhorn Band did its always great job last Saturday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0PRsrGbLgY
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: EastAthens on September 02, 2024, 05:12:29 PM
New Anchor down edition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgRJ1vNOVw8
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 08, 2024, 11:45:35 AM
Ranking the most iconic SEC football stadiums from worst to first (usatoday.com) (https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/ranking-most-iconic-sec-football-stadiums-from-worst-to-first-georgia-bulldogs-alabama-crimson-tide-tennessee-vols-lsu-tigers-florida-gators/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawFKpWZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHcSn11gw4YshmRwcCzzn1FW6-44FcN3W5CYhsNbXwrNrwpqPCxfADkQXCg_aem_Jo2YIqbLuCOegVSdbfahWw)

Not far from just ranking seating capacity, but some nice photos.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 08, 2024, 01:39:01 PM
Take it to the rankings thread! :)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 10, 2024, 09:43:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bvr4GfJ.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 10, 2024, 09:46:51 AM
Ooof.  That's rough.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on September 10, 2024, 10:01:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bvr4GfJ.png)

Couldn't happen to a better bunch.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 10, 2024, 11:45:18 AM
They will probably snag one of the under 50% games (probabilitistically).  But, their final record likely won't be better than 4-8.  One might think any of us could coach that well at Florida.  I'm available.

I've "read" that Big Donors are already assembling the buyout check, but then who do you hire?  Jimbo?  Steve?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 10, 2024, 11:49:21 AM
Maybe Urbz would come back.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 10, 2024, 11:57:03 AM
My guess is they'd need to pull up a lower level coach or OC/DC type.  Urban won't need the money nor the aggravation, SoS seems comfortable, Saban?  Nope.  

I'd personally stay put for one more season.  They have a good looking freshman QB who could do some stuff if they can get better line play.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on September 10, 2024, 12:57:44 PM
They will probably snag one of the under 50% games (probabilitistically).  But, their final record likely won't be better than 4-8.  One might think any of us could coach that well at Florida.  I'm available.

I've "read" that Big Donors are already assembling the buyout check, but then who do you hire?  Jimbo?  Steve?

I go get Alex Golesh at USF.

Don't tell the Gators.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 10, 2024, 01:45:14 PM
People forget how well the gators are protected in the swamp, especially against marque teams.  

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 10, 2024, 03:51:12 PM
Florida will get very interesting if A&M beats them Saturday.  

It's not really the same, but imagine if Alabama or Georgia were looking at a 3-9 kind of season in a few years.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 10, 2024, 07:05:16 PM
I really don’t see us winning. I think we’re very evenly matched, so I give Florida home field advantage. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 11, 2024, 10:08:47 PM
60% vs UK and 40% vs Miss St tells me all I need to know about that garbage.  

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 15, 2024, 09:08:43 PM
Very pleased with A&M’s win at the swamp. That’s very rare. Plus, we broke our road loss record (10 road losses in a row). I think most were surprised with the play of the backup QB as our QB1 was out. Defense played tough as well. 

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 15, 2024, 11:56:47 PM
Yeah the ags looked really good in all phases yesterday.  I feel like that was a must-win for both programs and obviously only one could win.  I'm not sure where the Gators go from here.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: nwms on September 16, 2024, 07:57:29 AM
if it’s me reed is qb1 moving forward after that performance.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on September 16, 2024, 10:50:26 AM
if it’s me reed is qb1 moving forward after that performance.

Agreed.  Easy decision.

Weigman is garbage.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 16, 2024, 08:10:42 PM
But so is Florida's defense.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 17, 2024, 09:46:47 AM
Was any legit reason given for Wake Forest canceling next years game with Ole Miss?  I know it's been talked about by Kiffin a lot, but why in the world would they do that?  Is there an outside force at play, like conference re-alignment, or do they just not want to face the Rebels again?  I'd have to think that WF would be used to getting the shit kicked out of them, even in the ACC.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 18, 2024, 10:18:41 PM
https://twitter.com/volsofficial/status/1836348231380251070?s=61
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2024, 10:42:22 AM
Was any legit reason given for Wake Forest canceling next years game with Ole Miss?  I know it's been talked about by Kiffin a lot, but why in the world would they do that?  Is there an outside force at play, like conference re-alignment, or do they just not want to face the Rebels again?  I'd have to think that WF would be used to getting the shit kicked out of them, even in the ACC. 
I'm not ignoring you, I just don't know anything about this.  Seems like Ole Miss should be a good draw for Wake as a home game, and it's not like they're going to be in the playoff discussion and one more loss OOC isn't going to kill their season, so I'm not sure why they'd cancel unless there was a good reason.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on September 19, 2024, 11:41:33 AM
I'm not ignoring you, I just don't know anything about this.  Seems like Ole Miss should be a good draw for Wake as a home game, and it's not like they're going to be in the playoff discussion and one more loss OOC isn't going to kill their season, so I'm not sure why they'd cancel unless there was a good reason.


My brother, and sis-in law, are trying to goad the wife and I to go to the Egg Bowl with them Thanksgiving weekend.

She's an Ole Miss grad.  Gonna have to pass on that game as well.  Maybe if MS St. wasn't one of the worst teams in the country, but as it stands, we're looking at a 55-3 type beat down. 

I think I'll ass up on the couch instead.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PM
I'm not ignoring you, I just don't know anything about this.  Seems like Ole Miss should be a good draw for Wake as a home game, and it's not like they're going to be in the playoff discussion and one more loss OOC isn't going to kill their season, so I'm not sure why they'd cancel unless there was a good reason.
Well, it wasn't directed in any person in particular, just as a general question to the group.  Usually someone here has good insights.  
The media has made out a lot about WF getting scared to play OM, but I don't buy it.  They canceled the game before their last game, I've heard two weeks before the last game.  Plus, there's a good chance Kiffin won't be there.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2024, 03:20:52 PM
Well, it wasn't directed in any person in particular, just as a general question to the group.  Usually someone here has good insights. 
The media has made out a lot about WF getting scared to play OM, but I don't buy it.  They canceled the game before their last game, I've heard two weeks before the last game.  Plus, there's a good chance Kiffin won't be there. 
Oh yeah I know you weren't talking directly to me, I just felt bad that nobody had responded.

The idea that a school cancels a series because "they're scared" sounds like typical message board bulljive to me.

Like when my Aggie father-in-law saw me a couple months ago and asked me why Steve Sarkisian was getting a divorce, and if it was because his wife was hooking up with a current Longhorn player?

I just laughed and told him he spends WAY too much time on Texags. :)



Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 19, 2024, 04:50:44 PM
Oh yeah I know you weren't talking directly to me, I just felt bad that nobody had responded.

The idea that a school cancels a series because "they're scared" sounds like typical message board bulljive to me.

Like when my Aggie father-in-law saw me a couple months ago and asked me why Steve Sarkisian was getting a divorce, and if it was because his wife was hooking up with a current Longhorn player?

I just laughed and told him he spends WAY too much time on Texags. :)
Supposedly that was Jimbo Fisher's dilemma.  There was definitely something to it.  Her name?  "Candy".  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 19, 2024, 05:24:07 PM
Supposedly that was Jimbo Fisher's dilemma.  There was definitely something to it.  Her name?  "Candy". 
I heard that rumor too.  Sounds made up to me, but truth is stranger than fiction as they say, so who knows?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on September 19, 2024, 05:44:52 PM
I heard that rumor too.  Sounds made up to me, but truth is stranger than fiction as they say, so who knows?

Doesn't seem too far fetched.  In the SEC, good trim just means more.



(https://i.imgur.com/1uxAqzU.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 19, 2024, 09:59:32 PM
I heard that rumor too.  Sounds made up to me, but truth is stranger than fiction as they say, so who knows?
I never really thought too much about it, but I did think it was true. It supposedly was one of the reasons he left Florida State. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on September 21, 2024, 11:59:12 PM
I guess this thread's as good as any for a post of congratulations to the Vols for their 25-15 win over the Sooners tonight. So, Vols, congrats! The game wasn't as close as the scoreboard indicated, IMO.

Josh Heupel has bult a solid team in Knoxville. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 22, 2024, 01:10:35 AM
Huep has done a great job.  Tennessee has improved tremendously and especially on the defensive side.  That QB you guys have is definitely your team's future.  He was finding his rhythm tonight right in front of us and in a hostile circumstance.   Ou's D is legit.  

The refs need work... why it is, year in and year out, the refs are as bad in the SEC as they are is inexcusable and beyond my comprehension.   They weren't pro one or the other as they have been from time to time but just sloppy, and weirdly assertive at key moments.  They flat blew several calls and completely missed others that could have been very pivotal.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: just1hog on September 22, 2024, 05:41:30 AM
Doesn't seem too far fetched.  In the SEC, good trim just means more.



(https://i.imgur.com/1uxAqzU.png)
BWHAHAHAHA!!! Hopefully we won't come full circle again.... 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 22, 2024, 10:02:10 AM
Huep has done a great job.  Tennessee has improved tremendously and especially on the defensive side.  That QB you guys have is definitely your team's future.  He was finding his rhythm tonight right in front of us and in a hostile circumstance.  Ou's D is legit. 

The refs need work... why it is, year in and year out, the refs are as bad in the SEC as they are is inexcusable and beyond my comprehension.  They weren't pro one or the other as they have been from time to time but just sloppy, and weirdly assertive at key moments.  They flat blew several calls and completely missed others that could have been very pivotal. 
I know you're not going to believe me, but SEC refs are a lot better than B12 refs.  It's a low bar, to be sure.

Congrats to the Vols, that's a heck of a team in Knoxville.  Condolences to the Sooners, sure was hoping Texas would be the first to beat you this season. ;)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on September 22, 2024, 11:38:14 AM
Huep has done a great job.  Tennessee has improved tremendously and especially on the defensive side.  That QB you guys have is definitely your team's future.  He was finding his rhythm tonight right in front of us and in a hostile circumstance.  Ou's D is legit. 

The refs need work... why it is, year in and year out, the refs are as bad in the SEC as they are is inexcusable and beyond my comprehension.  They weren't pro one or the other as they have been from time to time but just sloppy, and weirdly assertive at key moments.  They flat blew several calls and completely missed others that could have been very pivotal.
Agree with all of that.

Without offensive improvement, OU's legit defense is going to be wasted, like the great 2009 defense was wasted because of an inept offense after Sam Bradford went down.

Yes, the officiating was frustrating--a combo of bad calls and missed calls. Not pro or con, just bad. "Welcome to the SEC," eh?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 22, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
Watched the whole OU/Tenn game. It was a great game to watch. OU looks descent, Tennessee looks pretty good. Loving these SEC matchups this year. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 22, 2024, 01:58:56 PM
Former Ole Miss QB under Hugh Freeze has some not nice things to say about his former coach. 

https://twitter.com/bowallace14/status/1837671233506193888?s=61
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 22, 2024, 02:01:11 PM
I know you're not going to believe me, but SEC refs are a lot better than B12 refs.  It's a low bar, to be sure.

Congrats to the Vols, that's a heck of a team in Knoxville.  Condolences to the Sooners, sure was hoping Texas would be the first to beat you this season. ;)
Geez. It’s been too long. But there was this one ref in the Bif 12, he wore these really big glasses. Hated that freakin guy. Seems like maybe his name was Randy. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on September 22, 2024, 09:42:15 PM
Bravo to Vol Fans who came to Norman!

https://twitter.com/Volology/status/1837215725351751812 (https://twitter.com/Volology/status/1837215725351751812)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 24, 2024, 01:17:00 PM
Big game Saturday night, I figure Bama wins, again, in the last seconds, with a 50 yard pass on fourth and forever.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 24, 2024, 01:17:56 PM
Big game Saturday night, I figure Bama wins, again, in the last seconds, with a 50 yard pass on fourth and forever.
I know this is hyperbole, but damn ain't it the truth.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 24, 2024, 03:19:17 PM
I really can't tell how good OU's offense is supposed to be.  However, when assessing a defense, there are some telltale signs to look for which can at least rule out abject suckitude.  Tennessee was brilliant at one-on-one tackling, tackling in space, or whatever you want to call it.  The middle of the line didn't give much, the ends set the edge all night, and linebackers mostly didn't get caught in the trash or blow an assignment by abandoning their reads.  I saw a lot of guys patrolling their gaps and not worrying about the adjacent zone.....just trust that the guy next to them was going to be there, make the tackle, and not need their help.  That's a helluva recipe. 

I can mostly say the same about OU.  Consistently tackling and sticking to your assignment is so vital, yet seems so rare.

I suspect neither of those offenses are magnificent (but they could be, by year's end, once the QBs have more games under their belts)....but....I also can't remember when's the last time a Vol defense impressed me like that.  OU has had many impressive defenses over the years....this may well be another one.   
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on September 24, 2024, 03:34:20 PM
UT had two starting guards out... one of which is one of the best in the league.  OU was getting through the line almost at will.  Tennessee stretched downfield three tines.  Three big catches, two for TDs and one for good yardage.  One of the TDs was called back. 

They proved they "could" play their game if they must, but, they didn't have to.... it was handed over to the D as the O went absolutely vanilla... they ran Sampson eight straight plays at one point. 

^that is why all the talking heads are high on both UT and coach heupel right now.  That game showed he's matured as more than just a one trick pony and has the roster to make things happen. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 28, 2024, 06:54:47 PM
Damn, I have no idea how I missed this. When did they start doing a 2 minute timeout ?  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on September 28, 2024, 11:10:53 PM
Damn, I have no idea how I missed this. When did they start doing a 2 minute timeout ? 
It's new this season.  They call it 2 minute timeout instead of 2 minute warning even though it's clearly copied from the NFL.  Sorta funny.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on September 29, 2024, 05:11:06 AM
It's new this season.  They call it 2 minute timeout instead of 2 minute warning even though it's clearly copied from the NFL.  Sorta funny.
Sorta.  Clear trends in this.  They may adopt NFL OT rules someday.  Remember when the NFL didn't have a 2 point play (beyond safety)?

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on September 29, 2024, 07:33:02 PM
So, we’re a good bit into the season. Gee, I wonder what SEC team is in first place in conference standings ? 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on September 30, 2024, 11:34:09 AM
Who would've guessed that LSU safety Major Burns was named after Major Applewhite? 

I still maintain you never want a guy in your secondary to be named Major Burns, even though it is actually quite fitting for our secondary for the last several years.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 01, 2024, 10:14:57 AM
Who would've guessed that LSU safety Major Burns was named after Major Applewhite? 

I still maintain you never want a guy in your secondary to be named Major Burns, even though it is actually quite fitting for our secondary for the last several years. 
(https://i.imgur.com/XJT2H49.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 15, 2024, 10:29:45 AM
UGA/Tex should be a great game.  UGa has been kinda schizoid this season....big wins vs Clemson, rollercoaster vs Bama, close games vs USC.  

I kind of see it as a culling line.  Both UGa and Tex are in-place to play for not only the conference championship, but the National championship as well.  This is pretty much an in-season playoff game.  The kicker is, that if UGa loses, they're probably out of the running for both with 2 conference losses.  If Texas loses, they're still in the running for both.  Much the same as Alabama is still in the running for both.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2024, 11:44:31 AM
Glad it's an evening game.  The crowd is going to be... well lubricated.  And the weather should be great too.  Kickoff should be lower 80s, dropping into the mid 70s in the second half.

Interesting factoid, this is only the 3rd Top 5 matchup ever, in Austin.  That's partly because TX-OU is always at the Cotton Bowl and there have been quite a few top 5 matchups in that series.   And over the years we've played Top 5 matchups in numerous Cotton Bowls, Sugar Bowls, and Rose Bowls, plus several regular season away games.  But this is only the 3rd time in the AP poll era, that both Texas and its opponent were in the AP Top 5 for a game in Austin.

The second one was the 2006 game against Ohio State, Horns lost 24-7.

And the first was against the pigs in 1970, Texas won that one 42-7.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2024, 12:22:21 PM
Hmm another interesting factoid I just saw, Kirby Smart is 0-3 on the road in AP Top 10 matchups.  This is true road games, not neutral site games.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 16, 2024, 01:54:43 PM
Texas wins the toss, UGA drives down the field but is called for holding, kicks a FG, up 3-0.

Texas takes kickoff, scores TD, leads 7-3.

UGA gets a first down and is intercepted, returned to the 22, Texas punches it in, up 14-3.

UGA gets another FG, now down 14-6.

Texas scores before the half, now up 21-6.  Takes opening KO and scores a FG, up 24-6.  UGA scores a TD, goes for 2 and doesn't make it, down 24-12.  Texas adds another FG, 27-12.  UGA is stopped on fourth down, Texas gets another FG, now 30-12.  UGA scores a late TD, down 30-20, on side kick failes, Texas runs out the clock.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2024, 02:03:10 PM
Are you from the FUTURE????
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on October 16, 2024, 04:27:52 PM
Texas wins the toss, UGA drives down the field but is called for holding, kicks a FG, up 3-0.

Texas takes kickoff, scores TD, leads 7-3.

UGA gets a first down and is intercepted, returned to the 22, Texas punches it in, up 14-3.

UGA gets another FG, now down 14-6.

Texas scores before the half, now up 21-6.  Takes opening KO and scores a FG, up 24-6.  UGA scores a TD, goes for 2 and doesn't make it, down 24-12.  Texas adds another FG, 27-12.  UGA is stopped on fourth down, Texas gets another FG, now 30-12.  UGA scores a late TD, down 30-20, on side kick failes, Texas runs out the clock.
Texas gathers by the band and sings The Eyes of Texas

Your either the greatest sandbagger of all time or you drank your lunch
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2024, 12:16:59 PM
Three things I can't believe:

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2024, 12:22:30 PM
College football rankings: ESPN reveals Week 9 FPI Top 25 with Indiana, LSU surge (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/longformarticle/college-football-rankings-espn-reveals-week-9-fpi-top-25-with-indiana-lsu-surge-238343277/#2519318)

Speaking of weird things.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2024, 12:26:08 PM
Here's more weird:

Vandy is 2-1 in conference, ahead of Alabama, who is 2-2 and tied with Florida and Arkansas.  LSU and A&M are in first undefeated ... in conference play.  No team is undefeated overall.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 20, 2024, 12:57:00 PM
Regarding Alabama, they just finished the best ~15 year period in almost the entire history of CFB, certainly one of the best eras of the "modern" era.  Whatever you want to call the modern era, the last 20 years, 30, 40, or 50 years, they've been one of the best ever.  So now that St. Nick is gone, suddenly they seem very "human".  

When is the last time Alabama had two conference losses by this point in the season?  I can't remember when.  

It would not surprise me to see them win out, but I think with 2 losses they cannot win the SEC this year.  I don't think they could make the playoff either.  The funny thing is that if they do win out, they will have a 10-2 season, and the fans will be super disappointed.  That Vanderbilt loss may be the difference between winning the SEC and going to the playoff, and going to the Nobody Bowl.  Color me NOT SAD.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2024, 12:59:29 PM
Holy cow.....Florida's backup QBs went 8/15, but for 279 yards, being 18.6 ypa and 34.9 ypc.

Talk about making the most of your limited chances.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2024, 01:06:37 PM
When is the last time Alabama had two conference losses by this point in the season?  I can't remember when. 

2007, Saban's first year at Bama.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 20, 2024, 01:09:13 PM
Texas wins the toss, UGA drives down the field but is called for holding, kicks a FG, up 3-0.

Texas takes kickoff, scores TD, leads 7-3.

UGA gets a first down and is intercepted, returned to the 22, Texas punches it in, up 14-3.

UGA gets another FG, now down 14-6.

Texas scores before the half, now up 21-6.  Takes opening KO and scores a FG, up 24-6.  UGA scores a TD, goes for 2 and doesn't make it, down 24-12.  Texas adds another FG, 27-12.  UGA is stopped on fourth down, Texas gets another FG, now 30-12.  UGA scores a late TD, down 30-20, on side kick failes, Texas runs out the clock.

Your voodoo worked. 

There are shamans in New Orleans who would be jealous of that kind of voodoo-ery  :88:
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2024, 01:44:42 PM
I was pretty close as to the score....
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2024, 01:46:43 PM
SEC Hot Seat Watch: Where things stand after Week 8 (saturdaydownsouth.com) (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-hot-seat-watch-where-things-stand-after-week-8/)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 20, 2024, 02:10:59 PM
About SEC officiating

Georgia SHOULD have lost possession, but, that wasn't the call... they literally changed the call because of peer pressure of the crowd? 

Bama MAYBE should have been able to substitute players, but, they tried to fake an injury to do so... blatantly... the refs punished them for that, which isn't in the rulebook. 

A indicator to me that there is shenanigans present is when the field is littered with yellow tissues- both teams being penalized.... but one team at more critical points and seemingly purposely.  This is a epidemic in cfb, and especially the SEC where refs guide a game to whatever ends they choose.  The only way to certainly beat a team is to BEAT THEM LIKE STEPCHILDREN and take the zebras out of it..  and... it really bothers me.. NIL or portal killing the game?  Refs are doing more damage. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 20, 2024, 03:06:23 PM
So am I the only one who thinks maybe Brent Venables is toast after this season?  Maybe even before the season is over?  

I wonder if Bob Stoops wants to come back to OU to be the HC again?  It seems like maybe his kids are older and out on their own somewhat, and he is still coaching football in the XFL.  Kinda like Wild Bill did at KSU where he stepped away for a few years and then came back.  He's only 65.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2024, 03:24:14 PM
Texas now has a tough road game against a ranked team Saturday, a team that has owned them historically.

Venables is toast.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 20, 2024, 04:52:03 PM
  • I can't believe Alabama is so Jekyll and Hyde.  Sometimes they look amazing and yet the majority of the time they look like they don't know what they're doing. 

So nice to watch a Bama team that's like everybody else. Having weeks where penalties get out of hand - 15 yesterday. Weeks where the offense goes cold for long stretches - no scores on their last 4 possessions yesterday. Weeks where the Defense can't get off the field down the stretch. Press conferences where the coach doesn't have answers. And an entire fanbase feeling like its the end of the world because they've lost two games before Halloween.

So am I the only one who thinks maybe Brent Venables is toast after this season?

I absolutely believe Venables gets one more season after this. After going 11-3 last season, Oklahoma extended Venables until 2030. Meaning Venables is too costly to fire this soon. Yes, going 11-3 is good, but Oklahoma went 11-3 with just about the easiest schedule they've had in years. Even at the time a contract extension for that long was unwarranted. Going into this season, 8-4 was a more realistic expectation. Now it appears that can be adjusted down to 6-6 given the rest of the schedule and corps of an offense.

While I don't believe Venables will be fired, OC Seth Littrell and OL Coach Bill Bedenbaugh likely will be. The only way to defend them is to use the uncommonly high amount of injuries to the QB, OL, and WRs as an excuse.

On the defensive side of the ball, Venables has them playing better every year; and recruiting is going well.

edit: Looks like Littrell is already on his way out:

https://twitter.com/SoonerScoop/status/1848130419838816313
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on October 20, 2024, 06:48:42 PM
So am I the only one who thinks maybe Brent Venables is toast after this season?  Maybe even before the season is over? 

I wonder if Bob Stoops wants to come back to OU to be the HC again?  It seems like maybe his kids are older and out on their own somewhat, and he is still coaching football in the XFL.  Kinda like Wild Bill did at KSU where he stepped away for a few years and then came back.  He's only 65.
I think Brent would be gone at the end of the season except for his buyout. He got a 6-year extension after last season.
I don't think Bob Stoops wants to coach CFB again. All the reasons that made him want to leave are bigger/worse now.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on October 20, 2024, 06:56:22 PM
. . .

I absolutely believe Venables gets one more season after this. After going 11-3 last season, Oklahoma extended Venables until 2030. Meaning Venables is too costly to fire this soon. Yes, going 11-3 is good, but Oklahoma went 11-3 with just about the easiest schedule they've had in years. Even at the time a contract extension for that long was unwarranted. Going into this season, 8-4 was a more realistic expectation. Now it appears that can be adjusted down to 6-6 given the rest of the schedule and corps of an offense.

While I don't believe Venables will be fired, OC Seth Littrell and OL Coach Bill Bedenbaugh likely will be. The only way to defend them is to use the uncommonly high amount of injuries to the QB, OL, and WRs as an excuse.

On the defensive side of the ball, Venables has them playing better every year; and recruiting is going well.

edit: Looks like Littrell is already on his way out:

https://twitter.com/SoonerScoop/status/1848130419838816313
OU was 10-3 last year, counting the loss to Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. The Sooners probably should have lost to Texas but they should have beaten Kansas and Oklahoma State. It was much better than the 6-7 debut season under Venables, but disappointing nevertheless. The contract extension was too generous. Stated reason was to help recruiting.
8-4 was realistic this year. Now 5-7 seems likely. I don't see any conference wins in the games remaining. Yesterday's home game with South Carolina was presumed to be the easiest remaining conference game.
Recruiting seems to be going well in terms of star-rankings. Development, not so much.
Thanks for the news on Littrell. I don't think he'll be the only one fired.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 20, 2024, 09:51:38 PM
Big news for me. We’re going to try and go to the lsu game this weekend. I haven’t been to a game of consequence since I was a student. And I haven’t been to a night game at Kyle in many, many years either. Now I just have to price tickets and figure out who all is going. 

Thinking back, the last important game I went to would’ve been OU in 2000.  Great game, we were winning until very late, ou went on to win the MNC. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 20, 2024, 10:08:09 PM
Big news for me. We’re going to try and go to the lsu game this weekend. I haven’t been to a game of consequence since I was a student. And I haven’t been to a night game at Kyle in many, many years either. Now I just have to price tickets and figure out who all is going.

Thinking back, the last important game I went to would’ve been OU in 2000.  Great game, we were winning until very late, ou went on to win the MNC.
That's great, have fun, it should be a helluva game!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 21, 2024, 12:00:16 AM
I’m seriously trying to remember the last time I went to a night game, and I’m coming up short. I don’t actually remember many night games when I was in school, ‘96-2000.  OU 98 was at night during a rainstorm. oSu ‘97 was at night on Halloween ( big comeback win ). I don’t recall if any were at night in 99 or 2000. 

Now I get to find out how much tickets cost. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 12:13:56 AM
Good luck with that! :)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 06:06:40 AM
A&M is a 2.5 point favorite.  

Missouri goes to Tloosa as a nearly two TD dog.  Huh.

Texas at Vandy -17.5.

All six are ranked teams.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 21, 2024, 09:07:43 AM
I’m seriously trying to remember the last time I went to a night game, and I’m coming up short. I don’t actually remember many night games when I was in school, ‘96-2000.  OU 98 was at night during a rainstorm. oSu ‘97 was at night on Halloween ( big comeback win ). I don’t recall if any were at night in 99 or 2000.

Now I get to find out how much tickets cost.

I went to the Texas/UGA game this weekend with my daughter. We have really crummy seats in the North/Northeast section of the upper deck. Tix in this section usually get scalped to the opposing team's fans.
All that said, this might have been the biggest game I've seen Texas play in person. Texas has played, and won, some important games, but usually they were of the "Texas needs this to continue their struggle to return to relevancy" variety. This was the first game I've seen where Texas was a power, and they were playing a power.

Too bad the actual game itself didn't turn out better! =)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 09:10:13 AM
Too bad the actual game itself didn't turn out better! =)
Yeah, I wanted a shut out ....
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 21, 2024, 10:26:07 AM
You could have easily had one.
My big question: Did someone call that brain-dead kickoff to start the 2nd half? Did the kicker decide on his own? Was it just a mis-hit?
That was an all-time moronic thing to do. Texas couldn't move the ball against the Dawg defense no matter what. Get the ball deep and wait for the punt or TO. Instead, with a short field at home, Texas scores and makes the 2nd half competitive. When the air is out of the building, don't help bring it back.

Now Texas fans showed up and represented in the stadium. Where my seats are is prime real estate for resellers. That's to say I was seated in the middle of several rows of UGA fans. The ones right behind me said they got their tickets last December, flew from Gainesville, FL to San Antonio on Tuesday, and would fly out on Sunday. They were old(er), and not at all intimidated about giving full throat to their support. Really, the ladies were expert defensive analysts and impressed me.

The 40-something Chads in several rows in front of me were obviously misled by the repeated canard that Texas fans are enraged by "Horns Down". He kept drunkenly turning around to see if he could catch my eye. Eventually my daughter helped take a photo for him with his group, since his attempts were about to lead to someone going over the rail. Also, if "UT-A" means something amongst the SEC cognizati, please put out a pamphlet or something. There's actually a University of Texas Arlington campus, so it's a bit like chanting "UTEP" or "UTSA". Not sure what the idea was there.

Overall, I was among real football fans for the night. The inability of the Longhorns to get Santana's keyboardist to be mic'ed in the FOH was symptomatic of the proceedings!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 10:40:35 AM
You could have easily had one.
My big question: Did someone call that brain-dead kickoff to start the 2nd half? Did the kicker decide on his own? Was it just a mis-hit?
That was an all-time moronic thing to do. Texas couldn't move the ball against the Dawg defense no matter what. Get the ball deep and wait for the punt or TO. Instead, with a short field at home, Texas scores and makes the 2nd half competitive. When the air is out of the building, don't help bring it back.

Now Texas fans showed up and represented in the stadium. Where my seats are is prime real estate for resellers. That's to say I was seated in the middle of several rows of UGA fans. The ones right behind me said they got their tickets last December, flew from Gainesville, FL to San Antonio on Tuesday, and would fly out on Sunday. They were old(er), and not at all intimidated about giving full throat to their support. Really, the ladies were expert defensive analysts and impressed me.

The 40-something Chads in several rows in front of me were obviously misled by the repeated canard that Texas fans are enraged by "Horns Down". He kept drunkenly turning around to see if he could catch my eye. Eventually my daughter helped take a photo for him with his group, since his attempts were about to lead to someone going over the rail. Also, if "UT-A" means something amongst the SEC cognizati, please put out a pamphlet or something. There's actually a University of Texas Arlington campus, so it's a bit like chanting "UTEP" or "UTSA". Not sure what the idea was there.

Overall, I was among real football fans for the night. The inability of the Longhorns to get Santana's keyboardist to be mic'ed in the FOH was symptomatic of the proceedings!

Yeah I did a whirlwind trip from the racetrack to the stadium for the game, and then back to the racetrack afterward.  Game atmosphere was really good for the most part.  Georgia's dominance in the first half put a damper on it, but the Texas resurgence in the 2nd half brough most of it back.  I wasn't really near any Georgia fans so can't comment on their knowledge of the game.

I agree, that weird squib kick (failed onsides kick??) didn't help Georgia at all.  But the Texas offense finally put together a string of nice plays, getting the ball out much quicker, and I'm not so sure the Horns wouldn't have scored anyway.  For all of the challenges, the game became a one score affair at 23-15 and a Texas comeback wasn't impossible.  But Georgia did a really nice job of regrouping and weathering the storm, and then closing it out.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 21, 2024, 12:19:21 PM
I just had the epiphany that the Georgia was likely chanting "U-G-A" instead. That makes a ton more sense.
That's what I get for standing in front of amplifiers most of my life.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 12:27:18 PM
Kirby said the kick was a mistake, he wasn't sure what happened, the kicker may have mishit it?  He's a very good kicker.

“So the kick was, they have a very different alignment, and that was not the planned kick,” Smart said. (https://www.dawgnation.com/gameday/what-kirby-smart-said-about-earning-100th-career-win-beating-no-1-texas/T5XB5ONSKZFJ3JRRS4EHKYHF4Y/) “It was unfortunate. Peyton missed the ball a little bit. And we weren’t trying to squib that.”
The shortened field led to Texas’ first score of the half, with Texas benefiting from a third-down pass interference call on freshman KJ Bolden.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 01:05:30 PM
Lulz at the loaded language "benefiting from a pass interference call."

Another way to phrase it-- Georgia got caught cheating and was penalized for it.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 01:08:13 PM
I just had the epiphany that the Georgia was likely chanting "U-G-A" instead. That makes a ton more sense.
That's what I get for standing in front of amplifiers most of my life.
Ha!  I was wondering what the heck you were talking about.  Yeah they were chanting "UGA" in support of their team.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 01:09:45 PM
Lulz at the loaded language "benefiting from a pass interference call."

Another way to phrase it-- Georgia got caught cheating and was penalized for it.
Or the refs constantly tried to give the game to Texas.   
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 01:12:35 PM
Or the refs constantly tried to give the game to Texas. 
ROFLMGDMFSBAO!

That's hilarious.  It took a 5 minute delay and a temper tantrum from the student section just to get them to correct an egregious and intentional-seeming error they made in Georgia's favor on a clear Offensive pass interference and potential game-changing play.  They're lucky they made it out of Austin alive.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 21, 2024, 01:20:14 PM
Which gives rise to a question:
As Texas reviews its procedures to ensure a more streamlined game environment, what procedures are the SEC implementing to ensure the officials get a simple OPI/DPI call correct without relying on a 4 minute crowd initiated delay?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 01:25:38 PM
Which gives rise to a question:
As Texas reviews its procedures to ensure a more streamlined game environment, what procedures are the SEC implementing to ensure the officials get a simple OPI/DPI call correct without relying on a 4 minute crowd initiated delay?
Also raises another question-- if the SEC office is so concerned over sportsmanship and sideline safety, what fines and other reprimands have they issued against Georgia for their grown adult head coach assaulting an opposing 20-year-old player during a fit of childish rage on the sideline a week ago?

We'll be sure to send that $250K check just as soon as they answer that question for us.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: EastAthens on October 21, 2024, 01:44:05 PM
Or the refs constantly tried to give the game to Texas. 
This.  Not only did the refs cave to the trash, Etienne had to score that last td twice and the 2nd targeting call was as bad as the trash call.  The announcers and the officials analyst could not believe what the refs were calling.  Did  not matter but it was obvious the refs were intimidated.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 01:49:07 PM
It took a 5 minute delay and a temper tantrum from the student section 
I was a little disappointed in UT's throw-crap-on-the-field game.  At LSU we throw piss bags on the field.  You may screw our team temporarily, but the scent of human waste will be with you forever. 

I feel like we have a much better caliber crowd-thuggery. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 01:50:07 PM
Also raises another question-- if the SEC office is so concerned over sportsmanship and sideline safety, what fines and other reprimands have they issued against Georgia for their grown adult head coach assaulting an opposing 20-year-old player during a fit of childish rage on the sideline a week ago?

We'll be sure to send that $250K check just as soon as they answer that question for us.
They did nothing of course, as I noted last week.   If they had done something perhaps it would have been a "big deal".  As it is, it's forgotten, by most.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on October 21, 2024, 03:44:38 PM
. . . The shortened field led to Texas’ first score of the half, with Texas benefiting from a third-down pass interference call on freshman KJ Bolden.


Funny how that happens. The botched 2nd-half kickoff led to Texas' first score of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 03:52:53 PM
8-4 was realistic this year. Now 5-7 seems likely. I don't see any conference wins in the games remaining. 

So, you wanna just cancel Thanksgiving weekend, or what? 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 03:57:30 PM
They did nothing of course, as I noted last week.  If they had done something perhaps it would have been a "big deal".  As it is, it's forgotten, by most.
Yes we all know you don't believe it was a problem, and we all knew the SEC wouldn't do anything about it.  I think that says it all, right there.

I was a little disappointed in UT's throw-crap-on-the-field game.  At LSU we throw piss bags on the field.  You may screw our team temporarily, but the scent of human waste will be with you forever.

I feel like we have a much better caliber crowd-thuggery.


It was only our second "real" SEC game, you'll have to give us a little time to learn the proper SEC way of doing things. :)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 04:01:07 PM
This.  Not only did the refs cave to the trash, Etienne had to score that last td twice and the 2nd targeting call was as bad as the trash call.  The announcers and the officials analyst could not believe what the refs were calling.  Did  not matter but it was obvious the refs were intimidated.

I didn't think it was a particularly poorly officiated game.  Re:  the flag the refs picked up, maybe they were scared or caving to pressure, but the flag never should've been thrown, so justice was done.  

I can't remember a flag being picked up since our 2006 anger-fest against Auburn.

I agreed with the targeting calls.  Only one that surprised me this weekend was our LB who was flagged for targeting but got a reprieve on review.  It was the kind of hit I hate to see called, but I've seen it called dozens of times, I think it was technically targeting, and I thought for sure he was gone. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 04:02:20 PM

It was only our second "real" SEC game, you'll have to give us a little time to learn the proper SEC way of doing things. :)


I think it's just us. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2024, 04:04:23 PM
I view a thing as a "Big Deal" if it has repercussions.  That doesn't mean I think it was a good or bad thing, just not a Big Deal as I understand the term.  Without some kind of reaction or response or official act, it just is something that happened that passed in the night.  And maybe something SHOULD have happened, but it didn't.

Ergo, tree falling in forest etc.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 04:30:00 PM
Yes, we all know you're choosing to dismiss the assault on the sideline.  You really don't need to tell us for the 57th time.

My point remains, that I'll believe the SEC is serious about sportsmanship and sideline safety, when they do something about that incident.  Unless/until they do, I remain hilariously entertained by the "penalty" they've assigned to the Texas student section.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 04:36:32 PM
There are penalties for the piss bags we throw? 

I thought carrying the things around was penalty enough. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 04:44:08 PM
There are penalties for the piss bags we throw?

I thought carrying the things around was penalty enough.
Perhaps if Texas students had thrown piss like a proper SEC team there'd have been no penalty? :)

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 05:49:18 PM
Again, I think that one is just us. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 21, 2024, 05:55:10 PM
Again, I think that one is just us.
Oh yeah, the other fan bases throw mustard bottles and batteries.  Sorry I forgot about that stuff.  I'm still learning.

I was just proud of the students for throwing their $5 waters instead of their $13 beers.  Smart kids.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 21, 2024, 11:08:55 PM
They didn't get admitted into UT for nothin'....

Lost in the lopsided flow of the game, Carson Beck was a dismal 23/41, 175, 0 TDs against 3 INTS, for 4.3 ypa.  Dismal doesn't hardly begin to cover it.  Not sure I've ever seen a QB perform that badly whose team still dominated.  Maybe Greg McElroy in the 2009 NC game, but these numbers vs. that outcome is hard to top.

Ewers comp% and ypa were barely any better, but the rest of his stats look better than Beck's.  But the game never really felt like Ewers was outplaying Beck. 

Except for those 3 INTs.  Yeesh.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 22, 2024, 08:19:54 AM
UT defense was given short fields to defend all game long.  They actually did a decent job.  I'd say both Beck and Ewers severely diminished their draft prospects during that game.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 22, 2024, 08:40:07 AM
Beck has not played nearly as well as he did last season.  Part of it could be the absence of Bowers and McConkey, part could be the Big Head, etc.  He has dropped from a top five to maybe Day 2-3.  Bowers was an absolute go to guy in college if you threw it anywhere near him.  Beck had a few drops against Texas, but still, he was "mediocre" at best.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2024, 12:26:23 PM
This made me laugh:

https://twitter.com/jerrylawless3/status/1849102183804850455?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849102183804850455%7Ctwgr%5E023f70587434d110c979fa10913e67f0f5498c30%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjerrylawless3%2Fstatus%2F1849102183804850455%3Fs%3D46
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 23, 2024, 01:18:52 PM
They should spend their efforts on finishing their dang stadium instead.  They're nearly a new joke at this point...."How many Vandy admins does it take to complete a stadium renovation?" 

The SEC Shorts Vandy character has been fun this year. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2024, 01:26:22 PM
They should spend their efforts on finishing their dang stadium instead.  They're nearly a new joke at this point...."How many Vandy admins does it take to complete a stadium renovation?"

The SEC Shorts Vandy character has been fun this year.
Pimp Vandy is awesome. It's sad that I must root for putting him back in his coffin this week, but them's the breaks.

Regarding the stadium netting above, I'm fairly certain it's a joke.  And it's a good one!

But in reality, since their entire stadium is the "visitor's section" they'd need a lot more netting to be effective...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 23, 2024, 02:48:58 PM
At least Vandy is in Nashville, which is somewhat akin to Austin on a smaller scale, but still interesting.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2024, 11:25:24 AM
At least Vandy is in Nashville, which is somewhat akin to Austin on a smaller scale, but still interesting.
I really would have liked to have gone to this game.  Wasn't in the cards.

Instead, all day long on Saturday, I'll be doing parent-volunteering for my kids' high school marching band.  This is the Area competition, which determines who will go on to compete at State. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 24, 2024, 02:16:28 PM
I'll be watching on tv, but only til maybe the 4th quarter or so.  The game starts late for the afternoon slot, so it will run into the LSU game at 6.  Hopefully Texas takes care of business early and doesn't leave it interesting late.  Because I gave Mrs. DT tv rights last week, missing us finally play a non-heart-stopping game vs the pigs, so that we could watch Texas do.....that.  I'm not relinquishing viewing rights this weekend after that :96:
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on October 24, 2024, 02:17:36 PM
I really would have liked to have gone to this game.  Wasn't in the cards.

Instead, all day long on Saturday, I'll be doing parent-volunteering for my kids' high school marching band.  This is the Area competition, which determines who will go on to compete at State.

I have "Zoo Boo" to attend Saturday night at the Memphis Zoo, with the wife, daughter and grandkids.

Tennessee is on a bye week -- the only reason I got the invitation. :)

But, I didn't know A&M and LSU would be this big of a game.  I'd love to watch it.

Would it be crass to watch it on the ESPN App on my phone while walking around the zoo?  Don't matter -- I'm doing it.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on October 24, 2024, 02:18:57 PM
I'll be watching on tv, but only til maybe the 4th quarter or so.  The game starts late for the afternoon slot, so it will run into the LSU game at 6.  Hopefully Texas takes care of business early and doesn't leave it interesting late.  Because I gave Mrs. DT tv rights last week, missing us finally play a non-heart-stopping game vs the pigs, so that we could watch Texas do.....that.  I'm not relinquishing viewing rights this weekend after that :96:

I have an extra TV not being used.  I could ship it to you.

You either need the TV, or you are quite a bit more gentlemanly than I.  LOL
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 24, 2024, 02:21:26 PM
Last week I started a university job, so I technically work for the state now.  The benefits are quite good, but yet I'm currently unable to get on here to kill/waste time.  At the moment I check in from my phone at lunch.  

What is the point of being a gub'ment employee if you can't excel at wasting time? 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on October 24, 2024, 02:27:42 PM
Last week I started a university job, so I technically work for the state now.  The benefits are quite good, but yet I'm currently unable to get on here to kill/waste time.  At the moment I check in from my phone at lunch. 

What is the point of being a gub'ment employee if you can't excel at wasting time?

I thought it was a pre-requisite?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2024, 02:32:42 PM
TVs are cheap MDT, you could get a second one, you know!

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2024, 02:33:36 PM
I have "Zoo Boo" to attend Saturday night at the Memphis Zoo, with the wife, daughter and grandkids.

Tennessee is on a bye week -- the only reason I got the invitation. :)

But, I didn't know A&M and LSU would be this big of a game.  I'd love to watch it.

Would it be crass to watch it on the ESPN App on my phone while walking around the zoo?  Don't matter -- I'm doing it. 
I believe it would be crass NOT to do so...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on October 24, 2024, 02:45:59 PM
I have "Zoo Boo" to attend Saturday night at the Memphis Zoo, with the wife, daughter and grandkids.

Tennessee is on a bye week -- the only reason I got the invitation. :)

But, I didn't know A&M and LSU would be this big of a game.  I'd love to watch it.

Would it be crass to watch it on the ESPN App on my phone while walking around the zoo?  Don't matter -- I'm doing it. 
you can also play "speed Zoo" which is fun
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2024, 02:47:48 PM
Texas-Georgia is now the highest rated college football broadcast of the season at 13.19M average viewers.

So... yay.  Apparently EVERYONE got to see... whatever that was.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on October 24, 2024, 02:52:07 PM
Texas-Georgia is now the highest rated college football broadcast of the season at 13.19M average viewers.

So... yay.  Apparently EVERYONE got to see... whatever that was.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/


Bama/TN “the appetizer” had like 10.3 million. 

Think CBS is kicking themselves yet?

ABC/ESPN/Disney hit the mother load.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 24, 2024, 03:01:48 PM
Yeah it was a huge day for Disney.  Not sure why CBS decided to opt out, and it's too bad because their HD broadcasts are the best in the business.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 24, 2024, 03:05:37 PM
I'm sure there was competitive bidding going on.  ABC can use it to leverage ESPN in a way CBS could not.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 24, 2024, 03:45:58 PM
I thought it was a pre-requisite?
I mean, I assumed so.  I'm sure I'll get the hang of doing nothing on the taxpayer dime soon enough.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 26, 2024, 11:36:04 AM
Well, it’s official. Me and my son are going to the LSU A&M game. 

I looked for tickets online. Back in the old days, we’d mess around the stadium and buy them from people, but I’m not sure if you can do that anymore. Ended up buying some online via seat geek. It’s all digital, in my apple wallet. 

The price made my eyes water. I really wanted to spend no more than $200-300 per ticket, but those were really shitty and in the nosebleeds. The online sites really Jack up the fees as well, almost to the point of being criminal. I said f’it and ended up buying awesome seats for a stupid amount of money. I figured if I was going to go through the trouble to get there I want to be able to see the game. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2024, 01:51:35 AM
Nice.  Glad you got to see a win, for all that money!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2024, 01:52:45 AM
And condolences to MDT. 

I didn't get to see any of the game, had family obligations, but it sounds like it must have been pretty exciting.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 27, 2024, 11:29:18 AM
Last night was really special. The seats were amazing, and the game was great. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2024, 12:06:09 PM
So, some clarity about which teams seem more likely to make the SEC CG:

Texas - Really one more really important game.
A&M - Ditto, could still lose to Texas and slide in if other one loss teams lose.
UGA - Plays Florida, which tends to be a thing, AT Ole Miss, and hosts Tennessee, basically needs to win out.
Tenn - Needs to win out.  Still plays at LSU and UGA.

LSU/Bama/Mizzou probably out.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2024, 12:56:18 PM
Could it really come to UT-TAMU for a spot in the SECCCG?  That would be something.  I might try to go to that game afterall, I still have a friend with extra tickets.  I'm sure it'll cost me...
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2024, 01:04:14 PM
I had LSU probably out, that isn't the case, I think, they only have one conference loss now too of course.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2024, 01:08:41 PM
Could it really come to UT-TAMU for a spot in the SECCCG?  That would be something.  I might try to go to that game afterall, I still have a friend with extra tickets.  I'm sure it'll cost me...
It could indeed, and it could also be a double header the next week.

If we assume favorites win each game, A&M would be undefeated in conference play, lose, and still make the CG.  (A&M COULD lose at Auburn of course.)

LSU hosts Bama and goes to Florida, they could also have one loss.  UGA has a fairly tough road.  We COULD have four one loss teams.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 27, 2024, 01:22:42 PM
It could indeed, and it could also be a double header the next week.

If we assume favorites win each game, A&M would be undefeated in conference play, lose, and still make the CG.  (A&M COULD lose at Auburn of course.)

LSU hosts Bama and goes to Florida, they could also have one loss.  UGA has a fairly tough road.  We COULD have four one loss teams.
Yeah, that's why it was actually better for Texas, that A&M won yesterday.  We have a chance to knock off the ags and control the head-to-head tie-breaker, but no such chance against LSU.  Obviously Georgia owns the head-to-head against Texas.

It could be complete chaos.  Or, Horns could lose to the pigs in a couple of weeks and it wouldn't matter at all.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 27, 2024, 01:50:23 PM
There is a decent chance a two loss teams makes the CG (conference Ls).

It COULD be complete chaos.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on October 27, 2024, 06:19:43 PM
So, some clarity about which teams seem more likely to make the SEC CG:

Texas - Really one more really important game.
A&M - Ditto, could still lose to Texas and slide in if other one loss teams lose.
UGA - Plays Florida, which tends to be a thing, AT Ole Miss, and hosts Tennessee, basically needs to win out.
Tenn - Needs to win out.  Still plays at LSU and UGA.

LSU/Bama/Mizzou probably out.

Tennessee does not play LSU. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 28, 2024, 07:50:00 AM
Thanks for that correction, I don't know where I got that.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 28, 2024, 08:03:14 AM
The Vols' remaining conference games are:

Kentucky

Miss State

@ UGA

@ Vandy.

I'm fascinated to think Vandy should be their second toughest game.  UK showed a bit of a spark earlier, but not so much now.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 28, 2024, 10:42:09 AM
My personal thoughts on the A&M LSU game:

My first night game in well over 20 years.  I honestly don't even remember the last night game I attended, but it was probably while I was a student.  I may have attended a few games that started in daylight and played into the night, but I really don't remember.

My 2nd game at the updated stadium.  I think I screwed myself, because after the seats I had Saturday night I never want to sit in regular seats.  The view was awesome, the seats were comfortable ( the little we sat in them), and the amenities for that section were good.  If I'm planning on going to a game once every season or two, I'm going to spring for seats like these.  

I don't know what is going on with our OL, but the reason why Weigaman (I know I spelled that wrong) sucked so bad is because he was under pressure every play.  One of our OL I think is a true freshman and he got beat repeatedly.  Our run game was stalled mostly in the first half.  

I still can't believe the final score.  I recall we were losing 17-7 until midway through the 3rd quarter, but we got a turnover and scored, and the rest was downhill from there.  We dominated the game from that point on.  Reed, the backup QB, only threw (and completed) two passes despite sparking that 2nd half spree.  I think we only completed 8 passes in the whole game.  

Our coaches are determined to run the ball, especially in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.  Our defense can be suffocating at times.  But not always.  

I confess I had way too much to drink during the game, and way too much fun.  They never served beer at the stadium when I was a student, and I'm not sure they even serve it everywhere.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 12:00:09 PM
Last night was really special. The seats were amazing, and the game was great.

I didn't particularly think so. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 12:06:49 PM
And condolences to MDT.

I didn't get to see any of the game, had family obligations, but it sounds like it must have been pretty exciting.

Meh.  Like I previously said, this is a very flawed team, and all the flaws came out to socialize in one sitting.  

Sometimes they're able to spread them out, in which case we could win the Alabama game.  Or they might do that again, and give OU a feel-good springboard to next season.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 12:08:50 PM
As Badger likes to say, the game still boils down to 1) run the ball, 2) stop the run, 3) pressure the quarterback.  Tigers can only do one and a half of those things. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 28, 2024, 12:14:08 PM
How often of late has one team really shined at every moment in a season?  Never?  Don't they all have ups and downs?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 02:00:49 PM
Probably not much, if ever.  

But it's fair to look at the floors and ceilings of teams.  UGA can have an off game against most teams and still be formidable.  At their best, they might crush you.  LSU at their best may claw out a tough win against a tough team, and not at their best, they could lose to many teams.  They don't really stand a chance vs the really good teams. 

It's a flawed team.  

UGA might have flaws.  They might be overcome at times.  Their worst might still get them to the playoffs.  We have flaws that can only be masked or mitigated....they're not capable of fixing them.  Our worst leads to....well, it leads to the second half of the A&M game, is what I'm tempted to say, but really it was the first half too.  Can't fail to convert yards and quality drives into points and not expect consequences.  It's a recurring theme this season and it's not likely to get better.  Winning is hard, and it's nearly impossible when you can't run the ball.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on October 28, 2024, 02:36:36 PM
Every team is flawed and capable of a poor game.  For the best teams, a poor game against a bad team still means an ugly win.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on October 28, 2024, 02:47:36 PM
There's certainly more parity in the sport, at least among the teams that can afford it.  NIL and the open portal transfer rules have created a free agency that allows bad or mid teams with means, to become competitive, far more quickly than before.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 02:53:51 PM
It's really quite something to continue to adjust to teams that are the inverse of the Les Miles blueprint we had for so long.  Teams which could run on everyone not named Alabama even if you knew it was coming, teams which featured brutal defense and brilliant special teams, and teams which frequently couldn't pass for 150 yards. 

The run game has been poor under Kelly, the defense has been LOL and special teams have several meltdowns per season, and the passing game is frequently lethal.

Given my druthers, I'd take the former, which drove many of our fans nuts.  Objectively, my preference may be justified, as Kelly in just 2.5 years has a worse win% than Miles did in 11.5. 

Like it or not (for our fans), most of Miles' teams win that game with A&M.  C'est la vie. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 28, 2024, 05:15:10 PM
Wow !  These are near the seats I had Saturday.  $3,025 each for Tx/Tamu.  Holy Schneikes ! 

(https://i.imgur.com/DDjtLeJ.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on October 28, 2024, 05:16:17 PM
Better have some bux to make this game.  

(https://i.imgur.com/tH8JmeZ.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on October 28, 2024, 05:58:53 PM
Insane what's happened to ticket prices.  In 2006 I got a couple of tickets to the Ole Miss game, about 15 rows up at the 45 yard line, on the home side.  Felt like you could sneeze on the back of player's heads sitting on the bench. 

I don't remember what I paid for them, but I don't think it was exorbitant.  No telling what that would cost now. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 02, 2024, 01:11:12 PM
I don’t like this matchup with SCAR tonight. They are dangerous and well coached. I feel like we were lucky in a couple of our games, and OL has been mediocre to bad. QB is unsettled, and it’s in SC. I just hope we can squeak by with a 1 pt win to keep our SEC hopes alive. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on November 03, 2024, 12:54:02 AM
You were prescient, Gigem.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2024, 07:20:28 AM
South Carolina is a strange place to play, can be very tough, can be not.  They usually are a bit short on talent but the crowd really gets into it against better teams.

So, now the top teams are all tied with one L.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2024, 07:35:22 AM
CHAOS!!!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 03, 2024, 09:38:36 AM
Yeah, that was a strange game. When they came out and scored consecutively to open the game it was a WTF moment.  I have no idea why Elko went for it so early on 4th down deep in our own territory. So many plays should have been a sack or TFL and the QB just slipped on by. I was pleasantly surprised when we settled down on offense and defense to pull ahead. Tied at the half, I expected the second half to be much more polished on both sides of the ball. 

Not sure what happened to us in the 2nd half but the offense just couldn’t get it going. Obviously losing Moss was a huge blow and our running game just wasn’t the same. But as I stated, SCAR is a dangerous team, they gave Georgia and Alabama all they wanted, throttled OU, they’d probably be in 1st in the Big 12. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2024, 09:57:29 AM
Fro, ESPN:

Every team in the league has at least one conference loss now. Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Ole Miss all have multiple losses. Georgia has scuffled regularly, Tennessee (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/2633/tennessee-volunteers) has flirted with disaster in multiple games as it struggles to find a consistent passing game and Texas (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/251/texas-longhorns) has been startlingly bereft of Arch Manning (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4870906/arch-manning) snaps of late.
Saturday's slate only reinforced the concerns. The Aggies still are searching for an offensive identity. Kentucky (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/96/kentucky-wildcats) benched starting QB Brock Vandagriff (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4432782/brock-vandagriff), who now will return to his full-time job as a roadie for Ted Nugent, but still were within striking distance until late in the fourth quarter against the up-and-down Vols. Georgia may be the best team in the country, but it only plays like it for about six minutes per game, and Ole Miss is ridiculously explosive but also entirely erratic.
In other words, the SEC is basically just the old Pac-12, only without the shame or consequences.
So, is the SEC still a four-bid league? It's getting tougher to see four championship-caliber teams here, but that's the joy of a 12-team playoff. Half of those teams probably never had a shot at winning it all anyway.


Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 03, 2024, 10:13:00 AM
South Carolina rushed for more yards against A&M on their opening drive than LSU did in their entire game last Saturday....and that was prior to the 24 yard TD run.  Even before that play, SC had already amassed 32 yards, I believe, on the ground, which is about 8 more than the Tigers gained on A&M all game. 

I really don't trust a team that can't run the ball, and I guess that accounts for my lack of belief in them as a truly "competitive" team.  Having such a weak run game limits what you can do at the goal-line.....and that has reared it's ugly head all season.  And it puts way too much pressure on the passing game....which has mostly not hurt us too bad, but it really did against A&M, and will again in the future. 

It hurt us against South Carolina, but fortunately they were missing a key player or two, including QB Sellers for a good portion of the game.  Ole Miss was also missing their nation-best insane WR when we beat them.  Both of those teams should've beaten us, and likely would have if they weren't missing their best players. 

I dunno....I feel like we should've beaten USC, and missed a bunch of chances A&M handed us, so maybe it all evens out.  But I have no illusions of LSU "still being in the hunt" or anything like that.  Even if they made the SECCG or the playoffs, they'll get bent over by the first legitimate "good" team they face. 

It goes beyond just this season though.  Mark my words.....Brian Kelly will be the first LSU coach in the last 4 not to win a national title.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 03, 2024, 10:14:08 AM
Also.....

A&M donned black jersey's last week on their home field and obliterated LSU.  Then South Carolina donned black jerseys on their home field and obliterated A&M.

Somebody get me LSU's uniform coordinator so I can tell him to have LSU come out against Alabama in black unis.  There's something to this.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2024, 10:22:59 AM
I recall when UGA donned blacks against Alabama in 2008 I think, Bama led at the half 31-0 or something.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 03, 2024, 08:28:35 PM
South Carolina rushed for more yards against A&M on their opening drive than LSU did in their entire game last Saturday....and that was prior to the 24 yard TD run.  Even before that play, SC had already amassed 32 yards, I believe, on the ground, which is about 8 more than the Tigers gained on A&M all game. 

I really don't trust a team that can't run the ball, and I guess that accounts for my lack of belief in them as a truly "competitive" team.  Having such a weak run game limits what you can do at the goal-line.....and that has reared it's ugly head all season.  And it puts way too much pressure on the passing game....which has mostly not hurt us too bad, but it really did against A&M, and will again in the future. 

It hurt us against South Carolina, but fortunately they were missing a key player or two, including QB Sellers for a good portion of the game.  Ole Miss was also missing their nation-best insane WR when we beat them.  Both of those teams should've beaten us, and likely would have if they weren't missing their best players. 

I dunno....I feel like we should've beaten USC, and missed a bunch of chances A&M handed us, so maybe it all evens out.  But I have no illusions of LSU "still being in the hunt" or anything like that.  Even if they made the SECCG or the playoffs, they'll get bent over by the first legitimate "good" team they face. 

It goes beyond just this season though.  Mark my words.....Brian Kelly will be the first LSU coach in the last 4 not to win a national title. 
South Carolina ran all over us because we could not tackle. We were in the backfield all night with would be TFL or sacks and it was like we had baby oil on our hands. Just could not get it done. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 04, 2024, 07:28:51 AM
https://voiceofmotown.com/source-jimbo-fisher-ready-and-willing-to-come-home/

Paying this clown $10 million not to coach with no clause if he gets another job. This is why I’ve never been eager to donate money to the 12th man foundation. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 04, 2024, 01:49:24 PM
https://voiceofmotown.com/source-jimbo-fisher-ready-and-willing-to-come-home/

Paying this clown $10 million not to coach with no clause if he gets another job. This is why I’ve never been eager to donate money to the 12th man foundation.

Thank your then-AD Scott Woodward.  Same guy that has us paying the other clown Brian Kelly $10 mil/yr to perpetually have no ground game, derpy special teams, and frequently bad defense, with an unaffordable buyout. 

Woodward always wins the press conference.  His contracts generally win the Darwin Awards. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 04, 2024, 02:50:39 PM
I will never stop believing that Fisher essentially “ checked out “ after he basically got all that guaranteed money after 2020. Maybe not consciously, but the teams played much worse after that. That and he recruited stars instead of players. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 04, 2024, 09:12:26 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42194182/texas-loses-lead-rusher-leveon-moss-leg-season

Ugh.  Lev’eon Moss, our top RB and IMO the most important player on the team is out for the rest of the season. I’m fairly confident that’s one of the reasons why we didn’t win Saturday night.

I know injuries happen in football, but it always seems that this kind of shit happens to us more than anybody else. Imagine if VY went out in the 9th game of the season in 2005. And yes, I’m well aware of Colt going down in the MNC, but at least Texas won the Big 12 that year. 

I remember it was cited often how OU did not lose a starter during their impressive 2000 season.

The Evil Capricious Football Gods have struck again. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 05, 2024, 12:05:09 AM
At least you didn't lose your young-but-talented-backup-QB during a serious upset bid over UGA.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 05, 2024, 07:07:50 AM
At least you didn't lose your young-but-talented-backup-QB during a serious upset bid over UGA.
The difference is that your season is basically over.  No chance to win the sec or CFB. I think everyone acknowledges that you need a little luck in this game, we just seem to never have it. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2024, 07:24:46 AM
Florida's season really is about the head coach now.  If they lose more games but appear to be trying hard, he might keep his job.  

I know a lot of their fans want Kiffin, I rather hope they get him.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 05, 2024, 10:34:29 AM
At least you didn't lose your young-but-talented-backup-QB during a serious upset bid over UGA.

I hear Lagway's injury may not be that serious and hasn't yet been ruled out for the Texas game, and may be "probable" by the time LSU comes.  Any truth to that? 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 05, 2024, 10:41:28 AM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42194182/texas-loses-lead-rusher-leveon-moss-leg-season

Ugh.  Lev’eon Moss, our top RB and IMO the most important player on the team is out for the rest of the season. I’m fairly confident that’s one of the reasons why we didn’t win Saturday night.

I know injuries happen in football, but it always seems that this kind of shit happens to us more than anybody else. Imagine if VY went out in the 9th game of the season in 2005. And yes, I’m well aware of Colt going down in the MNC, but at least Texas won the Big 12 that year. 

I remember it was cited often how OU did not lose a starter during their impressive 2000 season.

The Evil Capricious Football Gods have struck again.

We haven't lost our QB or anything like that (and really, it doesn't matter if we were to lose our "best" rb, whatever that might mean in our case), but since Kelly took over we've been thin at DL and for the third year in a row--all of Kelly's time here--we've lost the projected best DT either in the first game or prior to the season.  It's really odd how snakebit that unit is.  At a spot that's thin and not overly talented, we keep losing the one guy most believe are "SEC caliber." 

That said, some of the other DL this year have played better than expected.  Snagging coach  Bo Davis from Texas probably was a very good get.  They were expected to be "not great, Bob" after this year's top guy was injured, but they've been "not bad." 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 05, 2024, 11:16:53 AM
I hear Lagway's injury may not be that serious and hasn't yet been ruled out for the Texas game, and may be "probable" by the time LSU comes.  Any truth to that?
What I got from Napier's statement of the injury is "less significant than originally thought and there's a pathway to recovery and return" was that Lagway had an MRI on Sunday that didn't indicate a Grade 3 injury. Since there's no reason why he's medically out after the MRI, there's no reason to make a definitive statement on a soft tissue injury.
Obviously every soft tissue injury is different (as opposed to, say, a broken arm that has a relatively known healing time frame). Perhaps it really wasn't as bad as it looked - when the player cannot walk off the sideline. However, a hamstring is something that can absolutely be made worse by playing on it, especially his style of play. Unless keeping him out of the 2nd half was just an outrageous amount of precaution, it's not really realistic to think he'd be ready to play a week later.
I'm thinking the statement meant "he isn't lost for the year". I'm expecting Lagway to be listed as "doubtful" on tomorrow's injury report, and "out" on Friday's report.
I remember Adrian Peterson playing the RRS in 2005 on a destroyed ankle. He'd take the handoff and basically jog out of bounds on a slow diagonal since he had no ability to cut or accelerate.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2024, 12:08:18 PM
I'd be surprised if Lagway plays and if he does, I'd be surprised if he's very productive.

But I suppose ya never know.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2024, 12:29:29 PM
Those of us who have had a large muscle injury know it can seem OK when it isn't.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 06, 2024, 12:53:32 PM
The last information I saw was that it's a Grade 2 tear. That's partial tearing of the fibers. Now, these are spry, well conditioned athletes with top notch medical care designed to get them going again, but to you and me, that's a minimum 4 week recovery.
Again, there's no such thing as a "typical" soft tissue injury.
As Cincy said, that's a large muscle group. The movements it makes are explosive and sudden. If you feel pain, it's too late to stop. Until it heals fully, you're almost certain to make it worse by playing.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 09, 2024, 09:37:52 PM
UGa goes down. Didn’t see that coming. 

Miami goes down. 

Bama winning. 

UTex wins handily 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2024, 12:47:29 PM
When a team struggles, but wins, it's still a sign they probably aren't that good, even if they are 10-0.  UGA has struggled a lot this season, and lost 2 of the 3 real teams they faced.  I don't know how they beat Texas, that probably happens one time in five.  The fans are blaming everyone, of course, I think the talent has some holes in key positions more than anything.  Folks like Bowers covered a lot of other weaknesses.

Well, there really weren't "folks like Bowers".
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 10, 2024, 01:02:29 PM
Texas really ebbs and flows with Ewers.  When he's doing everything wrong, even Vandy can make them sweat (albeit the best Vandy team in some time).  When he's doing what he's capable of doing, they're probably the best team in the country.  He was bad-Ewers against UGA, and if he'd already snapped out of his post-injury fog, the Longhorns likely win vs. the Dawgs, imo. 

I think we're headed for a Texas/Alabama SECCG.  We'll see.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 10, 2024, 01:11:58 PM
Florida has a great shot to break the skid against LSU next weekend.  This LSU team is getting worse throughout the season, and Florida, although playing an entire second string offense, has gotten better.  I think they've each sailed far enough in their respective directions that the ships may be ready to pass in the night, and a "bad" Florida team hands a "better" LSU team their third L in a row. 

I wish Herbstreit, fans, and observers would hush about LSU's lack of talent.  That's part of the problem, but it's not the biggest one.  This is a very poorly coached team, who exhibit the same mistakes week to week, year to year.  Most of their problem is guys don't know where they're supposed to be, or when, or what to do when they get there.  It's abysmal.  Kelly is not worth his hype, whether he was overrated all along or is just a poor fit in BR, I don't know.  But I'll reiterate, he'll be the first coach in the last 4 not to win a NC, or even threaten for one. 

As far as talent, our fans like to talk about how decimated Orgeron left the team.  Okay.....fair enough, but that was three years ago.  This is year 3, in an era where you can instantly fill up your roster by going shopping at Portal-Mart.  Which Kelly did, in year 1.  We didn't lack scholarship players two years ago, and we don't lack them now.  It's possible the guy just can't recruit here either.

Nothing to do but hunker down and be glad I care about this sport a lot less than I used to.  Methinks the Suck of Mediocrity has moved from Austin and is going to set up camp in BR for the next several years.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 10, 2024, 05:52:24 PM
My own view. A&M is just not that good this year. We got lucky, with a bad Florida team, average LSU, and typical MSU and Arkansas teams. We were not impressive against any of these teams. LSU was well on their way to outplaying us, until we figured out that they couldn’t figure out a running QB. An avg Bama team mauled them in BR. We lost badly to a pedestrian USC.  

Now we close the season with a struggling Auburn, and Texas at home. I think the outcome of the Texas game will determine who plays in the SEC CG.  I don’t think we have any shot at winning, even at Kyle. 

If by some miracle we beat Texas, we’re going to get smoked in the SEC CG. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 10, 2024, 05:54:41 PM
It will be really laughable if a 2 loss Bama team goes on to win either the CCG or the NC. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2024, 07:01:23 PM
In that case all this expanded playoff nonsense would be much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2024, 07:49:46 AM
It will be really laughable if a 2 loss Bama team goes on to win either the CCG or the NC.
It's a matter of time until that happesns of course. if not Bama, somebody.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 11, 2024, 09:06:15 AM
It's laughable because you guys have been warning about "the rich getting richer" due to the expanded playoff ever since they started discussing it.  Usually, a 2 loss team would never get consideration, and now it's looking likely that they could even get into the playoff and win the damn thing.  

On the other hand, it's also entirely possible that somebody like BYU wins the whole thing, so we'll see.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 11, 2024, 09:49:30 AM
The Ags hung in there against some of Texas' world-beater teams in the past - including VY and Colt led teams. They play their best against Texas at Kyle, so nothing's guaranteed.

Yes, sometimes the Texas OL has a brain cramp. More recently, though, is we get last season's Quinn who had to double check every read he made. He was almost always correct initially, but the extra time he took to verify it would ruin a play. It seems defensive coordinators noticed that, and started throwing naked blitzes at him. Those blitzes would leave hot receivers running free for almost certain TDs if they got the ball. The DCs were counting on Quinn to take that extra second to "be sure", and thus self-sack. UGA did it over and over again (in addition to having a defense capable of overwhelming the OL by itself).

Sark's plays pull the defense apart. It frustrates me when fans complain about "run the ball" and such, because each formation has a run and a pass built in. The offense does what the defense is weak against. Currently, defenses are trying to stack against the run, so there's lots of passing. Hopefully, after Saturday, DCs will start to respect Quinn again and vary their alignments.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 11, 2024, 09:56:30 AM
SEC weekend in review, specifically with pictures from coverage by mainstream publications:

(https://i.imgur.com/aVEUcjx.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/dldBzwr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZpaqrXe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MR3CNYl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZVaPq1m.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MbQaJNc.png)

Now if Governor Landry could invest that much time into looking into why Scott Woodturd's office GUARANTEED all of Brian Kelly's $100M contract.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 11, 2024, 10:56:51 AM
The Ags hung in there against some of Texas' world-beater teams in the past - including VY and Colt led teams. They play their best against Texas at Kyle, so nothing's guaranteed.

Yes, sometimes the Texas OL has a brain cramp. More recently, though, is we get last season's Quinn who had to double check every read he made. He was almost always correct initially, but the extra time he took to verify it would ruin a play. It seems defensive coordinators noticed that, and started throwing naked blitzes at him. Those blitzes would leave hot receivers running free for almost certain TDs if they got the ball. The DCs were counting on Quinn to take that extra second to "be sure", and thus self-sack. UGA did it over and over again (in addition to having a defense capable of overwhelming the OL by itself).

Sark's plays pull the defense apart. It frustrates me when fans complain about "run the ball" and such, because each formation has a run and a pass built in. The offense does what the defense is weak against. Currently, defenses are trying to stack against the run, so there's lots of passing. Hopefully, after Saturday, DCs will start to respect Quinn again and vary their alignments.
Hung in there = loss.  I'm not expecting us to lose by a lot, but objectively looking at this Texas A&M team we're just not really that good, we just played a soft schedule with a couple of "name" schools that are down.  

It will be a good game, of course, something like 27-24, and will be contested right up until the last whistle.  What really sucks is that with 'Bama being down (if you count 2 losses as being down) and us avoiding playing them it was the perfect timing in the new SEC.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 11, 2024, 04:37:16 PM
SEC weekend in review, specifically with pictures from coverage by mainstream publications:

(https://i.imgur.com/aVEUcjx.png)


I'd like to know a little more about the blondes Beck was sitting next to.  Can't really blame him for smiling. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 11, 2024, 04:40:47 PM
What was lame is that wasn't even Mike the Tiger.  The veterinary school has a more final authority in his matters than the governor, it appears, and Mike still isn't allowed at games so the athletic department brought in a privately owned tiger to be on the sidelines.

For all we know, that imposter could've been rooting for Bama.  Can't have been good for the vibes.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 11, 2024, 05:23:48 PM
What was lame is that wasn't even Mike the Tiger.  The veterinary school has a more final authority in his matters than the governor, it appears, and Mike still isn't allowed at games so the athletic department brought in a privately owned tiger to be on the sidelines.

For all we know, that imposter could've been rooting for Bama.  Can't have been good for the vibes.

The way I understand it, Mike VI isn't ever forced into his travel pen. They connect it, open it, and if he doesn't go in, he stays home. I've been told this particular Mike just doesn't dig the travel arrangements, so he stays put. Good rule, as I see it. In a disagreement with a fully grown tiger, the human is always wrong.

Baylor is always whinging about not bringing the bears to their games any longer. Truth be told, they only ever brought bear cubs to the games. Once the bears got to be a certain size, they just sort of drove them north and kicked them out into the forest. Nowadays, they keep the mascot animals throughout their entire life, have a really nice certified habitat for them, but they're still bears. You can't pen them up on the sideline, and walking a full grown bear on a leash is, well, I've seen too much stupid lately to offer any sort of superlative comparisons.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2024, 07:50:18 PM
Probably easier to have a bulldog mascot.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 12, 2024, 12:16:20 PM
The way I understand it, Mike VI isn't ever forced into his travel pen. They connect it, open it, and if he doesn't go in, he stays home. I've been told this particular Mike just doesn't dig the travel arrangements, so he stays put. Good rule, as I see it. In a disagreement with a fully grown tiger, the human is always wrong.

No, that's the way it used to be for many, many years.  For the past several years (2015?), the rules permanently changed and do not allow him at games any longer.  There is no backing the truck up and seeing if he's up for it.  Which is a shame, because it was a really cool pre-game tradition.  Sort of like seeing if the groundhog looks at his shadow.  Is Mike feeling social and menacing toward opponents today?  Or is he napping and dreaming of eating PETA protestors?  Just had to wait and find out. 

Thus the reason an imposter from Florida was brought in...one Dr. Baker and the veterinary school do not control. 

When it comes to Mike, Dr. Baker has total say, and he gives zero f**ks.  And Baker decreed years ago there will be no more Mikes at games.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 12, 2024, 12:21:11 PM
Bengals have been extremely endangered for a while, and LSU is active in global efforts to preserve them.  In fact, the last few Mikes have not been true Bengals, rather a mix of Bengal and Siberian tiger, because a Bengal was not available.  I believe the rationale was games were an unnecessary stress for him and so they were axed.  Don't know if that had anything to do with preservation efforts.

Bayou Siberians doesn't have the same ring to it. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2024, 03:12:26 PM
Over on the Big 12 board, we once had a good conversation going about the restoration work on the museum battleship USS Texas.

I can't find that conversation over there, so I'll post this here.

Battleship Texas recently out of dry dock, may not be going to a new home in Galveston, as previously planned.

https://youtu.be/K3LEuDiLyuE (https://youtu.be/K3LEuDiLyuE)

But there's more news about that.

https://youtu.be/bBB4sKb9f-E (https://youtu.be/bBB4sKb9f-E)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2024, 10:56:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/78jIG8S.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 15, 2024, 11:25:12 AM
Yeah the foodie snobs in Dallas and Houston are angry about that.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 15, 2024, 12:55:11 PM
Keep Austin Tasty
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2024, 02:02:27 PM
If anybody wants a pretty good bet, take Tennessee and the points (10!!!!!!!).
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 15, 2024, 02:41:03 PM
I'll bet you a coke Georgia wins!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2024, 10:05:46 AM
SEC tiebreaker scenarios after Georgia tops Tennessee: Texas, Alabama in good shape (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/sec-tiebreaker-scenarios-after-georgias-win-over-tennessee-texas-alabama-in-good-shape-239915275/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2p_7llKqacL_jus8XfZ2MnBo7kqRO739R0nGIULX_J6x1JqA2-D2nrDMA_aem_rvhkVH2bjshMHINIi_x2_w)

The most likely scenario is the SEC standings ending with five teams tied for second-place with two conference losses. Here's what happens if that scenario comes to fruition over the next couple of weekends:

Texas Longhorns (9-1, 5-1) — Steve Sarkisian's team goes to the SEC Championship if they beat Kentucky and Texas A&M to finish 7-1 in conference play. The lone loss came to Georgia.

Texas A&M Aggies (8-2, 5-1) — The Aggies recovered since their 24-point setback at South Carolina and are wins over Auburn and Texas away from punching their first ticket to the SEC Championship. Of the six SEC teams in playoff contention, Texas A&M's situation would be the most sticky if the Aggies lose one of their next two games.

Georgia Bulldogs (8-2, 6-2) — The Bulldogs beat Texas and Tennessee, but lost to Ole Miss and Alabama. No team faced a tougher schedule than the Bulldogs.

Tennessee Volunteers (8-2, 5-2) — Tennessee could made things much easier on the SEC office had the Vols beat Georgia. Instead, Tennessee hangs on to its win over Alabama as a statement victory that could be enough to push the Vols into the playoff. Atlanta, however, is unlikely.

Alabama Crimson Tide (8-2, 4-2) — Sifting through various SEC tiebreakers, Alabama's wins over Georgia and LSU means the Crimson Tide win most, but the loss at Tennessee does stand out. Like Georgia, Alabama has played an extremely competitive schedule. If Texas beats Texas A&M and it leaves five teams with two losses in conference play, the winning percentage of the Crimson Tide's common opponents with others in the mix should get Alabama to Atlanta.

Ole Miss Rebels (8-2, 4-2) — Losses to Kentucky and LSU means the Rebels don't hold any tiebreaker scenarios unless they were to finish in a single-team tie with Georgia after beating the Bulldogs head to head this month. Ole Miss is likely a playoff team at 10-2, but getting to Atlanta is too far in the weeds.





Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2024, 05:43:15 PM
Finally got to a new Mexican place that opened near us, it was fun.  Sat at the bar that opens up to the outside.

Emilio's Tacos and Tequila (https://www.emiliostacosandtequila.com/)

(https://i.imgur.com/KFd0LCG.png)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2024, 07:21:30 PM
Florida has a great shot to break the skid against LSU next weekend.  This LSU team is getting worse throughout the season, and Florida, although playing an entire second string offense, has gotten better.  I think they've each sailed far enough in their respective directions that the ships may be ready to pass in the night, and a "bad" Florida team hands a "better" LSU team their third L in a row. 

Sometimes I hate being right, but it really was predictable for any honest brokers paying close attention.

I've said either CBK was overrated or he just doesn't fit at LSU.  I read an article a few days ago that made some sense.  Basically, that most likely Kelly was finally promoted to his level of incompetence.  We all have a threshold, even in what we're good at, past which we will appear incompetent.  He probably could have done another 10 years at ND with 1or 2 losses a year, always in the conversation but maybe never win a NC and retired with an exceptional career record. But that was the rung where his talent maxed out.  Coming to the SEC was just one step too high and all the cracks and holes and weaknesses are showing now.

I think it's something along those lines.  A year or two ago I asked the Big Ten board why the narrative about what Kelly could do with more talent....if he weren't constrained by ND academic standards.  I looked at ND and LSU's previous 5 years recruiting and found ND actually recruited as well as us.  The talent gap, at a glance, was a myth.  I asked why anyone thought he'd be great (better) at LSU, given that.  Didn't really get much of an answer, but I think the truth is bearing out....he can't do better here.  He can't even do as well. 

Hope he proves me wrong. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2024, 07:34:18 PM
Truly, if I were Underwood, I'd go ahead and take Michigan's $10.5 mil and tell LSU peace out. 

I mean, I'd take the $ regardless, but whatevs.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2024, 10:39:33 AM
$10M in NIL is almost certainly complete bulljive.  

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 18, 2024, 10:51:24 AM
Here's what Finebaum had to say about CBK over the weekend: 

“There’s really no way to sugarcoat a 3-year experience that has not gone particularly well. I’m aware like you are what he did the first year. There’s almost nothing for Brian Kelly to say right now other than to salvage what looks like a really fantastic recruiting class and turn this thing around quickly. Because no one is going to be forgiving for a guy who earns $10 million a year, who has the highest paid assistant coaching staff in the country, who has 4 losses but quite frankly probably should have 6.”

My thoughts exactly. And the heat should be turned up on Scott Woodward as well. If Kelly is shown the door, so should Woodward.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2024, 11:22:00 AM
Georgia's commits react to elite Sanford Stadium environment vs. Tennesssee (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/longformarticle/georgias-commits-react-to-elite-sanford-stadium-environment-vs-tennesssee-239967210/#2544108)

Sanford has been not known for a major HFA in the past, but they seem to be generating some now in big games.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 18, 2024, 01:37:10 PM
Here's what Finebaum had to say about CBK over the weekend:

“There’s really no way to sugarcoat a 3-year experience that has not gone particularly well. I’m aware like you are what he did the first year. There’s almost nothing for Brian Kelly to say right now other than to salvage what looks like a really fantastic recruiting class and turn this thing around quickly. Because no one is going to be forgiving for a guy who earns $10 million a year, who has the highest paid assistant coaching staff in the country, who has 4 losses but quite frankly probably should have 6.”

My thoughts exactly. And the heat should be turned up on Scott Woodward as well. If Kelly is shown the door, so should Woodward.
Scott Woodward and Brian Kelly....laughing all the way to the bank, where Jimbo Fisher is waiting with the door held open.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 18, 2024, 02:05:25 PM
$10M in NIL is almost certainly complete bulljive. 

If the internet reports it, it has to be true. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2024, 03:20:34 PM
If anybody wants a pretty good bet, take Tennessee and the points (10!!!!!!!).
Oops. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 19, 2024, 03:38:00 PM
Scott Woodward and Brian Kelly....laughing all the way to the bank, where Jimbo Fisher is waiting with the door held open. 

For the record, I'm not advocating that Kelly be fired.  Not necessarily.  (I'm talking, of course, as if LSU could wave their hand and buy him out as if they were Texa$.)  It's one thing to say "this is not the guy."  It's another thing to get rid of him, because you'd better have someone you think is better in that case, or the whole thing is just another step in the wrong direction.  Sticking with the wrong 7-8 win guy is better than firing him and getting the next 6 win guy.  

I'm not sure who's out there I'd trust to be 1) elite, and 2) a good fit in BR.  Head coaches don't always translate to other places, and coordinators are kind of a roll of the dice.  You could get a really good Bama DC named Kirby Smart, and he might make your team awesome.  Or you might get an even better Bama DC named Jeremy Pruitt, and he might be meh.  And possibly get himself show-caused.  Just never know with the ol' carousel.  

Hypothetically, I mean.  As I say, it's just a philosophical clarification on my part......LSU can't afford to get rid of Kelly.  

And my hope is that the ECFGs will punish the hubris of my adamant declarations that Kelly is a definite failure and make us three-peat for the first time in cfb history.  That's probably not how the ECFGs work, but you never know.  

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 19, 2024, 04:09:53 PM
I have been ... surprised ... to see Kelly reacting against players on the sidelines.  Maybe the media make too much of it.  And yes, other coaches will "get in your grill".

My HS baseball coach was like that, and it doesn't work AT ALL in baseball.  He was a nasty piece of work, I'm a bit disappointed I didn't walk off the team.  That would have caused a stir, but as it was, he was fired after that year.

He doesn't seem like a fit at LSU, to me, but I agree, firing him is risky and expensive.  You better have your money in hand and your order in mind.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 19, 2024, 04:41:47 PM
Fans forget that the HC still has a family and staff that rely on him. Sure, he get paid a lotta cash, but ultimately even the most wealthy schools will find their phone calls not being returned. No one wants to uproot their fortunes and tie them to a place that cuts you loose in less than 5 years.
Texas had to make the Sark hire count. No one was gonna take them seriously if they moved on from him quickly.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 19, 2024, 04:48:09 PM
I have been ... surprised ... to see Kelly reacting against players on the sidelines.  Maybe the media make too much of it.  And yes, other coaches will "get in your grill".

As I recall, he was always like that at Notre Dame too.  When LSU hired him, I said something on here to the effect of "Saban is now the second angriest guy in the SEC."  

I was actually surprised at how little he reacted on the sidelines in his first two years here compared to the years of ND games I watched when he was coaching.  As for this year, that's happened more than just this past game.  He's been chewing guys out all year on camera.  I guess losing a star QB who hides a multitude of problems will do that to you.  

I do think this was the only time the camera caught a player yelling at Kelly on the sidelines.  Not a good overall look in that game, not to mention the 3 game losing streak.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
Maybe the camera just found him at a bad time, when this might be fairly common in the sport.

I don't think a coach should chew out a kicker for a missed kick.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 20, 2024, 01:33:33 PM
Can't remember if it was the A&M or the Alabama game....we missed 3 fg's, and Kelly chewed out the kicker, long snapper, and holder pretty good.  Granted, it was a comedy of errors and not mere missed kicks, but it's not like they looked any less prepared than the offense or defense.  Don't chew the kids out when they appear to be poorly prepared.  That's on you, coach. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 20, 2024, 01:39:38 PM
Results probably matter.  When Saban or Smart chew out players we probably overlook it more, including the players, because the coach is bringing them somewhere they want to be.  And with guys like them it happens whether they're down by 10 or winning by 40.  

When a coach hasn't proved he can field and lead a complete team, and he only chews guys out when they're losing,.....yeah, I ain't a fan.  And I tend to think it's a sign he knows, even if subconsciously, it's not going well and he doesn't know what to do to fix it.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on November 20, 2024, 01:40:59 PM
Results probably matter.  When Saban or Smart chew out players we probably overlook it more, including the players, because the coach is bringing them somewhere they want to be.  And with guys like them it happens whether they're down by 10 or winning by 40. 

When a coach hasn't proved he can field and lead a complete team, and he only chews guys out when they're losing,.....yeah, I ain't a fan.  And I tend to think it's a sign he knows, even if subconsciously, it's not going well and he doesn't know what to do to fix it. 

Nobody chewed ass like Will Muschamp.  LOL
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 20, 2024, 01:45:14 PM
I never got to watch him a ton as a HC but he sure could chew guys out as a DC.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 21, 2024, 11:53:38 AM
Truly, if I were Underwood, I'd go ahead and take Michigan's $10.5 mil and tell LSU peace out.

I mean, I'd take the $ regardless, but whatevs.

The two reasons consistently brought up for why LSU has yet to fire Brian Kelly is 1) Bryce Underwood and 2) his astronomical buyout.

From a CBS Sports article titled Can Bryce Underwood save LSU's Brian Kelly (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/can-bryce-underwood-save-lsus-brian-kelly-critical-few-weeks-will-decide-kellys-future-in-baton-rouge/")?
“There were always questions about how Kelly would fit in at LSU. Scott Woodward, the school's athletic director, was intent on money-whipping a big name into saying yes after Ed Orgeron's tenure crashed and burned. Woodward repeatedly went hard after Jimbo Fisher, the same man he gave one of the worst contracts in college sports history while serving as Texas A&M's AD. When he couldn't convince Fisher to leave College Station, he eventually wooed Kelly away from South Bend with a massive 10-year, $95 million contract. That decision feels increasingly onerous for a skidding LSU program that would have to pay Kelly more than $60 million to move on from him after this season.”

Re: Woodward, he is to blame for causing a mess LSU can’t get out of. If Kelly is fired, Woodward should unceremoniously go as well. Woodward is only in the game to give himself a pat on the back, and he does so by bestowing bloated contracts to underserving hotheads.

A lot can be said about incompetence capsizing an organization. And with Woodward and Kelly we’re seeing how incompetence can be compounded by a superior’s incompetence being so bad it enables the incompetence of others. Woodward’s incompetence has trapped LSU to Brian Kelly’s incompetence.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 21, 2024, 01:32:39 PM
I don't think anybody at LSU is even thinking about getting rid of Kelly.  Not even if they close the season with losses to Vandy and OU for a total of 5 straight.  And that's disregarding the buyout. 

Seems like they are happy to keep him at least one more season no matter what.  If he under-delivers next year, the seat could get warm.  Still not sure he'd be fired.  There seems to be a lot of belief in him regardless of the results on the field. I don't hear any chatter that donors are in a hurry to move on.  

But what do I know.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2024, 01:48:13 PM
I'd bet SOME people at LSU are thinking about it.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 22, 2024, 12:09:54 PM
Anecdotally, there seemed to be some fan apathy about Kelly's performance as well.  Now that Underwood decommitted and committed to Michigan, some of the fans appear to show signs of getting restless. 

For that kind of thing, fans don't amount to much, imo.  It's all about the AD, the big donors, and the bottom line. 

I couldn't tell you what they're thinking. 

If LSU loses to Vanderbilt for the first time since 1990, it will mark their first 4-game losing streak since 1999, Gerry DiNardo's last year. 

Is it sick if I kinda want to see it happen?  Some twisted part of me wants to see how bad it can get, and we're on such a roll since 2020.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2024, 12:30:01 PM
I don't think anybody at LSU is even thinking about getting rid of Kelly.  Not even if they close the season with losses to Vandy and OU for a total of 5 straight.  And that's disregarding the buyout.
Now that Underwood decommitted and committed to Michigan, some of the fans appear to show signs of getting restless.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 22, 2024, 02:19:22 PM
Okay, you stumped me.  You quoted me twice with no follow-up and I'm not sure what you're saying.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2024, 02:45:23 PM
I probably stumped me as well.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on November 24, 2024, 10:51:37 AM
SEC tiebreaker scenarios after Georgia tops Tennessee: Texas, Alabama in good shape (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/article/sec-tiebreaker-scenarios-after-georgias-win-over-tennessee-texas-alabama-in-good-shape-239915275/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2p_7llKqacL_jus8XfZ2MnBo7kqRO739R0nGIULX_J6x1JqA2-D2nrDMA_aem_rvhkVH2bjshMHINIi_x2_w)

The most likely scenario is the SEC standings ending with five teams tied for second-place with two conference losses. Here's what happens if that scenario comes to fruition over the next couple of weekends:

Texas Longhorns (9-1, 5-1) — Steve Sarkisian's team goes to the SEC Championship if they beat Kentucky and Texas A&M to finish 7-1 in conference play. The lone loss came to Georgia.

Texas A&M Aggies (8-2, 5-1) — The Aggies recovered since their 24-point setback at South Carolina and are wins over Auburn and Texas away from punching their first ticket to the SEC Championship. Of the six SEC teams in playoff contention, Texas A&M's situation would be the most sticky if the Aggies lose one of their next two games.

Georgia Bulldogs (8-2, 6-2) — The Bulldogs beat Texas and Tennessee, but lost to Ole Miss and Alabama. No team faced a tougher schedule than the Bulldogs.

Tennessee Volunteers (8-2, 5-2) — Tennessee could made things much easier on the SEC office had the Vols beat Georgia. Instead, Tennessee hangs on to its win over Alabama as a statement victory that could be enough to push the Vols into the playoff. Atlanta, however, is unlikely.

Alabama Crimson Tide (8-2, 4-2) — Sifting through various SEC tiebreakers, Alabama's wins over Georgia and LSU means the Crimson Tide win most, but the loss at Tennessee does stand out. Like Georgia, Alabama has played an extremely competitive schedule. If Texas beats Texas A&M and it leaves five teams with two losses in conference play, the winning percentage of the Crimson Tide's common opponents with others in the mix should get Alabama to Atlanta.

Ole Miss Rebels (8-2, 4-2) — Losses to Kentucky and LSU means the Rebels don't hold any tiebreaker scenarios unless they were to finish in a single-team tie with Georgia after beating the Bulldogs head to head this month. Ole Miss is likely a playoff team at 10-2, but getting to Atlanta is too far in the weeds.
That didn't age very well. Some upsets yesterday.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on November 24, 2024, 11:03:21 AM
. . . I've said either CBK was overrated or he just doesn't fit at LSU.  I read an article a few days ago that made some sense.  Basically, that most likely Kelly was finally promoted to his level of incompetence.  We all have a threshold, even in what we're good at, past which we will appear incompetent.  He probably could have done another 10 years at ND with 1or 2 losses a year, always in the conversation but maybe never win a NC and retired with an exceptional career record. But that was the rung where his talent maxed out.  Coming to the SEC was just one step too high and all the cracks and holes and weaknesses are showing now. . . .
I thought when he was hired that he was not a good fit. Right off the bat he tried to do a Cajun accent. It was laughable.
But the Peter Principle--everyone rises to his level of incompetence--may be the correct explanation.
I have thought that the Peter Principle explained Brent Venables' lack of success at OU. The Sooners seemed to have found every way to lose winnable games this year. Then, after dropping a flea-flicker would-be TD pass and missing a FG early on, they dominate #7 Alabama.
So now I am at a loss to explain what has happened this year.
I don't know what sort of team will show up in Baton Rouge next week.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2024, 11:25:52 AM
I have no clue which Dawg team shows up Saturdays either.  They may well lose to Tech on Friday (!!!!!) and then beat Texas again.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 24, 2024, 12:12:50 PM
Losing to this Auburn team was a serious punch in the gut. It didn’t help that we spotted them a 3 TD lead to start the game. Defense really let us down. 

I have zero expectations that we will win the Lonestar Showdown next week. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2024, 12:22:00 PM
I think it's going to be a really REALLY hard-fought game, and it'll be close.  The ags are a different team at home.  Nobody I know on the UT side is expecting anything other than a war.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2024, 12:31:10 PM
A&M does look sketchy on the road.  Their road wins this season are at Florida, before they got it together, and at Miss State.

Their road losses are at USCe and Auburn.  They of course have the home loss to ND which looks good for ND.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on November 24, 2024, 12:56:36 PM
Our primary problem, in my opinion, is that our defense plays terrible in the 1st and 2nd quarter. We spotted Auburn 21 points, including letting them score on their first two drives. Offense played well enough to win. Plus, we had them on the ropes with 2 minutes left, but defense couldn’t stop them. And lets be real, this is not a good Auburn. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2024, 01:20:36 PM
A&M should have played Tennessee, they can't seem to score in the first half.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 24, 2024, 01:30:45 PM
Shout out to Florida and Billy Napier for finally finding traction in year three of what has been a highly criticized and middling coaching tenure. Two straight wins, first over LSU and yesterday over Ole Miss, and suddenly Florida's 6-5 record looks much better. Beat a 2-9 Florida State next Saturday, win the bowl, and it'll be smooth sailing into the offseason with a lot of talent returning next year and hopefully the schedule lightening up a bit. Keep in mind, between ugly starts to the season by both Florida and FSU, Napier was under more fire than Norvell. It says a lot that Florida coaching staff can get the season back on the tracks. Good job to the Gators for pulling through.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2024, 02:31:58 PM
I noticed Florida in the LSU game, they were playing aggressively, they had not quit.  I viewed that as a real positive considering.  I thought keeping Napier was a good decision on that basis.  I think next year Florida will be quite dangerous.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 24, 2024, 02:46:27 PM
What the last few strings of posts have described is the late season scramble...

Teams that are a lot better than they have played let it all out- play it to the bone... while other teams are playing not to lose... or, most likely, there is a variant of the above with one not exactly desperate and the other not exactly confident...

OU played it to the bone from start to finish.
Florida played it the same.
Auburn hung their hat on that one game, last night, to retain their man cards.
LSU, without the media hype, is not different than arky- dangerous but hapless more than not.
Tennessee needed style points and got them, though that wee UTEP team dusted off and emptied the trick play bucket making it interesting to watch even though it wasn't a competition.
USCe is a spooky outfit..

Texas is a tall order for anyone right now... it reminds me of that old quote about Marines: 
"Marines(Texas) believes they are the finest fighting force on the planet and to the point of arrogance, and the humorous thing about it is they're right."
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 24, 2024, 05:21:11 PM
I don't know what sort of team will show up in Baton Rouge next week.

I've only watched OU a couple times this season, but they are more than good enough on the lines to beat LSU if they play with intensity.  The two words that come to mind when describing this Tiger team are "soft" and "hapless."  

Vanderbilt didn't have the talent to take advantage.  OU has more than enough on DL to stop LSU's pathetic run-push from generating much, and if you can achieve that, they're easily forced into passing almost every down and you can just tee off and crush the QB.  If your QB can run, you have a great shot to sustain drives and get big chunks that way.  If he can find a wide open guy on a bust, there will be a couple chances for that.  

I don't have a prediction for the game.  OU has had some bad stretches and LSU has more talent than the fans want to admit.  OU also just showed they can play with 2.5x more intensity than our team has shown at any point in the season, and when they get punched in the mouth....it's not that they fold....they're not quitters....they're just soft and hapless.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on November 24, 2024, 09:36:33 PM
I don't have a prediction for the game.  OU has had some bad stretches and LSU has more talent than the fans want to admit.  OU also just showed they can play with 2.5x more intensity than our team has shown at any point in the season, and when they get punched in the mouth....it's not that they fold....they're not quitters....they're just soft and hapless. 
That's not the worst trait that a team can have, but it's a disappointing one. You're always waiting for something to go wrong.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2024, 09:20:11 AM
Mizzou head coach not too happy with MSU players jawing

https://twitter.com/FDSportsbook/status/1860500776348496092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1860500776348496092%7Ctwgr%5E9fd8a9abf646b9cd58ff3b65d367952905d0f498%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFDSportsbook%2Fstatus%2F1860500776348496092%3Fref_src%3Dtwsrc255Etfw257Ctwcamp255Etweetembed257Ctwterm255E1860500776348496092257Ctwgr255Eba2646341738323d74d94eab22aa612a6e91cee9257Ctwcon255Es1_26ref_url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ffootballscoop.com%2Fnews%2Fmissouri-coach-eli-drinkwitz-delivers-cold-message-to-sec-foe-mississippi-state

https://footballscoop.com/news/missouri-coach-eli-drinkwitz-delivers-cold-message-to-sec-foe-mississippi-state
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 25, 2024, 10:01:03 AM
That's not the worst trait that a team can have, but it's a disappointing one. You're always waiting for something to go wrong.
We never have to wait long, in our case.  

Be on the lookout for LSU to put an early good drive together and get down near the goal and get stopped on 3rd and short.  When it's 4th and short, particularly near the goal line, Kelly has consistently gone for it and consistently gotten stopped, gaining no points from a good drive.  He never learns.  They couldn't do it in 2022, Jayden Daniels hid the problem in 2023, they couldn't do it in the opener against USC, they couldn't do it against {insert name of opponent, reiterate throughout season-schedule}, and they couldn't do it against Vanderbilt.  He.  Never.  Learns.  This team can't run the ball. 

It's so common I call it before the sequence happens to my wife and she thinks I'm clairvoyant.  I'm like no, I've just been watching this for three years. 

LSU so desperately wants to run the ball and be good at it.  It's in the program's DNA.  But they haven't been great at it since Miles was run off, and they've outright bad at it in Kelly's time.  If/when there's a 4th and short near the goal (or worse, mid-field, as Kelly is sometimes want to do, to the team's great detriment), if the pattern holds, he'll go for it, wanting to make a statement that dammit, there's improvement, and OU will push our $h!t in at the line and stuff us.  I just hope the crowd shows up like they did for Alabama, and not the checked-out, uninterested, half-full stadium that showed up for Vanderbilt.  I believe our only shot is if OU gets rattled.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2024, 10:13:01 AM
Tech plays UGA Friday night, which seems odd to me.  I don't recall that happening before, Thursdays yes, not Friday.

The game next year will be played in the MB Dome, not at Tech.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 25, 2024, 12:11:12 PM
So, how 'bout Florida?  I thought Napier didn't cut it for Florida standards the first two seasons, and this year wasn't looking good, but they appear to be on an upswing.  They still lack some players, but that Lagway qb looks like he's going to be really something, and the team overall appears well-coached at the moment.  Not sure where their overall talent level is, but with obvious improvements and the AD firmly standing behind Napier so far, they stand to take a big leap forward next year. 

Wonder what the qb situation will be.  I haven't watched Mertz a ton, but even when he heals up, I think Lagway is the guy.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2024, 12:40:48 PM
I think Napier and Lagway are "The Guys" for next season.  I wish they had canned Napier back when.  But I noted before I appreciated how Florida had been playing of late.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 01, 2024, 02:59:38 PM
According to one website--no idea if it's accurate or not because I care not a bit for figuring out CCG participants anymore--a lot of LSU fans are left wondering what might have been had played better two weeks ago in Gainseville, as a win against a beatable Florida would have created a three-way tie with Georgia and Tennessee for second place behind Texas, and by tie-breaker rules, LSU would have earned a spot in the CG to face Texas. 

Well, what might have been, is that Texas would've made Texas fans face-palm a number of times and wonder why LSU was still hanging around despite being pile-driven in most meaningful respects.  And LSU fans would've been harshly reminded they are not close to the realm of top teams. 

Still, it's good for a program to make games like those, and I hope Brian Kelly has heartburn, anxiety, and regret over his choices in life.  We didn't belong on the field with UGA in 2022 either, but it was good for the team.  I suspect that might be the last Kelly sniffs of Atlanta.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 01, 2024, 09:54:55 PM
Lot of Aggie fans are putting up about how this season was ok due to first year coach etc. Not necessarily disagree, 8-4 with key wins against tough competition ( LSU, Mizzou, Florida) and close losses against what has turned out to be a very good USC team is nothing to be ashamed of. 

But making 8-4 or better next season will be tougher. We play @ND, Mizzou, and UTexas, LSU. For those keeping score, we haven’t won in BR in league play yet. 

We do get Auburn and USC at home. 

Almost forgot, no more Jerryworld for Arkansas. We travel to Fayetteville next year. They may be breaking in a new coach as well. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 02, 2024, 01:14:03 PM
I guess here is as good a place as any to mention how funny I found it to watch the Michigan players on the sideline after The Game wincing and grimacing as if crying, as I later found out they had been maced.  Rivalry weekend brought out the feels in a number of games I saw.  Plenty of fisticuffs over the weekend.  Michigan/OSU took the cake, though.  Not saying OSU should have responded, but trying to plant your flag on an opposing team's field is a dick move and if you get smacked for it, that's on you. 

I'm sure the schools get fined for all that, but really the school is barely liable or culpable for the idiocy of teenage imbeciles.  My first reaction is that in cases like that, if we're going to have NIL deals, in some cases massive sums of $, then the kids ought to be fined.  They wanna turn this into the NFL where it's pay-for-play?  Fine, your pay gets docked for dumb actions, just like NFL players.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 02, 2024, 05:45:30 PM
I don't agree with everything here, but some of it I do, and it's an overall perspective that describes and explains my ever-waning interest in cfb.  I'd point out that a lot of what he covers here, @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) , @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) and some others here said would happen as far back as when I joined this board in 2006.  I've now lived long enough for most of this to come to fruition, and the one thing this guy says that hasn't happened yet which will inevitably happen, the guys here saw that coming years ago as well. 



I have zero hope for his solution.  Not just his particular solution, which I wouldn't mind, I guess.  But any solution.  I have zero faith any of the major players have any kind of foresight or sense to see what they're doing to the sport. 



Anyway, I found it to be an interesting take, so I thought I'd share. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJlEId04oA
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 03, 2024, 12:40:09 AM
I watched that a couple of days ago, it's good stuff.

The biggest thing to me is how short-sighted and predictable the efforts of the elite programs/Big 2 conferences are.  Yes, you have every possible built-in advantage, so your race to the top is a foregone conclusion.  Yes, SEC, you're going to "win" the contest vs the ACC or XII.  Duh.  No shit, Sherlock.
Yes, OSU and USC and Texas and Michigan, you're going to "win" the contest vs the Minnesotas and Virginias and Stanfords of the world.  Duh.  No shit, Sherlock.

And yet the B1G/SEC and top programs are all frothing at the mouth, giving 110% in a competition they can't possibly lose.  They're greyhounds chasing the mechanical rabbit, but racing against bulldogs.  It's embarrassing, really.

For the haves to act so oblivious and not take into account the health of the sport as a whole is just plain stupid.  Aren't these supposed to be places of higher learning?  Tact?  Nuance?  Wisdom?  
Nope, just dogs scarfing down as much food as possible before being caught.  

Asinine.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 03, 2024, 01:57:57 PM
Aren't these supposed to be places of higher learning?  Tact?  Nuance?  Wisdom? 
Nope, just dogs scarfing down as much food as possible before being caught. 

One thing I knew but am only just now starting to get my head around the reality of, is just how divorced athletic departments are from the rest of the school.  I've recently been working for a university in operations, and I'm only just now getting the scope of what it means that the sports-ball teams and the academic institution are two different entities.  That probably doesn't explain everything, but it probably explains some of how schools may actually be places of higher learning and wisdom, and the football programs behave like fat rich kids who think they're starving.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 04, 2024, 11:03:25 AM
At this point, who does Brian Kelly think he’s fooling?

“Following a convincing and, yes, impressive, 37-17 win over Oklahoma Saturday night, LSU coach Brian Kelly channeled his inner Deion Sanders…Never mind Oklahoma just finished 6-6.”

“The last two weeks, they listened to the narratives out there that, ‘They were not excited to play,’ and ‘The season was over,’ and they simply went out and played inspired football…So, whatever camp you want to jump into, go right ahead. We had five freshmen and two sophomores on defense today playing their tails off. So, you know, again, we’re taking receipts, and, you know, we’ll see you at the National Championship.”


A National Championship? Who does BK think he’s fooling? Yes, LSU has won two straight over 6-6 teams, but does that balance out earlier disappoints of losing to USC or losing three straight after climbing to a #8 ranking? Does it inspire National Title hopes?

In reality, next season is increasingly murkier after #1 recruit Bryce Underwood flipped to Michigan (followed by one or two other big decommits), and with no reason to believe the OL or RBs will be any better next year, does QB Nussmeier bother sticking around?

Already looking forward to BK’s postgame presser after next season’s opener Vs Clemson.

https://twitter.com/TigerRagMedia/status/1863128602180567316
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 04, 2024, 12:04:53 PM
Nuss will probably be back.  He talks as though he's leaning that way, and I think the sub-par interior of the OL really hampered the talk people had about him being a high draft choice.  All QBs suffer from bad OLs, but what it showed was, for all his positives, he doesn't play like a good QB with a bad OL when his OL is bad.  He plays like a back-pedaling twit who throws off his back foot for disaster, or runs away for huge sacks, when in either case, a small sack would've been much more preferable. 

The OL is a mystery.  The interior could hardly be worse than it was this year, you'd think.  But the center will probably be back and he's the main culprit.  The guards are so-so....they could feasibly improve.  The tackles will be worse, hands down.  RT still has to declare, but he's been brilliant in his 3 years, and the LT has declared already.  They are the only OT tandem in cfb I ever saw who started from day 1 as true freshmen.  A rarity that a true fr. OT starts that early, unheard of that two of them do, and unbelievable how good they immediately were except for that we all saw it.  The LT has a total of 2 sacks allowed in 3 years.  RT doesn't have much more than that.  LSU is not going to get better there next year. 

The RBs are fine.  They just need a line that can run-block. 

But yes, we're all looking forward to Kelly's next Presser Cope after LSU bumbles away another winnable opener.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 05, 2024, 04:57:02 PM
Well, how did your recruiting go? 

We lost our prized QB to Michigan, Louisiana's top player to USC, and a prized CB to Texas, all of whom paid them more than our NIL collective would (or could). 

We finished 8th in recruiting according to the 247 composite, which is good, but there are 4 SEC teams who did better, which is bad. 

Even this is all dust in the wind, because half these kids won't be here in a year anyway.  They'll portal out, others will portal in, and I'll have no idea who this roster is when 2025 starts, or 2026. 

By habit I want LSU to be competitive and have a shot any given year.  By virtue of everything that once made me love the sport, I recognize this is some kind of bizarre professional league wearing the decaying skin-suit of cfb.  It's not even the NFL, it's the MLB, where Texas is the Yankees and my team is the Cincinnati Reds. 

Due to school history, history with other teams, and pure profitability of the Athletic Department, I think it's unlikely my team will be left behind in the Conference Realignment Wars, as has happened to some schools by this point.  It also means, I think, that my team will not be where they frequently stand a chance.  If we were left behind, we'd probably do well in the Big 12 for a while, or something.  In the age of MegaCon the All-Consuming, we're probably going to be also-rans. 

Is it better to serve in heaven or reign in hell? 

I'm liking this sport less and less.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 05, 2024, 05:14:47 PM
Texas did very well. I'd like a couple more big bodies for the OL and DL, but I always do.
From what's been explained to me, at "our" level (that's the Texas and LSU and Alabama and Georgia type levels), straight NIL payments aren't as big of a deal as one might think. That is, they have to be there, and they need to be adequately on par with one another. However, Texas isn't going to money-whip a player into coming. If the kid isn't inherently considering Texas as a destination, then the staff isn't going to be interested in having him. Most prospects whose uncles or such threaten to decommit if the NIL offer isn't raised will be encouraged to take the higher offer.
There are some kids worth winning a bidding war for, but they're ultra-rare. Even those kids have to have shown some intrinsic desire to play for the Longhorns. This isn't some noble, high-brow ideal. It's a simple recognition of the fact that football is a tough game. If they're only wanting the NIL, they're not going to be a good teammate.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 05, 2024, 05:23:33 PM
There are plenty of kids who would be happy to be at Texas or LSU.  That makes $ a deciding factor.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 05, 2024, 07:27:31 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure how recruiting rankings matter anymore.  There needs to be a study of what % of those 4 and 5* kids stay at their initial school.  My guess is it's under 50%, maybe around 30 or so.  
Thought I have to say, Napier seemed to be like a Robin Hood of flipping recruits from the rich to the needy (Florida) all over the place.  It's good news, but hard to tell what actual impact it will have.  

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 05, 2024, 09:15:19 PM
Texas did very well. I'd like a couple more big bodies for the OL and DL, but I always do.
From what's been explained to me, at "our" level (that's the Texas and LSU and Alabama and Georgia type levels), straight NIL payments aren't as big of a deal as one might think. That is, they have to be there, and they need to be adequately on par with one another. However, Texas isn't going to money-whip a player into coming. If the kid isn't inherently considering Texas as a destination, then the staff isn't going to be interested in having him. Most prospects whose uncles or such threaten to decommit if the NIL offer isn't raised will be encouraged to take the higher offer.
There are some kids worth winning a bidding war for, but they're ultra-rare. Even those kids have to have shown some intrinsic desire to play for the Longhorns. This isn't some noble, high-brow ideal. It's a simple recognition of the fact that football is a tough game. If they're only wanting the NIL, they're not going to be a good teammate.
This makes a lot of sense. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 05, 2024, 09:27:06 PM
I’m with you on this recruiting. Signing day means almost nothing. Most won’t play in year one. Many won’t stay for year two. Big boys will pluck star players from the mids. Players that didn’t pan out will go to the mids. 

In the last 20+ years A&M has almost never been below #10 in recruiting, often finishing in the top 5. In that same time span we’ve only finished top ten ranking twice.  We’ve finished out of the top 25 more than we’ve finished in it. A lot of that is because in that same time span we’ve played in the same division of some of the bluest of the blue blood programs, and faced many of what I call 21st century blue bloods like Florida and LSU. That doesn’t explain all of it though, with bad records against teams like Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Missouri, and Mississippi State. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 06, 2024, 01:19:47 AM
Florida had NCs in 96, 06, and 08...but we also then had the best recruiting class of all-time (recorded rankings, so maybe like only 20 years) at the end of Meyer's run (since exceeded by others, including A&M), yet that class stunk it up.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2024, 07:00:33 AM
UGA has done well with retention.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 06, 2024, 07:31:38 AM
Florida had NCs in 96, 06, and 08...but we also then had the best recruiting class of all-time (recorded rankings, so maybe like only 20 years) at the end of Meyer's run (since exceeded by others, including A&M), yet that class stunk it up.
That’s what’s good and bad about the portal. Our #1 recruiting class is vaporware. I have no idea how many are still here, but I’d wager less than 30%. Some of them were straight up thugs, a good amount never lived up to the hype. And obviously the man that recruited them is gone. I wish some reporter would do an article on where they are now. 

I like the way Elko recruits these guys, he cares a lot more about character than Fisher. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2024, 09:53:00 AM
Our high character guys got blown out by Alabama, and stunk it up against USC, USCe, A&M, and UF.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 06, 2024, 11:53:45 AM
Texas won the 2005 NC with a few high character guys and more than a couple gangstas.  I'm okay with that recipe for success.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2024, 12:37:24 PM
Well, I mean it helped that they had a generational-type QB.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2024, 12:41:34 PM
I feel like the phrase "generational talent" is misused.  Maybe we just mean "uncommonly spectacular." 

Was VY a "generational talent" when Tim Tebow was more or less of the same generation?  Was Joe Burrow a "generational talent" when another lsu qb matched his production 4 yrs. later?  i.e., is it right to describe Jayden as a generational talent when another guy did the same stuff 4 years earlier? 

In the latter's case, I feel like what I mean is "they nuked a ton of records and were capable of putting a team on their back."  Which is pretty much what I mean when I reference VY, Tebow, etc.  Colt McCoy may belong in that category as well.  

It seems that every few years guys like that come along, so I don't know that "generational" is the correct word. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 06, 2024, 01:15:10 PM
Are you arguing with yourself???  You're the one that used that term for Vince Young. :)

Vince Young is the best college football player I've ever watched play the game, but he clearly wasn't the ONLY great player in his "generation." 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2024, 01:51:30 PM
I think hyperbole often gets exaggerated.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2024, 03:43:00 PM
No, I'm not arguing with myself.  I used a phrase and then wondered out loud if the phrase is accurate while still being adequate.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 11, 2024, 02:54:20 PM
What kind of Christmas music do you find yourself listening to this time of year?  (If you listen to Christmas music.) 

I like a mix of older "classics" by folks like Bing Crosby and Sinatra, and newer stuff that features a fair bit of new originals. 

On the new stuff that would be considered outside of the "timeless standards," I find myself year after year gravitating to Michael McDonald's album "In The Spirit" and Bryan Duncan's "Christmas is Jesus" album.  Those just hit a lot of sweet spots for what kind of music I like. 

There are a lot of others, of course.  I notice that a lot of the stuff I have that falls outside the timeless standards have a definite jazz bent to them, if not outrightly in the jazz genre.  I don't know if that means I favor jazz or if Christmas music lends itself to jazzing up.  Outside of Christmas music, I don't listen to much jazz and don't overly care for it.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: jgvol on December 11, 2024, 03:27:23 PM
What kind of Christmas music do you find yourself listening to this time of year?  (If you listen to Christmas music.) 

I like a mix of older "classics" by folks like Bing Crosby and Sinatra, and newer stuff that features a fair bit of new originals. 

On the new stuff that would be considered outside of the "timeless standards," I find myself year after year gravitating to Michael McDonald's album "In The Spirit" and Bryan Duncan's "Christmas is Jesus" album.  Those just hit a lot of sweet spots for what kind of music I like. 

There are a lot of others, of course.  I notice that a lot of the stuff I have that falls outside the timeless standards have a definite jazz bent to them, if not outrightly in the jazz genre.  I don't know if that means I favor jazz or if Christmas music lends itself to jazzing up.  Outside of Christmas music, I don't listen to much jazz and don't overly care for it. 

Classics or nothing.


XM 71
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 11, 2024, 04:32:59 PM
Got lotsa genres depending on the mood:
The "Classics" with Bing, Brenda Lee, and (my favorite) The Ray Conniff Singers (vintage 60's style ultra-wide stereo separation)
The "Rat Pack" with Dean Martin, Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr, Elvis and such
Full-on orchestral hymn type stuff: John Rutter, Mormon Tabernacle Choir, King's Singers
Fun, Pop stuff like the 80's "Very Special Christmas" albums, "A Twisted Christmas" by Twisted Sister, Relient K's Christmas album

When I'm cooking, I'll blast Navidad cumbias and Norteño and the like. Annoys the wife because if she enters the kitchen, she's gonna dance with me whether she wants to or not.
Currently, I'm exploring the Caribbean (mostly T&T) Christmas style soca-parang. I love soca music anyway. Parang involves getting roving bands of musicians to crop up outside your house, caroling style, only it's usually late at night. They blast tunes until you wake up, come outside, and give them rum!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 12, 2024, 11:47:56 AM



Got lotsa genres depending on the mood:
Same here.
I'll listen to almost any style of Christmas music.  I tend toward the standards/classics with singers like Bing Crosby and Andy Williams.  I also like the crooners' versions of those, favorites are Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Tony Bennett, Bob Goulet, etc.  And of course the ladies like Eartha Kitt, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald.

I agree that Christmas music lends itself to jazz quite well, quite a few jazzy Christmas tunes I enjoy.

But I also like more recent modern stuff.  Pop and rock hits from the 80s like U2, George Michael, Bryan Adams.  And synth stuff from the 90s/2000s like Manneheim Steamroller.

And then full on orchestral music, most notably Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite, and Beethoven's 9th Symphony which is commonly associated with both Christmas and Easter due to the lyrics from Ode To Joy.  But plenty of others there as well.

Basically I like it all. 





Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 12, 2024, 01:08:25 PM
The Nutcracker!  I always forget about that and I so rarely hear anything from it on the radio, but it definitely should be considered a must-listen at Christmas. 

So now I think I'll go listen to it :)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 12, 2024, 01:33:46 PM
The Nutcracker!  I always forget about that and I so rarely hear anything from it on the radio, but it definitely should be considered a must-listen at Christmas. 

So now I think I'll go listen to it :)

You can combine your affinity for Christmas jazz music at the same time, check out Duke Ellington's version of Nutrcacker Suite.  It's pretty great.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 12, 2024, 01:50:16 PM
Might as well get it all at one go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_7AvrTnMpY
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 17, 2024, 10:18:54 AM
I try not to keep up with transfers, portal-adds, portal-defections, signees, etc., because what's the point anymore.  But I can't keep all the news out and I heard about LSU picking up a couple of Florida kids, players the insane people who still follow recruiting seem to feel pretty positively about. 

It's an odd world, when you have a spot at Florida and would leave for LSU (insert any similar programs there).  In their particular case, they just whupped LSU on the field, so ostensibly they may not even be leaving for a team in better shape. 

If you can beat 'em, join 'em, I guess.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 17, 2024, 11:34:55 AM
i don't follow any of it, until the season begins in August/September.  It doesn't matter one bit until then.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on December 17, 2024, 12:53:06 PM
I wish they would not open the portal until after bowl and playoff season
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on December 17, 2024, 01:13:23 PM
I wish they would not open the portal until after bowl and playoff season
New semester begins for some schools in early January so they have to open the portal window before then, to allow for transfers.  The bowls and playoff run too long into January and don't allow for a smoother schedule.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2024, 07:46:15 PM
I try not to keep up with transfers, portal-adds, portal-defections, signees, etc., because what's the point anymore.  But I can't keep all the news out and I heard about LSU picking up a couple of Florida kids, players the insane people who still follow recruiting seem to feel pretty positively about. 

It's an odd world, when you have a spot at Florida and would leave for LSU (insert any similar programs there).  In their particular case, they just whupped LSU on the field, so ostensibly they may not even be leaving for a team in better shape. 

If you can beat 'em, join 'em, I guess. 
Pyburn is a high-motor DE good against the run.  Not sure why he left.  Not a long, twitchy edge guy at all.  He's easy to root for, but idk what his plan is.  I'm worried he wants to be something he's not (elite edge pass-rusher).
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2024, 10:25:41 AM
That's pretty much the assessment I read on him.  I guess it makes sense from LSU's standpoint since they were shaky against the run at times.  Ideally you'd want someone good at both, but the pipeline we used to have of guys who were big, physical, run-stuffers, but still agile, quick and nimble pass-rushers seems to have dried up a long time ago. 

I honestly don't know how common it is for DLs to be very good at both, or at least pretty good at one while being very good at another.  We were spoiled from about 2003 to 2012 and most of them were from Louisiana, but now all those guys are at Alabama, or Georgia, or Texas, or Michigan, etc. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2024, 10:29:51 AM
It leads to a related question that interests me.  I wonder how some of our old defenses which were elite for their time would look in today's game.  Our 2003 team allowed 67 rush ypg--good even for that time--but they didn't live in a world of RPO's.  iirc--and I might not--I don't think QBs in general were nearly as mobile back then, or if they were, it wasn't such a baked-in part of their offense.  For LSU, every year's defense had it's own flavor in those days, but the evolution could maybe be benchmarked as follows:  2003 was the culture change, where everyone played with their hair on fire all game.  2007 (when healthy) was built to stop the more traditional offenses we saw at that time, but struggled with the incoming spread-option Urban Meyer was introducing to the conference.  2011 was the culmination of Chavis' answer to that, built to choke spread-option teams.  2016 was still in that mold, but more geared to combat the emerging RPO trend. 

There's just a lot of firepower in offenses today, and the QBs on average, imo, have improved significantly in the college game over the last 20 years.  Those old defenses I mentioned were great, along with several Florida, USC, Oklahoma, etc. defenses we could talk about.  I still think an offense like LSU's 2019 or 2023 squad would hit 30+ on them, no matter how miserable the defense made them and how hard they would've had to work for it.  I'm not sure LSU should expect a defense with that kind of production anymore, even if the talent were comparable.  Alabama routinely fields offenses that are just going to score, no matter what defense is out there.  That UGA team we ran into in ATL in 2022 had two TEs that were matchup nightmares and a scheme that made the defense wrong no matter how they chose to defend a play. 

Predictably, the crux of our best defenses was the line, particularly the 2003 team.  The reason why no plays worked on that team is because every play was dead before it started.  I don't know that you can live off that anymore.  The best O-lines are much more impressive than they used to be, I think, and they give crazy-good QBs and receivers enough time to run a play. 


It's interesting to think about, but my hunch is none of those defenses I remember fondly would look as good now as they did then.  Who knows.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 19, 2024, 11:44:57 AM
Everything has to evolve.
When the Big 8 took on the SWC cast-offs, the beast in the room was the Cornhusker Big Red Machine. If you wanted to make a run at winning the conference, you had to be ready to stop a bunch of corn fed rhinos from stampeding down the field. That meant big DTs and, crucially, hulking LBs. 4-4 defenses were common. You had to recruit those big bodies.
When Leach became the OC at OU, he went the opposite direction. He sent as many receivers as he could screaming downfield. Ideally, you'd defend that with 5 or 6 DBs running mixed coverages. If a Big 12 defense were lucky, they maybe had 6 DBs in the entire rotation - including heavy safeties and raw underclassmen. They still were stocked with those massive LBs. OU put 70 on most teams, and stopped because they had some sense of mercy.

All that to say that the SEC's early 2000's defenses were there to stop the (primarily Bama) running game. LSU's was feared in that regard. When TAMU brought the spread style, complete with Saban angering HUNH, no one was ready for it. An offense that was good-but-not-great in the Big 12 excelled in the SEC. Nowadays, outside of the weirdos like Army, offenses are remarkably similar (or have the potential to be).

LSU's 2003 defense would still be a beast in today's game, though.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 19, 2024, 12:51:52 PM
Not to be argumentative, but at least one team was ready for A&M.  The charts of Manziel's production game by game during his tenure are fodder for LSU fans.  It's high and steady, with massive drops for his two games against LSU.  That offense did precisely squat against LSU in two tries, and frankly, 2012 was not one of LSU's greatest defenses, and 2013 was flat out bad by its standards at that time.

I'd actually argue LSU in particular was geared to handle A&M.  Chavis built a specific machine for those offenses, which had in fact entered the SEC.  But he also implemented a brutal platoon system, if needed, in the summer of 2011 leading up to the opener against Oregon, the kings of the HUNH.  Why Alabama had so much problems with A&M early on, I don't know.  They were built rather similarly to us, I thought, usually with better linebackers and (at that time) not quite as good DLs. 

I'll never forget the game against Oregon in Jerry-world.  Oregon's vaunted pace which ran a play every 15 seconds or something like that......they lined up to run a play and at times were visibly stunned to see LSU's entire defense set already and waiting for them.  At one point our DE Sam Montgomery was in his stance beating his hand on the ground as if to say "Come on!  Hurry up!  We ain't got all day!  Get lined up and run your play, Oregon!"  What Chavis had done to prepare for them was to coordinate with the offensive coaches and employ two completely separate offenses who would run a play, one after another.  All one unit had to do after running a play was get off the field as quick as possible, and the other offense was waiting to run on and snap the ball, having had time to get a play in while the other squad ran its play.  It got down to where LSU's defense was forced to defend a play within something like 6 seconds of the last play being dead.  By the time the Oregon game came around, the HUNH was like a Jedi mind trick that didn't work on them. 

What amazes me, and escapes our current teams, is when I watch Texas, UGA, or some of Alabama's recent great defenses.  Even against RPO teams, everywhere the ball goes, 2 or 3 defenders are already flying in.  It's like they know what's coming before it happens.  Talent is obviously part of it, but what I'm talking about goes beyond talent.  This is something I never saw from even our best defenses.  Those teams operated on very specific assignments and counted on havoc on the line and the back end being better than your guy.  What I'm talking about, like when Texas and UGA play each other this year, or watching Alabama for several years, is it feeling like there's 4 defenders no matter where you go with the ball.  I'm amazed, enthralled, and enchanted by how it happens, and keeps happening.  They know beyond a shadow of doubt what their formation is taking away, what the QB is going to do in response to that, and it's like they're all going to where they know the ball is going to go as soon as its snapped. 

Well.....and tackling.  That's something those teams are doing which we used to, but have abandoned in recent years.  But still.  Note the utter hell they create for an offense as it never looks like there's any open space, anywhere on camera.  It's like there's 20 guys on defense. 

Which is, like, 2 less than Tennessee lined up with against us that one time.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 20, 2024, 12:05:22 AM
LSU's 2003 defense would still be a beast in today's game, though.
Eh, not really sure that’s accurate. We had a new head coach, with new coordinators, and a few new skill players ( Mike Evans at WR). About the only part we kept was a mature OL, but Sherman ran a pro-style offense.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on December 20, 2024, 12:07:16 AM
That 2012 LSU loss cost us a shot at the SEC championship game. As I recall, we did miss an easy field goal or two that would’ve made a difference. But you’re correct, Johnny Football was much ineffective in that game. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 20, 2024, 12:08:59 PM
Les Miles had a special teams hex.  So many teams bizarrely missed FGs against us.  He also had a weird mojo where he knew exactly when the opposing team fell asleep and would be susceptible to fake punts or FGs.  The punters, kickers, returners and coverage were all bangers in those days too.

Man, I miss that.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 23, 2024, 10:53:40 AM
What kind of Christmas music do you find yourself listening to this time of year?

I listen to most anything Christmas-y this time of year 🎅

from the elegant and timeless hymns - O Holy Night; Little Town of Bethlehem 👼

to Mannheim Steamrollers' heavenly instrumentals - Silent Night, Carol of the Bells 🔔

to the mid-century classics - White Christmas, Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas

to the worst of the holiday novelty songs - Mommy Kissing Santa, Santa Baby, Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer 🎄

which I mostly can't stand, but everything is taking the good with the bad 🎩
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 23, 2024, 01:32:38 PM
well, sir- here is a carol for you: 

We got our effin ass kicked fallahlalalah-luh-lalala
Tennessee ain't nuthin special fallahlalalah-luh-lalala
---Arrogance will get you nowhere unless you can back it up
We'll be back and do this over fallahlalalah-luh-la  la  la
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on December 23, 2024, 02:31:47 PM
well, sir- here is a carol for you:

We got our effin ass kicked fallahlalalah-luh-lalala
Tennessee ain't nuthin special fallahlalalah-luh-lalala
---Arrogance will get you nowhere unless you can back it up
We'll be back and do this over fallahlalalah-luh-la  la  la

be careful karma is listening
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 23, 2024, 04:38:22 PM
be careful karma is listening
That may be the problem... karma WAS listening.  

That is as embarrassing an arse whoopin as I can ever recall- at least happening when I truly thought TN was a good team.  

97 Nebraska comes to mind... 96 Florida... maaaaaybe 2001 LSU, but they were good with that backup QB coming in nobody was prepared for... Memphis 95 I think it was... arky 91... these are the games that I KNEW Tennessee was the better team, and I still think they were better than Memphis and just laid an egg, but, those are the games that come to mind where I truly believed UT was better... meaning, even on a bad day they should win... 

Add tOSU to that, now.  I REALLY thought UT was going to roll them.  They were beat in every aspect a team can get beat.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2024, 09:15:42 PM
Save this, for whenever you're daisy-orange ass is feeling a bit uppity:

(https://i.imgur.com/gda4Oih.jpeg)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2024, 09:22:23 PM
And on 2012 A&M, you want to see a halftime adjustment?  Look at Manziel's first SEC game - tore us up in the first half.  But Muschamp had the DEs stop going for the sack and just corral him in...and shut A&M out in the 2nd half.
23 offensive plays for 47 total yards in 2nd half.
They simply stopped trying to sack him.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 01, 2025, 10:19:53 AM
What in the world Alabama…Kalen DeBoer…Jalen Milroe?

An embarrassing, uninspired showing by Alabama losing to Michigan in their Bowl yesterday.

Milroe was awful through the first quarter, fumbling TWICE, tossing an INT, and committing a FOURTH turnover if you count the Sack he took on 4th Down. Milroe settled down as the game progressed, but only marginally, and not enough to finish drives that weren’t bailed out by the heroics of other players.

With a month to do so, how in the world did DeBoer – a supposed QB whispering master – not have Milroe more prepared? Was his success at Fresno St and Washington that got him hired by Alabama lucked into by quarterbacks Jake Haener and Michael Penix? Now starting games in the NFL?

It’s worth asking because Milroe, who’s capable enough to productively work with, was wastefully handled this year. Throughout Alabama’s four losses, Milroe was fooled by defenses, couldn’t advance beyond his first progression (K Williams or Germie Bernard), was a turnover machine, and killed drives with inaccurate passing.

As for yesterday’s Bowl loss, one of the peripheral story lines was whether Milroe, waiting to announce after the Bowl (pending), would return as a Senior next season. Either way, why didn’t Kalen DeBoer (and OC Nick Sheridan) move on to sophomore backup (and presumed future) Ty Simpson, and ready him for next season? Milroe is a lost cause. Makes me wonder if Ty Simpson is also not developing? And whether DeBoer should even have his reputation as a developer of QBs?

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2025, 08:58:20 AM
My guess is a certain kind of QB might prosper under one QB "whisperer" but flag under another equally good QBW.  It may relate to style.

It has been asked of course why Carson Beck took a big step back this season, his second, and I think much of that is called McConkey and Bowers.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 03, 2025, 01:55:08 PM
Agree about Beck/Bowers/McConkey. 

Re: Deboar and Milroe:  I don't know much about Haener, but Penix may very well be a QB that might exaggerate the perceived capability of the guy who gets to call plays for him.  On the flip side, Milroe doesn't have a lot to recommend him, that I've seen, other than his legs.  He's a worse version of Jalen Hurts, imo, and I've been pretty critical of Hurts. 

Might take DeBoar another season or two to get the team remade in his image, but I still think he'll get Alabama back at the top.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 07, 2025, 11:09:04 AM
LSU finished 61st in defense for 2024, a significant improvement from the previous year.

...

...

...

.......and they're still 61st in defense.  The 4 Playoff Semifinalists all rank in the Top 8 in defense.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 09, 2025, 09:54:24 AM
Turns out I really like having a good defense.  Who knew??

This year's Texas defense is good.  I'm not sure its worthy of its lofty ranking, it's sort of disappeared in some big moments in some big games, but it's also gotten us a lot of important stops when it really mattered.  Huge stops on multiple 4th and shorts against A&M, Clemson, and Arizona State, in recent memory.

So I wouldn't say it's a shut-down defense, but it does play with intensity and it plays smart, most of the time.  And the improvement of the secondary from last year to this, has been remarkable. 

Gonna need the Defense's best effort of the year tomorrow night, I think. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on January 09, 2025, 09:36:25 PM
Tulsa World
Berry Tramel's College football picks: Can Texas stave off the Northern invasion?
Jan 8, 2025 Updated 17 mins ago  0
Berry Tramel
Sports Columnist


College football’s national championship game is January 20, in Atlanta. Fitting place. The capital of southern football. Home of the SEC Championship Game and the Peach Bowl and Georgia Tech and probably three million Georgia fans and one of those neutral-site opening-weekend games in which Alabama or Clemson or Georgia clubs some poor opponent.

But unless the Texas Longhorns pull a major upset Friday night, Atlanta is in for a shock. Two northern teams playing for the title.

The College Football Playoff semifinals pit Notre Dame against Penn State in the Orange Bowl on Thursday night, then Texas against Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl.

A sport dominated by Deep South teams suddenly has returned to its roots. Michigan won the 2023 national title, and unless UT beats the Buckeyes, the 2024 champ is guaranteed to come from the Great North.

Not since 2014 Ohio State has a northern team been the king of college football. And before that, the previous non-South champ was Texas itself, which in 2005 hailed from the Big 12 and the Southwest. Austin still is a Southwest city, but the ‘Horns have joined the Southeastern Conference, so rest assured that the South will use all ambiguity to its advantage.

Most years, both combatants in the title game have come from the South. Or at least not from the North. Between the 2014 Ohio State-Oregon title game and Michigan-Washington last season, the only North team to make the championship game was Ohio State in 2020.

But the Big Ten clearly has emerged as a worthy rival to the SEC, with two semifinalists, and Notre Dame is undergoing a renaissance, and the SEC/Clemson hold on the sport has slipped.

Let’s get to the predictions:

Notre Dame vs. Penn State: Fighting Irish 20-10. Notre Dame has been better tested in the CFP, with victories over Indiana (no big deal) and Georgia (big deal). The Nittany Lions have won with relative ease against Southern Methodist and Boise State.

Ohio State vs. Texas: Buckeyes 28-16. Give the Longhorns credit. Their strength is the defense, but the offense has answered the bell in this CFP, against both Clemson and Arizona State. The Buckeyes seemed to sleepwalk through much of the regular season but in the playoff has looked like 2020 Alabama. One of the most dominant teams we’ve seen in years.

Last week: 7-5. Season: 503-201.

berry.tramel@tulsaworld.com

Tramel's pick in tonight's game isn't looking very good.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on January 09, 2025, 11:26:14 PM
Nice win for the Irish. I like that kind of team. Excellent defense, solid running game, a QB who doesn't have to be elite, but is tough and smart and can run the offense.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 10, 2025, 12:05:43 AM
Lot of picks and near picks in that game from both ND and PSU.  Neither of those QBs were very good. I don't really see ND being able to compete with Ohio State OR Texas.

So now we'll see if Texas is able to compete with Ohio State.  I'm not betting on it, but hope springs eternal.
  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 10, 2025, 10:09:33 AM
Berry Tramel is a putz.

A paragraph after remembering Michigan just won the 2023 Footbawlz, he says "not since 2014 Ohio State has a Northern team been king of the sport." 

Then he goes on to say how Ohio State in the playoffs (referring to dominance, greatness, etc.) looks like 2020 Alabama.  2020 Alabama?  Really?!?  That's his comp for a great team?

I end where I started.  Berry Tramel is a putz.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 10, 2025, 10:32:24 AM
Well, yeah.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 10, 2025, 10:58:35 AM
From OAM, on the Big Ten board: 

"I don't get the NFL love for Allar AT ALL.  Same with the LSU QB.  What in the holy hell can make up for poor decision-making and failing to find wide open spaces when you have two 1,000 yard RB threats behind you."

Nuss would be amazing with an OL that didn't turn every play into a panic play and that could open up the occasional hole for a RB to take some pressure off the QB spot.  He was really good for a first year starter considering what he had to work with.  When he got a whiff of a clean pocket, he was dealing.  I can only imagine what he could do with a complementary running game and a year of playing experience under his belt. 

No idea about the NFL love for him.  Don't know anything about that.  Somebody will have to clean-up his hero-ball proclivities--preferably us, this off-season--and teach him that if your OL sucks, it's okay to get sacked a lot. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 10, 2025, 11:00:35 AM
Carson Beck to the xfer portal. 

Who would've guessed.  If not for NIL he almost certainly would've been gone to the NFL for beaucoup $ last year.  Might be that NIL winds up hurting players as much as it damages the sport.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 10, 2025, 11:58:51 AM
Carson Beck to the xfer portal. 

Who would've guessed.  If not for NIL he almost certainly would've been gone to the NFL for beaucoup $ last year.  Might be that NIL winds up hurting players as much as it damages the sport. 
Yeah true enough.  Same thing for Ewers, I wonder if his draft status would be any better if he'd come out last year, versus this year.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on January 10, 2025, 09:36:41 PM
Berry Tramel is a putz.

A paragraph after remembering Michigan just won the 2023 Footbawlz, he says "not since 2014 Ohio State has a Northern team been king of the sport." 

Then he goes on to say how Ohio State in the playoffs (referring to dominance, greatness, etc.) looks like 2020 Alabama.  2020 Alabama?  Really?!?  That's his comp for a great team?

I end where I started.  Berry Tramel is a putz.
Re your 1st point, he should have written "had" instead of "has."
Maybe he has a problem with verb tenses. I have heard him say "I had went."
I suppose you'd rather he used 2019 LSU as the standard of a great team? Based on how badly LSU waxed OU in the Peach Bowl that season, I'd agree with you.
But 2020 Bama was awfully good too.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2025, 12:15:28 AM
Berry Tramel is a putz.

A paragraph after remembering Michigan just won the 2023 Footbawlz, he says "not since 2014 Ohio State has a Northern team been king of the sport." 

Then he goes on to say how Ohio State in the playoffs (referring to dominance, greatness, etc.) looks like 2020 Alabama.  2020 Alabama?  Really?!?  That's his comp for a great team?

I end where I started.  Berry Tramel is a putz. 
Uhhh, 2020 Bama is an all-time great team.  Whether you're impressed with their play or not, their resume with ZERO cupcakes on their schedule makes them an all-time great team.  Like sort of undisputably. 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2025, 12:16:48 AM
What he meant to say was this will be the 2nd straight year we'll have a national champion of northern aggression.  :57:
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 13, 2025, 11:05:06 AM
Re your 1st point, he should have written "had" instead of "has."
Maybe he has a problem with verb tenses. I have heard him say "I had went."
I suppose you'd rather he used 2019 LSU as the standard of a great team? Based on how badly LSU waxed OU in the Peach Bowl that season, I'd agree with you.
But 2020 Bama was awfully good too.

2019 LSU wasn't really on my mind.

My issue isn't anything to do with Alabama within 2020.  They were the best team that year, hands down.  My issue is that wasn't even close to the best Alabama team of Saban's time, let alone who to point to for Greatest Team Of All Time.  2020 saw teams with no contact practices that lead to horrendous defense everywhere I looked.  Mac Jones was a product of that.....his play looked like it, and his NFL career cemented it.  They played one less cupcake than a standard team in a season, but less games (with two consecutive bye weeks in the middle of the season to rest and heal).  

2020 Alabama makes me yawn.  They're as forgettable as the season they played in.  They would've lost to a handful of other Alabama teams, let alone other teams we can legitimately talk about for GOAT.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 13, 2025, 11:21:34 AM
2020 is definitely an asterisk year.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 13, 2025, 12:05:23 PM
Mac Jones is an asterisk quarterback.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 13, 2025, 12:44:10 PM
Mac Jones is an asterisk quarterback. 
I honestly don't remember much about that season, or Mac Jones' performance.  Everything was such a mess, leagues playing only against themselves so no intersectional matchups, teams having to cancel or postpone games, teams constantly playing at half-strength or worse.  I'm glad they went ahead and found ways to play the season, but all in all, it's just a throwaway year.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 13, 2025, 01:31:45 PM
Exactly. 

One thing I do remember is, for whatever reasons, with the limited practices afforded to the teams, offenses came together way better than defenses.  My guess is the lack of live tackling in practice, which I believe was disallowed to reduce contact (lolz).  I've never seen crappier defense across the entire country as 2020.  Crap tackling, and players everywhere out of position.  Every game was like watching a Big 12 game :)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on January 13, 2025, 01:46:37 PM
I honestly don't remember much about that season, or Mac Jones' performance.  Everything was such a mess, leagues playing only against themselves so no intersectional matchups, teams having to cancel or postpone games, teams constantly playing at half-strength or worse.  I'm glad they went ahead and found ways to play the season, but all in all, it's just a throwaway year. 
I remember it quite well because it was A&M's best team in ~20 years.  We were talking about the chances of the 2020 team long before the season, the schedule worked out quite nicely, and we had some nice OOC matchups.  Then COVID hit, all the OOC games got cancelled, we won every game except Alabama who rolled us, and then ended up missing the playoff, where Alabama rolled everybody else, including ND in the playoff 14-31 and Ohio St 52-24.  

The reason why I was pissed about it is because ND lost to Clemson 10-34 and still got in the playoff.  I'm not saying that we could have beat Bama the 2nd time, but we played them in our 2nd game of the year and were much improved by the end of the season, whipping a really good UNC in the Orange Bowl.  This is exactly the reason why I was in favor of expanding the playoff because a "Helmet" team will always get the benefit of the doubt.  It would have been nice to get to the playoff and see how far we could have went, instead we didn't get the chance.  Oh, and ND somehow got invited to the ACC Championship game.  I'm still a little confused by that. I know they "pair" up with the ACC, but I'm not sure if that was just a COVID year thing or WTF that was.  I had forgotten all about that.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 24, 2025, 11:11:54 AM
What an amazing week.  We had snow here for the first time since 2017, one of just a handful of times we've had snow in my entire lifetime, and by far the most snow we've ever had.  We got 5 inches here at the house, Beaumont had as much as 10 inches and some of the pics I saw from the city looked like pictures you see in blizzards up north.  Trucks abandoned on the road with snow halfway up their bigass tires. 

Monday was MLK day, Monday night it started snowing so Tuesday and Wednesday got called off at work, and even though most people went back to work on Thursday, we stayed closed "due to an abundance of caution."  So today is my only work day, and on Fridays I work from home.  I didn't have to get up and fight traffic or weather the cold a single day this week. 

What an amazing week.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2025, 11:16:45 AM
Amen, brutha.

We got maybe 1/10th of an inch?  It was enough to stick, and schools stayed closed on Tuesday.  The roads were completely clear by 11 or noon.  

I was "working from home" that day but we had a lot of fun with the kids, hanging out by the fire all day, cooking, eating, doing puzzles, making hot cocoa, and generally being lazy.  With them being 17 and 15 now, I know there aren't going to be many more days like that where we're all together, and I make the most of every opportunity.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on January 24, 2025, 11:30:17 AM
17 and 15.....geez.  I remember when you announced your oldest was forthcoming, and I'd already been coming to your tailgates for a couple years by then, I think. 

That means I've been hanging around here for a long time, and may be getting old. 

....

....

....Nah.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2025, 11:43:35 AM
Yeah my firstborn was a brand new baby, not even one month old, when we had the Board Meeting at the Texas-Nebraska game in 2007.  That's why I wasn't able to join ALL the festivities that weekend.  I only had a hall pass for the tailgate party on Saturday.

 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Shiner on January 30, 2025, 04:12:12 PM
utee's post is timely.  I posted this on my Facebook account (first time I've posted on Facebook in years) that my oldest (also 17) was just recently admitted to Texas A&M, specifically into the engineering program.  He'll be class of 2029.  I'm friggin' old.... 
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2025, 04:20:37 PM
Congrats, Shiner!

We're taking my oldest to visit the A&M campus in a couple of weeks.  And the UT campus the week after that.  Of course, she's already been to both, numerous times.  But never as a prospective student.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 30, 2025, 05:07:26 PM
My son is shocked to learn that I greatly respect the academic reputation of many schools that I vociferously route against in the sporting world.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2025, 02:22:18 PM
I don't really "root against" other teams aside from direct conflict.  I will root against other teams ranked higher than my own, but not because of who they are, other than Eastern Michigan.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Shiner on January 31, 2025, 03:30:59 PM
I not only root against other teams... I actively root for the meteor strike when said hated teams are matched up against one another.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2025, 03:43:22 PM
Yup same here.  Ags-Sooners is always a fine candidate for a meteor game.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2025, 04:06:38 PM
There are a handful of teams I don't mind seeing lose, Notre Dame, Florida, Eastern Michigan, but I don't care that much about it.  Tech is too pitiful to be loathed, we beat them like a champ last time, albeit in 8 OTs.  Auburn is meh.  Tennessee the same.  They can all lose/win whatever.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on January 31, 2025, 05:29:19 PM
There are a handful of teams I don't mind seeing lose, Notre Dame, Florida, Eastern Michigan, but I don't care that much about it.  Tech is too pitiful to be loathed, we beat them like a champ last time, albeit in 8 OTs.  Auburn is meh.  Tennessee the same.  They can all lose/win whatever.
Did Eastern Michigan steal your lunch money once upon a time?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2025, 11:26:59 PM
Eastern Michigan is almost as dislikable as Wofford!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2025, 07:54:16 AM
Did Eastern Michigan steal your lunch money once upon a time?
Heh, the back story is I once noted that for a team to be hated it has to be somehow relevant.  You may recall a former poster, now passed on, who was from Eastern Michigan, so I thought I'd try and throw some shade their way at times.

Gatorama.  RIP.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on February 01, 2025, 09:43:45 PM
Ah, yeah. I had forgotten that he attended EMU.

Maybe he forgot it too in his love for M Go Blue.

R.I.P., Gatorama.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2025, 08:49:28 AM
Indeed, RIP. He is missed around here.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2025, 08:52:19 AM
He attended my son's service at Arlington, which was a thing of course.  There also were about 15 students from his HS there who realized on arrival they were dressed too casually, I told them not to worry about it, they were fine.  There also was an Ohio Senator (now governor) and Congressman present.  My kid asked them if they knew each other.  They chuckled.  And there was a notable press contingent about 50 yards away, I appreciated that they were kept distant though I could hear camera shutters clicking, it wasn't an issue.  The ceremony was brief, maybe 15 minutes, which was fine.  I understand for officers they do the horse drawn caissons, if that is the proper term.

One of my CACOs had never been in DC before and wanted to get a quick tour, so the night before I drove him around some.  He was a staff sergeant at the time, called me a few years later saying he was a WO 5, which struck me as pretty impressive.  He was from Utah and was estranged from his grandfather, and apparently some words I had convinced him to go see his grandfather again.  Memories, not all terrible.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on February 03, 2025, 06:26:30 PM
He attended my son's service at Arlington, which was a thing of course.  There also were about 15 students from his HS there who realized on arrival they were dressed too casually, I told them not to worry about it, they were fine.  There also was an Ohio Senator (now governor) and Congressman present.  My kid asked them if they knew each other.  They chuckled.  And there was a notable press contingent about 50 yards away, I appreciated that they were kept distant though I could hear camera shutters clicking, it wasn't an issue.  The ceremony was brief, maybe 15 minutes, which was fine.  I understand for officers they do the horse drawn caissons, if that is the proper term.

One of my CACOs had never been in DC before and wanted to get a quick tour, so the night before I drove him around some.  He was a staff sergeant at the time, called me a few years later saying he was a WO 5, which struck me as pretty impressive.  He was from Utah and was estranged from his grandfather, and apparently some words I had convinced him to go see his grandfather again.  Memories, not all terrible.
E-6 to W-5 is an impressive accomplishment.
Have you seen the movie Taking Chance, CD?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 05:58:44 PM
So here's signing day in February, and LSU didn't bring in a single player, and wasn't expected to.

What a weird world.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 11:39:43 PM
Yeah I don't even know what "signing day" even means anymore.  It's okay though, I never really liked paying attention to recruiting anyway.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 10:30:25 AM
I never did prior to joining this board back in '06.  One of the Buckeyes would talk to me about high school kids Ohio State and LSU were vying for and I had no clue what she was talking about.  So I started paying attention to it and then it was fun.  For a while anyway.

I'd still follow recruiting, except for that it's pointless as regards my mode of fandom.  I liked knowing the players who would be at LSU for the next 3-5 years.  I liked knowing that they either chose to represent their state, or had good recruiting visits and we had good recruiting pitches.  That's what made it "LSU football" to me when it came time for them to take the field. 

Now the amount of roster turnover from year to year is dizzying, and I'm not spending that much time on kids who will come play and transfer out in a year.  And who even knows if they really wanted to be there, or we just gave them a better financial deal than other schools. 

It's not interesting, and I don't care about recruiting battles anymore, because win or lose, kids who don't sign with us could wind up here anyway, and kids we do sign could (and do) leave. 

I used to never like the NFL.  Now I'm forced to watch it, and I have to say, there is something a bit more honest about the game there.  I didn't like it mainly because it was paid professionals who had no real team loyalty in the end.  Now that the same thing is true in college, I find the NFL a bit refreshing, because at least its honest about what it is.  Once I settled into that, I found watching the NFL isn't so bad.  Just a shame I don't really have a team I root for, and I don't think I can manufacture the kind of fandom I used to have with LSU sports.  Somehow the Saints were completely lost on me growing up....and that's probably to the betterment of my mental health.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:28:10 AM
If I were starting an NFL fandom right now, I'd be a Chiefs fan!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:29:55 AM
But overall, yeah, totally agree with you.  My interest in college football is waning for the reasons you've cited, and others.

But I still can't say I care more for the pro game.  I just care less about all of it, in general.

That's why I'm hopeful Sarkisian can deliver one more NC to Texas, before I just completely check out.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 12:27:11 PM
Final 4 appearances the last two seasons.  Stands to reason he'll eventually get over the hump.

As for becoming a Chiefs fan, it figures you'd pick the one NFL team with no Tigers ;-)
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 01:09:21 PM
Final 4 appearances the last two seasons.  Stands to reason he'll eventually get over the hump.

As for becoming a Chiefs fan, it figures you'd pick the one NFL team with no Tigers ;-)
Ha!  Not intentional of course.

But I've always liked Mahomes.  And Worthy is there now.  And Derrick Johnson was a good player for them, as were Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles.  Plus my i s c & a aggie wife spent her first nine years of life in KC, so she always roots for them.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: longhorn320 on February 07, 2025, 11:30:30 PM
But overall, yeah, totally agree with you.  My interest in college football is waning for the reasons you've cited, and others.

But I still can't say I care more for the pro game.  I just care less about all of it, in general.

That's why I'm hopeful Sarkisian can deliver one more NC to Texas, before I just completely check out.
bullshit you just need a little Longhorn jolt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63GRvfUhlA
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 11, 2025, 12:04:06 PM
Our QB last year got NFL offensive rookie of the year.  That, after our pitching ace from the 2023 championship beisbol team also got MLB rookie of the year. 

Now we just need a stud basketball player to go to the NBA and nah, I can't even type that with a straight face.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 12, 2025, 10:56:48 AM
Does Ben Simmons count?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 12, 2025, 11:34:27 AM
Well, since it was 10 years ago and he was injured his rookie season, I'm inclined to say no.

However, I did not know he actually did win NBA ROTY....in technically his third season.  I didn't keep up with him after his draft and injury.  I had no idea he was ROTY, or that you could even win that when it's not your first season...or even your second.  Shows what I know.  I just looked him up and that's what it says.  

With that, I guess we can claim to have at least 1 player drafted #1 in each major sport, and a player to win ROTY as well.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Gigem on February 12, 2025, 11:43:53 AM
An Aggie was Super Bowl 50 MVP, but he didn't score a TD.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 12, 2025, 12:13:10 PM
Of the 130+ FBS schools, there are likely quite a few that have never had a player score a TD in the Superbowl.  In the exact same game 3 nights ago, DeVonta Smith was the first Alabama player to ever score a TD in the Superbowl.  Apparently they don't count QBs throwing TDs into that stat.

https://sports.yahoo.com/devonta-smith-becomes-first-player-030401174.html

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 12, 2025, 12:50:50 PM
Did Ja'Marr Chase catch a TD when the Bengals lost to the Rams?

If he did, I bet he'd trade that catch for a W all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 02:09:38 PM
LSU gymnastics will take on their nemesis, Oklahoma, tonight.  The Sooners have been the bane of the Tigers for several years.  Despite multiple top-notch teams, and even a NC team last season, the Sooners have been a little better and consistently edged us out.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 15, 2025, 07:17:27 AM
ousux
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on February 15, 2025, 07:14:05 PM
LSU gymnastics will take on their nemesis, Oklahoma, tonight.  The Sooners have been the bane of the Tigers for several years.  Despite multiple top-notch teams, and even a NC team last season, the Sooners have been a little better and consistently edged us out. 
#1 vs. #2. Should be a good match.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: CWSooner on February 16, 2025, 06:58:04 PM
Well, LSU won the women's gymnastics meet 198.050-197.675.

Congrats to MikeDeTiger!
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 17, 2025, 09:22:18 AM
Congrats to that one gymnast, I reckon, for parlaying an okay gym career into being an Insta-celebrity and causing riots at the PMAC.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 17, 2025, 10:13:50 AM
Congrats to that one gymnast, I reckon, for parlaying an okay gym career into being an Insta-celebrity and causing riots at the PMAC.
She's cute, but it's definitely curious to me that of all the THOTs on Insta for rando dudes to simp after, she became such a focal point.  Maybe it's because she's a college girl and an athlete, she seemed more like a real person, than so many other plastic chicks on the web?  Just speculating.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 05:53:47 PM
Just fair warning.  You may kick us around in football and you may laughably kick us around in basketball, but baseball season's here, and in that, we will take our revenge. 

Well, I hope, anyway. 

But you've been warned nevertheless.  
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 07:40:19 PM
Just fair warning.  You may kick us around in football and you may laughably kick us around in basketball, but baseball season's here, and in that, we will take our revenge. 

Well, I hope, anyway. 

But you've been warned nevertheless. 
Bulljive.  We owe you for 2009.  We'll get OUR revenge. 

Texas baseball is going to return to prominence.  I pity the fool that stands in our way.
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2025, 07:55:12 AM
I keep thinking it would be fun to walk down to a Tech baseball game, and maybe I will when the weather gets nice.  Not now, the weather is brutal, 26°F at the moment.

They have a nice looking stadium there.  Where does college baseball rank in the minor league level?  AA?
Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: utee94 on February 21, 2025, 09:18:24 AM
I love college baseball.  I have no idea how it compares to minor leagues since I don't follow any professional baseball at all.  But it's relatively cheap (compared to football anyway) and spending a nice weather weekend at the ballpark is one of life's great pleasures IMO.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2025, 12:52:03 PM
My friend and pitching coach was a first round draft pick, he told me it was a no brainer to take the money at that time, but a 3rd rounder or lower would be better off in college, usually, he speculated.  I figure the better college players could step into AA ball and not miss a beat, the best could play AAA, and of course the top few could play MLB with some adjustment.  My friend said the jump from AA to AAA was the steepest, the AAA players generally are ready for MLB level play, perhaps with some small deficiencies they work on.

Some of it is who is ahead of you at your position obviously.

Title: Re: SEC Front Porch
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 21, 2025, 04:00:16 PM
Bulljive.  We owe you for 2009.  We'll get OUR revenge.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh...your opinion, man.