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Title: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2022, 09:53:20 AM
Annual depiction of what the post season would look like under various former and hypothetical layouts
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2022, 11:35:06 AM
First, is my dream scenario.



A five tiered 5-1-2 scenario.  Where you get the 5 P5 champs, the best Group of 5 champ, and the 2 best at larges, stating at Tier 5, and moving up, building to a great NYD, where that top tier also doubles as an unseeded playoff.



I think this accomplishes many things...






DECEMBER 24POTATOIOWA (7-5) vs. Toledo (8-5)
HAWAIIDuke (8-4) vs. Washington State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 26MUSIC CITYMINNESOTA (8-4) vs. Ole Miss (8-4)
ALAMOKentucky (7-5) vs. Baylor (6-6)
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DECEMBER 27TANGERINEPittsburgh (8-4) vs. Oklahoma State (7-5)
LAS VEGAS#18 UCLA (9-3) vs. Fresno State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 28INDEPENDENCE#21 Notre Dame (8-4) vs. #22 Mississippi State (8-4)
COPPER#23 NC State (8-4) vs. ILLINOIS (8-4)
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DECEMBER 29SUN#14 Oregon State (9-3) vs. Texas Tech (7-5)
HOLIDAY#12 Washington (10-2) vs. PURDUE (8-5)
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DECEMBER 30GATOR#13 Florida State (9-3) vs. #15 Oregon (9-3)
LIBERTY#19 South Carolina (8-4) vs. #25 UTSA (11-2)
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DECEMBER 31OUTBACK#6 Tennessee (10-2) vs. #10 USC (11-2)
PEACH#24 Troy (11-2) vs. North Carolina (9-4)
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JANUARY 2COTTON#17 LSU (9-4) vs. #20 Texas (8-4)
CITRUS#5 Alabama (10-2) vs. #11 PENN STATE (10-2)
ROSE#2 MICHIGAN (13-0) vs. #8 Utah (10-3)
ORANGE#3 TCU vs. #7 Clemson (11-2)
SUGAR#1 Georgia (13-0) vs. #16 Tulane (11-2)
FIESTA#4 OHIO STATE vs. #9 Kansas State (10-3)
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2022, 11:43:53 AM
I like it

I'd move the Cotton back a day or two
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2022, 03:15:45 PM
Under the 5 game BCS system


DECEMBER 17NEW MEXICOCoastal Carolina (9-3) vs. San Jose State (7-4)
POTATOSouth Alabama (10-2) vs. Eastern Michigan (8-4)
NEW ORLEANSLiberty (8-4) vs. UAB (6-6)
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DECEMBER 20BEEF O'BRADY'SWestern Kentucky (8-5) vs. East Carolina (7-5)
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DECEMBER 21POINSETTIA#24 Troy (11-2) vs. Boise State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 22LAS VEGAS#18 UCLA (9-3) vs. Fresno State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 24HAWAII#24 UTSA (11-2) vs. Marshall (8-4)
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DECEMBER 26INDEPENDENCELouisville (7-5) vs. San Diego State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 27PIZZAToledo (8-5) vs. Memphis (6-6)
BELKDuke (8-4) vs. Central Florida (9-4)
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DECEMBER 28MILITARYSyracuse (7-5) vs. Middle Tennessee (7-5)
HOLIDAY#12 Washington (9-3) vs. Oklahoma (6-6)
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DECEMBER 29CHAMPS SPORTS#21 Notre Dame (8-4) vs. #23 NC State (8-4)
ALAMO#14 Oregon State (9-3) vs. Texas Tech (7-5)
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DECEMBER 30ARMED FORCESWyoming (7-5) vs. North Texas (7-6)
PINSTRIPEKansas (6-6) vs. Cincinnati (9-3)
MUSIC CITYKentucky (7-5) vs. Wake Forest (7-5)
INSIGHTMINNESOTA (8-4) vs. Oklahoma State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 31MEINEKEMARYLAND (7-5) vs. Baylor (6-6)
SUN#15 Oregon (9-3) vs. Pittsburgh (8-4)
LIBERTYFlorida (6-6) vs. Houston (7-5)
FIGHT HUNGERWashington State (7-5) vs. WISCONSIN (6-6)
CHICK-FIL-A#13 Florida State (9-3) vs. #22 Mississippi State (8-4)
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JANUARY 2TICKETCITYILLINOIS (8-4) vs. Missouri (6-6)
OUTBACK#19 South Carolina (8-4) vs. PURDUE (8-5)
CAPITALONE#6 Tennessee (10-2) vs. #11 PENN STATE (10-2)
GATOROle Miss (8-4) vs. IOWA (7-5)
ROSE#4 OHIO STATE (11-1) vs. #8 Utah (10-3)
FIESTA#9 Kansas State (10-3) vs. #10 USC (11-2)
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JANUARY 3SUGAR#3 TCU (12-1) vs. #5 Alabama (10-2)
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JANUARY 4ORANGE#7 Clemson (11-2) vs. #16 Tulane (11-2)
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JANUARY 6COTTON#17 LSU (9-4) vs. #20 Texas (8-4)
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JANUARY 7COMPASSArkansas (6-6) vs. SMU (7-5)
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JANUARY 8GODADDY.COMOhio (9-4) vs. BYU (7-5)

Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2022, 06:16:35 PM
Old-timey system:
Sugar: Georgia vs Ohio St
Orange: Kansas St vs Alabama
Rose: Michigan vs Utah
Cotton: TCU vs Tennessee
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USC in the Holiday vs some LaVell Edwards BYU squad...
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Ohio State wins the NC by beating the shit out of UGA, Utah upsetting UM, and TCU beating the Vols 9-7.
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2022, 09:35:40 PM
Sounds like someone is scared to play in a bowl that has been played for like 50 years in a city that has no correlation to it's name
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 10, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
huh?
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 10, 2022, 05:37:19 PM
The Liberty Bowl is named for originally being played in Philly
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 10, 2022, 05:50:58 PM
Who is scared?  

That post was from the bullpen BEHIND left field.
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 13, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
4 game BCS format


DECEMBER 20NEW ORLEANS#24 Troy (11-2) vs. North Texas (7-6)
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DECEMBER 21GMACOhio (9-4) vs. Middle Tennessee (7-5)
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DECEMBER 22LAS VEGAS#15 Oregon (9-3) vs. Boise State (9-4)
POINSETTIA#18 UCLA (9-3) vs. San Diego State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 23FORT WORTHAir Force (9-3) vs. Houston (7-5)
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DECEMBER 24HAWAIIWestern Kentucky (8-5) vs. BYU (7-5)
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DECEMBER 26MOTOR CITYIOWA (7-5) vs. Toledo (8-5)
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DECEMBER 27CHAMPS SPORTS#23 NC State (8-4) vs. Kentucky (7-5)
INSIGHT#14 Oregon State (9-3) vs. Central Florida (9-4)
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DECEMBER 28MPC COMPUTERSPittsburgh (8-4) vs. Coastal Carolina (9-3)
ALAMOPURDUE (8-5) vs. Texas Tech (7-5)
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DECEMBER 29EMERALDLouisville (7-5) vs. San Jose State (7-4)
HOLIDAY#10 USC (11-2) vs. Oklahoma State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 30MUSIC CITYDuke (8-4) vs. MINNESOTA (8-4)
SUN#12 Washington (10-2) vs. ILLINOIS (8-4)
INDEPENDENCEOle Miss (8-4) vs. MARYLAND (7-5)
PEACH#22 Mississippi State (8-4) vs. North Carolina (9-4)
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DECEMBER 31MEINEKE CAR CARECincinnati (9-3) vs. Wake Forest (7-5)
LIBERTY#25 UTSA (11-2) vs. Fresno State (9-4)
HOUSTONSouth Alabama (10-2) vs. SMU (7-5)
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JANUARY 2COTTON#17 LSU (9-4) vs. #20 Texas (8-4)
OUTBACK#11 PENN STATE (10-2) vs. #19 South Carolina (8-4)
GATOR#13 Florida State (9-3) vs. #21 Notre Dame (8-4)
CAPITAL ONE#4 OHIO STATE (11-1) vs. #6 Tennessee (10-2)
FIESTA#9 Kansas State (10-3) vs. #16 Tulane (11-2)
SUGAR#3 TCU (12-1) vs. #5 Alabama (10-2)
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JANUARY 3ORANGE#7 Clemson (11-2) vs. #8 Utah (10-3)
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JANUARY 4ROSE#1 Georgia (13-0) vs. #2 MICHIGAN (13-0)


Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 16, 2022, 01:23:00 PM
Bowl Alliance


DECEMBER 15LAS VEGAS#24 Troy (11-2) vs. Toledo (8-5)
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DECEMBER 25ALOHA#15 Oregon (9-3) vs. #21 Notre Dame (8-4)
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DECEMBER 28COPPER#14 Oregon State (9-3) vs. #25 UTSA (11-2)
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DECEMBER 29ALAMOILLINOIS (8-4) vs. Texas Tech (7-5)
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DECEMBER 30SUN#12 Washington (10-2) vs. MINNESOTA (8-4)
INDEPENDENCE#22 Mississippi State (8-4) vs. Pittsburgh (8-4)
HOLIDAYOklahoma State (7-5) vs. Fresno State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 31LIBERTY#18 UCLA (9-3) vs. Air Force (9-3)
CARQUEST#19 South Carolina (8-4) vs. #23 NC State (8-4)
PEACH#17 LSU (9-4) vs. North Carolina (9-4)
SUGAR#4 OHIO STATE (11-1) vs. #9 Kansas State (10-3)
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JANUARY 2OUTBACK#6 Tennessee (10-2) vs. PURDUE (8-5)
CITRUS#5 Alabama (10-2) vs. #11 PENN STATE (10-2)
GATOR#13 Florida State (9-3) vs. Central Florida (9-4)
COTTON#10 USC (11-2) vs. #20 Texas (8-4)
ROSE#2 MICHIGAN (13-0) vs. #8 Utah (10-3)
ORANGE#7 Clemson (11-2) vs. #16 Tulane (11-2)
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JANUARY 3FIESTA#1 Georgia (13-0) vs. #3 TCU (12-1)

Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: FearlessF on December 16, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
and Michigan wouldn't even get a split in that scenario 
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2022, 02:12:30 PM
Bowl Coalition

DECEMBER 15LAS VEGAS#25 UTSA (11-2) vs. Toledo (8-5)
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DECEMBER 25ALOHA#15 Oregon (9-3) vs. Texas Tech (7-5)
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DECEMBER 27FREEDOM#12 Washington (10-2) vs. Boise State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 28INDEPENDENCEDuke (8-4) vs. ILLINOIS (8-4)
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DECEMBER 29COPPER#24 Troy (11-2) vs. Ole Miss (8-4)
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DECEMBER 30SUN#19 South Carolina (8-4) vs. #21 Notre Dame (8-4)
GATOR#6 Tennessee (10-2) vs. #16 Tulane (11-2)
HOLIDAYPURDUE (8-5) vs. Fresno State (9-4)
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DECEMBER 31LIBERTY#18 UCLA (9-3) vs. Air Force (9-3)
ALAMO#14 Oregon State (9-3) vs. Oklahoma State (7-5)
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JANUARY 1PEACH#22 Mississippi State (8-4) vs. North Carolina (9-4)
ORANGE#9 Kansas State (9-3) vs. #10 USC (11-2)
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JANUARY 2HALL OF FAME#11 PENN STATE (10-2) vs. #23 NC State (8-4)
CITRUS#4 OHIO STATE (11-1) vs. #17 LSU (9-4)
COTTON#13 Florida State (9-3) vs. #20 Texas (10-3)
CARQUESTPittsburgh (8-4) vs. Kentucky (7-5)
FIESTA#5 Alabama (10-2) vs. #7 Clemson (11-2)
ROSE#2 MICHIGAN (13-0) vs. #8 Utah (10-3)
SUGAR#1 Georgia (13-0) vs. #3 TCU (12-1)
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2022, 06:19:11 PM
Hell, if it meant all the other crap would fall by the wayside, just give me the 7 most historic bowls and incorporate them into a 16-team playoff.  Screw it.
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Just use the rankings.  Win 4 games and win the NC.
Rose, Sugar, and Orange rotate being the NCG and the semis.  Fiesta, Cotton, Citrus, and Holiday? are the quarterfinals.  First round games are at higher-ranked team's home field.
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Here's the fun part, though.  
1st round winners CHOOSE where they want to play, in order of highest ranking.  Orlando, Dallas, San Diego, or Phoenix.
Top 4 are happy.  But lower 4 get to pick who they play.  So they're somewhat happy.
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Same with the Semis.  Depending on which pair aren't the NCG, NOLA/Pasadena, Miami/NOLA, or Pasadena/Miami.
Same with lower-ranked pair.....they choose their opponent.
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Since we're not ever going to go backward, just get nuts.  This would be MASSIVE and all the Toilet Bowls from El Paso or wherever can go to hell.  
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2022, 06:33:31 PM
It's kind of fun.  The 1-16 aspect familiarity will appeal to people who love March Madness.
The where/who will they play aspect is interesting.  Underdog teams would always be last at the trough, which is a good thing, imo.
2022 (with some upsets thrown in, to illustrate)
16 LSU loses @ 1 UGA
9 PSU loses @ 8 USC
12 Wash loses @ 5 Bama
13 FSU loses @ 4 OSU
6 Tenn loses to 11 KSU
14 Tulane loses @ 3 TCU
7 Utah loses to 10 Clemson
15 Oregon loses @ 2 UM
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UGA has first choice of playing in Fiesta, Holiday, Citrus, or Cotton.
1 UGA chooses Citrus.
2 UM chooses Cotton.
3 TCU chooses Fiesta (would love Cotton, but smartly avoids UM for now).
4 OSU "stuck with" Holiday.
5 Bama chooses Cotton.
6 and 7 lost already, remember.
8 USC chooses Holiday, right down I-5.
10 Clemson chooses Citrus.
11 KSU "stuck with" Fiesta.
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UGA over Clemson
Bama over UM
OSU over USC
KSU over TCU
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Now we've got the Sugar and Orange as the semifinals.  RB is the NCG.
1 UGA chooses Sugar (tradition, fans can drive (closer than Miami, actually).
2 and 3 lost (just for sake of upsets, I don't think they'd actually lose).
4 OSU chooses Orange.
5 Bama chooses Sugar.
11 KSU "stuck with" Orange.
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1 UGA vs 4 OSU in RB for NC. 
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2022, 11:22:29 PM
Nobody is travelling to 3 consecutive bowl games.

That's why I like my initial proposal, reduce bowls, and make the selection criteria both for inclusion and tiers mandatory.

Everyone always says "if you don't like the extra bowls, don't watch them."  Except, it makes the regular season meaningless, once you are out of the CFP race.  If you are even halfway decent, you make a bowl, so bowl selection doesn't matter.  Plus, bowl selection is based on moving teams around, and eyeballs, so it's not like winning extra games puts you in a better bowl.

This makes getting to a bowl something more selective, and each better bowl, by definition, more elite.  So, how do you make them "matter"?  So I've got 5 tiers of bowls.  The top tier doubles as a quarterfinals.  No need to add incentive there.  What if winning a Tier 2 bowl earns you an extra scholarship, or 4.  Tier 3 = 3.  Tier 4 = 2.  Tier 5 = 1.  I'd care a whole lot then.  Or you also tiered the payouts, and that money didn't go into some conference pot, or to the school.  It went directly into your schools NIL fund?

Still wouldn't fix the opt out situation, but I'm thinking out loud here
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: FearlessF on December 21, 2022, 10:11:45 AM
Quote from: ELA on December 20, 2022, 11:22:29 PM
Nobody is travelling to 3 consecutive bowl games.


do you mean playoff games?

this is true
This is why at least the first round should be done on campus.  Better seed gets the home field.  We all want to see the better teams advance anyway.  The cinderella is just a little more of an underdog and therefore more desirable.
The home fans might go to the home game and one other playoff game

the underdogs might go to the first round expecting to not make the second. 

as for the lower tier bowls, who cares?  I enjoyed the games yesterday and it seemed the players and coaches did too.
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: ELA on December 21, 2022, 10:19:54 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on December 21, 2022, 10:11:45 AM
do you mean playoff games?

this is true
Correct
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: FearlessF on December 21, 2022, 10:34:18 AM
I wouldn't have a playoff a tall, unless it was simply a matchup of undefeateds after the bowls, such as 1994 PSU-UNL or 1997 MU-UNL

but if it were a playoff two rounds is plenty
TCU travels to Michigan, Ohio State travels to Georgia

winners meet in Pasadena, or Miami, or Tempe, or New Orleans, or Atlanta, or Vegas

more rounds?  more home games

talk about incentive to get in the playoffs with a higher seed?!?!?
another home game!!!  ticket sales, hotels, bars, local $$$.  Share 50% of the gate with the visitor and keep all the local revenue!

the only game at a neutral site is the final
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 21, 2022, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: ELA on December 20, 2022, 11:22:29 PM
Nobody is travelling to 3 consecutive bowl games.

How many are actually travelling to 2?
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: FearlessF on December 21, 2022, 02:13:17 PM
not many if both are not within driving distance
Title: Re: 2022 What-If Bowl Scenarios
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 21, 2022, 06:32:57 PM
So let's stop pretending actual fans are traveling to these games.  They're for corporate people and normal, non-wealthy fans can't afford them.  
Whether it's 2 or 3 or 10, doesn't matter.  
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Anyway, going to 16 is just before it's time.  2 wasn't enough, then it's 4.  4 wasn't enough, now it's 12.  16 is inevitable.  If for no other reason than $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.