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Title: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 19, 2022, 11:31:29 AM
Offense:
QB- Hendon Hooker, Tennessee
RB - Blake Corum, Michigan 
RB- Chase Brown, Illinois
WR- Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
WR- Rome Odunze, Washington
TE- Michael Mayer, Notre Dame 
OT- Paris Johnson Jr., Ohio State
OT- Peter Skoronski, Northwestern 
OG- O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida
OG- Chandler Zavala, NC State
OC- Olu Oluwatimi, Michigan 

Defense: 
DE- Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
DE- Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State 
DT- Mazi Smith, Michigan
DT- Tuli Tuipulotu, USC 
LB- Will Anderson, Alabama
LB- Ivan Pace, Cincinnati
LB- Jack Campbell, Iowa 
CB- Clark Phillips, Utah
CB- Emmanuel Forbes, Miss State
S- Jammie Robinson, Florida State
S- Erick Hallett, Pitt 

thoughts?
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 19, 2022, 11:41:16 AM
2nd Team

Offense:
QB- CJ Stroud, Ohio State
RB- Bijan Robinson, Texas
RB- Zach Charbonnet, UCLA 
WR- Rashee Rice, SMU 
WR- Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee
TE- Brock Bowers, Georgia 
OT- Jordan McFadden, Clemson
OT- Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu, Oregon 
OG- Nick Broeker, Ole Miss
OG- Steve Avilla, TCU 
OC- Jacob Gall, Baylor 

Defense:
DE- Myles Murphy, Clemson
DE- Mike Morris, Michigan
DT- Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois
DT- Calijah Kancey, Pitt 
LB- Drew Sanders, Arkansas
LB- Jamon Dumas-Johnson, Georgia
LB- Laiatu Latu, UCLA
CB- Dwight McGlothern, Arkansas
CB- Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
S- Jordan Battle, Alabama
S- Christopher Smith, Georgia
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Abba on October 19, 2022, 12:23:08 PM
Seems like a reasonable list.  A few points:

- I would probably move Bowers to first team TE.  
- Has Will Anderson actually been dominant, or is he living off of last year's hype?  
- I feel like Eichenberg should probably be on the 2nd team list.
- Somebody from the PSU secondary should be on here.  Probably Joey Porter Jr.
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 19, 2022, 12:36:07 PM
Seems like a reasonable list.  A few points:

- I would probably move Bowers to first team TE. 
- Has Will Anderson actually been dominant, or is he living off of last year's hype? 
- I feel like Eichenberg should probably be on the 2nd team list.
- Somebody from the PSU secondary should be on here.  Probably Joey Porter Jr.
Mayer has little bit better stats than Bowers. Will Anderson has 11 TFL and 5 sacks midway through the season- I'd say he's deserving of his spot. Not sure I agree on Eichenberg....he's been pretty damn good though. Joey Porter Jr probably a legit snub on one of those two lists I think though. 
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Cincydawg on October 19, 2022, 01:13:00 PM
Bowers might not be the best TE on his team ...
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 19, 2022, 01:34:16 PM
Bowers might not be the best TE on his team ...
which is crazy. Not sure I've ever seen a team as loaded at TE as UGA. Maybe Miami back in the day? 

crazy to say this...but you might be able to say the same thing about Blake Corum. He might not be the best RB on his own team. Donovan Edwards is coming. 
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: grillrat on October 19, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
I think the WR's are backwards.  Egbuka and Odunze should be second team while Rice and Hyatt should be first.  And frankly, Egbuka is a stretch.  He isn't top 10 nationally in receptions, TD's, or yards.  
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: bayareabadger on October 19, 2022, 03:13:46 PM
Bowers might not be the best TE on his team ...
I think Bowers is the best TE on the team, but the other guy is almost as good, but with a higher ceiling. 
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: LittlePig on October 20, 2022, 07:57:23 AM
I would like to nominate Iowa punter Tory Taylor for All-American punter.
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 20, 2022, 12:42:48 PM
I think the WR's are backwards.  Egbuka and Odunze should be second team while Rice and Hyatt should be first.  And frankly, Egbuka is a stretch.  He isn't top 10 nationally in receptions, TD's, or yards. 
Yes- I have seen several versions of this mid year All American team that have Marvin Harrison (as opposed to Egbuka).  
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: FearlessF on October 20, 2022, 09:04:51 PM
I think the WR's are backwards.  Egbuka and Odunze should be second team while Rice and Hyatt should be first.  And frankly, Egbuka is a stretch.  He isn't top 10 nationally in receptions, TD's, or yards. 
WR - Trey Palmer - Nebraska

Trey Palmer has been not only one of the best wide receivers in the B1G, but one of the top pass-catchers in the nation this season. The Nebraska standout is something fans in Lincoln can get excited about despite another down season.

Palmer ranks first among Power 5 receivers with an 89.3 PFF grade.

Palmer has 47 receptions for 781 yards and 5 touchdowns for Nebraska this season. He finished last week with 237 yards receiving and 2 touchdowns with 60 rushing yards on the ground.

With that performance he became the first player in FBS history to amass over 225 yards receiving and 50 yards rushing in a single game.

47 for 781 5TDs  111.6 per game

and he plays on a crap team
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: FearlessF on October 20, 2022, 11:07:53 PM
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Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 21, 2022, 09:40:31 AM
Bowers is the best TE on his team because he's the best TE in the country.  
If he wasn't the best TE on his team, he wouldn't be starting, would he.  
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2022, 09:46:36 AM
Bowers is the best TE on his team because he's the best TE in the country. 
If he wasn't the best TE on his team, he wouldn't be starting, would he. 
You may not realize that Washington is starting also, they play a 12 or 13 often.

And I noted he MIGHT not be the best TE on the team.  Washington has some physical attributes Bowers simply doesn't have.  Bowers has more yards receiving and Washington has a better average per.

Anyway, the both seem quite adept.  I don't really get into splitting hairs and worrying who is better.  It depends on the situation.
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: MrNubbz on October 21, 2022, 09:47:09 AM
which is crazy. Not sure I've ever seen a team as loaded at TE as UGA.
Somewhere Bill Belichick is having fantasies
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: FearlessF on October 21, 2022, 10:18:35 AM
check the Iowa Hawkeyes TEs a few seasons ago
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: ELA on October 21, 2022, 12:18:49 PM
I would like to nominate Iowa punter Tory Taylor for All-American punter.
Big Ten is loaded at punter.  You could argue they have the three best in the nation, between Taylor, Barringer and Amor
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 21, 2022, 12:27:04 PM
Bowers is the best TE on his team because he's the best TE in the country. 
If he wasn't the best TE on his team, he wouldn't be starting, would he. 
this is a logical fallacy. coaches play favorites with one guy over another for this reason or that- they misjudge and misevaluate talent all the time. why? they are human beings. they are not infallible geniuses. they make mistakes with personnel. a lot. the best player isn't always the one starting. 
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Cincydawg on October 21, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
Both TEs basically start and play about the same number of downs, in part because of injuries to two key wide outs.  I don't think they view one as better than the other in any respect.  Washington has made some highlight level grabs this year.

Darnell Washington levels up for Georgia football: ‘It’s like throwing it into the Pacific Ocean’ (dawgnation.com) (https://www.dawgnation.com/football/sunday-reader/georgia-football-darnell-washington-pacific-ocean/VISSCJQ3VNE4JPFZSTZVFC4FEA/)

Who is better?  I'd lean to Bowers, but it's not an easy call.
Title: Re: Halfway Point All-American Team (per The Athletic)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 21, 2022, 02:08:26 PM
Bowers is freaky explosive for a TE at the college level, but Washington just might wind up being the better NFL prospect though. Dude gives off serious Gronk Lite vibes. He's just a behemoth of a human being and an insane mismatch with his size, length, and strength. He's the only TE in FBS by PFF with an 80+ grade in both pass catching and blocking. He can straight up bully defenders in the run game and in pass pro with his blocking and he's just too big and too strong for smaller defensive backs to try and cover him.