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Title: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 11:51:01 AM
Fox has the coverage at 4PM Eastern.

The Badgers are banged up all over the field. Last week was the 5th different OL combination in 6 games. They responded well to the task, and it was by far the best performance they have had this season.

RB is now thinner with the loss of Chez Mellusi, who was RB2. Backup QB is a true freshman. TE room is really thin.

Sounds like MSU is pretty banged up too.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on October 10, 2022, 11:57:09 AM
Sparty hasn't much in the way of a pass defense.  It could be another career day for Mertz.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: bayareabadger on October 10, 2022, 12:20:28 PM
God it sucks to lose Chez. He’s a really nice second tailback. 

I had weekend plans canceled, so I guess I’m gonna go to Badger bar to watch this. Need to delve in to find reasons to be nervous.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 10, 2022, 12:21:35 PM
He’s a really nice second tailback.
I'd live with losing a #2 RB
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2022, 12:48:39 PM
yup, Huskers did.  Still beat Rutgers and Illinois
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2022, 12:50:09 PM
I'll put it here, because reasons.  
A few weeks back, I shared my surprise that MSU was around the top 10.  It was met with the normal shittiness.  

I guess my Peter-tingle was right.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 10, 2022, 12:59:57 PM
I'll put it here, because reasons. 
A few weeks back, I shared my surprise that MSU was around the top 10.  It was met with the normal shittiness. 

I guess my Peter-tingle was right.
similar to my surprise that Florida was anywhere near the top 10 after they beat a pretty meh Utah team at home on a last second fluke play in a game Florida realistically should've lost. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 02:15:12 PM
God it sucks to lose Chez. He’s a really nice second tailback.

I had weekend plans canceled, so I guess I’m gonna go to Badger bar to watch this. Need to delve in to find reasons to be nervous.
Gonna watch it at home. Over-the-air antenna comes tomorrow. Game is on Fox (somehow).
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: bayareabadger on October 10, 2022, 03:30:25 PM
I'd live with losing a #2 RB
Who all does your team have a missing these days? (i’m reading the application right at MSU was banged up?)
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 10, 2022, 04:44:40 PM
Who all does your team have a missing these days? (i’m reading the application right at MSU was banged up?)
It's all on defense.  At one point 7 of MSU's opening night starters, including the DL, LB, and DB captains were all out.  It got so bad that a true freshman who wasn't even on the travel roster (Zion Young) at Washington, was STARTING two weeks later at Maryland.

That said, the defense has been ravaged.  The offense has been largely healthy.  Jayden Reed was out, and looked well below 100% when he returned a couple weeks ago, and granted he's the best player on offense, but he's the only injury of note on that side of the ball.  So on one hand, the defense has been crushed beyond anything I can ever recall.  But the offense has basically been as healthy as you could hope for, and has scored exactly 2 TDs, both in garbage time, both with the backup QB in, over the past 3 weeks.

So, have injuries taken the defense from bad to horrible?  Seems so.  I think more from a pre-snap adjustment standpoint, considering the 3 guys responsible for that haven't finished a game since the season opener.  I think the rest of the injuries have maybe just limited depth/experience.  But would it matter with the offense underperforming this badly?  I doubt it.  Maybe the Minnesota and Maryland games would have been a little closer.  Because while Jayden Reed is the best player on the team, I would also argue that WR is the deepest position on the team, and WR is the most contingent on other positions spot on the roster.  So I don't think this offense would have looked at all better with him
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 10, 2022, 11:59:45 PM
similar to my surprise that Florida was anywhere near the top 10 after they beat a pretty meh Utah team at home on a last second fluke play in a game Florida realistically should've lost.
I don't recall you sharing that at the time.  I must have missed it.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2022, 08:26:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XN9bPLo.png)

Can Mertz keep it up now that the leash has been taken off?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 12, 2022, 08:39:07 AM
against a defense that is injured
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2022, 09:00:35 AM
I just want to see more progress. The play-calling last week sounded like it was really well planned.

Looking forward to seeing some games on TV!!
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
really interested in this game, wonder if Leonhard can keep this energy and intensity up and complete the turnaround. They smoked Northwestern last week- and that team could've quit- and I thought they would bc it was sounding like the players were NOT on board at all with Chryst being fired. If Leonhard can win out they'll have no choice but to make him the permanent head coach.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 12, 2022, 11:44:05 AM
That's the scenario I want to see.

And he'll never leave for something better. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 01:51:46 PM
More drama in the locker room this week with Logan Brown being dismissed from the team yesterday.

Another week, another opportunity to respond. Let's see how this one goes.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 13, 2022, 04:04:09 PM
Looks like the starting OL will be

LT Jack Nelson
LG Tanner Bortolini
C Joe Tippman
RG Michael Furtney
RT Trey Wedig

Tyler Beach will come in as the Jumbo TE for that package. 

RT Riley Mahlman will still likely be out. Pretty certain OT Nolan Rucci will rotate in from time to time.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 14, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
No matter the outcome, it looks like Graham Mertz will play the entire game as the staff would like to redshirt the true freshman backup. They do have a true freshman walk-on they could use, I guess.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 14, 2022, 02:15:09 PM
No matter the outcome, it looks like Graham Mertz will play the entire game as the staff would like to redshirt the true freshman backup. They do have a true freshman walk-on they could use, I guess.
Is he already at 4 games?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 14, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
No, he's played in only two so far, but I think they want to save him as much as possible in case Mertz goes down late in the season.

They don't want 2018, when Horni was concussed and Coan had to burn his shirt for the bowl game.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 14, 2022, 06:03:03 PM

Wisconsin Badgers (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State Spartans (0-3, 2-4)
4:00 - East Lansing, MI - FOX
Remembering the run where these schools were battling for control of the conference, and then how long they spent as reliable 8 win teams, how far both have fallen, this quickly, is surprising.  Granted it's only a 3 game sample size, but the fact that they rank #13 and #14 in scoring defense in the conference is a big part of the problem.  Both are already looking to the future, in different ways.  Michigan State invested heavily in a head coach, not based on what he had done, but on the talent he was bringing in.  Wisconsin quit on their 2022 roster, with hopes of salvaging something better for the future.  The jury is still out on both decisions.  The season appears lost for Michigan State, but as long as the recruiting class stays in place, the investment might still work out.  The first game of Jim Leonhard's head coaching career was also strong, but Northwestern is the lowest ranked Big Ten team I can find in the Massey composite.  They are #115.  #117 is a Western Michigan team that Michigan State blew out.  So take away the Power 5 status, and that Northwestern win is an bad as any FBS win.  They are ranked one spot below a 3-4 UConn team.  Both teams have underwhelmed on the offensive lines.  While Wisconsin's is perhaps more surprising, I think there is more room for them to fix the situation.  Kenneth Walker III made this offensive line, which was severely under talented last year, look a lot better, with better vision than I can recall seeing out of a college back.  That has flipped 180 degrees, and the main backs this year, Berger and Broussard, have well below acceptable.  That has made it how obvious the OL deficiencies are for Michigan State.  Wisconsin is too weak on the outside to beat more talented teams, but MSU couldn't beat Maryland or Minnesota in a phone booth.
WISCONSIN 26, MICHIGAN STATE 24

Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: bayareabadger on October 14, 2022, 11:50:16 PM
No, he's played in only two so far, but I think they want to save him as much as possible in case Mertz goes down late in the season.

They don't want 2018, when Horni was concussed and Coan had to burn his shirt for the bowl game.
Amusing how that didn't end up mattering. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Abba on October 15, 2022, 07:49:01 AM
What was the story on why Mertz started over Coan in 2020?  A lingering injury?
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2022, 08:05:49 AM
What was the story on why Mertz started over Coan in 2020?  A lingering injury?
Coan was injured. Then he was told that Mertz was the QB of the future. Then he transferred to Notre Dame and beat Wisconsin the next year.

It worked out great.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: bayareabadger on October 15, 2022, 08:26:54 AM
Coan was injured. Then he was told that Mertz was the QB of the future. Then he transferred to Notre Dame and beat Wisconsin the next year.

It worked out great.
Badge! This is history of the revisionist short. 

The thing played out in the only way it could. Coan wanted guarantees he'd start. He was not given them. And he shouldn't have been given them, first because earn your job and second becuase you'd trigger a transfer.

The issues with this is that if it goes the other way, we're still complaining all over. Mertz was entering Year 3. If the best QB recruit in school history isn't starting in Year 3 because a game manager who isn't supposed to be there is starting and then he (reasonably) transfers out, people would be slagging on Chryst until kingdom come. 

Jack Coan was a very nice QB. But had he not gotten hurt, he would've spent 2020 hearing he should be benched. Sending the guy everyone wanted him benched for packing after an abbreviated season, it just wasn't the smart choice.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2022, 08:46:14 AM
Yep, everyone wanted Mertz to start, but mostly everyone forgot that Coan got the team to the CCG and Rose Bowl in 2019. 

Or maybe it was because he had the best tailback to ever play in Madison...
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 15, 2022, 09:30:45 AM
https://twitter.com/SPARTANTIQUES/status/1581273873596633090?t=GjNsVmVoq2j-mT13nWikpA&s=19
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 15, 2022, 09:53:05 AM
I didn't know that he played for Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2022, 10:55:55 AM
Yep. He interviewed when Chryst was ultimately hired. Played for KBA.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2022, 03:31:00 PM
Quite a few key parts are out today.

(https://i.imgur.com/fXExiRE.png)
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on October 15, 2022, 11:57:57 PM
I am starting to come to grips with the probability Coach Bielema could lead another Big Ten team to a divisional title.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-2, 3-3) at Michigan State (0-3, 2-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 16, 2022, 07:45:45 AM
I am starting to come to grips with the probability Coach Bielema could lead another Big Ten team to a divisional title.
This would be his first.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 16, 2022, 07:46:36 AM
Very crappy game to watch. I wish I didn't.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 16, 2022, 08:11:19 AM
Mistook you for a Bama Fan
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 16, 2022, 03:37:11 PM
At kid's travel baseball all weekend, so just watching it now DVRd.  I wasn't sure MSU could win if they capitalized on all of their chances.  Instead they committed a million stupid penalties, and dropped three easy interceptions, and screwed up yet another FG snap.  Last week was the first week Reed was even close to 100%, and seeing him at 100% this week, it's clear how damn good he is.  When he got hurt, I said I thought WR was our deepest position, so as good as he was, it wasn't as big a deal as it seemed.  I was very wrong.  He's not just our best offensive player, he's that by a mile.  Him in there completely changes this offense.  I did say Xavier Henderson's presence is a game changer, and I was right about that.  Even fully healthy, which his full leg cast, and leaving the field after every contact proves he's not, he's never the most physically talented on the field.  But he's the defensive captain for a reason.  Even a decade ago, he would be expendable.  Dantonio famously didn't even trust Cousins to audible at the line.  And that wasn't out of whack for the time.  Now, third string, true freshmen QBs are expected to read the defense pre-snap.  Losing 7 starters is never good, but the problem was the guy at each level responsible for adjustments (Slade, Snow, Henderson) were all out.  A pretty solid MSU Twitter account broke down how Tanner Morgan adjusted at the the line every play, and MSU did not.  This still is not a good defense, but in 2022 college football, if you aren't adjusting at the line, you can't do anything.  The presnap adjustments are something we haven't seen since the WMU game
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: LittlePig on October 16, 2022, 03:50:40 PM
This would be his first.
Except for when Wisconsin won the Leaders Division in 2011.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2022, 03:56:21 PM
didn't really win it

two teams disqualified
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 16, 2022, 05:21:20 PM
didn't really win it

two teams disqualified
That was 2012.  He won it legitimately in 2011
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 16, 2022, 08:39:31 PM
Only because Luke Fickel got out coached by everyone but Bert.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 07:47:53 AM
Except for when Wisconsin won the Leaders Division in 2011.
Memory not as good anymore. I was thinking the first CCG was 2012, that he didn't actually win.

Still trying to figure out how Bert lost two games in 2011.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 17, 2022, 08:50:53 AM
Memory not as good anymore. I was thinking the first CCG was 2012, that he didn't actually win.

Still trying to figure out how Bert lost two games in 2011.
Took 2 Russell Wilson interceptions, a blocked punt to set up a touchdown, and a hail mary for a good MSU team to barely beat them at home
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on October 17, 2022, 08:56:41 AM
Memory not as good anymore. I was thinking the first CCG was 2012, that he didn't actually win.

Still trying to figure out how Bert lost two games in 2011.
So-so defense that lacked high-level talent up front and in the back end. 

Also, OSU’ defense bowed up something fierce and put them in position to make a couple plays late. It’s wild to think that OSU game maybe stood between reality and two-time national champ Les Miles. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on October 17, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
UW was a JJ Watt away that season. Man, if only he had stayed. Can't blame him though.
Title: Re: Wisconsin (1-3, 3-4) at Michigan State (1-3, 3-4) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on October 17, 2022, 09:56:30 AM
UW was a JJ Watt away that season. Man, if only he had stayed. Can't blame him though.
I remember I stood next to him at one point a few seasons before. And he was a good player, but not one that we knew would be great.

All I could think was, this is what a big NFL defensive end looks like, huh?