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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on October 08, 2022, 08:10:44 PM
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Here are last weeks rankings:
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-5-30535/
Votes through me, 12 voters:
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Drop the high and low for each team:
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Schedule/performance chart:
(https://i.imgur.com/1UO5rNw.png)
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Illinois
5. Minnesota
6. Purdue
7. Maryland
8. Wisconsin
9. Iowa
10. Indiana
11. Michigan State
12. Nebraska
13. Rutgers
14. Northwest
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1) Ohio State - Score is closer than it was.
2) Michigan - Woke up in the 2nd half
3) Penn State - Bye
4) Purdue - Favorite in the West
5) Minnesota - Bye
6) Maryland - Many missed opportunities
7) Illinois - Nice win, but offense did not impress
8) Iowa - Almost stole one.
9) Wisconsin - Get right game.
10) Nebraska - Not pretty, but 2 straight wins
11) Michigan State - Great DTs and you've got Jayden Reed. Not much else.
12) Indiana - Offense ran out of gas
13) Rutgers - Have to figure out the QB situation
14 Northwestern - This is classic 1980s Northwestern.
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- Ohio State - tOSU recorded a TD on every possession of the first team offense including a TD for MSU. The offense is coming into form, however I am concerned with the DB's. Too many mistakes and boneheaded plays.
- Michigan - Looked to be sleepwalking in the first half. They are allowing inferior teams to hang around to long which may bite them sometime.
- Penn State - Bye week
- Illinois - While the offense was held in check, the defense was lights out.
- Minnesota - Bye week
- Purdue - Good win @Maryland
- Maryland - Can still have a good season after a close loss.
- Wisconsin - Played a great game. But maybe Northwestern had a lot to do with that.
- Iowa - Keeping them this high based solely on their defense. The offense is looking up at hot garbage. Seriously, the D gave them the ball at the 3 yard line going in and STILL only managed a FG. Pathetic.
- Indiana - Hung with ttun for a half and then reality set in.
- Nebraska - This this point, I think they could be MSU on a neuteral field.
- Michigan State - They had one decent drive highlighted by a couple of drive extending fouls on the OSU defense.
- Rutgers - Played well against Nebby for as long as I stayed awake. Had to check the score in the morning.
- Northwestern - I think they have cemented themselves at the bottom of my list.
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1) Ohio State - clear cut #1 so far. JSN hasn't even played yet and that offense is lighting people up. Scary.
2) Michigan - the defense is rounding into form and pass rushers are emerging and JJ getting more and more experience.
3) Penn State - that elite freshman RB duo has given that offense some life. very damn good team.
4) Purdue - should win the west if they can learn from this game how to close out tight ball games
5) Illinois - think they'll battle Purdue for control of the west. Brown is a stud RB and Bert has them playing solid D.
6) Maryland - they have a real nice O, but their defense is unfortunately still pretty bad.
7) Minnesota - almost here by default.
8) Wisconsin - statement bounce back win. Leonhard may just turn that ship around.
9) Iowa - if Iowa had an even average offense they'd be #4 or 5 team in this conference. They make playing offense offensive.
10) Nebraska - don't look now but they are on a little winning streak since firing Frost.
11) Michigan State - a lot has gone wrong for them this year, just one of those really down years for Sparty unfortunately.
12) Indiana - their coach is a dickbag.
13) Rutgers - they suck.
14 Northwestern - they suck more.
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Cannot participate again as I didn't see anything. Only followed on my phone.
Ratings so far seem to be in line with my thinking though.
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Well going to keep the top 4 in place as all won & The Lions off a bye are headed to Ann Arbor - who is indeed a whore
1)BUCKEYES
2)Mdot,err,Michigan
3)PSU
4)Bert waiting for someone to drop
5)Purdue playing well where's Bwarb? Beat the Terps on the road so that takes care of that
6)Minny moves up
7)Maryland drops a close one but still 4-2
8)Iowa best of the rest right now
9)UW won when they had to
10)UNL as pointed out above 2nd straight win and have already defeated the next in line
11) Hoosiers lost handily to the no 4 team in the country
12)S.U,N.J.
13)MSU,injuries have been excessive
14) Wildcats hopefully not returning to the perennial old days & ways
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1. OSU
2. Mich
3. PSU
4. Minn
5. Purdue
6. MD
7. ILL
8. Iowa
9. WISC
10. MSU
11. Neb
12. Rut
13. Ind
14. NW
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Looks like everyone has the same teams 4-7, but in many different orders.
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Illinois
- Purdue
- Maryland
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Wisconsin
- Nebraska
- Rutgers
- Indiana
- Michigan State
- Northwestern
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Illinois
5. Minnesota
6. Purdue
7. Maryland
8. Wisconsin
9. Iowa
10. Indiana
11. Michigan State
12. Nebraska
13. Rutgers
14. Northwest
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I think my number 14 would be orthwester.
Bad enough to lose the "N" on both sides.
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1. OSU
2. Mich
3. PSU
4. Minn
5. Purdue
6. ILL
7. MD
8. Wisc
9. Iowa
10. Neb
11. MSU
12. Rut
13. Ind
14. NW
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Looks like everyone has the same teams 4-7, but in many different orders.
I honestly did not want to put anybody #4. I am not sure if any team is worthy at this time. I kinda reverserved myself and moved Minn above both MD and Purdue because both looked like they wanted to lose last week. It was hard to move ILL up too because they were 1 inch from losing to Iowa on a scoop and score.
I am not even completely sold on PSU yet, at #3 despite their big win over Auburn, but they will get their chance soon enough to prove themselves.
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SP+ Week 6 B1G Rankings
1) Ohio State (30.4) - #1 nationally
No. 1 offense, No. 8 defense, No. 93 special teams
2) Michigan (25.4) - #4 nationally
No. 8 offense, No. 9 defense, No. 3 special teams
3) Minnesota (16.8) - #11 nationally
No. 43 offense, No. 5 defense, No. 66 special teams
4) Penn State (15.7) - #14 nationally
No. 46 offense, No. 6 defense, No. 68 special teams
5) Purdue (13.1) - #21 nationally
No. 30 offense, No. 21 defense, No. 104 special teams
6) Maryland (13.0) - #22 nationally
No. 16 offense, No. 51 defense, No. 6 special teams
7) Wisconsin (11.5) - #28 nationally
No. 55 offense, No. 15 defense, No. 70 special teams
8) Iowa (11.2) - #29 nationally
No. 102 offense, No. 1 defense, No. 9 special teams
9) Illinois (9.7) - #34 nationally
No. 91 offense, No. 4 defense, No. 92 special teams
10) Michigan State (3.5) - #58 nationally
No. 53 offense, No. 63 defense, No. 125 special teams
11) Nebraska (0.9) - #67 nationally
No. 60 offense, No. 68 defense, No. 128 special teams
12) Rutgers (-0.7) - #73 nationally
No. 107 offense, No. 25 defense, No. 41 special teams
13) Indiana (-4.6) - #84 nationally
No. 92 offense, No. 73 defense, No. 32 special teams
14) Northwestern (-9.4) - #98 nationally
No. 111 offense, No. 71 defense, No. 126 special teams
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1) Ohio State
2) Michigan
3) Minnesota
4) Penn State
5) Purdue
6) Maryland
7) Illinois
8) Wisconsin
9) Iowa
10) Michigan State
11) Nebraska
12) Rutgers
13) Indiana
14) Northwestern
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Lmao. That is terrific. Both the meme and that movie. That was Johnny Depp at his best. Honestly it was the only good Pirates movie. Haven't seen them all- but saw the original 3. The two sequels were pretty MEH maybe even bad- but that first movie and his performance- god damn was it incredible. He should've won the Oscar for that. He got jobbed if you ask me.
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I actually watched it and enjoyed it
haven't seen the sequels
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Purdue
- Illinois
- Maryland
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Wisconsin
- Michigan State
- Nebraska
- Rutgers
- Indiana
- Northwestern
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My prior rankings are in parentheses in chronological order from most recent at L to preseason at R:
- Ohio State (1,1,2,1,1,1), Looked pretty "meh" and won by 29 on the road.
- Michigan (2,3,3,2,2,2), At this point they look better than PSU and not as good as tOSU, big test this weekend!
- Penn State (3,2,1,3,4,4), Big test this weekend!
- Illinois (7,11,10,10,13,9), Really you could argue for any order for #4 though #7. All four teams have good and bad performances on their resume's. At this point I'm just writing off Illinois' baffling loss in Bloomington and saying they look like #4 now.
- Minnesota (4,4,4,5,6,8), I might as well leave the Gophers here and figure that we'll find out this weekend.
- Purdue (6,9,7,7,7,7), Playing Nebraska this weekend for first in the B1G-W!
- Maryland (5,5,8,8,9,12), Tough loss. Still, the Terps are 4-2/1-2 and have the two worst teams in the league followed by a week off. Maryland *SHOULD* achieve bowl eligibility in October!
- Iowa (8,7,11,11,8,6), I still don't know what to think of Iowa. Their defense is so good that they kept it close with Michigan and are a credible threat to upset anyone including tOSU in Columbus in a couple weeks. Conversely, their offense is so bad that anyone is a credible threat to beat them and they could easily lose at home to Northwestern the week after playing in Columbus.
- Wisconsin (9,6,5,6,3,3), Maybe the big win over Northwestern was just what they needed? If they can beat Michigan State this weekend they'll quietly be within a game of the B1G-W leaders.
- Nebraska (12,13,14,14,14,14), Crawling out of the cellar one win at a time. Two weeks ago they beat Indiana so I moved them ahead of the Hoosiers. Last week they beat Rutgers so I moved them ahead of the Scarlet Knights. Now they are traveling to Purdue for a match-up of two of the three co-leaders in the B1G-W. If they win and Minnesota beats Illinois, the Cornhuskers will be alone in first place in the B1G-W.
- Michigan State (10,8,6,4,5,5), What a change a year makes. If they can't beat Wisconsin this weekend (and I don't think they can), they'll probably be 2-7 when Rutgers visits in mid-November.
- Rutgers (11,10,9,9,10,13), That was a devastating loss. The Scarlet Knights are still .500 at 3-3 overall and they host Indiana next weekend which should be win #4 but getting to six wins and bowl eligibility is a stretch goal at this point.
- Indiana (13,12,12,12,12,10), How on earth did this team manage to beat Illinois?
- Northwestern (14,14,13,13,11,11), Honestly, 14th simply isn't low enough of a ranking for this team.
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Votes through me, 12 voters:
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Drop the high and low for each team:
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Schedule/performance chart:
(https://i.imgur.com/CJOjZAe.png)
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Chart of relative performance against B1G opponents:
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Explanation of the above:
Penn State and Minnesota have played two B1G games each. The other 12 B1G teams have played three games each. What I have done above is to rank the performances against each team based solely on margin of victory/defeat. For the 12 teams that have played three opponents, those are simply ranked 1, 2, 3. For the teams that have only played two opponents they are ranked 1.5 and 2.5 (on the theory that if they HAD played three the best would either be 1 or 2 and the worst would either by 2 or 3). So a few examples:
Against Ohio State:
- MSU lost by 29
- UW lost by 31
- RU lost by 39
Against Michigan:
- UMD lost by 7
- Iowa lost by 13
- IU lost by 21
Against Rutgers:
- tOSU won by 39
- Iowa won by 17
- UNL won by 1
Against Northwestern:
- UW won by 35
- PSU won by 10
- UNL lost by 3
Then, as you can see above, I've calculated the average for each B1G team. The disadvantage is that obviously I am applying no "eye test" and I'm not adjusting for weather or injury or anything like that. The other disadvantage (at least early in the season) is that schedules aren't balanced so it is possible that your team might be third because that opponent's other two opponents were two REALLY good teams or that your team might be first only because that opponent's other two opponents were two REALLY bad teams. The advantage is that this is purely and 100% objective. So here are the rankings based on this method:
- 1 Ohio State
- 1 (tie) Michigan
- 1.5 Penn State
- 1.67 Purdue
- 2 Maryland
- 2 (tie) Iowa
- 2 (tie) Wisconsin
- 2.17 Michigan State
- 2.17 (tie) Northwestern
- 2.33 Illinois
- 2.33 (tie) Indiana
- 2.5 Minnesota
- 2.67 Nebraska
- 2.67 (tie) Rutgers
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Last week in parentheses
- OHIO STATE (1) - and still missing some of their biggest weapons
- PENN STATE (2) - battle for #2 in Ann Arbor
- MICHIGAN (3) - see above
- PURDUE (5) - road warriors
- MARYLAND (4) - tough way to lose
- MINNESOTA (6) - bye week
- ILLINOIS (8) - tried so many times to give the game away...
- IOWA (7) - ...but the Hawkeyes wouldn't take it
- WISCONSIN (10) - showed life, but Northwestern might finish last in the MAC
- MICHIGAN STATE (9) - well, at least that's over
- NEBRASKA (11) - suddenly bowl eligibility is back on the table
- INDIANA (12) - defense did all it could do, but OL never gave them a prayer
- RUTGERS (13) - crushing blow to bowl hopes
- NORTHWESTERN (14) - starting to rival the worst Rutgers teams as the worst Big Ten team in memory
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Composite computer rankings (84 rankings - last week in parenthesis)
- Georgia (2)
- Alabama (1)
- OHIO STATE (3)
- Clemson (4)
- Tennessee (8)
- MICHIGAN (5)
- Ole Miss (6)
- USC (10)
- PENN STATE (7)
- TCU (9)
- Mississippi State (11)
- Oklahoma State (12)
- Texas (20)
- Oregon (16)
- UCLA (17)
- Wake Forest (18)
- Kansas State (15)
- NC State (19)
- Utah (14)
- ILLINOIS (-)
- Syracuse (25)
- LSU (13)
- Notre Dame (-)
- PURDUE (-)
- Kansas (23)
- 27. Maryland (24)
- 32. Minnesota (29)
- 52. Iowa (42)
- 54. Wisconsin (60)
- 73. Indiana (73)
- 74. Michigan State (64)
- 86. Nebraska (88)
- 88. Rutgers (80)
- 115. Northwestern (104)
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My prior rankings are in parentheses in chronological order from most recent at L to preseason at R:
Iowa (8,7,11,11,8,6), I still don't know what to think of Iowa. Their defense is so good that they kept it close with Michigan and are a credible threat to upset anyone including tOSU in Columbus in a couple weeks. Conversely, their offense is so bad that anyone is a credible threat to beat them and they could easily lose at home to Northwestern the week after playing in Columbus.
Iowa is not a credible threat to beat Ohio State. And, it would be difficult to believe they could "easily" lose to Northwestern. I agree with your posts elsewhere that B.F. reports to the Iowa A.D., and the Iowa A.D. can terminate him or demote him. The Iowa A.D. is way too slow on pulling the string.
Bobby Stoops played at Iowa. Stoops saw how difficult it was for Bobby Commings, Jr. playing QB for his dad at Iowa when things went south. For sale signs were placed in the yard of the Commings home. Commings was run out of Iowa City. For this reason Stoops said he would not coach his kids at the college level. His kid Drake Stoops went to Oklahoma University. Bobby Stoops kept his word. Maybe Bobby was ready to retire young. He hired his brother Mike Stoops so there was some nepotism in his hiring practice, too.
Kirk Ferentz did things differently. K.F. coached Brian and James Ferentz. K.F. hired Brian as a position coach, then promoted him to offensive coordinator, which I thought at the time could be a bad move, and it was. K.F. endangered his legacy, and his son's football coaching career, with this hire. There was no reason not to let Brian coach elsewhere based on merit selection, or non-selection. There are several football coaching levels ranging from middle school, high school, D-III, NAIA, D-II, FCS, and FBS. This seems to have been an effort to groom his son to be the next Iowa head coach, and it was unsuccessful, and hurtful. If B.F. were successful at a lower level and moved up, that would have been more credible. This was not credible.
I could see Bobby Stoops coaching again if the right offer presented.
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Iowa is not a credible threat to beat Ohio State. And, it would be difficult to believe they could "easily" lose to Northwestern.
That was a slight exaggeration on both ends. My point is simply that Iowa's championship caliber defense makes them a threat even against very good teams while their personification-of-the-downside-of-nepotism OC makes even very bad teams a threat to them. The best and worst teams that Iowa has played are probably Michigan and FCS SoDakSt respectively. Here is what I mean:
Against the Wolverines:
Midway through the fourth quarter Iowa had the ball inside the Michigan 10 yard line while trailing 20-7. If they had punched that in it would have been 20-14 late in the game. Then anything can happen. Iowa was in that game right up until Petras' pass on 4th and 2 from the Michigan 6 went for . . . one yard.
Against the Jackrabbits:
The Hawkeyes won 7-3. This being Iowa the 7 wasn't a TD and an XP like you would expect for most teams but a FG and two safeties. Given that SoDakSt only gained 120 yards all game and that their FG came off an INT it would be easy to say that SoDakSt wasn't really a threat to beat Iowa but I disagree. The MoV was only four points so literally one play flips the game.
LIke you, I'm fairly confident that Ohio State will beat Iowa and that Iowa will beat Northwestern but I also think that both games will be within two scores in the second half and that is close enough that a few lucky bounces and a turnover or two for the underdog *COULD* flip it.
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Lmao. That is terrific. Both the meme and that movie. That was Johnny Depp at his best. Honestly it was the only good Pirates movie. Haven't seen them all- but saw the original 3. The two sequels were pretty MEH maybe even bad- but that first movie and his performance- god damn was it incredible. He should've won the Oscar for that. He got jobbed if you ask me.
He said the Pirate character was loosely based on Keith Richards which seems pretty spot on