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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on October 01, 2022, 10:34:45 PM
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Link to last week's rankings:
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-4-30411/
Votes through me, 15 voters:
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Drop the high and low for each team:
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Schedule/performance chart:
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Well, this is the time of year where we find out who is for real and who was pretending. Michigan and PSU passed their tests the last 2 weeks, not looking great but looking good enough. While Minn and Ind failed their tests yesterday. Wisc and MSU failled miserably 2 weeks in a row.
The west looks completely wide open with 6 teams tied for first at 1-1 and Wisc all alone in last place at 0-2. This could be the first time somebody wins a Big Ten division with 3 or more losses. Could Purdue or ILL be the new favorite to pull it out?
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1. Ohio State should be AP poll #1 as well. The Buckeyes have not looked vulnerable this year unlike Alabama and Georgia. The fact that most of the #1 votes will go to the two SEC teams kind of pisses me off. Yes, Ohio State still sucks irregardless of their ranking.
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Purdue
5. Maryland
6. Illinois
7. Minnesota
8. Iowa
9. Wisconsin
10. Michigan State
11. Nebraska
12. Indiana
13. Northwestern
14. Rutgers
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1. OSU - blowing out Wisc not looking so impressive now, but OSU still looking like the complete team
2. Mich - passed another test by winning in Iowa City. Blake Corum is looking like the real deal. Great at finding holes in the lines that most backs would not.
3. PSU - not looking great but they are winning.
4. MD - dominates MSU and only loss is @ Mich by 7.
5. Purdue - finding ways to win without the passing game. Purdue or ILL could be the new favorite to win the West
6. ILL - dominates Wisc and only loss is by 3 @Ind.
7. Minn - was looking pretty good until yesterday
8. Iowa - Iowa offense is just not good enough to win Iowa any games.
9. MSU - deserves to be lower after 2 bad losses in a row
10. Wisc - see above.
11. Rutgers - I guess it's safe to say Rutgers is not one of the Big Ten's better teams.
12. Neb - finally finishes a game that is close in 4Q. Maybe there is hope yet.
13. Ind - losing to Neb does not look good on the old resume but they did beat ILL earlier.
14. NW - showing life against PSU. Maybe there is hope yet
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1)tOSU - both RU scores came from Buckeye turnovers deep in it's own territory.Solid performance from Miyan Williams 189 yds & 5 TDs
2)Meechigan - yeoman like performance grinding out scores in 4 of the first 5 possessions and winning in Kinnick
3)PSU 17-7 meh win at home,going to have to ratchet it up heading into AA
4)Illinois - a stranger to these heights and as revolting as i find him Bert has the Illini back in the mix that they have not seen in quite a while
5)Terps ahead of Gophs as IMHO a more impressive one loss
6)Minnesota,PJ,take your oar and stick it west prolly coming down to them and the Illini
7)Boilers 3-2 but both losses were close
8)Coin flip between them and no 9
9)Hoosiers beat Illinois but lost to Huskers hmm
10) RU 3-2
11)MSU
12) UW
13) UNL
14) NU
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there's no hope
beating the Hoosiers is nothing to be proud of
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Last week in parentheses
- OHIO STATE (1) - as expected
- PENN STATE (2) - as expected...?
- MICHIGAN (3) - as expected
- MARYLAND (6) - impressed with how the defense played after a slow start
- PURDUE (9) - found a way to close
- MINNESOTA (4) - as I said last week, I still wasn't sure they had played anyone
- IOWA (5) - never threatened
- ILLINOIS (11) - Wisconsin should take a look at that coach
- MICHIGAN STATE (7) - ugly
- WISCONSIN (8) - uglier
- NEBRASKA (14) - those looked like Blackshirts in the 2nd half
- INDIANA (10) - that Illinois win seems like a lifetime ago
- RUTGERS (12) - Schiano's program honestly doesn't even seem close
- NORTHWESTERN (13) - at least that's the type of loss Northwestern fans are used to
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Maryland
5. Purdue
6. Illinois
7. Minnesota
8. Iowa
9. Wisconsin
10. Michigan State
11. Nebraska
12. Indiana
13. Northwestern
14. Rutgers
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1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Penn State
4. Illinois
5. Maryland
6. Minnesota
7. Purdue
8. Iowa
9. Michigan State
10. Wisconsin
11. Nebraska
12. Indiana
13. Rutgers
14. Northwestern
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1) Ohio State - Can win many different ways.
2) Michigan - Totally controlled the game.
3) Penn State - Lucky to have an off week against the worst opponent.
4) Maryland - A win in October?
5) Illinois - Out-Wisconsing Wisconsin. A throwback team that no one wants to play.
6) Purdue - Defense is quietly pretty decent.
7) Minnesota - Losing Mo hurt them a lot. Don't want to overreact to 1 game.
8) Iowa - Some tough calls went against them in key spots. Showed a little bit of offensive spark, but their DL got dominated.
9) Wisconsin - Probably too high, but I respect the program too much to drop them further right now.
10) Michigan State - Desperately in need of a get right game.
11) Nebraska - This is what I've been expecting them to look like.
12) Indiana - Too many injuries and luck ran out
13) Rutgers - Offense is so anemic. Need crazy breaks to have a chance.
14) Northwestern - 4 takeaways not enough to steal a win over PSU.
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Maryland
- Purdue
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Wisconsin
- Illinois
- Nebraska
- Rutgers
- Michigan State
- Northwestern
- Indiana
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Purdue
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Maryland
- Illinois
- Wisconsin
- Michigan State
- Nebraska
- Indiana
- Rutgers
- Northwestern
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for Michigan- feel like you can pretty much wash the OOC slate - it was garbage - but they did what the #4 ranked team is suppose to do to cupcakes- thrash them- which is more than can be said for Georgia for example- who really struggled vs a bad MAC team and one of the 2 or 3 worst SEC teams in Mizzou the past two weeks.
Michigan's D had it's first real test vs a good Maryland offense that has one of the best offenses in the B1G- Tua Jr is the 2nd best QB that unit will face all year behind CJ Stroud- and Maryland has a veteran OL unit which returned all 5 starters from a year ago, pretty solid RB's, and their WR's are very good- Rakim Jarrett was an OMG FIVE STARZ, Jacob Copeland was a top 100 player overall recruit, and Jeshaun Jones is a speedster out of the state of Florida.
Michigan's O- and JJ McCarthy in particular- had their first real test in his first ever road start- in Kinnick- a place that is a motherf**ker to play in- and against a really good, sound fundamental defense that makes you pay when you make mistakes. Thought the OL and RB's played great and JJ didn't try any of that hero ball crap and he didn't force any throws- he played a clean game- and that's exactly what he needed to do.
Thought they passed both those tests pretty well. They aren't where they need to be- not even close- have a lot of stuff to work on and clean up- but they get to go on the road vs Indiana this week and try to work out more kinks and fine tune somethings before they get their biggest test to date when Penn State comes into Ann Arbor the 15th. IF they handle their business at home vs a really good Penn State squad the 15th there's a very high chance they roll into Columbus 11-0 in a showdown vs Ohio State that will be for all the marbles.
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Purdue
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Maryland
- Illinois
- Wisconsin
- Michigan State
- Nebraska
- Indiana
- Rutgers
- Northwestern
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- Ohio State - I don't know about everyone esle, but Stroud seemed to be off this past Saturday. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket and seemed as though he was rushing his throws. He threw some of the worst passes I've seen him throw. But the running game took over with T. Henderson and allowing M. Williams to show what he can do.
- Michigan - Good win in a tough environment. Iowa has a stout Defense, but cannot hold up all game long without the offense contributing. Mich showed that they are one of the B1G elete teams.
- Penn State - I didn't get to see this game, but a 10 point win against the worst team in the B1G shows some concerns. Perhaps it was just an off day for Penn State. We'll see how the season plays out.
- Maryland - I can't think of a team below that I would put ahead of them right now. Good offense and the defense is serviceable.
- Purdue - This team could challenge for the West title. Would this game have been different with Mo playing for Minn?
- Minnesota - See above.
- Illinois - Is Bert the answer for the Illini? So far, so good.
- Iowa - They need to find an offense.
- Wisconsin - Did tOSU beat them twice?
- Michigan State - Things only get harder this week.
- Nebraska - Good win at home.
- Indiana - Too many injuries.
- Rutgers - They are finding their level in the conference.
- Northwestern - Played a competitive game against a good team.
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- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Penn State
- Maryland
- Illinois
- Purdue
- Iowa
- Minnesota
- Wisconsin
- Rutgers
- Michigan State
- Nebraska
- Indiana
- Northwestern
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- Ohio State - I don't know about everyone esle, but Stroud seemed to be off this past Saturday. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket and seemed as though he was rushing his throws. He threw some of the worst passes I've seen him throw. But the running game took over with T. Henderson and allowing M. Williams to show what he can do.
- Michigan - Good win in a tough environment. Iowa has a stout Defense, but cannot hold up all game long without the offense contributing. Mich showed that they are one of the B1G elete teams.
- Penn State - I didn't get to see this game, but a 10 point win against the worst team in the B1G shows some concerns. Perhaps it was just an off day for Penn State. We'll see how the season plays out.
- Maryland - I can't think of a team below that I would put ahead of them right now. Good offense and the defense is serviceable.
- Purdue - This team could challenge for the West title. Would this game have been different with Mo playing for Minn?
- Minnesota - See above.
- Illinois - Is Bert the answer for the Illini? So far, so good.
- Iowa - They need to find an offense.
- Wisconsin - Did tOSU beat them twice?
- Michigan State - Things only get harder this week.
- Nebraska - Good win at home.
- Indiana - Too many injuries.
- Rutgers - They are finding their level in the conference.
- Northwestern - Played a competitive game against a good team.
Yes- Stroud was only 13/22 for 58% completion rate. That’s by far his worst ever.
And he threw that one deep pick which was so unlike him. He forced a throw into double coverage. He actually looked human.
I wouldn’t worry too much though. Even the best QBs have off days. They still put up 49 in 3 Quarters.
And if you were counting, Rutgers was called for PI on at least 4 Passes- which all were very catchable balls sans the aggressive interference. Add those in and his completion rate is over 70%. I honestly think that was an intentional part of Rutgers game plan. Why not? If you can’t cover them just prevent them from running their routes. See how much you can get away with.
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Yes- Stroud was only 13/22 for 58% completion rate. That’s by far his worst ever.
And he threw that one deep pick which was so unlike him. He forced a throw into double coverage. He actually looked human.
I wouldn’t worry too much though. Even the best QBs have off days. They still put up 49 in 3 Quarters.
And if you were counting, Rutgers was called for PI on at least 4 Passes- which all were very catchable balls sans the aggressive interference. Add those in and his completion rate is over 70%. I honestly think that was an intentional part of Rutgers game plan. Why not? If you can’t cover them just prevent them from running their routes. See how much you can get away with.
I hope you are right. But the week before, he appeared be a little off also. I hope it is not a trend and he gets back to his norms. We'll see.
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1. Ohio State should be AP poll #1 as well. The Buckeyes have not looked vulnerable this year unlike Alabama and Georgia. The fact that most of the #1 votes will go to the two SEC teams kind of pisses me off. Yes, Ohio State still sucks irregardless of their ranking.
I completely understood what you meant here. If the situation were reversed I wouldn't really want Michigan to be #1 but at the same time I'd be concerned that the B1G team was not getting the same benefit of the doubt as the SEC teams.
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man I find it hilarious when Ohio State fans bag on or worry about CJ Stroud. He's maybe the best QB in all of CFB. Certainly tops in the B1G.
All I have to say is.....
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when he's having a good day, he's possibly the most accurate passer in the NCAA
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when he's having a good day, he's possibly the most accurate passer in the NCAA
yeah, his ball placement is just next level. that's an NFL QB, for sure. And he hasn't been playing with his #1 target and the best WR in America- JSN- all-season.
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I'm trying to make sure I'm not biased in evaluating the top three so here are the 15 opponents they have defeated ranked by current Sagrin ranking:
- #15 Notre Dame by 11 by tOSU
- #31 Wisconsin by 31 by tOSU
- #34 Maryland by 7 by M
- #36 Iowa by 13 by M
- #38 Purdue by 4 by PSU on the road
- #41 Auburn by 29 by PSU on the road
- #69 Toledo by 56 by tOSU
- #85 Northwestern by 10 by PSU
- #92 CMU by 19 by PSU
- #101 Rutgers by 39 by tOSU
- #109 ArSt by 33 by tOSU
- #122 OhioU by 36 by PSU
- #144 CoSt by 44 by M
- #160 UCONN by 59 by M
- #175 Hawaii by 46 by M
I think that makes it pretty clear for now, tOSU then M then PSU.
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man I find it hilarious when Ohio State fans bag on or worry about CJ Stroud. He's maybe the best QB in all of CFB. Certainly tops in the B1G.
All I have to say is.....
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Grab me a quote from this board that "Ohio State fans bag on or worry about CJ Stroud". And speaking of relaxing you should try reading your own comments in the GameDay S.O.C. Thread :character0029:
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Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Maryland
Purdue
Minnesota
Iowa
Illinois
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Indiana
Rutgers
Northwestern
Nebraska
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Gotta sit this one out fellas. I saw nothing about football until I got a text from a friend saying PC got whacked.
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My prior rankings are in parentheses in chronological order from most recent at L to preseason at R:
- Ohio State (1,2,1,1,1), The Buckeyes looked pretty "meh" and won by 39.
- Michigan (3,3,2,2,2), At this point they look better than PSU and not quite as good as tOSU so here they are.
- Penn State (2,1,3,4,4), The last two weeks PSU has struggled WAY too much with CMU and only beat NU by 10. They are still #3 because nobody else can claim it but this is a trend and that is becoming concerning.
- Minnesota (4,4,5,6,8), I have no idea who to put at #4. A lot of voters here went with Maryland and their close loss to Michigan looks good but they just beat MSU far less impressively at home than Minnesota did on the road last week. Minnesota, of course, just lost to Purdue, and Purdue recently struggled with with perennial Bottom-10 member FA(not I) U. Illinois looked great in Madison but they also lost to Indiana. None of these teams seem like #4 so I'll keep Minnesota here for now on the theory that maybe they just had an off day against Purdue?
- Maryland (5,8,8,9,12), A win in October! In 2021 the Terps hit October at 4-0 and almost ranked then lost three straight and six of seven en-route to a 6-6 finish. This year they won their first October game and now prepare to host . . .
- Purdue (9,7,7,7,7), After their loss to the Orange and near-loss to FA(not I) U, I pretty much left them for dead (#9 last week) so where did this come from? Who knows but if they can back it up with a win at Maryland they'll probably become the favorite in the B1G-W.
- Illinois (11,10,10,13,9), That three point loss in Bloomington continues to mystify.
- Iowa (7,11,11,8,6), I still don't know what to think of Iowa. Their defense is so good that they kept it close with Michigan and are a credible threat to upset anyone including tOSU in Columbus in a couple weeks. Conversely, their offense is so bad that anyone is a credible threat to beat them and they could easily lose at home to Northwestern the week after playing in Columbus.
- Wisconsin (6,5,6,3,3), Wow, I didn't see a mid-season coaching change coming in Madison of all places. The Badgers now face a two-game road swing against what appear to be two of the B1G's worst teams (NU, MSU). If they win those two they'll be VERY much in the B1G-W race when Purdue visits on 10/22.
- Michigan State (8,6,4,5,5), The Spartans weren't even competitive in their three-straight losses and their prior opponents were MAC teams whose only wins came over St. Francis, Ball State, and New Hampshire. Now they get to host the Buckeyes who dropped 49 points on them last year . . . in the first half.
- Rutgers (10,9,9,10,13), The Scarlet Knights had a pretty good OOC with two road wins including one over a P5 opponent. They are now 3-2 with a home stand against two teams behind them on this list over the next three weeks. They REALLY need to sweep the Cornhuskers and Hoosiers to get to 5-2 if they want a decent chance to go bowling.
- Nebraska (13,14,14,14,14), Crawling out of the cellar one win at a time. Last week they beat Indiana so I've moved them ahead of the Hoosiers. This week they play Rutgers . . .
- Indiana (12,12,12,12,10), How on earth did this team manage to beat Illinois?
- Northwestern (14,13,13,11,11), They looked much better than expected against the Nittany Lions but this is still a 1-4 team that lost to Dook, a bad MAC School, and an FCS opponent. That said this is an even year and next up for the Wildcats are a group of Badgers sans their HC, PC. Would anyone really be shocked if the Wildcats reeled off three straight wins (vs UW, @UMD, @ IA) and headed into Columbus in early November in serious B1G-W contention?
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Results posted.
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Composite computer rankings (73 rankings - last week in parenthesis)
- Alabama (2)
- Georgia (1)
- OHIO STATE (3)
- Clemson (5)
- MICHIGAN (6)
- Ole Miss (8)
- PENN STATE (4)
- Tennessee (7)
- TCU (-)
- USC (9)
- Mississippi State (25)
- Oklahoma State (17)
- LSU (20)
- Utah (19)
- Kansas State (24)
- Oregon (13)
- UCLA (-)
- Wake Forest (-)
- NC State (14)
- Texas (-)
- Kentucky (12)
- Cincinnati (16)
- Kansas (-)
- MARYLAND (-)
- Syracuse (-)
- 26. Illinois (40)
- 29. Minnesota (10)
- 36. Purdue (44)
- 42. Iowa (35)
- 60. Wisconsin (42)
- 64. Michigan State (50)
- 73. Indiana (58)
- 80. Rutgers (78)
- 88. Nebraska (100)
- 104. Northwestern (111)