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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on August 23, 2022, 09:43:10 AM
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This game is in Dublin, Ireland and on Fox at 12:30 EDT Saturday. The Huskers are favored by 12.
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Wow, yes. Week Zero is upon us.
I'm taking UNL in this one.
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me too
blind faith
I was going to stop in Lincoln to watch the game on my way back from Denver
now it will probably be from my recliner in the COVID livingroom
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Wow, yes. Week Zero is upon us.
I'm taking UNL in this one.
I agree and considering that Nebraska won by about a million points last year it is the obvious pick but can Northwestern continue their odd, every other year thing? For the last four years they've alternated between only one conference loss (resulting in a B1GCG appearance) and terrible seasons with only one conference win:
- 8-1 in 2018, B1GCG
- 1-8 in 2019
- 6-1 in 2020, B1GCG
- 1-8 in 2021
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I predict NU will win.
:)
Guess I need to grab some Guinness in preparation.
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I predict NU will win.
:)
Guess I need to grab some Guinness in preparation.
I was thinking a six pack of Harp. Very happy to have Big Ten football back.
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Harp is very tasty but I'm on a diet and Guinness is a LIGHT beer! ;)
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Mildcats by 6
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Nebraska's O-linw throws up 15 times a day. I don't think that's a good thing, so gonna go with the Mildcats.
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I was thinking a six pack of Harp. Very happy to have Big Ten football back.
Go with a black and tan!
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yup, I'll be drinking both - Harp and Guinness
after a bloody Mary to start
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Nebraska kicks off its 133rd football season on Saturday when the Huskers take on the Northwestern Wildcats at the Aer Lingus Classic at Aviva Stadium in Dublin, Ireland. Saturday's season opener will be the 1,358th game in Nebraska football history but only the second played on foreign soil.
The only other international game in Husker history was Nebraska's victory over Kansas State at the 1992 Coca-Cola Classic in Tokyo, Japan. One year later, Wisconsin defeated Michigan State at the 1993 Coca-Cola Classic in Tokyo, which to date is the only Big Ten Conference game played outside of the United States. Saturday's game marks the earliest date of a conference matchup in Big Ten history.
Head Coach Scott Frost begins his fifth season at his alma mater in 2022, while Saturday's contest will mark Pat Fitzgerald's 200th game as Northwestern's head coach. Nebraska won last year's matchup in Lincoln 56-7, scoring its most points ever in a Big Ten Conference game and posting its largest margin of victory (49 points) in a Big Ten game and in any conference game since 2001.
Before last year's Husker win, each of the previous four meetings between Nebraska and Northwestern had been decided by one score, including back-to-back overtime wins for the Wildcats in 2017 and 2018. Overall, eight of the first 11 Big Ten meetings between the two programs have been one-score games.
Nebraska returns 46 letterwinners from last year's team, bringing back five full-time defensive starters and four offensive starters plus nine other players (seven on offense and two on defense) who started multiple games in 2021. The Huskers have bolstered their roster with the addition of 44 newcomers, including 22 transfers, 18 of whom have previous playing experience at the FBS or FCS level.
Series History: Nebraska vs. Northwestern
Saturday's matchup between Nebraska and Northwestern will be the 16th all-time between the two schools, with Nebraska holding a 9-6 series advantage. The Huskers are 6-5 against the Wildcats since Nebraska joined the Big Ten and the series has a history of close games.
Nebraska won last year's meeting 56-7 in Lincoln, posting its highest point total and largest margin of victory in a Big Ten Conference game. Overall, last year's meeting marked the Huskers' largest margin of victory in any conference game since a 59-0 win at Baylor during the 2001 Big 12 season.
Despite last year's lopsided score, eight of the 11 meetings since Nebraska joined the Big Ten have been decided by eight or fewer points, including four of the past five games. Northwestern is 5-3 in those eight one-score games, as each of the Wildcats' five conference victories over Nebraska have come by eight or fewer points and by an average of 4.6 points, including two overtime wins.
The schools met four times prior to Nebraska joining the Big Ten, with the Huskers holding a 3-1 edge in those matchups. Nebraska defeated Northwestern, 66-17, in the 2000 Alamo Bowl, a Husker record for points scored in a bowl game.
Brief Recaps of Close Games in the Series
Northwestern 21, Nebraska 13 (Nov. 7, 2020): After Northwestern drove 80 yards for a touchdown on its opening possession, the Huskers shut out the Wildcats the rest of the first half to take a 13-7 lead into the locker room. But Northwestern shut out Nebraska 14-0 in the second half. Trailing by eight, Nebraska drove to the Wildcat 14-yard line on its final drive, but Luke McCaffrey's fourth-down pass was broken up in the end zone with one second remaining.
Nebraska 13, Northwestern 10 (Oct. 5, 2019): Although Northwestern never led, the Wildcats tied the game at 10-10 with 11:20 to play in the third quarter. Neither team would score again until the final snap of the game. Northwestern drove into Husker territory with just over a minute remaining, but Lamar Jackson intercepted an Aidan Smith pass, and Nebraska drove 42 yards in six plays covering one minute to set up Lane McCallum's game-winning, walk-off 24-yard field goal.
Northwestern 34, Nebraska 31 in OT (Oct. 13, 2018): Nebraska nearly handed Northwestern its only Big Ten West loss of the 2018 season, but the Huskers were unable to hold a 10-point lead with less than three minutes remaining. Trailing 31-21, Northwestern got a field goal to pull within seven with 2:27 remaining in regulation. After Nebraska went 3-and-out and took just 24 seconds off the clock, the Wildcats drove 99 yards in eight plays to score the game-tying touchdown with 12 seconds remaining. Nebraska then threw an interception on its overtime possession, and Northwestern won the game on a walk-off 37-yard field goal from Drew Luckenbaugh.
Northwestern 31, Nebraska 24 in OT (Nov. 4, 2017): Northwestern ended the 2017 season with an eight-game winning streak which included an NCAA-record three consecutive overtime wins, the final of which came against Nebraska. The Huskers used a 10-0 third quarter to build a 24-17 lead, but Clayton Thorson tied the game on a touchdown run with 5:32 remaining in regulation. Thorson then gave the Wildcats the lead with a one-yard touchdown run on the first overtime series. Nebraska failed to score on its overtime drive, as a fourth-down pass was broken up.
Northwestern 30, Nebraska 28 (Oct. 24, 2015): In a back-and-forth game that featured five lead changes, Northwestern held on during an eventful fourth quarter. The Wildcats led 20-19 entering the final period, but Nebraska took a 22-20 lead just five seconds into the quarter. Northwestern answered with 10 straight points to build a 30-22 lead before a Tommy Armstrong Jr. three-yard touchdown run. Trailing 30-28, Nebraska failed on its two-point conversion attempt, and Northwestern picked up three first downs on its ensuing possession to run out the game's final 4:18.
Nebraska 27, Northwestern 24 (Nov. 2, 2013): Northwestern led 21-7 less than 20 minutes into the game, but the Huskers scored a single touchdown in both the third and fourth quarter to tie the score and set the stage for a dramatic final two minutes. With the game tied at 21, a Northwestern interception gave the Wildcats a 1st-and-goal situation with 2:25 remaining. Northwestern had to settle for a go-ahead field goal, and the Huskers got the ball back trailing 24-21 with 1:14 remaining. Nebraska converted a 4th-and-15 to keep its comeback hopes alive, and then on the game's final play, Ron Kellogg III found Jordan Westerkamp on a 49-yard Hail Mary as time expired.
Nebraska 29, Northwestern 28 (Oct. 20, 2012): Northwestern scored a single touchdown in all four quarters, including a final touchdown that gave the Wildcats a 28-16 lead with 8:31 remaining. But Nebraska drove 80 yards for a touchdown in just 2:36 on its ensuing possession to cut the lead to 28-23. The Blackshirts then held the Wildcats to a 3-and-out, giving Nebraska the ball back with 4:10 to play. The Huskers covered 76 yards for the go-ahead touchdown with 2:08 remaining, but the game was not over. Northwestern began its next drive on its own 25-yard line and drove to the Husker 36-yard line, but the Wildcats' potential go-ahead 53-yard field goal with 1:10 left missed wide right.
Husker History in Season Openers
Nebraska has an impressive history in season openers. The Huskers have won 98 of their 132 season openers, winning their first game more than 76 percent of the time while posting a 98-29-5 record.
Nebraska is 32-4 in its first game of the season dating back to 1986.
The Huskers are opening a season away from home for the third straight year, the only three times this century that Nebraska has played its season opener away from Lincoln. NU is beginning a season at a neutral site for the first time since the fourth-ranked Huskers shut out No. 24 West Virginia, 31-0, on Aug. 28, 2004 at the Kickoff Classic in East Rutherford, N.J., to begin a 13-0 national championship season.
Nebraska is 11-3 when it opens the season against a conference opponent. The Huskers are facing a conference foe in the season opener for just the fifth time since 1950, but Saturday marks the third consecutive year that Nebraska begins the season with a Big Ten Conference game.
Nebraska Nearly Perfect in August
Saturday's game will mark the 16th August game in the history of Nebraska football. The Huskers have lost just once in the month, bringing a 14-1 record into the contest with Northwestern.
Nebraska is not only 14-1 all-time in the month of August, but the average score of those 14 games has been 39-16. The Huskers are 7-1 in August when facing a current Power Five Conference opponent, with the average score of those six contests being 34-12.
In the history of Nebraska football, Saturday's contest will mark the earliest date of a conference game in Husker history. Overall, the Aug. 27 date is the third-earliest date ever for a Nebraska season opener.
Saturday's game is officially dubbed the "Aer Lingus Classic", marking the first time Nebraska has opened a season by playing in a "Classic" since kicking off the 2002 season at home against Arizona State in the Black Coaches Association Classic.
Saturday's Matchup a Rarity in Big Ten Conference
Saturday's season opener between Nebraska and Northwestern in Dublin, Ireland, is a rarity for the Big Ten Conference for two reasons: the date and the location.
Saturday's game marks the earliest date of a conference game in Big Ten history. Including this year, there have been only six conference matchups in August in the history of the Big Ten Conference, and Nebraska has played in two of those six contests.
Saturday's game also marks only the second Big Ten Conference game played on foreign soil. The only other international conference game in Big Ten history came in 1993, when Wisconsin defeated Michigan State 41-20 at the Coca-Cola Classic in Tokyo, Japan. The previous year, Nebraska picked up a Big Eight Conference victory over Kansas State in the 1992 Coca-Cola Classic in Tokyo.
Saturday will also mark just the second time a Big Ten team has played in Europe. Penn State entered this season as the only Big Ten team to play a game in Europe, as the Nittany Lions defeated UCF, 26-24, on Aug. 30, 2014, in Dublin, Ireland. That game was played at Croke Park and not Aviva Stadium, the home of Saturday's Nebraska-Northwestern matchup.
According to available research, Saturday's game will be just the 14th FBS conference game played on foreign soil in college football history. The Nebraska-Northwestern contest will also mark just the second FBS conference matchup ever played in Europe, along with the 2016 Aer Lingus Classic in Dublin between ACC foes Georgia Tech and Boston College.
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I'm close to picking Northwestern, but I'll go with Nebraska in a close one. I think it'll be a low scoring and sloppy game. Maybe Nebraska winning 23-17.
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I'm thinking the Huskers are going to be pretty good this year and will crush Northwestern.
UN 34
NU 9
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I think offensive sloppiness is expected. With a new offensive system and QB for UNL and the likelihood of the Cats starting a new QB and option of hot shot redshirt freshman Brendan Sullivan.
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Seemingly a make or break game for both programs before the college football season really begins.
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Fighting Fitz's he's more Irish than Frost
Northwestern 31 Nebraska 28
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Nebraska vs. Northwestern odds
Point spread: Nebraska -13
O/U: 50.5
Moneyline: NU -550, NW +400
FPI pick: Nebraska 78.7%
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Northwestern's defense. The Wildcats lost Chris Bergin, who led college football in tackles a year ago, and overall this defensive unit ranked just 101st nationally, allowing 429.5 yards per game, and was 89th in scoring defense (29.0 ppg). NU's secondary doesn't return a single player who had an interception last season.
Northwestern returns Adetomiwa Adebawore on defense a year after he led the team with 8.5 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks
+ Neither of these teams were great in the red zone a year ago, in either direction: Nebraska was 106th offensively and 61st defensively; Northwestern was 128th on offense and 62nd on defense
+ Northwestern scored 14 or fewer points in seven of their last eight games in 2021
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real sugar is hard to find
the good stuff!
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If you really want to get under Northwestern's skin, all you gotta do is call them Southeastern. Right to their face.
Works every time.
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don't want to get under their skin, just want to beat them like a drum!
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I like Northwestern U. I did a summer program there before my senior year in high school. Those are some fart smuckers.
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Nebraska SHOULD win, but does anybody really trust Scott Frost at this point? Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Pat Fitzgerald out coach him and get the W somehow some way.
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multiple turnovers and disastrous special teams????
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multiple turnovers and disastrous special teams????
Man if this turns out to be true, then we are going to have to start calling you Nostradamus.
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Coaching first volleyball match of season right before this kicks off. I always stash my phone with my wife during matches to keep away all distractions.
Nebraska will be a mixed bag and I think they finish with more points than Northwestern. Staying away from the line.
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Nebraska will be a mixed bag and I think they finish with more points than Northwestern.
Better analysis than Gameday
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Gameday on week zero???
talking about the Big Ten West!
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Gameday on week zero???
talking about the Big Ten West!
At least when it was just the Pigskin and Kickoff Classics it was a pair of good games
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At least when it was just the Pigskin and Kickoff Classics it was a pair of good games
I miss that era of college football.
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so do I, the Huskers and Osborne had a pretty good record in those week zero games
Doc Tom just loved the extra practices
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I miss that era of college football.
Agreed. It was generally the Pigskin Classic Saturday on ABC, followed by the LLWS (back when only the championship was televised), with the Kickoff on Sunday?
One of the best games I ever attended was one of those. In Lloyd Carr's first game as head coach, a last second win negated some terrible decisions by him. Down 17-0 in the 47th, Michigan scored 3 4th quarter TDs, but for some reason went for 2 after the first two, failing both. So they needed a TD on the final play, trailing 17-12, instead of having the option to kick a tying FG. Granted, would they? I love weighing that option. But the other forgotten part is that prior to the TD, Tyrone Butterfield (nicknamed Butterfingers, and rightfully so) dropped a pass right in his hands that would have resulted in the clock running out.
https://youtu.be/ebHOUIzgT94
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Lloyd Carr would kick a tying FG
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I loved the stupid tie at the Big A. When the Pigskin was neutral site.
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I actually think this was supposed to be neutral, but due to logistics, Michigan hosted. But they still painted one end zone for Virginia
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I actually think this was supposed to be neutral, but due to logistics, Michigan hosted. But they still painted one end zone for Virginia
Was it supposed to be at old Giants Stadium?
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So when will we find out who the starting Northwestern QB will be? Is Fitzgerald going to keep it quiet right up until kickoff?
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as long as one of them can't run like Kain Colter, I don't think there will be much difference
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this is an Omen!!! bet on the Big RED!!!
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This seems like a MUST win for Nebbie. MUST. Football already1/1/1/1/
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it's a must for Scott Frost
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it's a must for Scott Frost
yeah, he drops this opener his seat is going to be raging wild fire hot
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there are some who think if he loses this game he's gone before he gets back to Lincoln
Whipple or Joseph as interim coach
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https://twitter.com/NUFBFamily/status/1562851167662931973/photo/1
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there are some who think if he loses this game he's gone before he gets back to Lincoln
I'm not close of course, but this sounds ridiculous to me. I'd wait until after Game 2 ...
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chances are that the team will look good in Game 2
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I miss NUWildcat
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yup
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I really am thinking if Nebbie can't beat NW, their season is not going to be pretty longer term either.
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I really am thinking if Nebbie can't beat NW, their season is not going to be pretty longer term either.
I think with Whipple coaching from game 2 onward, they could have a pretty good season. But they're gonna win, so it's moot.
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I think with Whipple coaching from game 2 onward, they could have a pretty good season. But they're gonna win, so it's moot.
So if Scott Frost loses to Northwestern in Dublin Ireland, they are leaving him there?
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My younger brother is going to the game, he happened to be in UK on business and decided to hang around, I'll be interested in his take on the in game experience.
I'll have to watch later .
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College football in Dublin - all you need to know
From an Irish source..
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2022/08/26/nebraska-northwestern-college-football-dublin-kick-off-time-venue-details/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2022/08/26/nebraska-northwestern-college-football-dublin-kick-off-time-venue-details/)
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https://www.1011now.com/video/2022/08/27/oneill-honors-huskers-during-ireland-game/?fbclid=IwAR2Enqdwl2GZMxYsWdTsfS_qj8eCIqlmoah4-A00HXjruwCgI5D3orsaQqg (https://www.1011now.com/video/2022/08/27/oneill-honors-huskers-during-ireland-game/?fbclid=IwAR2Enqdwl2GZMxYsWdTsfS_qj8eCIqlmoah4-A00HXjruwCgI5D3orsaQqg)
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Nebraska fans heading to the Northwestern game in Dublin, Ireland.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efI8wcRAgsk&t=134s
This anybody from CFN board?
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I'll take the Corn Nation shirt.
But I'm with him, wtf was with the onside kick after they had all the momentum.
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Was that Fearless in the video?
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maybe... did he mention the O-line SUCKED?
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maybe... did he mention the O-line SUCKED?
Just quick checking the husker fan boards. They really do want his ass gone and they want it right now.
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Neither team looked that sharp. Kinda like what you’de expect for a first game. Maybe there’s something good about playing a tomato can for a first game instead of conference game or ranked team.
Huskers throwing the ball so much was a surprise. Frost must have sold his soul. Their transfer QB from Texas reminded me of McSorley a couple times the way he scrambled forever then hit a long pass.
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Just quick checking the husker fan boards. They really do want his ass gone and they want it right now.
pretty much any fan board anywhere after a loss
especially after an upset by a 14-point dog
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The UNL brass is accepting mediocrity. Have fun with that.
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you're wrong
again
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They're......enjoying success? WTF would you describe keeping him as?
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they won't be keeping him
I've heard oct 1st is the trigger for his buyout
and I'm not sure he'll make it until Oct. 1st, it's only money
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The fact that he was coaching today is evidence that UNL is accepting of mediocrity.
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in your opinion
they pulled a Harbaugh on his contract and his buyout, fired his offensive staff last fall and he won't be coaching next season, but you think what you'd like
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What if he beats the Sooners?
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won't matter
he won't beat the west, Minnesoota, Wisconsin, and Iowa
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Don't forget Bert.
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or any other team in the west
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in your opinion
they pulled a Harbaugh on his contract and his buyout, fired his offensive staff last fall and he won't be coaching next season, but you think what you'd like
Isn't that basically the administration buying a scratch-off ticket, hoping for a winner? I'm honestly dumbfounded that you're disagreeing with me.
For what it's worth, Wikipedia agrees with you:
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Isn't that basically the administration buying a scratch-off ticket, hoping for a winner? I'm honestly dumbfounded that you're disagreeing with me.
with the coaching moves that were made last season, maybe the UNL brass didn't have a better option than giving Frost another few months and thought, why not save some money while we circle the wagons and get a better candidate?
that's not settling for mediocrity, that's not panicking and throwing your program further in the hole
I'm dumbfounded that anyone would think UNL will settle for mediocrity
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Northwestern played well. Nebraska played well in the 1st quarter and looked unbeatable for that quarter. The QB play which had been so good in the 1st quarter, and most of the 1st half, started falling apart in the 2nd half. With the late turnover in a close game, this game was a microcosm of the entire Scott Frost era.
Defense fell apart as the game progressed, except the last 8 minutes or so of the 4th quarter.
The puking comment Frost made on his radio show last week made me withdraw Nebraska from consideration of preseason #1 in the West because his comment told me they are physically working players too hard trying to rescue coach's job. It is important to work hard; it is equally important to not be overworked.
It is a very bad defense that gives up 528-yards to Northwestern.
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I'm dumbfounded that anyone would think UNL will settle for mediocrity
SMH
15-29 overall record
10-25 conf record
What would you call it? Promise? UNL kept a HC with that record.
Maybe you guys are too close and are blinded by it.
Nebraska fired Frank Solich for going 58-19 overall and 33-15 in conference.
Keeping the .341 win% twenty years after firing the .753 win%.
That's accepting mediocrity, friend. It just blatantly is. And I think that phrasing is even being kind, yet you still push back on it. FLABBERGASTED.
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Frost was a helluva player for Nebraska. Loyalty runs deep there, and I can't help but hope they have given him opportunity beyond what they should have. I understand and respect that... if that had been anyone else they'd have been shown the door, by my reckoning.
He did damn well in Florida. What's the difference? His competition stiffened but so did his pick of the litter... taking coaches from Jr ranks who are solid is about a 50/50 shot to begin with by my observation, and taking the home town hero, if he fails, sets up a tough situation... he's quite the mess for them to manage... before we bash the AD, just consider the hire... and hope they've learned their lesson...
Back when they fired solich I thought to myself "they have effed up and they'll go through a couple years downtime "... boy was I wrong... then, I thought, "they are the poster child for how NOT to do it" when trying to rebuild.. then what happened? MY boys said "hold my beer"..
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SMH
15-29 overall record
10-25 conf record
What would you call it? Promise? UNL kept a HC with that record.
Maybe you guys are too close and are blinded by it.
Nebraska fired Frank Solich for going 58-19 overall and 33-15 in conference.
Keeping the .341 win% twenty years after firing the .753 win%.
That's accepting mediocrity, friend. It just blatantly is. And I think that phrasing is even being kind, yet you still push back on it. FLABBERGASTED.
Changing the entire identity on the heels of solich was the eff up in my opinion. Nebraska was known for triple option. For players of that flavor, which there were many, going to Nebraska was the fabled brass ring.
Why they brought in a west coast offense and seriously made an attempt to implement it over a team built totally different is beyond the understanding of any student of the game. Its just.... dumb.
While they fiddled with such, the game moved on... those players aiming for triple option found other paths, which became roads and then highways- all leading away from Nebraska. This is my opinion only. Nebraska was shocked into a total lack of identity.
At such time, a coach like Steve Logan should have been tapped... because he would win? No... because he would use what was at hand to compete the best he could and without allegiance to a system. That's how Logan made his mark. There are more like him and some far better, he's just the one who came to mind just now... he would run a shotgun wide system one season just to go back to triple option the next, and then playaction the next... its what he had access too... and the intent was to quietly build for the system he wanted all the while- the type of transition takes likely five years..... and yes, after coach C was done gutting Nebraska of the corn fed behemoths, this- in my opinion- was their best option...
Id like to see then wake up thr triple option again. I'd like to see those players across the nation, especially in small school systems who still run it, point an azimuth toward Lincoln and blaze a trail... that becomes a road... amd turns into a highway... and along with it big red becoming a power to be concerned about... CFB is better with Nebraska being good... Nebraska being good is about being different than the trending systems. Some fool up there needs to remind them of that by my reckoning.
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Frost just doesn't seem to understand what it takes to win in the Big Ten. Seems to me that he came to Nebraska thinking he was going to replicate what he did in the AAC at UCF.....and just outscore everyone. Can't play that way. Need to have a good defense and a good running attack.
28 points was enough to win that game.....yet he criticised the offense. Forget the fact that the defense was giving up huge chunk yards on pretty simple plays. The defense made NW's below average offense look good.
Then there's the onsides kick. Just brutal decision making there. There's a reason why Nebraska continuously loses one score games.....and games that they hold double digits leads in regularly. It's not bad luck. It's the Frost effect.
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That's accepting mediocrity, friend. It just blatantly is. And I think that phrasing is even being kind, yet you still push back on it. FLABBERGASTED.
Coaches
Frost, Scott 2018 - 0.341
Riley, Mike 2015 - 2017 - 0.500
Pelini, Bo 2008 - 2014 - .713
Callahan, Bill 2004 - 2007 - 0.551
Solich, Frank 1998 - 2003 -0.753
Athletic Directors
Trev Alberts
Bill Moos
Shawn Eichorst
Tom Osborne
Steve Pederson
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acceptance????
have they kept a guy a season or two too long? perhaps
have they fired a guy a season too soon? maybe
have they accepted that 8-9 win seasons is enough? No
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28 points was enough to win that game.....yet he criticised the offense. Forget the fact that the defense was giving up huge chunk yards on pretty simple plays. The defense made NW's below average offense look good.
There's backstory there. His AD made him hire a new OC, in essence taking away the thing he's theoretically good at. I think the AD might have picked the OC? Maybe? Either way, the narrative I heard in preseason was "Now Frost can bounce around and help anywhere, maybe even encourage the defense on the sidelines."
It took a whole game for him to not be able to hide anger at the arrangement. So you can see a lot of normal healthy program stuff going on there.
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When Nebraska battles Indiana on Oct. 1, Frost’s buyout would be split in half from $15 million to $7.5 million — something every Cornhuskers fan is going to have in mind, especially after Saturday’s heartbreaking season opening loss against Northwestern.
The addendum to Frost’s contract is enacted on Oct. 1, but runs all the way through Dec. 31, 2026 (365 days before his deal is up).
During the same four-year period — Oct. 1, 2022 through Dec. 31, 2026 — if Frost resigns, he’ll be forced to pay “liquidated damages” to the university. Those damages include $2.5 million and $1.25 million, “on a prorated basis for each remaining year of the Contract of Employment,” though will not be forced to pay anything if his resignation came at any point during the 2027 calendar year.
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Given he's a fan himself, maybe he will negotiate a departure with the school.
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yup, if he doesn't beat the Sooners and all other teams including the Hoosiers, he's gonna take his 7.5 million
if Trev and the powers find the coach they want before Oct. 1st, Frost could step down for something less than $15 million, it's doubtful
there may be a booster of substance that is willing to pay the extra 7.5 million this week to move on immediately
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5QMtmvet7g
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I think he might well take less. I may be putting myself in his shoes. If I was HC at UGA, I'd work out some deal for less so as not to harm the program.
But he's young and likely not very employable in his profession.
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DUBLIN — As thrilling as the Nebraska-Northwestern football game might have been, the rarest of occurrences kept hundreds — perhaps even thousands — of fans in the concession concourses.
Free beer. Free food, too. All of it, free. A stadium, just giving it away.
“The tills are down and we can’t take cash,” an Aviva Stadium concession worker said to the World-Herald. The tills, in this case, were small credit card machines that didn’t have Wi-Fi connection.
So the beer flowed. Generally a person got as many as he or she could carry in a cardboard drink carrier. One man carried seven. Most tried to get four.
Across the concourse, fans got as many cups of fries — chips — as they could, plus big hot dogs, too.
“Nothing is free in Ireland — but this is!” said Stephen Cleary a Dubliner wearing an Odell Beckham, Jr. shirt.
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Again... Who is taking this job right now?
Maybe Alberts hired the OC (Mark Whipple) to be the replacement.
Maybe.
The guy did well at Pitt as the OC there, and it can be argued that this move was less than lateral given the state of each program today. Pitt won the ACC. He also coached UMass (!) to a 1-AA national championship as a head coach. Lots of NFL experience.
Sure, he's a little long in the tooth, but this could be a way to stabilize the program with an eye on the next guy in 2-3 years.
Maybe.
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You know it's bad when the Big Sky is "balls to the face" dunking on you.
https://twitter.com/BigSkyConf/status/1563613543856889859?s=20&t=6iHEYHVof_oMN55cXV_uug
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I'm sure the AD is facing a lot of pressure, but I "THINK" the best thing to do right now is nothing.
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accepting mediocre
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Again... Who is taking this job right now?
Maybe Alberts hired the OC (Mark Whipple) to be the replacement.
Maybe.
The guy did well at Pitt as the OC there, and it can be argued that this move was less than lateral given the state of each program today. Pitt won the ACC. He also coached UMass (!) to a 1-AA national championship as a head coach. Lots of NFL experience.
Sure, he's a little long in the tooth, but this could be a way to stabilize the program with an eye on the next guy in 2-3 years.
Maybe.
Whipple could simply hold the job until the end of the season
many Husker fans are enamored with Mickey Joseph, but with no head coaching experience
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Nebraska football: 3 potential replacements for Scott Frost
https://saturdayblitz.com/2022/08/27/nebraska-football-potential-replacements-scott-frost/2/ (https://saturdayblitz.com/2022/08/27/nebraska-football-potential-replacements-scott-frost/2/)
3. Luke Fickell, Cincinnati head coach
To me, this would make a lot of sense because Luke Fickell has the feel of a Big Ten guy.
2. Matt Campbell, Iowa State head coach
Another guy who I believe would be a glove-like fit with Nebraska is Matt Campbell.
1. Mark Stoops, Kentucky head coach
The third coach on this list with roots in Ohio, Mark Stoops would be a dream-like hire for Nebraska.
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Again... Who is taking this job right now?
Maybe Alberts hired the OC (Mark Whipple) to be the replacement.
Maybe.
The guy did well at Pitt as the OC there, and it can be argued that this move was less than lateral given the state of each program today. Pitt won the ACC. He also coached UMass (!) to a 1-AA national championship as a head coach. Lots of NFL experience.
Sure, he's a little long in the tooth, but this could be a way to stabilize the program with an eye on the next guy in 2-3 years.
Maybe.
You'll have to take a gamble on someone who gets big eyes.
I think the guy at coastal would be good, if not for the regional thing. Does NDSU have a guy right now?
Whipple, last time he was an HC, 16-42, albeit as a horrible job. With no area ties, that's a TOUGH sell.
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I'm pretty sure the main thing for UNL is recruiting, and the next HC should be someone who can at least recruit top 15. I don't know if that is possible now.
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Nebraska had two top five recruiting classes in the entire nineties... 96 and 97 iirc. Both 5/6 ranking... both because key five stars a d not composites..
Nebraska needs to return to what mapped them and what made them great. They were the only school accommodating unknown players because of system. Well, the only one that mattered.
Now they're competing with everyone for the flavor of the day system, and... that ain't working for them.
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The Huskers can do the same thing that Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesoota do.
They are recruiting as well as those programs
Stock up on the big farm boys in the trenches
run the football and stop the run
develop what talent they get and play fundamentally sound
no, if they want to go with an offense with more QB run game like Pelini, that's fine. Triple option or not.
would a gimmick offense work? any offense works if talent is acquired and it's coached properly. A gimmick that requires opposing D-coordinators fits would be fine, but it's not needed
to win games the formula is clear and has been for decades - own the LOS, block and tackle, know your assignments, limit mistakes, play with discipline, be tough, out hit your opponent
this is how the West is won
once a program gets to the point they can win the division, tweaks can be made to try to clear the next hurdle
no sense trying to beat Ohio St., Bama and the top 5 before you can win your division
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A lot of people thought we fired RC Slocum and Fran because they couldn’t beat OU and UT. Not true at all. They couldn’t consistently beat Tech, Missouri, Ok State, you know the other 9 teams in the conference. The same ones we always out recruited.
Ultimately, when you don’t have better athletes than your competitors, you usually won’t win 80% of the time. No matter how good your coaches are. So you have to play a different kind of game, and recruit the best athletes to fit your system, no matter what it is. Leach at Tech is a shining example of this. They haven’t done shit since he left, because they’re hiring coaches who play traditional, old fashioned football like Tommy Tubberville, and I really couldn’t name the next few coaches.
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I think it’s not the recruiting. It’s absolutely on the coaches not being able to coach up the guys they get sure if you get 5 star kids it’s easier but that is not happening in Lincoln
Their only chance is finding a coach that can put together a staff that can teach football better than the kids already know… that is not Frost
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sure as hell haven't found an O-line coach
that was my main focus Saturday, O-line play
if they would have had a few more breaks and somehow won a one score game, I'd still be very unhappy with the O-line play and the lack of QB pressure by the Blackshirts
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Corn Nation fustration, our Schadenfreunde:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efI8wcRAgsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efI8wcRAgsk)
Harsh language warning.
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The Huskers can do the same thing that Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesoota do.
no sense trying to beat Ohio St., Bama and the top 5 before you can win your division
A lot of people thought we fired RC Slocum and Fran because they couldn’t beat OU and UT. Not true at all. They couldn’t consistently beat Tech, Missouri, Ok State, you know the other 9 teams in the conference. The same ones we always out recruited.
I think the point made in these two posts (including the parts I didn't quote here) is the crux of the issue.
Nebraska probably has a recruiting problem as compared to Ohio State and Michigan within the league and also as compared to schools such as Bama, UGA, and Clemson nationally but right now that is completely irrelevant because if they can't consistently beat their B1G-W opponents then they can't even get to a B1GCG against the Buckeyes or Wolverines let alone a CFP game against the Tide, Dawgs, or Tigers.
Here is 247's composite recruiting rankings over (I think) four years for the B1G:
- 986 tOSU
- 833 Michigan
- 821 Penn State
- 750 Wisconsin
- 747 Nebraska
- 706 Maryland
- 668 Michigan State
- 664 Indiana
- 657 Iowa
- 653 Minnesota
- 650 Northwestern
- 644 Purdue
- 636 Illinois
- 570 Rutgers
Nebraska recruits well enough that they should regularly be a B1G-W contender and they simply haven't been.
In 2021 Nebraska lost to Michigan (by 3), to Oklahoma (by 7), and to Ohio State (by 9) but those aren't the problem. If they had lost only those games they'd have gone to the B1GCG at 9-3/7-2. The problem is that they also lost to IL, MSU, MN, PU, UW, and Iowa.
In 2020 Nebraska lost to tOSU but again, if that had been it they'd have gotten a rematch in the CG. The problem is that they also lost to NU, IL IA, and Minnesota.
In 2019 Nebraska got drilled by Ohio State in Lincoln but again, if that had been it they'd have gone to Indy for a rematch at 11-1/8-1. The problem is that they also lost to Colorado, MN, IU, PU, UW, and Iowa.
I'm not trying to dump on Nebraska and I don't mean to say that they can never beat tOSU/M. I'm just saying that if they can't consistently beat Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, and Minnesota then there is really no reason to bother talking about beating Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, UGA, or Clemson.
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@FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) , is this true:
https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickjfelts/status/1563622330554875905
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It's true.
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Nebraska's record against B1G teams from 2018-2022:
- 1-0 Penn State
- 1-0 Rutgers, A on 10/7
- 1-0 Maryland
- 2-3 Northwestern
- 1-1 Michigan State
- 2-2 Illinois, H on 10/29
- 1-3 Minnesota, H on 11/5
- 1-3 Purdue, A on 10/15
- 0-1 Indiana, H on 10/1
- 0-2 Michigan, A on 11/12
- 0-3 Wisconsin, H on 11/19
- 0-4 Iowa, A on 11/25
- 0-4 Ohio State
0-6 against the Buckeyes and Wolverines is obviously not what Nebraska fans want but the immediate issue is 6-18 against Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Northwestern.
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Combining my post of:
Here is 247's composite recruiting rankings over (I think) four years for the B1G:
With my post of:
Nebraska's record against B1G teams from 2018-2022:
Here is Nebraska's record against the other 13 B1G teams over the last four years sorted by each team's recruiting:
- 986 tOSU, 0-4
- 833 Michigan, 0-2
- 821 Penn State, 1-0
- 750 Wisconsin, 0-3
- 747 Nebraska, n/a
- 706 Maryland, 1-0
- 668 Michigan State, 1-1
- 664 Indiana, 0-1
- 657 Iowa, 0-4
- 653 Minnesota, 1-3
- 650 Northwestern, 2-2
- 644 Purdue, 1-3
- 636 Illinois, 2-2
- 570 Rutgers, 1-0
Against the weakest recruiting half of the league the Cornhuskers went 7-15 from 2018-2021. That wouldn't get it done even if they were perfect against the top teams.
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I assume Scott's replacement will have a deal in hand by Oct. 1st
It would take a miracle record of undefeated including the Hoosiers or one close loss the the Sooners.
and I really don't think that would save him unless true progress was show on the O-line and D-line.
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From 2018:
“We’re going to run that up-tempo offense we saw (at the spring game), and we’re going to get the Blackshirts back to being Blackshirts. And that’s extremely important,” Moos said on Tuesday, via the Omaha World-Herald (http://www.omaha.com/huskers/nebraska-a-d-bill-moos-all-smiles-as-he-sets/article_4d58c312-fde3-5680-9ee5-66a06a174c06.html). “You’ve got Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh thinking, ‘We better put a little more into that Nebraska game coming up.’
"And that’s the way we want it. They’re running a little bit scared right now. And they won’t admit it. We’ll leave that at that.”
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Moos is gone
everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth
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Yep. Canned to pave the way for Frost's canning.
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Combining my post of:With my post of:Here is Nebraska's record against the other 13 B1G teams over the last four years sorted by each team's recruiting:Against the weakest recruiting half of the league the Cornhuskers went 7-15 from 2018-2021. That wouldn't get it done even if they were perfect against the top teams.
Excellent point. A team first MUST win the games it SHOULD win if it in fact is better than mediocre.
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Yep. Canned to pave the way for Frost's canning.
we don't settle for mediocre
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Not much to add here been traveling (not to Dublin to be clear). Nebraska used the same recipe card we've seen for years. - turnover margin, ST blunder.
They are the kitchen equivalent of burnt garlic. You can never save the dish the moment you burn the garlic.
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Nebraska's O-linw throws up 15 times a day. I don't think that's a good thing, so gonna go with the Mildcats.
Just want to bring up I picked the Real NU.
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Just want to bring up I picked the Real NU.
Well done. You used the 🤮 meter! 😂
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It's a bit sad, to me, to see Nebbie in this state. Even with a new coach, it would take a few years to rebuild, if in fact they can now. I think USC and Texas are easier to bring back.
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Where does UNL sit compared to Tennessee, in your opinion?
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Tennessee has somewhat better access to recruits I think. A good coach there should be able to do reasonably well, not well enough for its fans though, The current situation is an attempt to use a "gimmicky" offense in a sense to traverse issues with core talent. That can make them dangerous, like Georgia Tech once was, but cannot sustain elite performance.
Nebraska might get a Paul Johnson kind of coach and offense and start winning 9 game a year on average, but that is the limit.
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Tennessee has somewhat better access to recruits I think. A good coach there should be able to do reasonably well, not well enough for its fans though, The current situation is an attempt to use a "gimmicky" offense in a sense to traverse issues with core talent. That can make them dangerous, like Georgia Tech once was, but cannot sustain elite performance.
Nebraska might get a Paul Johnson kind of coach and offense and start winning 9 game a year on average, but that is the limit.
For what it’s worth, I think Tennessee has deeper pockets. Maybe Nebraska is better in that game than I remember, Tennessee‘s ability to “entice“ regional talent has always been top-flight
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The Vols now have a large NIL gig which might have been a factor recently.
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Tennessee has MUCH better geography in terms of being near talent. Plus they are not that far from two major talent producing states- Ohio and Florida. Plus the state itself produces much more talent than Nebraska.
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the Huskers have enough money and the NIL game is top notch
it's a matter of finding the right coach and they will keep trying until they find that guy
it's a matter of time
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true, the Vols should find it easier to rake better talent than Nebraska, but they play in the SEC, not the Big Ten West
Nebraska can land enough talent to compete in the Big Ten West, they already do that. Just imagine how much better they might recruit if they were winning 8-9 games a season and winning the west once in a while
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the Huskers have enough money and the NIL game is top notch
it's a matter of finding the right coach and they will keep trying until they find that guy
it's a matter of time
The coach they have now won a Natty at UCF. :)
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The 10 states with the most players in the updated Top247 rankings (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-recruiting-states-with-best-players-most-Top247-2023-183675495/#183675495_4)
The top 4 are Florida, Texas, Georgia, California. The Vols can hit two of those, Nebraska nearly zero.
Five and six are Alabama and Louisiana.
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Tennessee has somewhat better access to recruits I think. A good coach there should be able to do reasonably well, not well enough for its fans though, The current situation is an attempt to use a "gimmicky" offense in a sense to traverse issues with core talent. That can make them dangerous, like Georgia Tech once was, but cannot sustain elite performance.
Nebraska might get a Paul Johnson kind of coach and offense and start winning 9 game a year on average, but that is the limit.
Oh expert on the Vols, what would be enough for us lowly Tennesseeans?
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The 10 states with the most players in the updated Top247 rankings (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-recruiting-states-with-best-players-most-Top247-2023-183675495/#183675495_4)
The top 4 are Florida, Texas, Georgia, California. The Vols can hit two of those, Nebraska nearly zero.
Five and six are Alabama and Louisiana.
The Vols have always recruited nationally, moreso back a decade ago, but we can hit any state we want.
I presume you left Cali out of your 2 for 4 .... may want to check the history books on Vols West Coast recruiting.
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I don't know historically if Nebraska or Tennessee has recruited more from California, but the relevant point is where either can recruit more readily today which tends to mean contiguous or nearly so states by and large even for national programs.
The top programs over the past five years or so reside in fertile recruiting grounds (ND certainly has national draw still).
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I don't know historically if Nebraska or Tennessee has recruited more from California, but the relevant point is where either can recruit more readily today which tends to mean contiguous or nearly so states by and large even for national programs.
The top programs over the past five years or so reside in fertile recruiting grounds (ND certainly has national draw still).
Yeah, it's a big mystery.
https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/recruiting/breaking-vols-land-elite-california-signal-caller-iamaleava
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it's not a recruiting or talent issue with the Huskers when wondering if they can be a top program in the Big Ten West
can Nerbaska ever get back to a national top 5 power such as the 90's? Probably not. Would take a coach and a few other factors as it did in the 90s.
the Vols might have a better shot at a top 5 season or two, but it's improbable for most programs
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The top programs largely draw from nearby states, and their own, and it's a large advantage. A few can pull in a couple recruits from places like California every so often, but it's still rare. Why is Ohio State so consistently good to great? Large state, one major program.
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Ohio St recruits nationally
as does Bama
not for the bulk of the roster, but to pluck the top 4 and 5 stars
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The 10 states with the most players in the updated Top247 rankings (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-recruiting-states-with-best-players-most-Top247-2023-183675495/#183675495_4)
The top 4 are Florida, Texas, Georgia, California. The Vols can hit two of those, Nebraska nearly zero.
Five and six are Alabama and Louisiana.
It looks like that list is based on current year recruits. I prefer this list (https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/.amp/nfl/graphic-the-10-u-s-states-with-the-most-current-nfl-players) of the HS location of active NFL players. It is a bit dated but I couldn't quickly find an update and I don't think it changes that much anyway. The top-10:
- 194 Florida
- 192 Texas
- 170 California
- 134 Georgia
- 71 Ohio
- 60 Alabama
- 60 Pennsylvania
- 59 Louisiana
- 59 North Carolina
- 57 New Jersey
If you look at the teams that were undisputed helmets 25 years ago but have been generally down lately the three that come to mind are Michigan, Tennessee, and Nebraska. I think it is NOT coincidental that all three have relatively weak in-state talent.
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lots of kids on that list playing in the NFL that weren't top recruits or even attended P5 programs
it's a great list, but doesn't represent recruiting ability
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Here's a fun list but in map infographic form.
(https://i.imgur.com/FmRRG1O.png)
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It looks like that list is based on current year recruits. I prefer this list (https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/.amp/nfl/graphic-the-10-u-s-states-with-the-most-current-nfl-players) of the HS location of active NFL players. It is a bit dated but I couldn't quickly find an update and I don't think it changes that much anyway. The top-10:
- 194 Florida
- 192 Texas
- 170 California
- 134 Georgia
- 71 Ohio
- 60 Alabama
- 60 Pennsylvania
- 59 Louisiana
- 59 North Carolina
- 57 New Jersey
If you look at the teams that were undisputed helmets 25 years ago but have been generally down lately the three that come to mind are Michigan, Tennessee, and Nebraska. I think it is NOT coincidental that all three have relatively weak in-state talent.
This is true. Tennessee used to make it's money recruiting Georgia, the Carolina's, and Virginia, along with plucking some high rated guys nationally.
Tennessee's fall coincides with the rise of Clemson, USCe under Spurrier, and Georgia finally hiring competent coaches, starting with Mark Richt.
It's a fairly easy picture to paint.
Tennessee, for a long while, had the highest recruiting budget in the country to offset the lack on in state talent, not sure if it remains that way today. Fortunately, with Nashville's growth, the in state talent is getting better every year, but obviously still not on par with the big boy producers, and likely never will be.
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true, the Vols should find it easier to rake better talent than Nebraska, but they play in the SEC, not the Big Ten West
the Vols play in the SEC East, which up until Kirby got Georgia going past few years- wasn't that far off from the Big Ten West.....
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one fo the biggest differences for the Huskers from the good old daze is that regional programs in the Midwest are doing better and getting more recruits that were easy picks for the Huskers.
The Hawkeyes, Cyclones, Gophers, ND Bison, K-state Wildcats, Mizzou and even Kansas have been able to recruit better on the average than back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's
even taking some recruits out of the state of Nebraska
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Tennessee's fall coincides with the rise of Clemson, USCe under Spurrier, and Georgia finally hiring competent coaches, starting with Mark Richt.
I've noticed this too. When the Vols were recruiting the guys who won the 1998 NC and generally had the UT program at an elite level for roughly the 1990's they had less competition.
It would be a lot easier to recruit at Tennessee if Clemson, USCe, UGA, and maybe a few other neighbors such as Bama, Auburn, and LSU either sucked or at least weren't quite as good as they are currently.
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one fo the biggest differences for the Huskers from the good old daze is that regional programs in the Midwest are doing better and getting more recruits that were easy picks for the Huskers.
The Hawkeyes, Cyclones, Gophers, ND Bison, K-state Wildcats, Mizzou and even Kansas have been able to recruit better on the average than back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's
even taking some recruits out of the state of Nebraska
I think the underlying reason for this is the common factor that has made things tricky for all three of the schools I listed above (UNL, UTK, and M). That factor is the proliferation of televised games.
My impression is that in the earlier period teams like the Cornhuskers, Volunteers, and Wolverines were on TV a lot more than schools like Iowa, Minnesota North Dakota, Kansas, etc. Thus, I think that back then a kid from say Missouri might be a recruiting battle between three Helmets (UNL, UTK, M), but now maybe he stays home and goes to Mizzou.
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For Nebraska, I think part of it is ......the bags of cash are lighter, and the roids program isn't as prevalent.
They had the most intimidating teams for my money. Downright scary. A freaking machine.
I still believe the '95 Huskers were the most dominant team I've ever seen.
And perhaps, a little nostalgia on my part, but I miss them being good. Can we trade out Oklahoma for Nebraska?
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who can forget the absolute beat down Nebraska threw on an undefeated UF Spurrier team.....maybe the worst beat down Spurrier ever took.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-UNP-2YswY
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Can we trade out Oklahoma for Nebraska?
Amen, brutha!
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who can forget the absolute beat down Nebraska threw on an undefeated UF Spurrier team.....maybe the worst beat down Spurrier ever took.
I'll never forget, I was there that night
and all the pre-game talk was about Spurrier being an offensive genius and headed for an NFL career, while Osborne was past his prime with a dinosaur offense
It's blocking & tackling folks. Win the LOS
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I think the underlying reason for this is the common factor that has made things tricky for all three of the schools I listed above (UNL, UTK, and M). That factor is the proliferation of televised games.
My impression is that in the earlier period teams like the Cornhuskers, Volunteers, and Wolverines were on TV a lot more than schools like Iowa, Minnesota North Dakota, Kansas, etc. Thus, I think that back then a kid from say Missouri might be a recruiting battle between three Helmets (UNL, UTK, M), but now maybe he stays home and goes to Mizzou.
I will agree. Some programs were just going to get better such as the Hawkeyes under Hayden. They didn't get many televised games back in the 80's they just built a program regardless. Same with Wild Bill Snyder at K-state and Bill McCartney at Colorado and the Bison in North Dakota is an even better story
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I am completely agnostic about Nebraska but it boggles my mind a little that a wealthy Big Ten team would fart around over $7 million. The fans know he is done, the players know he is done, the recruits know he is done and saving $7 million seems like a big price to pay for a throwaway season.
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I think Oklahoma COULD "do a Nebraska" in the next decade.
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I am completely agnostic about Nebraska but it boggles my mind a little that a wealthy Big Ten team would fart around over $7 million. The fans know he is done, the players know he is done, the recruits know he is done and saving $7 million seems like a big price to play for a throwaway season.
I don't disagree at all, but man, who are they gonna get right now?
The new OC? How would that go over with the other coaches who have been there from the start?
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I am completely agnostic about Nebraska but it boggles my mind a little that a wealthy Big Ten team would fart around over $7 million. The fans know he is done, the players know he is done, the recruits know he is done and saving $7 million seems like a big price to play for a throwaway season.
I agree which is why I don't believe it. It's the kind of thing that the mediots latch onto and try to sell, because it sort of makes sense on the surface. But thinking about it deeper, $7M is pretty minimal. I don't think they're waiting until the buyout drops, I think they're waiting until they have something else lined up.
I think Oklahoma COULD "do a Nebraska" in the next decade.
Fingers crossed! :)
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Or they could "do a Texas" also ...
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Or they could "do a Texas" also ...
Sure, as long as we flip flop positions I'm all good.
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I don't disagree at all, but man, who are they gonna get right now?
The new OC? How would that go over with the other coaches who have been there from the start?
this
it's a throw away season at this point, what's to gain by canning Frost this week or before Oct. 1st?
Who are you going to get besides someone that's not currently employed?
If they could get Urban Meyer, they would certainly can Frost this minute, but that's not happening
Would Meyer even want to announce this move that this time, or simply start working behind the scenes and undercover?
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College football made its return on Saturday, and a lot of people turned in. Especially to FOX’s coverage of the Nebraska-Northwestern game.
The Aer Lingus College Football Classic did pretty well for itself. It was the most-watched sports telecast of the day across any network with 4.4 million viewers. The viewership numbers were also up 35% from last season’s Week 0 matchup of Illinois-Nebraska. There was also a streaming average minute audience of 76,510, which is 24% higher than last year.
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From afar it seems anyone with the term interim in their title beats the current job description of dead man walking but I am sure you guys closer to the program know better. Good luck Huskers, this sucks for everyone involved and if there was an obvious solution the smart guys would have taken it.
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yup, a few seasons ago, Frost was an absolute slam dunk hire
there were a few that thought a jump from UCF to the Big Ten might not go real well, but no one was saying it was a bad hire at the time.
no guarantees on the next one
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Scott Frost was trying to ease tensions with the fanbase on Tuesday. He made a joke about losing 1-possession games per Kaleb Henry of KLIN Radio.
Nebraska’s upcoming opponent North Dakota has also had trouble in close games. Frost quickly made a self-deprecating joke about the Huskers record in those situations.
“They lost a lot of close games,” said Frost. “I don’t know how anybody does that.”
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yup, a few seasons ago, Frost was an absolute slam dunk hire
there were a few that thought a jump from UCF to the Big Ten might not go real well, but no one was saying it was a bad hire at the time.
no guarantees on the next one
Aside from like Saban and Urban there is no such thing a sure thing slam dunk hire in the sport. Basically just two guys in the whole thing.
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agreed, but there was absolutely no one predicting Frost's record to this point
not even close
not even the haters
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Which other coaches could be considered "solid hires"? Kelly? Smart? The Clemson fellow? Fickle?
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I agree which is why I don't believe it. It's the kind of thing that the mediots latch onto and try to sell, because it sort of makes sense on the surface. But thinking about it deeper, $7M is pretty minimal. I don't think they're waiting until the buyout drops, I think they're waiting until they have something else lined up.
i think it is pretty simple. they decided to give him another season months ago. you don't reverse course after one game. there is nothing to save as it pertains to this season so waiting until oct 1 is whatev. that is a bad fball team, not much diff than last season, just different players. there's no one on that staff who's going to fix it this year. sure the $7 mill is whatev to them, but what's the payoff in not waiting? i think the mediots are right, keep the $. or shoot, wait until the end of the season. it doesn't matter when they fire him whether it's sept/oct/nov/dec.
frankly it's shocking how bad frost is
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this
it's a throw away season at this point, what's to gain by canning Frost this week or before Oct. 1st?
Who are you going to get besides someone that's not currently employed?
If they could get Urban Meyer, they would certainly can Frost this minute, but that's not happening
Would Meyer even want to announce this move that this time, or simply start working behind the scenes and undercover?
i would not have bothered posting if i'd read this far.
idk what the neb job is exactly at this point but i don't think urban is going there, his next job will be bigger.
campbell.....i would think he's sorry he stayed at this point given the landscape. chris peterson...could call him too.
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I am completely agnostic about Nebraska but it boggles my mind a little that a wealthy Big Ten team would fart around over $7 million. The fans know he is done, the players know he is done, the recruits know he is done and saving $7 million seems like a big price to pay for a throwaway season.
Are you saying they should’ve fired him in the off-season over the $15 million? Or that they should fire him now?
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Dave Aranda seems to be well respected
Lincoln would be a step up from Waco, especially with UT and OU leaving the Big 12
no money there in Waco
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baylor has $ but i agree with the rest of that. also can't beat their locale to talent obv.
i also agree with your post in here about nil helping neb. i expect them to spend their way back eventually.
notre dame could buy a nc in this environment too - provided they aren't too arrogant to "stoop" with the rest of the degenerates. given the way they are recruiting perhaps they are doing just that.
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Baylor has money, but not money like Nebraska
and the gap will get wider as the new Big Ten TV contract kicks in and the Big 12 negotiates a new TV contract
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it doesn't matter when they fire him whether it's sept/oct/nov/dec.
I completely agree with this statement, which is why I think the mediots are wrong when they repeat the tired line about the buyout being the reason they're waiting. The buyout is irrelevant.
What's more important is figuring out who's going to take over. Whether it's an interim solution or a final solution, they don't have it figured out yet, so there's no point in doing anything now. They might or might not decide on a plan before the buyout drops. They might or might not decide on a plan before the end of the season.
Regardless, the buyout isn't what's driving current behavior and it won't be what drives future behavior.
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What do you gain for firing him now versus October 2?
I know what you gain if you wait.
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well, you would show OAM that yer not gonna settle
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Yeah, there is that. Florida has been firing and hiring a lot of late. Maybe they will find someone decent and not mediocre some time.
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idk what the neb job is exactly at this point but i don't think urban is going there, his next job will be bigger.
Idk man, I'm thinking Urban might be done. I thought he'd be at USC and then that didn't happen. Unless Texas comes at him with ungodly amounts of money after they fire Sark, think Urbs is donezo.
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I think if I'm Nebraska I just fire the guy right now and hire the search firm. No point keeping a lame duck around if you ask me.
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Scott Frost is 5-21 in one possession games. Holy shit.
Worst in all of the FBS over that timespan.
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apparently the curse is STRONG
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I think if I'm Nebraska I just fire the guy right now and hire the search firm. No point keeping a lame duck around if you ask me.
There are 7.5 million reasons to keep him around until Oct. 2.
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There are 7.5 million reasons to keep him around until Oct. 2.
I mean, I guess. What's $7.5 million though when the new TV deal alone will bring Nebraska like $100 million. Every. Single. Year. There are old rich white men with wayyyyy too much money that are die hard Nebraska boosters that would all pitch in couple hundred K a pop at least and cut checks to get rid of Frost's ass tomorrow.
Idk if it's me, I'm canning his ass today and starting my search right now.
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7.5 million is mice nuts and Nebraska boosters and administration know it. They're not making any decisions based on that buyout. If they wait, it'll have nothing to do with the buyout and everything to do with trying to get their next steps lined up without falling flat on their faces.
I think if I'm Nebraska I just fire the guy right now and hire the search firm. No point keeping a lame duck around if you ask me.
Flipside, is it's kind of stupid to make that move, when you have zero idea what your next move is.
Look no further than Texas' last 3 coaching firing and hiring missteps.
If the worry is the recruiting class, well then keeping a lame duck around isn't going to be any better or worse than having no coach at all.
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it’s mice nuts when it’s someone else’s $. when it’s my $ it’s $7.5 million. the issue most simply put is there is $7.5 million to be gained by waiting, nothing to be lost by waiting, and nothing to be gained by not waiting. so i’d keep the $ if it’s my check to write.
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Idk man, I'm thinking Urban might be done. I thought he'd be at USC and then that didn't happen. Unless Texas comes at him with ungodly amounts of money after they fire Sark, think Urbs is donezo.
def possible
he’s pretty young though i chalk that up to timing.
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I mean, I guess. What's $7.5 million though when the new TV deal alone will bring Nebraska like $100 million. Every. Single. Year. There are old rich white men with wayyyyy too much money that are die hard Nebraska boosters that would all pitch in couple hundred K a pop at least and cut checks to get rid of Frost's ass tomorrow.
Idk if it's me, I'm canning his ass today and starting my search right now.
I mean, just start the search, save the money. You can do all the groundwork with him still there. Not rules against it. At worst, you really hurt his feelings, boo hoo. And getting a public start three weeks early in September is basically worthless.
And that department took $54 million from the rainy day fund in the past couple years. No reason to give away more than a 20th of your department budget because you can't wait three weeks.
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I just think many of you are putting too much stock in that 7.5M.
If Urbs told them, "I'll come coach you tomorrow if you fire Frost and eat that 7.5M" they'd do it in a heartbeat.
That's an extreme hypothetical of course, but it's demonstrative. If the right post-Frost situation presented itself today and they'd miss out if they chose to wait until after the buyout drops, then they wouldn't wait.
The 7.5M isn't dictating the timing. Figuring out the next steps, is what is dictating the timing.
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I just think many of you are putting too much stock in that 7.5M.
If Urbs told them, "I'll come coach you tomorrow if you fire Frost and eat that 7.5M" they'd do it in a heartbeat.
That's an extreme hypothetical of course, but it's demonstrative. If the right post-Frost situation presented itself today and they'd miss out if they chose to wait until after the buyout drops, then they wouldn't wait.
The 7.5M isn't dictating the timing. Figuring out the next steps, is what is dictating the timing.
I don't think I'm really "putting stock" in that.
You describe a situation. "If the right post-Frost situation presented itself today and they'd miss out if they chose to wait until after the buyout drops." That situation to this point has literally never happend. And it's very, very, very unlikely that it will happen.
So if you ignore a thing that isn't going to happen, you look at what's next. And you weigh saving money vs. the general feelings, you'll roll with the money and call it a day. Now, you might not have a good idea of that next step after it drops, but you might just pull the trigger when feelings and threats from the money (meaning the people with the money) grow too large.
(There's also the addendum that getting a public jump on a search is ... only so valuable. The coach you want is not going to publicly accept the job until Nov. 27 or Dec. 4. That means even if you fire your coach, do your due diligence, get the guy to agree in principle by Nov. 1, a better job can shitcan its coach that way, offer more at a better job and take your guy just like that)
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I mean, I guess. What's $7.5 million though when the new TV deal alone will bring Nebraska like $100 million.
It is precisely 7.5%.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU4K0HiQzHA
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Baylor has money, but not money like Nebraska
and the gap will get wider as the new Big Ten TV contract kicks in and the Big 12 negotiates a new TV contract
Yes they do. Lots of money in Waco.
If Warren would step up to the buffet, Lincoln might have the money Waco does.
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If you don't have a new coach lined up, just save the $7.5 and move along, what's lost if you don't? Nothing.
No interim coach would do better. He could do worse. Sure, if Urban Meyer calls up you eat it, otherwise, why change now?
Maybe you'd move with some other candidates like Aranda or Dabo or ... but to go interim? No reason to do so IMHO. And they don't appear to be moving.
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Dave Aranda is a California boy. Bakersfield.
He knows that the UCLA job will be open sooner than later, and he knows UCLA is going B1G.
Much easier to recruit California from LA than it is from Lincoln.
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Yeah, that's my point, I don't see anyone especially lining up to go to Lincoln who is an established coach. They could hire someone relatively unknown, maybe even Fickle, maybe, maybe not. But IF I couldn't get the guy I wanted NOW, I'd just wait for the $7.5.
I thought Harsin was gone at Auburn, but he wasn't, I think in large part because they are waiting for "their guy" to be available.
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They thought Harsin was their guy.
There is always gonna be a guy.
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Harsin only been there one year. This is year 5 for Frost, and he just got beat by Northwestern in his opener as a 14 point favorite.
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So, why fire Frost NOW and put in an interim? What do you gain? (This presumes a top coach is not in waiting.)
I would probably keep him until I had a viable succession plan and not end up like Tennessee having to go with Choice # 8.
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So, why fire Frost NOW and put in an interim? What do you gain? (This presumes a top coach is not in waiting.)
I would probably keep him until I had a viable succession plan and not end up like Tennessee having to go with Choice # 8.
I thought it was 38?
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I thought it was Jon Gruden.
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So, why fire Frost NOW and put in an interim? What do you gain? (This presumes a top coach is not in waiting.)
The only reason I can see to fire him before the deadline for the $7.5M other than wild hypotheticals is if the wheels obviously fall off and he just completely loses control of his staff and players.
I do think that is a realistic risk because the staff and players aren't stupid. They can read the speculation just like we can so a lot of them are going to realize that they need a personal exit strategy because the HC is extremely unlikely to be in Lincoln next year.
I would probably keep him until I had a viable succession plan and not end up like Tennessee having to go with Choice # 8.
I frankly think that having a viable plan in this situation is overrated. IMHO hiring a coach involves a lot of luck and there aren't any sure-fire choices. Thus, on some level, getting it right can simply be an issue of volume. Ie, keep trying and you are bound to get it right eventually. At this point it is abundantly clear that Frost is NOT the right guy. Conversely, there is a non-zero chance that Nebraska's #8 (or #38) choice actually IS the right guy. For that reason, I think Nebraska would be better off with choice #8 (or #38) than with Frost.
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They could go with Whipple to coach the rest of the year, or would that cause a Ripple Effect and make things worse?
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I also think it's pretty clear he was not on board with bringing in an OC. A lot of speculation that the onside kick was him trying to inject himself, not liking how hands off he was during the game. Then throwing his offense under the bus after the game for not being creative enough, when his defense got shredded, and Northwestern didn't even pass the ball once in the final 12 minutes
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I thought it was 38?
Easy now....
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I thought it was Jon Gruden.
It damn sure wasn't going to be Greg Schiano. ;)
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I also think it's pretty clear he was not on board with bringing in an OC. A lot of speculation that the onside kick was him trying to inject himself, not liking how hands off he was during the game. Then throwing his offense under the bus after the game for not being creative enough, when his defense got shredded, and Northwestern didn't even pass the ball once in the final 12 minutes
Not defending Frost by any means....
But, it seems like a head coach would always make the final call, or at least rubber stamp, an onside kick call.
I doubt any OC has carte blanche on that type of call.
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Not defending Frost by any means....
But, it seems like a head coach would always make the final call, or at least rubber stamp, an onside kick call.
I doubt any OC has carte blanche on that type of call.
Right, that since he wasn't calling the plays, he felt the itch to DO something, so he called the onside kick
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Right, that since he wasn't calling the plays, he felt the itch to DO something, so he called the onside kick
Understood.
That definitely screams of insecurity, and not willing to leave well enough alone. And if that's the case, he seems well on his way to a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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I believe both Tom Herman and Charlie Strong are available, immediately.
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The Husker players of course are not somehow immune in all of this, they hear the talk (duh), and I wonder how it may impact their game prep and psyche. Could they lose one of the next two? It's not beyond the Pale I think ...
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well, ya certainly don't get to 16 pages of this thread if the Huskers win the game
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Syndicated radio host Dan Patrick said a source told him that Nebraska and Arizona State are schools that could be “on to something” and to “keep an eye” on about Meyer’s coaching future.
“Let’s just say this dreamlike, and they might have an opening soon,” Patrick said of Nebraska. “Let’s say Nebraska could be in play for Urban Meyer, maybe, hypothetically.”
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The on sides kick is so improbable though. There's a reason that it's only done in emergencies. It's not the same thing as going for it on 4th and 1 in order to be aggressive and set the tone for the rest of the game. It's just stupid. It has less than a 25% success rate, according to a quick google search.
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I'm guessing it's success rate is higher with the lead than from behind when the opponent is expecting it
it was a bad call, but not horrendous and probably didn't have as much affect on the outcome as some would like to think
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I'm guessing it's success rate is higher with the lead than from behind when the opponent is expecting it
it was a bad call, but not horrendous and probably didn't have as much affect on the outcome as some would like to think
Probably not much data on it. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone crazy enough to try one with a two score lead in the third quarter in college or the pros, but trends have to start somewhere I suppose.
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How do you rank the 2000s Nebraska regimes on sheer entertainment value? Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, but Frost may have officially passed him. It's kind of amazing to watch it all unfold in real time.
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How do you rank the 2000s Nebraska regimes on sheer entertainment value? Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, but Frost may have officially passed him. It's kind of amazing to watch it all unfold in real time.
1. auburn
2. ut
*chasm*
3. big 12 r/a
4. neb
*chasm*
5. scal
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Auburn has an NC sprinkled in there somewhere. LSU has been pretty entertaining. But, the question is which Nebbie admin has been entertaining.
None I'd say for their fans.
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None for their fans, but from an outsiders perspective it can be ranked objectively.
All of the post-Lloyd Michigan regimes still crush Frost on sheer entertainment value.
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It damn sure wasn't going to be Greg Schiano. ;)
He'd do well there IMO.
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Right, that since he wasn't calling the plays, he felt the itch to DO something, so he called the onside kick
I heard a theory that it might have been an alignment thing instead of a pure call.
I.e., The way in Northwestern set its front line is vulnerable sometimes, and the kicker/kick team was just supposed to go for it if they saw that
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The on sides kick is so improbable though. There's a reason that it's only done in emergencies. It's not the same thing as going for it on 4th and 1 in order to be aggressive and set the tone for the rest of the game. It's just stupid. It has less than a 25% success rate, according to a quick google search.
This isn’t an argument for it, but worth remembering that the statistics aren’t all that valuable because something like 90% of onside kicks are expected, with eight or nine guys playing up.
So the math is a little different with four guys on the front. Granted, it’s also trying to get a football to bounce in the way that you want it to, which might as well be herding cats
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How do you rank the 2000s Nebraska regimes on sheer entertainment value? Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, but Frost may have officially passed him. It's kind of amazing to watch it all unfold in real time.
Pelini was the undisputed champion in my book, Frost has no chance to catch him
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The Golden era with Pelini as head coach and his brother Carl at DC. 2 angry Pelinis river dancing down the sideline against A&M in 2010.
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from the official website...........
HUSKERS UNABLE TO OVERCOME FLAGS, AGGIES
Texas A&M managed one more field goal than penalty-plagued Nebraska could muster as the Huskers lost 9-6 in a defensive battle marked by several controversial moments.
After a 3-3 first half and a scoreless third quarter, Randy Bullock gave the Aggies their first lead with a 28-yard field goal with 14:33 left in the game. Alex Henery tied the score at 6-6 with a 29-yard boot with 8:31 remaining.
However, the Aggies answered with a 19-yard Bullock field goal with 3:02 left. Texas A&M’s winning drive was extended by a roughing-the-passer penalty on Husker safety Courtney Osborne on third-and-11. Instead of 4th-and-11 at the NU 49, A&M had a 1st-and-10 at the NU 34. Cyrus Gray covered 32 yards on five consecutive runs for the Aggies to set up the winning field goal.
Osborne’s penalty was the 15th of a school-record 16 called against the Huskers.
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last season in the Big 12
Aggies had 2 penalties for 10 yards
Huskers 16 for 145
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changed my mind about refs throwing games
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I heard a theory that it might have been an alignment thing instead of a pure call.
I.e., The way in Northwestern set its front line is vulnerable sometimes, and the kicker/kick team was just supposed to go for it if they saw that
Then that's still on the staff, for not putting parameters out there. I remember Michigan's punter did that once on like 4th and long from deep in his own territory, and RR deflected all blame, saying the kid saw a look and went for it. That's when you knew for sure he was basically done
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I don't think the kicker made the call on the field
should look back at the replay to see if there's a hand signal or something
you'd have to let the guys on either side of the kicker know somehow
I think it was Frost's call on the sideline before sending the kick team onto the field
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“I made the (onside) call,” Frost said, via Nebraska On3’s Steven Sipple (https://twitter.com/steven_sipple/status/1563626302971645952). “So it’s on me. I thought if we got it, we could end the game.”
Frost was also asked if he’d make the same call again, and he had a blunt response.
“If I had it over,” he said, “I wouldn’t make the call.”
Nebraska got out to a red-hot start in the first half behind new quarterback Casey Thompson (https://www.on3.com/db/casey-thompson-19117/) in new offensive coordinator Mark Whipple’s system. The Texas (https://www.on3.com/teams/texas-longhorns/) transfer led the Cornhuskers on an impressive opening drive (https://www.on3.com/college/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/casey-thompson-leads-nebraska-touchdown-first-drive-of-season-northwestern-dublin-ireland-isaiah-garcia-castaneda/) which culminated with a touchdown pass to Isaiah Garcia-Castaneda (https://www.on3.com/db/isaiah-garcia-castaneda-49493/). Then, Thompson ran a quarterback sneak into the end zone to make it 14-3 Nebraska.
In fact, Thompson showed off some of his playmaking ability (https://www.on3.com/college/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/casey-thompson-showcases-playmaking-ability-completes-impressive-pass-vs-northwestern-isaiah-garcia-castaneda-scramble/) in the third quarter when he extended a play before finding Garcia-Castaneda for a first down.
One of Nebraska’s biggest pieces ended up missing most of the second half, though. Tight end Travis Vokolek (https://www.on3.com/db/travis-vokolek-114753/) went down with an injury in the third quarter (https://www.on3.com/college/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/travis-vokolek-leaves-nebraska-game-vs-northwestern-with-apparent-injury-dublin-ireland/) and didn’t return to the field, which was quite a blow to the Cornhuskers offense. He had three catches for 40 yards when he exited the game.
Now, Frost drops to 5-21 in one-score games since taking over at Nebraska in 2018 — the worst mark in FBS. Next up for the Cornhuskers is matchup with North Dakota back home in Lincoln on Sept. 3.
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of course, if the Huskers DO recover the onside kick and score to go up 18 and win the game by any margin, Frost looks like a genius and has solved all his issues
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if the Huskers DO recover the onside kick and score to go up 18 and win the game by any margin, Frost looks like a genius and has solved all his issues
Agreed.
However, if Nebraska's defense is as weak as it showed against Northwestern an onside kick should be discouraged in that circumstance.
I suspect that the odds of recovering an onside kick are higher when it is completely unexpected than it is in the last 2-minutes of a game when it is expected. According to the NFL, the odds of recovering an onside kick are very low:
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]The all-time recovery rate on onside kicks is 13.2%, [/color]according to NFL Operations (https://operations.nfl.com/stats-central/stats-articles/why-fourth-and-15-from-the-25-insight-into-the-nfl-s-experiment-with-an-onside-kick-alternative/)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]. But that number has dropped to around 10% since 2018 because of new kicking rules. NFL rule changes: The NFL is reportedly going to keep the onside kick (usatoday.com)
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/nfl-onside-kick-alternative-rule-change)[/color]
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Agreed.
However, if Nebraska's defense is as weak as it showed against Northwestern an onside kick should be discouraged in that circumstance.
there's no reason to think the Cats don't go 75 yards for the same TD if the ball is kicked deep
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This isn’t an argument for it, but worth remembering that the statistics aren’t all that valuable because something like 90% of onside kicks are expected, with eight or nine guys playing up.
So the math is a little different with four guys on the front. Granted, it’s also trying to get a football to bounce in the way that you want it to, which might as well be herding cats
My research says onside kicks are recovered just under 16% of the time WHEN THEY'RE EXPECTED.
Unexpected?
42%
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But that's not the point.
Whether it was a good call or not, if there is one coach in the country in that game situation that absolutely CANNOT make that call, it's Frost.
But he did it.
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there's no reason to think the Cats don't go 75 yards for the same TD if the ball is kicked deep
I get this point, but the "odds" since we're talking percentages are lower from the 25 obviously. Mistakes get made. And your offense would be resting (so would their defense).
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the odds of losing that many one score games is not good, but they're just odds
as they say, the football isn't round, it bounces funny
funny strange
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Urban Meyer? ..... that would be.... interesting.
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perhaps he is looking for a challenge? :)
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On Thursday’s edition of a new video podcast, Urban’s Takes with Tim May, the legendary head coach addressed several different topics, including what he thought about Frost’s decision to kick an onside kick while his team was up 28-17 on the Northwestern Wildcats and made it very clear that Meyer does not believe that call was the reason the Huskers lost the game.
The segment in question was started by his co-host, Tim May talking about the decision and making it clear that he didn’t agree with it. In doing so, May made several of the same comments that Cornhuskers fans worldwide have been making for about a week. The onside kick put the Huskers’ defense under the gun. He added that it killed momentum for a team that needed it.
However, when Meyer began opining on the issue, he made it clear quickly that he had a different take. While he started admitting that Frost is “struggling,” he added that he’s got a proven track record when taking a struggling program in UCF and taking them to what the Golden Knights faithful consider a national championship.
“I’ve known him a long time, he’s a national champion as a player, I mean the guy’s a tough guy. I sat in meetings with him and he’s a very smart guy. I’ve never been one of those guys that questions a head coach because I’ve sat there.”
After laying out his opening statement, Meyer then went into detail about why he doesn’t find fault with the Nebraska football head coach’s choice despite being up 28-17.
The former Ohio State head coach then laid out then on his playsheet, there were three situations that might call for “risk” at the level of an onside kick. The first was “to win a game.” The second situation would be to “get back into a game.”
The ex-Jacksonville Jaguars coach pointed to a fake punt that he ran in a 2016 game when he was trying to get back into a contest. He also pointed out that the fake punt he tried back then did not work.
The third and final reason that Meyer said he would take a risk like an onside kick was what he called a “checkmate move.”
He then explained that he talked to his team every year about being in a prize fight in a boxing match, and they have their opponent on the ropes. That would be the time to take that swing and get the knockout or the “checkmate.”
This certainly falls in line with what the Nebraska football head coach said after the game about “being aggressive,” and it definitely underlines that not everybody thought the onside kick was such an egregious decision.
“The program is struggling, their single score games they’re not very good at, he saw an opportunity from video; and maybe I think I heard him say that earlier in the game he saw it and it wasn’t executed.”
Meyer then expanded on the idea that there was plenty of game left and that the defense could not stop Northwestern for most of the rest of the game. He added the offense stopped scoring as well.
It’s clear from Meyer’s words that he doesn’t think the onside kick should have been a backbreaker. Whether this is a coach who had already said he wouldn’t criticize coaches or wheat he really thought at the time is going to be up for debate.
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Why is this thread still going?