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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: EastAthens on July 20, 2022, 09:34:51 AM
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If Ohio State gets their linebackers straightened out they will be impossible to beat. Their offense seems unstoppable.
If Alabama gets their offensive line straightened out they will be impossible to beat. Gibbs is my early Heisman choice.
Penn State and Mississippi State will be way better than people think.
Clemson's defense will be simply spectacular.
Miami seems to be back which should be scary for everybody.
Stetson Bennett is going to show the f out this year.
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FOOTBAL? Is that within the guidelines of the Forum Charter?
Damn I swear this is the longest off-season somebody screwing with the sands of time
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Clemson's defense will be simply spectacular.
Miami seems to be back which should be scary for everybody.
former longtime defensive coordinator, Brent Venables, is now at Oklahoma
and folks have been bullish on the Canes before
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My team on the upside is UCLA, as mentioned before. A lot of teams are complete mysteries to me, probably a 4-5 game swing possible, Florida, Clemson, A&M, Texas, USC, Eastern Michigan, ... LSU, Ole Miss, ...
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Utah is going to repeat as Pac 12 champs, while USC will only win 8 games.
Texas isn't going to contend in the Big XII. Hard to say whether Baylor, Oklahoma or Okie State wins it, but not Texas. Kansas wins 6 games.
SEC will be nice and boring with Georgia vs. Alabama in a possibly undefeated matchup. Both teams make the playoffs of course. Vanderbilt will be the class of the conference in a few years, at least according to their coach.
In the Big Ten, we'll have Ohio State vs. Purdue in Indy. Maryland and Illinois go bowling. Nebraska is Nebraska again with 7 or more losses.
ACC will probably see Clemson win it, but they'll lose a game or two along the way.
Cincinnati and Michigan State go back to 7 or 8 wins, after great seasons in 2022.
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so basically, nothing changes from last season
that's going out on a limb, because that never happens from one season to the next
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If Ohio State gets their linebackers straightened out they will be impossible to beat. Their offense seems unstoppable.
If Alabama gets their offensive line straightened out they will be impossible to beat. Gibbs is my early Heisman choice.
Penn State and Mississippi State will be way better than people think.
Clemson's defense will be simply spectacular.
Miami seems to be back which should be scary for everybody.
Stetson Bennett is going to show the f out this year.
With OSU- it is all about the scheme.
they were incredibly basic and predictable under Coombs- it was easy for Oregon and UM to isolate LBs and outnumber them at the point of attack- - or, to put them in decisions where you could make them wrong easily.
I would suggest they have several excellent LBs. We will see how much Knowles can get done in year 1- but it is NOT a question of talent.
If he makes good progress- they will be a decent team and a tough out.
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Usually, about three teams in the preseason ranked 3-10 drop fairly far, like to 8-5ish. The top three teams rarely have poor seasons, they usually finish top ten. Obviously, 4-5-6 teams below 25 will end up doing pretty good, finishing top 20ish.
Somebody will get an injury bug. I see USc and Texas in some top tens, meh. Helmet. LSU is interesting. Look at the talent rankings, that usually tells much of the story. Who had the top ranked talent last year?
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Michigan was a glaring one last year. The talent said they would contend, but we were all skeptical. Again, it looks like they have the talent of a top 5-10 team. I think they'll be right there again this year, but hoping the Game goes to the Buckeyes this time.
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Yup, and they did, while Texas has talent and didn't.
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Michigan motivated the head coach with a contract redo and a stern warning
I'm hoping the same strategy might work on Scott Frost
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I did like the hire of Whipple from Pittsburgh to be the OC. And then Casey Thompson will bring some more stability as well. I'm just stuck in believe it when I see it mode with Nebraska. I guess I was with Michigan last year, so let's see if I'm wrong again here.
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fingers crossed
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Nebbie is a good pick to do better than expected I think mostly because they had so many close losses last year. Teams like that often regress to the mean.
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It's now or never for my Gophers to win some league hardware. 6th year QB, an all-everything at C (John Michael Schmitz), Mo Ibrahim crushing dudes coming out of the backfield, and a solid back 7.
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Nebbie is a good pick to do better than expected I think mostly because they had so many close losses last year. Teams like that often regress to the mean.
I agree that part of it is simply regression to the mean. Teams aren't likely to go 0-9 in one score games twice in a row.
The other part is the Nebraska can improve their record immensely with just a modest one score per game improvement:
Their three wins were all blowouts:
- By 49 over NU
- By 45 over Fordham
- By 25 over Buffalo
Their nine losses were all close:
- By 9 to tOSU
- By 8 to IL
- By 7 to OU, MN, UW, IA
- By 5 to PU
- By 3 to MSU, M
A slightly better team could have been 9-3.
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I think the same is often true with turnovers. If you got bit last year, you may upswing this year, and vice versa.
A team with close losses last year AND a negative TO margin should be primed.
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I think the same is often true with turnovers. If you got bit last year, you may upswing this year, and vice versa.
A team with close losses last year AND a negative TO margin should be primed.
I'd love to see a serious data analysis on the subject of training your defense to make sure tackles vs training them to go for turnovers.
I have no idea where you'd get solid data but consider these two choices:
- Give up 4.0 yards per play (best in the nation, Wisconsin in 2021) and force an average of two turnovers per game (if I'm reading it right, UW forced 24 turnovers in 2021 so almost two per game). Or
- Give up 5.1 yards per play (#35 in the nation, Ohio State in 2021) and force X turnovers per game.
What would X have to exceed for you to select #2 over #1?
In 2021 the Buckeyes actually forced only 20 turnovers (less than UW) but what if they had forced 2.5 per game or 3 per game?
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I think an interesting stat for turnovers is fumbles vs. fumbles lost. INTs you should control, but the amount of times you recover your own fumble vs. losing it and vice-versa is mostly random chance.
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I think a lot of INTs are random chance, or close to that. Even when a QB misreads a safety or doesn't see him, it's semi-random, even the best do it. Then there are tipped balls that fall to the turf or get scooped. And of course some QBs play "loose" and think they can force it in there but can't.
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I think Int should be divided into two categories
tipped balls or juggled balls which are intercepted should not be a stat against the QB
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It probably evens out with QB comparisons, but a team can get snakebit one year on TOs and then do better then next. I don't know if that happened to Nebraska or not, but a TO or 2 in a close game means a loss usually.
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I think the same is often true with turnovers. If you got bit last year, you may upswing this year, and vice versa.
A team with close losses last year AND a negative TO margin should be primed.
Huskers have had horrible TO margin for years. Even before Frost and Adrian M.
the worm needs to turn!
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I'd love to see a serious data analysis on the subject of training your defense to make sure tackles vs training them to go for turnovers.
I have no idea where you'd get solid data but consider these two choices:
- Give up 4.0 yards per play (best in the nation, Wisconsin in 2021) and force an average of two turnovers per game (if I'm reading it right, UW forced 24 turnovers in 2021 so almost two per game). Or
- Give up 5.1 yards per play (#35 in the nation, Ohio State in 2021) and force X turnovers per game.
What would X have to exceed for you to select #2 over #1?
In 2021 the Buckeyes actually forced only 20 turnovers (less than UW) but what if they had forced 2.5 per game or 3 per game?
Relatively a big number. 1.1 yards per play is immense!
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I think Int should be divided into two categories
tipped balls or juggled balls which are intercepted should not be a stat against the QB
How about the other way, when a defender has the ball hit him in the face, chest, or both hands and he doesn't catch it? That's probably more common than tips + juggles combined.
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Relatively a big number. 1.1 yards per play is immense!
Oh, I agree but turnovers have a humongous impact on games. My point was that there IS a number above which you WOULD make that trade.
Ie, if I told you you could choose between:
- UF 2022 gives up 4.0 ypp and forces zero turnovers, or
- UF 2022 gives up 5.1 ypp and forces 6 turnovers per game.
I assume you'd choose #2. I certainly would for my team. Sure, 1.1 ypp is a lot but 6 turnovers per game more than makes up for it. I'm curious where the tradeoff becomes even.
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I figure a TO on average is worth 3-4 points on the board, sometimes with a negative sign. With high scoring offenses it's worth more obviously.
And it can be deceiving if you lost the TO battle in competitive games but won it handily in blow outs over pastries.
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How about the other way, when a defender has the ball hit him in the face, chest, or both hands and he doesn't catch it? That's probably more common than tips + juggles combined.
Why not both?
I know some folks track dropped picks. Tracking tip ball picks would probably be good too.
I know Bill Connelly does more general stats that weigh PBUs vs picks and then works off that baseline (is your rate high or low?). It’s interesting stuff.
The thing we don’t thing about enough is just how random football is, especially with all the moving pieces.
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I think turnovers are about 75% random events, not due to some proclivity with the player. Some running backs obviously fumble more than others, but the difference is small because if it's large said RB gets limited carries. Some QBs have higher INT ratios of course because they are prone to forcing passes or have poor field vision/understanding.
Often, I think, it's just random.
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I think turnovers are about 75% random events, not due to some proclivity with the player. Some running backs obviously fumble more than others, but the difference is small because if it's large said RB gets limited carries. Some QBs have higher INT ratios of course because they are prone to forcing passes or have poor field vision/understanding.
Often, I think, it's just random.
you give valid reasons for it not being random but say most of the time its random
int which not the QBs fault are random but other then that the QB controls int
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Baseball does a better job with what you guys are getting at. If a hitter hits a fly ball but gets lucky and the outfielder drops it, in Baseball my understanding is that doesn't count against the pitcher or in favor of the hitter. Instead it is an error charged to the outfielder with the pitcher and hitter recording what "should have" happened (a fly out).
We could do that in football:
QB throws a perfect pass, WR bobbles it, CB grabs it. Instead of INT, record as catch/error.
QB throws a terrible pass that hits CB in the numbers, CB drops it. Instead of incomplete, record as INT/error.
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I believe the advanced metrics (PFF) do grade each play
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Baseball does a better job with what you guys are getting at. If a hitter hits a fly ball but gets lucky and the outfielder drops it, in Baseball my understanding is that doesn't count against the pitcher or in favor of the hitter. Instead it is an error charged to the outfielder with the pitcher and hitter recording what "should have" happened (a fly out).
We could do that in football:
QB throws a perfect pass, WR bobbles it, CB grabs it. Instead of INT, record as catch/error.
QB throws a terrible pass that hits CB in the numbers, CB drops it. Instead of incomplete, record as INT/error.
Thats what I was saying tipped passes and juggled catches should not count against the QB
In baseball youre right and if a base runner who got on because of an error later scores its not considered an earned run
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college football is not baseball
I don't want to know that Adrian Martinez is just unlucky and should keep starting games because of metrics
if the team doesn't win and the defense is decent, the QB gits benched!!!
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(https://i.imgur.com/QQ5wRGk.png)
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in Tim's best Yogi Berra voice
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college football is not baseball
I don't want to know that Adrian Martinez is just unlucky and should keep starting games because of metrics
if the team doesn't win and the defense is decent, the QB gits benched!!!
and you speak with so much experience
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I have watched more baseball and football games than most
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Someone starts a topic about the upcoming season and "we" start talking about baseball.
I love it.
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for BadgerFan................
The Miami Hurricanes are ditching the "turnover chain" for the 2022 season, according to first-year coach Mario Cristobal.
Cristobal confirmed the decision Thursday at ACC media days.
"Let's put it this way -- we've been working so hard and paying attention to so many other things that, in my opinion, are much more critical to winning football games and having success that it really hasn't been a subject or a topic," Cristobal said. "We won't be using it."
The turnover chain is an oversized 36-inch, 2.5-kilogram, 10-karat gold chain worn by Miami players on the sideline after forcing a turnover.
The chain has been used by the Hurricanes since the first game of the 2017 season under former coach Mark Richt and remained a sideline feature over the past three seasons under Cristobal's predecessor, Manny Diaz.
Cristobal told the Action Network on Wednesday that the turnover chain is "not part of our culture," according to a tweet from the publication. One day later, Cristobal said that his decision is "not a shot or form of disrespect to anybody or anyone."
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Wisconsin Coach :Turnover Chain My ASS - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ic6WpfbTGY)
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Great, I of course never liked these things, gimmicks.
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I have watched more baseball and football games than most
not as many as me man
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Great, I of course never liked these things, gimmicks.
it always struck me as goofy
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Coach Smart’s annual base salary and supplemental
compensation for the upcoming 2022 campaign will be $10,250,000 with annual
increases, culminating at $12,250,000 for the 2031 season.
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not as many as me man
we are both WAY above the norm
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we are both WAY above the norm
Im the only guy I know who watches every single bowl game every year
My wife really loves that
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Im the only guy I know who watches every single bowl game every year
My wife really loves that
Geesh, I thought everyone did. I watch them twice myself.
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I might miss one or two, but I get almost all of them
I always watch the Husker bowl game 7 or 8 times ............ wait a minute!!!
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Should more teams base from outside zone? Yes or no?
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I have no clue at all.
Who else youse guy got to put a watch on for doing better than expected? (I have UCLA).
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Nebraska
::::::::::::crosses fingers"::::::::::::
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Yeah, I think Nebbie does quite a bit better.
They get three wins to start barring major upset and then OU at home. Maybe that's an L, could be great game. Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, could be 6-1 at that point and ranked. Then the real season starts.
Minny,
@ UM
Wisconsin
@ Iowa
2-2 would be a great outcome at this point I think. That's a 9-3 season, certainly could be one more or less wins there.
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Nebraska schedule:
Northwestern (Dublin, Ireland): W, but man opening against ILL last year should've been too
North Dakota: W
GA Southern: W
Oklahoma: L
Indiana: W, I assume they will be bad again this year, but we'll see
@Rutgers: L, tough road trip against a decent team
@Purdue: L
Illinois: W, tough game, but I think Nebbie will win this one.
Minnesota: L, this is the one they need to win to go bowling.
@Michigan: L
Wisconsin: L
@Iowa: L, but maybe they can finally get this one. So close last year.
So yeah, you have them at 7-1, I have them at 5-3 going into that tough final stretch. Probably they won't lose all of those, but they could also drop a game to Indiana or Northwestern if they are as inconsistent as last year. The schedule is definitely easier, but it's hard for me to say anything is guaranteed outside of ND and GA Southern. Northwestern and Indiana are close, but then every other game is going to be a dog fight.
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Let's have a look at my surprise pick, Maryland. There will of course be some W's that you guys will disagree with.
Buffalo: W
Charlotte: W
SMU: W, should be a great game
@Mich: L
MSU: W, perhaps a surprise to some
Purdue: W, this is a tossup type game, but it's at home
@Indiana: W
Northwestern: W
@Wisconsin: L
@Penn State: L, but some definite upset potential here
Ohio State: L
Rutgers: W
That gives them an 8-4 record.
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Yeah, I think Nebbie does quite a bit better.
They get three wins to start barring major upset and then OU at home. Maybe that's an L, could be great game. Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, could be 6-1 at that point and ranked. Then the real season starts.
Minny,
@ UM
Wisconsin
@ Iowa
2-2 would be a great outcome at this point I think. That's a 9-3 season, certainly could be one more or less wins there.
I'd take 1-3 in the last 4. need to beat Iowa, I live here.
I'd give up a loss to Purdue to get the win over the Sooners
8-4 would be wonderful
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I'd take 1-3 in the last 4. need to beat Iowa, I live here.
I'd give up a loss to Purdue to get the win over the Sooners
8-4 would be wonderful
Definitely pulling for corn over the dirt burglars! :)
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corn gets much more support these daze than we did back in the 90s
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Which first year coach will be the first fired?
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Which first year coach will be the first fired?
Florida or Washington.
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Florida or Washington.
Because we don't accept mediocrity.
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that's why most coaches are fired - everywhere
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Ranking the 50 best defenses in college football history
https://archive.ph/MQTEN#selection-14769.0-14769.56 (https://archive.ph/MQTEN#selection-14769.0-14769.56)
16. 2009 Nebraska
Head coach: Bo Pelini
Scoring defense: 10.4 PPG
Record: 10-4 (14th in the AP poll)
There was no stopping Ndamukong Suh during his dominant career at Nebraska. Matthew Emmons/USA Today SPORTS
The Cornhuskers boasted only one All-American in 2009, but he happened to be the best defensive player of the 2000s. Ndamukong Suh commanded constant double- and triple-teams and still racked up 20.5 TFLs and 12 sacks as Nebraska held 10 opponents under 300 yards and held its last two, Texas (Big 12 championship game) and Arizona (Holiday Bowl), to a combined 311 yards and 13 points.
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Not sure how they omitted Arizona's Desert Swarm in 92 and 93. Around 230 total yds allowed per game.
At least they weren't generic and listed the 65 Spartan defense instead of the famed 66 team's.
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Because we don't accept mediocrity.
... And the new hire just won't be good.
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It came up on another thread, but the 4th down Miller run in the 2014 Big Ten title game was an interesting piece of pure "football."
The call was tactically better than a straight handoff. But it wasn't trusting talent in a certain way (well, to picking a pure downhill runner's pure talent). They had better numbers to the boundary, and end up missing the play on a sort of ridiculous effort from the OLB.
But it was also a bit of having only one outcome and one version of the choice. If they run right into a 6-man front, with the defense accounting for every gap and the safeties likely triggering down, and Hyde gets stopped, folks are lamenting just running up the middle with all the options they had.
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Because we don't accept mediocrity.
Are you expecting this?
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that's why most coaches are fired - everywhere
Then why does Frost still have a job?
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The 3 hired in the same season:
34-15 Mullen
18-25 Chip Kelly
15-29 Frost
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Two of those programs accept mediocrity.
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If your standard is Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer, then you go out and hire a guy named Billy Napier, then you've officially accepted mediocrity.
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If your standard is Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer, then you go out and hire a guy named Billy Napier, then you've officially accepted mediocrity.
My favorite is judging a HC before he's coached a game for your school. It's like grading a draft before the players have suited up. It's brilliant.
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My favorite is judging a HC before he's coached a game for your school. It's like grading a draft before the players have suited up. It's brilliant.
Hi friend. This literally started with you’d saying Napier would be fired first. Which wild mean you’re predicting he’ll be mediocre.
All for the not accepting mediocrity thing, which is always a weird brag.
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Then why does Frost still have a job?
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The 3 hired in the same season:
34-15 Mullen
18-25 Chip Kelly
15-29 Frost
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Two of those programs accept mediocrity.
Frost's seat is thermonuclear meltdown hot. And if anyone at Westwood care about football, Kelly's seat would be too.
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Hi friend. This literally started with you’d saying Napier would be fired first. Which wild mean you’re predicting he’ll be mediocre.
All for the not accepting mediocrity thing, which is always a weird brag.
You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.
I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost. So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.
As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit.
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What we often do here is predict (or guess) about things that may happen in the future knowing we're often wrong. I thought it an interesting question, even before any have coached a game. LSU seems to have the worst fit culturally, which can matter, but won't if he turns them around.
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It came up on another thread, but the 4th down Miller run in the 2014 Big Ten title game was an interesting piece of pure "football."
The call was tactically better than a straight handoff. But it wasn't trusting talent in a certain way (well, to picking a pure downhill runner's pure talent). They had better numbers to the boundary, and end up missing the play on a sort of ridiculous effort from the OLB.
But it was also a bit of having only one outcome and one version of the choice. If they run right into a 6-man front, with the defense accounting for every gap and the safeties likely triggering down, and Hyde gets stopped, folks are lamenting just running up the middle with all the options they had.
The 2014 Big Ten title game was Cardale Jones: bombs over Baghdad, 59-0.
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You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.
I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost. So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.
As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit.
No, you quite literally said that the reason Florida will fire their first year HC before the others was due to their unwillingness to accept mediocrity. Your own reading comprehension is the problem here, or perhaps your ability to remember what you typed and when you typed it.
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Because we don't accept mediocrity.
This was a response to "Florida or Washington". Washington does accept some mediocrity, and the "we" narrows it down to a guess of Florida firing first. I don't know how else to imtrepret this, though it does seem to be grading a coach before he coached his first game.
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In order for Fro's ridiculous excuse to be true, he'd've had to have been replying to the voices in his head instead of what was actually typed in the thread.
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The 2014 Big Ten title game was Cardale Jones: bombs over Baghdad, 59-0.
Back it up a year. Point stands
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You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.
I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost. So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.
As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit.
Cincy: Which first year coach will be the first fired?
Badge: Florida or Washington.
OAM: Because we don't accept mediocrity.
Perhaps you want the most charitable interpretation? Or you could write more clearly.
Anyway, the Mullen firing is interesting, though comparing it to the other two is sort of silly. Kelly is where he is because he's at a school that has less football interest, and just had an upward trend. Nebraska is at this point OK with football that's not mediocre, but actually pretty bad. Which is unfortunate. Florida ... well it's an interesting case. Mullen wasn't fired because of his overall record. If he'd gone 6-6 in Year 1 and 11-2 this year, he'd still be there.
His firing was interesting in many ways because he's interesting. Mullen is an actively disinterested recruiter and all-around one of the most abrasive people in the sport. At least Spurrier could charm someone. He also lacked the Spurrier-level foresight to cover his ass with a good defensive hire. So when he explained that his team didn't bother trying in one of 12 games last year, then had them quit on him down the stretch, well, that was gonna be that.
And it's true, Florida's fanbase is nothing if not impatient. It's a program that across the last 20 years has had a mediocre coach 75% to the time. College sports are weird because people find a way to turn entitlement to the work of others into some kind of badge of honor. Florida has high standards, and keeps hiring mediocre coaches (especially ones with terrible interpersonal skills) and thinking it's notably hotter stuff than it is.
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I thought Mullen was a good hire being on Urbs staff and knew the state .He got out of the gate well his 1st 2 seasons and won both bowl games to boot,some argue they weren't his players.i would've have given him yr 5 unless they were getting killed in recruiting
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At least we now know Florida doesn't tolerate mediocrity ...
... and their new coach could be the first one of the group fired ...
... because Florida doesn't tolerate mediocrity ...
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Florida tolerated Fro being on their campus. That's some serious mediocrity, right there.
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If I'm lucky, and I often am, Florida will "do a Tennessee" and go through coaches like something through a goose.
I haven't read anything notable about the upcoming season, I do see a lot of click bait of course, with a headling like "Oregon to win the NC?".
I do think UGA will drop a regular season game somewhere between MSU/UK/Tenn/UF, lose to Bama, and then play Texas in the Cotton. or something.
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I've always been lucky
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Did I fire six shots, or only five?
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Another ranking ....
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The one that caught my eye was FSU at 8.
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8, 9, & #10
but who else would I put there?
are they going strictly winning percentage???
nope, they left out the Badgers
1 Alabama 0.90780 128 13 0 141
2 Ohio State 0.90000 117 13 0 130
3 Clemson 0.87681 121 17 0 138
4 Oklahoma 0.81679 107 24 0 131
5 Georgia 0.79104 106 28 0 134
6 Appalachian State 0.76923 80 24 0 104
7 Boise State 0.75397 95 31 0 126
8 Wisconsin 0.72093 93 36 0 129
9 Oregon 0.71654 91 36 0 127
10 Notre Dame 0.71028 76 31 0 107
11 Louisiana State 0.70866 90 37 0 127
12 Oklahoma State
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8, 9, & #10
but who else would I put there?
are they going strictly winning percentage???
nope, they left out the Badgers
1 Alabama 0.90780 128 13 0 141
2 Ohio State 0.90000 117 13 0 130
3 Clemson 0.87681 121 17 0 138
4 Oklahoma 0.81679 107 24 0 131
5 Georgia 0.79104 106 28 0 134
6 Appalachian State 0.76923 80 24 0 104
7 Boise State 0.75397 95 31 0 126
8 Wisconsin 0.72093 93 36 0 129
9 Oregon 0.71654 91 36 0 127
10 Notre Dame 0.71028 76 31 0 107
11 Louisiana State 0.70866 90 37 0 127
12 Oklahoma State
I think UW is the lone school in that list that doesn't have a conference title. Can't count 2012 really. That was a fluke.
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it sure was ;)
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OSU would have done the same thing to UNL that day. ;)
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One could of course weight different achievements in such a ranking, NC counts for X, playoff appearance counts for Y, NY6 bowl game counts Z ...
I think a decent ranking is just taking AP final poll positions and giving points 25-1 for finishing 1-25. You might add points for top 5, top 10, etc. Maybe.
But really it's not worth the effort in my view. I had forgotten FSU had some good years early in this decade, that is how fast they have fallen.
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OSU would have done the same thing to UNL that day. ;)
I don't doubt it
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Glad you ne'er do wells got that settled
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enjoy your tattoos
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When did folks start calling DEs "EDGE"?
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the NFL started it
according to Husker coaches that changed their roster labels this spring
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Edge could be an OLB in a 3-4. Or a DE in a 4-3.
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yup, both
if the kid thinks it might help them get to the NFL.... it's a great idea
some older Husker fans still don't like the idea that they no longer designate a RB as an I-back
it's just a label, such as nickle, monster, roamer, ...
Blackshirts calling the nickle back simply "nick"
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You rarely hear the term tailback, either, and even if you do, it just means feature back rather than referring to the actual positioning on the field. And "halfback?" I don't think I've heard that term since I was in peewee football in the late 70s.
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I just glanced at the UGA roster, they have one "FB" listed as such, the others are RB. The defensive positions are pretty simple, DL, LB, DB, they don't list "S" anywhere.
The just say OL, not tackle or guard, and TE.
Dark ages. The I formation seems to be a relic though I did like those toss sweeps back in the day.
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You rarely hear the term tailback, either, and even if you do, it just means feature back rather than referring to the actual positioning on the field. And "halfback?" I don't think I've heard that term since I was in peewee football in the late 70s.
I think tailback is a great name, but as the I got deemphasized, first for the one-back, and now offset in the gun, it’s less descriptive. I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.
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I think they are trying to be a bit different to get clicks, ha.
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When did folks start calling DEs "EDGE"?
Recently. With the proliferation of hybrid backer/end types in modern defenses, it made more sense than naming the big DEs who could be an edge or have an edge next to them.
Plus someone at some level wanted to separate true interior guys into their own class.
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I think UW is the lone school in that list that doesn't have a conference title. Can't count 2012 really. That was a fluke.
Oklahoma State doesn’t have one. Their top seasons are last year’s 12-2 and then three 10-3s.
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I think tailback is a great name, but as the I got deemphasized, first for the one-back, and now offset in the gun, it’s less descriptive. I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.
It was originally from the positioning on the field, based on formations like the I.
The quarterback was behind center and therefore 1/4 of the way deep into the backfield. Halfback was halfway deep in the backfield. And fullback was "fully back" in the backfield.
In that original orientation, the options available were the quarterback keep it, or hand off to the halfback for a "quick-hitter", or wait for the lumbering fullback (who was typically the largest back) to grab the ball and often try to dive or smash his way through the line, perhaps with the halfback lead-blocking unless there was a fake.
In more recent times, the positioning on the field was switched, with the "fullback" designation being associated with the size and strength of the player, rather than his position on the field. So the fullback moved to the halfway position to act as a lead blocker, for the typically faster and more agile RB behind him, who was then referred to as a tailback. But for whatever reasons, the "fullback" designation stayed with that player even after the reversal of on-field positioning.
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I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.
I always wondered the same thing. Behind the line you had:
- A Quarterback
- A Fullback
- A Halfback
It always seemed to me that the names of #2 and #3 were inverted.
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Thanks @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) for the explanation. I always assumed that the inverted nomenclature was a historical relic but I wasn't aware of the details.
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I know UGA plays a "3-4" on defense, but it usually looks like a 4-3, to me. I often watch the QB and linemen point to someone on the D, but often as not, the defensive alignment looks exactly the same as every other play, to me. I know the OL is calling out blocking responsibilities, OK, and maybe the QB is doing the same, perhaps to the RB if it's a pass, I don't know for sure. Then we see audibles called, and I don't know what sparked that in the main.
Of course at times the LBs are crowding the line and in a different position, but then they drop back, or a DE drops back. On some plays I can see just before the snap a blitz is coming of course. I usually can't see that 4 seconds presnap though.
It would be fun to have them miked up, to see who is calling what.
My GUESS is the center is a critically important position for the OL to do well. Miss one blocking assignment and play is blown up.
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I wonder why he's referred to as the Center?
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It was originally from the positioning on the field, based on formations like the I.
The quarterback was behind center and therefore 1/4 of the way deep into the backfield. Halfback was halfway deep in the backfield. And fullback was "fully back" in the backfield.
In that original orientation, the options available were the quarterback keep it, or hand off to the halfback for a "quick-hitter", or wait for the lumbering fullback (who was typically the largest back) to grab the ball and often try to dive or smash his way through the line, perhaps with the halfback lead-blocking unless there was a fake.
In more recent times, the positioning on the field was switched, with the "fullback" designation being associated with the size and strength of the player, rather than his position on the field. So the fullback moved to the halfway position to act as a lead blocker, for the typically faster and more agile RB behind him, who was then referred to as a tailback. But for whatever reasons, the "fullback" designation stayed with that player even after the reversal of on-field positioning.
Interesting. More googling led to something about rugby. Still interesting
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I know UGA plays a "3-4" on defense, but it usually looks like a 4-3, to me. I often watch the QB and linemen point to someone on the D, but often as not, the defensive alignment looks exactly the same as every other play, to me. I know the OL is calling out blocking responsibilities, OK, and maybe the QB is doing the same, perhaps to the RB if it's a pass, I don't know for sure. Then we see audibles called, and I don't know what sparked that in the main.
Of course at times the LBs are crowding the line and in a different position, but then they drop back, or a DE drops back. On some plays I can see just before the snap a blitz is coming of course. I usually can't see that 4 seconds presnap though.
It would be fun to have them miked up, to see who is calling what.
My GUESS is the center is a critically important position for the OL to do well. Miss one blocking assignment and play is blown up.
A lot of that would make more sense with end zone shots, so you could see the alignment well.
I’d delve into 4-3 vs 3-4, but the meaning is so variable now. UW is a 2-4-5 most of the time, with a nominal3-4 base.
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Stoops coming out of retirement?
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Stoops coming out of retirement?
Does seem a little weird to have his image there. I suppose it's because he was responsible for the majority of the wins, for the team that has won the most.
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A question I continue to have is how different various defenses really are as to scheme. I appreciate the comment that an end zone view might well show larger differences.
I sort of wish for a more analytical sports show that would illustrate all this for folks like me.
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outta pull up a chair next to Bo Pelini
he's not too busy and enjoys talking defense as many do
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Legend has it Bear Bryant and Bum Phillips met by chance at a dive bar in the Florida panhandle and commiserated over how hard it was to position defensive players correctly. Over a handle of Jim Beam they developed the technique positioning that has been employed ever since. Simply put a player directly across from the center was the 0 tech. A player between the center and guard was a 1 tech, a player directly across the guard was the 2 tech and so on.
Warren Sapp was one of the best 3 techs (between guard and tackle) ever and became an average at best guy after he signed with the Raiders and they employed him as a 0 tech. Don't know of that helps anyone but when you see the Dawgs entire dline shift, it changes their tech angles and requires the oline to reposition if they haven't practiced for it
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Oklahoma State doesn’t have one. Their top seasons are last year’s 12-2 and then three 10-3s.
I was thinking of 2011 but that does not count here.
UW has had more success than oSu.
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This has the tech system laid out much better than I could have.
https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-defensive-techniques/
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many times if the D-front is two-gapping, they're not responsible for the tackle, they are controlling blockers to free the LBs to make the tackle
another component to defense is trying to "spill" the play to the outside, where speed and quickness can be used to push the ball carrier to the sideline or obviously setting the edge/corner and forcing the ball back inside
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I'm surprised more DLines don't shift before the snap. UGA got a fair number of procedure penalties, and I'd bet that screws up blocking assignments.
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yup, the issue is if the shift is too soon or too late
timing is everything
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Anybody else spot a team ranked lower than say 20 who could end up NY6 or playoff?
I got UCLA. (That means they may well burn down of course.)
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I'm surprised more DLines don't shift before the snap. UGA got a fair number of procedure penalties, and I'd bet that screws up blocking assignments.
Teams have to be well coached on that front. Otherwise you’ll bust a gap and possibly allow a big run.
I know Dave Aranda’s defenses excel on that front, and of course, smart is a very good defensive coach.
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Recently. With the proliferation of hybrid backer/end types in modern defenses, it made more sense than naming the big DEs who could be an edge or have an edge next to them.
Plus someone at some level wanted to separate true interior guys into their own class.
Yeah, it's due to the 3-4, which requires beefier 280-300 lb DEs. That edge guy is the lankier 240-260 lb guy who is trying to get around the OT - Cincydawg, the edge is the guy who makes the 3-4 look like a 4-3. Each HC may have a different name for him - I remember Muschamp called it BUCK.
For decades, Nebraska called their tweener LB/S the Monster. Many just called him a Rover in a 4-4 look. Michigan called theirs WOLF. Florida called it Gatorback. And that's why OL and DB are often used, as players play multiple positions. Now, with all the passing and 4-2-5 looks, there's a Nickel back covering slot receivers playing more interior, but is still like a CB.
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Anybody else spot a team ranked lower than say 20 who could end up NY6 or playoff?
I got UCLA. (That means they may well burn down of course.)
I don't know which rankings you're looking at, but teams like Miami, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida or South Carolina are some options if some things break their way.
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Penn St is getting little love with a returning QB and a talented roster
most, including their coach point to their brutal schedule
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Let's have a look at my surprise pick, Maryland. There will of course be some W's that you guys will disagree with.
Buffalo: W
Charlotte: W
SMU: W, should be a great game
@Mich: L
MSU: W, perhaps a surprise to some
Purdue: W, this is a tossup type game, but it's at home
@Indiana: W
Northwestern: W
@Wisconsin: L
@Penn State: L, but some definite upset potential here
Ohio State: L
Rutgers: W
That gives them an 8-4 record.
Well, I would take that, obviously.
One thing I am rather confident about is that teams will have to score a lot of points to beat Maryland this year. Another thing I'm an equally confident about is that many will do so...
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Cale Gundy won't be talking/coaching football it appears in '22. Resigned. Seems like he read aloud a note on a player's IPad that used the forbidden word.
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Maryland is an interesting pick for a team that could improve a lot. On the other hand, I've thought that for about the last six preseasons.
Has to happen someday ...
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Cale Gundy won't be talking/coaching football it appears in '22. Resigned. Seems like he read aloud a note on a player's IPad that used the forbidden word.
PoA in action.
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2022 BTN bus tour:
8/4 Nebraska
8/5 Northwester
8/6 Illinois
8/8 Rutgers
8/9 Maryland
8/10 Penn State
8/11 Ohio State
8/12 Indiana
8/13 Wisconsin
8/15 Minnesota
8/16 Iowa
8/17 Michigan
8/18 Michigan State
8/19 Purdue
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Stat watch
Turnovers: Since 2015, Nebraska is minus-32 in turnover margin, 12th in the Big Ten. Purdue and Maryland at minus-33 are last while Iowa (plus-63) and Wisconsin (plus-27) rank first and third, respectively.
Nebraska last finished a season with a positive turnover margin in 2016 — its last winning season.
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Regression to the mean is a thing, but only a tendency after the fact ...
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Cale Gundy won't be talking/coaching football it appears in '22. Resigned. Seems like he read aloud a note on a player's IPad that used the forbidden word.
I assume he gets paid out with that contract. So he’ll have that going for him.
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Anybody else spot a team ranked lower than say 20 who could end up NY6 or playoff?
I got UCLA. (That means they may well burn down of course.)
Unranked BYU has 19 returning starters and basically a three game schedule with Notre Dame, Baylor and Oregon. They don't play the Utes this year, and their next toughest game might be Boise or maybe Stanford.
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https://footballadvantage.com/zero-blitz/ (https://footballadvantage.com/zero-blitz/)
A Zero Blitz is a type of blitz that defensive coaches can call to disrupt an offense.
It's considered the riskiest of all the blitz packages, because there is no extra coverage on top of the defense.
In other words, every defender who isn't matched up with an individual on the offensive team will blitz.
Their only job is to get in the backfield as quickly as possible and get to the ball carrier -- whether that be a quarterback or a running back.
During a Zero Blitz call, each defensive lineman matches up with an offensive lineman whom he must gobble up.
Each cornerback matches up with a wide receiver. If there is one running back in the backfield, he will most likely be the responsibility of the Mike linebacker.
If there is one tight end on the field, the Sam linebacker will be responsible for covering him.
If there are two tight ends, then both the Sam and Will linebackers will cover the tight ends.
Meanwhile, every player without a specific assignment will be blitzing.