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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on December 31, 2021, 07:52:45 PM
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Brock Bowers is really good. Somebody should've told the Michigan coaches that maybe....
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Apparently I landed on the non-announcer version of the game. Which means no Herbstreit, which is nice.
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Georgia stealing Michigan's trick play book for this game.
14-0, fast. Not good.
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Seems good to me, but early yet.
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Well this isn't good at all
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Well this isn't good at all
I disagree
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Hutchinson jumping offsides, Michigan getting burned by trick plays instead of burning other teams with trick plays...what am I watching? This is cray cray.
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Hutchinson is an animal bro
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Oh is he playing now?
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Good start, see if they can finish.
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Ah, hey, a gameplan against Michigan where everything is short, quick, and basically erases their pass rush? Why didn't we think of that?
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yay! we got 3 points!
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Hutchinson- make a play buddy.
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why would you put a LB on a RB on a go route? Is this Don Brown? rotate Dax Hill out wide.
edit: also...why put Hutchinson to rush inside at DT? What was that?
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BTW the skycam doesn't show field goals, it just shows the sideline during the field goals
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why would you put a LB on a RB on a go route? Is this Don Brown? rotate Dax Hill out wide.
edit: also...why put Hutchinson to rush inside at DT? What was that?
Yeah thought that was weird when they finally got them in a passing down
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Michigan absolutely needs a touchdown here or it's game over. They get the ball back at half, so if they get 7 here, they'll still have some life.
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why does the broadcast show downtown Miami when the stadium is nowhere near downtown Miami? Lol.
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Welp
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Whenever I watch Georgia I'm always impressed by their ability to play offense mostly in a phone booth and yet still look pretty good
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Holding not called
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Welp, that's all she wrote folks.
If you would've told me Stetson Bennett was going to dice Michigan's secondary up- probably would've laughed at you. But here he is...dicing 'em up.
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Cincinnati was better at the half.
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do you start JJ McCarthy from now on? You're down 24. What more do you have to lose?
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What was the DB doing there?
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how in the hell was that intercepted? jesus h christ this is like a car crash. everything that can go wrong, is going wrong.
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he’s not a bad qb. he’s not an AA but he’s good enough to win games and maybe a title.
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that should've been a PI. Wilson was mugged and shoved out of bounds.
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do you start JJ McCarthy from now on? You're down 24. What more do you have to lose?
You have to, but will it matter behind this OL? They are getting absolutely destroyed in the trenches
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Welp
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And a pick.
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You have to, but will it matter behind this OL? They are getting absolutely destroyed in the trenches
they aren't picking up blitzes...like at all. Georgia sent 7 guys on McNamara's last sack and Michigan OL nor McNamara even recognized it.
Georgia is blitzing quite a bit, and Michigan has no counters for their blitzes. Where the F is the coaching?
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And a pick.
should've been a PI/defensive hold.
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Fire Harbaugh
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Fire Harbaugh
right now I'm more shocked at the defensive coaches. fire them.
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This is closer than I expected
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Not sure why Kirby Smarty is giving his QB the business
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Bench Bennett
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To be honest, the winning didn't feel right. I'm more familiar with this.
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Stetson Bennett - 16/22 for 234 pass yards, 2 TD's and 0 INT's. Georgia also got a TD pass off a trick play. They have 3 passing TD's and 0 INT's. In the first half. Averaging 11 YARDS per pass attempt right now.
Michigan has not been able to get any pass rush because of the way Georgia has been getting things out quickly. Georgia's RB's only have 12 carries for 51 yards with a long of 21. Not exactly killing it on the ground.
I would not have believed you if you told me Georgia would've been up 24 pts at the half and their RB's only had about 50 yards rushing and they were up because of their passing game. I would've thought their RB's went off, or they had defensive/special teams TD's.
This is nuts. Think you almost have to start JJ and go hurry up if you want any chance to even make it a game in the 2nd half.
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To be honest, the winning didn't feel right. I'm more familiar with this.
are we playing Ohio State right now? Who is this QB dicing up this secondary?
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Bench Bennett
Hey JT Daniels is SOOOOO good because he was a FIVE STARZZZZ.
Jawjaw would be up by 50 right now if JT was the QB imo.
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To be honest, the winning didn't feel right. I'm more familiar with this.
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are we playing Ohio State right now? Who is this QB dicing up this secondary?
Dude's having the game of his life, just gotta tip your cap.
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the video is even better....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfoRESVir0
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https://twitter.com/ugabarstool/status/1477101822179528706?s=20
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2nd half about to start! At this rate, Michigan will lose the game 48-6.
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Hey Haskins sighting!
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they should let JJ play a little bit more.
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Hey Haskins sighting!
Michigan RB's only had like 7 carries first half. That was surprising...
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what in the hell was that throw in the red zone area?
officially time to bench McNamara.
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I hate you. LOL.
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Michigan looks shook. Like they are not ready for this moment. So many mistakes and just brain farts. What the heck is going on here?
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Even the head official is bigger than UM's players and why is Georgia so big and fast and mean? Why did we stop to sending the Big 10 champion to the Rose Bowl to face the PAC 10?
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I thought maybe just maybe,try following the Browns/Indians
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Even the head official is bigger than UM's players and why is Georgia so big and fast and mean? Why did we stop to sending the Big 10 champion to the Rose Bowl to face the PAC 10?
please stop with this...
Michigan has been killing itself with some real brain farts. All credit due to Georgia, but Michigan has had some real head scratcher moments this game. McNamara throwing a pick off his back foot in the red zone, Vincent Gray just stop running in man coverage and gives up a long td. Michigan falling for a trick play and giving up a TD.
Georgia was ready for this moment and the bright lights. Michigan wasn't.
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I thought maybe just maybe,try following the Browns/Indians
I gave up on the Lions....best decision I've ever made in my life.
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Michigan finally picks up a blitz, McNamara has Corum open, and throws it behind him.
PUT IN JJ.
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Eh they beat OSU handily and won the conference. Anything else would have been a bonus, but even without the mistakes tonight UM isn't winning this one. They're losing in all phases. It was a fun season.
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Corum fumbles after he gets a 1st down. LMAO. This shit is hilarious. Corum hasn't fumbled all year by the way.
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Michigan D out of gas about now, and Michigan O can't do jackshit. Time to go to sleep.
If I keep watching this game I'm just gonna break something. What a pathetic showing.
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Maybe UGA is decent
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Maybe UGA is decent
who said they weren't? Georgia is a really good team. And they showed up to play some damn football.
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JESUS CHRIST BABY that throw by McCarthy. INSANE.
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Mike Sainistril being about 5'9 was killer right there. A 6'+ WR makes that catch.
Note to Jim Harbaugh: recruit taller WR's.
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At least I lucked into the alternative broadcast of the game
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Guess there's no point in watching the MNC.
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That's how the Khaki crumbles
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who said they weren't? Georgia is a really good team. And they showed up to play some damn football.
You were nonstop about how great UM was.
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I should note I bought the Koolaid and pickled Michigan
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You were nonstop about how great UM was.
uh, no I wasn't. I wasn't on all fours blowing Georgia and was questioning how good they really were and the schedule.
Never said anything other than they were a very good team and one of the best 4.
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On a Michigan Board one guy said "maybe Ohio State really was sick"
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On a Michigan Board one guy said "maybe Ohio State really was sick"
I would've 100% expected Ohio State QB to shred Michigan's secondary. Not Georgia's 5'10" walk-on. Shit is wild.
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JJ is a magician. How the F wasn't this kid starting?
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On a Michigan Board one guy said "maybe Ohio State really was sick"
Felt like an excuse, maybe not
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Fire Harbaugh
UM is great
Um
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JJ McCarthy is SO much more talented than Cade McNamara it's a f**king joke.
Kid should've been given the reigns midway through the season.
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Michigan had no business being here. UC held up far better. Michigan is a poser.
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UGA had more trouble with Tennessee
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UGA had more trouble with Tennessee
You guys shoulda played Purdue then
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Michigan had no business being here. UC held up far better. Michigan is a poser.
Afraid so. Or could’ve just been a really bad day at the office.
Definitely thought Michigan would struggle to put up points and that it’d be a slugfest. Problem was- Michigan got down by so much so fast they couldn’t stick to their identity. Had to throw to catch up. That’s not Michigan’s game. At all.
Hats off to Georgia and Stetson who just played the game of his life. Never in a million years did I think he’d carve up Michigan like that. Impressive.
Bama gonna beat you guys though. Again.
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You’re a nice kid McNamara. But there ain’t no way in hell you’re beating JJ McCarthy out next year. He’s like a Ferrari and Cade is like a Toyota.
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Michigan was bad
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You guys shoulda played Purdue then
Purdue is more built to attack Georgia. We wouldn't even try to run into that D.
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Michigan had no business being here. UC held up far better. Michigan is a poser.
Weird flex, Cincy lost by 21, UM by 23. UM had at worst the third best resume in the nation. Cincy played nobody then just waited for everyone else to lose to a competitive opponent. I'll still never support a mid major in the playoffs with a cupcake schedule. It's not even a question of whether or not they are good enough when they made little effort with their OCC to compensate for the weak conference schedule.
No reason for you to take it personal. I'm against any team that goes out of their way to play a dogshit schedule and being rewarded for it. Cincy just happens to be the team to finally get away with it.
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Did Hutchinson play?
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Did Hutchinson play?
Kicked ass
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Did Hutchinson play?
He played the coin toss like a seasoned veteran, chose to defer like a boss.
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UM was a poser. South Carolina was tougher.
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UGA and BAMA are just THAT much better than all comers.
The loss at aTm was weird... a lack of focus, which they had been flirting with all season. That mess can be coached out of them with a quickness and Satan is the coach to do it. Before you point to the Auburn OT game, know that rivalry is always closer than the teams often are.
Bama let Cincy hang around too long. THAT is how teams beat bama. They sneak up behind them when bama thinks they've beat them into submission. I wasn't sold cincy was out of it until late in third. I thought cincy was better, but they're mere mortals.
UGA isn't as seasoned as BAMA and are relative newcomers to the big show, and they bought into their own hype. That, and bama was supremely prepared spotting soft spots in seam coverage... and with a player or two capable of exploiting it. When UGA dropped to man zone they left the QB and soon to be Heisman winner with only one obstacle to tuck and run... little effer... turns out he can run like Forrest Gump.
I dont think UGA has the answer to the seams. I'm thinking they've relied on the mass of the dline to hurry the QB and force bad throws. Bama has the meat to stop that, and, they have fresh players to rotate who are hardly distinguishable from others who play the position. We talk of match-ups, and as good as UGA is (and they're great), they are missing that element.... or, maybe they've got a solution. Who knows. It's why we watch.
UM was a damn good team. They just ran straight into a generational great D tonight without the spare elements bama has. UM would finish 3rd or better this season in all of the nation. They'd also finish 3rd in the SEC. Easily.
Insofar as SECs domination over the last generation, that's about to (already has actually) end. That's what happens in these cycles- power consolidates and then shatters when all the weight is at the top.
There was absolutely no way to prepare for UGA- UM was spending too much time ensuring themselves they were good enough instead of analyzing how David beat Goliath. If that sounds like a nasty poke I'm sorry- it's just the fact. Hard Balls would have benefitted more by telling the team "this one is different... we can't go head to head... we're gonna have to finesse".
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I thought maybe just maybe,try following the Browns/Indians
Sadly they aren’t even the Indians so I’ll never see an Indians championship in my life nor will you.
Not sure if that’s more painful or watching that embarrassment. Outcoached, outplayed and apparently beating osu was enough because they came out with no heart.
fun season, but a loss like that leaves a sting. That wasn’t even a game.
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uh, no I wasn't. I wasn't on all fours blowing Georgia and was questioning how good they really were and the schedule.
Never said anything other than they were a very good team and one of the best 4.
You told us their secondary had no speed, they lacked good playmakers and the game should be close to a pick’em. Also that Stetson sucked.
Parts of that are true, but not to the degree you described.
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I don't know, 13 months ago UM hit rock bottom and ducked OSU with a "covid outbreak". Georgia is better and laid it all on the line tonight for a shot at redemption against Bama. UM on the other hand already accomplished more than they bargained for. They got blown out just like every other non-annual playoff contender.
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I love it when things happen and then narratives have to spring up to justify it...
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Purdue is more built to attack Georgia. We wouldn't even try to run into that D.
yeah, except Michigan didn't really try to do that either. Haskins, Corum, and Edwards combined for only 16 rushing attempts. For the entire game. 16 rushing attempts.
Michigan's defense brokedown like a '71 Pinto in the 1st QTR and they were down 17-0 almost immediately. They had to try to pass the ball more to catch up, and McNamara is just not capable of that. Not to mention Michigan's OL played like dogshit in pass pro and couldn't pick-up blitzes or stunts to save it's life- and McNamara is basically immobile.
Just a series of disasters for them. Way more concerned about a defense that did not show up at all.
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I love it when things happen and then narratives have to spring up to justify it...
To be fair, just as missing out on your goals the game before tends to alter your focus, so too can accomplishing your big goal the game before.
Beating OSU was UM's Super Bowl, was it not? The crowd, the players, even JH....their reaction to that win.
Iowa just wasn't that good.
It's hard to "get it up" one more time once you've already climbed the biggest mountain in your purview. It's not from lack of wanting it or lack of effort, it's just difficult.
That's why I was stunned when the Red Sox won the WS after slaying the Yankee beast.
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You told us their secondary had no speed, they lacked good playmakers and the game should be close to a pick’em. Also that Stetson sucked.
Parts of that are true, but not to the degree you described.
when did I say their secondary had no speed? I said I thought their secondary is not that good. And I still think that after watching this game.
I did question their playmakers outside of the TE's. And I still kind of sort of do. One of their long passing TD's they had, CB Vincent Gray was step for step with the WR and then inexplicably literally just stopped running and let the WR get behind him and it was all she wrote. One of their long pass TD's was a RB on a LB in man coverage and the RB got behind the LB on a wheel route. Another of their TD's was set-up off a similar play where the RB got matched up in man on a LB outside on a go-route. That's bad coaching- shouldn't be having your LB's in man vs RB. That is just asking to get burned. Just some poor execution/coaching that Michigan hadn't shown most of the year.
Never said Stetson sucked either. Said he was a huge question mark. Which he was. And the kid just played the game of his life- so kudos to him.
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Did Hutchinson play?
Georgia neutralized the Michigan pass rush by getting the ball out quickly. They also kept getting into favorable down and distances. Michigan had very few opportunities to actually pin their ears back and go rush the passer. They had a few pass rush moments where they flashed, but that's it.
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this is the throw I went off about on here...this throw by McCarthy gave me goosebumps. That's an NFL throw right there, fitting that ball into that window....just wow.
https://twitter.com/dnpcdshow/status/1477118245232685060?s=20
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Georgia neutralized the Michigan pass rush by getting the ball out quickly. They also kept getting into favorable down and distances. Michigan had very few opportunities to actually pin their ears back and go rush the passer. They had a few pass rush moments where they flashed, but that's it.
No shit, sherlock.
What grade are you in?
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Turnovers 3-0
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It was a fun event. Great scene and tailgating with both fan bases mixed together and enjoying each other.
It seemed like 60/40 UM as far as attendance.
The game did surprise me. I truly thought, after watching Michigan push my buckeyes around, that they could hang with Georgia on the interior lines. It was pretty obvious right from the get-go that Georgia overwhelmed them on both lines of scrimmage.
Hutchinson and Ojabo were non factors. And it wasn’t always because Georgia got the ball out quick. Georgia did chip and help out on Hutchinson a few times that I watched, but on some of those long passes they handled him one on one with relative ease and in fact I saw him get pancakes at least two times that I can recall.
JJ McCarthy does have a bright future. He threw some nice balls but he also missed a few pretty open receivers that would’ve kept Michigan drives alive. That will come with experience. His escapability is something special though.
Bennett from Georgia is a way better athlete than he is given credit for.
Georgia fans were extremely classy both during the tailgating and throughout the game.
It seems like I say this every year but it seems pretty obvious that the two best teams will play for the championship.
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On a Michigan Board one guy said "maybe Ohio State really was sick"
Felt like an excuse, maybe not
It did/does feel like an excuse but you don't need a team to be sick to explain an unexpected result. Teams DO have good and bad games.
I think, to Michigan's credit, that they simply played a REALLY good game on November 27th.
They hadn't beaten their rival in a decade and only once in 20 years and they played an impressive game.
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It was a fun event. Great scene and tailgating with both fan bases mixed together and enjoying each other.
It seemed like 60/40 UM as far as attendance.
The game did surprise me. I truly thought, after watching Michigan push my buckeyes around, that they could hang with Georgia on the interior lines. It was pretty obvious right from the get-go that Georgia overwhelmed them on both lines of scrimmage.
Hutchinson and Ojabo were non factors. And it wasn’t always because Georgia got the ball out quick. Georgia did chip and help out on Hutchinson a few times that I watched, but on some of those long passes they handled him one on one with relative ease and in fact I saw him get pancakes at least two times that I can recall.
JJ McCarthy does have a bright future. He threw some nice balls but he also missed a few pretty open receivers that would’ve kept Michigan drives alive. That will come with experience. His escapability is something special though.
Bennett from Georgia is a way better athlete than he is given credit for.
Georgia fans were extremely classy both during the tailgating and throughout the game.
It seems like I say this every year but it seems pretty obvious that the two best teams will play for the championship.
Where?
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Where?
that is the $64,000 question.
Harbaugh CANNOT f***k around and lose JJ McCarthy to the transfer portal. He is so much more talented than Cade McNamara and just superior in every single way except for....experience. Cade's a 3rd year guy, JJ was just a 18 year old true frosh young pup in the game. I get why they didn't want to start him right way. But....he's not going to sit on the bench another year.
They basically need to tell JJ, yeah it's your job in 2022, or they'll probably lose him to the portal.
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this is one of the best plays I've ever seen a college LB make. Dean follows the motion, immediately diagnoses the play and recognized where the ball is going, takes an INCREDIBLE angle to cut off the ball-carrier and hauls his ass to the spot at almost exactly the same time the ball carrier gets to where he's going.
That is some high level high football IQ shit right there and the angle he takes is just....that whole play was wow.
https://twitter.com/syedschemes/status/1477087777439330308?s=20
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No shit, sherlock.
What grade are you in?
Hopefully not in any of your classes,if you want to call that class
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To be fair, just as missing out on your goals the game before tends to alter your focus, so too can accomplishing your big goal the game before.
Beating OSU was UM's Super Bowl, was it not? The crowd, the players, even JH....their reaction to that win.
Iowa just wasn't that good.
It's hard to "get it up" one more time once you've already climbed the biggest mountain in your purview. It's not from lack of wanting it or lack of effort, it's just difficult.
That's why I was stunned when the Red Sox won the WS after slaying the Yankee beast.
Exactly. Wait for result, then assign narrative.
If the turnover margin had been 3-0 the other way, and Michigan had an early lead and was able to play according to their preferred gameplan, and won, what would the narrative be?
Probably that Georgia was a paper tiger that hadn't played anyone and got beat badly the first time they faced anyone of note (Bama) and it happened again when facing another real opponent (Michigan).
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Exactly. Wait for result, then assign narrative.
Well at least wait for a conrete,one sided narrative unlike the other game yesterday
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Exactly. Wait for result, then assign narrative.
Wait, you're criticizing watching a game that guarantees a result and then talking about it? That's an entire industry, boss.
Yes, with a different outcome, the narrative/discussion about it would be different. No shit. I guess no talking heads should have jobs. I guess this board shouldn't exist.
After a game is played, SHHHH! Don't discuss it.
Georgia's win was an unexpected blowout. The "narrative" as you deride it tries to explain the unexpected outcome. What's wrong with that?
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styles make fights. Georgia was dialed in and out for blood and boy did they start fast. Bennett hit some big deep balls early and they also scored a TD off a trick play RB pass early, and before Michigan knew it they were down 17-0. That's not a game that Michigan is going to comeback from and win as constructed- they are just not built for that with McNamara.
I think next year they should be a much better passing team if JJ is given the reigns and they'll also get their best WR Ronnie Bell back from injury, and Roman Wilson and Andrel Anthony are two very talented young receivers that should continue to develop.
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Wait, you're criticizing watching a game that guarantees a result and then talking about it? That's an entire industry, boss.
Yes, with a different outcome, the narrative/discussion about it would be different. No shit. I guess no talking heads should have jobs. I guess this board shouldn't exist.
After a game is played, SHHHH! Don't discuss it.
Georgia's win was an unexpected blowout. The "narrative" as you deride it tries to explain the unexpected outcome. What's wrong with that?
Again, as usual, you're missing the point.
Michigan lost. You can analyze what happened on the football field, i.e. they went down early and aren't built for a pass-first comeback offense, and Georgia's offensive scheme was designed to neutralize their biggest advantage of D, the pass rush. It ended up not being close. Of course, teams who are -3 in the turnover margin USUALLY have trouble keeping it close.
Instead, you try to psychoanalyze a bunch of 20 year olds and treat it as a question of motivation, or emotional readiness for the game. How do you know? Do you REALLY think those players weren't mentally dialed in for the game? This isn't the case of a team that underachieved their goals and was in a "lesser" bowl. This was the damn college football playoff. You think Michigan lost because they weren't mentally present?
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Again, as usual, you're missing the point.
Michigan lost. You can analyze what happened on the football field, i.e. they went down early and aren't built for a pass-first comeback offense, and Georgia's offensive scheme was designed to neutralize their biggest advantage of D, the pass rush. It ended up not being close. Of course, teams who are -3 in the turnover margin USUALLY have trouble keeping it close.
Instead, you try to psychoanalyze a bunch of 20 year olds and treat it as a question of motivation, or emotional readiness for the game. How do you know? Do you REALLY think those players weren't mentally dialed in for the game? This isn't the case of a team that underachieved their goals and was in a "lesser" bowl. This was the damn college football playoff. You think Michigan lost because they weren't mentally present?
I think Michigan wasn't as hungry as Georgia. That was clear to me from the get go. Michigan had been punching teams in the face all year. They ran into a team that just punched them in the face from the word go and didn't stop, and Michigan players had no idea how to respond. I think Cade was pressing a lot and he was pretty awful. The OL played like crap in pass pro, they looked like they'd never seen a blitz or stunt before in their lives. I think after Michigan was down 17-0 in a blink, frustration and panic set in and they just had no answers. They are not the kind of team that can overcome deficits because their passing game with McNamara is pretty vanilla and mediocre. They get some deep shots off play-action when they run the ball effectively, but when you're down 17-0 and only attempt 16 rushes all game- play-action isn't there. When McNamara absolutely has to throw- he can't. And Georgia knew that. They got up 17-0 and then just pinned their ears back on the rush/blitz.
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I mean it looked pretty obvious to me last night that UM was still doing victory laps from last month while Georgia was on a mission. Add insult to injury that Georgia is bigger, stronger, faster, more handsome, has better looking girlfriends and their mothers love them more we end up with last night's result. It doesn't take a genius to see that UM ran into a buzz saw. The truth is that nobody was beating Georgia last night.
It was a great season none the less, looking forward to doing it again in 15-20 years.
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I think Michigan wasn't as hungry as Georgia. That was clear to me from the get go. Michigan had been punching teams in the face all year. They ran into a team that just punched them in the face from the word go and didn't stop, and Michigan players had no idea how to respond. I think Cade was pressing a lot and he was pretty awful. The OL played like crap in pass pro, they looked like they'd never seen a blitz or stunt before in their lives. I think after Michigan was down 17-0 in a blink, frustration and panic set in and they just had no answers. They are not the kind of team that can overcome deficits because their passing game with McNamara is pretty vanilla and mediocre. They get some deep shots off play-action when they run the ball effectively, but when you're down 17-0 and only attempt 16 rushes all game- play-action isn't there. When McNamara absolutely has to throw- he can't. And Georgia knew that. They got up 17-0 and then just pinned their ears back on the rush/blitz.
I'm with you on everything except the bolded part.
I don't think it had anything to do with "hunger". Aidan Hutchinson didn't play in that game due to a lack of hunger.
Everything else is true. Michigan got punched in the mouth, went down 17 points in the blink of an eye, and doesn't have an answer for that. The analysis pregame was all about this being power vs power, and whether Michigan was going to be able to assert their will on the ground. They weren't, and they don't have the sort of pass offense an Alabama or Ohio State has, which was shown to be the way to attack Georgia. Then -3 in TO margin, and you've got the recipe for a blowout.
But a lack of "hunger" is an unnecessary explanation and narrative building.
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when did I say their secondary had no speed? I said I thought their secondary is not that good. And I still think that after watching this game.
I did question their playmakers outside of the TE's. And I still kind of sort of do. One of their long passing TD's they had, CB Vincent Gray was step for step with the WR and then inexplicably literally just stopped running and let the WR get behind him and it was all she wrote. One of their long pass TD's was a RB on a LB in man coverage and the RB got behind the LB on a wheel route. Another of their TD's was set-up off a similar play where the RB got matched up in man on a LB outside on a go-route. That's bad coaching- shouldn't be having your LB's in man vs RB. That is just asking to get burned. Just some poor execution/coaching that Michigan hadn't shown most of the year.
Never said Stetson sucked either. Said he was a huge question mark. Which he was. And the kid just played the game of his life- so kudos to him.
"Georgia D = shades of a Don Brown D. PAPER TIGERS. Very similar style defense and very similar blitz heavy scheme with a god awful secondary to back it up. Works wonders against teams not equipped to handle it- can over-power them and get crazy stats on the stat sheets- but it's all a sieve."
"we are saying that -7.5 line is ridiculous, Georgia starts a HS QB and their D was, well...overrated."
Coming out of this, if I was prone to saying bombastic things, I'd be roasting the Michigan defense. HS QB, not many play makers outside a tight end, gave up 7.7 yards per play. Woof. And an offense with an edge at QB, receiver, OL and WR, as someone told us, got smothered (4 YPP, three big plays before half) by a sieve. Quite a game.
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I think Michigan wasn't as hungry prepared as Georgia.
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Instead, you try to psychoanalyze a bunch of 20 year olds and treat it as a question of motivation, or emotional readiness for the game. How do you know? Do you REALLY think those players weren't mentally dialed in for the game? This isn't the case of a team that underachieved their goals and was in a "lesser" bowl. This was the damn college football playoff. You think Michigan lost because they weren't mentally present?
First of all, yes, I'm suggesting that my idea MAY be true. I'm guessing. I'm saying it's a possibility. How dare I!!!
Secondly, I wouldn't word it as "Michigan lost because they weren't mentally present." I'm not sure how you got that from my suggestion.
A more precise description would be Michigan lost because it wasn't as good as Georgia, but Michigan MAY HAVE BEEN blown out because they were satisfied with their season. They already achieved all of the realistic goals of a team that wasn't ranked in the preseason.
Despite what some here would suggest, teams get "up" for certain games. I'll never understand how that idea is so challenged on this board. But anyway....
Of course UM got up for OSU. They're always up for that game. And HOLY SHIT, they won it!
Okay, great, UM won the division, but the job isn't done. When they made their season goals, I'll bet you a dollar their ultimate goal was to win the B1G, for 2 reasons.
1 - they weren't ranked in the preseason, so playoff/NC might seem silly back at the end of July
2 - winning the B1G is the best goal they can have that's directly under their control
It's REALLY hard to get a team "up" for 3 games in a row.
Again, I'm not saying UM lost because of this, but perhaps they got blown out because of it. It's a silly, unfalsifiable claim. But what else are online forums for??
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Dang, it’s just so simple. Georgia was just much better coached and they were more talented. You can spin being down by 17 early all you want but the truth is Michigan simply could not move the ball no matter the down/distance, quarter, or field position and when they did it usually got stopped by a TO.
I get it, sometimes the better team doesn’t win ( see A&M/Alabama 2021) but yesterday was not the case. Just be happy your one loss team got into the CFP and had the opportunity, there’s been plenty of one loss teams that never got the chance through the years.
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I'm with you on everything except the bolded part.
Nubbz corrected me. Hunger was the wrong word. Prepared is a better word. Michigan was not prepared for that- they got punched in the face early and were down 17-0 in a blink. They ain't build to comeback from that with McNamara at QB or with that offensive system.
Watching the Ohio State game now- they got down by a lot early- but with that QB those WR's and that system with a play-caller like Day- even with all those guys sitting- they can scream right back into games. That's the only way you're winning anything in todays game. Ohio State just didn't have the defense this year to match that offense. Doubt that will be the same two years in a row. Very jealous of how they play offense. I think if Michigan wants any shot of actually winning a playoff game- they have to move to McCarthy and completely re-tool the offensive philosophy and become a pass first team.
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You could argue it was both. Neither hungry nor prepared. UM1963 said it best when he said they were still doing victory laps and Georgia was on a mission. Michigan winning anything else was just gravy and Georgia was clearly pissed about their loss to Bama and out to prove how good they are. Honestly, it was always a bad matchup for Michigan, but showing up less hungry made it a buzz saw. Personally, I don’t know how anyone could watch the game vs the buckeyes and the game be Georgia and not see the difference in energy among the same 20 years olds in both games.
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Well you have a point both Georgia/tOSU played much better after getting throttled
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I blame the space cadet, HArbaugh
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I think folks put too much emphasis on emotions and not enough on turnovers and some fortunate breaks. A pass a foot or an inch the other way can change a game. And yes, there are times when a team is not focused and loses or plays poorly, I think that is rare in major bowl games. I've seen it most often after a Big Win.
And yes, it can play into game prep at times, the emotional/mental aspect. Evenly matched teams won't overcome 3-0 TO deficit very often.
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The game was over before Michigan's first turnover. I would argue that it was over when Michigan decided to go for it on forth down on their first possession of the game losing 7-0. It was confirmed that it was over when they didn't execute the forth down and Georgia promptly scored to make it 14-0.
There is no harm in acknowledging that Georgia was more determined and motivated. Acknowledging that doesn't take away from their stellar performance. It may have been the best single game performance by any team this year. No one, including Bama, would have beaten Georgia that night.
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why Georgia is favored so far in the rematch
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Betters bet evenly and the House wind
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I think of a 4th down fail as eq to a TO
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why Georgia is favored so far in the rematch
Because Vegas is smart enough not to value 1 data point over 12.
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Vegas would adjust the line if betting strayed from even. The betters set the line after the initial figure. I would favor Bama until the Dawgs actually win a few.
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Well the Tide got a win in their rematch with LSU,so hopefully the Dawgs return the favor
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Because Vegas is smart enough not to value 1 data point over 12.
Exactly! Georgia is a better team as evidenced by the two teams' entire schedules. In the first game Bama had a better gameplan and played a better game and won. Can Saban do that again?
In their games against common opponents:
Florida:
- Bama won by 2 on the road
- UGA won by 27 at a neutral site
Auburn:
- Bama won in OT on the road
- UGA won by 24 on the road
Arkansas:
- Bama won by 7 at home
- UGA won by 37 at home
Tennessee:
- Bama won by 28 at home
- UGA won by 24 on the road
The only one that is close is the Tennessee games where Bama did slightly better but that is within the margin of HFA. In the other three the Dawgs did vastly better.
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Vegas would adjust the line if betting strayed from even. The betters set the line after the initial figure. I would favor Bama until the Dawgs actually win a few.
perhaps I heard wrong, but even with the line moving, there was much more money on Bama than Cincy
Perhaps Vegas lost a few bucks, perhaps not
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It did/does feel like an excuse but you don't need a team to be sick to explain an unexpected result. Teams DO have good and bad games.
I think, to Michigan's credit, that they simply played a REALLY good game on November 27th.
They hadn't beaten their rival in a decade and only once in 20 years and they played an impressive game.
This. TTUN played a hell of a game, Congrats to them on beating their rival and winning the B1G.
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IF GA. can put the CCG behind them and just proceed as last Saturday or before Tide and harrass Bryce Young I like their chances
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Wait, you're criticizing watching a game that guarantees a result and then talking about it? That's an entire industry, boss.
Yes, with a different outcome, the narrative/discussion about it would be different. No shit. I guess no talking heads should have jobs. I guess this board shouldn't exist.
After a game is played, SHHHH! Don't discuss it.
Georgia's win was an unexpected blowout. The "narrative" as you deride it tries to explain the unexpected outcome. What's wrong with that?
You. You are the only thing wrong with this thread (board.)
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why Georgia is favored so far in the rematch
It’s just computer rankings. The answer to almost any question about lines is computer rankings
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Well the Tide got a win in their rematch with LSU,so hopefully the Dawgs return the favor
Still too soon.
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It’s just computer rankings. The answer to almost any question about lines is computer rankings
That's a little funny... Vegas, the ones with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line in any year of sports betting, mostly follows computer rankings to ensure 50/50 betting splits. And as my former coworker (part-time bookie) told me, when you see a line moving a lot due to lopsided bets, it's best to bet the other way, because usually it's the BETTORS that got it wrong, not Vegas.
But the fans and TPTB hated computer rankings SO much in the BCS era that they had to eliminate them entirely to remain a beauty pageant.
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But the fans and TPTB hated computer rankings SO much in the BCS era that they had to eliminate them entirely to remain a beauty pageant.
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Ugh, don't get me started.
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It’s just computer rankings. The answer to almost any question about lines is computer rankings
I have never seen this asserted. I thought the initial line would be set by "pros from Dover". Then it would move depending on the betting. Vegas has no reason to take a stake in any game, they win every time if they balance the betting volume. It's a sure thing.
I'd imagine they could have an algorithm to help guide the initial line, but computer rankings get bizarre especially early in the season.
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seems impressive to me that the initial lines usually don't move much unless there's an injury or other reason for a player or players to not play
they seem to nail it 90% of the time
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Yeah, the initial lines are 90%+ on point, they know their betters apparently.
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I have never seen this asserted. I thought the initial line would be set by "pros from Dover". Then it would move depending on the betting. Vegas has no reason to take a stake in any game, they win every time if they balance the betting volume. It's a sure thing.
I'd imagine they could have an algorithm to help guide the initial line, but computer rankings get bizarre especially early in the season.
So, a writer at one point noted that CBB lines are almost all within a few points of the KenPom projection. I thought it wouldn't make sense to use him as a base in one sport, but not another.
And, in fact, most computer rankings are built to mimic and improve on Vegas power ratings, often for the sake of beating Vegas (and it often worked). So those oddsmakers just absorbed the methods being used to beat them. Let me put it this way, if I see a weird line, I check SP+ or FPI, and 90 percent of the time, I see why the line is weird.
The preseason stuff tends to use a blend of info that serve as good predictors. Things like recruiting rankings and recent success factor in there. And as you get more games, other data filters out.
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I had thought humans set the lines using a variety of metrics, including various computer rankings. I doubt they are set completely by some computer. They do a good job generally from what I've seen.