CFB51 College Football Fan Community
The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2021, 03:46:00 PM
-
I'm SO exited for this playoff game with a 14-point spread!!!!
-
So.....with a maligned OL and their most pedestrian RB in over a decade, Alabama just marches down the field without a pass.
What's on A&E ???
-
Hey, UC made a field goal. A bit unlucky - had one touchdown batted down at the line and dropped the other.
-
After watching the 1st quarter, Bama can name the score. Tide 41-13.
-
Bama having a hard time blocking UC in the pass game and no problems blocking them in the run game. I'm surprised Saban isn't choking out his OC whenever he calls a pass.
-
Idk I wouldn’t look too much into this result one way or the other in terms of G5 deserving a seat at the table.
Bama is Bama. They’ll whip Georgia if they play again, and they’ll do same to Michigan if they wind up playing them.
This whole SEC! SEC! SEC! stuff is funny. in reality it’s King Gump who rules the college football world and then you have his 13 subjects nut-riding his coattails.
-
Idk I wouldn’t look too much into this result one way or the other in terms of G5 deserving a seat at the table.
Bama is Bama. They’ll whip Georgia if they play again, and they’ll do same to Michigan if they wind up playing them.
This whole SEC! SEC! SEC! stuff is funny. in reality it’s King Gump who rules the college football world and then you have his 13 subjects nut-riding his coattails.
His 125 subjects riding!
-
This whole SEC! SEC! SEC! stuff is funny. in reality it’s King Gump who rules the college football world and then you have his 13 subjects nut-riding his coattails.
What SEC SEC SEC thing? It's as simple as Team A is obviously better than Team C.
And while it has been Alabama dominating the conference (and the nation, btw), at the same time, no conference has had the diversity at the top as the SEC has in the past 20 years. I've posted about this before, but it always seems to go in one eye and out the other.
If you want to go back 2 years, the SEC won both NCs and by 2 different schools. If you want to go back 10 years, the SEC has 3 different NC winners. If you want to go back 12 years, the SEC has 4 different NC winners. If you want to go back 25 years, the SEC has 5 different NC winners.
And what about the other conferences?
The past 10 years, the Big Ten has been Ohio State's bitch.
The past 10 years, the ACC has been Clemson's bitch.
The past 10 years, the Big 12 has been Oklahoma's bitch.
The fact is both things are true: a) Alabama has been dominant any way you slice it AND b) the SEC has had the most diversity at the top any way you slice it.
I know that's hard to wrap your head around, but that doesn't make it untrue. Can you please move on with some sort of insult that actually holds ANY water?????
-
mdot, the more you post, the more I'm convinced you're a teenager.
-
Saban must be loving this, it's back to his "we're better than you so we're gong to bully you with minimal risk" days circa 2011.
If the Tide runs for 400 yards with this line and this RB, G5 needs to shut up forever.
-
Throwback to my youth and Heisman winners looking blah in bowl games. The run game and his receivers have bailed him out
-
I'm old enough to remember when this Alabama offense was able to score more points against the greatest defense of all time than against a G5 school
-
Throwback to my youth and Heisman winners looking blah in bowl games. The run game and his receivers have bailed him out
Finally facing a real defense
-
UC doesn't look out of place to me.
-
Like Al Davis said, the quarterback must go down and he must go down down hard. Cinci dumped Young on his ass and he went 3 and out. Keep it up!
-
Ooh lucky for Bama there
-
UC doesn't look out of place to me.
They look a hell of a lot better than any team against Alabama in a semi since Ohio State 7 years ago
-
Who needs John Metchie. Just pull 5* dudes off the bench. Brooks absolutely abused that CB on that route
-
Late TD hut UC but they get good field position and the kickoff.
-
If the Tide runs for 400 yards with this line and this RB, G5 needs to shut up forever.
Yawn. This take is dumb.
-
What SEC SEC SEC thing? It's as simple as Team A is obviously better than Team C.
And while it has been Alabama dominating the conference (and the nation, btw), at the same time, no conference has had the diversity at the top as the SEC has in the past 20 years. I've posted about this before, but it always seems to go in one eye and out the other.
If you want to go back 2 years, the SEC won both NCs and by 2 different schools. If you want to go back 10 years, the SEC has 3 different NC winners. If you want to go back 12 years, the SEC has 4 different NC winners. If you want to go back 25 years, the SEC has 5 different NC winners.
And what about the other conferences?
The past 10 years, the Big Ten has been Ohio State's bitch.
The past 10 years, the ACC has been Clemson's bitch.
The past 10 years, the Big 12 has been Oklahoma's bitch.
The fact is both things are true: a) Alabama has been dominant any way you slice it AND b) the SEC has had the most diversity at the top any way you slice it.
I know that's hard to wrap your head around, but that doesn't make it untrue. Can you please move on with some sort of insult that actually holds ANY water?????
Yawn.
The SEC is Nick Saban's bitch. 2 of the 3 titles LSU has, 1 was his, and the 2nd was won by Les Miles using all of Nick Saban's players. The 3rd title LSU has- which they just won a couple of years ago- was a complete f***king fluke. Joe Burrow turning into JOE BURROW was a one in a billion event- especially when you consider the LSU head coach was a literal retard who might've well been that one coach who couldn't even speak english from that Adam Sandler Waterboy movie.
Florida won 2 with Urban Meyer. Hasn't done anything since. The one Auburn has deserves an asterisk. They paid Cam Newton's dad $250k to get him to go there- and really if Cam wasn't such a scumbag at Florida and didn't get kicked out- Auburn never wins anything and Meyer probably has a 3rd title at Florida.
So really, all I'm seeing is one guy dominating the entire SEC- and then another guy- Meyer- dominating it as well- and Auburn cheating their way into buying a title by buying one of the great college QB's in Cam- and then LSU absolutely fluking their way into another title with a literal retard for a head coach by taking a transfer cast-off who transformed into the greatest college QB that I've ever seen.
-
Yawn. This take is dumb.
that take? try most takes...
-
UC has 77 total yards. You must have had low expectations for them to have met them.
-
Cincinnati was always going to need brakes in this one. Got one with the missed field goal, but missed two big ones with the dropped touchdown pass and not recovering the muffed punt.
Ahh well, more of the same.
-
UC has 77 total yards. You must have had low expectations for them to have met them.
Your burning desire to watch Notre Dame football is admirable.
(I would find Baylor fun maybe, but we’re not in a significantly different situation)
-
Who needs John Metchie. Just pull 5* dudes off the bench. Brooks absolutely abused that CB on that route
it's not even that they pull 5* dudes off the bench. it's their hit-rate in developing these 5*'s. I've seen lotta 5* busts at lot of schools. Which is why I think the rankings are fun to look at, but not worth much.
Saban is the best coach who has ever done it and it's because he develops talent like crazy. If a kid goes to Bama, he's going to get developed. They have very very very few "busts".
-
Cincy's not in terrible shape, only down two scores despite Ridder really struggling in the first half. But they could use any sort of points coming out of the half.
-
Cincy's not in terrible shape, only down two scores despite Ridder really struggling in the first half. But they could use any sort of points coming out of the half.
It’s probably not gonna get any better, but that is what it is. Someone pointed out this is more competitive than three of the semi finals in the past to playoffs. That is just the nature of how this goes.
-
it's not even that they pull 5* dudes off the bench. it's their hit-rate in developing these 5*'s. I've seen lotta 5* busts at lot of schools. Which is why I think the rankings are fun to look at, but not worth much.
Saban is the best coach who has ever done it and it's because he develops talent like crazy. If a kid goes to Bama, he's going to get developed. They have very very very few "busts".
Is this quantifiable?
You can't just point to how many successful 5* they have, you'd have to quantify what percentage of 5* actually produce.
Then you have to consider the effect of surrounding your 5* recruits with a bunch of other stars, such that they're not the entire focus of the opposing team.
I.e. look at Karlaftis this year. Ho-hum statistical season because he was the only guy on that defense that the offense had to account for. Obviously not a "bust" of course, but his numbers were way worse than they'd be with a better supporting cast.
-
A score here and someone hits Young in the mouth and we have a 4 quarter football game.
-
But a Cinci 3 and out.
-
The time of day when many women of the world begin losing their minds trying to get the hubby's attention to GET Ready! Woo hoo, NYE playoffs!
-
Yawn. This take is dumb.
It's the worst Bama rushing attack in 15 years. Your yawn at my take is lazy. Wake up!
-
It's the worst Bama rushing attack in 15 years. Your yawn at my take is lazy. Wake up!
I though Bama was going to rumble by 50? What happened?
-
The hate and vitriol for the SEC just tells you all you need to know. The conference has officially achieved "Duke basketball" status as being hated for merely being great.
-
I though Bama was going to rumble by 50? What happened?
Who said that?
I'm fucking tired of this 7 year old-level of trolling. They're covering the spread, sorry the blowout isn't as much as you'd like.
Also, this isn't even Alabama on all cylinders. They ran a mix of plays and realized, "oh shit, we can run at will?!?" and simply played risk-free football. Just as I said before, Saban's 2011-style way of holding a child at bay with a hand on their head where they can't reach you to hit you. It's not excitinng, but it works if you're that much talented than your opponent.
-
Nick Saban with a month to prepare is not fair. He's and 0 with with a month to prepare for a team. Dude is the best coach in the game by a mile it's crazy. Kinda nuts to me he didn't really work as an NFL coach. His football IQ is every bit as good as Belichik, who he learned a ton from and styled his coaching system after.
-
Who said that?
You, many, many times. This was supposed to be an utter mismatch the likes of which we haven't seen in college football. But clearly it's not. What happened?
-
The hate and vitriol for the SEC just tells you all you need to know. The conference has officially achieved "Duke basketball" status as being hated for merely being great.
the SEC isn't great. Alabama is great. I think everyone is tired of Alabama. Just like everyone in the NFL was tired of the Patriots.
Example right here- dudes team sucks ass, SEC was 1-5 in bowls before today, and this loser is nut-riding King Gump's domination of everyone.
Nick Saban with a month to prepare is just not fair.
-
Is this quantifiable?
You can't just point to how many successful 5* they have, you'd have to quantify what percentage of 5* actually produce.
Then you have to consider the effect of surrounding your 5* recruits with a bunch of other stars, such that they're not the entire focus of the opposing team.
I.e. look at Karlaftis this year. Ho-hum statistical season because he was the only guy on that defense that the offense had to account for. Obviously not a "bust" of course, but his numbers were way worse than they'd be with a better supporting cast.
yes, it's very quantifiable. Look at how many 5* kids they take and of those how many are either mediocre players or just complete busts and who just stink. It's extremely small. This is unusual relative to all other 5*'s that go to other schools.
edit: also, Karlaftis is an All-Conference player and is being projected as a top 10 NFL Draft pick...so not sure why you're even bringing him up, he doesn't apply to this conversation.
-
The hate and vitriol for the SEC just tells you all you need to know. The conference has officially achieved "Duke basketball" status as being hated for merely being great.
Florida football and Georgia Tech basketball, living large
-
You, many, many times. This was supposed to be an utter mismatch the likes of which we haven't seen in college football. But clearly it's not. What happened?
It's not a mismatch?
Alabama abandoned it's usual offense because their mediocre RB is having the best game of his career. Cincinnati has 6 points.
(https://i.imgur.com/COBAfxa.jpg)
-
the SEC isn't great. Alabama is great. I think everyone is tired of Alabama. Just like everyone in the NFL was tired of the Patriots.
Example right here- dudes team sucks ass, SEC was 1-5 in bowls before today, and this loser is nut-riding King Gump's domination of everyone.
Nick Saban with a month to prepare is just not fair.
Then stop obsessing about the SEC, lol. FFS
-
It's not a mismatch?
Alabama abandoned it's usual offense because their mediocre RB is having the best game of his career. Cincinnati has 6 points.
(https://i.imgur.com/COBAfxa.jpg)
Shoot Bammer needs another touchdown before it even becomes the biggest mismatch in a playoff game this year. Clearly, your takes were silly.
The biggest things in this game were Bammer on third and long, and Cincy letting two touchdowns slip right through their fingers. Cincy didn't need to play perfectly to win, but they couldn't play poorly on offense and leave points on the board.
-
The time of day when many women of the world begin losing their minds trying to get the hubby's attention to GET Ready! Woo hoo, NYE playoffs!
Not going anywhere because we're old and we have the kids. Mostly because we're old.
Already deboned the lamb, rolled it, and marinated for tomorrow. Getting ready to start the boeuf bourguinon for tonight.
-
Shoot Bammer needs another touchdown before it even becomes the biggest mismatch in a playoff game this year. Clearly, your takes were silly.
The biggest things in this game were Bammer on third and long, and Cincy letting two touchdowns slip right through their fingers. Cincy didn't need to play perfectly to win, but they couldn't play poorly on offense and leave points on the board.
When you start trying to split hairs over a team not blowing out another team enough, you've lost the debate.
-
When you start trying to split hairs over a team not blowing out another team enough, you've lost the debate.
There is no debate. You said this was going to be an absolute shitshow. You were very clearly wrong. This wasn't even particularly special as far as semifinal games go in terms of blowouts or mismatches. So you were wrong, everyone knows you were wrong, and you can own it or not.
-
That trophy looks like a kracken attacking a football.
-
There is no debate. You said this was going to be an absolute shitshow. You were very clearly wrong. This wasn't even particularly special as far as semifinal games go in terms of blowouts or mismatches. So you were wrong, everyone knows you were wrong, and you can own it or not.
What score would have been "enough?"
I'm still waiting for Cinci to cross the goal line.
Double the total yards.
Double the first downs.
Held Cinci 33 points under their season average.
You're odd.
-
See, I could play the same game as you and say if Aidan Hutchinson doesn't have 5 sacks and save a baby from a burning orphanage in the Orange Bowl, he sucks.
But I won't do that.
Because I'm an adult.
-
What score would have been "enough?"
I'm still waiting for Cinci to cross the goal line.
Double the total yards.
Double the first downs.
Held Cinci 33 points under their season average.
You're odd.
At the very least, it should be one of the biggest blowouts in history, because that's what you said would happen. Instead, it wasn't, and you don't even have to squint very hard to see a very competitive game in the fourth quarter. It was an 11 point game in the fourth quarter! I don't understand why you can't just accept that you were wrong about something. But that's society these days, defiant in the face of reality to the end.
-
See, I could play the same game as you and say if Aidan Hutchinson doesn't have 5 sacks and save a baby from a burning orphanage in the Orange Bowl, he sucks.
But I won't do that.
Because I'm an adult.
Well, what happens if he does have five sacks and saves a baby?
-
At the very least, it should be one of the biggest blowouts in history, because that's what you said would happen.
Please quote the post where I said that.
-
Meh, this looked like a lot semifinal games I’ve seen in the CFP. I didn’t take a lot out of this result.
-
Please quote the post where I said that.
"You know what, I want Cincinnati to get in. People keep bitching about it, let's just let them in and watch like the ancient Romans did. The carnage a big-boy program with the NC up for grabs will put on the Bearcats can shut everyone up about it."
"I'd like to see Georgia, Oregon, Alabama, and Michigan or MSU in it. Interesting matchups.
I meant to say Cincinnati, so they get their shot at public embarrassment."
"I'm not sure what you expect to happen, aside from the obvious. Yay! Cincinnati got their participation trophy! At the expense of being impaled on a baseball bat in front of 15 million people!"
-
They were not embarrassed in my view, beat decisively yes.
-
Cincinnati had a better showing than Michigan has so far
-
"You know what, I want Cincinnati to get in. People keep bitching about it, let's just let them in and watch like the ancient Romans did. The carnage a big-boy program with the NC up for grabs will put on the Bearcats can shut everyone up about it."
"I'd like to see Georgia, Oregon, Alabama, and Michigan or MSU in it. Interesting matchups.
I meant to say Cincinnati, so they get their shot at public embarrassment."
"I'm not sure what you expect to happen, aside from the obvious. Yay! Cincinnati got their participation trophy! At the expense of being impaled on a baseball bat in front of 15 million people!"
Where does it say "one of the biggest blowouts in history?"
-
Oh sorry, didn't realize "impaled on a baseball bat", "public embarrassment," or "carnage" were code words for a pretty routine game.
-
You took phrases describing a blowout win (3+ possessions in my eyes) and fictionalized it to "one of the biggest blowouts in history."
Straw, meet man.
-
probably should've picked another G5 to play Georgia. Or let Cinci play them right after Bama. Better showing than the one Michigan is putting on right now.
-
You took phrases describing a blowout win (3+ possessions in my eyes) and fictionalized it to "one of the biggest blowouts in history."
Straw, meet man.
CARNAGE IS COMING IN THE FORM OF A SOLID WIN!!! JUST WAIT UNTIL THE G5 EXPERIENCES THE SAME HUMILIATION AS ALL OTHER TEAMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS. THEY WILL NEVER WANT TO PLAY AGAIN!!!!
-
You took phrases describing a blowout win (3+ possessions in my eyes) and fictionalized it to "one of the biggest blowouts in history."
Straw, meet man.
Now, come on. You have to own this. You don’t have to actually say the words “50 point blowout” for people to infer you meant something like that.
Watching carnage like the Romans did? Public embarrassment? Being impaled on a baseball bat?
Phrases like that lead whoever is reading it to expect more than a 21 point win like they have seen a million other times.
-
Here, Michigan's getting their asses beat, right? Look pretty hapless, yes?
Bama had more yards than UGA does with 4 min left in the game and allowed 70 fewer than UM has gained.
Cincinnati was emasculated. Sorry Bama didn't hang 50 on them, but Saban & Co. realized early on that they didn't have to.
If you played or coached football, you would understand this.
-
Here, Michigan's getting their asses beat, right? Look pretty hapless, yes?
Bama had more yards than UGA does with 4 min left in the game and allowed 70 fewer than UM has gained.
Cincinnati was emasculated. Sorry Bama didn't hang 50 on them, but Saban & Co. realized early on that they didn't have to.
If you played or coached football, you would understand this.
LOL
-
Because I'm an adult.
Ya that's the 1st thing that comes to everyone's mind when you post :D
Poster no 1 "say there isn't that the Adult gator guy posting over there"
Poster no 2 "why it's none other than,I hear he works for the Egg Lobby,perhaps he'll share some of those pearls with the rest of us"
Poster no 1 "well we sure can dream can't we"
-
Here, Michigan's getting their asses beat, right? Look pretty hapless, yes?
Bama had more yards than UGA does with 4 min left in the game and allowed 70 fewer than UM has gained.
Cincinnati was emasculated. Sorry Bama didn't hang 50 on them, but Saban & Co. realized early on that they didn't have to.
If you played or coached football, you would understand this.
Lol, what? I’m sure Saban decided to forego a runaway victory for a 17-6 lead heading into the 4th instead.
-
Lol, what? I’m sure Saban decided to forego a runaway victory for a 17-6 lead heading into the 4th instead.
You would understand if you coached football.
-
Or if you were an adult
-
Happy New Years you filthy animals
-
Lol, what? I’m sure Saban decided to forego a runaway victory for a 17-6 lead heading into the 4th instead.
It's almost like Cincinnati was willing to give up yardage and hope to limit Alabama's touchdowns. It's a shame when good coaches do smart things.
-
Cincinnati was emasculated. Sorry Bama didn't hang 50 on them, but Saban & Co. realized early on that they didn't have to.
If you played or coached football, you would understand this.
This is some hard trying.
They got their ass beat. Like happens in the majority of semifinals, and a lot of finals.
They got in by the thinnest of margins and did basically the norm. Seems fine and dandy.
-
I love it when things happen and then narratives have to spring up to justify it...
-
This collective shrug to Cincinnati getting totally beaten down is revealing. All these people wanting them to get their chance.....and then (I guess) all the same people having low expectations.
It's weird when everyone gives a bj to a 14-point dog who loses by 21.
-
Lol, what? I’m sure Saban decided to forego a runaway victory for a 17-6 lead heading into the 4th instead.
Well....yes. But not in the silly, absurd way you're suggesting.
Saban was reluctant to open up his offense for years. We see something similar in this game and we suddenly forget that?
Alabama marches down the field on 10 running plays. Low risk. Get the W.
Did you watch any Alabama games this year? Pass, pass, run as a change-up, and pass some more. Why would they stray so far from that??
Hmm.
Let me think.
-
Well....yes. But not in the silly, absurd way you're suggesting.
Saban was reluctant to open up his offense for years. We see something similar in this game and we suddenly forget that?
Alabama marches down the field on 10 running plays. Low risk. Get the W.
Did you watch any Alabama games this year? Pass, pass, run as a change-up, and pass some more. Why would they stray so far from that??
Hmm.
Let me think.
You were wrong. It’s ok. You can admit it. It’s fine. We all are from time to time. Yes, Bama beat UC handily. It just wasn’t the epic, unforgettable thrashing you said it would be. It was a normal, run of the mill, this team is clearly superior to this team, ass whipping.
Yes, Bama ran it down their throats. Part of that was just superiority up front. Part of it was how Cincinnati chose to defend them. Blackledge mentioned during the game at some point UC was going to have to walk a safety up to help stop the run. That, and a pretty good pass rush, is one the reasons you didn’t see Young have his typical great game. They were taking away the deep ball. They got pressure several times. Again, Blackledge mentioned multiple times how Cincy was making Young uncomfortable in the pocket.
This wasn’t a deal where Bama could have ran for 500 or thrown for 500 and they just flipped a coin and decided to run. Bama wasn’t settling for field goals because they wanted to. UC didn’t have any worse showing than Washington or Michigan St did in semifinal games to Bama.
-
Again, look at the end of your post.
You guys have set the bar for Cincinnati at not really competing and getting an ass-whipping. THAT was my point the whole time. Instead of being an embarrassing showing like MSU or Washington had, everyone here is treating it as ho-hum.
That's the whole point.
But please, focus on OAM being wrong. As if I'm the point.
Sometimes you guys are creepy.
-
Again, look at the end of your post.
You guys have set the bar for Cincinnati at not really competing and getting an ass-whipping. THAT was my point the whole time. Instead of being an embarrassing showing like MSU or Washington had, everyone here is treating it as ho-hum.
That's the whole point.
But please, focus on OAM being wrong. As if I'm the point.
Sometimes you guys are creepy.
It was ho hum. A 17-6 game heading into the 4th doesn’t make me think, “Jesus, Cincinnati is getting humiliated! This is why G5 schools should never get another chance.”
Remember what your boys did to UC in the Sugar several years ago? That was an epic, embarrassing beat down. This wasn’t that.
-
Again, look at the end of your post.
You guys have set the bar for Cincinnati at not really competing and getting an ass-whipping. THAT was my point the whole time. Instead of being an embarrassing showing like MSU or Washington had, everyone here is treating it as ho-hum.
That's the whole point.
But please, focus on OAM being wrong. As if I'm the point.
Sometimes you guys are creepy.
Take the L man.
-
It's just The Fro show, up in this thread.
Blech.
-
Would ND have done better?
-
No, and Georgia won't either.
-
Turnovers matter
-
This collective shrug to Cincinnati getting totally beaten down is revealing. All these people wanting them to get their chance.....and then (I guess) all the same people having low expectations.
It's weird when everyone gives a bj to a 14-point dog who loses by 21.
It is revealing. See, basically none of use expected a win. Most everyone didn’t expect it to be close. The question was, would this be a ho-hum playoff blowout or not.
To hear some folks tell it, this was gonna hurt their feelings so bad, it wasn’t worth stepping on the field. There would be blood and limbs everywhere. This wouldn’t just be a loss, but a loss of special proportions.
And it wasn’t. They looked like an ACC champ or a PAC-12 champ or even some Big Ten Champs. If we’re told all month this was gonna be a bath of blood, and it ends with “well, the points didn’t resemble the yardage disparity,” yep, a shrug and move on. If you wanna tell me how the next tow choices would’ve played closer, please do.
-
Ohio State might have done better
-
You were wrong. It’s ok. You can admit it. It’s fine. We all are from time to time.
Hey-hey-hey that's just crazy talk,watch it there Buster his Eminence will not be addressed in such fashion
-
Cincinnati was emasculated. Sorry Bama didn't hang 50 on them, but Saban & Co. realized early on that they didn't have to.
If you played or coached football, you would understand this.
Do the math,not the meth,they pulled away & cemented it in the 4th,robust 3 TD win.You may have noticed we have a cooking thread in the Forum - by all means try one out for your crow.And what position did you play - Left Out?
-
Ask Luke Fickell if they were dominated. Ask Desmond Ridder.
Not a lot of objectivity on this board. That's too bad.
-
Nice job since we can't talk to them personally - in your land of make believe logically they'd side with you. 🤣 21 points we usually go by the score board solid win still a punchers chance going into the 4th.Which is more cred than you carry
-
Ask Luke Fickell if they were dominated. Ask Desmond Ridder.
Not a lot of objectivity on this board. That's too bad.
LOL, anything to avoid the actual game. I can only imagine the spin if Cincy hadn't dropped two touchdown passes.
-
Ask Luke Fickell if they were dominated. Ask Desmond Ridder.
Not a lot of objectivity on this board. That's too bad.
Good idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ujHr1hxmTs
Fast forward to about 13:40 when Dublanko and Ridder were asked what they thought their performance showed about the debate of G5 schools getting a shot. Dublanko said he thought they were inches away and and a couple missed tackles here and there hurt them. Ridder said there wasn’t a fight to stop (meaning they weren’t getting obliterated) and they wanted to fight till the end.
Both thought they showed they belonged. Now, even I’ll admit they probably paint a rosier picture than it was but that’s about a million miles from “ask them, they’ll tell you they were dominated.” Just like a 27-6 win and a 17-6 deficit heading into the 4th quarter is a million miles from what you were predicting.
-
60-now you're putting words in his mouth,of course after he just did the same :-[
-
Ask Luke Fickell if they were dominated. Ask Desmond Ridder.
Not a lot of objectivity on this board. That's too bad.
The bolded if very true.
We got a game that was OBJECTIVELY not the outlier bloodletting many promised.
Now we have people arguing SUBJECTIVELY that if I squint, it actually was.
Too bad indeed.
-
Ohio State might have done better
Maybe not
-
After watching the 1st quarter, Bama can name the score. Tide 41-13.
Bama had a couple of second and long situations after several consecutive running plays where play action passes would have been TDs. Ran the ball on those plays and failed to move the chains on the third downs. IMO, those two plays were the difference in Bama winning 27-6 rather than 41-6.
-
Total Yards 218 to 482
with the benefit of plus 1 in turnovers
twas an ass whippin
-
Bama had a couple of second and long situations after several consecutive running plays where play action passes would have been TDs. Ran the ball on those plays and failed to move the chains on the third downs. IMO, those two plays were the difference in Bama winning 27-6 rather than 41-6.
OTOH hand, Cincy dropped two touchdowns and also got a bit unlucky in third and long situations, which was the difference between a 27-17 type game too.
-
Saban is the best coach who has ever done it and it's because he develops talent like crazy. If a kid goes to Bama, he's going to get developed. They have very very very few "busts".
This simply isn't true. Alabama/SEC is allowed to recruit 5 extra players a year, and they quietly dismiss all the busts. There are lots of discussable advantages built into the SEC, but I still assert being allowed to get 5 extra kids per recruiting cycle is the biggest advantage.
-
Ohio State might have done better
Doubtful.
Just last year OSU lost to 'bama 52-24 and buckeyes had a worse defense this year.
Cincinnati lost to 'bama 27-6, and made 'bama play a different style game to get the win.
This Bearcat team was really good. Just not Alabama good.
I would favor Cincinnati to win the PAC 12 North or South, ACC Atlantic or Coastal, and B1G West.
I don't think they would have survived the gauntlet of the B1G East, or having to do a rematch in the B12, or win SEC ('bama) West, and prolly would be an underdog to Georgia as well. I think they truly were the 4th best team this year, and did about as good as most teams do vs. 'bama.
-
Doubtful.
Just last year OSU lost to 'bama 52-24 and buckeyes had a worse defense this year.
Cincinnati lost to 'bama 27-6, and made 'bama play a different style game to get the win.
This, is a hell of a reach.
Saban smartly chose a low-risk/low-return strategy of running over Cincy simply because he knew he could. The Tide ran 47 times for 301 yards not because Cincy prevented the alternative but because Saban chose not to take any unnecessary risks.
Bama had 10 possessions and those resulted in:
- 3 TD's
- 2 FG's
- 2 punts
- 1 missed FG (a 44 yarder after a 12 play, 65 yard drive)
- 1 INT
- 1 end of game
Cincy stopped Bama three times out of nine drives. Excluding the end of the game, Bama's other nine drives resulted in five scores. They didn't pass because they didn't have to.
'21 Bama is not nearly as strong as '20 Bama (for that matter the entire CFP field this year was substantially weaker than usual). In 2020 Bama went 13-0 and only the SECCG was decided by one possession. Even that was only that close because Florida scored a very late TD. In 2021 Bama had a loss (to a mediocre aTm team) and all of the following one-score wins:
- By 2 at Florida
- By 6 vs LSU
- By 7 vs Arkansas
- In OT at Auburn
'20 Bama dominated their entire schedule, '21 Bama most certainly did not.
All of this is not to say that tOSU would have done better but to point out that '20 Bama and '21 Bama are not apples/apples.
-
Cincy played a very light box. OSU played Bama and chose to play a 4-4-3 to stop the run and got obliterated. Cincy played a 3-3-5 and did a pretty good job against the pass. They largely did a pretty good job against the pass, and obviously the hope was they could slow down' Bammer's run enough to get them off the field. Wasn't the worst idea.
-
This, is a hell of a reach.
...
'20 Bama dominated their entire schedule, '21 Bama most certainly did not.
All of this is not to say that tOSU would have done better but to point out that '20 Bama and '21 Bama are not apples/apples.
I'll concede last year's bama performed better than this years 'bama, but last year OSU performed better than this years OSU. So, I don't concede that's it's a hell of a reach that OSU would have faired better than Cincinnati.
I also think 'bama ran the ball so much because that is what Cincinnati gave them (3-3-5 D.) Cincinnati's goal was to slow 'bama down and hope to get a couple lucky breaks. They didn't get the breaks and lost by methodical 3 scores. Instead of 3+ Highlight real scores.
-
This, is a hell of a reach.
Saban smartly chose a low-risk/low-return strategy of running over Cincy simply because he knew he could. The Tide ran 47 times for 301 yards not because Cincy prevented the alternative but because Saban chose not to take any unnecessary risks.
Bama had 10 possessions and those resulted in:
- 3 TD's
- 2 FG's
- 2 punts
- 1 missed FG (a 44 yarder after a 12 play, 65 yard drive)
- 1 INT
- 1 end of game
Cincy stopped Bama three times out of nine drives. Excluding the end of the game, Bama's other nine drives resulted in five scores. They didn't pass because they didn't have to.
'21 Bama is not nearly as strong as '20 Bama (for that matter the entire CFP field this year was substantially weaker than usual). In 2020 Bama went 13-0 and only the SECCG was decided by one possession. Even that was only that close because Florida scored a very late TD. In 2021 Bama had a loss (to a mediocre aTm team) and all of the following one-score wins:
- By 2 at Florida
- By 6 vs LSU
- By 7 vs Arkansas
- In OT at Auburn
'20 Bama dominated their entire schedule, '21 Bama most certainly did not.
All of this is not to say that tOSU would have done better but to point out that '20 Bama and '21 Bama are not apples/apples.
Nah, disagree to an extent. Cincinnati was definitely trying to take away the pass and hold up against the run. Blackledge mentioned on more than one occasion he was surprised UC wasn’t walking a safety up because they kept getting gashed.
UC was also getting pretty good pressure. Again, Blackledge mentioned several times that Young looked uncomfortable in the pocket against UC. When Young did connect it wasn’t the big play variety like it was most of the season. He averaged 6.5 YPA against UC. He averaged 9.2 for the year.
Some of what Bama was doing was because they had a mismatch up front, but some of it was because of how UC chose to defend them. Like I said to OAM, this wasn’t a case where Bama could have thrown for 500 or ran for 500 and they just decided to run. Cincinnati was actively trying to take away the downfield passing game.
-
I still don't see who merited being in over Cincy. The next few teams in contention weren't all that impressive either. And UC beat ND.
The "good" Ohio State team probably could match up with anyone.
-
Nah, disagree to an extent. Cincinnati was definitely trying to take away the pass and hold up against the run. Blackledge mentioned on more than one occasion he was surprised UC wasn’t walking a safety up because they kept getting gashed.
UC was also getting pretty good pressure. Again, Blackledge mentioned several times that Young looked uncomfortable in the pocket against UC. When Young did connect it wasn’t the big play variety like it was most of the season. He averaged 6.5 YPA against UC. He averaged 9.2 for the year.
Some of what Bama was doing was because they had a mismatch up front, but some of it was because of how UC chose to defend them. Like I said to OAM, this wasn’t a case where Bama could have thrown for 500 or ran for 500 and they just decided to run. Cincinnati was actively trying to take away the downfield passing game.
i agree with this to an extent. cincy pass d is legit. and bama ran for 2 reasons and those reasons complement each other; 1 they could and knew it, 2 it's what cincy was giving.
now, had cincy walked up and played a traditional 7 man front with a safety near box to stop run could bama have ran as easily? i don't know, probably not. but i'd put money on them being able to pass quite successfully in the scenario. especially because that would have been cincy doing something they don't do.
what cincy does good (defend the pass) they do very good. and did very good vs bama. where they are weak, bama took advantage. it's a simple as that. and that's what bama/saban does best. finds your weakness and exploits it.
fwiw, imo, they were most definitely deserving to be there. and very likely the 3rd or 4th best team overall this season.
-
i agree with this to an extent. cincy pass d is legit. and bama ran for 2 reasons and those reasons complement each other; 1 they could and knew it, 2 it's what cincy was giving.
now, had cincy walked up and played a traditional 7 man front with a safety near box to stop run could bama have ran as easily? i don't know, probably not. but i'd put money on them being able to pass quite successfully in the scenario. especially because that would have been cincy doing something they don't do.
what cincy does good (defend the pass) they do very good. and did very good vs bama. where they are weak, bama took advantage. it's a simple as that. and that's what bama/saban does best. finds your weakness and exploits it.
fwiw, imo, they were most definitely deserving to be there. and very likely the 3rd or 4th best team overall this season.
Yeah, I agree with all that. I think we’re saying the same thing. I actually think I would have taken the exact opposite approach that Fickell did. All I heard before the game was that UC arguably had the best set of corners in the country. I actually think I would have sold out on the run and put my corners on an island and hoped they could hold up.
It probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference in outcome but I was surprised they chose the death they did. I assumed Bama would have a big advantage up front.
-
UC also needed to score points and keep the ball away from Bama, which they didn't very well at all. I think UC was basically toast without TOs and some excellent play by their QB.
-
Yeah, I agree with all that. I think we’re saying the same thing. I actually think I would have taken the exact opposite approach that Fickell did. All I heard before the game was that UC arguably had the best set of corners in the country. I actually think I would have sold out on the run and put my corners on an island and hoped they could hold up.
It probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference in outcome but I was surprised they chose the death they did. I assumed Bama would have a big advantage up front.
yup
-
UC also needed to score points and keep the ball away from Bama, which they didn't very well at all. I think UC was basically toast without TOs and some excellent play by their QB.
this is where domination happened. outside of the first drive of each half, which were almost certainly scripted and their best plays, cincy was completely shutdown. after those drives, bama adjusted and shut them down.
cincy drives and results, in order.
1st half
60 yards, fg
1 yd, punt
6 yds, punt
5 yrds, fumble
4 yds, turnover on downs (also the final play of half)
2nd half
56 yds, fg
1 yd, punt
-16 yds, punt
49 yds, downs
37 yds, downs