I'm curious why we have a 2nd poll like this for a predominantly asymptomatic virus.Well, the question is whether you TESTED positive. That is unrelated to symtomology.
I woke up Christmas morning with classic symptomscongratulations!!!
Fever, headache, cough, fatigue, body aches
felt like hell
didn't cook the prime rib, opened presents and went back to bed
feeling a little better this morning, headache is mild and the fever isn't so bad
haven't been tested, not sure I will get tested
tomorrow I'm exactly 8 months from my 2nd Phizer shot, for some reason I thought it was 8 months for the booster.glad to hear it
Now I see it's 6 months, wish I would have had the boost a month ago. Symptoms might have been mild enough to enjoy Christmas day with my daughters. I'll wait a couple months now and then boost up
I felling well enough to sit in a recliner and watch football today
big improvement
I woke up Christmas morning with classic symptomsPretty much ditto. And I was in Michigan last week.
Fever, headache, cough, fatigue, body aches
felt like hell
didn't cook the prime rib, opened presents and went back to bed
feeling a little better this morning, headache is mild and the fever isn't so bad
haven't been tested, not sure I will get tested
Pretty much ditto. And I was in Michigan last week.Probably an allergic reaction to the state. I've heard it happens to Buckeye fans :57:
but I took the rapid test today. Negative.
Probably an allergic reaction to the state. I've heard it happens to Buckeye fans :57:🤮🤮
cant find a home test kit around hereI had a couple I bought a few months ago. Maybe I should sell my last one on ebay and make a fortune.
CVS etc out
ok I got to askThree weeks ago I took a rapid test at the walk-in clinic - it was negative. But I had symptoms and a known exposure. I took a PCR test same day, a Saturday. On Monday I was informed I was positive. I was told rapid tests are 85% accurate. I am in the elite 15%. I knew something was askew, but I had two Pfizer shots in April, and this being my 2nd course of COVID-19 at age 64, was tolerable. That said, I had two clients die that were younger than me last month of this crap.
has anyone ever tested positive with a home test
just wondering
ok I got to askThe population bothering to do a home test is ____________.
has anyone ever tested positive with a home test
just wondering
I tested twice when I had a bunch of symptoms, mainly because with kids activities, I didn't want to be the reason they got shut down. Both times negative. We all did home tests before seeing family for Christmas, and I actually was more worried about those results, figuring 1 of the 5 of us had asymptomatic Omacron. Shockingly, but pleasantly surprised to go 0-5Dad was dx with leukemia about 15-days ago. I plan to travel to see him in January. Omicron is not as nasty, but for him, would be deadly. I plan to buy rapid tests, and test after we arrive in Tucson, but my daughter and I will maintain distance and mask, whatever the results. We are a hands-on family so I might hold my breath 30-seconds and hug my dad.
ok I got to askI have not, but I've known people who have
has anyone ever tested positive with a home test
just wondering
Dad was dx with leukemia about 15-days ago. I plan to travel to see him in January. Omicron is not as nasty, but for him, would be deadly. I plan to buy rapid tests, and test after we arrive in Tucson, but my daughter and I will maintain distance and mask, whatever the results. We are a hands-on family so I might hold my breath 30-seconds and hug my dad.First - best wishes on your father's health concerns/recovery but Vaxed or not has no bearing on spreading the virus.Stopped at Christmas with some old buds at a pub.Three of them vaxed - did not distance or mask up,the jabb won't prevent you from spreading it.I left after one
I am a one-man law office. I told my new admin. assistant, my travel plans and that we need to mask while we are in the same room. The former admin. assistant was released two-weeks ago after she gifted me my 2nd round of COVID-19.
How would you know that after leaving a public place - it doesn't kill the virus on contact.Maybe they spray themselves down with bleach/alcohol after every stopso you are saying only break through folks who are vaxed spread the virus
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/Not right when you leave a gathering of people if you have been sneezed on for instance or breathed on,you can spread it just as easy as i.It's not killed on contact just because you've been vaxed.The vax will help you internally this according to the hemotoligist/epidemiologist/Internal medicine physicians I've listened to.I still distance and still mask up with the 3M 9501
Vaxxed people are less likely to be infected, and someone who isn't infected can't transmit the virus. So vaccines DO help reduce spread in that sense.
So two+ years later, I am viewing the survey results on a thread I started. I cannot believe how few of us on here tested + for COVID. I had it 3x, (only 1x or 2x when I posted).May 2022 was my last one. I forget about it until I see someone wearing a mask outside. But the snowbirds are starting to leave, so that will less and less of a sight to see.
As a group we are either very resilient, or COVID nontesters.
I haven't had COVID now for way over one-year. It's fading from memory.
So two+ years later, I am viewing the survey results on a thread I started. I cannot believe how few of us on here tested + for COVID. I had it 3x, (only 1x or 2x when I posted).I honestly think the first time I have ever had it was Jan 2024, and that was confirmed by testing... So my vote would have changed now compared to Jan 2022.
As a group we are either very resilient, or COVID nontesters.
I haven't had COVID now for way over one-year. It's fading from memory.
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Intentionally lab-created, synthesized, and distributed as a bio weapon.Yes.Maybe.
Tested positive in February 2023 while at a sales conference in New Orleans. That’s the only time. Tested at home many times.How sick did you feel? What were your symptoms?
(Reuters) - At the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. military launched a secret campaign to counter what it perceived as China’s growing influence in the Philippines, a nation hit especially hard by the deadly virus.Only a complete f*cking moron would believe the US gov't doesn't run propaganda operations on it's own citizens. Reuters is a mother f*cking joke.
The clandestine operation has not been previously reported. It aimed to sow doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines and other life-saving aid that was being supplied by China, a Reuters investigation found. Through phony internet accounts meant to impersonate Filipinos, the military’s propaganda efforts morphed into an anti-vax campaign. Social media posts decried the quality of face masks, test kits and the first vaccine that would become available in the Philippines – China’s Sinovac inoculation.
Reuters identified at least 300 accounts on X, formerly Twitter, that matched descriptions shared by former U.S. military officials familiar with the Philippines operation. Almost all were created in the summer of 2020 and centered on the slogan #Chinaangvirus – Tagalog for China is the virus.
“COVID came from China and the VACCINE also came from China, don’t trust China!” one typical tweet from July 2020 read in Tagalog. The words were next to a photo of a syringe beside a Chinese flag and a soaring chart of infections. Another post read: “From China – PPE, Face Mask, Vaccine: FAKE. But the Coronavirus is real.”
After Reuters asked X about the accounts, the social media company removed the profiles, determining they were part of a coordinated bot campaign based on activity patterns and internal data.
The U.S. military’s anti-vax effort began in the spring of 2020 and expanded beyond Southeast Asia before it was terminated in mid-2021, Reuters determined. Tailoring the propaganda campaign to local audiences across Central Asia and the Middle East, the Pentagon used a combination of fake social media accounts on multiple platforms to spread fear of China’s vaccines among Muslims at a time when the virus was killing tens of thousands of people each day. A key part of the strategy: amplify the disputed contention that, because vaccines sometimes contain pork gelatin, China’s shots could be considered forbidden under Islamic law.
The military program started under former President Donald Trump and continued months into Joe Biden’s presidency, Reuters found – even after alarmed social media executives warned the new administration that the Pentagon had been trafficking in COVID misinformation. The Biden White House issued an edict in spring 2021 banning the anti-vax effort, which also disparaged vaccines produced by other rivals, and the Pentagon initiated an internal review, Reuters found.
The U.S. military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence the Pentagon’s influence operation did so.
Spokespeople for Trump and Biden did not respond to requests for comment about the clandestine program.
A senior Defense Department official acknowledged the U.S. military engaged in secret propaganda to disparage China’s vaccine in the developing world, but the official declined to provide details.
A Pentagon spokeswoman said the U.S. military “uses a variety of platforms, including social media, to counter those malign influence attacks aimed at the U.S., allies, and partners.” She also noted that China had started a “disinformation campaign to falsely blame the United States for the spread of COVID-19.”
In an email, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it has long maintained the U.S. government manipulates social media and spreads misinformation.
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What if something as infectious as COVID 19 but far more deadly were somehow released?More people would die. Duh.
Why else would the US be funding a virus lab in Wuhan????
Perhaps the Chinese thought and were hoping COVID-19 was going to be far more deadly
China closed airports to internal travel and locked down to the point of welding doors shut.I think the U.S. would have done the same. So there's that.
They did not shut down international travel.
Connect the dots. This is not hard.
You fund viral research to learn more and use it in positive ways.well, if well meaning dems ruled the world
well, if well meaning dems ruled the worldI've found that when an act seems to be either incompetence or unethical, it's usually incompetence. To insert motive isn't very objective.
wait............ they're not perfect either
positive ways can mean eliminating you're adversaries
How sick did you feel? What were your symptoms?The first 12 hours were chills, body ache, and just extreme fatigue. Felt like the flu. After that the next 24 hours it was really just fatigue. Slept a lot. Didn’t move around a lot. After that I felt fine for the most part.
I think the U.S. would have done the same. So there's that.You think wrong.
I hope he's wrongThe only country the US closed travel to/from is China, and 45 was called a xenophobe for doing so.
I don't think it would have been exactly the same
You think wrong.CUZ YOU SAY SO
No, because you are wrong.If it started spreading from a city in the U.S., we wouldn't have prioritized closing domestic travel over international travel?
Past actions prove the fact that the US did not close travel internally while keeping international travel open.
Wake up. The Covid dream is over.
If it started spreading from a city in the U.S., we wouldn't have prioritized closing domestic travel over international travel?This is correct. Congrats.
I don't know what we might do TODAY, we all know what was attempted back when it was spreading and misundertood in many aspects. The attempts to isolate it all failed, though we could have done a more assiduous job in isolating the elderly early on, and didn't.Do you mean to say that "America's Governor" didn't do a good job?
I don't think a country can effectively isolate a disease by shutting down internal air travel, there are too many more vectors available.
Do you mean to say that "America's Governor" didn't do a good job?America's president assured everyone that it would just go away. Remember that? At around 15 cases, it would magically stop there. And, you know, not wind up being over 100 million. Stable genius and all.
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America's president assured everyone that it would just go away. Remember that? At around 15 cases, it would magically stop there. And, you know, not wind up being over 100 million. Stable genius and all.I remember.
What did Fauci say early on that he knew was untrue?He told everyone that it was from a wet market and that there was no way it came from a lab that he claimed he didn't fund.
I don't really get all the angst thrown at Fauci.
He told everyone that it was from a wet market and that there was no way it came from a lab that he claimed he didn't fund.He literally said that? What was the specific quote? I don't recall his saying that.
Did coronavirus come from a lab? | New Scientist (https://www.newscientist.com/definition/coronavirus-come-lab/)Meh. It's over 3 years old.
It has taken my daughter 3 years to recover.I'm dead serious.
I don't think my son ever will. It was incredibly destructive for him.
And we went back to school in September of 2020. Many school districts around the country took a year longer, or even more.
What made it worse is that the snotty elitists who thought they had science on their side, used it as a weapon to bludgeon their opposition who they consistently underestimated as nothing more than a bunch of flat-earthers.I get all of this, but I think you're underestimating the fear of the exceptions being blown out of proportion.
When in fact the science was NOT on their side in many important cases, such as the risks to school-aged children and the risks to adults teaching school-aged children. Within the first 6 months there was plenty of global evidence that these were very low risk factors and that schools could reopen and proceed with some new, reasonable precautions put in place. But every time their "enemy" from "the other team" suggested this, they responded with "ZOMG you hate children and teachers and you don't understand THE SCIENCE ZOMG THE SCIENCE!"
Denouncing your enemy as "science-deniers" all the while having zero understanding that the science was NOT on your side-- that was peak COVID pandemic lunacy right there.
That's an understandable take. Perhaps if anyone among the snobby elitist "we know science and you don't" side had positioned it that way, it might have been a bridge to some compassion, some understanding, and some compromise.Maybe that's what they wanted.
But that's not the way they positioned it. They treated their "enemy" as being insufferably stupid and subhuman, wouldn't entertain talks of moderation at all, and constantly bludgeoned them as being "science deniers" and "child haters."
There's zero chance at reasonable discourse when you feel the need to vilify and dehumanize those who disagree with your opinion.
And it led to a massive and at least somewhat avoidable catastrophe.
Saint Fauci now admits that keeping schools closed was a mistake, but he still stands by his advice, which was to keep schools closed.I see reference to the CDC and then to Fauci. What specifically did Fauci advise at the time?
Looking back and saying "we were too cautious" is a good thing. It's a helluva lot better than the alternative.I didn't mind some caution. When the thing first hit, I initially wondered whether the world was overreacting, but even in retrospect, supported the Mar 2020 closure of in-person schooling. We didn't know what we were dealing with.
“Children have resumed learning, but largely at the same pace as before the pandemic. There’s no hurrying up teaching fractions or the Pythagorean theorem,” said CEPR faculty director Thomas Kane (https://www.gse.harvard.edu/directory/faculty/thomas-kane). “The hardest hit communities — like Richmond, Virginia, St. Louis, Missouri, and New Haven, Connecticut, where students fell behind by more than 1.5 years in math — have to teach 150 percent of a typical year’s worth of material for three years in a row — just to catch up. That is simply not going to happen without a major increase in instructional time. Any district that lost more than a year of learning should be required to revisit their recovery plans and add instructional time — summer school, extended school year, tutoring, etc. — so that students are made whole. ”
“It’s not readily visible to parents when their children have fallen behind earlier cohorts, but the data from 7,800 school districts show clearly that this is the case,” said Sean Reardon (https://ed.stanford.edu/faculty/seanreardon), professor of poverty and inequality, Stanford Graduate School of Education. “The educational impacts of the pandemic were not only historically large, but were disproportionately visited on communities with many low-income and minority students. Our research shows that schools were far from the only cause of decreased learning — the pandemic affected children through many ways — but they are the institution best suited to remedy the unequal impacts of the pandemic.”
How many states closed schools down for months and months? I really don't recall now beyond some vague notions. I agree it was too long in many cases. And it's clear it had a serious cost.Los Angeles Unified School District remained remote until at least Apr 2021. I don't know whether they were "fully" open after that time or if they had additional restrictions. I believe the district my kids attend in Orange County were similar.
I was in SD for a HS graduation and a speaker noted the class started HS there when the school was shut down. Apparently they missed a year plus.
I don't recall who was advocating for this, how widely spread it was, and how long it lasted.
I think we know now at least that protecting the elderly should have been the primary focus on all fronts, and everyone else pretty much should carry on.
That's what we did.
We could have offered a hybrid model where parents who were more risk-averse and teachers who were more risk-averse or in high-risk groups due to comorbidities could opt into distance learning, while those who accepted the risk and thought that in-person instruction was more effective and important for childhood development returned to that.
Sure, but conventional thinking was that the most at-risk in any general health scare is both ends of the spectrum - the elderly and the very young.
I think we know now at least that protecting the elderly should have been the primary focus on all fronts, and everyone else pretty much should carry on.
Sure, but conventional thinking was that the most at-risk in any general health scare is both ends of the spectrum - the elderly and the very young.I recall a lot of cautiousness on this message board early on because we were all scared and in the dark. Things changed and now we know our failures.
It was dumb luck that COVID didn't beat down kids as badly as it did old people.
And as the children being at low-risk going against conventional thinking, I think we wanted to make sure that was the case and not some delayed-reaction.
Again, this became radially politicized, but being too cautious is far better than not being cautious enough. You can't Monday-morning QB this thing and get upset over it.
And besides, most of the outrage had fuck-all to do with children's education and was obsessed about businesses going under. $$$ > well-being of children
and DO NOT try to explain away that one. It's a fact and everyone knows it.
That's what we did.Yeah, but as you regularly point out, what your individual school district did is merely anecdotal evidence. Nice sample size :57:
I think there's this tradition of unions in the northeast that may or may not be too powerful, but I don't know how apt that is for the other 95% of the country.
At some stage, it just becomes a talking point with another villain. But I don't know.
I reluctantly volunteered to be the online-only person for my grade level. The other 3 were in-person. I got up, showered, and went into my classroom every day, as I knew if I tried rolling out of bed and teaching, it wouldn't have been as effective.
We all did our best and every decision we made at a district level was in the best interest of the students. If that wasn't the case everywhere, then that is unfortunate.
There clearly was concern about BOTH education AND businesses going under. It isn't one OR the other, it was and is both.You don't have to assert something that happened years ago. Yeah, I can get some 90/10 ground beef - it's both lean and fat, but it's far more one than the other.
But it's easiest to present a strawman to knock down even when nobody has asserted it.
Yeah, but as you regularly point out, what your individual school district did is merely anecdotal evidence. Nice sample size :57:Agreed, but it was simply what I experienced, while noting my lack of knowledge about the unions thing.
The AFT and other big unions had a hand in writing the CDC guidance for schools closing/opening. That is outrageous to me.A stakeholder being involved in the decision-making process?!? For shame! And yeah, based on her resume, she's the devil.
And this one... Prison.
Randi Weingarten | American Federation of Teachers (aft.org) (https://www.aft.org/about/leadership/randi-weingarten)
A stakeholder being involved in the decision-making process?!? For shame! And yeah, based on her resume, she's the devil.Background doesn't sound like "the" science to me at all.
What planet are you on????
You don't have to assert something that happened years ago. Yeah, I can get some 90/10 ground beef - it's both lean and fat, but it's far more one than the other.Well, there you have it folks, I'm not sure what "it" is here, something about choices in ground beef fat content. Or something.
Some of you use 'straw man' incorrectly here. It's not a replacement for "nuh uh." It actually means something.
Agreed, but it was simply what I experienced, while noting my lack of knowledge about the unions thing."We were too cautious" means one thing: we prioritized one important thing too much to the exclusion of other important things. There's harm in that.
Children's learning was hampered and their socialization was retarded. But also, no extra student-age children died that didn't have to. That's a success. We were extra careful - even too careful - to make sure of that. A bunch of teachers didn't die. A bunch of student relatives didn't die.
This is the correct outcome from something like this. "We were too cautious" is a good outcome. When one side of the scale is potential death, what's in the other side doesn't matter, even something as important as student learning.
Well, there you have it folks, I'm not sure what "it" is here, something about choices in ground beef fat content. Or something.I'm not sure what a weaker version of your points would even be. They're weak all on their own.
A straw man argument is a distorted (and weaker) version of another person's argument that can easily be refuted (e.g., when a teacher proposes that the class spend more time on math exercises, a parent complains that the teacher doesn't care about reading and writing).
"We were too cautious" means one thing: we prioritized one important thing too much to the exclusion of other important things. There's harm in that.Maybe that's what radical people would say.
The problem with only counting the body count is that you can justify almost anything without someone arguing against you. "The risk to kids is low and we think in-school instruction is critically important for their development, so schools should reopen." "SO YOU WANT DEAD KIDS/TEACHERS/RELATIVES, DO YOU?!?! YOU MONSTER!"
That's what this debate became. THAT'S what we're arguing against.
| May 2018 | The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team. |
| July 2019 | The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role. |
| Oct. 2019 | “Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.” |
Fauci's involvement probably helped create the virusYes.
it's a stretch to think he helped it leak outside the lab
I don't see any evidence of Fauci's involvement in creating the virus, but whatever.Though Fauci has [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]stuck by that claim in subsequent congressional hearings[/color] (https://nypost.com/2024/06/03/us-news/house-covid-chair-rips-faucis-hypocrisy-during-pandemic-in-congressional-hearing/), NIH principal deputy director Dr. Lawrence Tabak told members of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic last month that US taxpayers [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]did fund gain-of-function research[/color] (https://nypost.com/2024/05/16/us-news/nih-director-admits-taxpayers-funded-gain-of-function-research-in-wuhan-four-years-after-covid-pandemic-began/) on bat SARS viruses at the WIV.
I would think ANY basic research on pathogens might well involve modification of said pathogen so as to better understand how it works and what it could be.yup, that could have easily been done in the US