I'm looking forward to this matchup - these teams play somewhat similar styles. Georgia is more talented in a lot of places, but Michigan has better pass rushers and better quarterbacks, two positions important to winning football games.Outside of LB, DT, and maybe TE, where? Because I am just not seeing it.
Well, there we go. Mdot can head to Miami. Set to play December 31st. First line is Georgia -8it's already dropped to -7. Whoever made that line is drunk. Georgia opened as 8.5 point favorites vs Bama, if I recall correctly.
Well I definitely don't agree that Michigan has a far better secondary, though they are solid. Recruitnik rankings favor the Dawgs.Michigan has a far better secondary. Their secondary does not have busted zone coverages and get blow-torched in man like it's their jobs like Georgia's does. That alone makes them far better. Georgia's secondary sucks. Bad.
Michigan has a far better secondary. Their secondary does not blow coverages and get blow torched in man like it's their jobs like Georgia's does. That alone makes them far better. Georgia's secondary sucks. Bad.I mean, Georgia has been pretty strong on the back end all season. They aren't exactly getting lit up every game. You can't look at their worst game of the year and then decide that's who they are. If you are doing that, then compare Michigan's defense during the MSU game.
Recruitniks? Yeah, the rankings are fun to look at it- and it's great to have lots of highly rated recruits- but this game is still all about the lines of scrimmage and development. Recruit rankings matter- but only to a certain extent. Not the end all be all, and not how you judge how much talent a team has. You judge that by NFL draft picks and NFL draft mocks. Best player in this game by far wasn't a five star. Hutchinson wasn't even a top 100 recruit.
And you want to talk about recruitniks? Georgia is starting an unranked walk-on QB.
I mean, Georgia has been pretty strong on the back end all season. They aren't exactly getting lit up every game. You can't look at their worst game of the year and then decide that's who they are. If you are doing that, then compare Michigan's defense during the MSU game.Georgia has played absolutely no one all year. Who did they play that could remotely challenge their secondary at all this year? Oh yeah, no one. Don't believe me? Go take a look at their schedule and then tell me if you didn't vomit in your mouth.
how did Michigan lose to Sparty?got screwed on a TD reversal that should've never been reversed- otherwise they're up 37-14 with 19 mins left in the game, and even if they give up the 23 pts they did give up to end that game and only score the 3 more they scored- they win 40-37.
I feel that motivation might be a factor for GeorgiaKirby I think is 0-5 vs Bama now. Bama is 100% in his head. They can play that game 100 times, outcome will still be the same. They do not match-up with Bama. Their defense gets zero pressure unless it blitzes, and their secondary is not very good. Bama will just torch them again.
that beating from Bama may linger
their reward for beating Michigan??? another beating from Bama
how did Michigan lose to Sparty?The refs of course, same way they lose to everyone else.
The refs of course, same way they lose to everyone else.this guy gets it.
The only time UGA made the playoff before they also were joined by Alabama. They beat OU in OT only to lose to Bama in heartbraking fashion. I was in Hawaii watching that one. I'm going to Hawaii Friday, but will be in Orlando for this one (Micghigan game).that was the game that Saban benched Hurts and went with Tua, right?
Michigan was obviously very impressive in beating Ohio State. I didn't see that coming either.
Have you read anything you've ever posted?
QB? Michigan, by a lot.
I'm surprised at the line, I would have guessed even or UM by a bit. I think however we all get overly influenced by the Last Game played.Some of us more than others.
Have you read anything you've ever posted?As limited as Cade is, he's better than Georgia's 5'10 walk-on. He just is.
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JT Daniels is, I think, pretty talented, beset with injuries at bad times, but was a 5 star recruit who started at USC as a freshman.He's more like 6'2 than 6'4, but not that it really matters- and he was not very good at USC, and wound up losing his job there, which is why he transferred. He isn't mobile at all. And he can't beat out a 5'10 walk-on, so like you said, it does not matter.
He's also 6'4" and has a strong arm and has looked quite good at times when healthy. Not very mobile.
But if he doesn't play it doesn't matter.
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| Points Per Game | 39.4 | 37.7 |
| Points Allowed Per Game | 9.5 | 16.1 |
| Total Yards | 442.8 | 451.9 |
| Yards Passing | 247.9 | 228.1 |
| Yards Rushing | 194.9 | 223.8 |
| Yards Allowed | 253.9 | 316.2 |
| Pass Yards Allowed | 172.2 | 194.7 |
| Rush Yards Allowed | 81.7 | 121.5 |
He just is.Do you win many arguments this way?
people not giving Michigan enough credit for their Iowa win. I thought Michigan would win, but not like that. I did not think they were going to blow them out by almost 40 points.I'm learning that UM sucks ass for money, their HC is an idiot, and their starting QB is a bum.....until they're playing a top 5 SEC team.
Iowa is offensively challenged putting it politely, but they have had maybe the best special teams unit in the country and their defense is good- and it's a defense that hadn't given up 40 points in a game in 6+ years. They hadn't given up more than 28 in like 36 games or something like that. Their defense got 42 dropped on them and Michigan ran them out of the stadium. Their special teams had a punt blocked by Michigan and they got absolutely nothing from their return game- which they had been getting gains on all year.
Michigan has excellent special teams. They have a great kicker, excellent punter, excellent return man in Henning and their coverage units are top notch.
Do you win many arguments this way?who said there was an argument? Georgia's 5-foot-10 walk-on QB is- well...not very good. And as limited as Cade McNamara is- he's better than him. There is no argument, it's just a fact.
I'm learning that UM sucks ass for money, their HC is an idiot, and their starting QB is a bum.....until they're playing a top 5 SEC team.Not sure what you mean on that first part, Jim has high-levels of weirdo/idiot savant-it's in his DNA, and McNamara isn't a bum- he's just very limited and average and they need to switch to JJ McCarthy ASAP if they ever want to really contend with the Bama's and Ohio State's. Kid has #1 overall NFL draft pick ability.
Brilliant.
who said there was an argument? Georgia's 5-foot-10 walk-on QB is- well...not very good. And as limited as Cade McNamara is- he's better than him. There is no argument, it's just a fact.I don't think you know what "fact" means.
who said there was an argument? Georgia's 5-foot-10 walk-on QB is- well...not very good. And as limited as Cade McNamara is- he's better than him. There is no argument, it's just a fact.Is this based on metrics? Or an eyeball test? How do the statistics compare?
Is this based on metrics? Or an eyeball test? How do the statistics compare?it's based on: size, physical ability, eyeball test, NFL Draftability. Cade is barely 6'ft but he's at least 6'ft. Bennett is 5'10. Cade's got a better arm- even if it's barely above average. The only thing Bennett does better than Cade is move around. Cade might wind up being a 6th or 7th round pick if he's lucky, Bennett will never sniff an NFL Draft.
I think such games very often reflect the unpredictable TIO margin. UGA had a bad one with Bama. It's no fun because we can't predict it, so "we" rely on stats and impressions and common opponents, if there are any.look I'll admit I'm totally prisoner of the moment. Georgia is a damn good team. Every single team has flaws/holes/weaknesses. There is not one perfect team out there- there's no 2004 USC or 2001 Miami out here. This thing is up for grabs for anyone.
I don't think you have any concept about how important mobility will be when Georgia sends its pass rushers after McNamara. He doesn't stand a chance. You think because Alabama was able to escape that pass rush that it is not very good. Alabama was able to survive only because of Bryce Young and his ability to escape pressure.I think that's the case our humble Michigan correspondant was making with JJ McCarthy
I don't think you have any concept about how important mobility will be when Georgia sends its pass rushers after McNamara. He doesn't stand a chance. You think because Alabama was able to escape that pass rush that it is not very good. Alabama was able to survive only because of Bryce Young and his ability to escape pressure.Georgia rarely if ever got pressure on Young. They literally only got pressure on Young when they blitzed, and when they blitzed the Bama RB Robinson was excellent in pass pro at picking up the blitz and Georgia's back-end got blow-torched. Michigan has a really good OL and a starting RB that is excellent in pass pro.
I think that's the case our humble Michigan correspondant was making with JJ McCarthyJJ isn't just mobile....he's fast! Kid has a howitzer for an arm too AND he can throw with touch & accuracy. His throwing motion/mechanics are literally perfect. I've only seen one QB in my entire time of watching Michigan football with same kind of natural talent as him- Drew Henson. These dudes had/have #1 overall NFL Draft pick talent.
I could see McCarthy getting more time if Michigan struggles to move the ball.he opens up their offense so much more....kid can do anything. they can roll him out and let him throw on the run, he can run that zone-read option and pick up chunks on the ground, and he can threaten every single part of the field with his ability to throw the ball. there are areas on the field Cade just can't hit or won't even attempt to simply because he doesn't have the arm.
JJ isn't just mobile....he's fast! Kid has a howitzer for an arm too AND he can throw with touch & accuracy. His throwing motion/mechanics are literally perfect. I've only seen one QB in my entire time of watching Michigan football with same kind of natural talent as him- Drew Henson. These dudes had/have #1 overall NFL Draft pick talent.I don't ever want to hear about Drew Henson,M fans spew bile that had he not signed with the Yankees they would have won another 2 MNC's and he woulda won the Hypseman and he woulda went on to a Brady/Bradshaw NFL career.
it's based on: size, physical ability, eyeball test, NFL Draftability. Cade is barely 6'ft but he's at least 6'ft. Bennett is 5'10. Cade's got a better arm- even if it's barely above average. The only thing Bennett does better than Cade is move around. Cade might wind up being a 6th or 7th round pick if he's lucky, Bennett will never sniff an NFL Draft.In other words, it's your opinion, not based on hard metrics, just an opinion, not a fact.
I don't doubt that JT Daniels would be a better option than Bennett for a second. Kirby has proven he'll go with the inferior talent at QB- dude picked freaking Jake Fromm over the generational talent that was Justin Fields and it cost him a shot at a national title. They are playing for a title in 2018 & 2019 if he had just handed the reins over to Fields.
I don't ever want to hear about Drew Henson,M fans spew bile that had he not signed with the Yankees they would have won another 2 MNC's and he woulda won the Hypseman and he woulda went on to a Brady/Bradshaw NFL career.Not sure they would've won an MNC or if he would've had an incredible NFL career- but I am sure he would've been the #1 pick in the Draft had he played his senior year. Charlie Casserly who was the GM of the Texans at the time flat out said- if Henson plays his SR year- we're taking him #1. He quit the Michigan team right before his senior season and signed a contract with the Yankees and the Texans still drafted him in the 6th round and traded his rights to the Cowboys like 3-4 years later for a 3rd rd pick.
In other words, it's your opinion, not based on hard metrics, just an opinion, not a fact.nope. it's fact.
A fact, to me, is something quantative, based on metrics, or a natural law. It's a fact for example that McNamara has a better completion percentage than does Bennett. It's also a fact he threw for more yards, 2,470 vs 2325 (Bennett had one fewer game, he didn't play against Clemson). It's a fact Bennett had more TD throws, 24 to 15.I was being a smart ass lol. I know it's just opinion. I don't think either QB is all-that. Both teams have a 5* QB on the bench.
Those are all facts. An OPINION would be one is a better QB than the other, and it is fine to have opinions. I'm not here to defend Bennett. He doesn't need it. I just like to note facts and opinions for what they are.
It is a fact the spread is 7 points or so, and it's my opinion that is too high.
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This fellow is from Napa, a freshman, had a pretty good season.
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UGA was down two starting WRs most of the year, they just got George Pickens back, which should help if he's near 100%. Pickens was a highlight reel in his first two years.
Drew Henson was PHENOMENALLY talented. Never seen a QB at Michigan like him. He only started 10 games, one as a true sophomore (5th year SR Tom Brady started the other 11) and 9 as a true junior (missed the first 3 games that season due to injury)- and he's still the gold standard when it comes to QB's at Michigan. JJ is the closest thing I've seen to him since.So are tons of them that come/go just because he sashayed thru Schembechler Hall doesn't project to the lofty heights you've assigned for him.And if Casserly said that he was blowing bombast out his backside.He wouldn't have touched him w/o a full last year of productivity & film - not with the very 1st pick.You're harkening back thru the dim mists of antiquity,so it will always be better than it actually was
McCarthy has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor. A lot more playing time would signal bad news for the game for Michigan fans.I think he's gotten enough playing time/meaningful snaps in big-games to handle the pressure. Kid just oozes confidence and ability. He repeatedly comes into games cold, gets no extended playing time or easy throws to get into rhythm- just comes off the bench cold and does amazing shit. It's crazy. His arm talent is elite. He's got a strong arm but he knows how to throw with touch and accuracy- he doesn't shoot everything 100mph- he changes ball speed and trajectory as need be- that's super impressive for a kid with arm strength. Most kids with a gun try to throw everything 100mph and miss because of it (see: young Chad Henne). He's super twitchy and athletic. Only knock I see on him right now is his size. He needs to bulk up, needs to add like 15-20 pounds to that frame and he's golden.
didn't know this, but Michigan leads the nation with explosive 50+ yard plays on offense with 17.Yes- I posted after the game that OSU won the time of possession ant turnover battle- and nearly the same total yards.
also: interesting stat from the Ohio State game; even though Michigan ran the ball 66% of the time, their run game was so explosive that Ohio State actually had more time of possession.
People keep talking about "speed".... well Michigan has oodles of it on offense. Never seen them have this many WR's/RB's/TE's that can run.
RB's Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards are legit 4.4 home-run hitters. When is the last time Michigan had RB's that can go the distance? Been a very long time. Both of them are also threats in the passing game out of the backfield. Erick All is the fastest TE I've ever seen play at Michigan- which ain't saying much- they haven't had a lot of fast TE's- but the dude can absolutely scoot for a 6'4, 250+ pound guy.
WR's Roman Wilson & AJ Henning are absolute speed demons. Wilson is one of the fastest guy in the B1G, he ran 4.32 at the NIKE Opening his junior year in HS and Henning was a track star in HS who was running 10.6's in the 100m and probably would've been an OMERRG FIVE STARZZZ recruit if a horrific injury didn't disrupt his high school career. He was still a top 100 recruit with that injury.
And then you have Mike Sainistril, Andrel Anthony, and Cornelius Johnson- who are all capable of making plays. Sainistril has elite short area quickness/burst but lacks the elite top end speed. Andrel Anthony is a true frosh who has flashed big-time potential with his excellent ball skills & run after the catch ability. And Cornelius Johnson is a 6'3, 200+ kid that can run past people.
They don't have that dominant #1 guy- but they have speed all over the place on their offense.
Wonder if Xavier Worthy is kicking himself for bolting for Texas.
I don't doubt that JT Daniels would be a better option than Bennett for a second. Kirby has proven he'll go with the inferior talent at QB- dude picked freaking Jake Fromm over the generational talent that was Justin Fields and it cost him a shot at a national title. They are playing for a title in 2018 & 2019 if he had just handed the reins over to Fields.
I just read this whole thread.Ha! You have to give MDOT some leeway.
So, should UGA just forfeit, or what?
Seems like they don't stand a chance.
I just read this whole thread.if they want to, that'd be great, yeah.
So, should UGA just forfeit, or what?
Seems like they don't stand a chance.
Ha! You have to give MDOT some leeway.
He hasn’t had a ton to get excited about for a while- and now he does for real. He is getting it out of his system. I don’t blame him one bit
Pfft.Yeah, no.
Urban went with....whoever that was....over Burrow, not only a generational talent but arguably the best college QB to ever play the game. He must suck at picking QBs. Like Kirby.
And Justin Fields was an excellent QB, obviously one of the best of his final year. Calling him "generational" is....generous. I'm not sure what about his time at UGA would've made him an obvious pick for Kirby, just like I'm not sure what about Burrow's time at Ohio State would've made him the obvious pick. Getting that wrong in hindsight does not necessarily constitute a poor decision.
Yeah, no.Plus- Burrow seriously hurt his hand in spring ball when he and Haskins were competing for the job.
Fromm was the definition of average. Fields was the 3rd highest rated QB recruit ever. Ever. He was a 5*, the #2 player in the nation- the #1 player that year? Trevor Lawerence. Fields was a generational talent for a program like Kirby Smart's Georgia- which hasn't had a real life QB in Kirby's entire 6 year run there. It's literally one of the only things that has held Kirby from breaking through. He had that guy on his roster- and he said....nah.
Urban went with Dwayne Haskins over Burrow- a guy that was a 5* recruit and wound up being a Top 10 NFL draft pick who had a bigger arm than Burrow- and who in his 1 year as a starter threw for like 5,000 yards and 50 TD passes in a single season. Hard to say Urban made the wrong choice, when Burrow was barely a 4* recruit who hadn't really done anything to separate himself at Ohio State. Burrow's first year at LSU- he was incredibly pedestrian. What happened in Burrow's final year- no one could have ever in a million years foreseen that happening. Burrow just really click with Joe Brady and developed into a superstar. It happens.
Plus- Burrow seriously hurt his hand in spring ball when he and Haskins were competing for the job.yeah forgot about that- this allowed Haskins to gain the advantage and he never relinquished it. No one could foresee Burrow developing like he did his final year at LSU. That was unprecedented.
Plus- Burrow seriously hurt his hand in spring ball when he and Haskins were competing for the job.Just going to mention that,the fact Urbz sat them both behind JTB was a poor choice.To alternate him would have been palatable but after Clemson Urbz was left to face the truth only he renegged on it and handed the ball back to part of the problem
Just going to mention that,the fact Urbz sat them both behind JTB was a poor choice.To alternate him would have been palatable but after Clemson Urbz was left to face the truth only he renegged on it and handed the ball back to part of the problemLOL. Ohio State fans are funny. Go look at his passing + rushing #'s and OSU's W-L record with him as the starter. JT Barrett was really good. Plus he was a lot older/more experienced and an already entrenched starter. JT was in the 2013 class, Burrow was in the 2015 and Haskins the 2016.
Just going to mention that,the fact Urbz sat them both behind JTB was a poor choice.To alternate him would have been palatable but after Clemson Urbz was left to face the truth only he renegged on it and handed the ball back to part of the problemExhibit 1,i23,823,392 that OSU fans shit on JT Barrett despite his having arguably the best career of any B1G QB ever.
Dude I can say the same thing about McNamera/mcCarthy that you rant about.Not any more over the top than any of your kerfluffle.This was said at the time by many.Most of the games JT steam rolled the opposition because of talent imbalance.In '16 PSU figured him out and won,Clemson used the Blue print 2 months later white washing tOSU.They took away EVERYTHING underneath knowing he couldn't go deep except by heaving it .hell had Speight not thrown a pick on the goal line M wins that year also.I saw him that year vs Rutgers receivers stop,reach back,lean forward to catch the ball Burrow came in and hit guys in stride.Friends have season tickets and said the same thing.Barret was decent but should have been alternated with someone who could go over the top and keeped a D honest but he was Urbz petYeah, no.
Exhibit 1,i23,823,392 that OSU fans shit on JT Barrett despite his having arguably the best career of any B1G QB ever.Every time you post you weaken the nation.Coming from a guy who couldn't stand on the beach and hit the sea.What part of ALTERNATE escaped that so called intellect of yours.Urbs rotated QBs in Gainsville thought even you would notice.Perhaps you missed the impressive array of arm punts in the 31-0 pantsing.Good kid wasn't taking them to the next level,ya don't go from good to great because Gator Guy will get her pink pantaloons in a pinch.You haven't been paying attention for...ever
Every time you post you weaken the nation.Coming from a guy who couldn't stand on the beach and hit the sea.What part of ALTERNATE escaped that so called intellect of yours.Urbs rotated QBs in Gainsville thought even you would notice.Perhaps you missed the impressive array of arm punts in the 31-0 pantsing.Good kid wasn't taking them to the next level,ya don't go from good to great because Gator Guy will get her pink pantaloons in a pinch.You haven't been paying attention for...everno need to attack him. And you're way off base. Again, I leave you with the following;
JT Barrett career stats;He couldn't stretch the field,Wait'll you start caterwauling for JJ,oh but that's different.Look 2 number ones sat behind a JT AFTER Clemson- i always said rotate them.But we have seen with our own eyes he was not leading guys who were in full stride.He padded those stats against overmatched squads.Last time I marched out all the lineman,RBs,receivers that went on to play Sundays,not taking the time again.
64% completion, 12,697 yards passing & rushing. 147 Touchdowns (104 passing, 43 rushing).
Ohio State W-L record the 4 years JT played/started: 49-6. Big Ten record: 31-3.
Dude sucks though. Lol.
He couldn't stretch the field,Wait'll you start caterwauling for JJ,oh but that's different.Look 2 number ones sat behind a JT AFTER Clemson- i always said rotate them.But we have seen with our own eyes he was not leading guys who were in full stride.He padded those stats against overmatched squad.Last time I marched out all the lineman,RBs,receivers that went on to play Sundays.He had 5 years BTW because of injurybrother they lost 3 Big Ten games in 4 years with JT. That's insane.
Look who played around him and Some guy named Braxton miller was playing in '14/'15 or Cardale perhaps you remember himBraxton redshirted in 2014 because of injury and he played WR in 2015. Cardale had a great playoff run after JT got hurt- but Cardale wound up getting benched for JT the following year when the offense started sputtering. The offense got better in '15 when JT got back in there.
Well, MrNubbz has done it.Those teams did that.Name one game JT barret was under center where he beat a better team?I.E higher ranked with more Sunday Guys on the roster?the only thing superceding your ignorance is your willingness to express it.BAMA has had an even better run but evidently Saban must be an idiot for making these changes at QB and he didn't have 2 number ones sitting behind a guy who wasn't even drafted.Hey bravo pad the stats vs the bums.Your scandel of the glands is acting up again.Again idgit What did Urbs do with Leak/Tebow - but I/we were wrong for suggesting the same.MSU in '15.Iowa in '17,Clemson in '16.Saban sure as hell wouldn't stand by and watch that
I balk when many people out there seemingly want to chuck out 11 other games in the name of worshipping a head-2-head outcome.
But you've tossed out 40+ games and formulated a slanted, broken opinion of a player based on one game vs Clemson.
You're remarkable.
Those teams did that.Name one game JT barret was under center where he beat a better team?I.E higher ranked with more Sunday Guys on the roster?the only thing superceding your ignorance is your willingness to express it.BAMA has had an even better run but evidently Saban must be an idiot for making these changes at QB and he didn't have 2 number ones sitting behind a guy who wasn't even drafted.Hey bravo pad the stats vs the bums.Your scandel of the glands is acting up again.Again idgit What did Urbs do with Leak/Tebow - but I/we were wrong for suggesting the same.MSU in '15.Iowa in '17,Clemson in '16.Saban sure as hell wouldn't stand by and watch thatJalen Hurts wasn't as good as JT Barrett in college until Hurts' final season at Oklahoma. Hurts didn't take off as a player until he transferred to Oklahoma and got to play in a system geared to his ability and be mentored by Lincoln Riley and face a bunch of sorry Big 12 defenses.
It's sort of embarrassing that people saw what Burrow did in 2019 at LSU and it led them to think "Urban Meyer is dumb."yeah, I agree with you. The fact that Urban recruited him tells you that Urban can spot raw talent. Burrow was not some highly touted recruit or a raw but talented project with insane physical skills. He was a run of the mill, barely 4* QB recruit. Like say, Cade McNamara.
You seem dumbGood one.
Fun Fact: 4.5% of Heisman voters didn't list Burrow 1st, 2nd, or 3rd on their ballots.how is this possible? dude had by far the greatest QB season ever in the history of college football.
Jalen Hurts wasn't as good as JT Barrett in college until Hurts' final season at Oklahoma. Hurts didn't take off as a player until he transferred to Oklahoma and got to play in a system geared to his ability and be mentored by Lincoln Riley and face a bunch of sorry Big 12 defenses.FFS,did you fall off the wagon?Stop spin doctoring to deflect the facts.1st ofF Fooking Saban did it -TWICE 1)Tua was a true freshman replacing Hurts in the middle of a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME,Jan 2018 - and winning.And a season and half earlier Hurts as a true freshman Sept '16 replacing Blake Barnett in the 2nd game going undefeated and was runner up.So in your land of make believe JT can play as a Fr but Hastings/Burrow couldn't?So Saban replaced the starting QBs in back to back seasons with TRUE FRESHMAN QB'S and played all the hardware both times winning it once and a runner up.And your response is Again, Urbs was not going to just replace him for a rs freshman in 2017. My responses were to situations where it was clear JT was underperforming and Urban stood pat.Hell he platooned Tebow/Leak and won a NC.Now we know why Saban is a better coach.He wouldn't have stood by and done nothing.When you're in a hole stop digging.You've been bitching ad nauseum about CTE Harbaugh(your words) not putting in JJ McCarthy who is WHAT?A true freshman you say?My point exactly - go to the bull pen if you have to
And Hurts was a true sophomore who had a solid but not amazing season the year before as a true freshman when he was replaced in the championship game by a true freshman Tua in 2017. Tua had been a very heralded recruit in 2017 class who Saban basically went all-in on recruiting. Saban hand-picked him and said that's my QB of the future. Don't think Haskins or Burrow were ever basically hand-picked by Urbs. Burrow redshirted in 2015 which means he was a redshirt freshman in 2016. JT Barrett was a RS Jr. in 2016 who had put up big numbers in 2014 and also in 2015 when he got the job back. Urban was not going to yank an entrenched upperclassmen who had been putting up big #'s and winning games for a RS Frosh. Burrow in 2016 was nowhere near what he became in 2019- dude went through massive leaps in development in those 3-4 years. Haskins redshirted in 2016, which means he was a redshirt freshman in 2017 when JT Barrett was a 5th year senior who had been an entrenched starter for 3 years prior, put up huge #'s & won lots of games. Again, Urbs was not going to just replace him for a rs freshman in 2017.
It's sort of embarrassing that people saw what Burrow did in 2019 at LSU and it led them to think "Urban Meyer is dumb."Just when I think you've run out of stupid comments you come up with a topper.Urban fingers women not his wife in his own bar with camera's rolling while he's in the act.Urban accuses Brent McMurphy of making things up during BigTen Media days in 2018 that were in fact accurate leading to Zack's Smith's firing and Urban's suspension.Urbs was HC when 34 players got arrested during his Florida tenure and he tutored Aaron Hernandez.Sorry if I'm not as impressed with him as you are infatuated.Saban adjusted to changing QB circumstances,Urban stood pat when he could have at least platooned like he did in Gainesville
Hell yeah, relitigating the Barrett era!Lmfao
The best Orange Bowl thread we could ask for.
Hell yeah, relitigating the Barrett era!Remember BAB under no circumstances should a true freshman play - unless of course he plays for the Gators/Wolverines'
The best Orange Bowl thread we could ask for.
Hell yeah, relitigating the Barrett era!Well, Nubbz is drunk at the keyboard....
The best Orange Bowl thread we could ask for.
yeah, I agree with you. The fact that Urban recruited him tells you that Urban can spot raw talent. Burrow was not some highly touted recruit or a raw but talented project with insane physical skills. He was a run of the mill, barely 4* QB recruit. Like say, Cade McNamara.He threw for 11,400 yds in HS,Gatorade Player of the Year & Mr Football in the State so ya - run of the millish.But MDot let's focus on what we can do to get Cade and Jeem a National Championship because JJ sure as hell isn't going to get the chance 😎
Well, Nubbz is drunk at the keyboard....Answer the questions Claire
Urban fingers women not his wife in his own bar with camera's rolling while he's in the act.Well we were just saying he had an eye for "talent"...
Remember BAB under no circumstances should a true freshman play - unless of course he plays for the Gators/Wolverines'I mean, I think we had this talk a bunch of times, and it usually ends with you dog cussing me. We know where each other stands, I think. (I am a little confused. I thought your take was for Burrow to play in 2016, as a redshirt, or Haskins to play in 2017, as a redshirt. Are we arguing Burrow should've played in 2015?)
It seems as if UGA has almost no chance of winning this one.yeah I don't know what you're reading but i haven't seen anyone saying that. they definitely have a chance. a great chance. to me it's a pick 'em- which is all i've said this entire thread even when i go on one of my stupid rants. Georgia was made out by ESPN/sports media to be the "GRAYTUST DEFUNSE EEVVVVEERRRRR" and a shoe-in to win the national championship and were 8 point favorites over Alabama I believe. Whoops. Georgia is a good team- but nowhere close to that hype.
He threw for 11,400 yds in HS,Gatorade Player of the Year & Mr Football in the State so ya - run of the millish.But MDot let's focus on what we can do to get Cade and Jeem a National Championship because JJ sure as hell isn't going to get the chance 😎You're comparing apples to oranges. Ohio State was literally his only P5 offer. He was a fringe 4* recruit. JJ was a very high profile 5* 'croot with P5 offers from everyone. JT was an entrenched starter who had been putting up huge stats and winning lotta ball games. Cade wasn't the stater last year- Joe Milton was- and Cade barely beat out JJ in fall camp this year.
7 out of 11 of the experts on CBS sports picking Michigan.this actually surprises me. I have seen most people picking Georgia and Georgia are -8 point favorites right now.
I mean, I think we had this talk a bunch of times, and it usually ends with you dog cussing me. We know where each other stands, I think. (I am a little confused. I thought your take was for Burrow to play in 2016, as a redshirt, or Haskins to play in 2017, as a redshirt. Are we arguing Burrow should've played in 2015?)No for '16,and yes we have and that wasn't my intent,if i dog cussed you it's prolly because of the little yapping jackel in the background.Mdot was discussing McNamera and McCarthy I was pointing out similarities with the some times underwelming play in C-Bus.Gator guy couldn't contain himself before plunging into his usual lack of tack barking bombast,popping off, stirring things up.Mdot is adament JJ should get more snaps which he may have some traction. I pointed out the same,but at that time in '16 this was discussed on the old board and Home boards, long before Orange gator guy chimed in with his unsolicited carnival barking.Yes let's move on umolested at this moment from mayhem
this actually surprises me. I have seen most people picking Georgia and Georgia are -8 point favorites right now.Depends on momentum and intensity this could ebb/flo.Dawgs could come out hot and M - flat.If they were to play this week after the recent results,gun to my head I'd take crazy Jeem even if he plays McNamera :D J/K Mdot,thought i'd give you a bone
Depends on momentum and intensity this could ebb/flo.Dawgs could come out hot and M - flat.If they were to play this week after the recent results,gun to my head I'd take crazy Jeem even if he plays McNamera :D J/K Mdot,thought i'd give you a boneI think coaches typically go with upperclassmen, they typically go for the guy with more experience and with the guy who knows the system better, and who they feel like has less risk in turning the ball over. this is pretty par for the course shit.
You're comparing apples to oranges.No I'm not drop it,2 number ones sat behind a guy who was cointinually given the ball many times after dimly lit performances with his lack of a deep game - coaches fault,he should have been relieved.Since one of us went to the Horse Shoe and saw Burrow throw the same damn day as JT,I'll trust my eyes .Why did my two buddies one a coach agree who had the better arm/throws and it wasn't particularly close.Funny the fans agreed too.You blast that ignoring facts then proceed to demand Cade sit because........?Oh that's right you love JJ - can't have it both ways
Yeah, no.
Fromm was the definition of average. Fields was the 3rd highest rated QB recruit ever. Ever. He was a 5*, the #2 player in the nation- the #1 player that year? Trevor Lawerence. Fields was a generational talent for a program like Kirby Smart's Georgia- which hasn't had a real life QB in Kirby's entire 6 year run there. It's literally one of the only things that has held Kirby from breaking through. He had that guy on his roster- and he said....nah.
Urban went with Dwayne Haskins over Burrow- a guy that was a 5* recruit and wound up being a Top 10 NFL draft pick who had a bigger arm than Burrow- and who in his 1 year as a starter threw for like 5,000 yards and 50 TD passes in a single season. Hard to say Urban made the wrong choice, when Burrow was barely a 4* recruit who hadn't really done anything to separate himself at Ohio State. Burrow's first year at LSU- he was incredibly pedestrian. What happened in Burrow's final year- no one could have ever in a million years foreseen that happening. Burrow just really click with Joe Brady and developed into a superstar. It happens.
It was only a matter of time until this became a J.T. Barrett thread😂😂😂
Yes let's move on umolested at this moment from mayhemThis board puts the ham in mayhem
ABC sending it's A team to the Orange Bowl. Herbie & Fowler will be calling the game.For you MDOT, and for SM, and Temp and um1963
If AAA can become ELA, then I suppose there is precedent for HonestBuckeye to become HonestWolverine(https://i.imgur.com/yRlG8P3.png)
For you MDOT, and for SM, and Temp and um1963Wow that's awesome HB, I hope you and your daughter have a great time, enjoy!
I am going to the Orange Bowl, and I will be wearing MICHIGAN gear!!
Actually, Family comes before rivalries. And as you’ll recall my oldest daughter (28 now and about to graduate from CRNA Doctorate program) is already a UofM grad and huge fan. For her Christmas present I am flying her down from Michigan and we can drive to the stadium in about an hour and a half from where I live.
She is so excited! I’m sure others here Will immediately revoke my buckeye manhood and fan card but I’m actually rooting for Michigan. You have to remember I came up through the woody/Bo years where it wasn’t about hate but rather about respect
all I've seen from SEC fans/media.....speed...speed speed....Georgia have speed.....mIcHiGaN hAvE nO sPeEd....Yeah, but that's against slow-ass B1G defenders. Duh!
https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/1468719594416259077?s=20
Yeah, but that's against slow-ass B1G defenders. Duh!exactly lol!
Aidan Hutchinson wins the Lombardi Award.Well i don't like it really but congrats to him
I'd certainly take the points were I betting on the game. I am a bit curious if Smart makes a change at QB, I doubt he will.hell,ya play the market use your investment instincts.Remember the Lines Makers are handicapping the handi cappers
JJ McCarthy donates $10,000 to charity. He made the money from various NIL deals. Not sure how much he's made yet, but if he's giving away $10k, has to be pretty decent amount. Pretty cool move by the young FIVE STARZZZZ freshman.He's the human version of the stores that ask you if you'd like to round up to donate to the Food Bank or whatever.
He's the human version of the stores that ask you if you'd like to round up to donate to the Food Bank or whatever.JJ still 18 years old. I can say for certain I was not donating $10k to charity at 18. Didn't even have that much to donate. And even if I did, I would've been doing stupid shit like buying stereo equipment or jewelry or expensive clothing or just stupid shit in general.
He's the human version of the stores that ask you if you'd like to round up to donate to the Food Bank or whatever.well do ya? I volunteer at a few of them - don't make me come down there
JJ still 18 years old. I can say for certain I was not donating $10k to charity at 18.Is the Race Track condisered a Charity?I mean the nags have strap on the feed bag too
Michigan kicker Jake Moody wins the Lou Groza Award. Kid is maybe the best kicker I've ever seen at Michigan. Well deserved.Remy hamilton or Hayden Epstein?
https://twitter.com/LouGrozaAward/status/1469118014809423874?s=20
Michigan RB Hassan Haskins accepts invite to Senior Bowl, which means; he is off to the NFL.I initially read this as skipping the game to prep for the NFL, and worried we had finally crossed that threshold
I initially read this as skipping the game to prep for the NFL, and worried we had finally crossed that thresholdhope that never happens. can't see it happening with playoff teams to be honest. way too much on the line- who would really just give up on the shot to win a national title?
hope that never happens. can't see it happening with playoff teams to be honest. way too much on the line- who would really just give up on the shot to win a national title?I am paying good money to see that son of a bitch run on New Year’s Eve, he better be there
Senior bowl used to be in middle of Jan, they've moved it back to the end of the first week of Feb, probably because of the playoff.
From what I read on the interwebs, UGA should just punt on 1st down every time, to avoid Jesus reborn, wearing 97 on UM.give it a rest.
give it a rest.MaximumSam will attribute those long TDs to Hutchinson in some way, just you watch.
no way Michigan will beat a team from the mighty SEC. Michigan is way too slow. Not explosive on offense. Can't make explosive plays.
Even though their offense lead the nation in 50+ yard plays, 60+ yard plays, and tied for 1st with 70+ yard plays.'
#TooSlow
MaximumSam will attribute those long TDs to Hutchinson in some way, just you watch.brother you need to give this Hutchinson stuff a rest. He lead the nation in pressure rate which I think was in the 20% - no one else was above 18. He had 14 sacks, 4 of which came in his teams two biggest games of the year- OSU & B1G CCG vs Iowa. Vs OSU he had 15 pressures himself vs the #1 rated OL in the nation and the #1 offense in the nation- by far the most of any player in a single game all year and the most by a player in a single game since PFF started tracking the stat in college football.
Pancakes were an OL stat for a bit when Orlando Pace was killing people. What is it called when the DL pancakes the tackle? The waffle? The french toast?Over easy. 😂
Pancakes were an OL stat for a bit when Orlando Pace was killing people. What is it called when the DL pancakes the tackle? The waffle? The french toast?Ass beating
hail the egg lobbyI thought Ole Miss already settled it?
What is it called when the DL pancakes the tackle? The waffle? The french toast?Meat Tenderizing
HA!!! Now you know - try living next door to them....for life. They can't help themselves it's in their DNA.Like the yuppies in the Scotch ads.Standing by their yacht with their soft white cashmere sweaters tied around their necks.That Buckeyes and Spartans can't resist pulling :111:.And utee 94 tried to enter their enclave,I hope the rest of Michigan moves to Austin
Yes, they said. My LSU flag was ugly colors, they didn't like looking at it, could I please take it down. They were polite, but as far as I could tell, totally serious.
I don't understand having a 2nd-favorite SEC team. But I like when Michigan is good. I like when any helmet is good, except in ND's case, I like when they're good only so that they'll fail on the biggest stage. 2012 was awesome. Their playoff appearances have been awesome. They had great seasons AND we all knew they'd get blown out AND they were.I might actually hate ND more than I hate Ohio State. The Ohio State-Michigan thing is hatred, but also respect. I can honestly say I do not respect ND. Especially since the way they canceled the series on Michigan like the bitches they are, the fact that they refuse to join a conference and constantly get benefit of the doubt and enjoy all kind of media perks no one else does. You can bet your ass if they had scheduled some other G5 instead of Cincy and lost- they'd have gotten in the playoff with 1-loss over Cincy.
I might actually hate ND more than I hate Ohio State. The Ohio State-Michigan thing is hatred, but also respect. I can honestly say I do not respect ND. Especially since the way they canceled the series on Michigan like the bitches they are, the fact that they refuse to join a conference and constantly get benefit of the doubt and enjoy all kind of media perks no one else does. You can bet your ass if they had scheduled some other G5 instead of Cincy and lost- they'd have gotten in the playoff with 1-loss over Cincy.I hate ND football more than IU football, and hate IU basketball more than ND basketball; I actually have no real feelings on ND basketball at all.
The rest of the SEC starting with Alabama however I pretty much hate. Except for Vanderbilt of course. I just feel sorry for them.cool, that's generally how we feel about mich, too. :)
line has moved all the way up to -9 Georgia.Should have held off on my parlay of Bama to cover and UM moneyline
i laugh at Tennessee.don't we all laugh at Tennessee at this point?
Michigan OL wins Joe Moore Award which is awarded to the nations best OL according to the awards voters.
don't we all laugh at Tennessee at this point?yes, even Husker fans
don't we all laugh at Tennessee at this point?Yes, but look at how long I've been laughing at them for:
Except for Vanderbilt of course. I just feel sorry for them.Ya but their graduates feel sorry for eveyone else
https://twitter.com/PFF_Anthony/status/1473649709118070784?s=20What do they mean, if they can they'll make it an interesting game? If they get Georgia to 3rd down consistently, they'll win by three scores
kiss of deathfor real. I'm seriously pissed now man. can't stand that guy.
for real. I'm seriously pissed now man. can't stand that guy.I could see it. I am definitely picking them over Georgia.
49-5 is still a good recordLove that scene. You’ll shoot your eye out kid.
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49-5 is still a good recordNot if the rest of the country is above 95%.....you need something to compare it to.
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Not if the rest of the country is above 95%.....you need something to compare it to.What's your point ? I was referring to the 49-4 Georgia record when
I'm still mystified by the spread on this game. I'd call it even myself. I suppose the bettors think the UGA D will show up, and maybe they will.yeah, I am a little perplexed myself by the line as well.
I keep noting most games that are competitive hinge on turnovers, which are largely unpredictable. UGA had two bad ones with Bama, without those, or with two in return, it would have had a very different score.
As I noted, often beating the spread is a result of turnovers, and vice versa. I think it's an underappreciated factor in outcomes because it's largely unpredictable.Well Michigan hasn't generated that many turnovers on defense, but at the same time they haven't turned it over much on offense. When you're beating the spread 90% of the time- I'd say that's a trend- that Vegas isn't doing a good job evaluating/predicting a team properly- and that it's something probably not dependent upon turnovers- especially when said team isn't great at generating turnovers.
Yeah the line seems a little wide. SP+ has it around Georgia -6. No big Michigan injuries I'm aware of, not sure why it is growing. My guess is people don't Michigan can run the ball on Georgia and can't do much if they aren't running the ball.yeah, who knows what is going on with that line, but I think I like it. This Michigan team is big on the dIsReSpEkT. Paul Finebaum was on ESPN basically mocking Cade McNamara, the line has Georgia as heavy favorites, and all they'll be hearing is that they can't beat Georgia.
I merely note that WHEN a team fails to beat a spread, or beats it handily, it's often because of TOs. That is unrelated to how many they may generate or cause over an entire season.Oh. Ok. Got ya. Having said that, throw all the numbers and stats away. I don't think they can predict anything. I truly believe these are two very closely matched teams. It will be a battle. Team with the ball last might be the one that wins it.
When UGA loses to a dog, it's usually because of a rash of TOs in my experience, like the USCe game a couple years back. And it's largely unpredictable.
I think college spreads aren't as reliable as NFL. I was watching ESPNews one Sunday morning recently and they had the show I was watching (Fantasy Football Now) in the main screen but a sidebar with a whole bunch of data on the upcoming NFL games. Almost every team was within one game of .500 ATS. I doubt you see that in college results NEARLY as often.NFL teams talent-wise are more evenly matched. Plus, kids vs grown men. I think it's probably more common for kids to ride waves of emotion, play up or down to competition, and have personal/school problems bleed into games. Probably not as much for NFL players, who are seasoned vets and well, professionals.
@Mdot, you're a peach.who said it's full of legends and can't lose?
Criticize and bitch about UM for 11.5 games......now the team is full of legends and can't lose.
I love it.
@Mdot, you're a peach.It's the Michigan way my friend, wouldn't have it any other way.
Criticize and bitch about UM for 11.5 games......now the team is full of legends and can't lose.
I love it.
Corum doesn't appear to be VERY fast in the games I've watchedmust not watch that many Michigan games. Corum is faster. By a lot. Corum is a burner. Haskins is not. Haskins is quick 0-60, but he definitely does not have speed.
not much faster than Haskins, if at all
must not watch that many Michigan games. Corum is faster. By a lot. Corum is a burner. Haskins is not. Haskins is quick 0-60, but he definitely does not have speed.4 or 5 games
gotta love this😂😂😂😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NjllblifWI
Dax Hill not traveling with the teamyup. Webb confirmed it. However, he's not been ruled out for the game. Sounds like he may yet make it.
really hope Dax comes back, think he was going to be a chess piece in trying to slow down Bowers from Georgia, who is the best TE in the country and a future 1st rd pick.Seriously, how old are you?
Seriously, how old are you?always asking the most interesting question
always asking the most interesting questionThe real question is where is our sock eating video?
Michigan just might make the Bulldawgs look like the Hawkeyesand the Bulldawgs just might do the same thing to Michigan. could be a very ugly, low scoring defensive battle.
The real question is where is our sock eating video?who is supposed to be eating socks? and why? i missed this.
I haven’t watched Michigan very much at all this year except the MSU game and the OSU game. I did watch UGa quite a bit.Georgia is a very good team, but looking at it, their schedule was tissue paper soft and the one time they faced a team with a real life QB they got shredded. Ohio State would've wrecked them probably just as bad as Bama if not worse, as Ohio State has better WR's, a more talented RB, and has had better OL play than Bama has had all year.
UGa, despite that bad Bama game, is very tough. It’s kinda weird that when you look at the common opponents between UGa and Bama UGa did way better but h2h Bama bested them.
I think UGa takes this one. They’re simply too stacked. I only see this game with either UGa blowing them out or Michigan winning close.
Can’t wait for this one to kick off.
who is supposed to be eating socks? and why? i missed this.MDot said he'd eat a dirty sock if Michigan beat Ohio State. Still waiting on the pay off.
kid is projected to be the #1 overall pick in the upcoming draft. Highly doubt he'd be playing if it was any other bowl game and not a CFP game.his agent would obviously beg him not to play, but I think the kid is passionate and sincere and would play in the Camping World bowl vs Clemson
his agent would obviously beg him not to play, but I think the kid is passionate and sincere and would play in the Camping World bowl vs ClemsonHutchinson is getting ton of buzz for #1 overall pick. ESPN's draft "gurus" Todd McShay and Mel Kiper both have him going #1. PFF has him going #1 in their mock as well. Latest CBS Sports mock has him going #1 as well.
Hutchinson is getting ton of buzz for #1 overall pick. ESPN's draft "gurus" Todd McShay and Mel Kiper both have him going #1. PFF has him going #1 in their mock as well. Latest CBS Sports mock has him going #1 as well.if this is the case, playing against Georgia doesn't make good financial sense
Last years #1 overall pick got a $37 million contract with $25 million fully-guaranteed. You'd have to be an idiot to play in a meaningless bowl game and risk losing that kind of money if you were a serious contender to be the #1 overall pick.
if this is the case, playing against Georgia doesn't make good financial senseyou'd be right, except that game is not a meaningless game. there is a national title at stake here and major legacy implications on the line. if he just goes out there and flat out balls out vs Georgia and Bama like he did vs Ohio State and leads Michigan to it's first national title in 25 years....the guy will probably lock up the #1 overall spot- that won't even be a discussion anymore- and he'll be a living legend in Ann Arbor until the end of his days and live in immortality in Ann Arbor forever. He'd be right up there with Woodson in terms of legacy. Guy would be as legendary as legendary gets. Probably the only guy to ever play at Michigan that would be more iconic is Woodson.
oh, I agree, but is all that worth 10 million dollars???Dax ain't going to be a top 5 pick. He'll probably sneak into the late 1st rd because he'll blow the doors off the combine, he's 6'+ and 190+, and he can play CB, Nickel, or Safety.
it seems reasonable to protect your future for a couple million in the outback bowl
wouldn't it also seem reasonable to protect your 10 million vs Georgia???
asking Dax Hill???
oh, I agree, but is all that worth 10 million dollars????? Dax’s NFL brother he was with over Christmas tested positive for COVID. He didn’t travel because he tested positive as well or was a close contact and Michigan didn’t want to risk spreading it. He’s rumored to be on his way to Miami now after testing negative. He wasn’t skipping a playoff game for draft status if that is what you are suggesting.
it seems reasonable to protect your future for a couple million in the outback bowl
wouldn't it also seem reasonable to protect your 10 million vs Georgia???
asking Dax Hill???
| ORANGE BOWL |
| #2 Michigan Wolverines (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia Bulldogs (12-1) |
| Friday @ 7:30 - Miami, FL - ESPN |
| As recently as Thanksgiving we were discussing where this Georgia defense ranked among the all time greats; and that at least Harbaugh got Michigan to bounce back to pre-2020 levels, which weren't all that satisfying to Michigan fans at the time. My how the tables have turned. Michigan went out and beat Ohio State for the first time in a decade, and Harbaughs first time ever, before clobbering Iowa in the Big Ten title game. Then Georgia got absolutely torched by an Alabama offense that struggled the previous week to score against Auburn. So did we learn something, or are we overreacting to one week? Vegas still likes Georgia by two scores, but I'm not so sure. I don't think the Wolverines can take the top off this defense like Alabama did with Jameson Williams; but I think we might see more Donovan Edwards than we have to date. The true freshman struggled to bust through the dynamic top pairing of Hassan Haskins and Blake Corum, for good reason; but I think he has the potential to be the best pass catching back in the country next year. He showed flashes this year, and I would let him give even more. For both teams, the key is winning first and second downs. You don't want either Cade McNamera or Stetson Bennett in obvious passing downs. The Wolverines dispatched the Buckeyes by running the ball over them on first down, and giving Josh Gattis the entire playbook to use. If Michigan can run the ball as effectively against Georgia on first down, I think they'll win just as easily. I just don't think this Georgia front seven will wilt like Ohio State did. Can Gattis figure out a way to run the ball? Will he use J.J. McCarthy in new ways? He's been primarily a running threat, with a couple of deep shots per game. He clearly has the most upside, but in Michigan's sole loss, when they blew a 16 point second half lead, McCarthy had a pair of fourth quarter fumbles. They say to put your money where your mouth is, but I guess I'm refusing to put my mouth where my money is. I already put in a bet for Michigan to win straight up, but now that I'm typing it, I'm just worried that Georgia is just Michigan, with better players. |
| GEORGIA 28, MICHIGAN 24 |
I'd pick UGA to win.that is fair. UGA was dominant for 12 games. Against what is looking like a suspect schedule now however. The SEC East just might be the worst division in the P5 outside of Georgia a'course. It's literally just Georgia and a bunch of midgets. Purdue is beating Tennessee short-handed right now with their two best players- George Karlaftis and David Bell sitting on the bench. Who is the best team in that division outside UGA? Kentucky? Eh. Have a feeling that Iowa will Iowa them to death and that game will look a lot like Iowa vs pretty much every team they played not named Michigan or Wisconsin.
People are forgetting the team UGA was for the first 12 games of the season. And how Alabama did what it did, Michigan can't/won't recreate. Different style.
So what was the problem?he had to clear COVID protocol
Like OSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Washington, Michigan St, and other northern teams that have made the playoffs, Michigan is going to have to take their lumps and get pantsed by an SEC team a time or three in order to learn what it takes to get over that hump.if I'm not mistaken, Ohio State won the whole damn playoff and slayed the SEC dragon the first time they ever played in the playoff. Maybe Michigan will repeat B1G history on it's first try. :)
Dawgs and Saban back to back? Woo wee! Tough sledding.
better than being pantsed by the UtesYer tellin' me.
if I'm not mistaken, Ohio State won the whole damn playoff and slayed the SEC dragon the first time they ever played in the playoff. Maybe Michigan will repeat B1G history on it's first try. :)OSU took their lumps in the BCS era in 06 and 07, they did slay the dragon but then took some more lumps from Clemson and Bama ever since. It's not the SEC! SEC! SEC! mantra, is just that playing for NCs can have a pretty steep learning curve. Major step up from Conference play.
Michigan very well could lose to Georgia- Georgia is an excellent team, but I don't think it'll be a pansting. My gut tells me this should be a pretty close game. But, don't get it freaking twisted- Georgia is not Alabama and Kirby Smart is not Nick Saban. Most of those teams you just mentioned got pantsed by Alabama- not the other SEC teams. Alabama is Alabama- and they are freaking way out ahead and in front of everyone. Georgia included- as Alabama has pantsed them repeatedly these last couple years and I believe Kirby is now 0-5 or 0-6 vs Saban.
That SEC! SEC! SEC! narrative is played out and just stupid. Alabama kicks the shit out of everyone- and the other SEC teams just ride Bama coattails.
OSU took their lumps in the BCS era in 06 and 07, they did slay the dragon but then took some more lumps from Clemson and Bama ever since. It's not the SEC! SEC! SEC! mantra, is just that playing for NCs can have a pretty steep learning curve. Major step up from Conference play.They took their lumps, in a completely different playoff format, when Tressel, not Meyer, was the coach, and their '14 MNC-winning roster was mostly in middle school?!?! And this helped them nearly a decade later? :smiley_confused1:
Yer tellin' me.you talked to the Ducks???
That's gonna suck.
better than being pantsed by the Utesat least have the decency to wait until it happens,sheesh
- and the other SEC teams just ride Bama coattails.In what way?????????
Michigan is playing in a stadium that is owned by their largest booster- Stephen Ross- billionaire real estate developer who owns the Miami Dolphins and the stadium and land around the stadium Ross has given the University of Michigan around $500 million total for athletics & academics programs & buildings.So Bag Men
Can we all agree we're glad that we don't have to watch Ohio St, Oklahoma, or Clemson today?? This variety (Bama notwithstanding) is really nice.Not all of us.
I hate to say it but I'm pretty sure Michigan is about to win their first consensus NC since Harry Truman was in the White House.karma doesnt like it when you under estimate teams
The SEC looks like hot garbage.
Can we all agree we're glad that we don't have to watch Ohio St, Oklahoma, or Clemson today?? This variety (Bama notwithstanding) is really nice.Yes, I agree.
They took their lumps, in a completely different playoff format, when Tressel, not Meyer, was the coach, and their '14 MNC-winning roster was mostly in middle school?!?! And this helped them nearly a decade later? :smiley_confused1:That's right. They had to upgrade everything from top to bottom in order to get back over that hump.
Outside of LB, DT, and maybe TE, where? Because I am just not seeing it.Maybe you see it differently now? This is a typical post by a person subsumed in "fandom", his team is great, the opponent largely is not, and when the opponent is better, his team is also very good.
RB? Haskins is a work-horse, but Michigan has two RB's that are more talented than anything Georgia has, Corum and Edwards are both blazing fast. Corum or Edwards can hit a home-run and both are excellent pass catchers. I'd take Michigan's backs over Georgia's. Corum & Edwards have way more big-play capability and speed to burn than anyone Georgia has.
QB? Michigan, by a lot.
DE's? Michigan, by a lot.
DT? Georgia, by a lot.
LB's? Georgia, by a good margin- but true frosh Junior Colson is going to be a 1st round pick when it's all said and done and Josh Ross & Mike Barrett are solid, heady vets. Michigan isn't elite here- but they have a pair of very solid vets and really promising freshman in Colson and Hill-Green.
CB/S? Michigan, by a lot.
WR's? Again, Michigan has a lot more speed here. Roman Wilson can absolutely fly- he might be the fastest guy in the Big Ten, AJ Henning is a speed demon (even if he struggles catching), Sainstril is a nice slot-guy more quick than fast but he's capable of making plays. Cornelius Johnson might be the most slept on WR in the nation- kid has big-time talent and is a lot faster than he looks. Andrel Anthony is only a true frosh and like the 6th or 7th option on the team- but he's got a bright, bright future.
TE? Georgia has better TE's- that Bowers is a phenom- but Erick All and Luke Schoonmaker are no joke.
OL? Michigan might have the best OL in the country.
Not seeing all this Georgia "talent". That "talent" is very overrated.
In playoff games, teams in the 24/7 composite recruiting top 10 are 12-2 vs teams outside the top 10. The only 2 losses were OSU, and they were barely outside the top 10.But UM was probably just not motivated since they'd already accomplished their goal of beating OSU. It couldn't have been that they were just out-talented and out-coached.
more perceived talent > less perceived talent
A well-developed 5* > a well-developed 3*
UGA had 19 five-star players, UM had 3.
I was reliably informed that Michigan should win this easily.If this ^ is referring to this:
I missed the last five minutes of the game....can somebody tell me if UM completed their furious comeback it felt like they were about to mount in the final moments?
I hate to say it but I'm pretty sure Michigan is about to win their first consensus NC since Harry Truman was in the White House.Then please allow me to explain my thinking:
The SEC looks like hot garbage.