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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 27, 2021, 11:31:49 PM
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If Bama wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Bama, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner
If UGA wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner, Notre Dame
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This bit is silly and boring.
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If Bama wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Bama, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner
If UGA wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner, Notre Dame
Let's start out with what it should be today, and not get ahead of ourselves, because there are too many permutations.
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
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Let's start out with what it should be today, and not get ahead of ourselves, because there are too many permutations.
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
this. let's let the games play out....season ain't over.
ALSO: no way in the world should Notre Dame be in a playoff over Cincy- when Cincy smacked the shit out of them head to head. That game was not even close. A little bit. Notre Dame sucks.
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If Bama wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Bama, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner
If UGA wins SECCG: Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma St/Baylor winner, Notre Dame
The only scenario that remains where the committee may leave an undefeated Cincy out at this point is Georgia, Bama, Michigan and Oklahoma St. If any of the last three lose Cincy is a lock most likely. Notre Dame won't get the invite over Cincy. Opening the door to Baylor would also bring 2 loss Oregon, Iowa, Pitt and Wake into the conversation if they win their conference. I don't see them opening that can of worms.
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this. let's let the games play out....season ain't over.
ALSO: no way in the world should Notre Dame be in a playoff over Cincy- when Cincy smacked the shit out of them head to head. That game was not even close. A little bit. Notre Dame sucks.
The season will play out. Cincy plays 11-1 Houston in the AAC championship game. Cincy is not a lock to win.
If Cincy does win, so long as ND or Ohio State are ahead of Oklahoma State in this week's rankings, Cincy will survive.
Oklahoma State would have to move ahead of ND and Ohio State this week in the rankings. Oklahoma State would have to annihilate Baylor with style points, for Oklahoma State to reach the playoff. I don't see ND reaching the playoff if Cincy wins its CCG.
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Miami (OH) or Florida St - not close
Murray St or Toledo - not close
Indiana or Purdue - not close
ND or Wisconsin
Temple or Cincinnati - not close
UCF or Virginia Tech
Navy or USC - not close
Tulane or North Carolina - not close
Tulsa or Navy
USF or Virginia - not close
SMU or Georgia Tech - not close
ECU or Stanford
Have fun holding h2h above 11 other data points. ND's season is objectively better than Cincinnati's. Unless you're a caveman.
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ND has definitely played a better schedule than UC but they also definitely lost to them convincingly at home.
In cases where the records are similar h2h usually plays a pretty big part in separating the two teams. It has for the committee this year with UC and ND. I don’t expect ND to suddenly jump them because they beat a bad Stanford team.
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Miami (OH) or Florida St - not close
Murray St or Toledo - not close
Indiana or Purdue - not close
ND or Wisconsin
Temple or Cincinnati - not close
UCF or Virginia Tech
Navy or USC - not close
Tulane or North Carolina - not close
Tulsa or Navy
USF or Virginia - not close
SMU or Georgia Tech - not close
ECU or Stanford
Have fun holding h2h above 11 other data points. ND's season is objectively better than Cincinnati's. Unless you're a caveman.
I like the concession that the actual results of the games are besides the point.
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The real question. If Cincy, Michigan, Alabama, and Okie State lose...who are the top four?
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Mayhem is the winner. I presume they would all be out and we'd be talking about Baylor and Ole Miss and Michigan State?
Geesh, that would be fun.
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ND has definitely played a better schedule than UC but they also definitely lost to them convincingly at home.
YUP Ohio State defeated every common opponent they had with UM by substantionally more points.I didn't agree with tOSU being ranked above Oregon for much of the year unless the roster got clipped by injuries,grades,rules violations,etc;
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The real question. If Cincy, Michigan, Alabama, and Okie State lose...who are the top four?
US
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I can't believe anyone took Fro's obvious troll bait.
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Miami (OH) or Florida St - not close
Murray St or Toledo - not close
Indiana or Purdue - not close
ND or Wisconsin
Temple or Cincinnati - not close
UCF or Virginia Tech
Navy or USC - not close
Tulane or North Carolina - not close
Tulsa or Navy
USF or Virginia - not close
SMU or Georgia Tech - not close
ECU or Stanford
Have fun holding h2h above 11 other data points. ND's season is objectively better than Cincinnati's. Unless you're a caveman.
What I love about this argument is that no matter how you slice it, it should invalidate any claim ND has on getting into the playoff.
The argument against Cincinnati is that they're just some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table and we don't know how good they are since they played a bad schedule, so we should just assume they're not very good.
If that's the case, then Notre Dame shouldn't get anywhere near the playoff after losing to some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table. If we're going to keep OSU out due to a loss to Purdue on the road, shouldn't we keep Notre Dame out of the playoff due to losing by two scores to shithole Cincinnati at home?
The alternative is that Cincinnati is a pretty good team, which would make ND's loss to Cincinnati forgivable in the CFP rankings.... But if Cincinnati is a pretty good team, than being undefeated and having H2H two-score victory over Notre Dame in South Bend should keep Cincinnati ahead of them.
Either way you want to go on Cincinnati, the loss damns Notre Dame.
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What I love about this argument is that no matter how you slice it, it should invalidate any claim ND has on getting into the playoff.
The argument against Cincinnati is that they're just some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table and we don't know how good they are since they played a bad schedule, so we should just assume they're not very good.
If that's the case, then Notre Dame shouldn't get anywhere near the playoff after losing to some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table. If we're going to keep OSU out due to a loss to Purdue on the road, shouldn't we keep Notre Dame out of the playoff due to losing by two scores to shithole Cincinnati at home?
The alternative is that Cincinnati is a pretty good team, which would make ND's loss to Cincinnati forgivable in the CFP rankings.... But if Cincinnati is a pretty good team, than being undefeated and having H2H two-score victory over Notre Dame in South Bend should keep Cincinnati ahead of them.
Either way you want to go on Cincinnati, the loss damns Notre Dame.
Totally agree.
Which is why it will be so soul-suckingly awful when the committee goes ahead and puts Notre Dame in, anyway... ;)
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Totally agree.
Which is why it will be so soul-suckingly awful when the committee goes ahead and puts Notre Dame in, anyway... ;)
Lol. They won’t.
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The season will play out. Cincy plays 11-1 Houston in the AAC championship game. Cincy is not a lock to win.
If Cincy does win, so long as ND or Ohio State are ahead of Oklahoma State in this week's rankings, Cincy will survive.
Oklahoma State would have to move ahead of ND and Ohio State this week in the rankings. Oklahoma State would have to annihilate Baylor with style points, for Oklahoma State to reach the playoff. I don't see ND reaching the playoff if Cincy wins its CCG.
the committee has shown, this coming week's ranking and the final ranking are not related
when it comes to the final ranking they throw out all previous rankings and do what they feel is best for the playoff
probably the way it should be
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If we get mayhem, Notre Dame would get in. Then I don't know what. Cincy, Bama, Michigan all lose and would seem to be out.
Ohio State? Baylor? Oregon? Utah? Wake Forest? That would be fascinating.
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2 loss teams have no say
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those of us w/o a dog in the fight, most times root for havoc and mayhem this coming weekend
we got a taste last weekend with Michigan beating OSU and OSU beating Oklahoma
I might root for my home state Hawkeyes although it would make for an even longer off-season
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2 loss teams have no say
Probably, but in the unlikely event that the top three lose, what then? What one loss teams would remain aside from Cincy and ND?
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2 loss teams have no say
so, Georgia, Cincy, ND, and San Diego St/Houston?
if everything goes to hell
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Cincy needs to root for Georgia. If Bama wins, the SEC takes two spots.
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the entire college football world is rooting for Georgia
cept for a few thousand Bamers
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I too will be rooting for UGA.
And mayhem, at least some of it.
Maybe Houston can beat Cincy and put that to rest and Baylor beats oSu and Michigan wins to claim #2. I'd guess that puts ND in the playoff.
And ... Ohio State????
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Cincy needs to root for Georgia. If Bama wins, the SEC takes two spots.
unfortunately, I think you're right. let's hope this isn't the case.
from what I've seen of Bama, they have serious issues on the offensive line. Bryce Young being a wizard has masked a lot of their OL issues. They are about to face the best front 7 in college football. Not sure they'll be able to block UGA's front.
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I too will be rooting for UGA.
And mayhem, at least some of it.
Maybe Houston can beat Cincy and put that to rest and Baylor beats oSu and Michigan wins to claim #2. I'd guess that puts ND in the playoff.
And ... Ohio State????
and Ohio st has 2 loss, no say
and if the Hawkeyes win, Michigan and Iowa have 2 losses, no say
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I too will be rooting for UGA.
And mayhem, at least some of it.
Maybe Houston can beat Cincy and put that to rest and Baylor beats oSu and Michigan wins to claim #2. I'd guess that puts ND in the playoff.
And ... Ohio State????
Houston finishes with one loss and is IN
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Depends who the lost to
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one loss teams are in, 2 loss teams have no say
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Houston lost to TTU, and beat nobody of any relevance. They won't be in.
They are currently at #24 in the CFP. They won't possibly jump to %4, IMHO.
We'd ne looking at some two loss teams. I think Ohio State gets in.
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2 loss LSU got in when they only took two teams.
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Houston lost to TTU, and beat nobody of any relevance. They won't be in.
They are currently at #24 in the CFP. They won't possibly jump to %4, IMHO.
We'd ne looking at some two loss teams. I think Ohio State gets in.
but, houston would have a win over Cincy and only one loss
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In my scenario, I think we'd have UGA Michigan ND Ohio State.
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and what if Michigan loses to Iowa?
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and what if Michigan loses to Iowa?
I will drink myself into oblivion and break my tv/phone/ipad- whatever is closest to me.
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and what if Michigan loses to Iowa?
They cancel the playoff and crown UGA.
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In my scenario, I think we'd have UGA Michigan ND Ohio State.
they'd put a 2-loss Bama in before a 2-loss Ohio State, imo.
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I doubt it, really, a 11-2 Alabama has a lot of close wins, Ohio State has looked better.
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and the Big Ten does have some pull with the Committee
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I doubt it, really, a 11-2 Alabama has a lot of close wins, Ohio State has looked better.
Neither and most certainly not the last game
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So IF...
- Georgia beats 1 loss Bama
- Iowa upsets 1 loss Michigan
- Baylor upsets 1 loss OSU2
- Utah "upsets" 2 loss Oregon
- Wake Forest defeats 2 loss Pitt
- Houston upsets undefeated Cincinnati
- Utah State upsets 1 loss San Diego State
- WKU upsets 1 loss UTSA
- Kent beats Northern Illinois
- Appalachian State upsets 1 loss Louisiana
- Cal beats USC
Then what happens?
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and what if Michigan loses to Iowa?
I will drink myself into oblivion
(https://i.imgur.com/lriew22.png)
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one loss teams are in, 2 loss teams have no say
Then just schedule the 4 worst OOC teams you can find.
This is what you're saying here.
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So IF...
- Georgia beats 1 loss Bama
- Iowa upsets 1 loss Michigan
- Baylor upsets 1 loss OSU2
- Utah "upsets" 2 loss Oregon
- Wake Forest defeats 2 loss Pitt
- Houston upsets 1 loss Cincinnati
- Utah State upsets 1 loss San Diego State
- WKU upsets 1 loss UTSA
- Kent beats Northern Illinois
- Appalachian State upsets 1 loss Louisiana
- Cal beats USC
Then what happens?
This is easy - if everyone at the top loses, then nothing changes.
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So IF...
- Georgia beats 1 loss Bama
- Iowa upsets 1 loss Michigan
- Baylor upsets 1 loss OSU2
- Utah "upsets" 2 loss Oregon
- Wake Forest defeats 2 loss Pitt
- Houston upsets 1 loss Cincinnati
- Utah State upsets 1 loss San Diego State
- WKU upsets 1 loss UTSA
- Kent beats Northern Illinois
- Appalachian State upsets 1 loss Louisiana
- Cal beats USC
Then what happens?
Even if that doomsday mayhem scenario happened, OSU would still be out.
Georgia would be the 1, then Notre Dame at 2. After that Bama and Michigan would be the first 2-loss teams off of the table. This scenario really only needs 1-4 and 6 in order to come to fruition. This would be the bracket no matter what happened in the other games.
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So IF...
- Georgia beats 1 loss Bama
- Iowa upsets 1 loss Michigan
- Baylor upsets 1 loss OSU2
- Utah "upsets" 2 loss Oregon
- Wake Forest defeats 2 loss Pitt
- Houston upsets 1 loss Cincinnati
- Utah State upsets 1 loss San Diego State
- WKU upsets 1 loss UTSA
- Kent beats Northern Illinois
- Appalachian State upsets 1 loss Louisiana
- Cal beats USC
Then what happens?
Georgia, Cincy, Notre Dame, the best 2 loss conference champ
The Iowa Hawkeyes!!!
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Then just schedule the 4 worst OOC teams you can find.
This is what you're saying here.
I was mocking Nubbz
he stated 2 loss teams have no say
he's not wrong and the committee might just go by number of losses
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Georgia, Cincy, Notre Dame, the best 2 loss conference champ
The Iowa Hawkeyes!!!
You have Cincy in as a 1 loss champ over the Iowa Hawkeyes?
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Cincinnati might be the champions of life, but they're not champions of much else.
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They already won their division, so they are at least the champion of that.
Still have a shot at a conference title, and possibly a National Title as well.
They could also finish as the top team in their own state. Some might say they've already clinched it, but it is too early to call in my opinion. Still a lot of FB to be played.
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There also logically could be a LITTLE mayhem, I think it starts with UGA winning to knock Bama out. Then Baylor and Houston win, not much of a stretch really. Michigan wins and gets the 2 seed and I think ND moves to 3. Even in this scenario #4 is unclear. OSU is at 7 in the two polls out. Baylor is at 9.
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There's no scenario that gets OSU in. Unless you are talking about OSU2. If so then you got their poll positions mixed up.
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2018 recruiting rankings:
1 - Georgia
2 - Ohio St
3 - Texas
4 - USC
So no, no one is suggesting we go by recruiting rankings or that the games don't count. But some of you are taking strength of schedule and completely chucking it out the window and I find it bizarre.
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Texas and USC aren't even bowl eligible.
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btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th.
Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference? No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting: Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.
Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan. Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7. Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it. Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs.
I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much. Could it be their schedule?
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Everyone here is aware they played a soft schedule and basically a one game slate. Everyone.
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btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th.
Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference? No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting: Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.
Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan. Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7. Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it. Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs.
I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much. Could it be their schedule?
BUT THEIR RECRUITING RANKING!!!!
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You have Cincy in as a 1 loss champ over the Iowa Hawkeyes?
I have undefeated Georgia and undefeated Cincy and one loss ND in over the 2 loss Big Ten champ Hawkeyes, but Iowa gets the 4th slot if mayhem causes all other one loss teams to lose.
Hawks are in over a 2 loss ACC champ, a 2 loss Big 12 champ Baylor Bears, 2 loss PAC champ Ducks, 2 loss independent BYU, and 2 loss non-SEC champ Bama
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So what?
Obviously the recruiting rankings are meaningless is Texas and USC are in the top 5.
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btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th.
perhaps we should look at how many former Bearcats are in the NFL currently?
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So what?
Obviously the recruiting rankings are meaningless is Texas and USC are in the top 5.
and the Buckeyes, and Bama, and Clemson
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It helps perception, I think, that UC played UGA down to the wire last year. I know one can make excused and claim UGA was missing players and undermotivated, but even so, it was a game UC almost won. They did beat ND. The perception any "good team" would blow them away is not entirely in accord with known facts. They may be less talented, and better coached, I don't know. I personally would agree with the committee on them.
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and the Buckeyes, and Bama, and Clemson
Yeah, the top 5 produced on bubble team in Bama and the other four are on the outside looking in.
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Cincy may be undefeated in the ACC this season
or the PAC
one loss in either conference wouldn't be a great stretch, I don't think
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College Football Playoff: Two-loss Ohio State over undefeated Cincinnati, says Todd McShay (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/College-Football-Playoff-Two-loss-Ohio-State-over-undefeated-Cincinnati-says-Todd-McShay-176441975/?fbclid=IwAR3epgJVhnxXtZL_Y1KGAO25LN4YTXsiMfuF-q3sNMl4LpoUas1YYzPtXck)
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btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th.
Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference? No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting: Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.
Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan. Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7. Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it. Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs.
I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much. Could it be their schedule?
Oh man, this argument is full of holes, but I digress. Look, we all know UC’s SOS is the elephant in the room in regards to their playoff hopes. There is no easy answer or formula to follow. I’d venture to say that every single P5 school in the country played a better schedule than UC. Typically, the bigger the difference in record the more SOS seems to lose its relevance. UC-Oklahoma St is an interesting discussion about where to rank them and how much SOS should come into play. UC-Maryland isn’t as interesting despite the fact Maryland also played a tougher schedule.
UC has something very few G5 teams ever have. They have a win over another playoff contender and their blood is as blue as you can get in college football. We’ll see how it shakes out.
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Give all the 2-loss big boys Cincinnati's schedule and tell me they're not undefeated, too. Full focus on ND for that 1 week and coast the rest of the season.
It's not complicated.
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fine, I'll buy it, but....
that doesn't mean Cincy sucks and isn't worthy
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Most P5 teams wouldn't get past Notre Dame with UC's schedule. Big Ten and SEC might have two or three teams that could beat the domes. Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC might have one team between them that could beat the Domers more than once in ten tries.
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C'mon it's not the 20s/30s there are at least two teams in every conference that could take the Domers out back.But couldn't handle their class load
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Most P5 teams isn't the issue
the P5 teams that might be worthy of the 4 team playoff
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If you are going to say that there are at least two teams in each the ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 that could woodshed the domers then you need to list them, because I can't come up with any.
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I'm guessing Oregon and Utah, and Pitt and Clemson "could" put a whoopin on the Domers
not sayin they would, but it's very possible
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If you are going to say that there are at least two teams in each the ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 that could woodshed the domers then you need to list them, because I can't come up with any.
Well not the ACC which sort of proves the point Look at who they played this year,I think the Bearcats could run that gamut
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the ACC is where the Domers belong
basketball, Lacrosse and football
keep them out of the playoff this season to help them make that decision
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The real question. If Cincy, Michigan, Alabama, and Okie State lose...who ...?
Those yearning for an 8-team playoff become the winners.
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I'm guessing Oregon and Utah, and Pitt and Clemson "could" put a whoopin on the Domers
not sayin they would, but it's very possible
So between the three conferences there are three teams that could maybe beat the Domers?
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6 or 7, maybe 8
the Domers haven't proven to be good
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Those yearning for an 8-team playoff become the winners.
Not really the Sunday bound guys have drawn a line in the sand.They gain nothing by prolonging the season while networks and Athletic departments line their pockets so when they sit you won't be getting the best squads.Keep it at 4
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So between the three conferences there are three teams that could maybe beat the Domers?
Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers,more than that.Oregon,Utah,OU,Ok St.maybe Baylor
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Those yearning for an 8-team playoff become the winners.
perhaps, but putting in the top 8, being (4) 2 loss helmets at 5, 6, 7, and 8 only maqkes it more likely the Big 10 or the SEC win the trophy
this season
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Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers,more than that.Oregon,Utah,OU,Ok St.maybe Baylor
Sure, maybe. That’s why we have to balance what we think with what we know. I think there are teams that could go undefeated with UC’s schedule, including the big one in South Bend. But I know UC did it. I don’t have to wonder.
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6 or 7, maybe 8
the Domers haven't proven to be good
You've already given three, each of which was rather questionable.
Who are the other five?
...bearing in mind the Domers swept their P5 competition this year.
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Give all the 2-loss big boys Cincinnati's schedule and tell me they're not undefeated, too. Full focus on ND for that 1 week and coast the rest of the season.
It's not complicated.
We'll send them to the imaginary playoff.
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Most P5 teams wouldn't get past Notre Dame with UC's schedule. Big Ten and SEC might have two or three teams that could beat the domes. Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC might have one team between them that could beat the Domers more than once in ten tries.
FSU took ND to overtime, VT and Toledo lost to them by a field goal. Are we speaking of the same team? ND needs Alabama and Oklahoma St or Michigan to lose to enter the discussion and they really shouldn't get in over an undefeated or one loss Cincy tbh. If the door opens up for ND this will be a shitty playoff.
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You've already given three, each of which was rather questionable.
Who are the other five?
...bearing in mind the Domers swept their P5 competition this year.
michigan, Iowa and Ohio St out of the Big Ten
Oklahoma, Okie st and Baylor out of the 12
a handful of teams out of the SEC SEC SEC
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We'll send them to the imaginary playoff.
the bowl games
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FSU took ND to overtime, VT and Toledo lost to them by a field goal. Are we speaking of the same team? ND needs Alabama and Oklahoma St or Michigan to lose to enter the discussion and they really shouldn't get in over an undefeated or one loss Cincy tbh. If the door opens up for ND this will be a shitty playoff.
Their September performances were a little up and down, but then they caught fire down the stretch.
Not really all that abnormal of a formula for a title contender. 2014 OSU, for example.
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ND sucks worse than Cincy, with similar SOS
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ND sucks worse than Cincy, with similar SOS
No argument there.
Both could win any P5 division except the B1G East, SEC East or SEC West.
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Their September performances were a little up and down, but then they caught fire down the stretch.
Not really all that abnormal of a formula for a title contender. 2014 OSU, for example.
Ok you had me going until you said title contender lol well played. The problem is ND's schedule is almost as anemic as Cincy's. I mean they showed lackluster ACC who's the boss I suppose and mixed in Navy and a few PAC 10 bottom feeders to boot.
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agreed, and they could also finish 2nd in any P5 division, including the PAC south
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Ok you had me going until you said title contender lol well played. The problem is ND's schedule is almost as anemic as Cincy's. I mean they showed lackluster ACC who's the boss I suppose and mixed in Navy and a few PAC 10 bottom feeders to boot.
How many teams in the Big Ten could beat Wisconsin by 4 TDs?
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not nearly as many as could beat ND by 4TDs
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ND's schedule was weak. But to lump it in with Cincinnati's is just incorrect.
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agreed, and they could also finish 2nd in any P5 division, including the PAC south
Agreed. Both teams would be in the running for the divisional title, and neither would finish outside of the top 2.
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So, imagine Michigan and UGA win but OkSU and Cincinnati lose. Is ND in the playoff? 100%?
And who else?
1. UGA
2. Michigan
3. Notre Dame?
4. ....... Ohio State? Baylor?
This scenario is fairly plausible.
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ND's schedule was weak. But to lump it in with Cincinnati's is just incorrect.
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suck and suck worse, not a bi\g deal when talking about the top 4
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not nearly as many as could beat ND by 4TDs
You have to back it up with a list.
Big Ten teams that would beat Wisconsin by 4 TD, bearing in mind that Michigan and Iowa didn't:
Big Ten teams that could beat Notre Dame by 4 TDs, bearing in mind that Purdue and Wisconsin didn't:
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So, imagine Michigan and UGA win but OkSU and Cincinnati lose. Is ND in the playoff? 100%?
And who else?
1. UGA
2. Michigan
3. Notre Dame?
4. ....... Ohio State? Baylor?
This scenario is fairly plausible.
Ohio St has the better resume, Baylor is a P5 conference champ, Houston would be 12-1 with a win over Cincy, Bama is SEC SEC SEC.
ND is in
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In the end, the 4 seed is irrelevant. They'll just be emasculated in front of all the eyeballs.
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In the end, the 4 seed is irrelevant. They'll just be emasculated in front of all the eyeballs.
Has that happened every time in history?
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How many teams in the Big Ten could beat Wisconsin by 4 TDs?
How many Big Ten teams could beat FSU without needing OT or Toledo and VT by more than a field goal?
Just give me Georgia, Alabama, UM and Oklahoma St at this point so we can avoid a playoff of Georgia against three 4 seeds.
I'm against Cincy making the playoffs, but I'm more against Notre Dame making it instead of Cincy.
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You have to back it up with a list.
Big Ten teams that would beat Wisconsin by 4 TD, bearing in mind that Michigan and Iowa didn't:
Big Ten teams that could beat Notre Dame by 4 TDs, bearing in mind that Purdue and Wisconsin didn't:
Could Notre Dame beat the Badgers by 4 TDs next Saturday afternoon?
beating the badgers by 4 TDs???
Ohio St is the easy pic. Michigan beat the Badgers by 21, could it have been 28, probably. Minnesooota won by 10, could it have been 28, some Gophers think so. If Nebraska played a clean game????, not likely, but if could happen.
Beating the Irish by 4 TDs???
see above list, perhaps even Michigan State
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Has that happened every time in history?
Just the times the 4 seed was a joke.
You know good and well your dogs are THE team this year. And if they play Cincinnati, the Bearcats aren't scoring double digits.
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so Georgia gets a bye with Cincy
greatest argument to NOT expand the playoff
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Could Notre Dame beat the Badgers by 4 TDs next Saturday afternoon?
beating the badgers by 4 TDs???
Ohio St is the easy pic. Michigan beat the Badgers by 21, could it have been 28, probably. Minnesooota won by 10, could it have been 28, some Gophers think so. If Nebraska played a clean game????, not likely, but if could happen.
Beating the Irish by 4 TDs???
see above list, perhaps even Michigan State
Wisconsin was beating ND 13-10 in the fourth quarter before executing a bed shitting for the record books that somehow is now being interpreted as a start to finish beat down. Wisconsin out gained ND in total yardage and held them to 3 yards rushing for the entire game. Wisconsin started the season with a horrible turnover ratio including 5 turnovers in this game alone with two pick sixes in final minutes of the game.
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yup, the Badgers have a good chance of beating the Irish by 28 next saturday
they won't get the chance, but the Badgers are pissed about the lose to the Goooophers
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Look at the AP poll. Aside from Cincinnati, the top 13 teams are strictly ordered by number of losses.
It's embarrassing. They're 4 year olds.
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And aside from Utah, you can go down to 23 before you see any deviation from ranking teams by losses, WITH G5 teams having a 1-loss 'penalty.'
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It's just so two-dimensional.
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Look at the AP poll. Aside from Cincinnati, the top 13 teams are strictly ordered by number of losses.
It's embarrassing. They're 4 year olds.
so the AP voters agree with you, Cincy hasn't proven themselves worthy
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Alabama is an underdog for the first time since 2015.
Amazing, right?
But wait a second. Alabama has lost 6 times since that game. Maybe Saban isn't much of a HC. 6 losses as a favorite is embarrassing. :57:
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So, imagine Michigan and UGA win but OkSU and Cincinnati lose. Is ND in the playoff? 100%?
And who else?
1. UGA
2. Michigan
3. Notre Dame?
4. ....... Ohio State? Baylor?
This scenario is fairly plausible.
Georgia, Michigan, Notre Dame and Bama.
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Wisconsin was beating ND 13-10 in the fourth quarter before executing a bed shitting for the record books that somehow is now being interpreted as a start to finish beat down. Wisconsin out gained ND in total yardage and held them to 3 yards rushing for the entire game. Wisconsin started the season with a horrible turnover ratio including 5 turnovers in this game alone with two pick sixes in final minutes of the game.
"If you take away all of Notre Dame's TDs on offense, defense and special teams, Wisconsin would have won that game."
-Dave Wannstedt, probably.
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Georgia, Michigan, Notre Dame and Bama.
I'd rather have Cincy or the Big 12 champ than a 2 loss Bama
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Has that happened every time in history?
nope, pretty sure the year the Buckeyes won with a 3rd string QB, they were the 4th seed
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I'd rather have Cincy or the Big 12 champ than a 2 loss Bama
Cincinnati loses in Cincydawg's hypothetical.
No way Cincy gets in over Bama, after a loss in the AAC CCG.
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yer right, Cincy is out, so is Bama unless all the one loss teams lose
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"If you take away all of Notre Dame's TDs on offense, defense and special teams, Wisconsin would have won that game."
-Dave Wannstedt, probably.
There's no offense to take away, ND rushed for 3 yards...less than 1/3 of a 1st down the entire game. Of all the hills one could die on you choose ND is a 2021 title contender lol.
I'm not even arguing that Wisconsin should've won. The four touchdown difference was a deviation that is somehow being sold as the standard to judge other teams.
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There's no offense to take away, ND rushed for 3 yards...less than 1/3 of a 1st down the entire game. Of all the hills one could die on you choose ND is a 2021 title contender lol.
I'm not even arguing that Wisconsin should've won. The four touchdown difference was a deviation that is somehow being sold as the standard to judge other teams.
No, the hill I choose to die on is that most P5 teams don't run the table with Cincinnati's schedule because they wouldn't get past Notre Dame.
The ones making a leap are those who adamantly insist that a one loss Notre Dame is a bad team.
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an undefeated Cincy Team might be a top 4 team, their schedule just didn't give them a chance to prove it
a one loss (to an undefeated Cincy) Notre Dame might very well be a top 4 team, their schedule just didn't give them a chance to prove it
Georgia's schedule hasn't proven much either, but they play in the SEC SEC SEC
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UGA's schedule is irrelevant if they get to 13-0. Power 5 undefeated conference champion, always in (unless there are five of them).
If Bama loses, they are out, I'm pretty confident.
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an undefeated Cincy Team might be a top 4 team, their schedule just didn't give them a chance to prove it
a one loss (to an undefeated Cincy) Notre Dame might very well be a top 4 team, their schedule just didn't give them a chance to prove it
Georgia's schedule hasn't proven much either, but they play in the SEC SEC SEC
We'll get a better idea of what Georgia has this weekend. Cincy's AD chose that schedule. Notre Dame could possibly be playing in a conference championship this weekend like all the other contenders but they chose to maintain their independence to keep their exclusive TV contract. So while they're sitting at home watching the games everyone has to just assume they would have won a conference championship if they played one because their helmet is gold, their players touched that play like a champion sign and Rudy made a sweet sack in garbage time.
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UGA's schedule is irrelevant if they get to 13-0. Power 5 undefeated conference champion, always in (unless there are five of them).
If Bama loses, they are out, I'm pretty confident.
That's ridiculous. They would clearly be the first 2-loss team selected.
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We'll get a better idea of what Georgia has this weekend. Cincy's AD chose that schedule. Notre Dame could possibly be playing in a conference championship this weekend like all the other contenders but they chose to maintain their independence to keep their exclusive TV contract. So while they're sitting at home watching the games everyone has to just assume they would have won a conference championship if they played one because their helmet is gold, their players touched that play like a champion sign and Rudy made a sweet sack in garbage time.
I am like you. I hope Notre Dame is disappointed and blames it on their failure to join a conference. But, instead their administrator will reason it out this way, "Lincoln Riley, who couldn't win the Big 12, is coming to USC and will improve our SOS."
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Among potential 2 loss teams, I think Ohio State >> Alabama.
It might help if Michigan loses to Iowa, or not, not sure.
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That's ridiculous. They would clearly be the first 2-loss team selected.
Ohio state's resume is much better, especially if Michigan beats Iowa
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What is Alabama's most impressive win? OSU has one with MSU. OK, they have two losses, both to higher ranked teams.
Miami? They lost to A&M which is akin to Oregon and UGA (ostensibly) akin to UM. But do they have an impressive win like OSU>MSU?
The played Tenn and UF cross divisions and edged the latter. They did beat Ole Miss, that would probably be it.
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Among potential 2 loss teams, I think Ohio State >> Alabama.
It might help if Michigan loses to Iowa, or not, not sure.
I wish that the Playoff committee had more people that think like you, but they don't. Bama will be the first 2-loss team taken, especially with the extra game. They'd be 11-2 instead of 10-2 like OSU.
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Ohio state's resume is much better, especially if Michigan beats Iowa
How do you figure?
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check the schedules
better wins and better losses
we all know Nebraska is the greatest 3 win team in the history of football
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check the schedules
better wins and better losses
we all know Nebraska is the greatest 3 win team in the history of football
I see that Bama played a bunch of SEC teams, while OSU didn't.
First rodeo?
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The SEC West was hardly a gauntlet this season. Ole Miss had a great year, for Ole Miss. Bama got them at home. Arky had a nice year, for Arky, Bama left them hang around at home. The Auburn game was in effect a tie, at Auburn, who was 6-6 (or 6-5-1).
Ohio State had impressed me up until that last game.
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Tell you what. If Bama loses and gets left out of the playoffs in favor of another 2-loss team, OSU or otherwise, I'll eat my hat.
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Tell you what. If Bama loses and gets left out of the playoffs in favor of another 2-loss team, OSU or otherwise, .
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Tell you what. If Bama loses and gets left out of the playoffs in favor of another 2-loss team, OSU or otherwise, I'll eat my hat.
Agreed. I'd probably pick OSU over Bama head to head, but Bama won their division and the second loss would be to the consensus #1 at that point. Bama gets the playoff spot in this scenario. I'm not really sure there's a path for OSU at this point. Two losses with no conference or division title makes it tough to overcome.
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Put the crack pipe down. I don't see a way into the playoffs for Ohio State or any other two loss team.
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As noted, mayhem scenario, UM, UC, OkSU all lose, UGA blows out Bama 49-10 ... who ya got?
I'd be fine with that scenario.
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I'm not really sure there's a path for OSU at this point. Two losses with no conference or division title makes it tough to overcome.
NOPE stick a fork in them as far as the P.O..Everyone ahead of them woould have to make like slugs in the salt lake
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Put the crack pipe down. I don't see a way into the playoffs for Ohio State or any other two loss team.
Bama could have been in the mix but War Eagle left them off the hook
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As noted, mayhem scenario, UM, UC, OkSU all lose, UGA blows out Bama 49-10 ... who ya got?
I'd be fine with that scenario.
So now Georgia beats Bama in a blowout all of a sudden?
Okay, that might eliminate Bama with that new stipulation that you just sorta slid in there in hopes that it would go unnoticed.
So lets start with the obvious.
- Undefeated SEC Champion Georgia
- 1 loss Notre Dame
After that you'd have a trio of 2-loss Big Ten teams in Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State
- Iowa would have a Big Ten Title
- Michigan would have a H-H win over OSU, and they would be 11-2 instead of 10-2
- OSU would be the odd man out
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If Bama gets boat raced by Georgia and Michigan beats Iowa then I suppose it is possible that OSU would be considered the top 2-loss team over Bama.
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So now Georgia beats Bama in a blowout all of a sudden?
Okay, that might eliminate Bama with that new stipulation that you just sorta slid in there in hopes that it would go unnoticed.
So lets start with the obvious.
- Undefeated SEC Champion Georgia
- 1 loss Notre Dame
After that you'd have a trio of 2-loss Big Ten teams in Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State
- Iowa would have a Big Ten Title
- Michigan would have a H-H win over OSU, and they would be 11-2 instead of 10-2
- OSU would be the odd man out
Do they leave Cincy out in this scenario? They would have the head-to-head win at Notre Dame plus one more win than Notre Dame. They'd kinda have to take a one loss Cincy if they're going to take ND.
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Do they leave Cincy out in this scenario? They would have the head-to-head win at Notre Dame plus one more win than Notre Dame. They'd kinda have to take a one loss Cincy if they're going to take ND.
Yes, Cincydawg stipulated that UC and OSU2 lose, Bama gets blown out. He also stipulated that Michigan loses, but I think that they have to win in order for this scenario to get OSU into the playoffs for reasons already mentioned a few posts ago.
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Cincy has it's foot on ND's neck IMO. ND can't get in ahead of them even if they lose this weekend. So it would have to be:
Georgia undefeated
Cincy one loss
ND one loss
a two loss team (most likely a conference champ)
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Alabama is an underdog for the first time since 2015.
Amazing, right?
But wait a second. Alabama has lost 6 times since that game. Maybe Saban isn't much of a HC. 6 losses as a favorite is embarrassing. :57:
The last time they were underdogs, it was to a Grayson Lambert-led UGA team. It was 24-3 at halftime, and UGA cross the goal line 59 minutes and 50 seconds into the game.
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Cincy has it's foot on ND's neck IMO. ND can't get in ahead of them even if they lose this weekend. So it would have to be:
Georgia undefeated
Cincy one loss
ND one loss
a two loss team (most likely a conference champ)
Cincy doesn't get in with a loss under any circumstances.
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Cincy doesn't get in with a loss under any circumstances.
I personally don't feel as if either Cincy or ND are worthy of a spot regardless of how the weekend plays out. However, ND has zero business in the playoffs ahead of Cincy even if Cincy loses to Houston.
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Cincy has it's foot on ND's neck IMO. ND can't get in ahead of them even if they lose this weekend. So it would have to be:
Georgia undefeated
Cincy one loss
ND one loss
a two loss team (most likely a conference champ)
Cincy doesn't get in with a loss under any circumstances.
Yeah, Cincy has its foot on ND's neck as long as they finish undefeated, for the reason that I pointed out upthread... If Cincy is good, then their H2H victory keeps them ahead of ND. If Cincy isn't good, then ND's loss to Cincy is a really bad loss.
If Cincy loses, ND may still require some chaos to get in. But if Cincy loses, they drop below ND without a doubt and they're not even a consideration for the CFP. In that case, any and every 2-loss P5 team is above Cincy.
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I personally don't feel as if either Cincy or ND are worthy of a spot regardless of how the weekend plays out. However, ND has zero business in the playoffs ahead of Cincy even if Cincy loses to Houston.
That's ridiculous.
They wouldn't hesitate to move Notre Dame ahead of Cincinnati if Cincinnati loses.
Notre Dame would have a "better loss" and a P5 schedule.
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I was just trying to propose a scenario where OSU would get considered. It takes some doing.
The Cincy-ND linkage is fascinating to me, I agree a UC loss kills their chances, but then does it kill ND's as well? Or do they pretend the game never happened?
Would an 11-2 Bama get in over 11-1 ND? Maybe. The mayhem of this general sort would increase pressure for a larger playoff I think, but then you'd have a bunch of two loss teams one could argue don't deserve it, and the NY6 bowls would be irrelevant.
Imagine this mayhem with an 9 or 12 team playoff. You'd probably have Ole Miss in the mix, and Baylor of course, and Oregon.
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That's ridiculous.
They wouldn't hesitate to move Notre Dame ahead of Cincinnati if Cincinnati loses.
Notre Dame would have a "better loss" and a P5 schedule.
Notre Dame lost at home to Cincy, has one less win and will sit at home and watch while Cincy plays in a conference championship game. There is no rationale for ND making the playoffs while Cincy stays home. Yes ND played a P5 schedule but the majority of those teams finished in the bottom half of their conference. And some of those games were embarrassingly close.
I like what Cincydawg had to say. WTF do you do with the Cincy/ND linkage shitstorm if everything goes to hell this weekend? The funny thing is that it's their own fault for the mess. Cincy chose that shit schedule and ND refuses to join a conference and expects everyone to give them preferential treatment as a result.
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An undefeated Cincinnati is on the bubble.
A one loss Cincinnati isn't even in the discussion.
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I'm fine with that as long as Notre Dame doesn't weasel in above them.
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They would.
I'd say that the notion of Cincinnati getting in with a loss is the craziest CFB discussion I've had today, but it isn't.
On another board a guy said the new Big 12 would be nowhere near as good as the revamped Big East because WV, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati and USF were all Nationally relevant at one point or another.
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They would.
I'd say that the notion of Cincinnati getting in with a loss is the craziest CFB discussion I've had today, but it isn't.
On another board a guy said the new Big 12 would be nowhere near as good as the revamped Big East because WV, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati and USF were all Nationally relevant at one point or another.
The new B12 will be a G6 conference.
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They would.
I'd say that the notion of Cincinnati getting in with a loss is the craziest CFB discussion I've had today, but it isn't.
On another board a guy said the new Big 12 would be nowhere near as good as the revamped Big East because WV, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati and USF were all Nationally relevant at one point or another.
Well about five weeks ago I pissed off half the board here when I said I'd rather have a 2 loss OSU or Bama in the playoffs than an undefeated Cincy. So I guess I would rank the current situation as follows:
It would piss me off if an undefeated Cincy made the playoffs.
It would piss me off more if a one loss Cincy made the playoffs.
It would piss me off most if Notre Dame made the playoffs in lieu of Cincy regardless of Cincy's final record.
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'tis better to be pissed off than pissed on
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They would.
I'd say that the notion of Cincinnati getting in with a loss is the craziest CFB discussion I've had today, but it isn't.
On another board a guy said the new Big 12 would be nowhere near as good as the revamped Big East because WV, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati and USF were all Nationally relevant at one point or another.
They were....combined....for about 12 seconds. lol
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'tis better to be pissed off than pissed on
Depends which way the money changed hands...
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A 1-loss Cincinnati can crawl back down that shithole they came from.
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Over Da Rhine?
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When the 4 team CFP was devised it was made known all FBS college football teams were eligible. Has a non-Power 5 team ever made the CFP? Boise State? I don’t remember. Anyway, this could be the year the CFP lives up to their PC statement before they move on to a different format.
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No G5 ever made the CFP, or was every ranked in the top 4 at any point.
If mayhem doesn't happen, at all, and every favorite wins, I think we'd have UGA OkSU UC and .... Michigan (at 2).
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So did Notre Dame just bow out? Do they take a team with an interim coach?
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So did Notre Dame just bow out? Do they take a team with an interim coach?
I'm not sure it harms ND. Television viewers are important to ESPN's Selection Committee, and this makes for a compelling storyline.
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You mean to say
I'm not sure it harms ND. Television viewers are important to ESPN's Selection Committee, and this makes for a compelling storyline.
Do you mean harms their chances of getting in or performing because of a coach who bailed?
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If they ran the table they'd still be in of course, but as a bubble team it has to be a pretty big ding.
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Kelly could take the LSU job and still coach ND in the playoff
one foot out the door
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Coach a team that he is ghosting?
It's a bold strategy, cotton.
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You mean to sayDo you mean harms their chances of getting in or performing because of a coach who bailed?
I don't think it harms their chances of getting in. And it potentially helps them. It's a compelling storyline. ESPN wants good TV.
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IF UGA snags a win Saturday, I'm hoping UC is 4th, mostly because we played them a year ago. I hope Michigan is a 2 seed, they look pretty tough, at times.
I'd rather Bama be out. Oklahoma State looks pretty good to me also.
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don't want to have 2 shots at Bama and Saban within a few weeks?
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Nope. Not at all. Don't want any part of Ohio State either. Not crazy about the "good Michigan" team.
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Nope. Not at all. Don't want any part of Ohio State either. Not crazy about the "good Michigan" team.
Well I mean, you realize you're gonna have to play somebody worth a darn, to win the CFP...
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don't want to have 2 shots at Bama and Saban within a few weeks?
No do overs like LSU gave them,get it right saturday.
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Well I mean, you realize you're gonna have to play somebody worth a darn, to win the CFP...
but perhaps not in the quarterfinal
get past that one and any crazy thing can happen, might be served on a platter in the final
no sense having to play well twice in a row
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but perhaps not in the quarterfinal
get past that one and any crazy thing can happen, might be served on a platter in the final
no sense having to play well twice in a row
That's kinda the point.
I ain't cryin' any rivers for teams that make it to the CFP and don't win the NC 'cause they couldn't play well two weeks in a row.
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what Cincy is sayin and hopin for is what any fan wishes...
the easiest route possible to the trophy
if bama and michigan and Ohio st, and Clemson and oklahoma and notre dame all happened to step on their dick and leave Cincy and Baylor as the path to the trophy.... sweet Jesus!!!
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what Cincy is sayin and hopin for is what any fan wishes...
the easiest route possible to the trophy
if bama and michigan and Ohio st, and Clemson and oklahoma and notre dame all happened to step on their dick and leave Cincy and Baylor as the path to the trophy.... sweet Jesus!!!
None of those are my team, so I don't really give a rat's ass.
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If I were a Georgia fan, I wouldn't be too worried about an OSU team that got out muscled by Oregon
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If I were a Georgia fan, I wouldn't be too worried about an OSU team that got out muscled by Oregon
I'm not worried, now, but they were looking very potent midseason.
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None of those are my team, so I don't really give a rat's ass.
ain't nobody cryin' any rivers for your team for the same reason
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ain't nobody cryin' any rivers for your team for the same reason
Exactly my point. I'd be delighted for my team to have good enough seasons to make it to the CFP. I wouldn't worry about who we faced there, that's the fun of it.
Most people are celebrating my team's current woes. You can all just eff right off.
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Unfortunately, I'm not even it that boat
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The problem today is once you make it, you hafta win it or fire the coach and everyone else.
And if you don't make it you hafta fire the coach anyway.
Only one left standing.
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ain't it great?!?
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New CFP rankings just out...
1) Georgia (12-0)
2) Michigan (11-1)
3) Alabama (11-1)
4) Cincinnati (12-0)
5) Oklahoma State (11-1)
6) Notre Dame (11-1)
7) Ohio State (10-2)
8) Ole Miss (10-2)
9) Baylor (10-2)
10) Oregon (10-2)
Lots of possibilities here still left...if the betting favorites all win...my guess games will be...
#1 Georgia vs. #4 Ok St
#2 Michigan vs. #3 Cincy
IF Bama wins and Iowa upsets Michigan but Cincy wins and Ok St wins then they drop Georgia to 3 in order to avoid an immediate rematch with Bama at all costs.
#1 Bama vs #4 Ok State
#2 Cincy vs #3 Georgia
IF one or both of Ok St or Cincy loses- then Notre Dame is in. So many ways this thing can still go.
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will be an exciting weekend of games
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Most likely scenario: UGA, UM, Cinci, OK St all win and are in.
If Bama happens to win, Cinci is out.
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Most people are celebrating my team's current woes.
Not as far as you know,do you take us for crass individuals the Husker Prick Squad
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will be an exciting weekend of games
It better dammit i want to see white knucklers.Maybe with that Defense thing thrown in there that one occasionally hears about
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I'm just hoping for upsets, can be by 28 points or more, don't care
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If Iowa won.......NO WAY
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Most likely scenario: UGA, UM, Cinci, OK St all win and are in.
If Bama happens to win, Cinci is out.
If Bama and Baylor win, I think Cinci is in. If Bama and OkSU win, then they're out.
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Not as far as you know,do you take us for crass individuals the Husker Prick Squad
One of the few groups even sadder than horn fans these days.
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correctamundo
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If Iowa won.......NO WAY
if Iowa wins, it'll be a white knuckler
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I think Cinci is in if they win, barring weirdness. I think there is some desire to get a G5 in the mix, latent though it could be. If Bama wins it does become questionable.
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I think Cinci is in if they win, barring weirdness. I think there is some desire to get a G5 in the mix, latent though it could be. If Bama wins it does become questionable.
You altered your spelling of "Cinci" since creating your username?
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I use variable spellings of terms.
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Which one is the way that it gets spelt in British English?
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Sinsinatee
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Sinsina-ee
correction. they hide their "t" ever since boston
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I use variable spellings of terms.
Alternative facts?
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Ulturnutif fax.
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Imagine we had that system, and imagine that UGA really is the best team (for now). They are projected to have a 2 in 3 chance of beat Alabama, so let's say that is the odds for the two games they'd play. That gives them a 1 in 3 chance to prevail in both games.
Even for a "heavy" favorite, it's unlikely they will win the championship.
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Imagine we had that system, and imagine that UGA really is the best team (for now). They are projected to have a 2 in 3 chance of beat Alabama, so let's say that is the odds for the two games they'd play. That gives them a 1 in 3 chance to prevail in both games.
Even for a "heavy" favorite, it's unlikely they will win the championship.
Sure.
And yet, SOMEONE is going to win that championship, every year.
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Yeah, and they would be the playoff champion. We would see very good teams getting upset and knocked out obviously. At some point we'd see a team like say Ole Miss win it all. Yay.
The Braves did that this past year, in a sense, although they were a pretty good team in August. I always ask "What is the objective?"
I don't think that gets discussed nearly enough.
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Yeah, and they would be the playoff champion. We would see very good teams getting upset and knocked out obviously. At some point we'd see a team like say Ole Miss win it all. Yay.
The Braves did that this past year, in a sense, although they were a pretty good team in August. I always ask "What is the objective?"
I don't think that gets discussed nearly enough.
That's all it ever is, is a playoff champion. We accept it in every other team sport at any level, here in the USA.
I get it that we like for D1-A/FBS college football to be unique, and special, and I'm totally on-board with that.
But it really isn't, anymore.
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Georgia might get upset as a 1 seed this year, but then they might win the thing as a 4 seed next year.
It all evens out.
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Yeah, and they would be the playoff champion. We would see very good teams getting upset and knocked out obviously. At some point we'd see a team like say Ole Miss win it all. Yay.
The Braves did that this past year, in a sense, although they were a pretty good team in August. I always ask "What is the objective?"
I don't think that gets discussed nearly enough.
Because the answer stinks and never changes: $$$
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That's all it ever is, is a playoff champion. We accept it in every other team sport at any level, here in the USA.
I get it that we like for D1-A/FBS college football to be unique, and special, and I'm totally on-board with that.
But it really isn't, anymore.
I'd disagree with that. It's unique in different ways.
Honestly, the way it once was would've never survived our times. The poll era was a product of trust in institutions, and that simply isn't a thing anymore.
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I'd disagree with that. It's unique in different ways.
Honestly, the way it once was would've never survived our times. The poll era was a product of trust in institutions, and that simply isn't a thing anymore.
The same can be said of football itself. It's a product of a time before CTE and liability were a discussion. I don't believe for one second, it will exist in 20 years, in any form similar to what it is now.
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Well yeah, it doesn't exist now in any form similar to what it was 20 years ago.
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So, what in your view is the desired purpose of a playoff of any ilk?
Not what the actual purpose, but the ideal purpose.
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Thinking Baylor's defense may put Notre Dame in the playoffs. Not sure how I feel about that.
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Yeah, and they would be the playoff champion. We would see very good teams getting upset and knocked out obviously. At some point we'd see a team like say Ole Miss win it all. Yay.
The Braves did that this past year, in a sense, although they were a pretty good team in August. I always ask "What is the objective?"
I don't think that gets discussed nearly enough.
Because the answer stinks and never changes: $$$
Well, the question about an objective is really what the sport is all about...
Is the sport about student athletes competing, schools, traditions, rivalries, fans, conferences, and bowl games? Is it a diversion from the normal day-to-day of student life and a shared experience for a campus on fall Saturdays, to commune over drinks and grilled meat tailgating before the game and knowing that, win or lose, you were still all Bulldogs or Tigers or Wildcats or whatever.
Or is the sport about crowning a champion?
If the former, well then the old system worked just fine. Outside of a few programs, college football was FUN. Cheer on your team, hope you got enough wins to go somewhere warm and sunny in late December, or if you really had a good year, Jan 1. Maybe at the end of it a few teams could argue over who was the MNC--the mythical National Champion. And some years, there could be multiple because the AP and the Coaches didn't agree.
If it's the latter, well, the old system was a beauty pageant. Which is fine, but it's not OBJECTIVE. A tournament playoff, for all its warts, has been considered the objective method to crown a champion in nearly every other sport that exists in the entire world. The BCS was created because they wanted to pit #1 vs #2 to create a "real" national champion. Then it expanded to 4 because some teams were getting left out, and because a 4-team playoff generates a lot more $$$ than an 2-team BCSCG. Suddenly it became ALL that anyone talked about. Nobody cared about conference championships, nobody cared about rivalries, it was all about "who is in and who is out?" And it became apparent that it was all still a beauty pageant and was nowhere near objectively crowning a champion. So we start talking about automatic bids for conference championships, which is one concrete and objective way to grant inclusion to the playoff and make the outcome objective, even if it doesn't crown the "best" team.
Personally, I want college football to be fun. I don't mind that the national championship is mythical. It's not like Purdue is ever going to win it anyway. Go back to the days when conference championships and warm sunny bowl destinations were the goal.
But if the world HAS to have an objective National Champion, then make the goddamn playoff system objective. Not this half-ass in-between 4-school beauty pageant instead of the old 2-school or 1-school beauty pageant.
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I agree about its being fun as the primary objective. I also agree the schemes have removed some of the fun aspect and replaced it with a lot of complaining and wishing something was different so we'd have a "real champion", like baseball does it.
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I mean, like I said and bwar echoed, every other team sport at every level in the USA decides the champion via a playoff. Even football, from peewee league to middle school to high school to college to the NFL, decides its champion with a playoff. That's scores of thousands of entities at every level competing for the playoff win-- aside from about 120 universities in D1-A/FBS.
And it used to make the sport unique and special. But now with a half-assed beauty pageant playoff, it's neither unique and special, nor is it objective, as bwar also pointed out. It's sort of the worst of all worlds now, and it's severely damaging the sport I've loved since before I knew how to properly say the word "football."
(That last bit might be an exaggeration...)
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The same can be said of football itself. It's a product of a time before CTE and liability were a discussion. I don't believe for one second, it will exist in 20 years, in any form similar to what it is now.
fortunately, CTE and liability haven't come up much this season
targeting elections are way down as far as I can tell
I'm hopeful the sport can survive. I think it will because of money.
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