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Title: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 04, 2021, 03:02:00 PM


#22 Iowa Hawkeyes (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern Wildcats (1-4, 3-5)
7:00 - Evanston, IL - BTN
The easy narrative is that Iowa's turnover luck ran out.  That's obviously part of it, but there is more to it, particularly with what Wisconsin was able to do.  Listening to Michael Felder break it down on the Athletic's college football podcast this week, the bigger issue is teams figuring out that Iowa's defensive pieces only seem to have one pitch.  Their secondary is outstanding in run support, and being able to crash down on ball carriers.  Against vertical routes, not so much.  Matt Nelson looked like a Thorpe Award frontrunner in September.  The past two games, he has been at best invisible, at worst a liability.  Particularly concerning is that last week was off the bye week.  If Purdue's coaches saw something, and exploited it, good on them.  Not being able to adjust with an extra week off for Iowa's coaches is a bit concerning.  Offensively, Iowa wants to run, but they just can't.  I'm not sure I've ever written that in one of these before.  The Hawkeyes are averaging just 2.8 ypc in Big Ten play, #13 in the conference.  Among the 7 Big Ten teams averaging below 4.1 ypc, only Rutgers is running the ball more often than Iowa, so they are sticking to their guns.  So getting off to a quicker start is a must.  Iowa fell behind 17-3 to Penn State, and needed a Sean Clifford injury to comeback.  They fell behind in the first quarter against Purdue, and same against Wisconsin.  They have led at no point during those two losses.  Iowa's run offense is just regular bad, Northwestern's run defense is a special kind of bad.  If there was ever an opponent to get some things on that line figured out against, it's this Northwestern team.  Let Spencer Petras get back to doing what he was doing earlier in the year, not the guy who has completed just 50% of his passes over the past two weeks, with no touchdowns, 4 interceptions, and been sacked 9 times.  part of that is Petras being exposed, and part of that is simply being an offense that cannot play from behind.  I doubt that'll be an issue this week.  If it is, Iowa's spiral could take them from #2 in the nation to a 7-5 finish.
IOWA 30, NORTHWESTERN 14

Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on November 04, 2021, 05:02:35 PM
if i had to pick an upset in the big ten this would be the pick

just not sure if the fighting Fitz's will put it together.  they are usually good for an upset in their down years and its usually towards the end of the year

did this site have a upset game where you pick one upset and get the points they were underdogs if they won?
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 05:39:16 PM
Fitz has the ultimate HC job. Paid like an elite HC, and no one ever holds him accountable for seasons like this.
"It's Northwestern, they can't win every year."
All he has to do is make a run at a B1G West Title once every five years or so, and he's one of the greats.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2021, 05:56:59 PM
I could totally see NW come through with the upset. Iowa's offense is just that bad.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2021, 05:57:22 PM
Fitz has the ultimate HC job. Paid like an elite HC, and no one ever holds him accountable for seasons like this.
"It's Northwestern, they can't win every year."
All he has to do is make a run at a B1G West Title once every five years or so, and he's one of the greats.
Harbaugh would kill it there.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 06:17:17 PM
Paid like an elite HC???

is PJ still making less?
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 04, 2021, 06:19:49 PM
did this site have a upset game where you pick one upset and get the points they were underdogs if they won?
We used to, not sure if geo made it over.

That was always my favorite game
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 06:24:18 PM
Paid like an elite HC???

is PJ still making less?
Doesn't Fitz get like 5 million a year?
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 06:29:44 PM
$5,218,658

I guess your definition of elite might be different

1. Nick Saban Alabama $9.75 million 
2. Ed Orgeron LSU $9.01 million 
3. David Shaw Stanford $8.92 million -
4. Dabo Swinney Clemson $8.37 million 
5. Lincoln Riley Oklahoma $7.67 million 
6. Dan Mullen Florida $7.57 million 
7. Jimbo Fisher Texas A&M $7.5 million 
8. Kirby Smart Georgia $7.13 million 
9. Ryan Day Ohio State $6.61 million 
10. Gary Patterson TCU $6.10 million 

no wonder Gary Patterson was fired
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 06:49:12 PM
Well okay. He's in the upper 10% or so. That's pretty good. 
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
cornsidering where the Wildcats might end up w/o Fritz, probably money well spent
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Well the last two HCs both won actual Big Ten Titles, so it's not exactly like he's reinventing the wheel here. 
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2021, 06:54:27 PM
Half of the top 10 is SEC. I could make allusions to what sort of priorities these academic institutions really have, but that would be uncouth, so I shall not. 
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 06:57:05 PM
Brutus and MrNubbz are uncouth most of the time

what's the problem?
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 04, 2021, 07:00:53 PM
I tried being couth a time or two, but it didn't take. 
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
at least you tried

"A" for effort!
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on November 04, 2021, 07:25:38 PM
$5,218,658

I guess your definition of elite might be different

1. Nick Saban Alabama $9.75 million
2. Ed Orgeron LSU $9.01 million
3. David Shaw Stanford $8.92 million -
4. Dabo Swinney Clemson $8.37 million
5. Lincoln Riley Oklahoma $7.67 million
6. Dan Mullen Florida $7.57 million
7. Jimbo Fisher Texas A&M $7.5 million
8. Kirby Smart Georgia $7.13 million
9. Ryan Day Ohio State $6.61 million
10. Gary Patterson TCU $6.10 million

no wonder Gary Patterson was fired

Interesting that 2 of the top 10 are already fired this season.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2021, 07:28:28 PM
Interesting that 2 of the top 10 are already fired this season.
You have high expectations for ROI when I is ridiculously high...
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on November 04, 2021, 11:27:21 PM
I would not consider it to be an upset if Northwestern wins.
Iowa has a starting quarterback whose shoes are stuck in cement. Opponents know just where he will be in every passing situation. He might be okay with a superior O-Line. The offensive line he has is incapable of protecting him, and cannot rush block either. It is a hapless situation.
Alex Padilla, 2nd team QB, threw 6 passes on target against Wisc. 3 of which were dropped. He glided away from the pass rush pressure (at least on the last series).
Iowa's nepotism has led to an untenable coaching situation. Theoretically the O-Coordinator reports to the Athletic Director, because the A.D. is not his dad.
At the conclusion to this season we shall see if the A.D. does his job.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on November 05, 2021, 09:42:23 AM
I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else,  but I heard Wisconsin players say they knew the exact play Iowa was going to run when they were in a run formation.

The predictability of Iowa's offense against Purdue and Wisconsin was disappointing.  Especially after seeing how Iowa had used the mis- direction well against MD and PSU.

The weird part is you could tell Brian Ferentz was running the same play 2 times in a row on many different occasions, and the play never worked the 2nd time. 

Against Purdue, Iowa had a 3rd and 1, ran the QB sneak that failed then on 4th and 1 ran another QB sneak that failed again.

Against Wisc, Iowa had 3rd and 2, had a FB run that failed, then on 4th and 1, ran another FB run that failed again.

Its not just a crappy OL and an immobile QB, but that does not help.  There is a lack of creativity and too much predictability in Iowa's offense.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
I'm frustrated that offensive playcallers don't run successful plays more than once or twice the entire game

it seems to me playcallers try too hard to "outsmart" or surprise the defense.

such as, that play didn't work at all, the defense would NEVER expect us to run it again!

this play worked for an EASY 40 yard TD, let's not run that thing again, the defense will be watching for it
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 05, 2021, 04:25:58 PM
I'm frustrated that offensive playcallers don't run successful plays more than once or twice the entire game

it seems to me playcallers try too hard to "outsmart" or surprise the defense.

such as, that play didn't work at all, the defense would NEVER expect us to run it again!

this play worked for an EASY 40 yard TD, let's not run that thing again, the defense will be watching for it
Granted, I think you are underestimating the football smarts of the defense.  Chuck Brantley said he baited McNamera into the game ending pick last week, because he recognized that they had run the same play successfully in the 2nd quarter, and he knew what Cade was looking for in his read, so he stuck with his man just long enough, then broke on the TE.  As much as we THINK we know football, those guys KNOW football.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
Oh, I'm quite certain all these coaches that have P5 jobs know a hell of a lot more than I'll ever know.

but, sometimes it's more about execution and less about the play call.  Sometimes not.  Some offensive plays are doomed from the start vs some defensive calls.

Running a QB sneak into the same defensive alignment repeatedly can't be smart.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on November 05, 2021, 05:07:54 PM
i believe in a play progression
I do not see it with Minnesota's play calling and many OC's are the same.  they are either too smart or over think things but more and more today the same formation means the same play while not too far back OC's would scheme the same formation but run a play that took advantage of what you did as a defense the last time we ran that formation

its not hard to get a feel for a game but i do think todays OC'/playcallers are not doing a good job setting up the team for success
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 05, 2021, 05:15:35 PM
Oh, I'm quite certain all these coaches that have P5 jobs know a hell of a lot more than I'll ever know.

but, sometimes it's more about execution and less about the play call.  Sometimes not.  Some offensive plays are doomed from the start vs some defensive calls.

Running a QB sneak into the same defensive alignment repeatedly can't be smart.
I don't even mean the coaches.  That was a true freshman CB recognizing the same play, and baiting the QB into a pick
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2021, 05:38:30 PM
hah, the could have just been lucky with his assumption
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on November 06, 2021, 12:12:08 AM
it seems to me playcallers try too hard to "outsmart" or surprise the defense.
Fearless has a man crush on Brian Ferentz because  B.F. almost never tries to surprise a defense. ;(
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 06, 2021, 12:51:58 AM
Fearless has a man crush on Brian Ferentz because  B.F. almost never tries to surprise a defense. ;(
He has a good chance of outsmarting himself...

...of course a coin flip has a good chance of outsmarting B.F...
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on November 06, 2021, 03:21:49 AM

#22 Iowa Hawkeyes (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern Wildcats (1-4, 3-5)
7:00 - Evanston, IL - BTN
The easy narrative is that Iowa's turnover luck ran out.  That's obviously part of it, but there is more to it, particularly with what Wisconsin was able to do.  Listening to Michael Felder break it down on the Athletic's college football podcast this week, the bigger issue is teams figuring out that Iowa's defensive pieces only seem to have one pitch.  Their secondary is outstanding in run support, and being able to crash down on ball carriers.  Against vertical routes, not so much.  Matt Nelson looked like a Thorpe Award frontrunner in September.  The past two games, he has been at best invisible, at worst a liability.  Particularly concerning is that last week was off the bye week.  If Purdue's coaches saw something, and exploited it, good on them.  Not being able to adjust with an extra week off for Iowa's coaches is a bit concerning.  Offensively, Iowa wants to run, but they just can't.  I'm not sure I've ever written that in one of these before.  The Hawkeyes are averaging just 2.8 ypc in Big Ten play, #13 in the conference.  Among the 7 Big Ten teams averaging below 4.1 ypc, only Rutgers is running the ball more often than Iowa, so they are sticking to their guns.  So getting off to a quicker start is a must.  Iowa fell behind 17-3 to Penn State, and needed a Sean Clifford injury to comeback.  They fell behind in the first quarter against Purdue, and same against Wisconsin.  They have led at no point during those two losses.  Iowa's run offense is just regular bad, Northwestern's run defense is a special kind of bad.  If there was ever an opponent to get some things on that line figured out against, it's this Northwestern team.  Let Spencer Petras get back to doing what he was doing earlier in the year, not the guy who has completed just 50% of his passes over the past two weeks, with no touchdowns, 4 interceptions, and been sacked 9 times.  part of that is Petras being exposed, and part of that is simply being an offense that cannot play from behind.  I doubt that'll be an issue this week.  If it is, Iowa's spiral could take them from #2 in the nation to a 7-5 finish.
IOWA 30, NORTHWESTERN 14


Overall excellent analysis,  but one thing confused me.  Matt Nelson is an ex-Iowa DL that now plays for the Detroit Lions.  Did you possibly mean CB Matt Hankins?  Iowa's CB's did struggle against Purdue and Wisc.  One reason is the other starting CB,  Riley Moss, has been out since the PSU game.  And Moss's backup, Terry Roberts also did not play in the Wisc game.  So Iowa had 2 of its 3 best CB's out against Wisc.  Its probably 1 of the reasons Wisc could throw the ball early against Iowa and why the Iowa defense seems a little off the last couple games.  Of course the Iowa defense was struggling against PSU before Clifford got hurt but did you notice Iowa got 3 picks against PSU before CB Moss got hurt.  Hopefully for Iowa Moss can play against NW because he does seem to help take Iowa's defense to another level.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 06, 2021, 09:17:04 AM
Fearless has a man crush on Brian Ferentz because  B.F. almost never tries to surprise a defense. ;(
hah, I do like Brian better than his predecessor GD Greg Davis 
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on November 06, 2021, 10:38:04 AM
Iowa CB's Riley Moss and Terry Roberts are out again today for Iowa.  That's 2 out of the top 3 CB's  for Iowa that are out again for the 2nd game in a row.
Title: Re: #22 Iowa (3-2, 6-2) at Northwestern (1-4, 3-5) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 06, 2021, 10:58:25 AM
well, Northwestern's passing game isn't great