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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on August 22, 2021, 08:27:29 AM
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Frost v. the Bielema. Saturday, 1 pm, FOX
Are we getting to must-win status for Scott Frost? With Trev Alberts the new boss, an NCAA investigation swirling, and meager results his first three seasons, the hot seat could be coming. Losing to doormat Illinois would certainly liven up that discussion.
For his part, Bielema has no expectations and could probably show up and crush a few beers.
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Finally!!! Game week!!
Some classic battles early. Penn State versus Wisconsin, Clemson versus Georgia and many others.
I’m really looking forward to it!!
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Not exactly a who's who Saturday, but we also get Hawaii at UCLA at 3:30 on ESPN and a couple games on CBSSN. I still have no problems telling my kids they are on their own for the day.
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Finally!!! Game week!!
Some classic battles early. Penn State versus Wisconsin, Clemson versus Georgia and many others.
I’m really looking forward to it!!
That's the following weekend. This week, as Sam said, is kinda meh. But hey, it's ON!!
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That’s why I just said “ early”.
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Bert's coaching Illinois now?
Man, I've been tuned out.
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In honor of Bert
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Frost v. the Bielema. Saturday, 1 pm, FOX
Are we getting to must-win status for Scott Frost? With Trev Alberts the new boss, an NCAA investigation swirling,
Huh? Trev's an asshole so I don't care about him but what did UNL do.....or not?
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I still have no problems telling my kids they are on their own for the day.
How could you? J/K
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Huh? Trev's an asshole so I don't care about him but what did UNL do.....or not?
Some sort of practice time scandal - using analysts to coach the team or whatnot. Not exactly earth shattering but also not helping the Scott Frost cause.
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it's a must win for Frosty
gotta show some progress this season
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The 2021 team captains: Adrian Martinez QB, Austin Allen TE, Damion Daniels DT and Cam Taylor-Britt CB.
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I'm looking forward to waking up Saturday AM to a Max-created Stream thread. I think he sets his alarm.
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Last year the Illini won this game 41-23, they lead the Big Ten in "super seniors," they have a LB corps that the BTN talking heads are raving about, and Bert has already proven that he can succeed in the Big Ten.
Illinois rolls.
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:::rolls eyes:::
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I'm looking forward to waking up Saturday AM to a Max-created Stream thread. I think he sets his alarm.
That's the football gods waking me up
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If a single play could sum up the one-step-forward, one-step-back frustration of Nebraska’s 2020 football season, it might just be the Huskers’ first snap from scrimmage against Illinois in mid-November.
The Huskers started with the ball, but gave away 8 yards of field position before the offense even trotted onto the field by needlessly running the opening kickoff out of the end zone and getting tackled at the 17-yard line.
Then redshirt freshman Luke McCaffrey, making his second start at quarterback, inexplicably pulled the ball on an outside zone run to the right, dashed to his left and threw a pass deemed live and, somewhat surprisingly upheld upon review, to be a lateral to Wan’Dale Robinson, who was draped by a defender.
Illinois pounced on the ball, scored three plays later and never trailed in an emphatic 41-23 victory.
Three factors that have been problematic for each of Scott Frost’s three seasons at Nebraska, though — turnovers, penalties and field position — all came to the forefront against the Illini on that day.
They did in 2019, too, when Nebraska came from behind to eek out a 42-38 win in Champaign despite an overwhelming 674-299 advantage in yardage and 37 minutes time of possession.
In those two games, one win and one loss, Nebraska turned the ball over nine times and took it away just once, committed 17 penalties for 136 yards (75 more yards than Illinois) and started with worse field position by an average of 7 yards last year and 15 in 2019.
So, how much progress have the Huskers made in areas that have cost them several games the past three years and that have been particularly exploited by the Illini?
The answers are coming very quickly.
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If a single play could sum up the one-step-forward, one-step-back frustration of Nebraska’s 2020 football season, it might just be the Huskers’ first snap from scrimmage against Illinois in mid-November.
The Huskers started with the ball, but gave away 8 yards of field position before the offense even trotted onto the field by needlessly running the opening kickoff out of the end zone and getting tackled at the 17-yard line.
Then redshirt freshman Luke McCaffrey, making his second start at quarterback, inexplicably pulled the ball on an outside zone run to the right, dashed to his left and threw a pass deemed live and, somewhat surprisingly upheld upon review, to be a lateral to Wan’Dale Robinson, who was draped by a defender.
Illinois pounced on the ball, scored three plays later and never trailed in an emphatic 41-23 victory.
Three factors that have been problematic for each of Scott Frost’s three seasons at Nebraska, though — turnovers, penalties and field position — all came to the forefront against the Illini on that day.
They did in 2019, too, when Nebraska came from behind to eek out a 42-38 win in Champaign despite an overwhelming 674-299 advantage in yardage and 37 minutes time of possession.
In those two games, one win and one loss, Nebraska turned the ball over nine times and took it away just once, committed 17 penalties for 136 yards (75 more yards than Illinois) and started with worse field position by an average of 7 yards last year and 15 in 2019.
So, how much progress have the Huskers made in areas that have cost them several games the past three years and that have been particularly exploited by the Illini?
The answers are coming very quickly.
That's bizarre!
The Huskers may or may not have a talent deficit, but there should be no reason that they can't play fundamentally sound football.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doYMCYgIMlw
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and Bert has already proven that he can succeed in the Big Ten.
Illinois rolls.
Bert demonstrated he's a bit of a knob and was successful because of a solid program in Madison. In Fayetteville he shot his mouth off alot stuck his foot in his mouth. He'll win if they have more talent or get a lucky break.He has a long way to go to claw back to average IMHO
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I'm looking forward to waking up Saturday AM to a Max-created Stream thread. I think he sets his alarm.
Kids wake him up for breakfast
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Kids wake him up for breakfast
It's the opposite - I gotta get up early if I want to enjoy any peace and quiet for a minute
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So you come here and get into
arguments discussions
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That's bizarre!
The Huskers may or may not have a talent deficit, but there should be no reason that they can't play fundamentally sound football.
it's called coaching, and the fan base is on to it.
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I don't care what anyone says, this is a great week 0 slate.
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I'm pumped!
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According to the line histories at VegasInsider.com, most of the Las Vegas sportsbooks had Nebraska -6.5 or -7 at the end of last week. DraftKings listed the Huskers at -7 (-105) and -255 on the moneyline on the morning of Aug. 22.
It was -115 to take the Illini at +7 and +205 on the moneyline. The over/under was 55, -115 on the over and -105 on the under.
What’s that tell us about the game?
The DraftKings moneyline odds imply a 72% straight-up win probability for Nebraska, 33% for Illinois.
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Nebraska leads the all-time series with Illinois, 13-4-1. The Huskers are 6-2 against the Illini since
joining the Big Ten Conference in 2011.
• Nebraska had won the past four meetings with Illinois before the Illini won in Lincoln last season.
The four-game win streak was the longest for Nebraska against any Big Ten opponent since joining
the conference in 2011.
• Nebraska posted a 54-35 victory over Illinois in 2018. The 54 points tied for the most Nebraska
scored in a conference game in its first 10 years in the Big Ten.
•Nebraska and Illinois are also scheduled to open the season against each other in Champaign in 2025.
• Before joining the Big Ten, Nebraska and Illinois last met in a home-and-home series in 1985 and
1986, with the Huskers winning both of those matchups.
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weekly COVID tests for the Husker football team for any members not fully vaccinated - per Frost
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I agree with @MaximumSam (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1572) 's opening post in this thread that this game is massively more important for Nebraska/Frost than it is for Illinois/Bielema.
Illinois/Bielema:
- Illinois went 2-6 in 2020
- Illinois went 6-7 (bowl loss) in 2019
- Illinois went 4-8 in 2018
- Illinois went 2-10 in 2017
- Illinois went 3-9 in 2016 - 2016-2020 were under Lovie Smith
- Illinois went 5-7 in 2015 under Bill Cubit
- Illinois went 6-7 (bowl loss) in 2014
- Illinois went 4-8 in 2013
- Illinois went 2-10 in 2012 - 2012-2014 were under Tim Beckman
- Illinois went 6-6 in 2011
- Illinois went 7-6 in 2010 - 2005-2011 were under Ron Zook
Bielema has some demons to excise but Illinois hasn't finished above .500 nor even had back-to-back .500 seasons in a decade. Bielema doesn't have to win the B1G-W to look good. All he really has to do is go somewhere around .500 and he'll look great and he doesn't even need that in year one, just something resembling improvement.
Frost/Nebraska:
Frost's seat may not be hot yet, but if Nebraska doesn't take a major step this year it certainly will be by December. Frost, of course, is a "favorite son" having played at Nebraska and he arrived looking the part of the next hot young coach after going undefeated with UCF but then . . . Well, not much good has happened since he's been back in Lincoln. In Frost's three years the Cornhuskers have three fifth place finishes in the seven member B1G-W (two ties and one alone) and have gone:
- 3-5 in 2020
- 5-7 in 2019
- 4-8 in 2018
Frost's predecessor Mike Riley did better than that and got canned after three years. Prior to that, Bo Pelini did a lot better than that and got canned after seven seasons.
I don't think anybody expects Nebraska to get back to Tom Osborne level dominance in 2021 but I think Frost needs to get back at least close to the level that Solich, Callahan, and Pelini had the school operating at. Frost can't keep turning in sub .500 seasons and expect to keep his job.
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I assume a Pelini record without the Pelini antics would be applauded if Frost can achieve that.
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Nebraska leads the all-time series with Illinois, 13-4-1. The Huskers are 6-2 against the Illini since
joining the Big Ten Conference in 2011.
• Nebraska had won the past four meetings with Illinois before the Illini won in Lincoln last season.
The four-game win streak was the longest for Nebraska against any Big Ten opponent since joining
the conference in 2011.
• Nebraska posted a 54-35 victory over Illinois in 2018. The 54 points tied for the most Nebraska
scored in a conference game in its first 10 years in the Big Ten.
•Nebraska and Illinois are also scheduled to open the season against each other in Champaign in 2025.
• Before joining the Big Ten, Nebraska and Illinois last met in a home-and-home series in 1985 and
1986, with the Huskers winning both of those matchups.
The full series:
- Nebraska won the first four, all in Lincoln in 1892, 1903, 1904, and 1905
- Illinois went 2-1 in a three game set in 1923-1925 that included two in Champaign and one in Lincoln
- They tied a one-off game in Champaign in 1953
- Nebraska easily won both of a H&H set in 1985/6
- Nebraska 7-2-1 before joining the B1G
In Nebraska's first two years in the B1G, they were not in the same division as the Illini and didn't play them.
- In 2013 they played a cross-divisional game which Nebraska won
- From 2014-2020 they have been in the B1G-W together and played every year with Nebraska holding a 5-2 advantage.
Illinois' win in Lincoln last year was their second ever and first since 1924.
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I assume a Pelini record without the Pelini antics would be applauded if Frost can achieve that.
I have no doubt of that but it isn't just because of the antics, it is also due to lowered expectations.
Osborne coached Nebraska from 1973-1997 and over those 25 years the Cornhuskers had the #1 winning percentage in all of college football* then they capped it off with three NC's in Osborne's last four years.
The coaches who came shortly after that run were naturally compared to that and that is a REALLY high bar. This week the Cornhuskers will be starting their 24th season of the post-Osborne era. Ie, Osborne has been retired from Nebraska for almost as long as he was HC at Nebraska.
*For reference the top winning percentages from 1973-1997 were:
- Nebraska
- Penn State
- Michigan
- Alabama
- Ohio State
- Oklahoma
- BYU
- FSU
- Notre Dame
- Miami, FL
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If Bielema wins at Illinois, he could hold the position of, Iowa's future coach, all over again.
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I suspect that's gonna happen. He's an easy target, but he knows the "Wisconsin way" and he's coaching in that division. He inherited a dumpster fire in Arkansas, but he was doing a decent job of building them back up before going 4-8 and getting canned. He sounds like he's grown up and learnt some lessons, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him breath some life into the Illini before replacing Kirk at Iowa.
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I suspect that's gonna happen. He's an easy target, but he knows the "Wisconsin way" and he's coaching in that division. He inherited a dumpster fire in Arkansas, but he was doing a decent job of building them back up before going 4-8 and getting canned. He sounds like he's grown up and learnt some lessons, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him breath some life into the Illini before replacing Kirk at Iowa.
The Arkansas run was weird. One very good defense, two very good offenses. A few teams with better numbers than their records …
But they seemed to lose the rope late. The second-to-last team was teetering. Then the bottom just fell out. We shall see what part carries over.
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I don't know if you can define a program on one coach. If there was no success before or after, then can you really say it's a strong program? He coached for 25 years, and it's almost been 25 years since he retired. So why is '73-'97 weighted more heavily than the most recent 25 years as the expectation? I just don't know that Nebraska today is firing a guy who averages 8-9 wins a year with a Big Ten West title every few years.
To add a little, Penn State has still remained pretty strong after their legendary coach retired, so I'd say that program makes sense to have higher expectations.
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I don't know if you can define a program on one coach. If there was no success before or after, then can you really say it's a strong program?
1) Bob Devaney preceeded Tom Osborne and won two natty's. It wasn't a one coach run.
2) Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno would like a word.
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Ok, good to know for previous history for Nebraska. FSU is kind of an odd bird, but they did win a national title post Bowden. I really don't know what to make of the current state of their program. I'd be very interested if they'd be happy with being a top 4 ACC team, or if they are expecting to move ahead of Clemson as the top team in the conference.
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Crap, I have to deal with Joel Klatt right out of the gate?
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1) Bob Devaney preceeded Tom Osborne and won two natty's. It wasn't a one coach run.
I was going to make the same point. Nebraska's run wasn't just the 25 years with Tom Osborne as HC.
Bob Devaney coached Nebraska for 11 years from 1962-1972 and, as @iahawk15 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=874) pointed out, won two NC's (1970, 1971). His run was arguably more impressive than Osborne's:
- 9-2, 3rd place in Big8, won Gotham Bowl over Miami in 1962
- 10-1, Big8 Champ, won Orange Bowl over Auburn, finished #6/5 in 1963
- 9-2, Big8 Champ, lost Cotton Bowl to Arkansas, finished #6/6 in 1964
- 10-1, Big8 Champ, lost Orange Bowl to Bama, finished #5/3 in 1965
- 9-2, Big8 Champ, lost Sugar Bowl to Bama, finished #6/7 in 1966
- 6-4, 5th in Big8 in 1967
- 6-4, 4th in Big8 in 1968
- 9-2, Big8 co-Champs, won Sun Bowl over Georgia, finished #11/12 in 1969
- 11-0-1, Big8 Champ, won Orange Bowl over LSU, finished #1/3 in 1970
- 13-0, Big8 Champ, won Orange Bowl over Bama, finished #1/1 in 1971
- 9-2-1, Big8 Champ, won Orange Bowl over Notre Dame, finished #4/9 in 1972
That is a SERIOUSLY impressive run and if you look at the period of 1962-1997 Nebraska's winning percentage is #1 by a LARGE margin over #2 Penn State for those 36 years.
Even after Osborne retired, three of Solich's first four Nebraska teams finished in the top-10. Solich's six teams finished ranked five times and top-10 three times along with a NC appearance but he got canned because the program appeared to be heading in the wrong direction.
Nebraska's long term history is unusual. As discussed above, they were phenomenal from the hiring of Bob Devaney in 1962 through about 2001. Prior to Devaney they were flat awful for decades. They had been very good from the early 1900's through the 1930's then just flat sucked in the 1940's and 1950's up until Devaney came along in 1962. Then they were arguably the best program in the nation for about forty years (1962-2001). Then, of course, they were decent under Pelini but the Riley era was not good and so far Scott Frost hasn't managed to finish .500 or better.
In the modern (post-WWII) era they have:
- Two coaches who were best-in-the-nation level good (Devaney, Osborne)
- Two coaches who were good but not great (Solich, Pelini)
- Nine coaches who have flat sucked:
- George Clark in 1945
- Bill Glassford from 1949-1955
- Pete Elliott in 1956
- Bill Jennings from 1957-1961
- Bill Callahan from 2004-2007
- Mike Riley from 2015-2017
- Scott Frost from 2018-2020 (so far, maybe?)
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If Bielema wins at Illinois, he could hold the position of, Iowa's future coach, all over again.
IMO he'd have to keep his mouth shut and have the Illini punch above their weight, instead of the other way around as it appeared in Fayetteville
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Crap, I have to deal with Joel Klatt right out of the gate?
I'll be using the "mute" button
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The Nebraska football team is 90% vaccinated, AD Trev Alberts said Wednesday night: "Our student-athlete population has done a wonderful job of getting themselves vaccinated."
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The Athletic Department will implement the following policies for events through Sept. 30. The policies have been reviewed by the LLCHD.
Memorial Stadium (Football)
Nebraska fans attending September home games against Fordham (Sept. 4) and Buffalo (Sept. 11) are strongly encouraged to wear an appropriate face covering (covering both the nose and mouth) when on campus property. The new Directed Health Measure will apply to various spaces in Memorial Stadium as follows:
Concourses – Masks are strongly recommended in concourse spaces
Lobbies – Masks are strongly recommended upon entry and required when utilizing elevators or in common indoor premium spaces
Elevators – Masks are required when using an elevator
Suites – Masks are strongly recommended for this cohort group when inside the respective suite and required when outside in the hallways and lobbies of the suite level
Club Areas – Masks strongly recommended when sitting in the outdoor seats and required when inside the indoor portion of the club level
Press Box – Masks are required by media and other personnel on this indoor level
Seating Bowl – Masks are strongly recommended in any seating area outdoors
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I have no doubt of that but it isn't just because of the antics, it is also due to lowered expectations.
Osborne coached Nebraska from 1973-1997 and over those 25 years the Cornhuskers had the #1 winning percentage in all of college football* then they capped it off with three NC's in Osborne's last four years.
The coaches who came shortly after that run were naturally compared to that and that is a REALLY high bar. This week the Cornhuskers will be starting their 24th season of the post-Osborne era. Ie, Osborne has been retired from Nebraska for almost as long as he was HC at Nebraska.
*For reference the top winning percentages from 1973-1997 were:
- Nebraska
- Penn State
- Michigan
- Alabama
- Ohio State
- Oklahoma
- BYU
- FSU
- Notre Dame
- Miami, FL
Yeah, Pelini was a rock star at Nebraska during the post-Osborne era, and in large part it was because of his "antics."
But the Cornhusker fans didn't see it that way, which is a major part of the reason that they won't admit that they secretly wish that they hadn't Shanghaied him out of town, like some of them occasionally will do for Frank Solich.
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I like the Under in this game
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I thought I read that Illinois' O-Line was expected to do well this year. The 1st half their O-Line was awful. Bielema made some adjustments by adding quick pitches around end, bubble screen, a sort of reverse or possibly statue of liberty type play, and it somewhat loosened up the Nebraska D-Line in the second half.
I thought the Nebraska D-Line played well.
Adrian Martinez makes great plays, but the bad plays he is involved in more than make up for the good plays. He has too many turnovers, and too many missed passes, and then he makes the great pass, or the great run. We are all mesmerized by his super plays, but consistently throughout his career, his bad plays are very hurtful.
Is he the best QB in the Cornhuskers have? It might be time to look to the future if there is a bench player that is arguably close to Adrian Martinez's talent.
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I like the Under in this game
Pay the man!
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Very sad to see.
The Huskers looked fundamentally unsound, meaning badly coached.
Adrian Martinez is a turnover machine.
And who misses 2 out of 3 PATs?
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Well it looks like there are three teams now that still use the old huddle while calling plays, Iowa, Wisconsin and Wisconsin 2.0 (Illinois).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEKIr9DSys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngNocAzE30g
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Scott Frost didn’t have his team ready, in one of Nebraska’s few opportunities to win a game this season. I know it is probably very hard to get good players to come out to Nebraska, but Illinois is going through a coaching transition, without a blue-chip roster (so, no excuses). For a little while, the Nebraska Defense looked impressive, but that got lost in the ineptitude of the offense. Nebraska looked flat and played sloppy, so they deserved to get beaten by the Illini. Illinois seemed to have more energy than the sluggish Nebraska team, who need to improve immediately, or face a long, disappointing season.
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Scott Frost didn’t have his team ready, in one of Nebraska’s few opportunities to win a game this season. I know it is probably very hard to get good players to come out to Nebraska, but Illinois is going through a coaching transition, without a blue-chip roster (so, no excuses). For a little while, the Nebraska Defense looked impressive, but that got lost in the ineptitude of the offense. Nebraska looked flat and played sloppy, so they deserved to get beaten by the Illini. Illinois seemed to have more energy than the sluggish Nebraska team, who need to improve immediately, or face a long, disappointing season.
Welcome back!
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So ranking the current Big Ten coaches by Big Ten Titles...
- Bert: 3 (2 outright*, 1 shared with Dantonio)
- Ryan Day: 2 (Both Outright)
- Kirk Ferentz 2 (both shared, one with Tressel, the other with Carr)
- Franklin: 1 (Outright)
- Everyone Else: 0
*includes 1 3rd place Divisional finish
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Very sad to see.
The Huskers looked fundamentally unsound, meaning badly coached.
Adrian Martinez is a turnover machine.
And who misses 2 out of 3 PATs?
My impression exactly, the game was painful to watch at times. I've always thought Illinois could have a decent program with the right coach. They aren't there yet of course.
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Illinois will get there. They have the right guy now.
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Well I hope Trev has a Ouija Board,Tarot cards and a dowsing rod ready come Dec 1st.Maybe Joey Freshwater will be available by then and I really thought Frost was the guy
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Probably should go all in on Matt Campbell. Gonna need a Brinks truck.
Can probably get him to leave ISU, now that the Big 12 looks to be a dying conference.
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Probably should go all in on Matt Campbell. Gonna need a Brinks truck.
Can probably get him to leave ISU, now that the Big 12 looks to be a dying conference.
Back up the Brinks truck for a guy that can't even beat Kirk Ferentz?
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Back up the Brinks truck for a guy that can't even beat Kirk Ferentz?
Even worse. He might not take it.
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I suppose they could wait on Lance Leipold at Kansas. Or any other coach in that conference.
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Martinez is an okay RB, I guess.
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Both teams looked bad. Both will get better. The game was an argument to avoid difficult 1st games. Just look at all the sunshine being blown at UCLA for beating a hapless Hawaii.
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Probably should go all in on Matt Campbell. Gonna need a Brinks truck.
Can probably get him to leave ISU, now that the Big 12 looks to be a dying conference.
Course he'd still have to play Iowa so there's that 😎
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I think its a bit premature to talk about replacing Frost. Is this something Nebraska’s new AD wants to do?
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I read that if Frost is fired this year, his buyout would be $20 million.
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Back up the Brinks truck for a guy that can't even beat Kirk Ferentz
After Campbell led Iowa State to its best season in program history, (https://247sports.com/Coach/Matt-Campbell-1154)Matt Campbell (https://247sports.com/Coach/Matt-Campbell-1154) is getting respect as one of the top head coaches in college football, let alone the Big 12. In his five seasons as head coach, he’s taken Iowa State from a 3-9 team to one that played in the Big 12 Championship Game and won a New Years Six bowl game. With Iowa State on the verge of possibly another big season, many across the country and the Big 12 conference have taken note of the efforts of Campbell and his staff in Ames.
This week, CBS Sports ranked the Big 12 coaches (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/2021-big-12-coach-rankings-lincoln-riley-remains-at-the-top-but-matt-campbell-is-closing-the-gap/) entering the 2021 season. Ben Kercheval of CBS Sports was tasked with compiling the rankings for the 10 head coaches. After he was ranked as the fourth-best Big 12 head coach entering 2020, Campbell came in as the No. 2-ranked head coach in the conference for the upcoming season. Campbell — who has won the Big 12 Coach of the Year award three times — came in behind Oklahoma's Lincoln Riley (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lincoln-Riley-592) and ahead of Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy (https://247sports.com/Coach/Mike-Gundy-480), TCU's Gary Patterson (https://247sports.com/coach/Gary-Patterson-864) and Kansas' Lance Leipold (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lance-Leipold-3569)."Campbell continues his meteoric rise as he takes Iowa State to rare heights," Kercheval wrote. "Few coaches shot up the rankings as quickly as he did in 2020, and with good reason. Iowa State went 9-3, won the Fiesta Bowl, made it to the Big 12 title game and beat Oklahoma and Texas in the same regular season
Still bitter I pasted your illusions of those terrific Toledo teams he supposedly lead.After backing up the brinks truck for Ferentz what has he really won?2015 they went 12-2 When is the last time he played for a conference title or beat the two best teams in the conference in the same season?Throttles tOSU by 31 then turns around and takes a dump to a Purdue team that was 4-5 in conference.He lost his last 6 games one year - at his salary that shouldn't have happened
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I read that if Frost is fired this year, his buyout would be $20 million.
Evidently Trev is putting away the ouija board,tarot cards,dowsing rod and Joey Freshwater's phone #
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Even worse. He might not take it.
Yeah, don't be like Tennessee and settle for your 22nd choice.
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true, go find someone better than Frost that will no doubt take the job, or .............. hang with what you have
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Realistically, Nebraska is stuck with Frost for now, this season. I'm sort of amazed he could appear to be a pretty good coach previously and now look so ill prepared, perhaps the roster is just not what he needs to perform. Bad apples, lack of unity, dissension, it would be tough for a coach to fix that if it exists.
I saw it my junior year in HS basketball, we had an OK team but with factions. The factions graduated and the next year we had a very good team.
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the roster had all those problems in year #1
this is season #4 - this is Frost's mess
Team Captain QB (junior) Frost's first recruit - fumbles for an opponent TD
Team Captain punt returner (junior) - 2 pts safety and tosses the ball out of the endzone
TE turned (3rd year soph) center snaps ball over QB's head - again
LB Caleb Tannor (Junior) awarded a blackshirt - roughing the passer AND taunting (30 yards) on the same play that negated an INT.
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the roster had all those problems in year #1
this is season #4 - this is Frost's mess
Team Captain QB (junior) Frost's first recruit - fumbles for an opponent TD
Team Captain punt returner (junior) - 2 pts safety and tosses the ball out of the endzone
TE turned (3rd year soph) center snaps ball over QB's head - again
LB Caleb Tannor (Junior) awarded a blackshirt - roughing the passer AND taunting (30 yards) on the same play that negated an INT.
I feel for you @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) , I really do. When I take shots at Frost, I don't mean to be insulting to you or UNL fans in general AT ALL.
I'm trying to look at it from the "If I were a Nebraska fan" perspective. If Nebraska was my team I'd be very frustrated as I'm sure you are.
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I defended Frost for 3 seasons of mistakes and sloppy turnover filled football.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt for the cultural mess left by Riley.
It's on Frost now and it didn't look like ANYTHING changed in game #1.
I was frustrated the past 3 seasons, I'm beyond that now.
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Man how the hell do AD's fall for these ridiculous buyouts - it should all be incentive/performance based.Feel for the 'Skers fans though the HPS might be having some exorcist like moments
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Realistically, Nebraska is stuck with Frost for now, this season. I'm sort of amazed he could appear to be a pretty good coach previously and now look so ill prepared, perhaps the roster is just not what he needs to perform. Bad apples, lack of unity, dissension, it would be tough for a coach to fix that if it exists.
I saw it my junior year in HS basketball, we had an OK team but with factions. The factions graduated and the next year we had a very good team.
Had JF gotten off to a a half way decent start W/L wise recruiting could have ramped up but now........
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Well, it's one game and maybe ....
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I read that Nebraska had a 3rd string QB who transferred to Rutgers and beat out the guy that just defeated Nebraska as the back up QB out of Rutgers that replaced an injured Peters.
That's kind of amazing.
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it's kind of something
not amazing
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I think we should take their "s" as we did for rutgers, "Nebraka".
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We don't need the Nebraka gene here.
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Kinda validates my theory.
All a coach will ever be, he’s probably there by season three.
The more helmety the program the truer the phrase.
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Your Season 3 rhyme may have something to it. But, you might add: "If you want to know more, wait for Season 4."
I was skeptical about Kirk Ferentz when he arrived back in Iowa City. Most of us were looking forward to the U of Iowa hiring Bobby Stoops.
Ferentz started out 4-19.
But,
Year 3 - 7-5.
Year 4 - 11-2
It made me feel better about him.
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Ummm... What?
(https://i.imgur.com/bAnFel5.png)
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Frost might get a call from Osborne after that press conference
taking the heat from the players is always good, but............... that's not the way.
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Who would have ever suspected that Bert would run the ball a lot, and mix in some play action pass, along with the occasional jet sweep?
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especially after the starting QB goes down
Frost was actually talking about the Illlini defense, but..........
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especially after the starting QB goes down
Frost was actually talking about the Illlini defense, but..........
Urban once admitted that he didn't expect Virginia Tech to roll out the "Bear" three man front, and that they had no answer for it.
He lost the game and caught Hell for his inability to make adjustments on the fly. Then he won out to a NC.
So it's not the end of the world that Frost made that honest confession.
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Urban once admitted that he didn't expect Virginia Tech to roll out the "Bear" three man front, and that they had no answer for it.
He lost the game and caught Hell for his inability to make adjustments on the fly. Then he won out to a NC.
So it's not the end of the world that Frost made that honest confession.
No, it isn't but your comparing Scott Frost to Urban Meyer here reminds me of Dan Quayle comparing himself to JFK during his VP debate with Lloyd Bentsen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7gpgXNWYI
The problem isn't one game or even one season, it is this:
- 4-8/3-6 in 2018
- 5-7/3-6 in 2019
- 3-5/3-5 in 2020
- 0-1/0-1 so far in 2021
He is in year four and there is no discernable improvement. His team just lost to the least talented squad in the league and looked unprepared and fundamentally unsound in the loss.
They have Oklahoma, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa still remaining on the schedule (including those last three back-to-back-to-back to end the season).
I see five losses (one already happened, four basically guaranteed). Outside of Fordham this week I don't see a "lock" win. I just can't see them doing better than 5-7.
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5-7 probably get him fired
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We don't need the Nebraka gene here.
You're a cold man 847
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If you were to pinpoint the exact moment it went off the rails, what would it be?
The one that comes to mind for me as an OSU fan was in 2019 when he was 3-1/1-0 hosting OSU. Nebraska was playing them tough early, then Scott frost pulled the option out of his back pocket and they rattle off like three straight 20 yard runs with the FB, HB and QB. OSU had to burn a time out on defense and Frost was looking like a genius, and then on the very next play Martinez(?) threw an armpunt into the endzone that got intercepted. Frost just collapsed into a pile on the ground, and you could just see his soul rip like Ralph Wiggum in the Valentines Day episode of the Simpsons. After that, they just got boat raced off of the field, and limped to a 2-7 finish, and the rest is history.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oiTupZ1m7MQ/hqdefault.jpg)
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Didn't see the Game did they carry Bert off of the field?
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Didn't see the Game did they carry Bert off of the field?
Ooo, they'd better be careful with all that.
He had to be pushing 4 bills.
(https://thespun.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/GettyImages-1234922711-775x465.jpg)
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450 easy
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After Season 4. show him the door.
If he's there for 5, skin the AD alive.
If he persists for 6, throw random fan into the mix.
If he hangs for 7, you are not in Heaven.
If he lasts til 8, you gotta be great.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fkcXq9gFeY
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I'm not watching 25 minutes of that crap!
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Never got into after game coach speak be it damage control or gloating
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a few coaches are entertaining, most are not
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Frost was just going over the film.
If you do watch it, you are going to want to skip the commercials.
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spoiler alert
the film sucked
as did Frost's comments regarding sucky film
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can't say I'm shocked. Always huge risk taking a guy with no head experience in the P5 and little HC experience in small-ball and who was a glorified OC working for an X's & O's guru HC who also runs that side of the ball.
Oregon offense was the brain-child machine of Chip Kelly that basically ran itself. Frost was a head coach for only 2 years playing a bunch of tomato cans in the Sunbelt or AAC or whatever the hell garbage conference they were in.
I'm a little surprised by Frost's lack of success, but not shocked. I am shocked however that it's going on year 7 and Jim Harbaugh sucks.
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I'm not shacked that Frost wasn't very successful, but I thought it would be better than this. 50% winning seems not that difficult
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I figured he should put a credible disciplined team on the field. If they went 7-6 and 8-5, I would not be shocked. I just saw a lot of undis play Sat.
If you can't beat Illinoi with a backup QB, well, ....
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Your Season 3 rhyme may have something to it. But, you might add: "If you want to know more, wait for Season 4."
I was skeptical about Kirk Ferentz when he arrived back in Iowa City. Most of us were looking forward to the U of Iowa hiring Bobby Stoops.
Ferentz started out 4-19.
But,
Year 3 - 7-5.
Year 4 - 11-2
It made me feel better about him.
Looking at the games they had 5 losses.
14-23 13 pts
28-31 3 pts
26-32 6 pts
28-34 4 pts
14-17 3 pts
Very competitive in every game, the difference between 10-12 wins less than a TD in all but one game. I'd say that he was very much on track for a 10-11 win season even then.
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Well if one score losses are a sign that things are pointed in the right direction, Frost is like 5-12 in one score games.
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Close losses are better than blowouts obviously. Some years a team can be "snakebit" with a combination of close losses, key injuries, bad bounces, etc., and still be a pretty decent team, or the foundation for a good team.
I don't see Nebraska being there yet of course.
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snakebit 4 consecutive seasons????
perhaps Michigan fans cursed Frost????
for that infamous Orange bowl postgame plea
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No, Nebbie is not there. At all.
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I figured he should put a credible disciplined team on the field. If they went 7-6 and 8-5, I would not be shocked. I just saw a lot of undis play Sat.
If you can't beat Illinoi with a backup QB, well, ....
I suspect this young man may reflect back on his life and consider the opportunity he passed up at Nebraska in 2021. He is now at Rice. FOOTBALLNebraska backup QB Luke McCaffrey enters transfer portal
(https://huskerstoday.com/nebraska-backup-qb-luke-mccaffrey-enters-transfer-portal/#:~:text=LINCOLN%2C Neb. (AP) — Nebraska backup quarterback Luke,last season%2C the school’s athletic department confirmed Tuesday.)
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Luke could be the starter this Saturday after Adrian's performance last Saturday
especially if Luke had improved his passing over the summer and fall camp
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I have been mulling over what Nebraska could have done with Adrian Martinez.
Nebraska could have done what Iowa did in 1968, especially if they had done better at player retention with last year's backup QB.
Eddie Podolak, who had been Iowa's starting QB in 1967 was moved to tailback for his 1968 senior season. Podolak was not a great passer, but he could throw some.
Podolak had a great senior season running the ball, and catching a few passes, with over 1,125 yards. He also threw the ball for another 261 yards, some of those option run/pass from his tailback position. Some of the older guys will recall Podolak had a long career with the Kansas City Chiefs.
I don't know who rides the pine behind Martinez, that could step up to play QB.
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Logan Smothers made his Husker debut by playing a little more than a quarter in Nebraska's win over Fordham. Smothers completed 4-of-7 passes for 50 yards and rushed four times for 36 yards.
2020 (Freshman)
Smothers did not play in a game in his first season at Nebraska, but he was a member of the travel roster for all five road games in 2020.
Before Nebraska (Muscle Shoals HS)
Smothers was a star high school quarterback in Alabama for four years. Smothers played his senior season at Muscle Shoals High School after his father, Shane, became the Trojans’ offensive coordinator. Logan played his first three seasons at Athens High School.
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as poorly as Martinez played and has played, I don't think Logan Smothers is a better option at this point
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I had a nice conversation with Ed Podolak in the hotel lobby in Lincoln before a Hawk/Husker game a few years back. I recognized him immediately and his voice.
I had to tell the youngsters who he was and what he had accomplished on the field. and a few of the young folks were Chief's fans
Seemed like a great guy.
I was wearing RED, he obviously was not.
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I had a nice conversation with Ed Podolak in the hotel lobby in Lincoln before a Hawk/Husker game a few years back. I recognized him immediately and his voice.
I had to tell the youngsters who he was and what he had accomplished on the field. and a few of the young folks were Chief's fans
Seemed like a great guy.
I was wearing RED, he obviously was not.
Nice story. Eddie Podolak was one of my football heroes when I was 10 and 11 years old. He is an articulate color commentator. I think he had over 300-yards total offense in the longest NFL game against Miami, if I remember my history correctly.
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Oof. Illinois is now 1-2, losing to UTSA ( yes, Texas San Antonio) and UVA.
I guess we will really see what they’re made of in a week with OU. I’d love to see NU win this game.
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not anywhere close to OU's level
I'd like to see UNL keep it respectable into the 2nd half
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Pardon my lack of knowledge but what kind of offense does UNL run these days? I assume it's not an option oriented approach anymore like the great teams of the 90's and up through the Solich days.
Seems kind of funny that UNL got away from the type of football that made them great, not sure the reasons why but it seems like they've been wandering the desert ever since.
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Scott Frost, who won a few games with the option back in the 90's as a player, doesn't consider a fullback or the option a good offense.
He tried to run the spread RPO offense that he ran at Oregon and for 2 seasons at UCF. He learned that didn't work so well in the Big Ten. It's still the fundamental offense, but he's incorporated more power run elements.
The O-line is young and not playing well. The QB play from Martinez hasn't been great. Nothing like McKenzie Milton at UCF. Therefore, the offense has struggled.
as for the option, there are elements and plays that use the option and even the triple option with the RB, QB, and WR. but, it's not a staple.
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You just have to hold them under 40, in accordance to the whole theory of "twelving."
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Nebraska linebacker Luke Reimer was honored by the Big Ten as the conference’s defensive player of the week for his performance against Buffalo.
Reimer led a strong defensive effort for the Huskers by making 16 tackles — seven solo — and added an interception in the second half. Reimer returned the interception to the Buffalo 1-yard-line and helped set up a touchdown run that put Nebraska ahead 21-3 in the fourth quarter.
The 16 tackles by Reimer are tied for the third-most by an FBS linebacker this season, and were the most by a Nebraska defender since the 2015 season.
“We have seen that from Luke since his first day here,” Nebraska head coach Scott Frost said about Reimer after the game on Saturday. “Kid from Northwest 12th Street in Lincoln. (He) lives eight houses from my parents. We were lucky enough to get him to walk on and it was about the second day we figured we should have scholarship’d him and he is going to make a lot of plays around here.”
Reimer leads Nebraska with 28 tackles through three games this season, and has added an interception, forced fumble and pass defended.