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Title: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
More cancel culture.  
Yost didn't let a black player play vs GT, probably for his safety or something.  Tough call, may or may not have made the wrong decision in 1934.  19 freaking 34.  Yost died in 1946.  
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A guy wasn't woke in 1934 so his name should be removed, right?  
This is so dumb.  It's like the death of history.
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If someone imperfect (ie- everyone) has a statue or something or their name on a brick-and-mortar building, a curious kid may ask, "Who was ________?"  You tell them why they have something still standing or their name carved into stone and then you add in the extra stuff, which may or may not be flattering.
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This isn't hard.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 24, 2021, 05:20:09 PM
Great post.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MrNubbz on May 24, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
On a Blue Board they're not real upset as Yost had nothing to do with Hockey
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: ELA on May 24, 2021, 11:33:41 PM
I don't see why some people can't see the difference between those who openly declared war against our country, and a guy whose views were probably moderate for the times, and maybe didn't age great.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 25, 2021, 02:53:59 AM
Posers.

Real wokesters would get his wins stricken from the record books.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MaximumSam on May 25, 2021, 07:33:56 AM
Not exactly "leaders and best" 

It is very interesting - this was not some sort of decision everyone was happy with and then retconned 80 years later. People were mad as hell at the time.

http://mvictors.com/ebay-watch-the-willis-ward-protests-1934/
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 27, 2021, 06:21:43 PM
If the Caucasoid SJWs were to successfully cancel Yost and get all of his wins vacated, it would put a pretty big dent in their helmet status. 

Gone would be 165 wins including 6 National Championships and two additional undefeated seasons, 10 Big Ten Titles, a win in the first ever Rose Bowl, 16 wins vs Ohio St, 16 wins vs Michigan St, 2 wins vs Notre Dame, and 10 wins vs Minnesota. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 27, 2021, 06:43:33 PM
It'd be great if everyone from the past knew how things would shake out and all of their actions would be revealed as right by future generations.....but that lays too much on them.
It was a no-win situation.  GA Tech was in the wrong.  Yost happened to not rise to the opportunity. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on May 27, 2021, 07:48:12 PM
Ga Tech players would have reacted "badly" to a "colored" player on the opponent's team.  

That was a time few of us can imagine, fortunately, but should try and understand and learn about.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: bayareabadger on May 27, 2021, 10:55:01 PM
If the Caucasoid SJWs were to successfully cancel Yost and get all of his wins vacated, it would put a pretty big dent in their helmet status.

Gone would be 165 wins including 6 National Championships and two additional undefeated seasons, 10 Big Ten Titles, a win in the first ever Rose Bowl, 16 wins vs Ohio St, 16 wins vs Michigan St, 2 wins vs Notre Dame, and 10 wins vs Minnesota.
This is an odd part of our culture. We take something that's relatively dumb (throwing a fit over this incident) and drag it out to the most backwild limit so it can offend us. As if vacating wins actually matters in the first place.

(The turning of "cancel culture" into a one-sided thing has been a triumph of branding, for sure. As if declaring certain things unacceptable and shouting them down ain't the most bipartisan thing possible)
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MaximumSam on May 28, 2021, 06:19:12 AM
Ga Tech players would have reacted "badly" to a "colored" player on the opponent's team. 

That was a time few of us can imagine, fortunately, but should try and understand and learn about.
In the era of WW2, there were people who believed a master white race should remain at the top? I feel like I learned that somewhere.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 28, 2021, 07:45:11 AM
Godwin's Law always wins.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MaximumSam on May 28, 2021, 08:49:09 AM
Godwin's Law always wins.
It is especially great when people were comparing Yost to Hitler at the time, and while Hitler was in power.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 28, 2021, 09:09:16 AM
Well yeah, but that was because he was the HC of the Wolverines.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 09:12:52 AM
Open and wide spread racism was notable when I was a kid in the 1960s.  And it was not solely in the South.  White players would have tried to hurt a black player on an opposing team, maybe a bit less so by 1968, but certainly in 1934.  It was accepted, "politically correct", and politicians got elected by openly espousing it.

I remember when Jimmy Carter was elected governor, he had run what I considered a racist campaign, but he gave his inaugural address that changed that perception, for me anyway, and made a lot of enemies.  Carter's opponent was a Republican who I thought was quite moderate and sensible, Hal somebody, who was a local TV reporter and commentator.

He had no chance, none.

I've noted before how shocked, literally, I have been en famille in France among highly educated people who are very frank and open about their racism.

It's not done here, at all, ever, in my experience.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MrNubbz on May 28, 2021, 10:23:09 AM
Open and wide spread racism was notable when I was a kid in the 1960s.  And it was not solely in the South.  White players would have tried to hurt a black player on an opposing team, maybe a bit less so by 1968, but certainly in 1934.  It was accepted, "politically correct", and politicians got elected by openly espousing it.
When we played in H.S. there was only 1 time I remember anyone deliberately trying to take out a black player.And it was because he was a cornerback who threw mud in the blockers eyes on sweeps to his side - repeatedly.He got his - It wasn't racial - it was warrented they would have stomped him regardless
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 10:28:43 AM
By the time I got to UGA, it was "no big deal" among students that I could discern.  I'm sure some were racist, but they kept it to themselves, 1972-1975.

I played volleyball with some of the Dawg FB players, black and white, and they seemed to get along just fine.  I once spiked our tight end in the face and was upset with myself, but he laughed it off, and later spiked me in the face, pretty hard, not intentionally, it was part of the game.  I was teared up though.  It was a smack.

The fact he was  black was irrelevant.  Things changed fairly quickly in some respects.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: ELA on May 28, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
When we played in H.S. there was only 1 time I remember anyone deliberately trying to take out a black player.And it was because he was a cornerback who threw mud in the blockers eyes on sweeps to his side - repeatedly.He got his - It wasn't racial - it was warrented they would have stomped him regardless
We had incidents whenever we played Howell, to the point that we stopped playing them entirely.

But Howell has its own reputation for sure.  Feel free to research it.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Temp430 on June 01, 2021, 06:29:07 AM
In 1934 Michigan’s football team was integrated unlike most of the Big Ten at that time.  So I have a hard time buying that AD Yost was a racist.  The deal Yost struck with GA Tech was a business decision that allowed the game to be played and included Tech having to bench their star player.  Second guessing the decision some 80+ years later is a cheap shot and smells like virtue signaling by the committee.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MaximumSam on June 01, 2021, 07:06:32 AM
If they are have to name a building why not name it after Willis Ward. To be obviously one of the best players, and to go through unimaginable bullshit his entire life just to be allowed to participate, and then went on to become an attorney and judge.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 01, 2021, 08:28:33 AM
Very few white folks in  the 1930s were not "racists" using the current definition, north or south.  It was a widely shared belief that blacks were inferior and only equipped for menial jobs etc.  It took a long time for that to start to change, for some.

Lincoln was a racist.  I'd guess Yost was a racist like everyone else around him.  
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: MaximumSam on June 01, 2021, 08:39:53 AM
It changed because of people like Willis Ward. Which seems a heck of a lot more impressive than winning rec ball quality football games like Fielding Yost did.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 01, 2021, 09:26:31 AM
I think one fact in changing was desegregation of the military,  Folks served in units with black men and "discovered" they were pretty much the same.

Jackie Robinson in my view merits all the credit and acclaim he gets today.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 01, 2021, 07:03:13 PM
Very few white folks in  the 1930s were not "racists" using the current definition, north or south.  It was a widely shared belief that blacks were inferior and only equipped for menial jobs etc.  It took a long time for that to start to change, for some.
You could easily be describing today with this post.  
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 01, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
Florida putting end to 'Gator Bait' cheer, band performance due to racist history of term

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29329250/university-florida-putting-end-gator-bait-cheer-band-performance-due-racist-history

African American babies were used as alligator bait, according to the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia (https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/may.htm) at Ferris State University, citing newspaper articles and imagery from the late 1800s and early 20th century. The term "alligator bait" was also used as a racial slur against African Americans.




(https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/images/may/licoricedroplarge.jpg)
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: ELA on June 01, 2021, 10:32:03 PM
Well that one seems obvious.

And also, my God, humans suck.  We should probably stop naming anything after any of us.  Not even slightly joking.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 01, 2021, 10:37:49 PM
A black player (Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright) popularized that phrase/cheer in the mid-90s.  
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My granny had an interesting name for brazil nuts.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 01, 2021, 10:52:07 PM
same as my grandfather
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: ELA on June 01, 2021, 10:56:14 PM
A black player (Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright) popularized that phrase/cheer in the mid-90s. 
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My granny had an interesting name for brazil nuts.
And they couldn't even cast him in Django?
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 12:33:10 AM
Personally, I think we can give certain words and symbols too much power.  I think everything that becomes taboo should be repurposed in a harmless way.  
The only problem with that is when there are enough idiots who still follow the old, horrific agendas of them.
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Example:  swastikas are solely used for diaper linings or something, as a patter.  Tiny ones.  
3 generations later, that symbol simply conjures a diaper, not hatred, stupidity, and genocide.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Abba on June 02, 2021, 12:50:52 AM
In IT, we are changing some classical terms, with mixed results so far.  For example, white list and black list were common terms to indicate presence or absence of a value.  Now the proper terms are allow list and block list.  I've tried saying those, but so far in my conversations with developers, after trying the new terms, I usually have to explain the change.  We'll see if this one sticks or not.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 02, 2021, 01:51:47 AM
A black player (Thorpe Award winner Lawrence Wright) popularized that phrase/cheer in the mid-90s. 


Sure, but that doesn't make it okay to hurl racial slurs at opposing teams, anymore than if you overheard a black player deploy the n-word as a term of endearment. 

Gator bait is toast. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 03:04:59 AM
I was just sharing.  Everything isn't a "nyuh-uh!"
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 02, 2021, 03:24:15 AM
Um hum. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
When words take on highly negative connotations, one's use of them conveys those connotations, even if it's unwitting.  If I call you a "banana" today, it means nothing, but at some point it COULD mean something highly charged, and you'd take it as such.  Our vocabulary is fluid, and meanings change.

You bad.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2021, 08:42:54 AM
words are words, they may or may not convey what is intended

if it's unwitting, it's obviously innocent, but that doesn't mean it's harmless

without needed punctuation, tone, inflection, context words get misunderstood

text messaging is famous for this

we obviously see this on this message board frequently 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2021, 09:49:59 AM
When words take on highly negative connotations, one's use of them conveys those connotations, even if it's unwitting.  If I call you a "banana" today, it means nothing, but at some point it COULD mean something highly charged, and you'd take it as such.  Our vocabulary is fluid, and meanings change.

You bad.
Banana is already a racial slur.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2021, 09:58:15 AM
So is fruitcake. But I still love it. Bananas too.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 02, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
Dag, so everyone is all up in here just belting out racial slurs now? 

Fro, Cincydawg, AlphaBeta, Badge... :o
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2021, 11:05:02 AM
You are cherry-picking. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 02, 2021, 11:40:57 AM
Now we are going there? Sexist "cherry" talk? 

Man, what is this place becoming? :-[
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2021, 11:53:59 AM
Heh, funny.  I can't keep up, don't really try.  I'm old.

I still believe most people are good and most large organizations are bad.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2021, 12:16:26 PM
large organizations are run by billionaires

it seems to be fashionable with young liberals such as my daughters and their friends to hate billionaires

hating because of a certain amount of money is good, but hating for any other reason besides political affiliation is bad.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 02:57:29 PM
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire.  
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
Many are.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
I doubt their priority is (more) money.  They obviously would consider their wealth and how to retain it, but they have People for that.  Some of them spend most of their effort trying to give it away beneficially.  I am careful not to over generalize about some group of people though.

It's pretty easy to demonize a group when you don't know any of them personally.  One can leap to conclusions and think it's "obvious" when it isn't.  Prejudice.

I know one personally, her concerns are her kids and grandkids and her health, along with being a silent benefactor in her area.  She has always been very gracious and considerate to me.  Her husband made the fortune.  And indeed she has People to worry about it.  I have met some of them as well, one of them anyway.

Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 

some oops at birth with the silver spoon

doesn't make them evil

just like oopsing at birth as a white person doesn't make them racist
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 04:10:17 PM
The number of people who were born into being a billionaire, worldwide, in the history of earth, can be counted on your fingers and toes.
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Many of you seriously need to take a class on sample size.  
Cincy, knowing 1 billionaire personally doesn't trump someone else knowing none.  
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But I know, I'm wrong, because I don't just go along with an "mm hmm" to whatever you choose to post.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 04:17:23 PM


just like oopsing at birth as a white person doesn't make them racist
Who has ever said that?
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2021, 04:17:59 PM
Billionaires aren't evil, it's just that their priority is money.  None of you seemed to agree with me a couple of months back, but it's true.  No one oopses into becoming a billionaire. 
They have many big decisions along the way, and at each fork in the road, they chose more wealth.
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This isn't radical.  It's obvious.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
In my opinion, the goal isn't money... Money is the scorecard by which they measure achieving their goal.

Note that in this statement, I'm referring to your typical entrepreneur billionaire, your typical Bill Gates / Jeff Bezos / Steve Job / Elon Musk sort of guy. Also including guys like the former POTUS. There are billionaires who inherited a fortune and are using it to build a bigger fortune. That's a little different IMHO, because those people aren't really driven by achievements. And then there are folks like Cincy's friend, or people like Bezos' ex or Melinda Gates, who aren't "billionaires" in the sense that they earned it. Another special case...

In a lot of ways, being an entrepreneur billionaire is like being an NFL QB. Those NFL QBs are NOT driven by their priority being money--they're driven by winning, but it seems that ever time one of the better ones is up for contract renegotiation, they want to be the highest-paid QB in the NFL. Is it because they need or even care about the money? No, it's because they think they're the best, and the best should be the highest paid, right?

Most entrepreneur billionaires are, IMHO, egomaniacs who are driven by competition and winning more than they are driven by money. But if you can be a winner AND a billionaire, it's a lot better than being a winner and a millionaire, right? 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Having that much money is not always a good thing for some.  You have issues the rest of us don't, like kidnapping and whatnot.

Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
The number of people who were born into being a billionaire, worldwide, in the history of earth, can be counted on your fingers and toes.
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

maybe 20 or 30 years ago

I'd guess there are plenty of politicians in DC that are billionaires
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2021, 04:47:51 PM
Number of billionaires around the world in 2019, by wealth source

[th]Source of wealth[/th]
[th]Number of billionaires[/th]
Self-made1,639
Inherited / self-made836
Inherited350


Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2021, 05:01:38 PM
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

maybe 20 or 30 years ago

I'd guess there are plenty of politicians in DC that are billionaires
I might agree with you on "vast wealth", but not always on billionaires... That's pretty rarified air, and becoming a billionaire is a new enough phenomenon that not as many as you think have had time to die and pass it on yet lol... I.e. Buffett's kids may be billionaires someday, but he ain't dead yet. 

A lot of billionaires don't leave billions to their kids... They don't leave their kids in poverty, but many put their money into building their legacy (philanthropy, etc) rather than putting it in their kids' hands. And even those barely-billionaires who want to put it in their kids' hands may have multiple kids, splitting it up where each kid is sub-$1B net worth after they croak. 

And I doubt many politicians in DC are billionaires. Graft is profitable, but not THAT profitable--people notice. Maybe a few are the spouses of billionaires, but few would be on their own. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
Number of billionaires around the world in 2019, by wealth source

Source of wealth
Number of billionaires

Self-made
1,639

Inherited / self-made
836

Inherited
350





350 people inherited $1 billion+ or merely inherited some wealth? 
Posting  a link with 3 numbers on it isn't helpful. 
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2021, 08:49:58 PM
I'm guessing the number of people born into vast wealth outnumber the number of folks that built that weath, by a wide margin

Think the Sam Walton's kids, or Warren Buffet's children
so, you're saying there are fewer than 20 billionaires?

Everyone here wants respect, yet this is what you got from my post?  How am I to respect it or think you're conversing in good faith?
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
I presume "inherited/self made" is pretty obvious, so "inherited" covers the other possibility.

350 of them, it's not that uncommon these days.  The Waltons make for 5 or 6 of them.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2021, 10:38:22 AM
Everyone here wants respect, yet this is what you got from my post?  How am I to respect it or think you're conversing in good faith?
Dude, you stated, "can be counted on fingers and toes"
and there were more than 1,000 2 years ago.
Hell, I didn't know there where that many, but I assumed I couldn't count them with 20 digits
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2021, 01:07:53 PM
The most current number for billionaries is over 2,700 globally.  Quite a few inherited it obviously, some inherited say half a bil and doubled it.  And some made it from scratch.

Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
Okay, so I said few inherited a billion $.  
Find another chart with 3 numbers and no context to dispute that, please.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 04, 2021, 01:56:37 PM
Dude, you stated, "can be counted on fingers and toes"

You're completely whiffing on the _________ can be counted on fingers and toes.  The subject of the post:  people who inherited $1 billion+.  
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2021, 01:58:19 PM
WealthX Billionaire Census: Majority of world's billionaires self-made (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/wealthx-billionaire-census-majority-of-worlds-billionaires-self-made.html)

There are 2,604 billionaires in the world, and 55.8% of them are self-made. 
That’s according to the Billionaire Census published Thursday by market research firm Wealth-X (http://go.wealthtwitter.com/l/311771/2019-05-08/c297y).

Taken together, self-made billionaires have a total of nearly $5 trillion.
Another 30.9% of billionaires made at least some of their wealth themselves, according to the report, while 13.3% inherited their wealth entirely.



What is 13.3% of 2,604, Alex?

Would it be over 300?  Yup.  It's a low percentage, but a substantial absolute figure.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2021, 09:43:35 AM
I ever get that lucky, I'll throw a party in Lincoln on a fall weekend for all y'all

fingers crossed
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2021, 10:31:12 AM
If we have 2,700 of them in the world, they are a rare breed (duh).   If only 13% inherited it, that is somewhat encouraging if the rest made it, even if they started with a nice pile.  I think one needs to start a company that goes public and then is very successful to get there, in general, you won't get there on salary.  Even a CEO with $50 million a year compensation won't get there unless the company gets bought at a large premium or something weird happens.

Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2021, 12:35:00 PM
I was pretty happy 5 years ago when I hit a million. Now I'm happier.

I could not even fathom being a billionaire. Or even getting to $10 Mil. Not happening.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2021, 01:55:18 PM
I figured quite a while back that with $20 million, a person can do just about anything quasi-rational you might like to do.  This was when bonds were paying 5% or so, so you get a mil a year income pretax.  Aside from buying property and cars or planes or boats, believe it or not, you can live fairly well on a mil a year.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2021, 04:04:10 PM
I don't need a Mil per year to live well. $200K would be fine.
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2021, 04:12:03 PM
The wife had one "luxury item" she'd enjoy, someone to cook meals at night, even if 3 times a week.  Some of the top chefs in Paris were doing this when their places were closed, it was not THAT expensive.

She has a maid service every two weeks.  I think that is reasonable, I think she pays $130 each time.  They do a good job.

I'd like to be able to buy first class plane tickets overseas without thinking about it.  I can't justify the $5 K overage at all.  Times two.  I actually am fine with our lifestyle, if I had oodles of money I'd be working on making useful donations.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 05, 2021, 04:55:13 PM
The wife had one "luxury item" she'd enjoy, someone to cook meals at night, even if 3 times a week.  Some of the top chefs in Paris were doing this when their places were closed, it was not THAT expensive.

She has a maid service every two weeks.  I think that is reasonable, I think she pays $130 each time.  They do a good job.

I'd like to be able to buy first class plane tickets overseas without thinking about it.  I can't justify the $5 K overage at all.  Times two.  I actually am fine with our lifestyle, if I had oodles of money I'd be working on making useful donations.
If I had the money NOW with kids in the house, especially if for whatever reason (being an entrepreneur, etc) I was still working, I'd absolutely do the private chef thing. I like cooking, but sometimes on a weeknight with kids, I just don't want to do it.

I don't think I'd do that in retirement though. I enjoy cooking quite a bit, and so does my wife. I think we'd be happy cooking for ourselves, and going out to dinner when we didn't want to cook.

Absolutely yes on the maid service. Cleaning isn't hard, but I just don't want to do it. 

And absolutely yes on the flying first class. I've only flown first class sporadically [domestically] and because I've gotten upgrades due to status when I traveled more often, but I'd do it every single time I got on an airplane if money wasn't an issue. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2021, 05:07:44 PM
First class domestic isn't nearly like first class overseas, Delta One, full recline, your own bed ...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 05, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
First class domestic isn't nearly like first class overseas, Delta One, full recline, your own bed ...
So I've heard... I've only experienced domestic, and it was SO much better than coach that I can only imagine what international is like...
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 08:06:46 AM
France is open to folks vaccinated June 9.  I priced tickets ATL-> CDG in Oct to check.

$1,135 economy ( a good price really, but odds are good you'll be near screaming kids)
$1,303  economy comfort (we usually choose this level)
$1,645 premium select (this is about like first class domestic, or business class in the olden times)
$4,253 Delta One (this usually is over $5K, I've seen in the sevens)

A reason to upgrade some, aside from leg room, is to get away from kids.  Prices are relatively low right now.

I booked Hawaii a month ago in Dec. and first class tickets were $1650 or so, that is the normal economy class fare.  This is domestic FC, not Delta One, goes through LAX.

Were I wealthy, I'd just blow the extra $3K times 2 and not worry about it.  But I always think "Man, I could do stuff with the extra $5k ...

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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 06, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
We always do premium economy.
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 09:11:39 AM
We do economy comfort going to France.  I'm looking at a trip to SE Asia and the wife wants the full monte, which is pricey.

I would go premium select maybe and tell her it's first class.  Ha.

These expensive French trophy wives ....:)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 06, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
The premium economy seats we booked to Munich are like what used to be business. On American, there are only two seats next to each other on the sides, which I like.

(https://i.imgur.com/KhixkTh.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on June 06, 2021, 10:38:21 AM
I was pretty happy 5 years ago when I hit a million. Now I'm happier.

I could not even fathom being a billionaire. Or even getting to $10 Mil. Not happening.
I hit a million last year.

and I live comfortably on less than 50K a year
us humble poor dirt farmer types don't think much about in-house cooks and maids and first class traveling 
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 11:39:09 AM
In a good location, one can live nicely on $50 K a year if your domicile is paid for.  My SS payment each month is sizeable too.

I realize I paid a ton into it over the years.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 06, 2021, 11:43:29 AM
house has been paid for more than 7-8 years

vehicles have been paid for more than 5 years

no debt is important to me

looking forward to cashing my first SS check, but that might not be for close to ten years.  Gotta try to live that long.
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
You are in great shape then.  It helps enormously to have manageable expectations.

You may find you have more than you figured after retirement in a few years and be able to think about some things you dreamt about doing.
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Post by: bayareabadger on June 06, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
I was pretty happy 5 years ago when I hit a million. Now I'm happier.

I could not even fathom being a billionaire. Or even getting to $10 Mil. Not happening.
When you say a million, how do you mean?
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Post by: MaximumSam on June 06, 2021, 07:58:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9t3ez_LU6Y
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 10:10:07 PM
I'd say a million in net worth means you passed a million, counting your house and a few other items, could be just your retirement portfolio also depending.

Part of how much you need to retire comfortably is how old you are when you retire, aside from living expenses.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 06, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
for me it was just retirement portfolio
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2021, 11:02:44 PM
The problem of course is that a regular IRA is pretax, it might not be worth the same as a million dollars after tax.

The tax man wants his share.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2021, 06:53:37 AM
When you say a million, how do you mean?
In investments/retirement accounts.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 07, 2021, 11:31:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xDWaOumCPU
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Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2021, 12:12:32 PM
so, the loser of the Frost/Harbaugh game in Lincoln on October 9th is in big trouble with Finny
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2021, 12:36:45 PM
Finebaum of course has to sound decisive to hold "fans".

I trust the folks here more, a lot more.
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Post by: MrNubbz on June 07, 2021, 12:42:08 PM
C'mon CD,you telling me a guy who went to Tennessee but morphed into a Tide Fan may have a strange slant?
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2021, 12:45:08 PM
I don't think his slant is "strange", I find it "predictable marketing".  If he said boring things, he wouldn't be on TV.  Nobody holds him to account anyway.

Say outrageous things and get noticed.  It works.  Doesn't mean he is any more prescient about the future than you are.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2021, 12:58:50 PM
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Post by: bayareabadger on June 07, 2021, 02:23:51 PM
In investments/retirement accounts.
Gotcha. 

I’m working up on that front, but a healthy chunk of that will some day be a down payment for a house. Ideally if this maybe bubble pops. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on June 07, 2021, 02:25:17 PM
so, the loser of the Frost/Harbaugh game in Lincoln on October 9th is in big trouble with Finny
I mean, One or both are going to be in trouble with their fans unless something changes.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2021, 02:37:49 PM
Gotcha.

I’m working up on that front, but a healthy chunk of that will some day be a down payment for a house. Ideally if this maybe bubble pops.
Good to know.


We've had a big boost in the market in the last 5 years. Not gonna see what we saw last year again, I doubt.

Also had a big boost when I started selling off chunks of my shares to younger, proven employees. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 07, 2021, 02:58:06 PM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/197609452_4140410802662964_9079275097283726283_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=dkxL4lq3MtQAX_nRGCO&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=a9d75b84ddd15f56d05b9d0e1bb9ff9b&oe=60E4FA68)
The Lions will finish ahead of Indiana, who will finish ahead of the Wolverines. 
The Badgers will finish ahead of Iowa. 
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Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2021, 03:16:55 PM
you know more than 10,000 simulations???
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Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
France is open to folks vaccinated June 9.  I priced tickets ATL-> CDG in Oct to check.

$1,135 economy ( a good price really, but odds are good you'll be near screaming kids)
$1,303  economy comfort (we usually choose this level)
$1,645 premium select (this is about like first class domestic, or business class in the olden times)
$4,253 Delta One (this usually is over $5K, I've seen in the sevens)

A reason to upgrade some, aside from leg room, is to get away from kids.  Prices are relatively low right now.

I booked Hawaii a month ago in Dec. and first class tickets were $1650 or so, that is the normal economy class fare.  This is domestic FC, not Delta One, goes through LAX.

Were I wealthy, I'd just blow the extra $3K times 2 and not worry about it.  But I always think "Man, I could do stuff with the extra $5k ...


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Post by: MrNubbz on June 07, 2021, 05:12:16 PM

Capable of flying at speeds of Mach 1.7 – twice the speed of today's fastest airliners – 

Like Bob Hope once said about Concord  - Gives you an extra 3 hrs to find your luggage
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 07, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
you know more than 10,000 simulations???
Only time will tell... 
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Post by: utee94 on June 07, 2021, 05:40:25 PM
The only thing more uncomfortable than looking at Paul Finebaum, is listening to him...

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Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2021, 06:16:00 PM
I don't listen or look at him intentionally 
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Post by: ELA on June 09, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
I don't listen or look at him intentionally

You sound like his wife, probably
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Post by: ELA on June 09, 2021, 05:43:13 PM
Looks like Michigan might have bigger problems with other former coaches as of tomorrow morning
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Post by: MrNubbz on June 09, 2021, 05:56:45 PM
Piqued my interest so I went to MGOBoard,Oh Boy I hope thats not accurate
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2021, 06:00:52 PM
Does not look good at all. Makes me wonder how much of this shit went on, like everywhere?
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Post by: MaximumSam on June 09, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
Does not look good at all. Makes me wonder how much of this shit went on, like everywhere?
Same. OSU, MSU, UM, PSU all had documented longtime sexual abusers, and I tend to think it's unlikely the issue is limited to them.
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Post by: ELA on June 09, 2021, 06:22:58 PM
Does not look good at all. Makes me wonder how much of this shit went on, like everywhere?
Maybe.

Granted, given the current climate, I *hope* most serial abusers have been outed by this point, but I would have said that 15 months ago too, shortly before the UM scandal broke.

The other side is that it takes a perp, and while it may not have actually gone on everywhere, I think it's true that it COULD HAVE gone on anywhere, if someone had taken advantage of the opportunity.

MSU just got a major donation over the offseason, and part of it involves renaming the court after Izzo once he retires.  I can't think of anything dumber at this point, than confidently naming anything after anyone.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2021, 06:25:22 PM
Maybe I'll make a donation of $25 to get my name on Schembechler Hall.
Title: Re: UM removing Yost's name from hockey arena?
Post by: ELA on June 09, 2021, 06:27:11 PM
Maybe I'll make a donation of $25 to get my name on Schembechler Hall.
I have to check the math, but you might have a better Rose Bowl record, so $25 should do
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 09, 2021, 07:06:35 PM


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"'Not Good'? Kind of an understatement, isn't it." 
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Post by: ELA on June 09, 2021, 08:28:41 PM
Chris Hanson was ahead of his time