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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2020, 05:17:04 PM
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Texas boards reporting Hermann is finished. One guy they all seem to be clamoring for: Urban.
Urban would make his Florida/OSU powerhouse teams look like light weights if he landed in Austin imo. Austin is a way nicer college town/city than either of those cities, no offense- and quite frankly he'd be able to get whoever the F he wanted out of Texas and California and then go take top kids from Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, and everywhere else like he's always done.
They have the money it would take. Would the Texas higher-ups be up for it though? Would Urban even go back to coaching? Urban at Texas would be something crazy to see.
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Matt Campbell is already there. Don't let him leave town.
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Matt Campbell is already there. Don't let him leave town.
he's #1 on my replace Harbaugh list. But I don't think Harbaugh is leaving.
If I was Texas I would just throw like $12 million a year at Urban and give him a fully guaranteed 5 year contract.
They are guaranteed 1 Chip in those 5 years if they do that.
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Matt Campbell is basically another Tom Herman-- upsets some good teams, loses to teams he has no business losing to. This ISU team lost to ULaLa just two months ago.
I'm certainly done with Tom Herman. He is what he is, he's had plenty of talent, and he has demonstrated his ceiling.
I don't know if Urban Meyer wants to coach again. I don't know if he wants to coach at Texas.
I think if you're Texas' AD, you certainly make a competitive offer and make him tell you no.
I honestly don't get excited about any other coaches that are being mentioned. I don't think any of them have any more upside than Tom Herman.
Sucking sucks.
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Matt Campbell is basically another Tom Herman-- upsets some good teams, loses to teams he has no business losing to. This ISU team lost to ULaLa just two months ago.
Not sure I agree with that.
Herman went 22-4 at Houston, playing in the AAC, against mostly tomato cans. He had two years of being a head coach, at a small program in a horrible conference. He looked promising, but there really wasn't a lot to go on there.
Campbell has been at Iowa State since 2016, and has already been named Big 12 coach of the year twice. He's coaching in a much tougher conference against much tougher teams than Herman did at Houston. And aside from his really bad first year at 3-9, Iowa State has gone 8-5, 8-5, 7-6, and are now 7-2 (7-1 in conference). And he's done this at Iowa State- in a Power 5 conference- and at one of the toughest places in the country in the P5 to win at. Iowa State is the #2 team in it's own state- a state that produces virtually no talent. Any 5*, 4*, or high 3* kid from Iowa that gets an Iowa offer- more likely than not goes to Iowa. And there is very few of these FBS D-1 type recruits in Iowa year after year. Campbell is working magic at Iowa State.
Herman is at Texas, with every advantage under the sun, and he can't even outperform Campbell.
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Not sure I agree with that.
Herman went 22-4 at Houston, playing in the AAC, against mostly tomato cans. He had two years of being a head coach, at a small program in a horrible conference. He looked promising, but there really wasn't a lot to go on there.
Campbell has been at Iowa State since 2016, and has already been named Big 12 coach of the year twice. He's coaching in a much tougher conference against much tougher teams than Herman did at Houston. And aside from his really bad first year at 3-9, Iowa State has gone 8-5, 8-5, 7-6, and are now 7-2 (7-1 in conference). And he's done this at Iowa State- in a Power 5 conference- and at one of the toughest places in the country in the P5 to win at. Iowa State is the #2 team in it's own state- a state that produces virtually no talent. Any 5*, 4*, or high 3* kid from Iowa that gets an Iowa offer- more likely than not goes to Iowa. And there is very few of these FBS D-1 type recruits in Iowa year after year. Campbell is working magic at Iowa State.
Herman is at Texas, with every advantage under the sun, and he can't even outperform Campbell.
Campbell lost to ULaLa. You're welcome to him, I sure as shit don't want him at Texas.
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Texas boards reporting Hermann is finished. One guy they all seem to be clamoring for: Urban.
Urban would make his Florida/OSU powerhouse teams look like light weights if he landed in Austin imo. Austin is a way nicer college town/city than either of those cities, no offense- and quite frankly he'd be able to get whoever the F he wanted out of Texas and California and then go take top kids from Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, and everywhere else like he's always done.
They have the money it would take. Would the Texas higher-ups be up for it though? Would Urban even go back to coaching? Urban at Texas would be something crazy to see.
Would UM be successful at UTA? Sure. But we can do without the hyperbole, lol.
His winning % at Florida and OSU was .860. He already has the best career win% in the post-WWII era. He's not going to magically win every game as HC of Texas.
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Campbell lost to ULaLa. You're welcome to him, I sure as shit don't want him at Texas.
He also beat Texas last year 2 years in a row. At Iowa State. You're right, he's beneath you 'Horns.
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Matt Campbell is basically another Tom Herman-- upsets some good teams, loses to teams he has no business losing to. This ISU team lost to ULaLa just two months ago.
Eh, except Tom Herman did it in a Group of Five conference, at the school with the most history, in the best location, within that conference.
Matt Campbell did it in a Power 5 conference, at a school with the least history, in arguably the worst location, within that conference.
Hell, even if he just makes Texas into Iowa State, that's an improvement
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He also beat Texas last year. At Iowa State. You're right, he's beneath you 'Horns.
It's not that at all. The list of coaches that have beaten Texas over the past decade is long and not particularly distinguished. The entire point is that a guy like Campbell is just a sideways move. Why fire a .600 kind of coach just to hire another .600 kind of coach? What's the point?
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Eh, except Tom Herman did it in a Group of Five conference, at the school with the most history, in the best location, within that conference.
Matt Campbell did it in a Power 5 conference, at a school with the least history, in arguably the worst location, within that conference.
Hell, even if he just makes Texas into Iowa State, that's an improvement
This is a really silly statement. Look at their winning percentages in the B12. We play a roundrobin every year, so that's a comparison against the exact same competition. Is Texas' B12 record over the past 4 years significantly different than ISU's?
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It's not that at all. The list of coaches that have beaten Texas over the past decade is long and not particularly distinguished. The entire point is that a guy like Campbell is just a sideways move. Why fire a .600 kind of coach just to hire another .600 kind of coach? What's the point?
Who ya going after? Saban?
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Who ya going after? Saban?
The thread title is "Urban to Tejas" and that is the discussion at hand.
Why, you know something I don't about Saban? is he looking to leave? I could be convinced to allow Texas to hire him.
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Would UM be successful at UTA? Sure. But we can do without the hyperbole, lol.
His winning % at Florida and OSU was .860. He already has the best career win% in the post-WWII era. He's not going to magically win every game as HC of Texas.
Might be hyperbole. Might not be.
I could easily see Urban recruiting at an insane level, instantly, and winning a chip or two within 5 years and dominating a Big 12 conference that isn't as strong as the SEC/B10 conferences he so thoroughly dominated. Who will be his competition? Oklahoma doesn't play any defense. He'll lapse them instantly, and after that, it's slim pickens.
He'd also be able to recruit California and Louisiana much better than he ever did at Florida or Ohio State due to proximity alone.
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I dunno. It's certainly possible and he'll have no lack of suitors. But I just haven't seen the guy look like he wants back in the game.
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I dunno. It's certainly possible and he'll have no lack of suitors. But I just haven't seen the guy look like he wants back in the game.
That's definitely the question, isn't it?
I don't think he ends up at Texas but he'd be the only replacement coach I'd be excited about, if/when Herman gets fired.
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Campbell lost to ULaLa. You're welcome to him, I sure as shit don't want him at Texas.
It happens. His Iowa State teams probably have just as much if not less talent than ULaLa. Have you seen Iowa State's recruiting? It's dead last in B12 almost every cycle. They haven't signed a single 5* or 4* in 5 years. Texas? They only get about 25 of them every single class.
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Bill O’Brien maybe?
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It happens. His Iowa State teams probably have just as much if not less talent than ULaLa. Have you seen Iowa State's recruiting? It's dead last in B12 almost every cycle. They haven't signed a single 5* or 4* in 5 years. Texas? They only get about 25 of them every single class.
Then by all means, you go ahead and be excited about him as a potential replacement for Harbaugh, if that's your desire.
This is the Urban to Tejas thread, last I checked. Not the Campbell to UM thread.
I didn't start this thread, by the way. :)
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I dunno. It's certainly possible and he'll have no lack of suitors. But I just haven't seen the guy look like he wants back in the game.
If you're the Texas AD you have to make him say no. I don't think he'll come back, but Texas might be one of the few jobs that might make him think about it seriously and maybe even say yes.
Here's a 5 year, $12 million per fully guaranteed contract. Here's total and complete control. Here's the largest budget in the country for recruiting. Here's the largest budget in the country for assistants, and here's the largest budgets in the country for strength training, nutrition, and support staff.
Have to basically kiss his ass royally and give him a deal that's too good to pass up.
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Bill O’Brien maybe?
Lulz.
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Bill O’Brien maybe?
This is hilarious. I think half of Texas hates the guy.
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This is hilarious. I think half of Texas hates the guy.
Nah, the Texans aren't that popular within the state. Outside of Houston, nobody pays much attention to them. They're sort of like the NY Jets, but with zero history or tradition.
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Bill O’Brien maybe?
https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1332464587313008642?s=19
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Idk, maybe I'm being an ignorant ass here, but Urban to Austin sounds to me a bit like Jon Gruden to Tennessee. An embarrassing absurdity based on nothing.
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Campbell lost to ULaLa. You're welcome to him, I sure as shit don't want him at Texas.
Saban lost to ULAMo at Bama. He turned out alright.
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Iowa State beat OU and Texas this year. But their HC is 'meh.'
Mkay.
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It happens. His Iowa State teams probably have just as much if not less talent than ULaLa. Have you seen Iowa State's recruiting? It's dead last in B12 almost every cycle. They haven't signed a single 5* or 4* in 5 years. Texas? They only get about 25 of them every single class.
Going on memory, Brock Purdy was a 4-star recruit. I could not figure how in heck, or why in heck, Purdy decided on Iowa State. He is from Arizona. Purdy was ready to play as a freshman. I think Iowa State was playing a converted linebacker at QB before Purdy.
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This is a really silly statement. Look at their winning percentages in the B12. We play a roundrobin every year, so that's a comparison against the exact same competition. Is Texas' B12 record over the past 4 years significantly different than ISU's?
Yeah, because Herman came in and inherited a roster of 4 and 5*. He's not a bad coach. Any decent coach can win 8 games a year at Texas or USC or Michigan or Ohio State. It's Year 4, and Campbell has Iowa State straight up better than Texas
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If Ryan Day flames out or goes pro I know OSU would be giving a long look at Campbell. But he is from Massillon.
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If Ryan Day flames out or goes pro I know OSU would be giving a long look at Campbell. But he is from Massillon.
He’s not flaming out lol. He might go pro though. After putting out a pair of top 10 nfl draft pick QBs and his offenses smashing B10 records, he might start getting NFL looks.
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Idk, maybe I'm being an ignorant ass here, but Urban to Austin sounds to me a bit like Jon Gruden to Tennessee. An embarrassing absurdity based on nothing.
You’re being an ignorant ass.
Urban is a career college coach that has no desire to coach in the NFL. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him get back into college coaching at a major program like Texas or USC. At all. And it’s not like he’s been out of football that long. It’s been what, two years? Stranger things have happened.
Jon Gruden was a career NFL coach, who never expressed any desire to coach in college. Ever. He’s an NFL guy through and through that had been out of coaching for like a decade and turned down NFL overture after NFL overture. Why on earth would he have ever considered the Tennessee job- a job that is inferior in every way to the Texas job I might add. That was just pure fantasy with zero chance in hell of ever happening.
Texas could actually pull it off if they pursued hard enough and threw out a lucrative enough offer.
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If Ryan Day flames out or goes pro I know OSU would be giving a long look at Campbell. But he is from Massillon.
Ya a I had this discussion about 2 months ago,I'd take a chance if Ryan Day went sunday's.As far as URBZ he did have a cyst removed from the base of his brain/spine a few years ago.He's got a pretty cushy gig not kissing recruits hiney's - that has to count for something.Prolly has to ask the wife
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Ya a I had this discussion about 2 months ago,I'd take a chance if Ryan Day went sunday's.As far as URBZ he did have a cyst removed from the base of his brain/spine a few years ago.He's got a pretty cushy gig not kissing recruits hiney's - that has to count for something.Prolly has to ask the wife
Urbz is a competitor. I’m sure the cushy tv gig gets boring after awhile. Almost every coach gets the itch and comes back. The only one I’ve ever seen say I’m done and be done was Jimmy Johnson.
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Well the surgery was in his head so more external pressure can't be good.Was he pushed out in C-Bus or were the head aches getting worse - I dunno
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I lean to thinking proximity and having a nice town are not enormous recruiting draws today for the five star level fellers.
A lot go to Tuscaloosa.
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You’re being an ignorant ass.
Urban is a career college coach that has no desire to coach in the NFL. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him get back into college coaching at a major program like Texas or USC. At all. And it’s not like he’s been out of football that long. It’s been what, two years? Stranger things have happened.
Jon Gruden was a career NFL coach, who never expressed any desire to coach in college. Ever. He’s an NFL guy through and through that had been out of coaching for like a decade and turned down NFL overture after NFL overture. Why on earth would he have ever considered the Tennessee job- a job that is inferior in every way to the Texas job I might add. That was just pure fantasy with zero chance in hell of ever happening.
Texas could actually pull it off if they pursued hard enough and threw out a lucrative enough offer.
It wouldn’t be absurd. But my guess it is nothing more than a fanbase’s wish with no merit.
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I lean to thinking proximity and having a nice town are not enormous recruiting draws today for the five star level fellers.
A lot go to Tuscaloosa.
Tuscaloosa is a pretty crappy college town, but I don’t think the croots go there for the atmosphere.
Maybe this is exactly the point you were trying to make.
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Texas' peak isn't any higher than Florida's or Ohio State's. There are a group of schools this is true for, and all 3 are in that group.
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It's not that at all. The list of coaches that have beaten Texas over the past decade is long and not particularly distinguished. The entire point is that a guy like Campbell is just a sideways move. Why fire a .600 kind of coach just to hire another .600 kind of coach? What's the point?
Because .600 at Iowa St is great and at Texas is below average. Iowa St is 24-19 (.558) in conference games under Campbell. In this current configuration of the Big 12 ISU was 7-29 (.194) in conference play before Campbell got there and has been consistently lousy in any configuration of the Big 12.
If you are looking at Campbell and Herman as just a couple of .600 coaches you are using zero context.
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If you are looking at Campbell and Herman as just a couple of .600 coaches you are using zero context.
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Yeah, because Herman came in and inherited a roster of 4 and 5*. He's not a bad coach. Any decent coach can win 8 games a year at Texas or USC or Michigan or Ohio State. It's Year 4, and Campbell has Iowa State straight up better than Texas
Prove that Herman inherited a roster of 4* and 5*. This is your assertion. Prove it.
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Because .600 at Iowa St is great and at Texas is below average. Iowa St is 24-19 (.558) in conference games under Campbell. In this current configuration of the Big 12 ISU was 7-29 (.194) in conference play before Campbell got there and has been consistently lousy in any configuration of the Big 12.
If you are looking at Campbell and Herman as just a couple of .600 coaches you are using zero context.
If you love Campbell so much why don't you marry him?
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If you love Campbell so much why don't you marry him?
He’s a millionaire, right? Don’t tempt me.
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Prove that Herman inherited a roster of 4* and 5*. This is your assertion. Prove it.
Based on 247 composite rankings, the 2011-15 classes (from which that 2015 roster would have been comprised)
2011
- Texas - #4 nationally, #1 Big XII (14 4/5*)
- ISU - #59 nationally, #12 Big XII (0 4/5*)
2012
- Texas - #2 nationally, #1 Big XII (22 4/5*)
- ISU - #67 nationally, #8 Big XII (0 4/5*)
2013
- Texas - #17 nationally, #2 Big XII (9 4/5*)
- ISU - #63 nationally, #9 Big XII (1 4/5*)
2014
- Texas - #17 nationally, #2 Big XII (8 4/5*)
- ISU - #59 nationally, #10 Big XII (1 4/5*)
2015
- Texas - #10 nationally, #1 Big XII (14 4/5*)
- ISU - #64 nationally, #9 Big XII (0 4/5*)
Herman inherited a roster that in terms.of recruiting rankings, was neck and neck with Oklahoma's. Campbell's was duking it out with Kansas for the Big XII cellar. So the fact that they are even even over four years , and trending very differently is enough for me. Campbell might fail at Texas, it seems to be a crapshoot, but I don't see any evidence that he would.
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Prove that Herman inherited a roster of 4* and 5*. This is your assertion. Prove it.
The roster the year before he got there had one five-star, 39 four-stars and 39 three-stars it ranked 11th in total star talent.
The roster his first year had 1, 35 and 39, though I cannot tell you what happened with attrition and how his first class looked. That group was 13th in total star talent.
The roster now has 4, 49 and 30 and ranks fifth in total star talent. It has losses to teams ranked 9th, 28th and 57th in total talent.
(I've stated my reservations about Campbell before, and I believe winning with less talent is at times a different skill than winning with more. That state keeps burping out coaches, so perhaps one of them takes it)
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If you're the Texas AD you have to make him say no. I don't think he'll come back, but Texas might be one of the few jobs that might make him think about it seriously and maybe even say yes.
Here's a 5 year, $12 million per fully guaranteed contract. Here's total and complete control. Here's the largest budget in the country for recruiting. Here's the largest budget in the country for assistants, and here's the largest budgets in the country for strength training, nutrition, and support staff.
Have to basically kiss his ass royally and give him a deal that's too good to pass up.
I'm obviously no expert on this subject, but it seems like there are complicating factors at Texas. It's not just recruiting plus exes and ohs equals championships.
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None of us are experts, I surmise, duh. But we have opinions anyway.
Damn right.
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I think coaching hire rumors crop up every year about this time, often the ones that get noticed are some High Profile Coach going to a HP Program. Not many outside the state are wondering who ends up at South Carolina. I could start a rumor easily based on nothing that could get traction and passed around as a thing, when it's really a nothing.
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I think the best question is who takes a shot with Hugh Freeze?
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I think the best question is who takes a shot with Hugh Freeze?
Tennessee
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If you love Campbell so much why don't you marry him?
Damn that was thrown down,maybe 94's bird wasn't cooked thru.Or he's passionate and wants to resurrect Daryl Royal
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Tennessee
Be a good place for him,the Reverend could bless the fleet each season
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Let's imagine for the moment that the PTBs at Texas are serious about getting UM. How many people would know if that were the case?
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I could start a rumor easily based on nothing that could get traction and passed around as a thing, when it's really a nothing.
Well you'll need a more gullible group than this.Try one of the Buckeye Boards - and add insiders confirm URBZ to Austin is a done deal after the season - you got it from a premium board
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None of us are experts, I surmise, duh. But we have opinions anyway.
Damn right.
I'm the guy to see about facts - ask that Bird giving me lip beak what happened Thursday.Speaking of bird,Cindy made this damn fine Turkey Salad that was her grand moms recipe.Onion,relish,dash of sugar - diced up what was left of the white/dark meats.Into the food processor it went and mixed with mayo in a big bowl - tasty way to stretch it
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Yeah, I know THIS group here is about as cynical and jaded as any Internet group in history, which is why I fit in, mostly.
Well, of course we're all susceptible to saying Damn Right and Unhuh and the Egg Board makes us fix eggs for breakfast.
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Well, of course we're all susceptible to saying Damn Right and Unhuh and the Egg Board makes us fix eggs for breakfast.
They'll have to excuse me I'm having Turkey Salad
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Quote from: utee94 on November 27, 2020, 11:35:18 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/urban-to-tejas/msg287463/#msg287463)
Prove that Herman inherited a roster of 4* and 5*. This is your assertion. Prove it.
Based on 247 composite rankings, the 2011-15 classes (from which that 2015 roster would have been comprised)
2011 Texas - #4 nationally, #1 Big XII
2012 Texas - #2 nationally, #1 Big XII
2013 Texas - #17 nationally, #2 Big XII
2014 Texas - #17 nationally, #2 Big XII
2015 Texas - #10 nationally, #1 Big XII
Herman inherited a roster that in terms.of recruiting rankings, was neck and neck with Oklahoma's. Campbell's was duking it out with Kansas for the Big XII cellar. So the fact that they are even even over four years , and trending very differently is enough for me. Campbell might fail at Texas, it seems to be a crapshoot, but I don't see any evidence that he would.
The roster the year before he got there had one five-star, 39 four-stars and 39 three-stars it ranked 11th in total star talent.
The roster his first year had 1, 35 and 39, though I cannot tell you what happened with attrition and how his first class looked. That group was 13th in total star talent.
The roster now has 4, 49 and 30 and ranks fifth in total star talent. It has losses to teams ranked 9th, 28th and 57th in total talent.
(I've stated my reservations about Campbell before, and I believe winning with less talent is at times a different skill than winning with more. That state keeps burping out coaches, so perhaps one of them takes it)
Bitches a bringing their A-Game 😎
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We had a lot of attrition from almost all of those classes.
Anyway, y'all are welcome to Campbell for your next coaching vacancies. It's a sideways move for Texas, which is pointless.
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Let's imagine for the moment that the PTBs at Texas are serious about getting UM. How many people would know if that were the case?
None of us, that's for sure. It would be worked via back-channels.
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None of us, that's for sure. It would be worked via back-channels.
Yup, and probably no one who would post it on the Interwebz.
Might be ten people.
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Yup, and probably no one who would post it on the Interwebz.
Might be ten people.
Yup.
Absolutely none of the people that would actually be in the know, would leak any of it to the internet.
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Quote from: utee94 on November 27, 2020, 11:35:18 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/urban-to-tejas/msg287463/#msg287463)Bitches a bringing their A-Game 😎
Well it's not a difficult point to make and support. Utee's argument is basically, "Nuh uh!"
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Well it's not a difficult point to make and support. Utee's argument is basically, "Nuh uh!"
My counterpoint about ISU losing to ULaLa was dismissed as "shit happens" so, well, what else am I supposed to say?
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And none of that has anything to do with the rumors about the (unlikely) event that Urban would be coming to Tejas, which is a far more interesting and juicy topic.
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Well it's not a difficult point to make and support. Utee's argument is basically, "Nuh uh!"
Damn right.
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I believe winning with less talent is at times a different skill than winning with more. That state keeps burping out coaches, so perhaps one of them takes it)
I do agree with that.
Dantonio did more at MSU than Saban did, but I think he would have absolutely floundered Alabama or Texas. It takes a different skill set to get Iowa State or Michigan State to their ceiling than it does Alabama or Texas.
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I do agree with that.
Dantonio did more at MSU than Saban did, but I think he would have absolutely floundered Alabama or Texas. It takes a different skill set to get Iowa State or Michigan State to their ceiling than it does Alabama or Texas.
And then there's that, which I also agree with.
But it's not just Matt Campbell, it's nothing personal. Pretty much every coach being mentioned as a realistic possibility, doesn't appeal to me all that much, for these reasons, or others.
And it's not like my opinion matters or I'll have any input on the deal. TPTB will do whatever they're going to do.
I'm certain they've made overtures to Meyer, of that there's no doubt.
Would he be receptive? Does he want to coach again at all? If so, would he want to do so at Texas? There are some good reasons why he might want to, and also some powerful reasons why he might pass on Texas even if he does want to get back into coaching.
On this point I certainly do agree with MDOT-- if you're the Texas AD and are definitely going to let Herman go, then you absolutely must try to work a deal with Urban, before approaching anyone else. Make him say no. Make it incredibly difficult for him to say no.
Anyway, it's all just internet rumor and speculation, same as it ever was.
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It would be the ultimate flex on Herman, but the overwhelming speculation already accomplishes that. In spades.
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It would be the ultimate flex on Herman, but the overwhelming speculation already accomplishes that. In spades.
Would be really funny to see Meyer take Herman’s job after all the drama that went down between them.
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Yeah I don't care about any of that. I just want to see better football-- MUCH better football-- being played in Austin.
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Texas' peak isn't any higher than Florida's or Ohio State's. There are a group of schools this is true for, and all 3 are in that group.
Well in the modern era (1980s-present) Texas has never had a coach anywhere near Steve Spurrier or Urban Meyer (UF) or Urban Meyer or Tressell (OSU).
Mack Brown was a heckuva recruiter, but as an actual football coach- he left a lot to be desired.
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Tuscaloosa is a pretty crappy college town, but I don’t think the croots go there for the atmosphere.
Maybe this is exactly the point you were trying to make.
College atmosphere helps. The proximity is more important. Alabama is very close to Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and the Carolinas. And they get a ton of big-time recruits from those stats.
The top recruits are all bandwagon jumpers- they go to whatever team is winning at the moment. Alabama is always winning under Saban, but also it being very close to those talent rich states just makes it a little bit easier to get them to come. That was my point.
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I believe winning with less talent is at times a different skill than winning with more. That state keeps burping out coaches, so perhaps one of them takes it.
This is a great point. Agree 100%.
Getting the 5* kids to buy in and develop and work their asses off like 2* kids or walk-ons just scrapping to make the team and get respect or playing time isn’t easy. Heard a lot of stuff about how Shea Patterson really didn’t work that hard at all and Harbaugh pretty much just looked the other way and gave him the job.
Saban and Meyer are masters of this. They get their 5* and 4* kids to play at or above expectation level. This isn’t easy.
Most super talented people don’t work as hard as they should and get by on ability. Sometimes being a super talented athlete can be a curse on a player.
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Yeah, because Herman came in and inherited a roster of 4 and 5*. He's not a bad coach. Any decent coach can win 8 games a year at Texas or USC or Michigan or Ohio State. It's Year 4, and Campbell has Iowa State straight up better than Texas
I wouldn't say Iowa State is much better than Texas
the game yesterday was about as even as can be
Texas under Hermann is under performing
the problem is......... if Urban doesn't want the job, who is the slam dunk hire?
Perhaps Matt Campbell would be a great coach at Texas, but it's not a certainty
there doesn't seem to be many great up and coming young coaches that look like slam dunks
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Yeah that’s a good point. There really aren’t any slam dunks out there. When Urban went to Florida or Saban went to LSU even before they became GOATs they were both seen as slam dunks based on what they did at Utah/MSU. There isn’t even anyone out there like that right now.
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Yeah that’s a good point. There really aren’t any slam dunks out there. When Urban went to Florida or Saban went to LSU even before they became GOATs they were both seen as slam dunks based on what they did at Utah/MSU. There isn’t even anyone out there like that right now.
I think you are revising history a little here. I don’t remember Saban or Meyer being slam dunk hires. Obviously good hires, but it wasn’t like everyone just knew they would be raging successes. I think what Matt Campbell has done at Iowa St. is more impressive than anything Saban did at MSU. Was Meyer any more a slam dunk hire based on what he did at Utah than what Frost did at UCF, or Fickell at UC?
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Meyer was, Saban wasn't.
Meyer took a 2-9 Bowling Green team to 8-3 his first year.
Then he took 5-6 Utah to 10-2, then 12-0. The Utes had finished a season ranked ONCE EVER before Meyer. They were an anonymous WAC program*. He took them to the top 5.
He's exactly who I wanted and we got him.
Saban was different because he didn't immediately improve MSU. It took him 4-5 years to get them to peak in the top 10. Idk what MSU was thinking, hiring a guy who was HC at Toledo for 1 season, but there, he took the 5-6 Rockets to 9-2 right away.
*Yes, they were in the MWC in 2003-4, but you wouldn't have been able to correct me back then.
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How much do you think a five star considers how cool the college town is in his decision criteria?
I can see he might consider weather as a factor.
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depends on the 5-star
kids are different in what they value
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the problem is......... if Urban doesn't want the job, who is the slam dunk hire?
Weiss or Pelini
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How much do you think a five star considers how cool the college town is in his decision criteria?
I can see he might consider weather as a factor.
Zero.
Every college town on up (in population) has a few night clubs and all the 'yes' girls they could ever want.
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Weiss or Pelini
Matt Patricia is available
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Zero.
Every college town on up (in population) has a few night clubs and all the 'yes' girls they could ever want.
not many recruits know this about Lincoln NE until they get to campus
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I can see perhaps if the decision is dead on 50-50 and he decides one town is nicer than the other. Maybe.
Many college towns are pretty nice overall, weather can be unpleasant for some. I suspect their decision mostly is based on liking the coaching staff, seeing an opening for early play, and getting noticed so as to play on Sunday in 3 years $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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or it could be they want to be close to a GF or their mommy
something simple
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Zero.
Every college town on up (in population) has a few night clubs and all the 'yes' girls they could ever want.
disagree.
I think it comes into play more than we think. Look at Miami. That kills them in their recruiting imo.
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Meyer was, Saban wasn't.
Meyer took a 2-9 Bowling Green team to 8-3 his first year.
Then he took 5-6 Utah to 10-2, then 12-0. The Utes had finished a season ranked ONCE EVER before Meyer. They were an anonymous WAC program*. He took them to the top 5.
He's exactly who I wanted and we got him.
Saban was different because he didn't immediately improve MSU. It took him 4-5 years to get them to peak in the top 10. Idk what MSU was thinking, hiring a guy who was HC at Toledo for 1 season, but there, he took the 5-6 Rockets to 9-2 right away.
*Yes, they were in the MWC in 2003-4, but you wouldn't have been able to correct me back then.
I guess I’d have to know what people consider a “slam dunk?” Meyer had obviously earned the right to land a big job with what he did at BGSU and Utah. If that’s considered a slam dunk then, I agree, he was a slam dunk. If slam dunk is “this guy is going to consistently win 10-12 games and contend for national titles” then I didn’t consider Meyer that. I just didn’t know. When Texas got Herman I thought it was a really good hire. It’s turned out to be nothing special so far.
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disagree.
I think it comes into play more than we think. Look at Miami. That kills them in their recruiting imo.
You're suggesting recruits don't want to play for Miami because being a 20 minute drive from South Beach sucks? I'm not following.
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Damn right.
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they have Uber now
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You're suggesting recruits don't want to play for Miami because being a 20 minute drive from South Beach sucks? I'm not following.
No. I'm suggesting that Miami being a small private school in Coral Gables- a rich uppity suburb of Miami that is a far cry from a college town- and not in a real college town (like say Gainesville), that has no stadium (they play in an NFL one- far away), and next to zero fan support absolutely hurts their recruiting.
Oh and that drive from the Gables to South Beach isn't 20 mins. Fat chance you're getting over the 395 to South Beach from the Gables in under 30-40 mins- and that's with light traffic. During rush hour- hahaha....good luck- that'll take you an hour 20 plus, could even take you two or three hours depending on accidents- and there are literally always accidents literally every single day.
And none of the women in Miami give a shit about college football players. At all. It's not like other college towns because it's not really a college town. The women in Miami are too busy chasing NFL players, rappers, actors, business moguls, doctors. They love money. They don't give a shit about Jonnhy Football throwing touchdown passes in college.
People in Miami honestly do not give two shits about the Miami Hurricanes. They are like number 10 on the list. Dolphins, Marlins, and Heat are all way more popular. Even when they were winning the stadium was half empty. I've been to plenty of their games when they were good and almost no one was in the stands.
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they have Uber now
it's honestly better to take an Uber in Miami than drive. It's way less stressful.
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No. I'm suggesting that Miami being a small private school in Coral Gables- a rich uppity suburb of Miami that is a far cry from a college town- and not in a real college town (like say Gainesville), that has no stadium (they play in an NFL one- far away), and next to zero fan support absolutely hurts their recruiting.
Oh and that drive from the Gables to South Beach isn't 20 mins. Fat chance you're getting over the 395 to South Beach from the Gables in under 30-40 mins- and that's with light traffic. During rush hour- hahaha....good luck- that'll take you an hour 20 plus, could even take you two or three hours depending on accidents- and there are literally always accidents literally every single day.
And none of the women in Miami give a shit about college football players. At all. It's not like other college towns because it's not really a college town. The women in Miami are too busy chasing NFL players, rappers, actors, business moguls, doctors. They love money. They don't give a shit about Jonnhy Football throwing touchdown passes in college.
People in Miami honestly do not give two shits about the Miami Hurricanes. They are like number 10 on the list. Dolphins, Marlins, and Heat are all way more popular. Even when they were winning the stadium was half empty. I've been to plenty of their games when they were good and almost no one was in the stands.
I can accept all of this.
But you're not thinking like an 18 year old. None of the above is in the hype videos Miami will be showing them. The girls who happen to bump into recruits on campus seem VERY interested in them. The places they're told to visit, owned by alumni, LOVE the Canes.
What is and what they see are worlds apart. I don't think any of the reality adversely affect Miami recruiting at all, because they're recruiting 18 year olds.
The only thing that hurts Miami recruiting is being an irrelevant football program. They need an exceptional coach to win with relatively average talent, and "the U" being cool again will bring all the talent. Bandwagon recruiting.
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Damn right
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not many recruits know this about Lincoln NE until they get to campus
What's that you chaperoning them to the Beer Cart
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I think I could set up some good vibes on recruiting visits
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Does anyone here have an idea about the agenda of a typical recruit visit?
Obviously, they show him the various facilities and around campus and some image of him in uniform etc. He talks to coaches, some players. Do they drive him about town at all? Do his parents participate in parts? Are they there? Do they get shown around campus and town?
I could see a full agenda just seeing facilities and campus.
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they are hosted by a player on the team, get to hang out with the players, go out on the town or whatever the player hosting does. sometimes sleep in a dorm room if an overnight visit
Probably a nice meal at a restaurant with his parents and coaches
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Does anyone here have an idea about the agenda of a typical recruit visit?
Obviously, they show him the various facilities and around campus and some image of him in uniform etc. He talks to coaches, some players. Do they drive him about town at all? Do his parents participate in parts? Are they there? Do they get shown around campus and town?
I could see a full agenda just seeing facilities and campus.
Here's an article (https://theathletic.com/1798915/2020/05/07/clemson-tigers-football-recruiting-official-visits/), if you subscribe to The Athletic, that gives a good sense of it.
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Yeah, I assume they show the athletic facilities, which can take two plus hours. Chat with the coaches, maybe put on a uniform. That could take an hour. See the athletic dorm. Probably lunch at the athletic cafeteria. Walk about campus some. The day fills up pretty fast, and maybe they drive him about town some, but that might not be a highlight of the trip really.
If I'm a five star, it wouldn't be. Weather would be a factor for me.
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We are trying to get inside the heads of a bunch of kids that are too dumb to sign up for a five year paid vacation to Hawaii?
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and their heads are / can be very different
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I suspect MOST Five Stars have predictable motivations, and Hawaii is not all that glamorous in my view.
Playing in the NFL is the primary motivator. How do I get there in three years? All else is secondary, if that.
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Meyer was, Saban wasn't.
Meyer took a 2-9 Bowling Green team to 8-3 his first year.
Then he took 5-6 Utah to 10-2, then 12-0. The Utes had finished a season ranked ONCE EVER before Meyer. They were an anonymous WAC program*. He took them to the top 5.
He's exactly who I wanted and we got him.
Saban was different because he didn't immediately improve MSU. It took him 4-5 years to get them to peak in the top 10. Idk what MSU was thinking, hiring a guy who was HC at Toledo for 1 season, but there, he took the 5-6 Rockets to 9-2 right away.
*Yes, they were in the MWC in 2003-4, but you wouldn't have been able to correct me back then.
So I slightly disagree with this. Meyer was a very good coaching candidate, but he had two areas where he was a bit of a gamble.
1. At that point, no team close to that level had deployed that sort of offense. Yes, Oklahoma had done some early Air Raid stuff and FSU's basketball on grass had existed, but the Meyer spread option was considered still maybe a mid-major gimmick.
It had a bit of that "this might not work against the big boys" vibe. We know now that was silly and usually is, but it was out there.
2. He'd never actually had a semi-full recruiting cycle with a kid and coached that kid as a sophomore. He'd never coached a kid he signed as a junior. Yes, he'd turned around jobs, and Jim Harbaugh and Brady Hoke were .750 coaches in Year 1 and 2. We didn't really know what a long-term Meyer program even looked like. Shoot, Darrell Hazell's turnaround at Kent was WORLDS more impressive than the boost Urban gave BG (and debatably Utah), and he was so bad.
So there were some worries, but beyond those stints, the coaching world knew Urban's soft skills were off the charts. And it worked out. Saban was amazing because he created a structural change for LSU as a program, and his MSU tenure couldn't have predicted that.
(As for the anonymous WAC/MWC program thing, all but 2-3 are anonymous when you distain mid-major football, which as been your approach. Urbs, replaced a coach that got Utah a top-10 finish in the AP poll. He inherited a mid-major with a rare level of stability and solid success and a future NFL QB and put it into overdrive, which is a valuable skill, but he didn’t just discover some outpost. His BG tenure was interesting and slightly overrated in a way, but that’s another story I can share if you’d like.)
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I'm surprised that none of the big fish have ever gone after Kyle Whittingham.
He's kept Utah humming for the most part since Urban left.
There have been a few hiccups along the way, most notably the growing pains that resulted from the move up to P5.
He was by far the most successful of UM's hand-picked successors. He didn't just flame out quickly like Greg Brandon or Will Muscamp. (Jury is still out on Day)
I do recall when Urban took the Utah job, a lot of jabber jocks in Ohio were surprised, as they viewed it as a fairly lateral move from Bowling Green. Utah was BYU's "little brother" back then. Now they are a level up from BYU, and it is because of UM and KW.
And yes, anyone that couldn't differentiate between the MWC and the WAC in those days simply weren't paying attention. They'd've also been unable to identify who was in the MAC vs CUSA.
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I'm surprised that none of the big fish have ever gone after Kyle Whittingham.
He's kept Utah humming for the most part since Urban left.
There have been a few hiccups along the way, most notably the growing pains that resulted from the move up to P5.
He was by far the most successful of UM's hand-picked successors. He didn't just flame out quickly like Greg Brandon or Will Muscamp. (Jury is still out on Day)
I do recall when Urban took the Utah job, a lot of jabber jocks in Ohio were surprised, as they viewed it as a fairly lateral move from Bowling Green. Utah was BYU's "little brother" back then. Now they are a level up from BYU, and it is because of UM and KW.
And yes, anyone that couldn't differentiate between the MWC and the WAC in those days simply weren't paying attention. They'd've also been unable to identify who was in the MAC vs CUSA.
Urban def didn't pick Muschamp. And he left a tire fire culture-wise.
Whittingham is good. I think he ran into a few issues. He was 49 and a defensive guy off that 13-0 season, when folks were going young and offensive (and Utah recruiting is weird). He's had a weird run of up and down OCs since. I think those things, and the fact that Utah became a mid-tier Pac-12 job meant there wasn't so much higher to go, kinda capped him.
He's 61 now, was one game away from just being left out of the playoff last year. I hope he keeps things going (this year has been a mess for that program).
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Would KW go to say South Carolina or Tennessee if they wrote a check?
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Would KW go to say South Carolina or Tennessee if they wrote a check?
He makes more than both their coaches, and he'd not be able to bring much of his expertise.
And he'd be going from a job that's content being just good to ones where it's harder and there's less patience. I think unless USC, maybe Washington or Oregon wants him, why leave? (Or like Michigan or something?)
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Michigan would be good for him
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Vanderbilt has fired coach Derek Mason, athletic director Candice Storey Lee announced on Sunday. Mason posted a record of 27-54 in six-plus seasons as Vanderbilt's head coach after arriving from Stanford in 2014. Offensive coordinator Todd Fitch will serve as the interim head coach.
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What does Vandy expect from a coach???
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something better than 0-8
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What does Vandy expect from a coach???
Better than 3-17 across two seasons (gonna be 3-19 if all games are played.)
Up till then, he was fine. I mean, if a Vandy coach can go 5-7/6-6 for a while with the occasional 4-8/3-9, they'll keep you.
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They fired him for having that kickoff that didn't even make it to the 35.
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A coach who goes 6-6 every so often at Vandy gets hired away.
Maybe you stack in 3 pastries as wins, Western Kentucky or whatever, but who are you gonna beat besides Tennessee?
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They fired him for having that kickoff that didn't even make it to the 35.
Doubtful.
How about for having an offense so bad it only crosses the 50 for one play, and never even gives the History making athlete a chance to attempt a score.
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A coach who goes 6-6 every so often at Vandy gets hired away.
Maybe you stack in 3 pastries as wins, Western Kentucky or whatever, but who are you gonna beat besides Tennessee?
Four pastries, try to get two from SC, Mizzou, Kentucky, UT.
Vandy coaches who move up have been interesting
Franklin won 18 in two years got PSU
DiNardo got two 4-7s, two 5-6s and got LSU
Steve Sloan got them to 7-3-2, flipped to Texas Tech
In 1948, Red Sanders had a top-12 team and went to UCLA
One may have gone NFL or FBS, I guess.
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They generally schedule one decent OOC P5 opponent that usually beats them. But, a good coach could snare four OOC games and then two more in conference, it's been done. Franklin may have been a real exception.
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Doubtful.
How about for having an offense so bad it only crosses the 50 for one play, and never even gives the History making athlete a chance to attempt a score.
I joke, I joke
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So, just in the SEC:
Auburn - only a rumor, not official
Vandy
South Carolina
Possibly adding Tennessee.
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tough sledding for coaches down there
Harbaugh, Hermann, Frost, and Franklin have it better
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It means some fairly high profile openings are there ($$$) which means is some lesser programs fire their coach, they will have to dig deeper.
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So I slightly disagree with this. Meyer was a very good coaching candidate, but he had two areas where he was a bit of a gamble.
1. At that point, no team close to that level had deployed that sort of offense. Yes, Oklahoma had done some early Air Raid stuff and FSU's basketball on grass had existed, but the Meyer spread option was considered still maybe a mid-major gimmick.
It had a bit of that "this might not work against the big boys" vibe. We know now that was silly and usually is, but it was out there.
2. He'd never actually had a semi-full recruiting cycle with a kid and coached that kid as a sophomore. He'd never coached a kid he signed as a junior. Yes, he'd turned around jobs, and Jim Harbaugh and Brady Hoke were .750 coaches in Year 1 and 2. We didn't really know what a long-term Meyer program even looked like. Shoot, Darrell Hazell's turnaround at Kent was WORLDS more impressive than the boost Urban gave BG (and debatably Utah), and he was so bad. But we did see that after leaving BG, they continued their success the 2 years after he left.
So there were some worries, but beyond those stints, the coaching world knew Urban's soft skills were off the charts. And it worked out. Saban was amazing because he created a structural change for LSU as a program, and his MSU tenure couldn't have predicted that.
(As for the anonymous WAC/MWC program thing, all but 2-3 are anonymous when you distain mid-major football, which as been your approach. Urbs, replaced a coach that got Utah a top-10 finish in the AP poll. He inherited a mid-major with a rare level of stability and solid success and a future NFL QB and put it into overdrive, which is a valuable skill, but he didn’t just discover some outpost. His BG tenure was interesting and slightly overrated in a way, but that’s another story I can share if you’d like.)
Utah was in the grab-bag bin of G5 teams back then. Colorado State had finished the year ranked in 2000, BYU, Toledo, Louisville, TCU....even BG the same year UM went to Utah and immediately had it in the rankings his first year. THAT was something special - your new stop ends the year ranked AND your previous one does, too.
Southern Miss, Air Force, Tulane...all these other programs had been ranked in the 6-8 years leading up to UM going to Utah. Sorry, I don't see going back to 1994 for the ONLY time Utah had EVER ended the year ranked for some kind of valid support for the Utes program.
That "future NFL QB" was a 2-star nothing recruit. No, he didn't slip through any cracks, he had obscenely great stats and tons of recruiters in the stands to watch his teammate, Reggie Bush. UM made Smith into a future NFL QB.
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Did Meyer turn him into that, or merely allow his natural talents to progress as they would have anyway?
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Did Meyer turn him into that, or merely allow his natural talents to progress as they would have anyway?
Urban and that system he brought turned him into that. Alex Smith literally did nothing at Utah before Urban got there in 2003.
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I merely note at times a QB "gets it" when he could have done so even without a coach.
I actually think Meyer had a large part in that in this case.
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Urban and that system he brought turned him into that. Alex Smith literally did nothing at Utah before Urban got there in 2003.
In fairness, Smith was a freshman who didn’t play before Meyer got there. It wasn’t like Smith got a shot and was doing nothing with it prior to Meyer getting there. He had literally done nothing because he had almost literally not played. He threw four passes his freshman season.
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Urban and that system he brought turned him into that. Alex Smith literally did nothing at Utah before Urban got there in 2003.
That's true, but he was also a true freshman. So that probably doesn't mean much.
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Utah was in the grab-bag bin of G5 teams back then. Colorado State had finished the year ranked in 2000, BYU, Toledo, Louisville, TCU....even BG the same year UM went to Utah and immediately had it in the rankings his first year. THAT was something special - your new stop ends the year ranked AND your previous one does, too.
Southern Miss, Air Force, Tulane...all these other programs had been ranked in the 6-8 years leading up to UM going to Utah. Sorry, I don't see going back to 1994 for the ONLY time Utah had EVER ended the year ranked for some kind of valid support for the Utes program.
That "future NFL QB" was a 2-star nothing recruit. No, he didn't slip through any cracks, he had obscenely great stats and tons of recruiters in the stands to watch his teammate, Reggie Bush. UM made Smith into a future NFL QB.
He went to a top-9 mid-major and made it very good with the talent on hand. That's a very good job, but a slam dunk it does not make.
He went to BG and quickly turned a team that finished in fourth place in 1998 into a team that finished in fourth place TWICE (he did beat some mediocre mis-majors, which is good). And you're right BG got notably better when he left. Is that a slam dunk resume? I guess? (The coach before him took a 3-5-2 team and went 21-3 his first two years. He could've been a slam dunk too, give or take some personal issues)
Again, his soft skills came in, and something he never had tested in those two places, recruiting, turned out to be something he was better at than most everyone else. There was a bit of projection and it worked out.
(As for Alex Smith, we can go in circles about that. Urban "made" him an NFL QB, but when he got one of the best pro-style QB recruits in the country, he couldn't "make" him into an NFL draft pick? Let me put it another way. Smith has started 164 NFL games because Urban was just so super, but maybe he had something in his potential that was somewhat special. Urban coached what? Seven other guys, and the best NFL starter is either Haskins or Tebow?)
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A top-9 mid-major?
That honestly made me laugh out loud. I'll concede, Utah was the 9th-best G5 program in 2003. That's adorable.
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As for Alex Smith.
A - there is so much random chance in how a player's NFL career turns out that it's probably not worth a conversation, but
B - if you insist, here are the facts: Alex Smith was a nobody, 2* recruit. He happened to have been coached by the 2nd? best HC of the past 50 years. He then became a #1 pick in the draft. You can try to make the argument that it's a coincidence, but good luck with that.
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question
did Urban develop a 2 star QB or did he develop the entire team around him? or both or neither?
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A top-9 mid-major?
That honestly made me laugh out loud. I'll concede, Utah was the 9th-best G5 program in 2003. That's adorable.
Yep, took over a good-ish mid-major and made it a team that could sweep a top-70 schedule. The work of a very good coach. But the dude didn't take over a place that actually sucked.
(For reference, he took over a team that was 38th in the country in winning percentage during the previous coaches tenure. Not unreal, but about at the 66th percentile, which is to say, a perfectly fine program. In the modern context, it would be like going to Air Force or Western Kentucky and sweeping the conference)
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As for Alex Smith.
A - there is so much random chance in how a player's NFL career turns out that it's probably not worth a conversation, but
B - if you insist, here are the facts: Alex Smith was a nobody, 2* recruit. He happened to have been coached by the 2nd? best HC of the past 50 years. He then became a #1 pick in the draft. You can try to make the argument that it's a coincidence, but good luck with that.
So the second best coach in the past 50 years can take nobody 2-stars and make them No. 1 picks, but he can get four- and five-stars and have them go undrafted? It's a small, selective datapoint. A nice one, but just that.
Terry Hoeppner turned Roethlisberger into a No. 11 pick. Kingsberry turned a guy with only a few offers into what we see now. But Terry and Kliff are what they are. The kid matters, the circumstances matter. Shoot, if Aaron Rogers had a bit less backbone, Smith isn't the first pick and might not be the 25th pick (that's a good story).
Everything gets cast with the context of what comes after. Urban was a very good coaching prospect, but there were things that fell in his favor and a few questions (as said, one of his best skills wasn't even on display before UF). He was less a slam dunk hire than Harbs, and with that in mind, we can deduce there are no real slam dunk hires. There are ones with better resumes, better soft skills, better results when they arrive.
Shoot, UF's coach now looks pretty good, and he was a big-game loser who seems to piss off everyone who meets him.
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Damn right.
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Damn right.
mmmm hmmmm
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So the second best coach in the past 50 years can take nobody 2-stars and make them No. 1 picks, but he can get four- and five-stars and have them go undrafted? It's a small, selective datapoint. A nice one, but just that.
Terry Hoeppner turned Roethlisberger into a No. 11 pick. Kingsberry turned a guy with only a few offers into what we see now. But Terry and Kliff are what they are. The kid matters, the circumstances matter. Shoot, if Aaron Rogers had a bit less backbone, Smith isn't the first pick and might not be the 25th pick (that's a good story).
Everything gets cast with the context of what comes after. Urban was a very good coaching prospect, but there were things that fell in his favor and a few questions (as said, one of his best skills wasn't even on display before UF). He was less a slam dunk hire than Harbs, and with that in mind, we can deduce there are no real slam dunk hires. There are ones with better resumes, better soft skills, better results when they arrive.
Shoot, UF's coach now looks pretty good, and he was a big-game loser who seems to piss off everyone who meets him.
Yep, I agree with all of that. I don’t think anyone is denying Meyer helped Smith develop into a number 1 pick, but I think Meyer benefitted from Smith being there as well. Smith’s credentials, or lack thereof, before UM arrived in Utah aren’t all that unique. It would make him about the millionth player who was lightly recruited out of HS that ended up being a really good college/pro player.
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Shoot, UF's coach now looks pretty good, and he was a big-game loser who seems to piss off everyone who meets him.
Dan Mullen?Never heard that and seemed decent enough when I've seen him interviewed
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Dan Mullen?Never heard that and seemed decent enough when I've seen him interviewed
He had some hideous record against high-level teams in Mississippi. It wasn't a totally fair standard, but it's one fans apply often.
And yeah. He basically lost the Miami job because he came off so pompous, which was bad for him and Miami in retrospect. This year he started that brawl and then did the postgame in a Halloween costume. (I kind of like the public persona, but I don't have to work with him)
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And yeah. He basically lost the Miami job because he came off so pompous, which was bad for him and Miami in retrospect.
Was he in line for the Canes job and blew it somehow?
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Was he in line for the Canes job and blew it somehow?
He interviewed for it at some point at reportedly came off just terribly in a personal setting.
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Well after Steve Superior,Urban Legend and a few posers perhaps that's mandated in G'Ville
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Texas boards reporting Hermann is finished. One guy they all seem to be clamoring for: Urban.
Urban would make his Florida/OSU powerhouse teams look like light weights if he landed in Austin imo. Austin is a way nicer college town/city than either of those cities, no offense- and quite frankly he'd be able to get whoever the F he wanted out of Texas and California and then go take top kids from Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, and everywhere else like he's always done.
Is everybody saying Austin is great based on saying it for going on thirty years now? Austin isn't even Texas anymore given how many outsiders have moved in and demanded things how they are from wherever they moved from. And I wouldn't even consider Austin a college town anymore, sort've like Minneapolis isn't really a college town despite the presence of U-Minnesota. Too many other interests compete for Austin's identity, such as its no-longer-quiet state capitol politics, not to mention the many festivals and celebrations that have taken root in Austin that have nothing to do with UT.
TL; DR: Austin is growing/changing way too fast to count on Austin still being the "nice college town" anymore.
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Austin is a terrible cesspool and nobody should ever move here.
Except Urban Meyer of course.
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Historically, has Austin been a "college town"?
I feel like Minneapolis was never really a "college town", despite UM being there. Just like Nashville isn't a "college town" despite Vandy being there, or Louisville not being a "college town" despite UL being there.
But then you've got places like Madison, which is the capitol and it's a college town, and having been there many times, I'm not sure what else it has? So I might almost call Madison a "college town"...
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Austin is not at all a college town, and really has never been one, in the sense that College Station, Texas, is. Texas A&M is the only thing happening in Bryan/College Station. Every single thing revolves around the college there.
As pointed out, there's a lot of stuff going on in Austin.
But I'm not sure that MDot really meant it that way, anyway. I think he was just referring to Austin as a town with a college in it, because he also used the term "city", and I think that Catsby expounding on all of the other stuff to do in Austin actually supports MDot's point about how Austin can be viewed as a more interesting and more desirable place to be-- especially for a grown adult, rather than a student.
But still, Austin sucks and nobody should ever move here.
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Thanks. That's kinda what I thought. It's not what I would call a "college town" today, but I wasn't sure if it was 30 years ago.
Whereas West Lafayette is a college town, and it's sibling across the river, Lafayette, is a dying rust belt industrial town. So literally there's almost nothing other than Purdue there, and thus it's truly a "college town".
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Thanks. That's kinda what I thought. It's not what I would call a "college town" today, but I wasn't sure if it was 30 years ago.
Whereas West Lafayette is a college town, and it's sibling across the river, Lafayette, is a dying rust belt industrial town. So literally there's almost nothing other than Purdue there, and thus it's truly a "college town".
For sure, that's what I think of when talking about a "college town" with no other context. Lubbock is a college town for Texas Tech. Waco is sort of a college town for Baylor. Houston and Dallas and Austin are not college towns, despite having multiple colleges associated with them.
30 years ago-- when I attended UT-- Austin was still not what I'd consider a college town. But it definitely had sections that had a "college scene" that was independent from the rest of the city. Bar districts and shopping districts that were (relatively) close to campus and were primarily students.
60 years ago, when my parents attended UT-- the population was 186,000, so still probably not a college town, though I'm sure it had a VERY college-y vibe. Far moreso than it does now.
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Damn right.
No one would think of Atlanta as a "college town" because Tech is here. Austin isn't as big and UT is larger, but I think it's well over the line.
A college town caters to students and would dry up and blow away without students. Knoxville, TN is not a college town for me, nor is Nashville. Chapel Hill surprised me with how small it is, definite college town.
Columbus, OH? Nope. You can live your life without noticing a student there.
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I'm a little surprised to hear that about Knoxville. Granted, I've never been there, but as a college football fan I've never heard Knoxville discussed in ANY other context than related to the Vols.
I assume Athens is hardcore college town?
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For sure, that's what I think of when talking about a "college town" with no other context. Lubbock is a college town for Texas Tech. Waco is sort of a college town for Baylor. Houston and Dallas and Austin are not college towns, despite having multiple colleges associated with them.
30 years ago-- when I attended UT-- Austin was still not what I'd consider a college town. But it definitely had sections that had a "college scene" that was independent from the rest of the city. Bar districts and shopping districts that were (relatively) close to campus and were primarily students.
60 years ago, when my parents attended UT-- the population was 186,000, so still probably not a college town, though I'm sure it had a VERY college-y vibe. Far moreso than it does now.
By this definition, Madison is not a college town. Shoot, Eugene might not be a college town.
Might I offer another definition? Let's use football as a bellwether. If there's a home football game, can you get around much of the town on a Saturday and not know there's a game happening? Like, if I'm in Madison and it's game day, I have to alter the way I get around the place. I think that's true in a lot of Southern college towns, not in Minneapolis.
Maybe Austin is so big that's not the case. I dunno. I've never been and had not one but TWO excuses to go there fall through. But I know if I ever get a job in tech, I'm coming with my outsider influence, just for you my friend.
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Damn right.
No one would think of Atlanta as a "college town" because Tech is here. Austin isn't as big and UT is larger, but I think it's well over the line.
A college town caters to students and would dry up and blow away without students. Knoxville, TN is not a college town for me, nor is Nashville. Chapel Hill surprised me with how small it is, definite college town.
Columbus, OH? Nope. You can live your life without noticing a student there.
This is part of the reason I think the myth of Tech as a potential football sleeping ... maybe giant is too strong, is nothing but a myth. If people in your own city mostly don't care about you, it'll be a tough road (that's a contrast to say Minneapolis which isn't overwhelmingly Gophers, but possesses a strong contingent)
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Is everybody saying Austin is great based on saying it for going on thirty years now? Austin isn't even Texas anymore
I'm afraid this is the allure. :57:
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This is part of the reason I think the myth of Tech as a potential football sleeping ... maybe giant is too strong, is nothing but a myth. If people in your own city mostly don't care about you, it'll be a tough road (that's a contrast to say Minneapolis which isn't overwhelmingly Gophers, but possesses a strong contingent)
I lived in the Atlanta area (Marietta). Atlanta is full of Dawg fans, not Tech fans. They're outnumbered in their own city.
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This is part of the reason I think the myth of Tech as a potential football sleeping ... maybe giant is too strong, is nothing but a myth. If people in your own city mostly don't care about you, it'll be a tough road (that's a contrast to say Minneapolis which isn't overwhelmingly Gophers, but possesses a strong contingent)
Agreed, I don't feel any big-city team is likely to become great. But like USC and Miami, IF a program like GT got all the best players within a 50-mile circle of its campus, it'd be a juggernaut.
Atlanta is the most talented area in the south, outside of FL.
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I'm a little surprised to hear that about Knoxville. Granted, I've never been there, but as a college football fan I've never heard Knoxville discussed in ANY other context than related to the Vols.
It is not a huge city, but it is sizable. It seems to me to be the largest city between Cincinnati and Atlanta. It looks a lot bigger than Lexington KY, which I'd guess to be the primary challenger.
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Apropos of nothing at all, Tom Herman and Matt Campbell are both 30-18 over their last 48 games.
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It is not a huge city, but it is sizable. It seems to me to be the largest city between Cincinnati and Atlanta. It looks a lot bigger than Lexington KY, which I'd guess to be the primary challenger.
I was very surprised at how big Knoxville was. At least the downtown area LOOKS like a bigger city than the other SEC college towns like Gainesville, Auburn, etc.
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Apropos of nothing at all, Tom Herman and Matt Campbell are both 30-18 over their last 48 games.
And Tom Herman isn't winless in rivalry games, and has a CCG appearance.
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Apropos of nothing at all, Tom Herman and Matt Campbell are both 30-18 over their last 48 games.
Matt Campbell is 30-18 at Iowa State. Tom Herman is 30-18 at Texas. There's a huge difference.
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Matt Campbell is 30-18 at Iowa State. Tom Herman is 30-18 at Texas. There's a huge difference.
Yep.
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And Tom Herman isn't winless in rivalry games, and has a CCG appearance.
And one of those things is weeks from being untrue.
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And Tom Herman isn't winless in rivalry games, and has a CCG appearance.
Did Campbell leave your wife at the alter?Would you like to revisit your"Toledo's loaded" statement?So he lost a couple close contests to Kirk,he's still punching above his weight.Kirk has lost to his fair share of schmucks,hell evenURZ lost to Purdue and Iowa if ya wanna be picky.Mack Brown lost to the Sooners 5 of the 1st Seven times he coached against them but still won an NC,SMDH
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Matt Campbell is 30-18 at Iowa State. Tom Herman is 30-18 at Texas. There's a huge difference.
If Day bolted for Sundays I'd have no problem with MC
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Agreed, I don't feel any big-city team is likely to become great. But like USC and Miami, IF a program like GT got all the best players within a 50-mile circle of its campus, it'd be a juggernaut.
Atlanta is the most talented area in the south, outside of FL.
I don't totally agree with that, but I think Tech and those other two have one big difference.
Miami and LA can bandwagon on their teams. USC can generate buzz. Miami, could get good enough to sell out that NFL stadium.
Tech is a nerd school with hardly a neighborhood in the metro that has more Tech fans than UGA fans. Even if Miami nominally doesn't care about the 'Canes (probably), that interest far outweighs the paltry following of Tech. (Plus Tech's academics make it a challenge on a number of levels)
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Noted.
I can't believe anyone has fewer fans than Miami, though. Selling out their NFL stadium? There are about 2 teams the Canes can host that will help sell it out: Florida and FSU. The rest of their games, you never have to pay face value.
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Noted.
I can't believe anyone has fewer fans than Miami, though. Selling out their NFL stadium? There are about 2 teams the Canes can host that will help sell it out: Florida and FSU. The rest of their games, you never have to pay face value.
It's a primarily engineering school that can't get a Luther Campbell and regularly fails to get 50,000 to games. (and if you can't believe anyone has fewer fans than Miami, lemme tell you, there's a big wide country out there, my friend)
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My neighbor the retired Tech professor took me on a tour. It was a nice day, students everywhere. I asked why I didn't see many Asian students, and he said "They are all inside studying." The Asian students don't care about football obviously.
They have a nice campus now, it is much improved over 1972, but I suppose that is true everywhere. They are not going to complete for elite players in the area with an odd exception here and there. Clemson, Bama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Tenn, all recruit heavily in GA, plus one other school.
I think they should pluck one of these "dual threat" QBs who is a great athlete is would play safety at a major program but wants to play QB.
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Historically, has Austin been a "college town"?
I feel like Minneapolis was never really a "college town", despite UM being there. Just like Nashville isn't a "college town" despite Vandy being there, or Louisville not being a "college town" despite UL being there.
But then you've got places like Madison, which is the capitol and it's a college town, and having been there many times, I'm not sure what else it has? So I might almost call Madison a "college town"...
Lots of large businesses and tech, and 1/2 Million people.
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Agreed, I don't feel any big-city team is likely to become great. But like USC and Miami, IF a program like GT got all the best players within a 50-mile circle of its campus, it'd be a juggernaut.
Atlanta is the most talented area in the south, outside of South FL.
fixed it for you.
New Orleans area probably has a strong case to have highest concentration of talent per capita however.
The Metro Atlanta area and South FL have wayyyyyyyy more people. 6+ million in Metro Atlanta and nearly 10 million in South Florida. The entire state of Louisiana doesn't even have 5 million people.
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Lots of large businesses and tech, and 1/2 Million people.
Lincoln, NE now has about 350,000 people
I don't think it was up to 200,000 back in the early 80s when I was there
Iowa City is more of a college town. Much smaller but still growing. Of course the state capital moved to Des Moines, so it didn't grow as quickly early on.
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fixed it for you.
New Orleans area probably has a strong case to have highest concentration of talent per capita however.
The Metro Atlanta area and South FL have wayyyyyyyy more people. 6+ million in Metro Atlanta and nearly 10 million in South Florida. The entire state of Louisiana doesn't even have 5 million people.
Being arrogant about a certain part of a state must be fun. I'll have to try that sometime.
And for having only 5 million people, that's their fault.
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I'm arrogant about Austin being better than the rest of Texas. It IS fun.
But still nobody should move here.
Except for Urban Meyer of course.
Thank You For Your Support.
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UM's just gonna follow Joe Rogan.
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I don't totally agree with that, but I think Tech and those other two have one big difference.
Miami and LA can bandwagon on their teams. USC can generate buzz. Miami, could get good enough to sell out that NFL stadium.
Tech is a nerd school with hardly a neighborhood in the metro that has more Tech fans than UGA fans. Even if Miami nominally doesn't care about the 'Canes (probably), that interest far outweighs the paltry following of Tech. (Plus Tech's academics make it a challenge on a number of levels)
USC can generate buzz when they win. It's a historical blue blood. One of the founding member/building blocks of CFB. And during it's most recent glory years of the Carroll era, it was the only football in town as the NFL had abandoned LA for decades. USC also has Hollywood behind it. Lot of very famous people are like diehard for USC Trojans football. Can't compare that to Miami who has what- some random ass one hit wonder rapper from Miami that nobody really even knows like Luther Campbell.
Miami is not that. At all. Not even close. They are not a blue blood. They are not a founding/building block member of the sport. They are more or less an anomaly that hit it huge in the mid 1980s and stayed on a huge winning track for 7-8 years until about '94 then fell off a cliff, then rebounded in the early 2000s in a huge way for about a 4 year run under Butch Davis/Larry Coker and then fell off a cliff again and has been mediocre or even very bad every year for the last 17 years.
And the Miami Dolphins are about the only football people in South Florida really care about at all. Miami can't bandwagon on their teams if nobody gives a shit about them. Miami couldn't even sell out that dump of a garbage stadium in Little Havanna that the Dolphins left them when they moved into Joe Robbie (now Hard Rock) when they were really good. Shows you how much the city gov't cares about Miami Canes football- they wouldn't let the Canes keep the dump in Little Havanna- the city leveled it to the ground to build the MLB team a stadium- despite U of Miami fighting tooth and nail with the city to let them keep it. Miami Hurricanes can't even compete in Miami with the Marlins for fans/support. They are a 3rd class citizen, red-headed step child in their own backyard. Miami nominally doesn't care about the 'Canes (probably) - they literally don't give a shit about the Canes. At all.
I've lived in South Florida for over 20 years. I've been to games at the old Orange Bowl when Miami was a dominant program. They had trouble selling it out then, and it was much closer to their campus. They will never in a million years sell out the NFL stadium that is further away. You'll find more fans of other CFB teams in Miami than you will fans of the Canes. Florida, FSU, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State- you name it- have tons of fans in South Florida- and they out-weight the Canes fans.
Miami is a small private school in a rich suburb where homes routinely sell for $5, $10, $15, $20, $30, even upwards of $50 million. An old piece of crap 1,200 sq ft home on barely over a tenth acre on a zero lot line in Coral Gables will cost you $700k minimum. It's not some college town that lives and breathes football. It's most very rich people, that really don't give a shit about that sport. They like tennis, golf, polo- you know- rich people sports.
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UM's just gonna follow Joe Rogan.
I didn't know anything about Joe Rogan and his following, until folks said this exact same thing on the Longhorn message boards on some of the "Urban Meyer or bust" threads. :)
I remember him in Newsradio and I knew he did that show where people eat cockroaches though I never really watched it. But I had no idea he had such a large podcast following. I might have to give him a listen, now that he and I are neighbors.
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I didn't know anything about Joe Rogan and his following, until folks said this exact same thing on the Longhorn message boards on some of the "Urban Meyer or bust" threads. :)
I remember him in Newsradio and I knew he did that show where people eat cockroaches though I never really watched it. But I had no idea he had such a large podcast following. I might have to give him a listen, now that he and I are neighbors.
Large podcast following? Lol. He's got the largest podcast on planet earth. Crazy how he's built himself an internet podcasting empire that makes him literally hundreds of millions of dollars.
BTW: Newsradio was super underrated. Phil Hartmann was the shit. Dude was genius. Greatest SNL cast member ever if you ask me. That show used to be great. Kind of sad to see how bad it sucks now. It is terrible.
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Large podcast following? Lol. He's got the largest podcast on planet earth. Crazy how he's built himself an internet podcasting empire that makes him literally hundreds of millions of dollars.
You just reiterated what I said. So... bully for you, I guess?
I did like Newsradio that's for sure. It's still around? I had no idea.
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Where is Urban living now? If it's still Ohio then Austin would be a monumental upgrade.
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Noted.
I can't believe anyone has fewer fans than Miami, though. Selling out their NFL stadium? There are about 2 teams the Canes can host that will help sell it out: Florida and FSU. The rest of their games, you never have to pay face value.
Not just those two teams. They don't anymore- but when they played Penn State, ND- well I guess they do play ND now that ND has half-joined the ACC- but when they play helmet teams like that- the helmet team fans fill their stadium. That's literally the only time they can fill the NFL stadium- when they have fans from other teams fill it lol.
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Where is Urban living now? If it's still Ohio then Austin would be a monumental upgrade.
isn't that TV show he's on shot in LA?
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fixed it for you.
New Orleans area probably has a strong case to have highest concentration of talent per capita however.
The Metro Atlanta area and South FL have wayyyyyyyy more people. 6+ million in Metro Atlanta and nearly 10 million in South Florida. The entire state of Louisiana doesn't even have 5 million people.
Yeah, but I don't consider South FL to be "The South". Yeah, I guess technically it's located there, but it's a completely different beast.
I feel the same way about Chicago. Although it's geographically located in the Midwest, it's such a large city that I think it's not "Midwestern" in the way that say Indianapolis or St Louis or Milwaukee is.
When I think of the character of Atlanta, or Spartanburg, or Charlotte, I don't think that South FL resembles that in any meaningful way.
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Being arrogant about a certain part of a state must be fun. I'll have to try that sometime.
And for having only 5 million people, that's their fault.
you should hear the folks from Eastern Iowa
it's even worse in South Dakota. There it's East River or West River
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We should rename the country 'the Divided States of Arbitrary'
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Sh!t rolls downhill. In Chicago, when we wanted to make fun of slack-jawed yokels, we made fun of Indiana. In Indiana, they did the same, but the target became Kentucky. Not sure who Kentuckians look down on, but I'm sure there's someone.
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Sh!t rolls downhill. In Chicago, when we wanted to make fun of slack-jawed yokels, we made fun of Indiana. In Indiana, they did the same, but the target became Kentucky. Not sure who Kentuckians look down on, but I'm sure there's someone.
In Texas we have a saying-- "Arkansas, the only state Oklahoma can make fun of."
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Alabama's State Motto: "At least we're not Mississippi."
Atlanta really isn't a southern city beyond the obvious location aspect of it.
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Miami is a small private school in a rich suburb where homes routinely sell for $5, $10, $15, $20, $30, even upwards of $50 million. An old piece of crap 1,200 sq ft home on barely over a tenth acre on a zero lot line in Coral Gables will cost you $700k minimum. It's not some college town that lives and breathes football. It's most very rich people, that really don't give a shit about that sport. They like tennis, golf, polo- you know- rich people sports.
Fair enough. Then GT is a school full of nerds without a logo as iconic as Miami or a vocal supporter close to Campbell (his fame might be overrated, but it dwarfs any person who could make Tech cool).
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GaTech was a pretty consistent power under Bobby Dodd when most of you guys were not envisioned yet. They also only had white kids for quite a long time, I don't know when they started having any number of black players on the team, 1975 maybe.
Dodd had some kind of ruckus with Bear Bryant 1963ish and that was part of the reason they left the SEC.
When I was in HS, my dream was to play basketball at Tech.
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GaTech was a pretty consistent power under Bobby Dodd when most of you guys were not envisioned yet. They also only had white kids for quite a long time, I don't know when they started having any number of black players on the team, 1975 maybe.
Dodd had some kind of ruckus with Bear Bryant 1963ish and that was part of the reason they left the SEC.
When I was in HS, my dream was to play basketball at Tech.
He departed in 1966. Jim Harbaugh was just 3.
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hahaha. I like it.
I have to admit. I always liked Texas. I don't know why. Maybe the uniforms and Ricky Williams and VY.
Would be nice to see Texas make a comeback on the national stage.
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I didn't know anything about Joe Rogan and his following, until folks said this exact same thing on the Longhorn message boards on some of the "Urban Meyer or bust" threads. :)
I remember him in Newsradio and I knew he did that show where people eat cockroaches though I never really watched it. But I had no idea he had such a large podcast following. I might have to give him a listen, now that he and I are neighbors.
Maybe Alex Jones can have you both on his show
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I did like Newsradio that's for sure. It's still around? I had no idea.
If that was the sit com with Phil Hartman then Hell ya.I remember Spin City use to come on at about the same time - which pissed me off.Both entertaining(at the time)
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Maybe Alex Jones can have you both on his show
I forgot he was based in Austin TX lol.
You know, the guy really went off the deep end with some of the stuff he said- but that video he shot at least 25 years ago of the Bohemian Grove shit was super disturbing and he had been talking about that sicko Epstein and that disgusting island years before anybody else was saying a word. Blind squirrel finds a nut, right?
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hahaha. I like it.
I have to admit. I always liked Texas. I don't know why. Maybe the uniforms and Ricky Williams and VY.
Would be nice to see Texas make a comeback on the national stage.
I feel the same way about Michigan. I really thought Harbaugh would do well. Shows what I know about college coaching.
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I forgot he was based in Austin TX lol.
You know, the guy really went off the deep end with some of the stuff he said- but that video he shot at least 25 years ago of the Bohemian Grove shit was super disturbing and he had been talking about that sicko Epstein and that disgusting island years before anybody else was saying a word. Blind squirrel finds a nut, right?
Not only is he from Austin, I actually went to high school with him. He's a couple years younger than I am. If he knows only one thing, it's how to monetize his base.
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Fair enough. Then GT is a school full of nerds without a logo as iconic as Miami or a vocal supporter close to Campbell (his fame might be overrated, but it dwarfs any person who could make Tech cool).
I think Miami really got kind of lucky to be honest. It happens.
Before 1980 it was literally nothing. Schnellenberger built it up by bringing a modern (for that time) passing game at a time when everything was literally wishbone, option, 3 yards and a cloud of dust still- by convincing top local kids that would never go to Miami to stay home and to come to Miami, and he also recruited kids from some rough ghettos of South Florida that the big football schools in the country for one reason or another just wouldn't recruit at the time. Now Miami's problem is they can barely keep top kids to stay home now and everyone recruits those all those kids down there now. Miami also took a massive jump up in conference play. They were Independent for a lot of years and then joined a pretty lean Big East- and really ever since they've jumped up to the ACC and had much tougher conference play- they've been struggling.
Miami could've went into the tank after Schnellenberger left, but they somehow or another fell face first immediately into Jimmy Johnson- a guy that was an even better coach than the previous one- and btw is so underrated as an all-time great and really just might be the best coach not named Belichik of the last 30+ years. Jimmy was even better at Miami than Schnellenberger and really built it up to another level over his 5 years- and then Dennis Erickson replaced Jimmy and just kept it going until the whole thing came crashing down in scandal/probation. Miami went through a little struggle under Jimmy Johnson disciple Butch Davis coming off probation, took him 6 years to finally breakthrough. His OC Coker got promoted to head coach, and it was a slow slide downhill after 2-3 years once all of Davis' recruits cycled out of the program.
Miami's entire history is really 3 coaches. Schnellenberger built it up, Jimmy took over and then took it to another level, and then Jimmy's disciple Butch Davis rebuilt it back up after Jimmy's replacement Erickson had the program come undone by NCAA probation/sanctions. Erickson had it on auto-pilot until they got popped by the NCAA and Coker was just a guy who was handed the keys to a Ferrari for a couple years.
They've stepped up hugely in conference play by joining the ACC, they are way behind in the facilities/stadium arms race, and the higher ups at the school really don't care about football and honestly never did- which is why Schnellenberger left and why Butch Davis also left. Butch turned down the Houston Texans and Alabama before finally accepting the Browns job two years later. And they can't keep the home town talent there- cat is just too out of the bag and South Florida is open season now- every school in the country recruits down there.
In Miami's backyard- just off the top of my head- Patrick Peterson (1st rd pick), Amari Cooper (1st rd pick), Joey Bosa (1st rd pick), Nick Bosa (1st rd pick), Dalvin Cook (2nd rd pick- baffling- should've been 1st rd), Sony Michel (1st rd pick), Calvin Riddley (1st rd pick), Brian Burns (1st rd pick), Trayvon Mullen (1st rd pick), Jerry Juedy (1st rd pick). They look a lot different with these players staying home to play for them.
They aren't locking up their backyard anymore, they are struggling to keep them in. FSU, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, ND, and everyone else is taking them basically at will. Miami is dead imo. That home-grown talent is what made them- and they can't keep it all to themselves anymore.
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I have to admit. I always liked Texas. I don't know why.
I feel the same way about Michigan. I really thought Harbaugh would do well. Shows what I know about college coaching.
Good you two deserve each other.Though I did stick up for the Horns vs USC in '05/'06.BTW 94 your Beer Thread is 15 yrs old this week
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Misery loves company I suppose.
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Bob Stoops?
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Urban Meyer leaves Florida because of health issues.
Urban Meyer leaves Ohio State because of...? Why did he leave? Naughty business?
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Urban Meyer leaves Ohio State because of...? Why did he leave? Naughty business?
His mentors drunken grandson brought him down. Kinda crazy.
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Urban Meyer leaves Florida because of health issues.
Urban Meyer leaves Ohio State because of...? Why did he leave? Naughty business?
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Head aches too which had been mentioned he had minor surgery in '14 I believe
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His mentors drunken grandson brought him down. Kinda crazy.
Not really,it was his own reaction before the BIG Media Days in 2018.I forget the ambush article though there were threads of truth in it.Urbz knew it and dismissed the surfacing info rather smugly.He should have had a prepared statement and let Gene deal with the rest but sometimes he gets a little full of himself
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Not really,it was his own reaction before the BIG Media Days in 2018.I forget the ambush article though there were threads of truth in it.Urbz knew it and dismissed the surfacing info rather smugly.He should have had a prepared statement and let Gene deal with the rest but sometimes he gets a little full of himself
Oh man, he sounds like an ideal fit at Texas, then!
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Florida has 8 5* players.
Georgia and Texas have 4. California 1. Pennsylvania 2. Ohio 1.
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Florida has 8 5* players.
Georgia and Texas have 4. California 1. Pennsylvania 2. Ohio 1.
Oh man, you're trying to screw up this thread with football talk? I'll show you!
Coronavirus cases MA trending down in Austin metro area. Hopsitalizations holding steady.
Take THAT, hombre.
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Florida has 8 5* players.
Georgia and Texas have 4. California 1. Pennsylvania 2. Ohio 1.
Ya but if a Saban or Meyer or Swinney or Carrol land(ed) a 3* or 4*,they become 4*/5* in short order
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Coronavirus cases MA trending down in Austin metro area. Hopsitalizations holding steady.
Take THAT, hombre.
Have to check with Alex 1st
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UTee.. bastage.
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Not sure who Kentuckians look down on, but I'm sure there's someone.
I think I know but I’d rather not say.
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In Texas we have a saying-- "Arkansas, the only state Oklahoma can make fun of."
you're not wrong
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Sh!t rolls downhill. In Chicago, when we wanted to make fun of slack-jawed yokels, we made fun of Indiana. In Indiana, they did the same, but the target became Kentucky. Not sure who Kentuckians look down on, but I'm sure there's someone.
West Virginia, or better yet, Appalachian people?
My mom, who was raised in rural Indiana, went to UK in Lexington, and worked her twenties in downtown Chicago, would attest to exactly how you're progressing this food chain. She would say people in Louisville and Lexington made fun of the coal mining Eastern Kentuckians and West Virginians.
IMO (and without any intention of pretentiousness), east of the Rockies, I divide rural white American into two broad groups: The "farmer" and the "hunter" - the divide based on how their lands dictate sustenance.
Since farming lends itself to stricter routine, dependable work ethic, maintaining machinery, and well organized local economies connected by rail to fellow farming economies, I find the farming regions less redneck-y than the more isolated "squirrel hunting" regions across the Ozarks (Missouri/Arkansas) AND the Appalachian regions of Western PA, West Virginia, Blue Ridge Virginia, Coal Mining Kentucky, Smokey MTN Tennessee, and Western Carolina where the rockier, uneven soils do not lend toward growing Corn and Grain.
Case in point, looking back on my midwestern youth, Missouri had the more redneck-y reputation than Kansas, Iowa, and Minnesota. The barns on the lower half of the Missouri Ozarks side of the border were never as well maintained (if not gone to hell by the time the Meth epidemic hit the Ozarks hard in the early 2000s). Deer/Turkey hunting was a much more emphasized activity, kids wore their hunting camo to school, more rifles were owned in nearly every household, and the roads weren't as efficiently designed due to their templating off old logging and mining trails rather than the flatter, more grid-like farm-to-market roads networking northward the corn farming counties in the Upper Midwest and westward across the many shallower-soiled grain counties heading past Salinas and Grand Island.
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Since farming lends itself to stricter routine, dependable work ethic, maintaining machinery, and well organized local economies connected by rail to fellow farming economies, I find the farming regions less redneck-y than the more isolated "squirrel hunting" regions across the Ozarks (Missouri/Arkansas) AND the Appalachian regions of Western PA, West Virginia, Blue Ridge Virginia, Coal Mining Kentucky, Smokey MTN Tennessee, and Western Carolina where the rockier, uneven soils do not lend toward growing Corn and Grain.
Case in point, looking back on my midwestern youth, Missouri had the more redneck-y reputation than Kansas, Iowa, and Minnesota. The barns on the lower half of the Missouri Ozarks side of the border were never as well maintained (if not gone to hell by the time the Meth epidemic hit the Ozarks hard in the early 2000s). Deer/Turkey hunting was a much more emphasized activity, kids wore their hunting camo to school, more rifles were owned in nearly every household, and the roads weren't as efficiently designed due to their templating off old logging and mining trails rather than the flatter, more grid-like farm-to-market roads networking northward the corn farming counties in the Upper Midwest and westward across the many shallower-soiled grain counties heading past Salinas and Grand Island.
Interesting... Never really thought much about it, being the city slicker that I am... But it makes sense.
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People who live in the eastern US mountains have a specific twang accent, usually. They may say "up er" instead of "up there" for example.
Real farming is hard work and to be successful at all you need discipline unless it's weed.
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People who live in the eastern US mountains have a specific twang accent, usually. They may say "up er" instead of "up there" for example.
Real farming is hard work and to be successful at all you need discipline unless it's weed.
Ovah yondah.....rural GA folk.
There were certain words/phrases my rural GA extended family used that my brother and I (urban FL) didn't.
yonder, reckon,....some others.
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Not sure who Kentuckians look down on, but I'm sure there's someone.
I think I know but I’d rather not say.
Can you tell me what states the Hatfields and the McCoys were from?
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Real farming is hard work and to be successful at all you need discipline unless it's weed.
WORD!You obviously have to know agriculture/crops/pest control/fertilizing.You have to know livestock and their care and illnesses.Have to be able to work on Tractors,combines,balers,spreaders,planters,sprayers,plows,pick ups.And from dawn to dusk work harder than an ugly stripper and make sure the eggs are acceptable to the Egg Lobby
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Real farming is hard work and to be successful at all you need discipline unless it's weed.
Apparently I can keep basil alive (and thriving). Does that count?
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Basil grows great here, we grow both Thai basil and Sweet Italian basil.
It adores the sunlight, but in the peak of summer when temps are hitting 100+ for weeks in a row, you have to water it daily if you have it in pots. Or every other day, if it's in the ground.
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I reckon so.
We'd spend a few weeks each summer on my grandparent's farm in TN. I'd try and pitch in with things like bailing hay. You do NOT want to bail hay. I was a skinny weak 11 year old or so and that kicked my butt. I also tried my hand at plowing behind a mule. I thought you just walked along behind the mule. Nope.
They wouldn't let us into the tobacco field for obvious reasons once it got high, but I spent some time deworming tobacco plants when they were small. Tobacco worms are amazing things. Nicotine is very poisonous of course.
If we wanted eggs for breakfast, we had to go get'em out yonder in the chicken house, I believe.
We used to rastle calves in the barn, I got holt of one oncet that was too big fer me.
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Apparently I can keep basil alive (and thriving). Does that count?
Ya sure we'll go with cannabis basil
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Apparently I can keep basil alive (and thriving). Does that count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia657B_FGZ4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtLrwovCIa8
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rural farming (crops) isn't as labor intensive or as tough as it was a few decades ago
kids don't even walk beans any longer, let alone throw hay bales
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(https://i.imgur.com/dXWrtid.jpg)
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So he has a proctology exam
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rural farming (crops) isn't as labor intensive or as tough as it was a few decades ago
kids don't even walk beans any longer, let alone throw hay bales
True, I had a close up look at a combine a few years back, GPS, XM radio, A/C, padded seat. Speaking of something that will be automated soon enough ...
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True, I had a close up look at a combine a few years back, GPS, XM radio, A/C, padded seat. Speaking of something that will be automated soon enough ...
They already are. At this point the farmer is only in the seat as a precautionary measure.
For a lot of tasks, such as distributing fertilizer or pesticide, you don't want to miss a spot nor do you want to double-cover a spot, both for optimal crop yield and to save money, and a computer can get you precision that the farmer can't do manually.
Heck, this was back in the mid-oughts, but the company I worked for at the time was selling industrial single-board-computers to the companies producing the automation systems. I can only imagine it's gotten even more advanced in the last ~15 years.
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So, I could sit in a seat and listen to tunes and drink beer ad get paid for it?
Can you be charged for a DUI in a combine?
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Many farmers do just that, drink beer while "farming"
as long as you stay off public roads, no DUI
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Can you tell me what states the Hatfields and the McCoys were from?
I'll take that one for Kris.
West Virginia and Kentucky, respectively.
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They already are. At this point the farmer is only in the seat as a precautionary measure.
For a lot of tasks, such as distributing fertilizer
A lot of people doing this on the board. :57:
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http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Fertilizer.html#:~:text=Primary%20fertilizers%20include%20substances%20derived,of%20natural%20gas%20and%20air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
The Haber process, one of the most significant innovations in human history, largely ignored.
Ammonia was first manufactured using the Haber process on an industrial scale in 1913 in BASF's Oppau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwigshafen#Oppau) plant in Germany, reaching 20 tonnes per day the following year.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-12) During World War I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I), the production of munitions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munitions) required large amounts of nitrate. The Allies had access to large sodium nitrate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrate) deposits in Chile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile) (Chile saltpetre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltpetre)) controlled by British companies. Germany had no such resources, so the Haber process proved essential to the German war effort.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-hager-5)[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-ny_times-13) Synthetic ammonia from the Haber process was used for the production of nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_acid), a precursor to the nitrates used in explosives.
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A lot of people doing this on the board. :57:
And yet the only thing it's growing is more fertilizer :96:
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It comes full circle. Once Kentucky makes fun of us we turn around and look at Chicago and NY with crime, and taxes, and homelessness, and traffic and say, “Meh, y’all can have it.”
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It's good if you can live where you want to live, as opposed to living somewhere because of your job or other consideration and hating it.
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It comes full circle. Once Kentucky makes fun of us we turn around and look at Chicago and NY with crime, and taxes, and homelessness, and traffic and say, “Meh, y’all can have it.”
NY'ers make fun of everyone, and then they all move down here and screw things up.
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I hired a guy from California, Lake County, nice place, he was at Yale when we hired him. He went home for the Holidays and his folks asked him how long he had to stay in Cincinnati.
E.g., OK, how long is your sentence?
He's retired now, still in Cincinnati. Very nice guy.
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NY'ers make fun of everyone, and then they all move down here and screw things up.
NYers make fun of everyone, and everyone makes fun of them. It works fine for all of us.
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NY can go 2020 itself.
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NY'ers make fun of everyone, and then they all move down here and screw things up.
Hey, hey,...as far as your neighbors are concerned, you're part of the "war of northern aggression" crowd, too.
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^^^^^^
He's got a point. Southerners don't distinguish between yankees from NY, and yankees from Chicago. You all still talk too fast, with a weird accent, and have strange obsessions with sausages and hotdogs and other mundane stuff.
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^^^^^^
He's got a point. Southerners don't distinguish between yankees from NY, and yankees from Chicago. You all still talk too fast, with a weird accent, and have strange obsessions with sausages and hotdogs and other mundane stuff.
😂😂😂
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I hired a guy from California, Lake County, nice place, he was at Yale when we hired him. He went home for the Holidays and his folks asked him how long he had to stay in Cincinnati.
E.g., OK, how long is your sentence?
He's retired now, still in Cincinnati. Very nice guy.
Ca. is weird because there are def people who look down on other parts of the country, and the rest of the country gives Ca. nonsensical sh*$ as well.
Also, depending on the time frame, big parts of Lake County have no room to look down on anyone.
(The secret is, most places are mostly fine, and I say that as a person who very much likes the non-Ca. place he lives and is still probably close to a move. Stupid jobs)
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Hey, hey,...as far as your neighbors are concerned, you're part of the "war of northern aggression" crowd, too.
Nope. I fled the North and didn't bring any of it with me.
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But.... are you flying a Confederate flag from your yacht?
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What color are you wearing during the annual re-enactment?
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I'm in SW Florida. Nobody is from here.
I don't have a boat yet, here or in Wisconsin.
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I'm in SW Florida. Nobody is from here.
Same thing in Austin, nobody is from here.
Well, except me, I guess.
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Kinky Friedman,SRV,Mathew Mac. and Alex Jones - off the top of my head.And Fearless/Bwarb in the future
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Fearless and Bwar might move here, but they're not FROM here. Keep up, son!
And Stevie was from Dallas, Matty from Longview in East Texas. But you got me on Kinky and Alex, they both at least graduated high school in Austin. So I guess there are three of us...
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Well after listening to you and Alex - I guess some Cat named Kinky is the only logical one - I'd never move there
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Thank You For Your Support
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Toss in some Winter Warmer from Live Oak then I'll stay - promise
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don't forget Leslie Cochran
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Toss in some Winter Warmer from Live Oak then I'll stay - promise
They have two winter seasonals, the regular one is called Primus and it's a weizenbock that clocks in at 8% ABV. Then they've finally re-released the long-lost Treehugger barleywine, which tips the scales at a hefty 11.5% ABV. Both are delicious and I currently have a case of each in the beer fridge.
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I'm on my way..........
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They have two winter seasonals, the regular one is called Primus and it's a weizenbock that clocks in at 8% ABV.
Jeebis I forgot about these, Wheat-bocks 😍 Ayinger makes a good one Great Lakes also makes Glockenspeil or sum such very good.Best one I had from tap at some little outta the way Brew Pub about 15 miles south
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I'm on my way..........
Hold on I'll tag along - bastage has two cases - at least he know how to hord
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i also have a crap-ton of toilet paper. I'm the toilet paper czar of Austin Texas.
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Commode abode - how many wimenz you have in there
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Two. Wife, and 13yo daughter.
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Then you're certainly not over buying
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http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Fertilizer.html#:~:text=Primary%20fertilizers%20include%20substances%20derived,of%20natural%20gas%20and%20air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
The Haber process, one of the most significant innovations in human history, largely ignored.
Ammonia was first manufactured using the Haber process on an industrial scale in 1913 in BASF's Oppau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwigshafen#Oppau) plant in Germany, reaching 20 tonnes per day the following year.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-12) During World War I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I), the production of munitions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munitions) required large amounts of nitrate. The Allies had access to large sodium nitrate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrate) deposits in Chile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile) (Chile saltpetre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltpetre)) controlled by British companies. Germany had no such resources, so the Haber process proved essential to the German war effort.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-hager-5)[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process#cite_note-ny_times-13) Synthetic ammonia from the Haber process was used for the production of nitric acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_acid), a precursor to the nitrates used in explosives.
For a nation that is short of strategic raw materials, Germany sure managed to be in on the start of a couple of monstrous wars that demanded massive production of things that they couldn't produce naturally.
In both WWs, they were terribly short of crude oil.
The hghest-octane avgas the Germans could mass-produce in WWII was 87. The U.S. mass-produced Avgas in grades up to 150 octane.
That meant that the Germans had to use lower-compression engines, so to get the same amount of power, they had to use much-bigger engines.
The Rolls-Royce/Packard-Merlin displaced 1649 c.i. In the mid-war Merlin 61 variant, it could produce 1,580 hp at 23,500 feet on full supercharger with 100/130-grade avgas.
The mid-war Daimler-Benz DB-605AM displaced 2,176 c.i. On its 87-octane avgas, it could produce 1,065 hp at 23,000 feet on full supercharger with water-methanol injection.
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One of the things that irks me all the time is people who think they gain some benefit from using higher-octane gas than their car recommends.
The idea of higher octane is that it retards ignition--meaning it's harder to burn than lower octane.
This is important, as you point out, in very high compression performance engines. In those engines you need to retard ignition because the heat and pressure will cause ignition before the spark goes off if your octane is too low... Which is very very bad. Modern cars can compensate for this such that if you put 87 in a car that recommends 93, it won't be horrible, but it's not good.
If your car DOESN'T have high compression ratios, there is literally no benefit whatsoever to higher octane than your owner's manual recommends. You're throwing money right down the drain.
I liken it to the misplaced idea that people have that bottled beer is better than canned, because premium beer comes [actually should be past tense now that so many craft beers have canning lines] in bottles. But bottles are actually inferior packages to cans in almost every way, yet people will fool themselves to think beer tastes "better" out of a bottle because they associate bottles with premium.
Same with cars. High-end sports cars require higher octane, so people assume it must be better gas. But it's not. It's actually in one way worse [harder to ignite] but that's a benefit in a high-compression engine. It's no benefit otherwise.
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We need minimum 91. What is sold is 93. I did find 92 at Costco here, but it's a 45 minute drive.
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Texas was the first state I'd ever seen 86 before, when I moved cross-country like 12 years ago. Jesus, time flies.
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i also have a crap-ton of toilet paper. I'm the toilet paper czar of Austin Texas.
TP is one of the few things you can't buy too much of. It addresses something you will not stop doing any time soon (hopefully).
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I noticed that in Colorado, gas is 85 and 87.5 octane. Is that due to altitude?
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One of the things that irks me all the time is people who think they gain some benefit from using higher-octane gas than their car recommends.
The idea of higher octane is that it retards ignition--meaning it's harder to burn than lower octane.
As you may know we've been excersizing our snoblowers recently and they said stay away from anything with ethanol as it is hard on gaskets/seasls/o-rings.Some one suggested 89 instead of 87 and my rebuilt 1980 TORO is running like a raped ape.I'll find some 87 over at Shell/Marathon and mix just to play it safe
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(https://i.imgur.com/b2lOeKR.png)
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I liken it to the misplaced idea that people have that bottled beer is better than canned, because premium beer comes [actually should be past tense now that so many craft beers have canning lines] in bottles. But bottles are actually inferior packages to cans in almost every way, yet people will fool themselves to think beer tastes "better" out of a bottle because they associate bottles with premium.
Truth!!! Brewers have been lining cans with wax I believe for quite some time.Light is the real enemy of beer and this has been proven.And even dark bottles let a little in and artificial light is almost as bad.But I'm preaching to the choir
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Old,bitter,drunken 94 just a stirrin' up the pot
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Hey I'm not drunk!
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Wouldn't shock me if Urbz got his jock on one last time.But Life in the booth is just easy money comparatively
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Wouldn't shock me if Urbz got his jock on one last time.But Life in the booth is just easy money comparatively
No doubt about it.
I don't know anything about him, you all know his history and personality way better than I do.
From what I hear, he and his family are very concerned over his health and taking a high pressure coaching job is certainly not going to help in that department.
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If he goes anywhere, and to me that's a big if, I think it would be USC.
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Supposedly The University of Spoiled Children' President/BOTs didn't like the way things unfolded in C-Bus.After some questionable hires themselves are looking to right the ship from snippets I've read.But that was on a Buckeye Board so who knows
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Supposedly The University of Spoiled Children' President/BOTs didn't like the way things unfolded in C-Bus.After some questionable hires themselves are looking to right the ship from snippets I've read.But that was on a Buckeye Board so who knows
I heard similar but it's just internet gossip.
I don't even recall how/why he left coaching at tOSU? The silly tattoo thing was Tressel right? I really have no recollection of how things went down for Urban a couple years back, but admittedly I don't follow B1G coaching drama very closely (or, at all).
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I really have no recollection of how things went down for Urban a couple years back, but admittedly I don't follow B1G coaching drama very closely (or, at all).
Well Earle Bruce's son in law Zack Smith was on the staff for quite some time both in FLA and C-Bus.Well Zack's behavior personally/professionally seemed to most conduct unbecoming.And Urbz didn't appear real vigilant in matters.Well when Ubrz was questioned by Brett McMurphy about strange going ons right before BIG Media Days in 2018 URBZ dismissed it wholesale rather than "No comment" or directing it to the AD.
So it appeared the Program let the asst coach run wild as long as they won.IMO Urbz should have nipped it in the bud a while ago rather than let it fester.It was kind of a hit piece by McMurphy but not with out some merit.It gave the appearance of the Captain running a loose ship.And by sweeping things under the rug to save face made it appear worse than than things actuually were.People started concocting many juicy yarns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/08/23/how-urban-meyer-dodged-facing-questions-about-worst-parts-of-ohio-state-investigation-findings/
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Well Earle Bruce's son in law Zack Smith was on the staff for quite some time both in FLA and C-Bus.Well Zack's behavior personally/professionally seemed to most conduct unbecoming.And Urbz didn't appear real vigilant in matters.Well when Ubrz was questioned by Brett McMurphy about strange going ons right before BIG Media Days in 2018 URBZ dismissed it wholesale rather than "No comment" or directing it to the AD.So it appeared the Program let the asst coach run wild as long as they won.IMO Urbz should have nipped it in the bud a while ago rather than let it fester.It was kind of a hit piece by McMurphy but not with out some merit.It gave the appearance of the Captain running a loose ship.And by sweeping things under the rug to save face made it appear worse than than things actuually were.People started concocting many juicy yarns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/08/23/how-urban-meyer-dodged-facing-questions-about-worst-parts-of-ohio-state-investigation-findings/
Ah okay. I know of Zach Smith's history, from his feud with Tom Herman. But I didn't remember his abusive behavior as part of the reason Meyer was pushed aside.
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Well the things is Zack's wife turned out to be crazier than him.Ya had to feel for the kids.One time she set him up(after seperation/divorce) he had to abide by court order and he showed up to picked the kids up when and where he wasn't suppose to be but she said it was OK - then called the cops.Another time he tried to leave the house and his ex stood in the doorway not letting him leave.So he shoved her aside to leave, she calls the cops and said he got physical.Strange thing was Zack's MIL took his side in some of this.Both were fine examples of bad examples and one has to wish the kids the best
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Yup, you can't help but feel for the kids, when the parents are acting like infants themselves. I hope they can somehow find a safe and nurturing environment.
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MY bad Zack was Earle Bruce's grand son not SIL,supposedly this was why Zack got such a long leash.Urban was a grad assistant on Earle's staff sometime in the'80s.It was still on Urbz to reign it in a bit.Things were stirred up and Urbz's dayz in C-Bus were numbered I believe
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I think he ultimately resigned due to health. There were times on the sideline where he looked terrible.
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That could be but the off field bombast didn't help things along and prolly brought on conditions.
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No doubt.
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Hey I'm not drunk!
sounds like a personal problem
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my low compression Chevy's run just fine on low octane corn juice
beer is meant to be poured into a glass, so bottle or can it shouldn't matter if the bottles don't sit in the warm sun too long.
an extra 10 million would go a long way to pay medical bills if Urban's stress level got a bit too high in Austin
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my low compression Chevy's run just fine on low octane corn juice
beer is meant to be poured into a glass, so bottle or can it shouldn't matter if the bottles don't sit in the warm sun too long.
an extra 10 million would go a long way to pay medical bills if Urban's stress level got a bit too high in Austin
Rumors are he's been offered $12M/year. Originally 5 years at $60M and then later 7 years at $84M. Who knows if that's true or not, though.
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Rumors are he's been offered $12M/year. Originally 5 years at $60M and then later 7 years at $84M. Who knows if that's true or not, though.
damn I was on the money in the initial post haha. I said you gotta offer him 5 years, $60 million. Got to give him stupid $ and offer him every single thing he wants, complete control, literally anything he wants- go above and beyond and make him say no.
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If he goes anywhere, and to me that's a big if, I think it would be USC.
I don't see that one. Texas is a better job imo. Easily.
Not sure the higher ups at USC really give a shit about the football program. And they don't have the kind of money or support that Texas offers.
UF, OSU - live and breathe football. Which is part of the reason Urban had success there. At USC it's just kind of whatever. I don't think he's going anywhere where the feeling about the football program from the higher ups- is meh- whatever.
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damn I was on the money in the initial post haha. I said you gotta offer him 5 years, $60 million. Got to give him stupid $ and offer him every single thing he wants, complete control, literally anything he wants- go above and beyond and make him say no.
If rumors are to be believed, that's exactly what has happened. Supposedly, he's been granted everything he's asked for, including guaranteed assistant 3-yr contracts at whatever amounts he wanted. If he's not hired, it will be simply because he doesn't want to be the coach at Texas.
But, internet rumors are internet rumors, as always.
I do think Tom Herman is done, though. If Texas can't convince Urban to come, then it'll likely be one of the other coaches already mentioned on this thread.
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If rumors are to be believed, that's exactly what has happened. Supposedly, he's been granted everything he's asked for, including guaranteed assistant 3-yr contracts at whatever amounts he wanted. If he's not hired, it will be simply because he doesn't want to be the coach at Texas.
But, internet rumors are internet rumors, as always.
I do think Tom Herman is done, though. If Texas can't convince Urban to come, then it'll likely be one of the other coaches already mentioned on this thread.
I read that as well- and I also read the rumors Urban asked them to make major facilities upgrades and Texas said sure thing.
Higher ups at USC aren't matching the $12m per year, complete control, guaranteed assistant money, or the multi-million dollars in facility upgrades. A) they really don't care that much, and B) they don't have the money.
IF all these rumors are true and Urban doesn't take the Texas job- he's probably never getting into coaching again imo. If you turn down the best offer ever- you probably aren't coaching anymore.
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https://footballscoop.com/news/the-highest-grossing-football-programs-in-college-football-are/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/the-highest-grossing-football-programs-in-college-football-are/)
For 2018-2019 FY. Texas football is #1, grossed $156 million, a whopping $33 million more than the #2 football program- Georgia. Michigan #3 at $122 million, ND #4 at $116 million, and Ohio St #5 at $115 million. B1G with 5 programs in the top 15 and cracking the $90 million mark- M, OSU, Penn State ($100m), Nebraska ($94m), and Wisconsin ($90m).
USC? 4th in the PAC, raking in $50 million. A cool $106 million less than Texas. If it turns into a bidding war and guarantees for assistants/facilities upgrades- USC literally cannot compete. Which is why I think they are not a serious threat. Urban will be at Texas or he'll be in the tv booth and he's never coming back.
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk put his California houses on the market this year while he was sparring with state lawmakers over Covid-19 restrictions. He’s simultaneously been expanding operations in Texas and cozying up to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.
Now, several of his close friends and associates say that Musk has told them he’s planning to move to the Lone Star State. The people with knowledge of his plans asked not to be named because their conversations were private.
Musk, the world’s second-wealthiest person behind Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, is in Texas frequently already. He spends most of his time between Austin, where Tesla and his tunnel start-up Boring Company have operations, and a coastal village called Boca Chica, home to a SpaceX facility. SpaceX started operating in Texas in 2003.
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk put his California houses on the market this year while he was sparring with state lawmakers over Covid-19 restrictions. He’s simultaneously been expanding operations in Texas and cozying up to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.
Now, several of his close friends and associates say that Musk has told them he’s planning to move to the Lone Star State. The people with knowledge of his plans asked not to be named because their conversations were private.
Musk, the world’s second-wealthiest person behind Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, is in Texas frequently already. He spends most of his time between Austin, where Tesla and his tunnel start-up Boring Company have operations, and a coastal village called Boca Chica, home to a SpaceX facility. SpaceX started operating in Texas in 2003.
Honestly, it makes sense and there have been rumors for years that Tesla was leaving California. If you own a business, it makes zero sense to be located in California. Literally zero. Texas is a MUCH better place to run a business from than California- and it's not close.
Maybe Elon can gift a Model S or a rocket ship to get Urban to come to Texas too?
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they could be neighbors
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Honestly, it makes sense and there have been rumors for years that Tesla was leaving California. If you own a business, it makes zero sense to be located in California. Literally zero. Texas is a MUCH better place to run a business from than California- and it's not close.
Maybe Elon can gift a Model S or a rocket ship to get Urban to come to Texas too?
I'm all for it, Musk can certainly afford it.
https://footballscoop.com/news/the-highest-grossing-football-programs-in-college-football-are/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/the-highest-grossing-football-programs-in-college-football-are/)
For 2018-2019 FY. Texas football is #1, grossed $156 million, a whopping $33 million more than the #2 football program- Georgia. Michigan #3 at $122 million, ND #4 at $116 million, and Ohio St #5 at $115 million. B1G with 5 programs in the top 15 and cracking the $90 million mark- M, OSU, Penn State ($100m), Nebraska ($94m), and Wisconsin ($90m).
USC? 4th in the PAC, raking in $50 million. A cool $106 million less than Texas. If it turns into a bidding war and guarantees for assistants/facilities upgrades- USC literally cannot compete. Which is why I think they are not a serious threat. Urban will be at Texas or he'll be in the tv booth and he's never coming back.
And that's after about a decade of futility in Longhorn football. The money being thrown at Urban would be paid back tenfold over the course of his contract, if he were to be as successful as I think he'd probably be. That kind of ROI makes the decision to hire a no-brainer.
But, he'll obviously have to make the right decision for himself, considering his health and his family's wishes, whatever those might be.
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Wouldn't shock me if Urbz got his jock on one last time.But Life in the booth is just easy money comparatively
It's like promising yourself you'll never put yourself through another DIY move. Until the biggest house in town opens up. Texas is about the biggest house on the college football block, at least in terms of potential. Meyer's presence alone would get the needle moving with the recruiting and the fundamentals, but longer term, the program will be in better health if the coordinators shoulder more of the burden of leadership. But the whole health excuse I find overblown. UT has the money to cryogenically keep Coach Meyer going.
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It's like promising yourself you'll never put yourself through another DIY move. Until the biggest house in town opens up. Texas is about the biggest house on the college football block, at least in terms of potential. Meyer's presence alone would get the needle moving with the recruiting and the fundamentals, but longer term, the program will be in better health if the coordinators shoulder more of the burden of leadership. But the whole health excuse I find overblown. UT has the money to cryogenically keep Coach Meyer going.
Coaching is like a drug to these guys. As much as they say they're done they never can put it down. Especially the great ones who really love it. I can't imagine a tv job compares to it. Same thing with great players- with the player though their body betrays them and they just can't do it anymore. Nothing they ever do can match what they got from playing or coaching.
Best case scenario for Texas, they land Meyer and get 5-6 years and a chip or two out of him, and then Meyer builds a foundation like he did at OSU and has a hand-picked successor to take over and keep it going- Ryan Day is 20-1 as a head coach.
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Ryan Day is 20-1 as a head coach.
Is that good? That seems good.
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Honestly, it makes sense and there have been rumors for years that Tesla was leaving California. If you own a business, it makes zero sense to be located in California. Literally zero. Texas is a MUCH better place to run a business from than California- and it's not close.
Maybe Elon can gift a Model S or a rocket ship to get Urban to come to Texas too?
I don't know about "zero" sense. You go where the talent is, and there is a LOT of talent in California.
Now, if he "moves" Tesla to Texas, it'll be just like the "move" that HPE just announced, where they're moving headquarters to Texas, but still maintaining a campus in San Jose and will retain the employees there. Tesla isn't going to just pull out of their factory in Fremont, and they're not going to fire or force a move for their engineering staff in the Bay Area. They know that all of their best talent will have their PICK of other jobs in the Bay Area, and many won't move.
It makes a lot of sense for companies to move HQ. It makes a lot of sense for companies to diversify geographically to pick up talent in multiple pools. But the Bay Area is still, IMHO, the LARGEST pool of talent for tech, and it's not close.
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They should all move to Ohio, not Texas.
Except for Urban Meyer of course.
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I don't know about "zero" sense. You go where the talent is, and there is a LOT of talent in California.
Now, if he "moves" Tesla to Texas, it'll be just like the "move" that HPE just announced, where they're moving headquarters to Texas, but still maintaining a campus in San Jose and will retain the employees there. Tesla isn't going to just pull out of their factory in Fremont, and they're not going to fire or force a move for their engineering staff in the Bay Area. They know that all of their best talent will have their PICK of other jobs in the Bay Area, and many won't move.
It makes a lot of sense for companies to move HQ. It makes a lot of sense for companies to diversify geographically to pick up talent in multiple pools. But the Bay Area is still, IMHO, the LARGEST pool of talent for tech, and it's not close.
we all know how this works....
they don't all move right away, they don't all move. But, they don't add anyone in the old facility, all additions are in Texas. Little by little the majority ends up in Texas.
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They should all move to Ohio, not Texas.
Except for Urban Meyer of course.
my brother hopes they all move to Round Rock
he is renting his house there while living in Dallas, hoping to some day be able to seel the house in RR for a pile of money
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it just keeps getting better
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Yup, he's clearly in Austin now, already coaching the team. Done deal I guess.
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we all know how this works....
they don't all move right away, they don't all move. But, they don't add anyone in the old facility, all additions are in Texas. Little by little the majority ends up in Texas.
Yeah, and then they acquire some up and coming startup in the Bay Area and the cycle starts anew lol...
94's giant computer company employer has been based in Austin from the start... And their careers page has 462 job openings posted in CA right now (some may be miscategorized--I just did a quick look). Many of those from the first few pages are due to them buying a company that provides Virtual Machine softWARE...
They might end up with a smaller footprint in CA in the long haul, but trust me, Silicon Valley isn't going anywhere.
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Pre-COVID I think VMWare would eventually end up with jobs shifting to Austin. EMC certainly has had a lot of their more operationally focused jobs move from Mass to Texas over the past 4 years.
But now, I think we're going to see a major shift both at my company, and many many others, to WFH. So physical location won't be nearly as important.
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But now, I think we're going to see a major shift both at my company, and many many others, to WFH. So physical location won't be nearly as important.
I'm all about WFH. I just want to do it in Austin.
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I'm all about WFH. I just want to do it in Austin.
My campaign is a complete failure.
Tell you what, you bring Urban along with you, and it's all good. He's in Southern California right now, so it should be easy to grab him.
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The Ford Flex would be an excellent kidnapping car... So much room.
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Ryan Day is 20-1 as a head coach.
Terry Bowden started 19-1-1 at Auburn.
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The boosters are part of the cultural problem at Texas for sure. They have more than enough money though. The Sabans and Meyers level coaches can go places with that kind of money where they will be king. So they won't be going where some rich fairies think they've bought a new cabana boy. Plus it is a bad environment for players. They tend to be coddled and underachieve.
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Terry Bowden started 19-1-1 at Auburn.
but, wasn't he caught cheating
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With the secretary if I remember right,guy wasn't a bad coach.Had winning records except at Akron - that's tough sell for football,pretty good at soccer though
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so Pat Dye and Tommy Bowden got caught cheating and left that for Bobby?
poor memory for me
I'm lucky to have the intranet
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The boosters are part of the cultural problem at Texas for sure. They have more than enough money though. The Sabans and Meyers level coaches can go places with that kind of money where they will be king. So they won't be going where some rich fairies think they've bought a new cabana boy. Plus it is a bad environment for players. They tend to be coddled and underachieve.
No doubt, but I think every huge school with shitloads of cash has problems with boosters.
Urban dealt with rich ahole alumns like that at UF and OSU. I think he’d be OK at UT. It’s not his first rodeo. My guess is Urban wouldn’t even consider the UT job unless he was given guarantees he’d have complete and total control of everything football related down to the guy who cuts the grass, and given assurances the boosters would fall in line.
At the end of the day winning is all that matters. If Urban went to Texas and won big- which judging by his track record that is all but certainty- boosters would line up to kiss his ass.
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as we all know
they will kiss his arse until his first loss
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as we all know
they will kiss his arse until his first loss
Yup
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Utee,
Slab BBQ??
Slow low and bangin sammiches
any good?
Urban gonna like it?
https://dopebbq.com/home (https://dopebbq.com/home)
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I noticed that in Colorado, gas is 85 and 87.5 octane. Is that due to altitude?
Altitude must have something to do with it.
When we drive from Tulsa, where regular/plus/premium is 87/89/91 octane, to Santa Fe, about the point where we hit Amarillo the gas goes 86/88/90 octane. It's no cheaper though.
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As you may know we've been excersizing our snoblowers recently and they said stay away from anything with ethanol as it is hard on gaskets/seasls/o-rings.Some one suggested 89 instead of 87 and my rebuilt 1980 TORO is running like a raped ape.I'll find some 87 over at Shell/Marathon and mix just to play it safe
Ethanol will ruin a lawnmower engine in no time flat.
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Utee,
Slab BBQ??
Slow low and bangin sammiches
any good?
Urban gonna like it?
https://dopebbq.com/home (https://dopebbq.com/home)
Slab is legit.
Started as a food truck and now has a brick and mortar. I don't love their marketing though.
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a bit too hip hop? or whateva they call it?
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Ethanol will ruin a lawnmower engine in no time flat.
unprade that 1979 mower
I've been running gasohol in everything since the 80's. No issues
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a bit too hip hop? or whateva they call it?
Yeah I guess I'm just not urban enough. But the Q is strong-to-quite strong. Their main deal is sandwiches but if you catch them on a good day they'll serve market-style, by weight.
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unprade that 1979 mower
I've been running gasohol in everything since the 80's. No issues
SnoBlower,the mower is a 2000 Ariens and runs great.The old blower has a much thicker guage steel and when the plowed piles freeze over nite in the middle of the driveway the thick steel can handle the weight/ice.I also picked up a nice ice pick at a gagrage sale rake and bust up the pile a few times and the old TORO(sounds like the name of a Tequila) takes care of the rest
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Yeah I guess I'm just not urban enough. But the Q is strong-to-quite strong. Their main deal is sandwiches but if you catch them on a good day they'll serve market-style, by weight.
I noticed they do serve ribs w/o a bun
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I noticed they do serve ribs w/o a bun
Yup, and they're tasty.
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I miss having BBQ in the rotation.
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https://twitter.com/ChipBrown247/status/1335757973554081792?s=20
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Water: wet.
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If Urban isn’t taking that job, he’s not coaching ever again imo.
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Maybe Notre Dame, but Kelly ain't exactly on the hot seat these days.
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Easy money in the booth,IMO there were a lot of strings attached in Austin.Evidently from the one article Texas admns were PO'd Herman didn't have the kids attention when "The Eyes of Texas" was played.How enthusiastic could URBZ be to adapting to other traditions and Admns/Boosters "Hey you're going to be at Juniors B-Day bash,right?"
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The booster with the money to get the big fish rarely is the same booster to let the big fish be itself.
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I'm not sure expectations for a head coach at Texas, are all that different than expectations for a head coach at Ohio State, with respect to glad-handing and all that. As speculated early-on, sounds like Meyer and his family really are concerned about the cyst on his brain. And that's probably a reasonable thing to be concerned about.
Anyway, the courtship has likely been too public for there to be any chance of recovery with Tom Herman at the helm, so it's likely Texas will target one of the PlanB/PlanC type guys we've already discussed on this thread. I'm not thrilled with any of them, but maybe they'll be successful. Nothing I can do about it of course.
In the meantime, Texas has paused all football operations due to COVID issues. No practices yesterday and today, and what's really odd, is no standard weekly press conference from the head coach, as he typically does on the Monday before a game (Texas is supposed to play Kansas this weekend).
Since the press conferences have all been ZOOM meetings this season, it doesn't make much sense to cancel it due to COVID, which has led to speculation that A) Tom Herman is the one that has it and he's highly symptomatic or B) the football program is using COVID as a cover to avoid having to deal with a coach they're about to fire, being in the public eye.
Situation A seems pretty improbable, since he was just fine on the sidelines 2 days ago, and the announcements of canceled practice and press conference were made yesterday...
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So, is he already fired?
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So, is he already fired?
Nothing official and I haven't even heard that from my "insider" sources (which aren't nearly as close to the program as they were a decade ago).
I'm just speculating based on how public this has all been, which would indicate the AD no longer has any confidence in Herman, as well as the odd circumstances of canceling a regular weekly presser under the cover of COVID issues, when COVID issues have been occurring all season long and no other pressers have been canceled because of them.
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I can't see Urban voluntarily jumping right into the middle of the "Eyes of Texas" turmoil. He's not really the crayons and coloring books type.
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Nothing official and I haven't even heard that from my "insider" sources (which aren't nearly as close to the program as they were a decade ago).
From what I've read TH has 3 yrs left on his contract.Some fans on Surley Horns seemed to like the coordinators.I'd roll the dice and give TH one more year chipping away at the buyout.Unless he's really burnt bridges they're in a tough spot recruiting wise with no slam dunk candidate on the horizon(IMO).Obviously the answer is out there it's finding the right fit
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Maybe Notre Dame, but Kelly ain't exactly on the hot seat these days.
Urban passed on ND for Florida when he was smack dab in his prime. I doubt he’s ever getting into coaching again if the reports of him turning Texas down are true.
Have to give Kelly a ton of credit. After that disastrous 4-8 season he really checked his ego, fired almost everybody on his staff and gave up some control of his offense and went out and got some great coaches. Since that 4-8 season in 2016, ND is 43-6 in the last 4 seasons. Dude has lost 2 less games over 4 years than he did in 1 year. Have to give him major props for that.
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Urban passed on ND for Florida when he was smack dab in his prime. I doubt he’s ever getting into coaching again if the reports of him turning Texas down are true.
Have to give Kelly a ton of credit. After that disastrous 4-8 season he really checked his ego, fired almost everybody on his staff and gave up some control of his offense and went out and got some great coaches. Since that 4-8 season in 2016, ND is 43-6 in the last 4 seasons. Dude has lost 2 less games over 4 years than he did in 1 year. Have to give him major props for that.
That was more to do with the timing. By the time ND approached him, he was already finalizing his deal with the Gators.
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he could have pulled out
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That was more to do with the timing. By the time ND approached him, he was already finalizing his deal with the Gators.
I think the whole Urban would walk to ND thing is overblown. He could’ve went to ND, he chose Florida. Wisely. Easier to recruit top players in your own backyard.
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he could have pulled out
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he could have pulled out
Why would he though?
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Unless somebody knows different I just dont think the Horns can Herman this year
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Why would he though?
no good reason, unless he was brought up Catholic and was enamored with the Golden Dome and Knute Rockne and the Gipper
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Unless somebody knows different I just dont think the Horns can Herman this year
Nothing official has been announced obviously. And Bellmont hasn't leaked anything either, which is unusual. So either Bellmont is sealed up way tighter than usual, or Tom Herman isn't going anywhere.
Probably.
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Unless somebody knows different I just dont think the Horns can Herman this year
One would think isn't there like 25 million owed to Texas Tom?Then have to pony up another 4-7 for the next guy.Seems like waste of financial resources.Again - I'd give him next year if I'm the AD/BoTs.Getting hamstrung by rumors plus covid see if he rebounds.The Horns seem to be getting it sorted between the lines
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One would think isn't there like 25 million owed to Texas Tom?Then have to pony up another 4-7 for the next guy.Seems like waste of financial resources.Again - I'd give him next year if I'm the AD/BoTs.Getting hamstrung by rumors plus covid see if he rebounds.The Horns seem to be getting it sorted between the lines
this is regarding the rich, arrogant, Texans
it's what they do
it's just mostly filthy oil money
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Or filthy Computer Geeks coin 😎
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One would think isn't there like 25 million owed to Texas Tom?Then have to pony up another 4-7 for the next guy.Seems like waste of financial resources.Again - I'd give him next year if I'm the AD/BoTs.Getting hamstrung by rumors plus covid see if he rebounds.The Horns seem to be getting it sorted between the lines
The buyout is estimated at around $15M after the expected negotiations took place. That's something you're willing to pay in order to secure Urban Meyer, but probably not for any of the other schlubs being mentioned as potential replacements.
this is regarding the rich, arrogant, Texans
it's what they do
it's just mostly filthy oil money
Oil's only something like $45/barrel don't ya know? Ain't no filthy oil money getting thrown around down here in Texico right now.
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I'd guess some of that $100+/barrel back in 2008 was invested wisely
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I'd guess some of that $100+/barrel back in 2008 was invested wisely
It was - The Longhorn Network,which sent the 'Skers skeedaddling
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It just seems a little unfair to fire a coach this year
especially since we will have a winning season and probably beat sec sec sec in another bowl game
one thing bout Herman is he gets his teams ready to play bowls
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It was - The Longhorn Network,which sent the 'Skers skeedaddling
You need some history lessons. LHN didn't exist when the Huskers bailed on their conference-mates in pursuit of the B1G money. In fact, Nebraska was further ahead than Texas in development of its own single-school network. Osborne readily admitted that in 2010.
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They heard about it,that was enough 😉.Of course Osborne could sell only 1.7 subscribers,the Horns had 20 million +
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You need some history lessons. LHN didn't exist when the Huskers bailed on their conference-mates in pursuit of the B1G money. In fact, Nebraska was further ahead than Texas in development of its own single-school network. Osborne readily admitted that in 2010.
UNL has always been further ahead than UT
always will be
heck, UNL jumped to the BIG years before the Horns will make the leap
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UNL has always been further ahead than UT
always will be
heck, UNL jumped to the BIG years before the Horns will make the leap
Make it so.
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You keep sassing him and he'll never move to Austin
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Make it so.
y'all just need to leave your Boy Toy Sooners behind
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I'd take Texas - if the conference 1st boots Rutgers/Maryland.Neither was a fit or had a history with the BIG except for The Scarlett Knights played in the 1st football game
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y'all just need to leave your Boy Toy Sooners behind
Nah they're coming with. Sooners and Huskers, reunited and it feels so good.
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Yeah, the Horns are the tag along in that scenario. Not the Sooners.
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Nah they're coming with. Sooners and Huskers, reunited and it feels so good.
I'm fine with that
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I was thinking about this the other day: isn't Oklahoma the program Texas should be?
It's not a burn. OU gets all of its talent from the state of Texas. They're both obviously great all-time programs and all that. But OU is better. Shouldn't the school in the state supplying both of these schools all of their talent be the one that's appreciably better?
What's been in Texas' way? Competing with up to 7 other in-state teams in-conference all those years? What about since then? What's been in Texas' way? I know in the late 70s/early 80s, they were always a game (or a point) away from undefeated, NC seasons.
But why isn't Texas what OU is?
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y'all just need to leave your Boy Toy Daddy Sooners behind
FIFY.
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Nah they're coming with. Sooners and Huskers, reunited and it feels so good.
It would feel good.
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I was thinking about this the other day: isn't Oklahoma the program Texas should be?
It's not a burn. OU gets all of its talent from the state of Texas. They're both obviously great all-time programs and all that. But OU is better. Shouldn't the school in the state supplying both of these schools all of their talent be the one that's appreciably better?
What's been in Texas' way? Competing with up to 7 other in-state teams in-conference all those years? What about since then? What's been in Texas' way? I know in the late 70s/early 80s, they were always a game (or a point) away from undefeated, NC seasons.
But why isn't Texas what OU is?
From a distance, it seems like things must be more complicated at Texas than outsiders know or understand.
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Our rivalry ebbs and flows
since 1990 we have close to 50/50 win lose record
theres been many years the same question could have been asked of the sooners concerning UT
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Yeah, the Horns are the tag along in that scenario. Not the Sooners.
Um, no. Look at the demographics. Look at the populations. Texas is nearly 30M in population and Oklahoma only 4M. How many cable-subscribing households are in each state?
In no way are the Longhorns the tag-along.
Unless you're counting something silly like "football success" on the field. But as we saw from Maryland and Rutgers, clearly that's not driving the decisions.
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Football success, geography, built in rivalry with the Huskers, and pretty much everything else except for those pesky cable subscribers and recruits.
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I was thinking about this the other day: isn't Oklahoma the program Texas should be?
It's not a burn. OU gets all of its talent from the state of Texas. They're both obviously great all-time programs and all that. But OU is better. Shouldn't the school in the state supplying both of these schools all of their talent be the one that's appreciably better?
What's been in Texas' way? Competing with up to 7 other in-state teams in-conference all those years? What about since then? What's been in Texas' way? I know in the late 70s/early 80s, they were always a game (or a point) away from undefeated, NC seasons.
But why isn't Texas what OU is?
It's a legitimate question that Texas fans ask of ourselves-- and more specifically our program-- all the time.
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I don't think the B1G will take another non-AAU school. Taking UNL cost the conference its ties with U-Chicago and the original CIC.
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I don't think the B1G will take another non-AAU school. Taking UNL cost the conference its ties with U-Chicago and the original CIC.
Do you really think that, if Texas said "Yeah we're coming to the B1G, but only if OU comes along with" that the B1G would say no?
I'm not asking as an arrogant Texican, I'm asking this as a sincere academic question.
I'm also not saying it's a likely scenario, just a thought exercise.
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They already chose Nebraska over Chicago, so why not.
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At the time of admission, UNL was an AAU school.
Chicago was one of the schools, along with UW, NU and UM, to vote them out.
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But why isn't Texas what OU is?
Coaching. CFB is always all about the coach, and the culture he can develop and the recruits he can land and the systems/schemes he can successfully implement on offense and defense.
Since 1999, Oklahoma has had two coaches- Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley. And both are really damn good coaches. Take a look at Oklahoma’s record after Switzer- an all-time great coach left- they were pretty mediocre for 10 years, until they landed...Bob Stoops.
Texas just hasn’t had the level of coaches that Oklahoma has had. Flat out. Mack Brown was very good, but can you honestly say he was better than Stoops, Riley, or Switzer as a football coach? I honestly don’t think so.
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Our rivalry ebbs and flows
since 1990 we have close to 50/50 win lose record
theres been many years the same question could have been asked of the sooners concerning UT
Most notably, 1958-1970, where the Horns went 12-1.
But, since then, the only decade that Texas has won was the '90s.
You can make different points depending on how far back from now you want to take it.
Count the last 20 years, 2001-2020, and OU leads 14-7 (that includes the 2018 CCG).
Go back to the start of the Stoops/Riley era, 1999-2020, and it's 15-8.
Back 25 years, 1996-2020, it's 16-10.
Back 30 years, 1991-2020, it's 17-13-1.
Back 35 years, 1986-2020, it's 20-15-1.
Back 40 years, 1981-2020, it's 22-17-2.
Back 45 years, 1976-2020, it's 23-20-3.
Back 50 years, 1971-2020, it's 28-20-3.
It's been a rather streaky series, and Texas owns the 2 longest streaks, at 8 wins each: 1940-47 and 1958-65. OU's longest is 6 wins: 1952-1957. I don't think either side will run off an 8-win streak anytime soon.
OU is currently on a 5-1 run and has, I believe, the best winning percentage in the series that it has ever had: 0.444.
The all-time record is Texas up 62-49-5.
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Coaching? Everyone knows that the powerhouse programs just run themselves, so long as you have a somewhat competent coach. Just look at Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan, Florida State, Miami, pre-Saban Bama, Texas, USCw, etc.
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Coaching. CFB is always all about the coach, and the culture he can develop and the recruits he can land and the systems/schemes he can successfully implement on offense and defense.
Since 1999, Oklahoma has had two coaches- Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley. And both are really damn good coaches. Take a look at Oklahoma’s record after Switzer- an all-time great coach left- they were pretty mediocre for 10 years, until they landed...Bob Stoops.
Texas just hasn’t had the level of coaches that Oklahoma has had. Flat out. Mack Brown was very good, but can you honestly say he was better than Stoops, Riley, or Switzer as a football coach? I honestly don’t think so.
the truth
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Coaching? Everyone knows that the powerhouse programs just run themselves, so long as you have a somewhat competent coach. Just look at Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan, Florida State, Miami, pre-Saban Bama, Texas, USCw, etc.
The programs don't run themselves. You still need a great coach to have a dominant program.
The powerhouse/helmet teams just have a much easier time recruiting and so many built in advantages- that a really great coach can turn one of those programs into a powerhouse.
Being at a Michigan or OSU or ND or Bama or USC or Texas gets you in the living room of any recruit in the country.
Shit, Michigan sucks asssss right now and they are believed to be the leader in the fight to land 2022 5*, #2 player overall in the nation and #1 CB in the nation in Domani Jackson out of California. He's from California but he grew up loving Michigan and the helmets and the fight song.
Helmet programs like that just have so many advantages- that when the right coach is in place- they thrive.
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The programs don't run themselves. You still need a great coach to have a dominant program.
Mdot, take a breath... That was sarcasm.
Every example of programs "that run themselves" was of programs that are/were on very hard times due to lack of great coaching.
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Mdot, take a breath... That was sarcasm.
Every example of programs "that run themselves" was of programs that are/were on very hard times due to lack of great coaching.
This guy gets it
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I think a program like UGA can win 10+ games a year with an average coach. And frankly, there aren't many well above average coaches in CFB, ever, just as there are not many really awful coaches (for obvious reasons).
Which current coaches do you think are clearly "above average" extant in P5 today? Some of them are maybe, like say Mullen (who might well be above average).
Is Day a well above average coach? How can we know for sure at this point? What about Orgeron?
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I think a program like UGA can win 10+ games a year with an average coach. And Richt was certainly that,had someone like Smart been there before maybe Clemson doesn't get so much traction
Which current coaches do you think are clearly "above average" extant in P5 today? Some of them are maybe, like say Mullen (who might well be above average). Off the top on my head,Mullen and maybe Patterson,Cutcliffe use to be bantered about,I don't follow Duke so........The Univerties in Indiana are certainly stoked well Kelly,Brohm and Allen wouldn't have a problem with any of these.Many like Clawson at Wake has taken them to 4 bowl games in which they won 3.Fuentes was a hot commodity when VTech scooped him up a few yrs back.As afore mentioned Fickell/Campbell and I'd end with the Pirate and Pat Fitz at NU.Oh and I still like Frost if he can get the roster filled out.I might mention Chryst but he's not going anywhere - Packers perhaps
Is Day a well above average coach? How can we know for sure at this point? Offensively he certainly is and has gotten the attention of highly sought after QBs - so far