who suggested such a thing?Dust storm aliens ... DSAs.
who suggested such a thing?The three people who voted for #5.
Anyone suggesting/voting fans will be involved is in a special kind of fantasyland.Will play without many fans present and some teams will have an epidemic and forfeit games.
Clearly we will have a football season poll. You just did one.Heh, yes I did, 100% chance.
Heh, yes I did, 100% chance.It's impossible to play baseball without spitting. It can't be done.
Between the protests over racial stuff and the virus ....
I am preparing myself for disappointment. My guess is baseball will start up and then have to be ended after 2-3 weeks even with no crowds, and no spitting. How can they play without spitting?
I voted for a season but my hopes are rapidly dwindlingMe too.
It's impossible to play baseball without spitting. It can't be done.Might as well ban crotch adjustments....
Grinnell College just canceled their D-III football season. I am not sure that what Grinnell College plays can be characterized as college football. You can look them up and see what I mean.Sounds like some of us could walk on and get some playing time there.
They didn't play the final seven-games last season.
https://twitter.com/BarstoolBadgers/status/1277705830536753154 (https://twitter.com/BarstoolBadgers/status/1277705830536753154)it might be too late.... at least start the season on time.
Baseball MIGHT work out "OK" because they are pros and can be isolated from other people. Students, not so much.We have the summer sports of HS baseball and softball, in Iowa. It looks okay to play, but they gather together in the dugout. The visiting team travels by school bus. These last two things do not look good. I am old, but if I had a child I would insist on arranging my own transportation and socially distancing him or her from the group in the dug out.
IF FACTS OVERRIDE FEAR, COLLEGE STADIUMS SHOULD FILLThere are no words.
Here’s some more good news about college football. We know that airborne transmission is much more likely than is surface contamination to spread the virus from one person to another. The games are played outdoors, and Nebraska has some of the nation’s most reliable windy conditions. Look for Power 5 schools to establish massive ventilation systems in their stadium concourses and restrooms. Also look for Power 5 schools to mandate that anyone entering the stadium must wear a mask.
There’s really no good reason to limit attendance at football games, that is, if you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations — many of whose shoulder-to-shoulder participants were breathing deeply and shouting loudly.
IF FACTS OVERRIDE FEAR, COLLEGE STADIUMS SHOULD FILLActually, GREAT Post. The key line of course being “If you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations”.
Here’s some more good news about college football. We know that airborne transmission is much more likely than is surface contamination to spread the virus from one person to another. The games are played outdoors, and Nebraska has some of the nation’s most reliable windy conditions. Look for Power 5 schools to establish massive ventilation systems in their stadium concourses and restrooms. Also look for Power 5 schools to mandate that anyone entering the stadium must wear a mask.
There’s really no good reason to limit attendance at football games, that is, if you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations — many of whose shoulder-to-shoulder participants were breathing deeply and shouting loudly.
I have noticed only three types of reactions from media or scientists:
• Indifference/silence
• “It was OK because a lot of them were wearing masks”
• “The protests were justified and racism is a cause for coronavirus, so this is a good long-term health move”
Well, I don’t trust many national journalists these days, but since I have no compelling reason to doubt the opinions of epidemiologists, I’ll go along with them.
https://www.huskermatwitter.com/stryker-if-facts-override-fear-college-stadiums-should-fill/ (https://www.huskermatwitter.com/stryker-if-facts-override-fear-college-stadiums-should-fill/)
I have noticed only three types of reactions from media or scientists:Wait till they get a load of the Guy with the Runza Cart
I do not view this as a "media issue." Coronavirus is a health sciences problem, a medical issue, and an epidemiology issue.I don't think coaches will push for it.. they get paid regardless. In fact, I don’t think they will have any say in it. So, we need to find another bad guy. Your post indicates doom and gloom and looks for blame. But yes, it’s about science.
That said, and back on topic: I suspect the coaching staffs and athletic directors making hundreds of thousands of dollars or more, and who have big mortgages they are paying, will push forward until the point of resistance results in death(s).
I suspect that about half of the weeks during the season D-1 teams will have 5 or more COVID-infected players. A lot of games will not be played. When an O-Lineman or diabetic player, or maybe two, dies, the season will end. It may also end if two or more coaches die from it.
Actually, GREAT Post. The key line of course being “If you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations”.the media sucks
Clearly, many young people did. The media had been telling them, wear a mask, social distance! But when the protests started, that same media not only went silent on the Covid aspect of it, they glorified the protesting.
here is the problem....I don’t think those same media voices even believed what they were selling by staying silent. Selective memory I guess. So not only will the media erupt if there are fans in the stands, they will actually be right this time, and we won’t see it. It’s too dangerous, just like the protesting was in most cases, and will lead to rapid, unnecessary spread, just like the protests did.
Actually, GREAT Post. The key line of course being “If you accept the logic regarding the recent demonstrations”.The quoted post of from a media member.
Clearly, many young people did. The media had been telling them, wear a mask, social distance! But when the protests started, that same media not only went silent on the Covid aspect of it, they glorified the protesting.
here is the problem....I don’t think those same media voices even believed what they were selling by staying silent. Selective memory I guess. So not only will the media erupt if there are fans in the stands, they will actually be right this time, and we won’t see it. It’s too dangerous, just like the protesting was in most cases, and will lead to rapid, unnecessary spread, just like the protests did.
Anyone suggesting/voting fans will be involved is in a special kind of fantasyland.IMO, if fans are not involved there will be no CFB. They would never hear the end of, "why are you making student athletes participate in an environment where fans are not allowed?"
Grinnell College just canceled their D-III football season. I am not sure that what Grinnell College plays can be characterized as college football. You can look them up and see what I mean.I did look them up because my Grandson's last collegiate game at Beloit in 2017 was against Grinnell. He had 55 yards on 5 carries.
They didn't play the final seven-games last season.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/freddie-freeman-among-four-braves-test-positive-for-covid/oIeYtKsUjXzTUYaEvxaZmK/ (https://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/freddie-freeman-among-four-braves-test-positive-for-covid/oIeYtKsUjXzTUYaEvxaZmK/)The Twins had two positive tests on the roster, and it doesn't appear to be slowing them down any.
So, does this shut down the baseball experiment before it starts? I presume this won't be an isolated event.
It's a cluster fuq and no sports season will be completed.Iowa started its HS baseball and softball season. Multiple area schools "suspended" their season after players tested positive. Some are now restarting their seasons after 14-days.
In baseball and softball, players are mostly socially distanced. This is in contrast with football, and wrestling.Can't social distance on a crash play at the plate.
A lot of online learning, but for in-person learning, they'll have nightly disinfecting of high-touch surfaces, with masks on at all times. Good luck with that with K-2 students.
I am concerned how this will spread when the kids return to school. I am not seeing much on efforts to contain the spread at school.
My kids need to go back the fvck to school.
2 - kids being home all-day, every-day is driving people nuts
Doubtful. There are rumblings that NU and Illinois will not play either. The Michigan schools are very questionable right now.You are not being creative. 'Given the renegade actions undertaken by Rutger, without the appropriate collaboration with our member institutions the BIG cannot tolerate its members to go it alone. This is a unified body and we will continue to make these kinds of decisions as a Conference. On behalf of the BIG we are removing Rutger as a member of the BIG effective immediately, pursuant to Section 83(c)(4) of our Agreement with Rutger.'
If it were up to Chik-fil-A, they'd be played in full stadiums without masks.But not on Sunday
Chik-Fil-A here has one of the best COVID mitigations strategies I've seen. I don't know why they'd want full stadia, they would be more interested in eyeballs on TV sets.Off-Topic, but thought you might enjoy this:
I think we need to be thinking longer term.I think that by fall 2021, if we don't have a vaccine we'll have so much COVID fatigue--and be close enough to herd immunity, especially amongst the young--that there's no way a few positive tests become the standard.
Don’t shoot the messenger- but as long as the standard is athletes/ students testing positive- I can see a scenario where both this season and next are wiped out.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1281226062542798848?s=20
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1281226062542798848?s=20In April it appeared the country was prepared to take extraordinary efforts to slow and stop the spread. But it turns out the country did not carry through. In March and April we thought warm weather would slow the spread, as well.
I think it's time to face reality. There won't be football this year. There, I said it. The offseason stream thread will live until August, 2021.well... UNL wouldn't have a losing season
Big Ten announces conference only gamesUW finally gets the chance to kick Notre Dame's ass, but no.
the Huskers will try to play football unless they are completely shutdown by the Big 10 or the NCAA
it might look like the 1918 schedule, but they will play exhibition games
1918
Iowa
Omaha Balloon
Kansas
Camp Dodge
Notre Dame
Washington (MO) in St. Louis
1918-Iowa (Western) | |||||
| 9/28 | vs. | Great Lakes Navy (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/GreatLakesNavy.htm#1918) (6-0-2) | L | 0 | 10 |
| 10/5 | @ | Nebraska (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Nebraska.htm#1918) (2-3-1) | W | 12 | 0 |
| 10/12 | vs. | Coe (non-IA) | W | 27 | 0 |
| 10/19 | vs. | Cornell (Iowa) (non-IA) | W | 34 | 0 |
| 11/2 | vs. | *Illinois (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Illinois.htm#1918) (5-2) | L | 0 | 19 |
| 11/9 | vs. | *Minnesota (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Minnesota.htm#1918) (5-2-1) | W | 6 | 0 |
| 11/16 | vs. | Iowa State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/IowaState.htm#1918) (0-3) | W | 21 | 0 |
| 11/23 | vs. | *Northwestern (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Northwestern.htm#1918) (2-2-1) | W | 23 | 7 |
| 11/30 | @ | Camp Dodge (non-IA) | T | 0 | 0 |
6-2-1 | 123 | 36 |
Other was my answer.Same here.
If Miami Marlins are sidelined after two games, 15 players and two staff testing positive, the odds of a college football season which involves more players in closer contact, are very low.The differences in sport aside, these were professional players, well paid, going home, in a relatively controlled environment. You can't have a bunch of kids, in dorms, unpaid. It simply ain't happening.
Iowa had high school baseball this summer. Several teams suspended their season for two weeks after experiencing positive tests. I do not see a football season happening this fall, and if it does start, it will be over in two weeks.
I suspect many parents will tell their college, and high school athletes, it is not worth chancing your health to play a sport that requires close contact with others.
We will be watching the Golf Channel, gymnastics, and figure skating.
Will you be able to keep guys from the strip clubs in this schedule?You could.
Mlb tests tier 1 players every other day and others twice a week.Wonder if they get the results back, same day? The contagiousness of this virus is quite something that 17 people would catch it before the team knows they are infected.
It's a cute plan that won't happen.Our freedoms make us pussies.
I've seen footage from interviews in MLB clubhouses and it looks like they have every other locker taped off.
The argument these are millionaires who get to go home and aren't being controlled can be countered with these are millionaires who need to play in order to make more millions going forward and have every available support to avoid contracting the virus.
VT has a player who's opted out, supposed to be a high draft pick. We all want football and baseball and schooling, etc.....but it's just not feasible right now. Our freedoms make us stubborn.
Our freedoms make us pussies.Do you think offensive linemen may be at somewhat elevated risk? What about the staff?
I'd bet my left nut vast majority of these super freak athletes "catching" coronavirus probably have zero to no symptoms and it's not a major problem for them or their wives/children at all either.
Do you think offensive linemen may be at somewhat elevated risk? What about the staff?Oline with other heath issues and staff members of this age should opt out
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Oline with other heath issues and staff members of this age should opt outThis
the young and healthy should be allowed to play
Do you think offensive linemen may be at somewhat elevated risk? What about the staff?Depends on the conditioning the linemen have. Most of the big fat guys are still in better condition and more athletic than 99% of the average skinny guys in the normal population. They might have a gut- but they are still super freak athletes.
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Our freedoms make us stubborn.
SEC announces 10 game, conference only slate.Well it took a pandemic, but you guys got what you wanted: the SEC to play more than 8 conference games.
there is a concept or idea that conference rules will make the exposure risk similar across teams.... not sure how valid that will be in practice.The NFL unveiled one.
I do wonder why we are not seeing more discussion around plastic face guards/shields... like some of the players used to wear but in clear form... to protect players from spreading particles directly at one another.
How is playing only in conference safer than playing OOC games with near neighbors?I think it's easier to move in lockstep. Rather than say MSU deciding they don't want a team from Florida to come up, but Miami saying they want to play, and if MSU wants out, they have to pay them the buyout, etc.
This virus can't jump between teams in the same conference?
I guess it's easier to schedule, I see that, but in terms of controlling the pandemic ....No, it does nothing for that.
I guess it's easier to schedule, I see that, but in terms of controlling the pandemic ....it's bull, no reason Iowa can't play Iowa State
Oline with other heath issues and staff members of this age should opt outCool. When I was a kid, I liked to block, and I played O-Line as a guard when I was a freshman in HS. I had good blocking technique. I was tiny. Back then fullbacks were running backs. I started as a RB. The coach must have seen me throw some blocks on the corners for our fullback who was our feature back and later 1st team all conference Big Ten linebacker at Iowa. Mid-Season I was switched to guard, and I didn't know why. I didn't ask questions. I did a lot of pulling and just loved to take out someone on the outside corner. Our fullback, who was 1st team all-state, already knew how to set up blocks, and made me look good to just about no one who saw us play as freshmen.
the young and healthy should be allowed to play
Well it took a pandemic, but you guys got what you wanted: the SEC to play more than 8 conference games.Very funny!
Cool. When I was a kid, I liked to block, and I played O-Line as a guard when I was a freshman in HS. I had good blocking technique. I was tiny. Back then fullbacks were running backs. I started as a RB. The coach must have seen me throw some blocks on the corners for our fullback who was our feature back and later 1st team all conference Big Ten linebacker at Iowa. Mid-Season I was switched to guard, and I didn't know why. I didn't ask questions. I did a lot of pulling and just loved to take out someone on the outside corner. Our fullback, who was 1st team all-state, already knew how to set up blocks, and made me look good to just about no one who saw us play as freshmen.I played guard in high school back in the late 70s. I was tiny, but had no wheels so they put me at guard. Didn't need much speed. Just pull, get to the corner and get in the way of a LB or safety.
O-Linemen started getting big in the 1970s, but they were not always 300 lbs.
Bob Commings played guard at Iowa in the 1950s for one of the Rose Bowl teams, was 165 lbs., and was voted team MVP.
Seems like the schools are reacting well to the players voicing their concernsRemember they are amateur college students and thus should never be able to do things like "speak"
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_SR/status/1290038799569838082?s=20
Seems like the schools are reacting well to the players voicing their concernsGood. Playing football and getting a free education is not a right, and nobody forces players to play.
https://twitter.com/TheoLawson_SR/status/1290038799569838082?s=20
I don't think we will, unless there is some validity to some recent articles suggesting immunity for many of us. Still have a month or so to make a final decision.Not much suggesting that MLB players have immunity.
Not much suggesting that MLB players have immunity.MLB is dominated by people who have little regard for social distancing, etc. MLB players are not the sharpest knives in the drawer either. They like to spit. It's gross, but I digress.
The Players of the Pac-12 will opt-out of fall camp and game participation due to COVID-19 and other serious concerns unless the conference guarantees in writing to protect and benefit both scholarship athletes and walk-ons. #WeAreUnitedWSU has already dismissed players who came on to this movement. Playing football is not a right.
so what are they really asking for?
and what are their other serious concerns?
The NFL unveiled one.I believe hockey players in college use them... I realize they don't cover mouths, but at least spit/fluids would not be shared directly.
JJ Watt said he'd sit out the season rather than play in one. Hard to breath, getting fogged up, etc... The old visors never used to cover the mouths. But don't college hockey players wear full clear face shields?
One of the other demands is that 50% of the revenue go to the players. NFL...well, they may as well have asked for the moon
One of the other demands is that 50% of the revenue go to the players. NFL...
Minnesota HS football and volleyball shortened and moved to a spring season. Postseason details TBD.The IHSAA (Indiana) has stated they won't move football to the spring because that could mean that kids could possibly be playing two full seasons in the space of about 6 months assuming the 2021 season would be back to its usual fall placement. The physical toll that could take is the primary argument against the move.
B1G schedule officially out. OSU at Illinois on Sept. 5th. So, a month away?OSU-UM in mid-October?
Yup, just saw that. Big loss for Gopher FB, if it gets played at all this school year.And PJ Barnum just had to make it all about him. Shocking (not).
OSU-UM in mid-October?
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Guys, it's not happening, doesn't matter
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/big-ten-covid-19-football-season (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/big-ten-covid-19-football-season)
I guess that's that.
Some of those asks would be thorny to put into practice, but that's not a crazy sounding listAgreed. Most of that is quite frankly common sense, and should have ALREADY have been put in place by either the NCAA or the conference.
OSU-UM in mid-October?Only took a pandemic to move The Game from the end of the season.
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Sounds like UConn is canceling their season
In fairness, that may all be true, but with all of the conferences going to conference play only, what's left for UConn to do?
What a glut of crybabies. Anyone else suspect UConn's coaching staff gladly caved in? Or even lobbied behind the scenes to dip out? The pandemic excuse allows Edsall & Co to extend their flailing employment into another season while getting paid for doing nothing this season. We'll see how a roster handles missing a whole season, but this might implode a shallow UConn program that's already at risk thanks to under-attended games, bad season after bad season, and CTE keeping worried athletic departments up at night. Edsall built UConn football and now he's burning it down.
I mean, they were already going to lose money. And that was before they had to rebuild a schedule on the fly.
What a glut of crybabies. Anyone else suspect UConn's coaching staff gladly caved in? Or even lobbied behind the scenes to dip out? The pandemic excuse allows Edsall & Co to extend their flailing employment into another season while getting paid for doing nothing this season. We'll see how a roster handles missing a whole season, but this might implode a shallow UConn program that's already at risk thanks to under-attended games, bad season after bad season, and CTE keeping worried athletic departments up at night. Edsall built UConn football and now he's burning it down.
Screw it. We don't need a season.I agree. OSU would avoid Michigan in rivalry week in 2020, and without a season don't have to face Iowa in rivalry week. What a relief for OSU . ;)
OSU fans must be breathing a sigh of relief.
That's actually very good news.Not on the liberal...... I mean UofM board. Lol
According to Dave Biddle of Bucknuts.com (https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Board/120/Contents/VIP-Intel-What-really-happened-on-the-B1G-call-w-DayHarbaugh-149878118/), Day and Harbaugh got into it on a recent Big Ten coaches phone call. In that call, Harbaugh interrupted Day while he was speaking to allege that Al Washington was working with the Ohio State linebackers earlier than they were allowed by the NCAA.Jim has a mix of aspergers and CTE, plus I'm pretty sure he's on meds. Just a weird f'ing dude.
Day then fired back at him “How about I worry about my team and you worry about yours?” Apparently, Harbaugh was complaining after Washington was supposedly in a picture that showed him working with the linebackers. It’s unclear if that is true or not.
Afterwards in a meeting with his team, Day said “The Big Ten better have a mercy rule because we’re going to hang 100 on them”
https://scarletandgame.com/2020/06/24/get-new-ohio-state-buckeyes-face-coverings-now/ (https://scarletandgame.com/2020/06/24/get-new-ohio-state-buckeyes-face-coverings-now/)
Sounds like the MAC has cancelled fall football, may try for springapparently NIU’s pres is an infectious disease specialist. Said they were out, and the league didn’t like the look of playing down a man.
I don't get why everyone doesn't do this. You are gambling on getting through a shortened season, with no fans, in the fall, where if it fails, you are probably done. Why not shoot for a shortened season, with fans, in the spring.I think they're betting the bold isn't true.
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Prominent industry source: "I think by the end of the week the fall sports will be postponed in all conferences."
Big Ten just halted any practice with pads in the presidents are meeting. Here it comes ......Honestly would be hard to justify forcing college kids to play through this pandemic. NFL players, I get it. They are professionals that are paid millions and millions of dollars.
Honestly would be hard to justify forcing college kids to play through this pandemic. NFL players, I get it. They are professionals that are paid millions and millions of dollars.I don't know that it's forcing them to play. I think they want to play.
I don't know that it's forcing them to play. I think they want to play.Most do, I think. And while it’s a factor, it won’t be an overriding one.
Honestly would be hard to justify forcing college kids to play through this pandemic. NFL players, I get it. They are professionals that are paid millions and millions of dollars.
Sad. Very sad. There will be no CFB this fall.I mean, if there's money to be made, they will try.
As for spring/ that is just a pathetic joke. It won’t happen, nor should it
At this juncture we need to pray for a 2021 season since it is clear they won’t have one without a vaccine.
I was really looking forward to seeing the buckeyes play with Justin fields Wyatt Davis and Sean Wade, I think they were gonna be pretty damn good this year.
https://twitter.com/Trevorlawrencee/status/1292599402784325632?s=20I'm very confused by the idea that if there's no CFB, they simply send everyone home.
https://twitter.com/Trevorlawrencee/status/1292600603395461125?s=20
https://twitter.com/Trevorlawrencee/status/1292600604305612800?s=20
I'm very confused by the idea that if there's no CFB, they simply send everyone home.It makes sense if you're majoring in football.
There will be no CFB this fall. Agreed.
As for spring/ that is just a pathetic joke. It won’t happen, nor should it
I surmise spring football is not likely, too. That said, if a vaccine were to come out in January, even if it is only 60% protective, if there are sufficient doses available to college football players and staff, and they all take it as a condition of playing, and coaching, and if masks are worn indoors by players and staff at all times indoors , that could make it possible to start a football season that is truncated.
I am guessing a vaccine will be introduced in mid-2021. We will not be back to normal with a vaccine unless all of us wear masks indoors. Some folks will think the previous sentence is a contradiction in terms.
I actually think you could have a CFB season this year but the things they normally play for would have to be thrown out the window. Conference titles, national titles, bowl games. All that would have to go.Excellent post.
I think that because, inevitably, you are going to have some teams have to cancel games because there is an outbreak on the team. So you are going to have some schools playing 7 games, some playing 8, some might get in 10, but it will be different for every school.
Also, the reason a season probably won’t happen has nothing to do with player safety. It has everything to do with avoiding liability. College students aren’t going to social distance. They are just as likely to get it at a party as they are at practice. But if they get it at a party you won’t have bleeding hearts screaming at school presidents and AD’s about putting profits over people .
There are people out there just looking for someone to blame for something. That is why there won’t be college football this season.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/08/115630/justin-fields-trevor-lawrence-lead-group-of-power-5-players-calling-for-college-football-players-association
Meanwhile little league baseball has been going on for at least a month, out here. They and theirs must be made of sterner stuff than these big bad college athletes.My son and daughter have been playing AAU basketball for the last month. Other than a couple teams dropping out of one tournament due to being quarantined there have been no issues.
This is getting ridiculous.
This all feels so backwards.Well if the players unanimously want to play like for example at Ohio State, and can opt out at any time but don’t, and the parents of the players have put in writing that they support playing, and the coaches and assistant coaches all agree then why does the Big Ten have the right to tell them they can’t? They say they feel less likely to spread it in this environment. They are doing everything possible with masks and distancing, housing arrangements and everything else.
The academically distinguished Big Ten cancels their season, and all the fans of B10 teams bitch and moan.
The academically limited SEC plans on playing and recruiting teams from other conferences, dragging its feet on prudence, and is lauded.
This is bizzaro-world.
The B10 is being proactive and prudent. These are kids - kids that can spread the virus as much as anyone. A low % of them will be hospitalized and a still lower % will die.....but those numbers are >0%.
Some of you are in rare form today.
So what was the point of releasing that brand new schedule last week, with tons of bye weeks built in just in case there was an outbreak? Was it all just optics?Exactly. What changed in a week?
https://twitter.com/Graham_Couch/status/1292875032658665474 (https://twitter.com/Graham_Couch/status/1292875032658665474)
This all feels so backwards.
The academically distinguished Big Ten cancels their season, and all the fans of B10 teams bitch and moan.
The academically limited SEC plans on playing and recruiting teams from other conferences, dragging its feet on prudence, and is lauded.
This is bizzaro-world.
The B10 is being proactive and prudent. These are kids - kids that can spread the virus as much as anyone. A low % of them will be hospitalized and a still lower % will die.....but those numbers are >0%.
Some of you are in rare form today.
Meanwhile little league baseball has been going on for at least a month, out here. They and theirs must be made of sterner stuff than these big bad college athletes.The bolded part interests me because it implies, as I read it, that we're sort of reducing it to taking risks is an act of being brave (or something akin to that).
This is getting ridiculous.
Trevor Lawrence, spokesman for the rural southerner.I should've said this earlier, but this was a deeply dumb generalization. There are lots of folks who want to watch CFB. There are lots of players who want to play and coaches who want to coach.
The bolded part interests me because it implies, as I read it, that we're sort of reducing it to taking risks is an act of being brave (or something akin to that).The player are definitely not to blame. They want to play. It is the pencil necked geeks that run these institutions that are making this call.
But in reality, compartmentalizing risk isn't really an act of bravery. I went to a gathering 7 hours away with people from 3-4 different regions. It was in many ways risky on this front. But that doesn't make me brave. It makes me a person who pretends a risk isn't there. There are all sorts of moments like this, many that could be categorized as being irresponsible or reckless.
Now I'm not strongly saying little league is either of those last two things. But we often cast it as a case of doing a risky thing is a act with some nobility, and in a lot of cases, it really isn't.
The optics are 100% why this season is almost assuredly cancelled.I don't. He talks about them going home and there won't be social distancing or masks, but whose damn fault is that?
Does it look bad for your school if their left tackle, cornerback, middle linebacker, and 2 wide receivers catch the virus at home or at school during a cancelled season? Not particularly, or very minimally at worst. But does it look back when their left tackle, cornerback, middle linebacker, and 2 wide receivers catch the virus immediately after a game when they possibly could have spread it to several more teammates and opposing players they just faced? Undeniably yes. I get Trevor Lawrence's POV that players are just as likely to catch it outside of CFB but when they're catching it in the middle of season suddenly these schools look like ghouls pushing these poor kids to play football just so make a few bucks. It's 100% optics.
I should've said this earlier, but this was a deeply dumb generalization. There are lots of folks who want to watch CFB. There are lots of players who want to play and coaches who want to coach.That's probably what made it a joke.
We can argue is someone should be a more responsible party (and we will), but to imagine a football player wanting to play football makes him the spokesman of some smaller group is just ridiculous.
The player are definitely not to blame. They want to play. It is the pencil necked geeks that run these institutions that are making this call.Yes, the adults are stepping in. Thankfully.
I don't. He talks about them going home and there won't be social distancing or masks, but whose damn fault is that?I think he meant on campus and in a structures fire. And chances are, that part is accurate. If you have a highly paid, professional staff building on you, your outcomes are most likely going to be better then a lot of the home situations here.
The truth is that within the game of football, you CANNOT protect against spread. You can't be 6 feet apart. You can't wear a mask and effectively play. So any positive case (even if missed by a test) is a significant risk to EVERY player on that field.
At home, you control your risk. I've pointed out that a few times I've chosen to engage in behaviors with moderately more risk than staying home and only going out into society for absolute essentials. But I controlled those situations and whether I chose to engage in them or not.
If he's arguing that players WON'T take precautions, that's not the fault of those who cancel football; it's the fault of those players not taking precautions. But the risk of being on a football field with an asymptomatic player is a LOT higher than the risk of encountering an asymptomatic grocery store employee stocking shelves who you stay several feet away from while you're wearing your mask.
You simply don't have as much risk off the field as you do on it.
(His other point about if you catch COVID as a player on campus that you'll have access to world-class medical care, which you may not have off campus, is valid and true though.)
The optics are 100% why this season is almost assuredly cancelled.I think that percentage is a bit high. Optics are a lot of it, but not 100%. There’s going to be some measure of liability. Perhaps you are accounting for them potentially insulating themselves from that, which I suppose just ramps up the liability front because you’re having people do you do not allow to have legal representation sign rather complicated documents. I guess that would make it optics, but a particularly bad sort of optics.
Does it look bad for your school if their left tackle, cornerback, middle linebacker, and 2 wide receivers catch the virus at home or at school during a cancelled season? Not particularly, or very minimally at worst. But does it look back when their left tackle, cornerback, middle linebacker, and 2 wide receivers catch the virus immediately after a game when they possibly could have spread it to several more teammates and opposing players they just faced? Undeniably yes. I get Trevor Lawrence's POV that players are just as likely to catch it outside of CFB but when they're catching it in the middle of season suddenly these schools look like ghouls pushing these poor kids to play football just so make a few bucks. It's 100% optics.
The bolded part interests me because it implies, as I read it, that we're sort of reducing it to taking risks is an act of being brave (or something akin to that).
But in reality, compartmentalizing risk isn't really an act of bravery. I went to a gathering 7 hours away with people from 3-4 different regions. It was in many ways risky on this front. But that doesn't make me brave. It makes me a person who pretends a risk isn't there. There are all sorts of moments like this, many that could be categorized as being irresponsible or reckless.
Now I'm not strongly saying little league is either of those last two things. But we often cast it as a case of doing a risky thing is a act with some nobility, and in a lot of cases, it really isn't.
How many other activities do you participate in where routine risk is treated as afterthought? Food poisoning from a restaurant? Rush hour driving? Receiving anesthetics for surgery? Leaving the Christmas lights on overnight? Drinking year after year? Going into the office during a flu season.
College football aside, too many of us are allowing COVID, and only COVID, to exploit our fear of death at the risk of putting our economic futures in severe jeopardy.
Yes, the adults are stepping in. Thankfully.Technically I suppose they are adults in the sense that they are human beings who are more than 18 years removed from the birth canal. But their mentality, like yours, is rather childish; clinging the lofty ideologies of a college freshman, well into "adulthood."
Technically I suppose they are adults in the sense that they are human beings who are more than 18 years removed from the birth canal. But their mentality, like yours, is rather childish; clinging the lofty ideologies of a college freshman, well into "adulthood."Yeah, backwards. Again.
I'd argue that someone doing all those things does not make a person particularly brave either. If I say, I don't eat at restaurants because I think the food is badly handled (probably), someone who accepts that risk is not made of sterner stuff.
How many other activities do you participate in where routine risk is treated as afterthought? Food poisoning from a restaurant? Rush hour driving? Receiving anesthetics for surgery? Leaving the Christmas lights on overnight? Drinking year after year? Going into the office during a flu season.
College football aside, too many of us are allowing COVID, and only COVID, to exploit our fear of death at the risk of putting our economic futures in severe jeopardy.
Maybe, but @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) specifically stated it "makes me a person who pretends risk isn't there." That might be true for him, but it's certainly not true for me.
I agree to an extent but there's a significant difference between COVID vs car accidents and food poisoning that makes our behavioral changes for COVID more sensible...
COVID is contagious. Car accidents and food poisoning are not.
I'd also be interested to see the scale. I'm sure more people die in auto accidents. I kinda doubt that many people die of food poisoning. Maybe we expand to hospitalizations.
I agree to an extent but there's a significant difference between COVID vs car accidents and food poisoning that makes our behavioral changes for COVID more sensible...
COVID is contagious. Car accidents and food poisoning are not.
Maybe, but @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) specifically stated it "makes me a person who pretends risk isn't there." That might be true for him, but it's certainly not true for me.I sort of touched on this above, but the implication was that accepting the risk was a badge of honor. I wanted to point out that accepting the risk can also be a case of recklessness.
As in all other facets of life, I'm simply weighing various risks, and making decisions based on what I feel the threat level to be. COVID is one of those, but it's certainly not the only one, and I think that's what @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) is getting at.
They are not thinking any of this stuff through at all, just flying by the seat of their pants. The exact antithesis of what "adults" would do.This I agree with, strongly.
Well if the players unanimously want to play like for example at Ohio State, and can opt out at any time but don’t, and the parents of the players have put in writing that they support playing, and the coaches and assistant coaches all agree then why does the Big Ten have the right to tell them they can’t? They say they feel less likely to spread it in this environment. They are doing everything possible with masks and distancing, housing arrangements and everything else.What does "play" mean here?
When should they be allowed to play? And there’s a vaccine? What if there isn’t one? You’re partially right this is bizarro world but for the exact opposite reasons that you state
This feels like it was a trial balloon idea to see if they could bait the SEC and ACC into following suit, but it could as easily have been a leak by someone who wanted to scuttle the talk of cancellation that was coming. Either way, hopefully wiser heads prevail.I wrote a whole thing with the common sense answer to the bolded, but then I realized it wasn't really actually asking what the harm was in trying. It was not a question seeking an answer.
What is the freaking harm in trying it out? At least play a couple of games before pulling the plug. If it turns out to be an absolute mess and they have to cancel the season a few weeks in, fine. I think we all understand it will not be a smooth ride. But at least give it a shot.
Well know I KNOW The right thing to do is to let those college football players go ahead with their season if that’s what they choose to do.They make it because they say bombastic things that you remember.
What convinced me? Watching some female moron on MSNBC talking to a liberal Democrat somewhere and they both came to the conclusion that the only people that want to play college football are far right wingers who “want to change the subject“
How do people that fucking stupid and moronic even make it to television? Politicizing college football. Now I’ve seen it all.
Well know I KNOW The right thing to do is to let those college football players go ahead with their season if that’s what they choose to do.
What convinced me? Watching some female moron on MSNBC talking to a liberal Democrat somewhere and they both came to the conclusion that the only people that want to play college football are far right wingers who “want to change the subject“
How do people that fucking stupid and moronic even make it to television? Politicizing college football. Now I’ve seen it all.
They don’t seem to have a problem with NBA players breathing all over each other for 60 minutes but college football players who will be wearing face shields well that’s a different story. Maybe they will change their minds if we get China to sponsor college football like it does the NBA
They are not thinking any of this stuff through at all, just flying by the seat of their pants. This is obviously false.They're hoping for the best in creating an edited schedule and planning for the worst. In a week the numbers could have improved drastically (unlikely, but they optimistically allowed a week for it to happen). This is what maturity looks like, guys.
The exact antithesis of what "adults" would do.
New schedule one week that makes room for games that have to be rescheduled due to mass covid outbreaks. Optimism tempered by a time crunch and the reality of the situation.
Season cancelled the next week because there might actually be the very covid outbreaks that the new schedule was specifically designed to address.
Well know I KNOW The right thing to do is to let those college football players go ahead with their season if that’s what they choose to do.That would be our moron Senator Sherrod Brown. Hopefully that idiot just ruined any chance for reelection with that statement.
What convinced me? Watching some female moron on MSNBC talking to a liberal Democrat somewhere and they both came to the conclusion that the only people that want to play college football are far right wingers who “want to change the subject“
How do people that fucking stupid and moronic even make it to television? Politicizing college football. Now I’ve seen it all.
They don’t seem to have a problem with NBA players breathing all over each other for 60 minutes but college football players who will be wearing face shields well that’s a different story. Maybe they will change their minds if we get China to sponsor college football like it does the NBA
Jesus Christ dude. I'm right of center and even I think the bombastic politics you feel the need to insert in every post you make is downright cringe worthy.I'm sorry, but I saw that interview and it pissed me off. Senator Brown basically alluded that if you were in favor of College Football being played this season, it was political and trying to distract from the issues. Brown made it political. All HB did was point out that fact to show how stupid things have become in regards to this nonsense.
They're hoping for the best in creating an edited schedule and planning for the worst. In a week the numbers could have improved drastically (unlikely, but they optimistically allowed a week for it to happen). This is what maturity looks like, guys.Oh bullshit. You are absolutely giddy over this. You aren't fooling anybody.
I'm not amazed that we all hate the season being cancelled, but I am amazed at all the bitching and moaning. No one involved WANTS to cancel the season (and this is one of those statements I type where someone will misconstrue "no one" as meaning 100% of everybody, everywhere but it's where I mean a vast majority of people).
They are not thinking any of this stuff through at all, just flying by the seat of their pants. The exact antithesis of what "adults" would do.https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1292935194454892544?s=20
New schedule one week that makes room for games that have to be rescheduled due to mass covid outbreaks.
Season cancelled the next week because there might actually be the very covid outbreaks that the new schedule was specifically designed to address.
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1292935194454892544?s=20
I don't blame Nebraska if they go back to the Big 12 over this. I'm no attorney obviously, but there has to be some sort of breach of contract here.
At the very least, they didn't know that they were signing up for a co-ed league, when they put their name on the dotted line. O0
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1292935194454892544?s=20Conferences need to say this if that is how they feel.
Let's stipulate, just for a little message board fun, that the Big Ten brass effectively run off the four helmets, and Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska are tasked with having to scrape together a new conference. Who do they add?
Notre Dame would be the obvious choice for the first phone call. Texas and Oklahoma seem pretty poachable from the Big 12. Toss in USCw as team number 8, which is the minimum. Notre Dame would of course be the bait for them.
Looks good to me. Who else might they call, if one of these teams balks?
Rumor that Nebraska and Iowa were the only 2 to vote against itso, can Iowa and Nebraska schedule a home and home, the first game in Iowa City in September, the 2nd game in Lincoln in October?
That will never happen. The BIG is not running OSU or Michigan off... They'll never leave. jmo
Frost is suggest UNL may look at playing as an independent if the BIG shuts downso, South Dakota State is back on the schedule? Cincy??
https://footballscoop.com/news/scott-frost-nebraska-prepared-to-play-even-if-big-ten-shuts-down/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/scott-frost-nebraska-prepared-to-play-even-if-big-ten-shuts-down/)
I'd also be interested to see the scale. I'm sure more people die in auto accidents. I kinda doubt that many people die of food poisoning. Maybe we expand to hospitalizations.166 highway deaths in Iowa so far this year
If a vaccine is available around winter time, we got a shot. Otherwise I agree.
If they actually play in the spring, I'll eat my hat.
If a vaccine is available around winter time, we got a shot. Otherwise I agree.If a vaccine becomes available they then have the dilemma of playing in the spring and trying to get back on schedule in the fall. And if you have players suffer serious injuries in the spring they now have a reduced timeline to get healthy for the fall.
You wear a hat?
If they actually play in the spring, I'll eat my hat.
Sounds like Pac 12 is following suitGoing even farther, sounds like no college basketball until January
Going even farther, sounds like no college basketball until JanuaryYeah absent some really surprising numbers no chance basketball isn't getting impacted
You wear a hat?
All hat, no cattle?
I actually have a rather robust collection of hats.
Now all that I need is a hat rack, and I'll be in business.
Or I could just lose a bunch of hat-eating bets. Either way.
So do we now need a 20-21 Stream of Unconsciousness thread?All I know is that someone closed that thread as soon as you and frog face started posting in it.
All hat, no cattle?
All hat, no cattle?I don't know if he's got cattle, but if needed, I can make a couple of phone calls and provide as much BS as you can carry.
https://twitter.com/HuskerExtraSip/status/1293286928574545920?s=20if the players are still going to class, they might as well be going to practice
have to agree..
Dr. Seuss, ovah here!
I keep the cattle under the saddle.
They fear that they might become an even bigger joke outside of the Midwest than they already are?selfish
(No, that isn't actually possible)
I'm hoping the primary attribute you look for in hats is flavor, just in case it happens.
If they actually play in the spring, I'll eat my hat.
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1293357676173426691?s=20I find these moments interesting (GIF too, I guess).
In summary...
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I'm hoping the primary attribute you look for in hats is flavor, just in case it happens.
https://twitter.com/HuskerExtraSip/status/1293286928574545920?s=20The kids love the structure that football provides, so if they can get some of it while practicing with their team 20 hours per week, why not?
have to agree..
The Great Schism of 2020-21. Not sure if we have any other Catholics who will get the joke.I just had an ok middle school history class, and I’m 90 percent sure that’s where I learned it.
That just seems like a lot of practicing during the week without the payoff of games anytime in the near future.But you have so much time to check back in.
And if I’m a senior it will be hard not to mentally check out.
That just seems like a lot of practicing during the week without the payoff of games anytime in the near future.There are talks to expand the rosters for next season, for those who want to stay on. The NCAA will be the sticking point there, for those who have used their redshirt.
And if I’m a senior it will be hard not to mentally check out.
grounds to kick Stanford out of the conference
The Great Schism of 2020-21. Not sure if we have any other Catholics who will get the joke.Said in a Doctor "Bones" McCoy voice: "I'm not a Catholic, Jim, I'm a historian!"
No OSU, I was just getting ready to go all in on my new hometown team in this, their first ever season at the D1 level, and thenSilly Buckeye, Dixie isn't a state. And when it was, it wasn't in Utah.
https://twitter.com/DixieAthletics/status/1293597103663591431?s=20
Like senior citizens are literally checking out.
And if I’m a senior it will be hard not to mentally check out.
Silly Buckeye, Dixie isn't a state. And when it was, it wasn't in Utah.
There is no connection.Get your maps out.
You wouldn't know that around here.We lament the internet age and all its trappings, but the wiki on the name is super thorough and a reminder of the info at our finger tips.
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Does anyone else see the connection between regions cancelling football/and not with the N/S breakdown of the Civil War?Humans are good at seeing patterns and associating them with things. It often says more about the human than the reality at hand.
The midwest and CA breaking one way, the south and plains breaking the other way, with the border states siding with the south this time.
Does anyone else see the connection between regions cancelling football/and not with the N/S breakdown of the Civil War?so it's a race issue
The midwest and CA breaking one way, the south and plains breaking the other way, with the border states siding with the south this time.
so it's a race issue
so it's a race issue
I'd love for that to be the case, however how many of those black people are decison-makers at the universities in question?
Yes. Clearly Fro is trying to insinuate something about black people.
[img width=500 height=301.989]https://www.michiganradio.org/sites/michigan/files/styles/x_large/public/201109/blackpopulation_uscensus.jpg[/img]
Bison just trying to replaced the former L with a W.
The Bison were originally supposed to play at Oregon on Sept. 5, but the Pac-12 joined the Big Ten in first nixing nonconference play before ultimately pulling the plug on football this fall altogether.
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/fcs-power-north-dakota-state-wants-to-play-nebraska-this-fall-and-has-reached-out/article_a54e1df6-1c67-5faa-aa8e-5e5b36aac948.html?%3F&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR3h5cWbXxslF0HHAH-XpTo1yvzJkXqpLtlnEdLFfs91EuLbaYozya1qNto (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/fcs-power-north-dakota-state-wants-to-play-nebraska-this-fall-and-has-reached-out/article_a54e1df6-1c67-5faa-aa8e-5e5b36aac948.html?%3F&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR3h5cWbXxslF0HHAH-XpTo1yvzJkXqpLtlnEdLFfs91EuLbaYozya1qNto)
then why bring up the civil war?Because that's where I saw a similarity?
I'm not going to try again
Because that's where I saw a similarity?I don’t think it’s that “ far fetched”. Not so much a civil war analogy as much as a political one. Let’s be truthful - everything related to the pandemic has been politicized much to our dismay. You could have easily predicted that the conferences based in the north in the far west would be the ones most likely to bow out and the ones based in the South would opt to try to play
I don’t think it’s that “ far fetched”. Not so much a civil war analogy as much as a political one. Let’s be truthful - everything related to the pandemic has been politicized much to our dismay. You could have easily predicted that the conferences based in the north in the far west would be the ones most likely to bow out and the ones based in the South would opt to try to play
you could also make a valid argument that leaves Ohio State has the most vulnerable school from a recruiting standpoint given that they have the current top rank class and are considered the standard bearer for the Big Ten. It’s already happening many schools are already coming after their big recruits.
https://lettermenrow.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/ohio-state-recruiting-ryan-day-cancelled-2021-two-seasons-freshmen-class/
Yeah, see, you typed it all out. I just shared the initial thought. Same difference.You know, if you spent a little more typing your reasoning rather than saying "See? The Civil War states want to play football! Isn't that interesting and somehow relevant???" perhaps we might have understood where you were going with it.
I don’t think it’s that “ far fetched”. Not so much a civil war analogy as much as a political one. Let’s be truthful - everything related to the pandemic has been politicized much to our dismay. You could have easily predicted that the conferences based in the north in the far west would be the ones most likely to bow out and the ones based in the South would opt to try to playNebraska the strange outlier here
You know, if you spent a little more typing your reasoning rather than saying "See? The Civil War states want to play football! Isn't that interesting and somehow relevant???" perhaps we might have understood where you were going with it.could ya find it in your heart to give the dude the benefit of the doubt? ;)
As it stands, I don't for a SECOND believe that your rationale was what @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) posted.
As an OSU(B1G/Pac) recruit why do you stay? You can't play here, but you can get prepared for the NFL just as well at Clemson or Alabama, or the south. I expect all 4 and 5 star recruits in the Pac and B1G to go where they can play.I doubt it's a big thing... All the 2020 guys are already on campus, signed their LOI, and would need to enter the transfer portal.
Showing my personal perspective here, but I think the B1G really screwed the pooch here in canceling without making sure the SEC was on board with canceling also.
I doubt it's a big thing... All the 2020 guys are already on campus, signed their LOI, and would need to enter the transfer portal.I will be optimistic and think the same.
All the 2021 guys aren't thinking this will affect their PT much. Any 2021 guy who isn't enrolling early won't really have much difference to their decision anyway.
In fact, any 2021 guy who is planning on enrolling early could potentially play real spring ball for a B1G or PAC team, while going to a team that already played in fall will have completed their season. That can get them real game experience to prepare them for the fall season and get them ahead of any non-early enrollees on the depth chart because they'll have gotten real reps against real opponents.
Not only that, even 4*/5* guys at a place like OSU won't get a lot of PT as a true freshman. But if the season is in the spring, all the high draft potential guys who opt out to prepare for the draft in spring ball won't be on the depth chart ahead of them, so they might even have MORE chances at PT as a true frosh.
I don't see why this would affect recruiting all that much.
You know, if you spent a little more typing your reasoning rather than saying "See? The Civil War states want to play football! Isn't that interesting and somehow relevant???" perhaps we might have understood where you were going with it.I think it's because the South's religion is football, as always. End of story.
As it stands, I don't for a SECOND believe that your rationale was what @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) posted.
the B1G really screwed the pooch here in canceling without waiting for more informationUnless they didn't even want the guys practicing around each other...except they still are.
easily could have kicked the can down the road a couple weeks
I don’t think it’s that “ far fetched”. Not so much a civil war analogy as much as a political one. Let’s be truthful - everything related to the pandemic has been politicized much to our dismay. You could have easily predicted that the conferences based in the north in the far west would be the ones most likely to bow out and the ones based in the South would opt to try to playOne thing I found interesting in the politicization of the thing is how we've never quite been able to step back from numbers. We had a discussion about data on some thread, and the first step was to say, "Well I don't trust it." And at times, I think the value is stepping back, taking note of data, understanding the timing may lag or be weird and also understanding it's not static.
You know, if you spent a little more typing your reasoning rather than saying "See? The Civil War states want to play football! Isn't that interesting and somehow relevant???" perhaps we might have understood where you were going with it.Thanks for calling me a liar. That's fun.
As it stands, I don't for a SECOND believe that your rationale was what @Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) posted.
Football Championship Subdivision powerhouse North Dakota State has interest in playing the Huskers, the school's athletic director Matt Larsen confirmed to InForum.com in Fargo, North Dakota.I thought I saw where the B1G commish said that Nebraska is free to schedule opponents and play football as long as they don't want to remain in the B1G.
An NDSU spokesperson confirmed to the Journal Star on Wednesday afternoon that the school has reached out to Nebraska about playing. He said NDSU wants to play up to three games this fall, including perhaps one FBS opponent.
The Bison were originally supposed to play at Oregon on Sept. 5, but the Pac-12 joined the Big Ten in first nixing nonconference play before ultimately pulling the plug on football this fall altogether.
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/fcs-power-north-dakota-state-wants-to-play-nebraska-this-fall-and-has-reached-out/article_a54e1df6-1c67-5faa-aa8e-5e5b36aac948.html?%3F&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR3h5cWbXxslF0HHAH-XpTo1yvzJkXqpLtlnEdLFfs91EuLbaYozya1qNto (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/fcs-power-north-dakota-state-wants-to-play-nebraska-this-fall-and-has-reached-out/article_a54e1df6-1c67-5faa-aa8e-5e5b36aac948.html?%3F&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_Husker_Extra&fbclid=IwAR3h5cWbXxslF0HHAH-XpTo1yvzJkXqpLtlnEdLFfs91EuLbaYozya1qNto)
Unless they didn't even want the guys practicing around each other...except they still are.Truth be told they didn't want us to going thru the hassle of planning a board meeting - that'd be cruel
I think it's all getting shut down, and I think that's probably the right call, but I agree, I don't get why now. You still had at least 2 weeks to make a call.
Legends & Leaders
Well, they wouldn't be the Big Ten if they didn't step on their own dicks from time to time.
Thanks for calling me a liar. That's fun.Why because he stated he didn't believe your rationale?Well then we're all liars - see you're not paranoid
Good to have you back.I've never even heard of a derecho (other than it being the Spanish word for "right" that is).
Before that derecho formed, the storm that spawned it dropped baseball-sized hail on my friend's apartment on the west side of MSP.
EtymologyDerecho comes from the Spanish word in adjective form for "straight" (or "direct"), in contrast with a tornado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado) which is a "twisted" wind.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho#cite_note-3) The word was first used in the American Meteorological Journal in 1888 by Gustavus Detlef Hinrichs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavus_Detlef_Hinrichs) in a paper describing the phenomenon and based on a significant derecho event that crossed Iowa on 31 July 1877.
I've never even heard of a derecho (other than it being the Spanish word for "right" that is).I had to look it up
I am back. One day without cell phone service (250 U.S. Cellular towers knocked out by the derecho -U.S. Cellular is the dominant cell phone company in Eastern Iowa). When U.S. Cellular came back, for the first day we were at 1G and calls were dropping and there was no internet on the phone, either. We did not lose power, but 700,000 did lose power. My landlines were down two-days, and internet down two-days, both from service provider, cable company, Mediacom. My town is 45-miles north of Cedar Rapids. Cedar Rapidians got hit hard. Some still have no power after Monday's storm. We had no damage here other than to communications. Instead of our folks shopping in CR, Cedar Rapidians were clearing out our shelves, and buying our gas. That's good payback. And, with so little news that isn't political news, I don't think many people even knew 700,000 people lost power.sending some of our standby generators to the other side of the state
That said, I was thinking tonight, the Midwest could host the Rose Bowl this Spring. Let's make the Left Coasters travel for once. Put the Rose Bowl in Ann Arbor, the Outback Bowl in Soldier Field, the Citrus Bowl will be replaced by the Corn Bowl, yeah - you got it. Iowa City. Now where could we have a Midwestern Holiday Bowl? Columbus just doesn't seem like the right town to take a holiday in, let's put that in Madison. Let's have the Capital Bowl in DC or at College Park, preferably DC.
Make the ACC, SEC, and PAC-12 come here; the weather will be nicer, and they can learn about the Midwest for a change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho)I love ZZ Top.I think I'm going to listen to some ZZ Top this morning. Deguello, and all that.One of these crushed half the trees in the BWCA on July 4, 1999.
I love ZZ Top.well, that's just your definition of lotta and nice
La Grange is a dump, though. They do NOT gotta lotta nice girls, I can assure you of that.
The Big Ten Conference announced on Tuesday that it has postponed all fall sports, with the hopes of playing football in the spring. Steve Spurrier is hoping the conference will change its mind.Wow. That's a horrible way to put it lol!
The former Florida and South Carolina head coach appeared on The Paul Finebaum Show on Wednesday afternoon.
Spurrier, who won a national title at Florida in 1996, said he hopes that the Big Ten will reverse its course and play.
“With three of the Power Five conferences ready to play, I think we can have college football,” Spurrier said Wednesday. “I really do. If we have to watch on television, so be it. These guys are pretty safe. They really are, Paul. It reminds me of the movie, ‘The Longest Yard,’ with Burt Reynolds and all of those guys. Right now, the college football players, they are the prisoners. They’ve got nowhere to go but to practice and back to their cell, or their dorm and eat together. That’s the way all of these teams have been living for the last couple of months or so.
reports from UNL state that the entire football roster has been under strict rules since arriving on campus in JulyWe know how seriously people of that age group respond to "rules".
Wow. That's a horrible way to put it lol!
But let's look at what young people do. An undrafted free agent for the Seahawks just got caught trying to sneak a woman into the team hotel. Dude's trying to make a roster and get PAID, and he can't avoid bringing unauthorized people into the half-assed bubble the team put together.
You think these college players, especially those who know they'll never play on Sundays, are going to go into full-scale quarantine?
reports from UNL state that the entire football roster has been under strict rules since arriving on campus in July:57:
not sure about Frost's discipline procedures, but it's safe to say the 100 young men on the roster are behaving in a safer manner than the general student bodyThat's funny.
If I were king I'd probably have them playing right now, and try to get the season over before October. Or I'd be looking at April and May. I would not try to fool around with winter.Can't do winter in most places. The stadia get winterized and shut down.
Can't do winter in most places. The stadia get winterized and shut down.
Pretty sure ISU and the Kansas schools have to shut them down. There is no place on earth that gets a cold as Kansas, or as hot.The farther from the coast, the more extreme the temps. So they've got that working for them.
Pretty sure ISU and the Kansas schools have to shut them down. There is no place on earth that gets a cold as Kansas, or as hot.
Experts? Pffft. What do THEY know?!? It's not like they took an oath or anything.All I got from that article was that there are experts on both sides of this, they don’t agree, and it’s highly politicized. So OFA which ones took an oath? Let me guess the ones that you agree with LOL
Yes. The upper plains are no joke, though it isn't as if Kansas can't be 105 and -20 in the same year either. I remember a year in Lincoln going from -26 to 100+ in about 5 mos. Its really those days that drop 40+ degrees within minutes that the Plains can experience which is just a marvel. I believe Montana has the biggest 24 hr swing on record thanks to Chinook winds, going from -52 to 49.Yep. And Montana is farther from the Great Lakes--which produce a minor version of ocean effects--than the Dakotas, so it would tend to have greater temperature extremes, all other factors being equal.
Yep. And Montana is farther from the Great Lakes--which produce a minor version of ocean effects--than the Dakotas, so it would tend to have greater temperature extremes, all other factors being equal.
Pretty good (and even handed) SI article on the issues and decision making of the various conferences and the NCAA.Very good, I think.
https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/14/ncaa-football-covid-medical-experts-big-ten-pac-12
I don't know about Montana, but in Idaho the summers feel like an oven full of hair dryers, while they get buried beneath one blizzard after another all through the winter.If it weren't for the mountain ranges between it and the Pacific Ocean, Idaho would have cooler summers and warmer winters.
Ya know, waiting two weeks for something like...That's exciting news!
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-nba-and-yale-just-landed-the-covid-testing-breakthrough-the-nfl-and-everyone-else-in-the-us-has-been-hoping-for-183335566.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/the-nba-and-yale-just-landed-the-covid-testing-breakthrough-the-nfl-and-everyone-else-in-the-us-has-been-hoping-for-183335566.html)
Was anyone on here affected by the derecho that hit the east coast back in the summer of 2012? My son was born in the aftermath of that. Friggin chaotic. His first night out of the hospital was in a Holiday Inn Express because we didn’t have power yet.We were on the outer edge of it, we lost power, but it wasn't worse than a normal bad summer storm.
9 Sooners report with Covid.If they are defensive players, Oklahoma could just hold them out with no harm done.
This will need its own thread if conferences actually go through with this. It'll be repetitive, sad, and unnecessary.
9 Sooners report with Covid.I'm not terribly certain what the strategy is. To me, given how little the virus affects young people, I think you have to pick a pony of the guys are young and healthy this isn't a particular problem for them, so we'll have college and football and whatnot. Or, we'll try to be extremely online for classes and make our best efforts to keep everyone apart. But the idea of having kids on campus for school, and also trying to monitor tests for everyone, seems like a lame half measure that both spreads the virus and reduces the ability to play meaningful sports.
This will need its own thread if conferences actually go through with this. It'll be repetitive, sad, and unnecessary.
9 Sooners report with Covid.Well let’s be clear here the players were sent home because of the delay in schedule. It’s when they got back they tested positive. Maybe we need a special thread for that for all of the big 10 players who get it from not participating in football?
This will need its own thread if conferences actually go through with this. It'll be repetitive, sad, and unnecessary.
Well let’s be clear here the players were sent home because of the delay in schedule. It’s when they got back they tested positive. Maybe we need a special thread for that for all of the big 10 players who get it from not participating in football?https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1294727038058860544?s=19
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1294727038058860544?s=19My point stands. They were let out of the bubble
Well let’s be clear here the players were sent home because of the delay in schedule. It’s when they got back they tested positive. Maybe we need a special thread for that for all of the big 10 players who get it from not participating in football?The point is there will always be something. You can poo-poo all the reality you want, but 20 year olds and bubbles aren't compatible.
My point stands. They were let out of the bubbleThere isn't going to be a bubble
My point stands. They were let out of the bubbleThey’re not in a bubble.
Whether they are in a campus town or their hometown would seem to make some difference, versus being "at home". Home arguably is a slightly more controlled environment, perhaps, versus a college town (??).I live in a college town. Sorority rush started this weekend. Many blonds. Many short shorts.
I think the key variable is being "on campus", not playing football etc.
The point is there will always be something. You can poo-poo all the reality you want, but 20 year olds and bubbles aren't compatible.
This experiment - and that's what it is - is a failure before it even begins. I'll hang up and listen.
I live in a college town. Sorority rush started this weekend. Many blonds. Many short shorts.What are you planning?You're a little to old for a frat boy aren't you?
This is gonna be tricky.
Back in the day for surethe Spanish flu took far too many
For B10 fans to side with the SEC experts over their B10 experts....that's ideology and/or politics.Translation: I am right and if you disagree you are being political.
That's all I'm going to say.
University of Michigan cardiologist Dr. Venk Murthy is questioning data used by the Big Ten to cancel its fall sports season. “It could be reasonable to cancel, just not on the basis of this paper which is highlighted extensively,” Murthy, professor of Preventive Cardiology at The UM Samuel and Jean Frankel Cardiovascular Center, tweeted in reference to a paper being relied upon by the Big Ten. Murthy and Darrel Francis, Professor of Cardiology at the National Heart and Lung Institute at Imperial College in London have laid out why the Big Ten shouldn’t be using the flawed paper as basis for cancellation.Prof. Francois Balloux is an excellent follow on Twitter if you are looking for nonpolitical info on covid.
“If we as a profession are happy to retweet gibberish, we can’t blame universities, sports associations and governments for talking nonsense,” Francis said about the paper in question.
Murthy concludes the paper being used by the Big Ten shouldn’t have been used. “Bad statistics and lots of moderate to severe effusions, LGE, etc in their controls means to me it is a paper that we should put little stock in this paper, regardless,” he wrote on Twitter.
Professor Francis agrees: “Yes, I do think we should disregard it for now. The lead author did message me after my thread. I recommended they temporarily retract it pending changes, because otherwise it would keep misleading people.”
Earlier this week, Outkick’s Dr. David Chao addressed the myocarditis study divide between the Big Ten and the SEC.
https://www.outkick.com/university-of-michigan-cardiologist-questions-flawed-data-relied-on-by-big-ten-to-cancel-season/ (https://www.outkick.com/university-of-michigan-cardiologist-questions-flawed-data-relied-on-by-big-ten-to-cancel-season/)
I think we have several "relative risk" corridors here:The above plus playing football and practicing
Football players attending class on campus
The above plus playing football and practicing
The same group staying at home (doing what college kids do)
The same group on campus with no classes except on line
Elderly relatives of the above.
Anything else?
Do you see a significant risk difference in those scenarios?
For B10 fans to side with the SEC experts over their B10 experts....that's ideology and/or politics.Why do fans of Big Ten schools have to be in lock step with every decision made by the conference? You aren’t.
That's all I'm going to say.
Translation: I am right and if you disagree you are being political.I don't see any translation needed.
par for the course.
I don't see any translation needed.I don’t think I am right. That’s what you’re missing.
You keep saying the same thing over and over, but it's not exclusive to me, it's true for EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.
Yes, I think I'm right (just as you think you're right). Yes, if I disagree with you, I think you're wrong (just as you think I'm wrong when you disagree with me).
Just a bizarre criticism of me (ie - everyone on the planet).
University of Michigan cardiologist Dr. Venk Murthy is questioning data used by the Big Ten to cancel its fall sports season. “It could be reasonable to cancel, just not on the basis of this paper which is highlighted extensively,” Murthy, professor of Preventive Cardiology at The UM Samuel and Jean Frankel Cardiovascular Center, tweeted in reference to a paper being relied upon by the Big Ten. Murthy and Darrel Francis, Professor of Cardiology at the National Heart and Lung Institute at Imperial College in London have laid out why the Big Ten shouldn’t be using the flawed paper as basis for cancellation.The Murthy stuff is interesting. But Outkick is for the most part pandering trash.
The goal clearly is to get My Side elected. Duh.😂. Well played
Heh. This ain't wrong. It's not great my first thought when I saw one tweet was "there's going to be some qualifier that makes it seem not as bad in the first three replies."
Now half of us say “ see”, when they got away from football they got corona and the other half say “see “ they are football players they got corona. LOL.
The goal clearly is to get My Side elected. Duh.I think the new Big Ten commish, fumbled
They are the ones who need to be right in a very personal choice.This isn't a very personal choice, it's a very communicable disease. That's the whole thing.
The Sweden experience is still very interesting to me and appears to be being over looked largely. They kept their economy up pretty much and have managed to get deaths and infection rates way down now, after an early "crisis" that did not overwhelm their hospital capacity.From what I've read, their economy didn't do any better than surrounding countries that shut down for a time.
A rational goal would be to balance "risk and reward" and close down higher risk activities that are not severe penalties so as to keep hospitals up and running.However, the problem is that each of us has different risks and different rewards.
This isn't a very personal choice, it's a very communicable disease. That's the whole thing.Says the guy who called POTUS a dictator
A rational goal would be to balance "risk and reward" and close down higher risk activities that are not severe penalties so as to keep hospitals up and running.In a more general sense, we each have individual risk/reward goals, but the problem is that our own individual risk/reward matrix very rarely accounts for externalities.
Says the guy who called POTUS a dictatorAspiring dictator. Thankfully he's not there yet. :57:
😂😂😂
In a more general sense, we each have individual risk/reward goals, but the problem is that our own individual risk/reward matrix very rarely accounts for externalities.Or millions of people marching, protesting and also, some being violent and destructive. But that’s more than ok right?
A healthy 23-year-old with no comorbid conditions who wants to go to the bar with his friends to watch his alma mater's football game is making a risk/reward calculation. It's that his enjoyment of the event is worth the risk of catching COVID-19, a disease which has very low probability of hurting him in any significant way.
But with something like COVID, the degree of community spread causes risk to FAR more people than just he and his buddies, unless everyone in that bar lives alone and immediately goes home to a bubble for 2 weeks afterwards. Which of course isn't going to happen. The guys who is an unknowing asymptomatic contagious carrier who thinks he's only risking himself and his buddies may not be taking into account the risk to his waitress trying to earn a living but who lives with her 88-year-old grandmother. Why would that risk enter his calculation? He doesn't know that risk even exists.
The rational goal is to try to preserve as much economic activity as we can while minimizing community spread. Part of that is that we ask everyone to take part in taking precautions and not doing things which will unfairly burden society by increasing community spread for frivolities. But instead, somewhere between 350-400K people decided that going to a motorcycle rally and not taking precautions (https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2020/08/09/2020-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-draws-thousands-no-mask-requirements-covid-19-coronavirus/3331908001/) was essential.
Aspiring dictator. Thankfully he's not there yet. :57:OFA is the aspiring dictator.
I don't think any of the protests (Huntington Beach maskless protests of beach closures, various states' maskless protests to "liberate" from lockdowns, most of the thankfully masked protests of Floyd/BLM) were particularly smart. And the violence and looting in some of the protests is inexcusable regardless of COVID.Sanctioned. Now that’s funny
But it's a false equivalence when you compare organized and sponsored events such as universities/leagues hosting sporting events [especially with fans] or cities' hosting motorcycle rallies.
Large groups of people, whether a protest or a rally, are irresponsible as it relates to community spread. But only one is officially sanctioned, hosted, and encouraged by an entity.
But instead, somewhere between 350-400K people decided that going to a motorcycle rally and not taking precautions (https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2020/08/09/2020-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-draws-thousands-no-mask-requirements-covid-19-coronavirus/3331908001/) was essential.Some things are not controllable by governments, like protests etc. There is no way to suppress or discourage some large gathering of that ilk especially by folks who don't care for government in large part.
Says the guy who called POTUS a dictatorNot sure what that has to do with it.
😂😂😂
Some things are not controllable by governments, like protests etc. There is no way to suppress or discourage some large gathering of that ilk especially by folks who don't care for government in large part.SoDak governor declares martial law is in effect in Sturgis?
I imagine every President at times would like to be a dictator. Of course then they couldn't try and blame "the other side" for what went wrong.Don't limit it to presidents.
I imagine it's true for second lieutenants too, presuming they aren't wondering around lost.Heh!
The lust for control is a human trait.
If I were in charge ....
FWIW, there is a petition to reinstate the Big Ten Fall season.
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/wewanttoplay?source=twitter-share-button&utm_source=twitter&share=6d96ceb1-45f7-4796-9fe8-2f08b5f39d25 (https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/wewanttoplay?source=twitter-share-button&utm_source=twitter&share=6d96ceb1-45f7-4796-9fe8-2f08b5f39d25)
I don't think these "petitions" are meaningful, at all. The official ones can be of course, not this one.It was started by Justin Fields and has the support of a lot of players and coaches. It is meaningful, though not sure it will move the B1G.
Can someone outline the relative risk of having a fall season for me? I laid out the possible scenarios before. Risk to players playing versus the same risk not playing.
Risk of students being on campus versus being at home.
It was started by Justin Fields and has the support of a lot of players and coaches. It is meaningful, though not sure it will move the B1G.I mean, coaches and players supporting something has meaning. Less than 2 percent of the viewership of OSU-Michigan voting in an online poll does not.
I mean, coaches and players supporting something has meaning. Less than 2 percent of the viewership of OSU-Michigan voting in an online poll does not.Yeah - it wouldn't be a surprise to the B1G folks that people want to watch football. I think it is surprising to see so many players and coaches vocally fighting the decision (that is being made, supposedly, for their safety).
It was started by Justin Fields and has the support of a lot of players and coaches. It is meaningful, though not sure it will move the B1G.How then is it meaningful? You seem to find "meaning" in stuff that you admit is not going to change anything.
How then is it meaningful? You seem to find "meaning" in stuff that you admit is not going to change anything.It's the meaningful to the extent it clearly is on the radar of the B1G leadership. It may or may not affect the B1G season. Are other leagues paying attention? Absolutely they are. There is almost no question it is moving the needle towards playing. So it's meaningful. I am much more process based than results based.
I don't.
You can have your "process". I'll deal with results, and likely results. This simply is not going to matter, at all, to anyone.That's fine. There are the sausage eaters and the sausage makers.
It's show, not go.
Do, or do not, there is no process.
I spent 32 painful if remunerative years working at a place that emphasized "process" over "results". It makes me sick to think about it.It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it. Everything, that ha ever happened, had some process that went along with it. Either you understand the process or you don't. I don't understand everything that went into my morning coffee. I just care that I drank it. That doesn't erase everything that went into making it. It's just not something I care about.
To me, it's hand waving, feel good notional aspirational burfle. I'll stick with hard core metrics myself.
You are welcome to think some petition means anything, in your process oriented world.Some day they will play and you'll be like, well, who knows how that happened.
I don't, and it won't.
So, what is the increased risk to players if they play versus if they do not play?I pointed it out.
So what is the likelihood that the demands made by PAC12 and Big Ten players contributed to the cancellation of the season?Difficult to rule it out. There was a spin going into the season that the evil administrators were going to make the kids play to make money. So actions by the players to protections certainly fit into that spin. But perhaps that spin was off. Everything is kind of a huge pain in the ass right now, and the evil administrators are trying to figure out how to have college at all, much less college football. So with the kids not wanting to play and the administrators wanting to avoid a huge headache, they just call the season. But they haven't been transparent, and clearly not everyone is on board.
I spent 32 painful if remunerative years working at a place that emphasized "process" over "results". It makes me sick to think about it.Just hating on Nick Saban
To me, it's hand waving, feel good notional aspirational burfle. I'll stick with hard core metrics myself.
Difficult to rule it out. There was a spin going into the season that the evil administrators were going to make the kids play to make money. So actions by the players to protections certainly fit into that spin. But perhaps that spin was off. Everything is kind of a huge pain in the ass right now, and the evil administrators are trying to figure out how to have college at all, much less college football. So with the kids not wanting to play and the administrators wanting to avoid a huge headache, they just call the season. But they haven't been transparent, and clearly not everyone is on board.That's always been the sticking point IMHO. How can you claim it's safe for athletes to compete on the field if you don't think it's safe enough for students to be on campus and go to in-person CLASS safely?
Betcha it's Maximum Sam he's slings jurisprudence in that neck of the woodsThough that would require someone to respect me
Making the twitter rounds; B1G Office has drafted a letter to reinstate Fall Athletics (with liability waiver and saliva testing,) just need to get the presidents on board.Could be wishful rumoring, and they'd look like complete fools if they change this and then do a UNC.
This could happen.
Making the twitter rounds; B1G Office has drafted a letter to reinstate Fall Athletics (with liability waiver and saliva testing,) just need to get the presidents on board.I've said from the start that schools that have any semblance of in-person learning won't last a month. Look at UNC and the public schools in Georgia that went back wholesale. The B1G presidents would do well to stick to their guns.
This could happen.
if a school was smart they'd move to on-line learning this fall but keep/allow athletes to move to campus. You'd have the bubble that would allow sports to exist and everyone would be online for school.
If they can adequately enforce it, sure.
Give me this 100%. If the players don't have anyone to go 'student' with, then they stay in their bubble and they stay safe.
A fellow I knew at work got "discouraged" once and went to see the Director, who agreed to talk to him. My buddy came out of that chat really upbeat. "He really listened! I am thrilled!" he said.Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.
Over lunch, I asked him what the Director said to him, and whether he had agreed to make any actual changes in anything. My buddy talked for a while, and suddenly it dawned on him, the Director had soft soaped him entirely, saying pleasing words and "feeling his pain" and agreeing with his complaints.
And committing to NOTHING. At all.
I managed to depress him considerably, and of course, in time, not a thing changed.
It's a technique many managers learn along the way, listen, or pretend to, and nod, and agree, and commit to nothing of substance, kinda like signing some CO2 reduction plan in Paris. Most folks are thrilled with the news, and they don't realize you really committed to doing nothing on your watch. Lip service, it fools a LOT of people even today.
If they can adequately enforce it, sure.
However, a lot of students live in off-campus housing year-round. Shutting down dorms doesn't get rid of them. Many of them have jobs and don't want to go "home" for the summer anyway; campus is home. So much like the football players, a significant population of students will still be around for their distance learning.
The NBA created a real bubble. Quite literally people are in a controlled environment 24/7.
If the B1G athletic programs can actually create a bubble. One that is complete (all tutors, support staff, coaches, athletes, referees, etc buy in) and is enforced, then I think it can work.
But MLB has shown that if you don't have a true bubble, you might as well have nothing.
Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.It’s especially hard to get changed when the overwhelming majority of citizens are opposed to the change in question.
Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.Check back in a year or two about what really changed.
If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.
I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.Exactly. And the chain is only as strong as the weakest link... And in a roster of 85ish scholarship players and a dozen or more walk-ons... There are a lot of opportunities for weak links.
Exactly. And the chain is only as strong as the weakest link... And in a roster of 85ish scholarship players and a dozen or more walk-ons... There are a lot of opportunities for weak links.I kind of of disagree - to the extent that professionals are in charge of their own time and aren't used to lots of structure or organization of their free time. College athletes, especially during the season, are nothing but organized. They have practice, class, study tables, practice, games, sleep and that's about it. I think it would be an easier transition to a bubble for a college student compared to a pro athlete. Further, there is looking to be a lot more social pressure on guys to fall in line - parents protesting, Justin Fields starting petitions, etc.
As mentioned, the Seahawks just cut an undrafted free agent because he was trying to sneak a girl into the team hotel.
A UDFA!!! The exact guy who should be on his best behavior because he's already a long-shot to make the team, and because a single season at league minimum could set his retirement fund up forever. And he couldn't even maintain a bubble.
If you could pull off a bubble and actually get buy-in from everyone, it would be fine. I don't believe that's within the realm of possibility though.
I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.You're forgetting the most important part: They're already playing for those apartments.
So in real life, what would happen is very different. As we discussed on the 2020 thread, just because a school is "online-only" doesn't mean the students all go back to their home towns and never interact. Maybe the ones that live on-campus in dorms, IF the school closes down the dorms of course which not all of them will.
But the truth is that a huge number of college kids live off campus and aren't going to go back to their hometowns just because school is online-only. Some have jobs in their college towns that they need, and others just don't want to go back to their parents' homes. At Texas, 80% of students live off-campus. That's 32,000 kids. And just because the classes might be online-only, they're still going to be doing college kid things like keg parties and hooking up. And football players are going to participate in those activities regardless of whether the football season happens, or not.
Add Notre Dame to the list of schools that successfully duped its students for money.This logic feels interesting.
Caveat Emptor.
This logic feels interesting.Yup, it does indeed imply that.
It implies the schools should've just told them to say home. Which I suppose is more honest than having them come on board and then leave, but also seems like it would've raised a mess of hackles in its own way.
Like folks can argue giving it some measure of college try was actually duplicitous, but there was also a strong push to give it a try. (I suppose it feels like a push of try harder is missing from some of the comments. I dunno)
Yup, it does indeed imply that.I guess I got the sense from your tone you were not in favor of that level of shutdown, but that might be me scanning and mixing up your posts with other folks'. If that's the case, I misunderstood.
If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?Made me laugh because I immediately agreed with the logic of your post. Then I thought, "Just a moment, a bubble with no chicks?"
If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?Eh, is that even college football at that point? You've eliminated all of the reasons I prefer something other than the top-level of the sport
Eh, is that even college football at that point? You've eliminated all of the reasons I prefer something other than the top-level of the sportI'm not sure it is. More just throwing out there possibilities of what would and wouldn't be worth the effort. It does throw out most of the league, but gives the teams that really want to play an opportunity to have some semblence of a season.
Has UNC shut down their football season? I didn't hear they did (yet). This would be very odd if it happens, I think. Worth watching? We mostly will of course.It's interesting...
It's interesting...😂😂😂👍
"We've carefully evaluated the science, set plans and processes in place to keep students safe, so we look forward to welcoming our students back to campus for in person learning!"
One week later: "Uhh, please go home, students. But be sure to tune in to Tarheel Football this fall, because we've carefully, uhh, evaluated the science, set, uhh, plans and processes in place to keep athletes, uhh, safe. Yeah, we totally mean it this time!"
I guess I got the sense from your tone you were not in favor of that level of shutdown, but that might be me scanning and mixing up your posts with other folks'. If that's the case, I misunderstood.I'm not in favor of that level of shutdown, but it was completely predictable, as so many focus on "cases" rather than actual sick people, especially among this age group.
I'm not in favor of that level of shutdown, but it was completely predictable, as so many focus on "cases" rather than actual sick people, especially among this age group.This!
So, knowing that everyone was going to focus on cases, knowing this level of shutdown was inevitable, it find it duplicitous for universities to convince students there will be in-person, on-campus learning, and then shut it down as soon as the checks clear. We can go back to May/June where I posted on this message board, my prediction that this is exactly what would happen.
And this isn't unique to the two or three universities we've already discussed, I completely expect the vast majority to do so, including my own alma mater. That doesn't mean I believe it's appropriate or acceptable behavior.
I'm not in favor of that level of shutdown, but it was completely predictable, as so many focus on "cases" rather than actual sick people, especially among this age group.I feel that.
So, knowing that everyone was going to focus on cases, knowing this level of shutdown was inevitable, I find it duplicitous for universities to convince students there will be in-person, on-campus learning, and then shut it down as soon as the checks clear. We can go back to May/June where I posted on this message board, my prediction that this is exactly what would happen.
And this isn't unique to the two or three universities we've already discussed, I completely expect the vast majority to do so, including my own alma mater. That doesn't mean I believe it's appropriate or acceptable behavior.
Anyway, it felt like some dissonance. If you want folks back on campus, that was done. So the anger should probably go toward the decision to pull back, not bringing folks back to begin with. Basically, we're mad at colleges now, and if they did what people are now saying they should've done, folks would be about as mad, albeit for different reasons.I feel like it's not people being mad for different reasons, I think it's different people being mad for consistent reasons.
Gene Smith denies he's working on season. Snook claims he couldn't get Michigan on board. I dunno, Snook always seemed like a bit of a flim flam man, though several guys do vouch for his credibility.It's also one of those funny things where if it doesn't actually happen, it's just nice PR. Smith can sound like less of disliked sort of character, Michigan can get blamed.
I feel like it's not people being mad for different reasons, I think it's different people being mad for consistent reasons.Perhaps. But it feels like there's a middle of the venn diagram group mad at both. Maybe that's a total misread. I'd assume some of that group is disingenuous, and a lot is just into being mad, which is a pretty common thing.
There was a huge push to get people back to school at all levels. The people advocating for that aren't mad right now about the pullback; they're silent.
There were also a bunch of people saying that going back to school in high numbers was too risky and would end badly. Those people are saying "I told you so" right now and are mad that we risked it so that students could get a single week or maybe two before it all blew up.
Perhaps. But it feels like there's a middle of the venn diagram group mad at both. Maybe that's a total misread. I'd assume some of that group is disingenuous, and a lot is just into being mad, which is a pretty common thing.
I mean, I'm mostly just rolling my eyes at the lack of a plan/leadership. If you set the standards that low, it wasn't worth coming back. I lack strong feelings on if that standard is too low or high. But pick one and eat the crap that comes with it.
One thing I would like to know, and don't have answers on, is whether or not someone who has had the damn thing can still carry it and pass it on.Indeed, as would we all I think. I'm just not sure it's been around long enough to understand that.
Big Ten commish issued a letter, says there was an overwhelming vote against playing, it won't be revisited, and goes into reasoning, which is about what you'd expect - no reasonable way to prevent spread of disease.Maybe he'll change his mind if that petition ever reaches his desk.
Maybe he'll change his mind if that petition ever reaches his desk.Lol you start a petition and let me know how that works out for you. Let me know if you get booked on national television and the commish personally responds.
Probably not.
What was the last "petition" anyone contrived that actually changed anything of substance, other than petitions to get something on a ballot or someone recalled, an actual official petition?Nelson Mandela probably was glad people used petitions
If a petition actually COULD "DO SOMETHING", I'd be mildly interested, as opposed to some collection of random people signing up something which is basically an OPINION with zero force to it.
Yes, this is part of the origin of my anger. We all knew cases would increase. It was absolutely inevitable.Yep. I was discussing this very thing with my wife this evening. My kids go to a small private school. They start back September 8, and the plan now is for them to go back in person 5 days a week, but I’m afraid the first kid that tests positive that they will revert back to online or sending assignments home.
We also know that the percentage of young people in this age group that actually get sick from coronavirus, is quite small. And we know that the percentage of people in this age group that die of coronavirus/COVID19, is incredibly small.
So I had hopes that health officials weren't going to run screaming with their hands in the air once "THE CASES, OH MY GOD THE CASES" began increasing. Because I thought they were smart enough to know this was inevitable and they actually had a better, REALISTIC plan for handling it, once we saw the inevitable rise in "OMG THE CASES!!!!"
If their standards were going to be this low, then they shouldn't have bothered at all. But I know exactly why they DID bother with the fake attempt at "in-person" classes, because they were terrified if they stated from the beginning it would be online-only, they'd miss out on the tuition checks.
Yep. I was discussing this very thing with my wife this evening. My kids go to a small private school. They start back September 8, and the plan now is for them to go back in person 5 days a week, but I’m afraid the first kid that tests positive that they will revert back to online or sending assignments home.My youngest two already had school called off. The oldest one is still technically supposed to start September 8th, but yeah seems like just a matter of time before it gets called off too
I’m going to try and get a meeting with some leadership from the school and see what the plan is when (not if) some cases break out in the school. From a business standpoint it behooves private schools to announce in person learning, make sure the checks clear, and then change course once the checks clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wonyrM4p7v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wonyrM4p7v4)Wait, Clay Travis took a flamethrower to something? That I can't believe.
Lol you start a petition and let me know how that works out for you. Let me know if you get booked on national television and the commish personally responds.In this case, we're referring to Fields?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wonyrM4p7v4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wonyrM4p7v4)Politics. No doubt.
A bunch of 20 year olds want to play Russian roulette with a 9,100-chamber gun because there's only 9 bullets...and 50 year old men want to let them.I think the people waiting for a player to die so they can blame someone for it is gross.
It's kinda gross.
I think the people waiting for a player to die so they can blame someone for it is gross.I believe, I believe, I am a natural born believer . . . I believe.
In this case, we're referring to Fields?Yes
Panic reactions are nonsensical with this, I agree. It's always been simple math..05 is too high. It may be on target for that age group with comorbidities (which is something to look at, for this group sickle cell, not sure if asthma is considered a comorbidity or not). But without them we are looking at something a lot lower, between .0003 and .00004. So few young people from that group have died as to make it difficult to calculate.
You want college football to happen like there was no pandemic, we don't have to fret or fuss, just play with the numbers.
70 scholarship players x 130 FBS teams = 9,100 players + other players, coaches, medical staff, etc. Plus FCS, Division II, Division III, NAIA, etc.
Let's stick to the smallest number - 9,100. If there's a 0.05% death rate, that's 46 players. Dead. Not 5%, one-half of a percent. Let's say these are young, stud athletes and it's "only" one-tenth of a percent that die...that's 9 dead players.
Is that worth it? We get our memories and stats and glory and 9 of the players die. Fair trade?
It seems clear that young people have much less risk of dying of COVID-19 than their elders do.I mean, yes, true, though it does bring up an ethical conundrum - how much right does one group of people (those with a high risk of dying) to restrict another group (those with very low to zero risk). You can make a pretty good argument that young people are bearing the most of the weight of the restriction while seeing the least benefit.
But the problem is that those young people are not just around their fellow yoots. They are around their parents, maybe their grandparents, and their college professors who, in some cases, are old enough to be their grandparents.
So the young people who feel nearly invulnerable are nevertheless potential spreaders to people who have much higher probabilities of dying from the virus. They may disregard the risk to themselves. But they don't have the right to disregard the risk they can pose to others.
It seems clear that young people have much less risk of dying of COVID-19 than their elders do.
But the problem is that those young people are not just around their fellow yoots. They are around their parents, maybe their grandparents, and their college professors who, in some cases, are old enough to be their grandparents.
So the young people who feel nearly invulnerable are nevertheless potential spreaders to people who have much higher probabilities of dying from the virus. They may disregard the risk to themselves. But they don't have the right to disregard the risk they can pose to others.
So, August 20 now, and the inference is that the SEC/ACC/B12 is going to give this a go, right?I'm willing to have a conference or 2 give this experiment a try.
We've had some major Universities go to on line teaching now because of outbreaks. Are students remaining on campus for that?
Is this going to work at all? One game and done? Two? Three? Ten?
This is the one bit that I completely disagree with.
I’d argue that the general student population is more likely to get players sick, than the other way around. Rarely will asymptomatic students know they have COVID-19, but these players are regularly tested and would be quickly alerted and quarantined. It’s hypocritical that the regular community is still free to frequent restaurants, shopping malls, grocery stores, gyms, and group get-togethers, but believe they somehow have the right to weigh in on what is a proper risk for my son’s team. That’s really unfair.
I mean, yes, true, though it does bring up an ethical conundrum - how much right does one group of people (those with a high risk of dying) to restrict another group (those with very low to zero risk). You can make a pretty good argument that young people are bearing the most of the weight of the restriction while seeing the least benefit.Young people in general aren't bearing most of the weight. Small business owners and operators--and the employees they are forced to lay off--would be doing that, I think. Compared to that, young people are being inconvenienced.
I’d argue that the general student population is more likely to get players sick, than the other way around. Rarely will asymptomatic students know they have COVID-19, but these players are regularly tested and would be quickly alerted and quarantined. It’s hypocritical that the regular community is still free to frequent restaurants, shopping malls, grocery stores, gyms, and group get-togethers, but believe they somehow have the right to weigh in on what is a proper risk for my son’s team. That’s really unfair.Life isn't fair in general. It's really not fair when people (172,000 and counting right here in the USA) are dying--and millions more are suffering economically--for reasons that are beyond their control. Crying that it would be unfair for her son's team not to have a season is childish.
.05 is too high. It may be on target for that age group with comorbidities (which is something to look at, for this group sickle cell, not sure if asthma is considered a comorbidity or not). But without them we are looking at something a lot lower, between .0003 and .00004. So few young people from that group have died as to make it difficult to calculate.Please don't use realistic numbers when it might cause people to realize the fear is overblown.
I think the people waiting for a player to die so they can blame someone for it is gross.It's not about blame, it's about inevitability. It's about the math.
Hey Afro Man,I'm guess you lack data for this claim.
Your logic makes no sense... your assuming none of those 9100 athletes will catch covid and die if they don't play football. Problem is, they will have a much greater chance of catching covid going back to the dorms or to their home towns socializing with their friends than they would in a controlled FB enviornment! Playing FB has nothing to do with the death rate.
https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1296486281405501440?s=19Wait, there are other health ramifications that occur from Covid-19?
Does anyone pause for the INEVITABILITY of fans excitedly going to see their team play a football game and dying because of it?darwinism
So the SEC schools are sharing out their plans for spectators.......this is fucking unreal. They're going to have about 20,000 attending games on average.Nobody is stopping you from hiding under your bed in the fetal position.
It's like we're TRYING to spread this thing around.
Okay, so you're unswayed by the possibility of a few players dying. And no one seems to give a damn about old, fat coaches dying, how about the fans?
Does anyone pause for the INEVITABILITY of fans excitedly going to see their team play a football game and dying because of it?
Big Ten commish issued a letter, says there was an overwhelming vote against playing, it won't be revisited, and goes into reasoning, which is about what you'd expect - no reasonable way to prevent spread of disease.
Also says they are making commission on returning to play.
Wait, there are other health ramifications that occur from Covid-19?
Wait, we have NO CLUE what the long-term affects are, because it's only been 9-10 months since this thing had been around???
Shhhhh, don't tell the FOOTBALL FOR ME, NO MATTER WHAT crowd. They'll downplay it and call you names.
YesI mean, I think if the best player in the conference made an eloquent stink, he'd get on some kinda TV, with or without a petition.
Nobody is stopping you from hiding under your bed in the fetal position.The equating bravery/being scared to all this will never stop being weird to me.
We will let you know when it is safe to come out. Promise.
A point of issue I have with his letter is how he brags that they have taken a day to day approach, and were willing to continually modify their plan. But now that a decision has been made the disscusion over. No more day to day, no more updating plan. Just over.His own son is playing. Do as I say- not as I do. Sound familiarity?
And the overwhelming vote against it, doesn't seem so.
Nebraska and Iowa voted against.
OSU said they voted to push back the season a couple of weeks and others voted like them. Even if that's just one more school that gets to the 25% threshold, that doesn't seem overwhelming, just posturing.
All righty trying to figure out what is still scheduled, as we tentatively have football scheduled in two weeksBYU-Navy is very much my jam.
Sept. 3rd: South Alabama v. Southern Miss, Central Arkansas v. UAB
Sept. 5th: AAC begins
Sept. 7: BYU v. Navy
Thurs, Sept. 10: UAB v. Miami, NFL begins with Chiefs v. Texans
Saturday, Sept. 12: ACC begins in earnest, B12 start nonconference play
Sunday, Sept. 13: NFL begins in earnest
Saturday, Sept. 26: SEC begins, B12 conference play begins
Nobody is stopping you from hiding under your bed in the fetal position.I hope this post isn't a reflection of you as a person. Cuz ouch.
We will let you know when it is safe to come out. Promise.
I hope this post isn't a reflection of you as a person. Cuz ouch.What are you doing? It's not safe to come out from under your bed yet. We will let you know.
His own son is playing. Do as I say- not as I do. Sound familiarity?You do realize that Kevin Warren didn't cancel the season, right? It was the university Presidents voting. I doubt Kevin Warren even got a vote. At this point he's forced to defend the conference's decision, publicly, whether he agrees with it or not. That's the "fun" of the job.
You do realize that Kevin Warren didn't cancel the season, right? It was the university Presidents voting. I doubt Kevin Warren even got a vote. At this point he's forced to defend the conference's decision, publicly, whether he agrees with it or not. That's the "fun" of the job.I know - people are acting like he made some unilateral decision without any input. While it's opaque how they are actually arriving at decisions, it's unlikely he's acting as a dictator.
What do you do with a 4-0 BYU, that wins every game by at least 20?Wouldn't be the least deserving BYU national champ
You do realize that Kevin Warren didn't cancel the season, right? It was the university Presidents voting. I doubt Kevin Warren even got a vote. At this point he's forced to defend the conference's decision, publicly, whether he agrees with it or not. That's the "fun" of the job.No. I don’t realize that. There is much conflicting Input about that. In fact I doubt there was ever a vote
I'm guess you lack data for this claim.Your numbers are off Afro. Way off. You have asserted several inaccurate assumptions.
What are you doing? It's not safe to come out from under your bed yet. We will let you know.C'mon. You can do better than that.
And doncha be taking your laptop under there either, as you can contract Covid in computervirus form.
Your numbers are off Afro. Way off. You have asserted several inaccurate assumptions.The idea that you extracted this from my post is unbelievable. I can't fathom you actually believe I suggested this.
1) Assumption 1: all 9,100 will contract the virus.
What are you doing? It's not safe to come out from under your bed yet. We will let you know.Linking masculinity with handling a virus makes you look BRILLIANT.
And doncha be taking your laptop under there either, as you can contract Covid in computervirus form.
The also risk being confined to a wheelchair for the rest of their life on every play.We certainly are....and all evolving in different ways.
We are all animals!
https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1296486281405501440?s=19It is not just a Georgia State player, an Indiana player also contracted myocarditis from COVID-19, and NCAA football teams barely started practice. What will this look like after dozens of practices, guys in close proximity in the locker room and shower, guys hooting and hollering during practice, team huddles as the coach speaks at the close of practice, and players exerting themselves in close proximity, after 4-games are played? We just had a man die in our rural county 2-weeks before he was to have retired from COVID-19. I don't think we can pretend these times are normal, and carry on as if they were normal times.
2) Another report coming from OSU saying the presidents never voted to cancel the season, just opinions were given, and that this Warren is spearheading the shut down mostly on his own.
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National Champion BYU.Are they playing Michigan in the Holiday Bowl?
Also what if everything gets canceled after two weeks and UAB is 2-0 with a win over Miami?
No. I don’t realize that. There is much conflicting Input about that. In fact I doubt there was ever a vote
2) Another report coming from OSU saying the presidents never voted to cancel the season, just opinions were given, and that this Warren is spearheading the shut down mostly on his own.
4) Warren can't get his own kid to step down.
This is just really offensive. If he was so concerned about it, he would have his son opt out without penalty.Man this looks like a concerted effort by the Universities to throw Kevin Warren under the bus because of their own decision--that they regret now that their boosters and fans are in revolt.
He is just an SEC sleeper cell.
If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?
Where is Minnesota in all of this? All the goodwill and momentum they built from last season and the only thing I here about Minnesota is that it's where the Big Ten Commish is hiding out. If they're content to sit this one out we've gotten enough of that out here in the Pac 12.In one of the early pressers after camp was supposed to start, Fleck stated that everyone on the team, to a man, agreed with the decision to postpone.
Man this looks like a concerted effort by the Universities to throw Kevin Warren under the bus because of their own decision--that they regret now that their boosters and fans are in revolt.
I don't for a second believe that this was all a plot by Warren to cancel fall sports overruling 14 University President's wishes, ramming it down their throats. But now that they have buyer's remorse on their own decision, they need a fall guy.
In one of the early pressers after camp was supposed to start, Fleck stated that everyone on the team, to a man, agreed with the decision to postpone.
His job is to be the fall guy, and he is paid handsomely to be the fall guy, so why shouldn't he be the guy that takes the fall?That's a fair point.
That's a fair point.They aren't doing him many favors in how inconsistent they are being. Though also, it's still very early in the process and too early for final judgments.
I just think the story being built up around his fall is BS.
If the kids want to play, and their parents want them to play, and their coaches want to coach...If liability could be alleviated, that would do it, except for school Presidents and the ADs (who probably want to play $$$$).
WHEN
The lingering issues would be generating a schedule and then managing IF some team comes down with it.
That's a fair point.If for nothing else, he should get canned for being blind to the optics of allowing his son to play while denying that choice to hundreds of other parents and their sons.
I just think the story being built up around his fall is BS.
It is not just a Georgia State player, an Indiana player also contracted myocarditis from COVID-19, and NCAA football teams barely started practice. What will this look like after dozens of practices, guys in close proximity in the locker room and shower, guys hooting and hollering during practice, team huddles as the coach speaks at the close of practice, and players exerting themselves in close proximity, after 4-games are played? We just had a man die in our rural county 2-weeks before he was to have retired from COVID-19. I don't think we can pretend these times are normal, and carry on as if they were normal times.There was an article about this on 11 Warriors last week written by Sports Medicine Physician in Dayton Ohio. It was very interesting:
I doubt that nonathlete students are any more at risk than college football players. This virus spreads when humans are in close contact with each other. Notre Dame started with in-person learning, and shortly thereafterwent to remote learning, and now they have so many positive tests with football players they suspended practice. They are going to play. How?
I think people are banking that football is played and it's some backup linebacker for Iowa State that dies and not a name player.We heard you the first ten thousand times.
Which, of course, is disgusting.
What if an older coach contracts it and dies, or survives with issues?it was his choice to do what he loves to do with added risk
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data)this is also disgusting
Since 2/1/2020
Male - 15-24 years
Influenza Deaths - 27
If for nothing else, he should get canned for being blind to the optics of allowing his son to play while denying that choice to hundreds of other parents and their sons.The original story wasn't that Kevin Warren denied that choice to hundreds of other parents. The original story was that the University Presidents made that decision.
The original story wasn't that Kevin Warren denied that choice to hundreds of other parents. The original story was that the University Presidents made that decision.That seems pretty accurate. I am not sure if the presidents are just wanting to take the pressure off of themselves because it’s Much higher than they all probably thought it would be and it’s just falling on Warren or if that’s intentional.
Now the University Presidents are getting blowback, so they're changing the story to pin it all on Big Bad Warren.
That seems pretty accurate. I am not sure if the presidents are just wanting to take the pressure off of themselves because it’s Much higher than they all probably thought it would be and it’s just falling on Warren or if that’s intentional.I think it's just natural to fall on Warren.
If an older coach died, it would be a huge media story, which often elicits reactions.some group could react with a petition to be signed by enough folks to put older coaches in a bubble
I'm OK with the new commish taking the fall
he obviously did NOT handle this well a Tall
In one of the early pressers after camp was supposed to start, Fleck stated that everyone on the team, to a man, agreed with the decision to postpone.
They will claim another national championship.
So what should this fairly tell me about Minnesota football in light of the Big Ten's bigger guns voicing opposition against sticking to the sidelines like the Pac 12 is content doing all season? Minnesota played like a conference big boy last season, showing swagger, moxy, and a determination against the traditional powers. But come another chance to stand with the big boys it looks like Minnesota is opting to fall back in line with Illinois, Indiana, etc.
You're not big time unless you throw a fit.
So what should this fairly tell me about Minnesota football in light of the Big Ten's bigger guns voicing opposition against sticking to the sidelines like the Pac 12 is content doing all season? Minnesota played like a conference big boy last season, showing swagger, moxy, and a determination against the traditional powers. But come another chance to stand with the big boys it looks like Minnesota is opting to fall back in line with Illinois, Indiana, etc.
Utah finished up week 2 of HS FB. With fans.You're really smart.
So far no one has keeled over dead.
You're really smart.
So, I'm guessing this is going to give it a go, right? The SEC et al. are kind of dug in now. I suppose some massive outbreak early could divert them from starting.
I have not read (yet) of an outbreak, or even a one off. I don't know the rate of test false positives, really, with whatever test they are using. You have 120 or so players trainers coaches etc. A one percent FP rate ...
And that's if no one contracts it.
So, is this a go?
Nah. Cases will inevitably rise at all universities, some football players will get caught up in that, and that'll put the final nail in the coffin. It's still 3 weeks away from the ACC's start date, and both UNC and NCSU have abandoned on-campus school due to a rise in cases. Many more will follow in the coming weeks.I don’t know all this to be true, but I really, really think it’s the case.
And we're 5 weeks away from B12 and SEC start dates, which is plenty of time for the case numbers to rise at all member universities and torpedo any chances of a season.
But looking at the unhappiness with what has happened in the B1G, the conference commissioners of the ACC, SEC, and B12 will wait until the very last moment to cancel, in an attempt to show the public "Hey, we tried as hard as we could." I think that was the real problem with the way the B1G handled it, there was simply no reason to make the decision to cancel at the time they did. They could have kept on kicking the can down the road, same as the other 3 conferences still entertaining the idea of football. They made a premature announcement when there was no need to do so.
I don’t know all this to be true, but I really, really think it’s the case.Yeah, this is obviously just my opinion. It's how I see it playing out. And I could absolutely be wrong. In fact I hope I am, I hope we get to September 26th and things are looking good at B12 schools and they decide they can play. I'd love that. I just don't see it happening.
The thing is there’s some minimum number where it starts looking weird. My assumption is the academically inclined part of the ACC gets cold feet, and if you lose the ACC, it’s unlikely the rest stay with it.
I think we're in agreement. I merely note the SEC has sort of dug into its position, so it may be more recalcitrant to reverse course.
I lean to thinking some games will be played.
It was a clear divide, with the four helmet coaches making noise, and the rest tucking tail.
But even Purdue fought against losing the football season, albeit without making the noise Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State have.Really?
But even Purdue fought against losing the football season, albeit without making the noise Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State have.This seems like reading a lot into this.
What I'm getting at is look at the context. University of Minnesota canceled their stadium security contracts with the Minneapolis PD after Floyd's death. And Minnesota's governor is particularly adamant about keeping the state closed. Maybe the Gophers are taking the posture of ducking out because they just don't have the environment or willpower from the public in place to be as ready for football? This is exactly the case out West. And speaking of ducking out, wouldn't you know rumor has it Minnesota is apparently where Kevin Warren is hiding out like the Dalton Gang did in western Kansas?
If I'm Fleck this is my cue to look for another job to include lateral moves.
The original story wasn't that Kevin Warren denied that choice to hundreds of other parents. The original story was that the University Presidents made that decision.https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2020/08/116015/ohio-state-football-every-big-ten-athletic-director-wanted-a-fall-season-michigans-aidan-hutchinson-wants-one-more-shot
Now the University Presidents are getting blowback, so they're changing the story to pin it all on Big Bad Warren.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2020/08/116015/ohio-state-football-every-big-ten-athletic-director-wanted-a-fall-season-michigans-aidan-hutchinson-wants-one-more-shotI question the logic on that report. While I don't question some of the basic facts, the idea that the AD's and presidents would use Warren as some sort of go between is really odd.
This seems like reading a lot into this.
It was a clear divide, with the four helmet coaches making noise, and the rest tucking tail.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2020/08/116015/ohio-state-football-every-big-ten-athletic-director-wanted-a-fall-season-michigans-aidan-hutchinson-wants-one-more-shot
I question the logic on that report. While I don't question some of the basic facts, the idea that the AD's and presidents would use Warren as some sort of go between is really odd.You know what is missing from any report I've seen on this so far?
Again, it sounds more likely to me that Warren went into that meeting, told the Presidents that every AD wanted to play, and the Presidents were like "well it's our reputations on the line, the ADs aren't making the decision" and postponed it. And now everyone is throwing Warren under the bus as the bad guy because he's expendable.
That is a very good question.
So if that's the case why isn't Kevin Warren defending himself? He's in position to use the media to his advantage. Instead he's hiding out in Minnesota and digging a hole with any further statements he makes.
Ha, a chance for dialog, with no chance to change anything.Like a town hall with a candidate
Sign me up.
Not.
So the Ivy League, the Big Ten, and Vanderbilt aren't in on this. And it's a bad idea?I don’t think it’s elitist. It’s an educated and informed opinion. And, it may prove to be where every league ends up. I respect it.
Call me intellectually elitist all you want, but I'm siding with them.
Parent complaints can be written off, especially after a small turnout Friday, but their concerns are shared by the majority of people inside Big Ten programs ESPN has interviewed during the past few weeks. That's a problem for Warren and the league, especially if the bad feelings continue to fester.
"Been in this league for 20-plus years," a league source told ESPN. "This has been embarrassing."
"Everyone is furious," added another source. "Not the way it has ever gone down. And the ramifications are staggering."
The public criticism is highly unusual for the 124-year-old conference, whose members pride themselves on unity and keeping disagreements in-house. Former commissioner Jim Delany, who stepped down Jan. 1 after 30 years leading the league, made pioneering and, at times, unpopular moves -- football division names "Legends" and "Leaders" flopped badly, and many people still aren't wild about expansion additions Maryland and Rutgers. Still, the Big Ten has rarely exposed such wounds publicly.
...
As one Big Ten coach told ESPN, "We're just left in the dark. Why wouldn't you communicate? Why wouldn't you respond? I don't get it. Something's just off."
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1297975709000925189?s=19
Technically, the push from the parents and coaches is this week's Twitter outcry. The anti-hate/anti-racism like 3-4 weeks ago.
“...Kevin Warren is having right now with more than 100 Big Ten athletes, coaches and administrators was a regularly scheduled call for the league's Anti-Hate and Anti-Racism Coalition.”
Was there any discussion anything about the aborted football season? At this point pessimism is getting the best of me, but is Kevin Warren’s salary for his oversight of an athletic conference or more for addressing the week’s latest outcry on twitter?
So the Ivy League, the Big Ten, and Vanderbilt aren't in on this. And it's a bad idea?
Call me intellectually elitist all you want, but I'm siding with them.
566-141. Even without football, Alabama is still blowing teams out.
Bill Moos is holding out hope that an autumn “spring game” will be allowed, and he says the postponed season is likely to consist of no more than seven or eight games.That could well be more games than the official fall season ends up with.
There's Afro mis-representing facts again.I wasn't misrepresenting anything (again).
"Vandy has suspended practice on Friday for a small outbreak, and is eager to resume practice once protocols are met."
"Yep dee done canceled duh season cause 16 undergrads hearts exploded while sniffing duh corona." Afro Probably
https://twitter.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/1298648411617583105?s=20Didn't a Syracuse LB have 6 or 7 years because he kept getting hurt? Conley maybe?
Didn't a Syracuse LB have 6 or 7 years because he kept getting hurt? Conley maybe?MSU had a 6th year LB a couple years back. After 2 torn ACLs, he wasn't a very good 6th year LB.
MSU had a 6th year LB a couple years back. After 2 torn ACLs, he wasn't a very good 6th year LB.This article about a Texas Tech player (who apparently didn't) potentially seeking to be the first 8 year player, states that he was the fifth 7 year waiver, but doesn't say who the first four were.
This is the rare 7th year chance, but it's weird that 4 seasons will be AFTER being a grad transfer.
I want to say Virginia had a 7 year guy a ways back, due to cancer
I wasn't misrepresenting anything (again).
If you knew the recent history of Vanderbilt football (aside from all of the losing), you'd understand.
So the Ivy League, the Big Ten, and Vanderbilt aren't in on this. And it's a bad idea?
Call me intellectually elitist all you want, but I'm siding with them.
You claimed Vanderbilt wasn't in on Football 2020, like the Ivy League and Big Ten.It was all about the timing. But you assume the worst from me, so that's fun. Thanks for your contribution. The smart people are still holding out, and that's permanent.
I provided you the quote to show you were wrong.
Vanderbilt resumed practice this morning. You were wrong.
It's not debatable, it's not open to discussion, You were wrong.
Maybe in the future they will cancel the season, but to claim suspending 3 practices to follow pandemic protocol is the same as canceling the season is a misrepresentation or ignorance at best, but most likely flagrant trolling. If you comprehended basic English communication you'd understand.
It was all about the timing. But you assume the worst from me, so that's fun. Thanks for your contribution. The smart people are still holding out, and that's permanent.
It'll be a 3-week season, if that. Then our precious football won't seem so important anymore.
Eight Nebraska players have sued the Big Ten in an effort to reverse the postponement of football and get more clarity about how that decision was made.I saw this. Not sure how that actually works though. The B1G doesn't have a contract with the Nebraska players, it has a contract with The University of Nebraska.
I saw this. Not sure how that actually works though. The B1G doesn't have a contract with the Nebraska players, it has a contract with The University of Nebraska.
Seems like UNL should be the one to sue the B1G, and if they do not desire to do so, then the players should sue UNL?
But I'm no attorney. I wish Pirates Roost were still around. Did he ever even follow over to this current incarnation?
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Kentucky-football-Mark-Stoops-social-protest-150761414/?fbclid=IwAR3MAGg6mHkhzMHFl1tnEprUEhcUFyv8Kqq0gbHYP429c9_E3VZ3edPGLDE (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Kentucky-football-Mark-Stoops-social-protest-150761414/?fbclid=IwAR3MAGg6mHkhzMHFl1tnEprUEhcUFyv8Kqq0gbHYP429c9_E3VZ3edPGLDE)That's pretty poor writing there.
That's pretty poor writing there.Eh. Nobody reads past the headline anyway. They just share the article on social media based on what the headline makes them think the article says.
Somebody named "Stoops" appears in the 3rd paragraph without a previous mention of his first name or of his connection to the UK football program.
But copy editors disappeared some time ago, so nobody checks to see if the writing is any good.
That's pretty poor writing there.
Somebody named "Stoops" appears in the 3rd paragraph without a previous mention of his first name or of his connection to the UK football program.
But copy editors disappeared some time ago, so nobody checks to see if the writing is any good.
Milwaukee JS reporting BIG considering 8 game season to begin at or after Thanksgiving.I think I get the motivation here, to play. Now that the NCAA gave everyone a free year of eligibility... you know. 25 extra scholarships...
Let me rephrase, a trial balloon is out here from people who choose to be anonymous
Even if every team started with no cases (which is false), the season would crash within 3 weeks. Just scratch it all. Same with baseball - even if it begins well, it's all going to go sideways.Baseball seems to be muddling along, perhaps better than expected.
More petitionsIf we did a shortened season, where we had a home and home with the Pac 12, followed by division round robin (8 games total), with a CCG, and then a Rose Bowl vs. the Pac 12 champ, I'd be cool with that.
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1299131474243989505?s=19
https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1299385264758980610?s=19so, it takes a minimum of 13 weeks to get teams back on campus and ready to play a game?
They might gin up a "provisional season" starting late October or something and then make another call depending on what happens elsewhere.
I can't say I have the slightest idea of how the B1G is making decisions on this. I feel like a rudimentary review of what the experts say would suggest if you want to play, either play now, or play in the spring. Scheduling for the height of flu season seems, well, stupid.
All I know is I am watching a really good high school football game right now. It’s funny how they can figure it out for high schools but not for the Big TenHigh schools would truly figure it out if they tested at least 2x per week. There is no additional tests at the high school level. I suspect we will know more in four weeks.
Austin Peay!I watched just a few minutes. There were few fans. Are they allowing family, or how is it being done? FCS has some good quality football.
I gotta be honest - I thought football with no crowds would be difficult to watch...but it's definitely not.Agree Sam. I enjoyed that game immensely.
I gotta be honest - I thought football with no crowds would be difficult to watch...but it's definitely not.
”Let’s get straight to the point: If the ACC, Big 12 and SEC play football this year, finish the season and crown a national champion, the Big Ten (and Pac-12) will have made the biggest blunder in sports history in its decision to not play. . . ."Hyperbole.
Bucknuts not holding back on Kevin Warren making worst decision in sports history: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Big-Ten-Kevin-Warren-on-brink-of-biggest-blunder-in-sports-history-canceling-football-season-150741698/The bolded part.
”Let’s get straight to the point: If the ACC, Big 12 and SEC play football this year, finish the season and crown a national champion, the Big Ten (and Pac-12) will have made the biggest blunder in sports history in its decision to not play. You are going to be shocked to find out that sportswriters tend to be hyperbolic in columns, but I believe the above statement is unmistakably true. If Ohio State and the rest of the conference are sitting around watching the likes of Alabama and Clemson play each Saturday — and eventually compete in the College Football Playoff — when the Buckeyes and others were told they could not play due to coronavirus concerns, it will go down as the largest mistake ever made in sports.”
“Adding to the futility of Warren’s leadership is the fact that the medical report that the Big Ten cited as its main reason for calling off the season (that coronavirus can cause the heart condition myocarditis, or make it exponentially worse) has since been retracted. This was after a University of Michigan doctor said the report was filled with disputed medical claims.“
I'm obviously not very sanguine about the prospects. It seems almost a given that some teams will get devastated and not be able to compete. Imagine Clemson comes up with 15 starters out and loses a bunch of games ....This is from June 29. I have not revised my opinion other than to observe that "they" seem serious about starting.
Well, they could probably win the ACC with their twos.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/16-auburn-players-sidelined-by-the-coronavirus/7U5FA6NWRVFDXGIY5W2552MOMU/ (https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/16-auburn-players-sidelined-by-the-coronavirus/7U5FA6NWRVFDXGIY5W2552MOMU/)A small clarification that practice restarts without them. They lost a week of practice for either protest or social justice moments.
Auburn outbreak. Practice continues without them.
A small clarification that practice restarts without them. They lost a week of practice for either protest or social justice moments.
That would be consistent with Alabama's schoolwide policy, unless something has changed in the past 2-3 days.
SEC coaches will figure out that they won’t have to answer questions if they explain away roster holes as players protesting rather than players quarantining. And I wouldn’t put it past programs like Alabama to passively allow the bug to make its way around the entire roster while hoping for a herd immunity.
That would be consistent with Alabama's schoolwide policy, unless something has changed in the past 2-3 days.And consistent with Alabama's state-wide policy of ignoring science.
And consistent with Alabama's state-wide policy of ignoring science.Statewide? Everyone in the state? Or just policy makers, every one of them?
What does postponing mean exactly? The SEC postponed their season also.The article was confirmation of the worst kept secret in the Big Ten. OSU, Neb, and Iowa where the 3 schools that voted against cancelling the fall season.
The article was confirmation of the worst kept secret in the Big Ten. OSU, Neb, and Iowa where the 3 schools that voted against cancelling the fall season.I thought the conspiracy theory was that there was never a vote at all; it was just Warren making the decision over 14 weak-willed and completely incompetent university presidents who clearly couldn't compete in a discussion with a dumb jock.
The other 11, voted to character assassinate Kevin Warren. It's old news, brought to light, and confirming the 11 schools that voted to move the season to spring.
I thought the conspiracy theory was that there was never a vote at all; it was just Warren making the decision over 14 weak-willed and completely incompetent university presidents who clearly couldn't compete in a discussion with a dumb jock.Correct. This kills that theory.
I thought the conspiracy theory was that there was never a vote at all; it was just Warren making the decision over 14 weak-willed and completely incompetent university presidents who clearly couldn't compete in a discussion with a dumb jock.That theory was fun. Deeply silly and not so believable, but fun.
I thought the conspiracy theory was that there was never a vote at all; it was just Warren making the decision over 14 weak-willed and completely incompetent university presidents who clearly couldn't compete in a discussion with a dumb jock.Well... We can still hang our hats that Warren brought the outdated, elderly demographic, research stating the players hearts would explode; thus directing the weak-willed vote his way. 😈
That theory was fun. Deeply silly and not so believable, but fun.Actually... I just figured it out.
Maybe let's keep this thread clean. It's already been shit in enough.I'm old enough to remember when it fairly easy to avoid politics when talking football
Actually... I just figured it out.I think that's a tad overcomplicated.
It seems a lot of Buckeyes were pushing the theory that it was all Warren's fault. But coincidentally, that was when we thought that the vote was 12-2 and the only ones voting to keep the season were Nebraska and Iowa.
So when they thought it was their own President that voted to cancel/postpone the season, then the vote must not have taken place and it was all Warren's fault.
Now that it comes out it was 11-3 and OSU voted to keep the season, they no longer need to blame Warren--they can blame the rest of the B1G for ruining their chance at the CFP. Warren's off the hook not because of anything he did [or didn't do], but because now they don't have to blame their own President for going against them.
very liberal admins that are very conservative about their risk of a law suitYep (probably?). I'm never sure where to guess the politics of admins.
Yep (probably?). I'm never sure where to guess the politics of admins.Pretty sure I can identify on which side Purdue's president falls lol :57:
It would be ironic if the B1G comes up with a plan to start say Oct. 10 and starts forward, and then around October 1, the SEC et al. shut it down.Heh, no doubt. Gonna be interesting, IF any of the major conferences actually get the season off the ground at all.
Pretty sure I can identify on which side Purdue's president falls lol :57:Just very well played.
It would be ironic if the B1G comes up with a plan to start say Oct. 10 and starts forward, and then around October 1, the SEC et al. shut it down.Only the death of a player everyone's heard of would stop the SEC, I fear.
Maybe let's keep this thread clean. It's already been shit in enough.Ya but this time by the President - he prolly got wind of us.If Warren mentioned those things or agreed with them I would clarify/distance if I was him
Maybe let's keep this thread clean. It's already been shit in enough.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1301240157664874496?s=19This is too hilarous.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/mark-bradley-blog/uga-needs-a-qb-i-know-a-qb-who-needs-a-team/X6YETARHTZG4FHRE5XHRJDCW4A/ (https://www.ajc.com/sports/mark-bradley-blog/uga-needs-a-qb-i-know-a-qb-who-needs-a-team/X6YETARHTZG4FHRE5XHRJDCW4A/)
So, now the "ridiculous" rumor department has Justin Fields transferring back to a team that has no QB of note ...
...which is in itself a ridiculous statement because JT Daniels just transferred to Georgia but don't tell anybody he's already built a sturdy injury history, was beat out by a freshman, and was extra hyped by playing at a high pedigree high school program filled with future CFB stars.Daniels is not yet cleared for contact. They have a fifth year senior who has looked "OK' when he's played, and they might go with him as the lowest risk option initially.
You know, if the B1G would just be more transparent in whatever the hell they are doing, we'd avoid stuff like this.
https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/1301644428025540608?s=20
https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1301726373158039553?s=20Any of those sources named?
My guess is every single AD/coach wants to play. The question is how many Presidents do, and what the power structure is. Do any Presidents actually think this is a good idea, or are the ones who vote yes just the ones who are neutered by their athletic department.
I really hate social media...It's an interesting case. Here's the thing Penn State's director of athletic medicine said.
Parth Tweets out that PSU medical director Sebastianelli claims 35% of B1G athletes who had Covid now have myocarditis. (Orange Asperger Man has his wet dream.)
Sebastianelli comes out later to say that's not right he was referencing a paper that has since retracted its theoretical numbers down to 15%. (OAM and other doom slayers still liking the negative news.)
Sebastianelli next reports that actual numbers are in fact zero. That's quite the jump from 1/3 of the athletes, to none of the athletes. But too late social media doom slayers all over that first number.
I really hate social media...Please stop. I do not WANT bad things to happen.
Parth Tweets out that PSU medical director Sebastianelli claims 35% of B1G athletes who had Covid now have myocarditis. (Orange Asperger Man has his wet dream.)
Looks like Michigan might be the biggest problem with the Big ten starting back upI blamed Michigan weeks ago
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-wolverines-mark-schlissel-stands-in-the-way-big-ten-football-2020-season-jim-harbaugh (https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-wolverines-mark-schlissel-stands-in-the-way-big-ten-football-2020-season-jim-harbaugh)
https://www.worldtribune.com/report-michigans-whitmer-the-one-roadblock-holding-up-big-ten-football-season/ (https://www.worldtribune.com/report-michigans-whitmer-the-one-roadblock-holding-up-big-ten-football-season/)
https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/research-raises-concerns-of-covid-19-link-to-myocarditis (https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/research-raises-concerns-of-covid-19-link-to-myocarditis)Myocarditis has been linked to viruses/infections for decades.
Adjusted down to 15%, still a very scary figure.
Well, we ARE having a "season" already, of sorts, so the question is answered, at least partially.Can't speak for the SEC.
Is there any clear indication that SEC et al. will NOT start their season on schedule?
https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1301726373158039553?s=20This made for a nice tweet. Did anyone report if it happened?
My guess is every single AD/coach wants to play. The question is how many Presidents do, and what the power structure is. Do any Presidents actually think this is a good idea, or are the ones who vote yes just the ones who are neutered by their athletic department.
Political leaders from six states sent a letter Tuesday to Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and the league's presidents and chancellors, urging the conference to reconsider its postponement of the 2020 football season.Why didn't Nebraska sign it?
Lee Chatfield, speaker of Michigan's House of Representatives, wrote the letter, which is signed by nine other senate and house leaders from Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. All 10 lawmakers who signed the letter are Republicans, and the six states they represent include seven Big Ten schools. The Big Ten announced Aug. 11 that it would postpone the fall sports season, including football, because of concerns around the coronavirus pandemic. The league's council of presidents/chancellors voted 11-3 to postpone, with only Ohio State, Nebraska and Iowa electing to proceed with the fall season, sources told ESPN.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1303492869395808259?s=19
California University of Pennsylvania???
had no idea
had to search the web
learn something every day
Condolences to his family and friends. 20 year old's aren't suppose to die, and not like this.I'm just adding stuff I see that seems relevant to whether and how the season would be played. Certainly this is probably being discussed around the B1G offices.
Perhaps it was just me reading too much into the title, but I read this as a person died of Covid because they played football. But his death wasn't wasn't football related. "The school was not playing football this fall with COVID-19 health concerns forcing sports to be halted by the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference."
I'm just adding stuff I see that seems relevant to whether and how the season would be played. Certainly this is probably being discussed around the B1G offices.Yep, and the main reason why they decided not to play, imo. If a school is playing and a player dies it will automatically be assumed he caught it and died as a result of playing football, and then someone will be held responsible for his death.
My GUESS if football players will be warned repeatedly and isolated in their dorm versus regular students who likely will be more likely to catch it, I think.
You have the odds of being infected times the odds of dying from it, pretty low odds, until you multiply by however many players and coaches are playing.
Coaches of course are at higher risk.
Yep, and the main reason why they decided not to play, imo. If a school is playing and a player dies it will automatically be assumed he caught it and died as a result of playing football, and then someone will be held responsible for his death.Exactly. I've been saying all along that the university Presidents who made that vote were thinking of their own school's reputations. If they are responsible for putting that player on the field and he dies, they get blamed. If it happens completely unrelated to football, they do not.
My GUESS if football players will be warned repeatedly and isolated in their dorm versus regular students who likely will be more likely to catch it, I think.What I took away from that is that a 20 year old athlete, presumably in the lowest risk group, died from COVID complications.
You have the odds of being infected times the odds of dying from it, pretty low odds, until you multiply by however many players and coaches are playing.
Coaches of course are at higher risk.
When playing the numbers game, I have a real hard time coming up with how 115~ish (on OSU's sideline) mostly quarantined people play a weekly game against 115~ish other mostly quarantined people is even remotely close to 115~ish not quarantined people (skipping the weekly game) and instead interacting with 60kish (OSU on campus population) not quarantined people on a daily basis?Why is it all or nothing?
(Both the amount of people they will be interacting with and the frequency of the interactions exponentially increase when not playing football. ie the chance of infection also exponentially increases.)
Add in they go from having daily wellness/temp checks, to having none.
Getting Covid tested 1-3 times a week, to not getting tested.
If a serious condition should arise; having immediate access to the best medical facilities, to waiting for hours/days for local care.
Having 20-60 structured hours in a safe environment, to being left to their own devices in the wild.
I'm still firmly in the camp that they are much, much safer (from covid) playing the game than not.
Exactly. I've been saying all along that the university Presidents who made that vote were thinking of their own school's reputations. If they are responsible for putting that player on the field and he dies, they get blamed. If it happens completely unrelated to football, they do not.
What I took away from that is that a 20 year old athlete, presumably in the lowest risk group, died from COVID complications.
Of course, he was a 355 lb lineman. Which he was, according to any BMI calculator you look at, grossly obese. But still athletic enough to play football, so clearly he wasn't "out of shape".
Does this mean that linemen and other high-BMI positions are at high risk despite being world-class athletes? I'm not sure, but it's something I've worried about. The IU lineman also had lasting complications but thankfully didn't die.
Why is it all or nothing?
In the offseason (but still on campus) do Ohio State football players get no support from the university, have "minders" to make sure they're completing their classes, have the training table, have access to the weight room and athletic facilities, have access to the same health facilities they have during the season, etc?
It's a false choice. These universities are already paying their scholarship, room and board, meals, etc. It's not like they are going to kick them to the curb just because the season is postponed.
I'm still firmly in the camp that they are much, much safer (from covid) playing the game than not.
Yep, and the main reason why they decided not to play, imo. If a school is playing and a player dies it will automatically be assumed he caught it and died as a result of playing football, and then someone will be held responsible for his death.It could easily be argued that Jamain Stephens Jr. would still be alive if he were playing football.
Just depends. Some universities are shutting down entirely and sending on-campus kids home. Many of the off-campus kids end up going home, too, since all of their classes are online and can be taken remotely from anywhere. Are all football programs with completely remote learning and no on-campus living allowed, going to be allowed to provide on-campus living, training tables, medical attention, and handlers, when all of the other kids have been booted off campus?Where the false choice is presented is that it's ONLY presented as a binary option--at least by those arguing that we must have a season.
Some might, some likely will not.
So I don't think it's a completely false choice. We have no idea how EVERY university and EVERY football program will react to the circumstances when all on-campus and in-person interactions are canceled.
It could easily be argued that Jamain Stephens Jr. would still be alive if he were playing football.Good luck arguing that one in court, counselor.
Perhaps the university should be held accountable for the decision?
Yep, and the main reason why they decided not to play, imo. If a school is playing and a player dies it will automatically be assumed he caught it and died as a result of playing football, and then someone will be held responsible for his death.Not proven responsible, but it would be a thing.
Not proven responsible, but it would be a thing.Yeah, I think that's why he said "held responsible." It would definitely be a thing. The press would make sure of it.
It could easily be argued that Jamain Stephens Jr. would still be alive if he were playing football.Could be argued, but the beauty of counterfactuals is they have no real answers. Maybe if he played he would've been hit by a bus.
Perhaps the university should be held accountable for the decision?
Yeah, I think that's why he said "held responsible." It would definitely be a thing. The press would make sure of it.Some would. And people would read that because we read things that generate strong emotions.
Some would. And people would read that because we read things that generate strong emotions.Fox and others even further right are the only ones that wouldn't run with that story.
Fox and others even further right are the only ones that wouldn't run with that story.I mean, many would say "A college football player has died in the care of the university." The group out there shrieking that it's the team's responsibility would likely be smaller, but it takes a smaller group in an extremely large media sphere to draw attention.
(https://external.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxZBgwltTVHwWh&w=500&h=261&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FEhXTS2MU4AEIs5f.jpg%3Alarge&cfs=1&ext=jpg&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQCueBwvda1yJdZi)Why is Ga. Southern so big?
The Big Ten is at an advantage if it defers decision-making for 3-weeks, as it will have the opportunity to see how the coronavirus spreads and affects the guinea pig schools that are playing and testing regularly.Heh, and here I guessed they would "return to business" about a week before the SEC has to shut down, but I'm an optimist.
We can't learn much information from high schools that do not have funded and regular testing protocols.
the Big Ten should have taken that advantage early on and deferred their decisionYeah, it was silly. There was just no need at all, to make a decision about it back on August 13th or whatever it was.
instead of announcing a decision and then retracting it
Btw I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but I'm not 1000 percent certain the B1G survives this. I dunno - I keep looking for some sign of unity and I ain't seeing it.OSU to the SEC? That's be interesting.
https://twitter.com/11W/status/1303828760035295234?s=19So they can spend either public or department monies to get bogged down in court to get some monies, maybe? That'd be a choice, I guess.
OSU to the SEC? That's be interesting.Well (1) hurt feelings can cause a lot of of knee jerk decisions.
Otherwise, no one is dropping out of the B1G payday and paying up for the privilege.
But that third way is never discussed by the people who argue it's safer for them to play. They don't argue it's safer for them to be on campus receiving support. They argue it's safer for them to play.
OSU to the SEC? That's be interesting.
Otherwise, no one is dropping out of the B1G payday and paying up for the privilege.
I don't understand schools like Utah that have furloughed their entire athletic department.They're not furloughed long term. They just have to take furloughs. Some are really long term, but most seem to be in the 1-2 week variety, in which case, you stagger them.
How is the football program going to do their fall HS recruiting if they're furloughed?
Well (1) hurt feelings can cause a lot of of knee jerk decisions.If hurt feelings are the driving factor, well, that's just an unfortunate state of affairs.
(2) The money spigot may be in rough shape with the nature of cable and television these days. If you are OSU could you make more money in a union with other giant programs or in a union with Rutgers?
What pay day? if your not playing, your not getting paid.Sure. If the Big Ten doesn't play football forever more, you're not.
I've not heard that athletic department medical staff are not working. I'd guess Frost is making use of all 12 hours a week permitted by the NCAA. If the team is participating in 12 hours of practice each week, I'd guess medical staff is working with players and players could be getting tested for the virus. Heck, many on campus students that are not athletes are getting tested.
OSU is now having voluntary workouts, that NCAA says they can't have supervision; so no medical staff to take daily wellness checks. That's a statement of fact.
If they are not playing, they don't get routine covid tested. That's a statement of fact.
If they are not playing, they are only allowed to have 12 hours of supervised practice, anything more than that is an NCAA violation. That is a statement of fact.
They are no longer semi-quarantined and in a structured, monitored environment; they don't get access to on site medical staff. Whether at home or on campus, they have to go through the same channels the rest of the populace does. This is a statement of fact.
Because the vast majority of us do not utilize free time nearly as efficient as we do structured time. Being left to decide how we spend our day is more likely to lead to exposure than staying in a structure environment. This is a statement of opinion, but one shared by many others.
How does the broke athletic department justify paying for the services that they can't justify providing to the rest of the student population? I'd love to have that 3rd option, and I'd for that 3rd option to be available to my loved ones, and even you guys on the forum. But's it's Neverland. If they are not playing they no longer get (as) special treatment.
Because the 3rd isn't a viable option.OSU isn't allowed to cry poor.
OSU is now having voluntary workouts, that NCAA says they can't have supervision; so no medical staff to take daily wellness checks. That's a statement of fact.
If they are not playing, they don't get routine covid tested. That's a statement of fact.
If they are not playing, they are only allowed to have 12 hours of supervised practice, anything more than that is an NCAA violation. That is a statement of fact.
They are no longer semi-quarantined and in a structured, monitored environment; they don't get access to on site medical staff. Whether at home or on campus, they have to go through the same channels the rest of the populace does. This is a statement of fact.
Because the vast majority of us do not utilize free time nearly as efficient as we do structured time. Being left to decide how we spend our day is more likely to lead to exposure than staying in a structure environment. This is a statement of opinion, but one shared by many others.
How does the broke athletic department justify paying for the services that they can't justify providing to the rest of the student population? I'd love to have that 3rd option, and I'd for that 3rd option to be available to my loved ones, and even you guys on the forum. But's it's Neverland. If they are not playing they no longer get (as) special treatment.
There will not be a season.Huh? Season has already begun. Horns play on Saturday.
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-mens-hockey-on-2-week-pause-due-to-covid-19-test-results/article_5a4b663f-842d-50a2-ae57-cd43fded50a0.html#tracking-source=home-trending (https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-mens-hockey-on-2-week-pause-due-to-covid-19-test-results/article_5a4b663f-842d-50a2-ae57-cd43fded50a0.html#tracking-source=home-trending)
Huh? Season has already begun. Horns play on Saturday.On which network?
Hook 'em! :)
On which network?No idea, probably LHN or ESPN?
Is it really a season? No post-season, no NC game. It's a series of scrimmages. What is the plan for fan attendance?Why would you say there's no post-season and no NC game? Right now it's all systems go for both of those things.
LHNNo idea. I don't usually sully myself watching the toothless hordes.
the Cyclones are playing on ESPN
Sooners not televised?
Politics. It’s going to set our conference back 5-7 years.I don't think it's that dramatic. The short term is going to be rough, but it's going to be rough for everyone. Even schools that are attempting to play football this Fall are making dramatic cuts to their athletic departments.
LHNmaybe they arent woke enough
the Cyclones are playing on ESPN
Sooners not televised?
https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1304219216091000835?s=19
https://twitter.com/Wil__Hunter/status/1304209728655044609?s=19
Week 5 of Utah HS FB tonight, with no signs of slowing down or limiting crowd size. Same goes for the rest of their Fall sports.Any spread or fallout from any of that, amongst players or coaches or other personnel involved?
Any spread or fallout from any of that, amongst players or coaches or other personnel involved?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/utah/
The most popular guess in the voting (tied) has obviously not been correct as we started the season. Some of the other guesses overlap obviously, not a very good poll.It's an election year, bad polling happens
I think I voted for the Saharan dust storm...Still in with a shot ...
Even if every team started with no cases (which is false), the season would crash within 3 weeks. Just scratch it all. Same with baseball - even if it begins well, it's all going to go sideways.I didn't disagree at the time, but it now appears baseball will be "OK", apparently.
Didn’t vote. Best guess- there will be a reduced season - maybe conference games only- with no fans.Pretty good shot from late June...
My thinking has morphed the past week. I am of the opinion college presidents will delay the season until spring in the hope a vaccine will be available.
I suspect the season will not be delayed until after regular football practices start, and the problems of playing football during a pandemic become more directly apparent. Here is an opinion piece on this topic from the Louisville Courier Journal: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/07/06/college-football-2020-sports-feasibility-question-due-covid/5380335002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/07/06/college-football-2020-sports-feasibility-question-due-covid/5380335002/)
The writer quotes a computer sciences professor, rather than an epidemiologist, but what the professor says makes sense: "University of Illinois computer science professor Sheldon Jacobson has told CBS Sports to expect a 30-50% infection rate among the Football Bowl Subdivision’s 13,000 players, with between three and seven deaths attributable to COVID-19."
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Vanderbilt-football-will-start-season-with-no-fans-at-games-COVID-19-151326062/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR3AKH_1VVnQMRVDZOm2Hxjlf0O06ilrbdLYpQNPgH2OQCTMrZN4mtNPjvk (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Vanderbilt-football-will-start-season-with-no-fans-at-games-COVID-19-151326062/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR3AKH_1VVnQMRVDZOm2Hxjlf0O06ilrbdLYpQNPgH2OQCTMrZN4mtNPjvk)If this is the end, the last game I attended in person was Nevada at Vandy
Vandy bans fans entirely, all 347.
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Vanderbilt-football-will-start-season-with-no-fans-at-games-COVID-19-151326062/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR3AKH_1VVnQMRVDZOm2Hxjlf0O06ilrbdLYpQNPgH2OQCTMrZN4mtNPjvk (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Vanderbilt-football-will-start-season-with-no-fans-at-games-COVID-19-151326062/?~=1&fbclid=IwAR3AKH_1VVnQMRVDZOm2Hxjlf0O06ilrbdLYpQNPgH2OQCTMrZN4mtNPjvk)I thought of this joke for Miami, actually......no crowd size restrictions = the normal amount of fans show up.
Vandy bans fans entirely, all 347.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I started stating sometime in late July or early August, that I didn't think we'd see football at all. Glad I was wrong, and hope we can continue throughout the season with players staying healthy and safe.Yeah....but no football at all would be better than having it for 3 weeks and then having the resulting fallout from what would cause it to stop.
I think "we" were pretty pessimistic back in June/July, most of us, for good reason, so what we appear to have now is better than expected (so far).I still think I'd prefer a real season in the spring, to whatever this is, which I'm struggling to care about, with no Big Ten.
there was never going to be a real season in the springIf everyone was playing, even all conference games, I could get more on board with this. We have dinner with friends tomorrow, the fact that there are some random ACC games does nothing to move the needle for me. College football is my favorite sport for so many reasons that don't have to do with watching football. Without those things, meh, I'll probably watch MLB and some NFL on Sunday
6 or 7 games maybe - that's not real
Yeah....but no football at all would be better than having it for 3 weeks and then having the resulting fallout from what would cause it to stop.Agree on both counts. If we stop after a handful of games, I'd rather have not started at all.
But I hope that doesn't happen.
if y'all stop after a handful of games, I hope it's for the right reasonsI suppose we'd only stop, if multiple teams had so many cases that too many games had to be canceled, to carry on with anything resembling a real season.
I suppose we'd only stop, if multiple teams had so many cases that too many games had to be canceled, to carry on with anything resembling a real season.exactly, I would hope that the number of cases would be more than 3 or 4 starters such as the QB that may cause a lack of performance.
exactly, I would hope that the number of cases would be more than 3 or 4 starters such as the QB that may cause a lack of performance.I'd be more concerned with it wiping out a whole OL or DL room. If you are just sliding 18 year olds or other position guys into the trenches, you are putting a lot of people at injury risk.
If the 3rd string QB is ready to go, play the dern game
I suppose we'd only stop, if multiple teams had so many cases that too many games had to be canceled, to carry on with anything resembling a real season.I've started to come to the thought that people want what they want and they just don't care what happens afterwards.
I've started to come to the thought that people want what they want and they just don't care what happens afterwards.
Week 5 of Utah HS FB tonight, with no signs of slowing down or limiting crowd size. Same goes for the rest of their Fall sports.
Texas Tech up just 21-13 on Houston Baptist halfway through the 3rd. Kansas down 7-0 to Coastal Carolina early. Good Lord, Big 12.WVU and Texas did alright.
I briefly followed the ribbon playing at the bottom of the screen on ESPN today, and saw quite a few examples of football teams whose seasons are being played having difficulties controlling the virus. We are just one week into the season. If I were voting, I would vote to defer decision two more weeks and see where this thing is going. As I said in a previous post, the Big Ten is at an advantage here. It gets the opportunity to view the results of the guinea pigs that are playing and if it takes advantage of viewing those results the correct answer will come into focus.One thing is for certain watching the Big 12 - don't try and add one off noncon games to warm up for the season
As a young lawyer who litigates, the most difficult thing I had to learn, was to live with a great deal of uncertainty. Living with uncertainty is now part of the job, but it doesn't get much easier with age. Live a few more weeks with uncertainty, and let the young men practice in pads, before we see where this goes. With the pandemic especially present in Iowa, and in Ames and in Iowa City especially, I just do not see how we justify a season, unless the football players are socially distancing and maybe even doing remote learning only.
I briefly followed the ribbon playing at the bottom of the screen on ESPN today, and saw quite a few examples of football teams whose seasons are being played having difficulties controlling the virus. We are just one week into the season. If I were voting, I would vote to defer decision two more weeks and see where this thing is going. As I said in a previous post, the Big Ten is at an advantage here. It gets the opportunity to view the results of the guinea pigs that are playing and if it takes advantage of viewing those results the correct answer will come into focus.I think the Big Ten can do exactly this if they come out of the meeting saying the season "could" start on Oct. 17th.
Some interesting games, better than I figured. GaTech edged Florida State, which probably means the latter is not very good either. A lot of mistakes on both sides, as expected. UNC pulled away from Syracuse, a lot of mistakes on both sides.Yup, I like Mack Brown and am glad to see him doing good things at UNC.
I have to tip the ol' hat to Mack Brown. UNC looks like a football team rather than what I was seeing, arm tacking, woosh tackling, nontackling, under the old regime. Their QB has an arm and some presence. Still spotty on talent elsewhere.
I think the Big Ten can do exactly this if they come out of the meeting saying the season "could" start on Oct. 17th.This is a good way to put it.
Prepare as though your team will play on the 17th. If things go bad in 3 weeks it's easy to cancel
I think the wait 2 weeks, then see strategy is the mistake our country made starting at the end of May.Johns Hopkins has Iowa as #5 per capita in recent cases. Iowa #1 last week. Our rural county continues its spike. I can give more details, but will keep it under wraps, as much as I want to lash out at those responsible. I will say this, a mask is a miniscule inconvenience. Getting shot at and captured by the Japanese or Germans in WW-II, was an infringement on our liberty. We had the greatest generation alive within my memory, and I am not sure what to call the present generation, but we are not great. Think about the people around you.
Set a date, everyone behaves, things look better. The date passes, people get lax, and it all goes to hell.
I think the odds are improving. One reporter, below, is hearing Michigan President Schlissel will change his vote to play. Being an MD hopefully his vote will help others do the right thing.Nothing about changing his decision seems to be related to him being an MD.
(https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelSpathITH)Michael Spath
@MichaelSpathITH
From a source this morning on whether Michigan's president will vote to play football: "He's trying to put out so many fires on campus that he just doesn't have the political capital to deny sports, especially when the blowback was far greater than I think anyone expected."
10:27 AM · Sep 13, 2020 (https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelSpathITH/status/1305151152359645185)
This is a good way to put it.Yup. Granted they could have done this all along. Doing it now involves swallowing their pride, which powerful people tend to be unable to do.
I think at times "we" may underplay the role of government in "saving us from ourselves".I will agree that government helps somewhat in these areas.
We largely have clean water to drink, safe food to eat, cleaner air to breathe, safer and better treatments for medical conditions, etc., things which are not always the case in other countries.
I'm not convinced this thing is going to work, ultimately the right decision may be to cancel it.I don't think the fans, or the players, give a flying fart if it "works". They're making the damn omelet, and they don't care how many eggs get broken.
I don't think the fans, or the players, give a flying fart if it "works". They're making the damn omelet, and they don't care how many eggs get broken.
I guess it depends on your definition of it "working" is, or is not. What are the metrics to evaluate if it's working, or not working?I think it's more along the lines that as long as there aren't deaths, it's "working".
If it's simply cases, then yeah, it's not going to work.
If it's actual sick people, well, that could look different. We'll know more in two weeks I suppose.
The BTN is airing a Michigan-Florida bowl game, and the Wolverines are decked out in all Maize from head to toe.how very Oregon of them
I think it's more along the lines that as long as there aren't deaths, it's "working".why dont we just hold our judgement until theres something to judge
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to starters, I mean.
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to starters on P5 teams.
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to first-round lock starters on CFP-caliber teams.
Yeah, that last one. As long as there isn't that, nobody cares and they'll play football.
I think it's more along the lines that as long as there aren't deaths, it's "working".I really appreciate the “everyone is heartless except me” vibe.
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to starters, I mean.
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to starters on P5 teams.
Err, as long as there aren't deaths to first-round lock starters on CFP-caliber teams.
Yeah, that last one. As long as there isn't that, nobody cares and they'll play football.
I really appreciate the “everyone is heartless except me” vibe.Who said "except me"?
Who said "except me"?Well, watching it and enjoying it doesn’t make you or I uncaring monsters. And if a walk on dies I’m sure we will all be saddened and would fully understand if schools started shutting it down.
I enjoyed watching CFB and the NFL this weekend. I like watching it. If they decide to play, I'm not going to boycott and turn off my TV out of concern for the players. In fact, part of my difficulty getting into CFB right now is because my own team is not playing.
I think this may blow up in everyone's face, but I'm still watching for as long as it lasts.
Sounds like the Nebraska President and Wisconsin Chancellor were on different calls.Yup. Did I just hear yakety sax playing in the background of those two tweets?
I don't care if fans cannot attendA mid-October start would give plenty of time to see what's happening to other programs that have allowed fans in the stands.
just put it on my TV in high def!
Look like we are going to have a seasonThat has got to be the shoddiest piece of second-hand reporting I've ever laid eyes on.
BREAKING SPORTS NEWS...from the MY 92-9 MidOhjo Newsroom. WLNS-TV in Lansing Michigan and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel are reporting that presidents and chancellors of the Big Ten Conference have approved plans to restart the 2020 football season. David Hookstead, who covers Wisconsin sports for The Daily Caller, reports the vote of the 14 conference CEOs "passed with ease." He did not say what the results were, or when or if the vote would be made public. Hookstead alao reports that Ohio State and Penn State released videos "indicating an official announcement is imminent." WLNS reports that practice would begin in the next 2 weeks in advance of "a mid October start." Whether fans will be allowed to attend games isn't clear at this point.
Both the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and ESPN are going with a restart the weekend of October 24.ESPN's Cole Cubelic points out, in time for eight games and a title game right before CFB selection.
my brother's text...........Your brother is a sarcastic pot-stirring mofo just like you. :)
Kevin Warren is a genius!
Where's the schedule?Patience. You've got 5 or 6 weeks before the first game, so no hurry.
Do the Huskers play at home on the 24th?
Let's get with the program!
The Big Ten Conference will use data provided by each Chief Infection Officer (CInO) to make decisions about the continuation of practice and competition, as determined by team positivity rate and population positivity rate, based on a seven-day rolling average:5% is awfully tight window if a position group gets hit with covid it could push it into the Red Zone for stopping practice.
Team positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
Green 0-2%
Orange 2-5%
Red >5%
Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
Green 0-3.5%
Orange 3.5-7.5%
Red >7.5%
Decisions to alter or halt practice and competition will be based on the following scenarios:
Green/Green and Green/Orange: Team continues with normal practice and competition.
Orange/Orange and Orange/Red: Team must proceed with caution and enhance COVID-19 prevention (alter practice and meeting schedule, consider viability of continuing with scheduled competition).
Red/Red: Team must stop regular practice and competition for a minimum of seven days and reassess metrics until improved.
The daily testing will begin by September 30, 2020.
so, is this a forfeit?
Red/Red: Team must stop regular practice and competition for a minimum of seven days and reassess metrics until improved.
Population positivity rate??My guess, is it's the local/municipal population.
is this the population of the Athletic department? the population of football operations team and support staff? The entire campus population? The population of the city or the state?
luckily with a democratic mayor, the city of lincoln has had a mask ordinance for a few months
was the first place I wore a mask
those little booger eaters in the elementary schools better not cause an outbreak
I'll admit I'm not quite sure what to think about it.I think ELA mentioned that much of the pivot on strategy is probably more driven by PR problems than a reevaluation of the health aspects.
Still, I'm surprised that the presidents are going this way given that campus-driven outbreaks are still going strong in Madison, IC, and East Lansing (and possibly Champaign).
On CCG day, the Big Ten will do full division matchups. Camps meet, but so do second place teams, third and so on.
This idea is excellent
On CCG day, the Big Ten will do full division matchups. Camps meet, but so do second place teams, third and so on.
This idea is excellent
2019 version would've been:
Ohio State 9-0 vs. Wisconsin 7-2
Penn State 7-2 vs. Minnesota 7-2
Michigan 6-3 vs. Iowa 6-3
Indiana 5-4 vs. Illinois 4-5
Michigan State 4-5 vs. Purdue 3-6
Maryland 1-8 vs. Nebraska 3-6
Rutger 0-9 vs. Northwestern 1-8
I think ELA mentioned that much of the pivot on strategy is probably more driven by PR problems than a reevaluation of the health aspects.P12? My guess is they don't play.
Which of course is why they pushed it out to late Oct and reduced it to 8 games--more time to watch the other conferences and pivot back to not playing, if necessary. If they have to cancel then, there won't be a PR hit for doing it.
Now the question is... What will the P12 do?
so, is this a forfeit?MLB should have done that with the Cardinals and Marlins, but didn't.
I say if you can't manage the safety of your team, you forfeit and the opponent gets the "V" in the "W" column
2019 version would've been:How is home team determined?
Ohio State 9-0 vs. Wisconsin 7-2
Penn State 7-2 vs. Minnesota 7-2
Michigan 6-3 vs. Iowa 6-3
Indiana 5-4 vs. Illinois 4-5
Michigan State 4-5 vs. Purdue 3-6
Maryland 1-8 vs. Nebraska 3-6
Rutger 0-9 vs. Northwestern 1-8
I thought the "make sure all the players get it over the summer so they're back in time for the season" strategy was supposed to be a joke?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus
I'll admit I'm not quite sure what to think about it.supposedly the vote was unanimous
Still, I'm surprised that the presidents are going this way given that campus-driven outbreaks are still going strong in Madison, IC, and East Lansing (and possibly Champaign).
Yeah, you don't need to worry about them.The fun part is that we get to worry about all of them.
I'd be more concerned with the college kids sharing beer bongs and doing tequila shots out of each others' ass-cracks.
2019 version would've been:
Ohio State 9-0 vs. Wisconsin 7-2
Penn State 7-2 vs. Minnesota 7-2
Michigan 6-3 vs. Iowa 6-3
Indiana 5-4 vs. Illinois 4-5
Michigan State 4-5 vs. Purdue 3-6
Maryland 1-8 vs. Nebraska 3-6
Rutger 0-9 vs. Northwestern 1-8
can they please announce the first weekend's games?
the guys on this board could have had this done before midnight last night
Sadly, I'm afraid this is exactly what's going to happen.
They now sit back and hope like hell the the $EC cancels their season, so they can clamor about how right they were as they re-cancel. Just my cynical side showing up.
The Missouri Tigers will be without 12 players for their season opener against Alabama on Sept. 26 after the team's most recent tests for COVID-19, first-year coach Eli Drinkwitz said Wednesday.Love the last name, and he should be a future Big Ten coach some day. Probably Wisconsin would be the best fit.
some Husker fans think AD Mooos is asking for the Hawkeyes/Huskers on black Friday
probably complicating matters
So the Baylor-Houston game....which replaced two previously-Covided games has how been Covided.FIFY
Amazing.
LSU's whole team had the virus. Florida has some. Charlotte cancels game vs UNC. FAU-GA Southern Covided.
I think we're going to learn the true meaning of "hell and high water" this fall.
So, will this thing blow up?No one wants it to, but it's a near certainty.
No one wants it to, but it's a near certainty.well, not for places like LSU, most have had it
No one wants it to, but it's a near certainty.If I was a betting man, I would take the bet that it will not blow up. Might get a few games cancelled, but there will be a college football season.
77 false positives?Appears to have been an issue at one lab, which can happen of course when so many labs popped up doing these tests.
nice
FSU HC Mike Norvell tests positive for Covid-19. And he isn't 20 years old, guys. Here we go.......
Notre Dame - Wake Forest postponed. 7 Irish players have tested positive and apparently a total of 13 are affected (i.e. the remainder in isolation due to contact tracing).I'd like to now what particular 7 and 13 players and why they can't field a team w/o them
Hey has anyone seen chicken little recently?My post just stated facts. Why did it cause you to froth at the mouth?
There he is. Thanks for another worthless doomsday post.
Norvell is soooooooooooo sick, that he held a press conference, and is remotely coaching his team while under quarantine, during said press conference he repeatedly claimed "[he] feels just fine." He is also 38, in yet another not high risk group.
Orange Asperger Man, your routine has gone past old into the deplorable category.
Well it's about the math (again).That's why I'm struggling to care. I don't love football enough to watch non-MSU spring games, or NFL preseason games, and that's kind of what this feels like. A bunch of random disconnected games. It sucks, bad. We are all here for a reason, we love college football, but this ain't it.
Team A will play all 10 games, no problem. But only because there are enough teams playing that somebody winds up getting lucky.
Team B will play 3 games and shut it down.
Team C will play 8 games.
And so on.
And it's a roll of the dice as to which cluster of teams (ie conference) has enough lucky teams towards that end of the spectrum.
That's why I'm struggling to care. I don't love football enough to watch non-MSU spring games, or NFL preseason games, and that's kind of what this feels like. A bunch of random disconnected games. It sucks, bad. We are all here for a reason, we love college football, but this ain't it.Heck, I often have trouble getting my energy up to watch non-Purdue and non-B1G games. Often if there's a big matchup on, I'll have it on the TV, but not give it tons of attention.
I was struggling to care when the Husker's games were cancelledI can't speak for the B1G, but in the B12 it's not necessarily 7 players, rather it's about percentages available within position groups. If too many players from one position group can't go, then it gets to the point where it's unsafe, because you'll be plugging in players that just don't have enough experience at a position, to play the game safely.
if the Huskers strap on pads and play a game or a few games or 9 games, I will care about every snap
there will be a huge asterisk on the 2020 season, but I'll be watching
I think there "could be" many more games if the games weren't postponed or cancelled because 7 players on one team test positive the week of the game.
I was referring to Notre Dame's 7 players testing positive.time for iron man football
I understand not publishing the list of players.
I suppose if all 7 players were O-linemen or RBs or WRs (one position group) that would be a good reason.
IMO, if's it comes down to a couple 3rd stringers getting a chance to play, they should be ready. This has happened in the past due to many other reasons.
I was referring to Notre Dame's 7 players testing positive.If only 7 players are preventing a team from playing, then yes, it's my assumption that one or two position groups are heavily over-represented.
I understand not publishing the list of players.
I suppose if all 7 players were O-linemen or RBs or WRs (one position group) that would be a good reason.
IMO, if's it comes down to a couple 3rd stringers getting a chance to play, they should be ready. This has happened in the past due to many other reasons.
If only 7 players are preventing a team from playing, then yes, it's my assumption that one or two position groups are heavily over-represented.Which of course makes sense. To a large extent one position group can more easily be distanced from another position group. The wide receivers aren't stuck in the same room watching film as the defensive linemen. But all the wide receivers would be in one room studying film together.
Heck, I often have trouble getting my energy up to watch non-Purdue and non-B1G games. Often if there's a big matchup on, I'll have it on the TV, but not give it tons of attention.Yeah, I should say, I'll still watch MSU games. But that's about it
That said, for any game with Purdue on the TV this fall, I'll be tuned in. So if it's 2 games or 9 games, I'll watch.
I don't find myself any less interested in college football than before.Yeah, and I get that. I just struggle if it's just a random bunch of games. Maybe as we get into October, and we get some continuity, it will feel different.
If anything, I might be more appreciative, knowing what these players are overcoming to play the game, and knowing we potentially won't have it all season long.
The only game I made it out to last year was between two 0-9 teams. Just stayed for a half.If this is where fans watching sports ends, my last college football game was Vandy-Nevada; and my last sporting event was a Robert Morris-St. Francis, NEC conference tourney quarterfinal.
I keep wanting to go see some big-boy teams play in AZ, but not this year.
My daughter visited us from Columbus that weekend and it was colder in Athens, GA that day than C-bus. It was windy and occasionally drizzling rain at about 38°F, just about the worst conditions possible really short of being below 10°F and very windy.Eh, I'd still take 10 below and dry. The worst weather game I ever attended was this
I recall once in Cincy going outside for more wood, it was -18°F and the wind was howling, I think that is the coldest I've experienced short term.
Eh, I'd still take 10 below and dry. The worst weather game I ever attended was thisWhen I was in 8th grade I played in a game with weather conditions like the Michigan-Purdue game. Rain, sleet, snow mixture all game. Field was a disaster. Ended in a 0-0 tie.
https://youtu.be/j460bLNZ6To
My post just stated facts.You start your post claiming to only state facts.
And yet your very next sentence is instantiated and clearly not factual.
Why did it cause you to froth at the mouth?
No hyperbole needed.
You start your post claiming to only state facts.LOL, you're still on this? There's football on!
And yet your very next sentence is instantiated and clearly not factual.
"Froth at the Mouth" - Def. Figure of speech, or hyperbole to be viciously and uncontrollably angry or upset.
Orange Asperger Man your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Serious question have you been tested? Are you on the spectrum? Asking for a friend.
LOL, you're still on this? There's football on!
And yet you claim to "state facts" that football will be canceled?!?!?Wouldn't that just me being wrong? You seem to be confused and still frothing at the mouth.
HYPOCRITE
Anyone suggesting/voting fans will be involved is in a special kind of fantasyland.
It's a cluster fuq and no sports season will be completed.Baseball seems to be doing remarkably well, so far.
I think it's time to face reality. There won't be football this year. There, I said it. The offseason stream thread will live until August, 2021.We're on the positive side so far.
Baseball seems to be doing remarkably well, so far.
Baseball seems to be doing remarkably well, so far.Pro sports are easy. Unless you are a pile of dipshits like the Marlins and Cardinals (who should both have forfeited all postponed games), it's easy.
Your hyperbole, that you inaccurately label as facts is not appreciated by myself and numerous other posters.Do you have enough to form a cult yet?
Not mention Basketball and Hockey.Well, that's completely different. Honestly, if college football players continue on their present trajectory, which requires them to be more mature than a bunch of dumbass, mask-ridiculing adults, they all deserve a goddamned Heisman. So far, so good. And I think we all sold them short
Pro sports are easy. Unless you are a pile of dipshits like the Marlins and Cardinals (who should both have forfeited all postponed games), it's easy.I haven't noticed college-age kids doing any better than any particular other segment of the population. In fact, here in Austin and many other college towns, the "new cases" statistics indicate that they're doing worse than all other segments.
College kids are young, clustered and stupid. That said, they have showed remarkable maturity, better than a good chunk of "but MA LIBERTIIIIIEEESSS" adults, and should be commended. I actually think we are going to make it.
I haven't noticed college-age kids doing any better than any particular other segment of the population. In fact, here in Austin and many other college towns, the "new cases" statistics indicate that they're doing worse than all other segments.College kids vs. college football players. I could be wrong, but I think the football players are largely doing a better ish job than their fellow students. Not judging, I was a 20 year old idiot too
They're just not ending up in the hospital because this virus simply isn't affecting younger people as dramatically as older people. It's really not affecting them much at all, statistically.
College kids vs. college football players. I could be wrong, but I think the football players are largely doing a better ish job than their fellow students. Not judging, I was a 20 year old idiot tooI don't know, your message was confused when you took a random shot at "muh liberties" people.
Well, that's completely different. Honestly, if college football players continue on their present trajectory, which requires them to be more mature than a bunch of dumbass, mask-ridiculing adults, they all deserve a goddamned Heisman. So far, so good. And I think we all sold them shortIt's still early.
I don't know, your message was confused when you took a random shot at "muh liberties" people.I expect college kids to do stupid college kids things. I expect adults to act like adults. Outbreaks on college campuses are inevitable. But I think thus far, the players have showed remarkable maturity compared to what my expectations for college kids are. That could all go south, but thus far, I've been surprised, and impressed. Likewise, I've been surprised and disappointed by the lack of maturity from far too many adults. I assumed if a percentage of adults is engaging in stupid behavior, then the percentage of college kids doing the same, would be higher. I don't think that's the case here. Maybe among the general college population, but the players seem to be doing better. Granted, once it's been 8 weeks, do they get sick of it, and go to a bar? Maybe. But considering we have grown ass adults going to strip clubs, and motorcycle rallies, and casinos, I didn't think college football would even make it this far.
Are you talking about college kids, college athletes, or the general public?
It just seemed like a really weird tangent and I responded with my thoughts on just how college kids stack up against the people that you, apparently, consider to be beneath you or something. That's something I expect of another crazily agenda-driven poster around here, but not you. It was... surprising.
We're on the positive side so far.I'm pleased.
I expect college kids to do stupid college kids things. I expect adults to act like adults. Outbreaks on college campuses are inevitable. But I think thus far, the players have showed remarkable maturity compared to what my expectations for college kids are. That could all go south, but thus far, I've been surprised, and impressed. Likewise, I've been surprised and disappointed by the lack of maturity from far too many adults. I assumed if a percentage of adults is engaging in stupid behavior, then the percentage of college kids doing the same, would be higher. I don't think that's the case here. Maybe among the general college population, but the players seem to be doing better. Granted, once it's been 8 weeks, do they get sick of it, and go to a bar? Maybe. But considering we have grown ass adults going to strip clubs, and motorcycle rallies, and casinos, I didn't think college football would even make it this far.
The college-aged kids in many college towns are showing case rates much, much higher than the adult populations in those same geographical areas.That's what I said. That these football players should be commended. Stupid college kids are acting like stupid college kids, and unfortunately too many adults are also acting like stupid college kids, but the football players seem to be doing better. Particularly considering how many more asymptomatic cases are likely being picked up due to mandatory testing, compared to the population at large.
I do agree that many football players seem to be handling it better than the general population, which serves to confirm our speculation from a few months ago that being in a closely monitored environment, with greater incentive to avoid infection, would be a better place for football players, than canceling the season and throwing them into the general population of college kids.this Ed Zachery...
So, who would change their vote now that we're into a real season?I'll eat my crow. This is going much more smoothly than I expected.
I'm more optimistic than I was. I worry this surge predicted might happen though.
So, who would change their vote now that we're into a real season?I assumed no colleges would have kids on campus. As long as the kids are there, I think the football will continue. I've been pleased.
I'm more optimistic than I was. I worry this surge predicted might happen though.
We were out and about today, had physical therapy, had to get batteries for key fobs, stopped and had Korean for lunch, stopped to get more liquor. It almost feels normal now to wear a mask. The PT lady is pretty fun, and the wife is there at the same time.
I'll eat my crow. This is going much more smoothly than I expected.Man I think it's still too early to tell and I wouldn't eat any crow just yet if I were you.
Man I think it's still too early to tell and I wouldn't eat any crow just yet if I were you.Based on what we're seeing, I'm assuming that there will be most likely limited single-team outbreaks. Some cancelled/postponed games here and there.
But I'm hopeful that things can continue and the players can continue to remain safe.
hope so, fingers crossedi'd have been okay with Dallas not playing Seattle last week. Although the Cowboys actually kept it much closer than I thought they would...
perhaps the Vikings are just hoping to avoid their next loss?
i'd have been okay with Dallas not playing Seattle last week. Although the Cowboys actually kept it much closer than I thought they would...Seattle went from sticking to the run game and defense well past their expiration date, while handcuffing Wilson; to finally realizing he was their best player, and just letting him outgun everyone.
so, it seems most kids are back with their teams. Not as scared as they were a few months ago.IMO, that is the most telling thing. You can question the motivations of schools, ADs, coaches, etc, but guys like Bateman, Moore and Mayfield coming back is a great sign. They can probably only hurt their future prospects by returning, and under "similar" circumstances a couple months ago, decided it wasn't worth it. They've changed their mind, with no change in incentives, other than apparently feeling much better about the protocols now vs. then.
apparently, the Minnesooota Vikings are going to open their facility and practice tomorrowLength of contact is a factor, and Bradbury was barely ever near him for long
I guess the D tackle that tested positive didn't transmit the virus to the undersized Viking center, Bradbury, that was brutalized the entire game
Rashod Bateman is back.I thought he hired an agent and could not come back.
I thought he hired an agent and could not come back.The NCAA granted him a waiver. Jalen Mayfield at Michigan did the same thing and also got a waiver. There are a lot of waivers being issued on these grounds.
Coach Brian Kelly, speaking with ESPN on Tuesday, said doctors had determined the recent COVID-19 outbreak was linked to the team eating a pregame meal together before the Sept. 19 game against South Florida, as well as one player vomiting on the sideline during the game.
“Throughout our entire time together, we had not had one meal where we sat down together,” Kelly told ESPN. “Everything was grab-and-go. We get into our game situation where we have a pregame meal together, and that cost us. Big.
"We had somebody who was asymptomatic, and it spread like wildfire throughout our meeting area, where we were eating, and then it got guys in contact tracing.”
I blame Coach Kelly and the ignorant folks running Irish football if this report is accurateYeah, I mean, you'd have to have a complete failure at all levels of the program, to have allowed this to happen.
Yeah, I mean, you'd have to have a complete failure at all levels of the program, to have allowed this to happen.It's no different than the kid filming practice on the extremely windy day.
Which is possible, but I suspect there's a simpler explanation for how it spread among the team, and how the coaches had no idea...
It's no different than the kid filming practice on the extremely windy day.That's what I was going to say. Once you've killed a kid, what is just potentially giving a bunch of your players a heart condition?
It's no different than the kid filming practice on the extremely windy day.Well, hopefully none of the affected people die here.
I blame Coach Kelly and the ignorant folks running Irish football if this report is accurateThe Rev. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame, has tested positive for COVID-19 and is showing mild symptoms, the school said in a message sent to the campus community on Friday.
The Rev. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame, has tested positive for COVID-19 and is showing mild symptoms, the school said in a message sent to the campus community on Friday.Yeah, he was also around the White House earlier this week I believe.
Nebraska vs. Ohio State is three weekends away. Here’s a preview of the potent Buckeyes.
https://www.cornnation.com/2020/10/1/21451877/ohio-state-buckeyes-2020-football-preview (https://www.cornnation.com/2020/10/1/21451877/ohio-state-buckeyes-2020-football-preview)
fairly accurate??
Just four days before they are scheduled to play LSU, the No. 10 Florida Gators have put football activities on hold due to a coronavirus outbreak.
Florida's football program, including players, coaches and personnel, has had 19 positive tests over the past several days, a source told ESPN's Andrea Adelson, confirming a report by The Independent Florida Alligator.
The school announced earlier Tuesday that it has five new cases.
"The University of Florida football team has experienced an increase in positive COVID tests among players this week," Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin said in a statement. "Out of an abundance of caution, team activities are paused as of Tuesday afternoon.
knock it offYeah. Purdue fans went through the "Rondale opt out" to "no B1G football" to "B1G football is back but what about Rondale?" to "Rondale's back!"