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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2017, 02:38:57 PM
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time has finally been announced, will be a 12pm ET/11 am CT kick off on Fox. Bit of a break there for Michigan. Game is going to be hard enough as it is, but a night-game with a freshman QB in that environment would've just been that much tougher.
Michigan is very banged up.
Out for the year
QB Wilton Speight - Neck
WR Tarik Black - Foot
TE Nick Eubanks – Neck
LT Grant Newsome - Knee/Leg
Questionable
CB Lavert Hill – Concussion- missed 2nd half vs Maryland - could miss Wisconsin game
WR Kekoa Crawford – missed last 3 games
WR Nico Collins – missed Maryland game
RB Karan Higdon - limped off field vs Maryland in 2nd QTR didn't return
RB Ty Isaac – missed last 2 games
RG – Mike Onwenu – missed last 2 games
DE Rashan Gary - limped off field vs Maryland in 3rd QTR didn't return
Probable
CB David Long - been dealing with knee and groin injuries all year
WR Grant Perry - missed last week, barely played against Maryland
TE Ty Wheatley - missed previous 2 weeks, barely played vs Maryland
yaaaaaa......Michigan bout to get BLOWN out methinks.
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11 AM?
There's yet even proof that Big Jim loves him some Wolverine.
Very disappointing that they put this game so early. It should have been the 2:30 game.
Gameday will be in Madison, by the way.
UW, out for the year:
LB Jack Cichy, WR Quintez Cephus, TB Taiwan Deal, WR Jazz Peavy, LB Zach Baun, WR George Rushing, RB Sam Brodner, LB Mason Stokke.
Guys who did not play yesterday and are still questionable include S Dakota Dixon, NT Garrett Rand and DE Isiah Loudermilk.
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11 AM?
There's yet even proof that Big Jim loves him some Wolverine.
Very disappointing that they put this game so early. It should have been the 2:30 game.
Gameday will be in Madison, by the way.
UW, out for the year:
LB Jack Cichy, WR Quintez Cephus, TB Taiwan Deal, WR Jazz Peavy, LB Zach Baun, WR George Rushing, RB Sam Brodner, LB Mason Stokke.
Guys who did not play yesterday and are still questionable include S Dakota Dixon, NT Garrett Rand and DE Isiah Loudermilk.
Don't the tv network execs decide the kick off times? I doubt Big Jim has much of a say.
B1G cashes the big tv checks from Fox, no? Fox reserves the rights to put the games on at what time they want them on. My guess is Fox wants maximum eye balls and ad dollars for that 12pm ET slot.
Game Day being there is great. I haven't really watched Game Day like I used to. Feels like it's lost some of it's luster. Fowler was better hosting that show then calling live games. Corso is like 150 years old and he should probably go. At least he's not Lou Holtz though.
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It's probably the best game of the weekend. Should have been the 2:30 PM Fox Game. Nobody on the West Coast or in the Mountains will be watching this one, being so early.
Big Jim is a 49 percent partner with Fox.
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11 AM?
There's yet even proof that Big Jim loves him some Wolverine.
Very disappointing that they put this game so early. It should have been the 2:30 game.
Gameday will be in Madison, by the way.
UW, out for the year:
LB Jack Cichy, WR Quintez Cephus, TB Taiwan Deal, WR Jazz Peavy, LB Zach Baun, WR George Rushing, RB Sam Brodner, LB Mason Stokke.
Guys who did not play yesterday and are still questionable include S Dakota Dixon, NT Garrett Rand and DE Isiah Loudermilk.
I think MDot is right that the TV networks decide these things. I'm interested as to why that time. There's hardly a great game in the evening, and most of the games as yet unassigned are at best on that level.
Very odd, though I do like how we're all prone to assuming someone's always trying to get one over on us.
(Eyeballing it, that night spot either goes to TCU at Texas Tech or Arizona Oregon. Gross)
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It's probably the best game of the weekend. Should have been the 2:30 PM Fox Game. Nobody on the West Coast or in the Mountains will be watching this one, being so early.
Big Jim is a 49 percent partner with Fox.
you'll hear no disagreement from me. Especially with Game Day being there. It probably should've been a night game to be honest. If they want to maximize ratings.
But I seriously doubt Jim Delany had anything to do with the time that game is being played.
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UW, out for the year:
LB Jack Cichy, WR Quintez Cephus, TB Taiwan Deal, WR Jazz Peavy, LB Zach Baun, WR George Rushing, RB Sam Brodner, LB Mason Stokke.
Guys who did not play yesterday and are still questionable include S Dakota Dixon, NT Garrett Rand and DE Isiah Loudermilk.
Cichy/Cephus/Peavy would be nice right now don't know the other blokes
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I'll be pulling for the Badgers in this one, but I have a weird feeling that Michigan might some how prevail.
Should be a good game. Classic Big Ten slobber knocker.
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I forgot to mention LB Chris Orr, who did not play yesterday. He was still questionable and probably will be again this week.
But, the best defensive coordinator in the conference (country?) keeps on keeping on.
Some team is gonna be looking at him for their head coach before too much longer. UW has to do whatever it can to keep him.
I used to be a huge fan. Jim Delany sucks at everything but making money.
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Harbaugh has yet to win a really big game, this presents him with a great opportunity.
I'm pulling for the Badgers, well, because I hate um but also to set up a monster BIG title game.
Be interesting to see the badger o line vs a pretty good UM d line. I think whoever wins that battle pulls this one out.
I got a weird feeling UM figures it out and pulls off the upset 20-17
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Harbaugh has yet to win a really big game, this presents him with a great opportunity.
I'm pulling for the Badgers, well, because I hate um but also to set up a monster BIG title game.
Be interesting to see the badger o line vs a pretty good UM d line. I think whoever wins that battle pulls this one out.
I got a weird feeling UM figures it out and pulls off the upset 20-17
Hope you're right, but I don't see it. I just didn't see enough out of Peters and that passing game to make me think they can pull it off.
Michigan DL is kinda over-hyped. They have 3 excellent players and huge drop off after those 3 and the depth just isn't there. It's really just 3 guys and that's it. Hurst, Winovich, and Gary are all playing at a high level. But after them? Nada. Bryan Mone has been MIA all season- I've rarely seen him out there. I don't know what's going on there if it's injuries or he's in the doghouse. The other guys in the DL rotation are either young as hell and still kinda raw like Aubrey Solomon and Kwity Paye- who both show athletic flashes but are true frosh- or are just another guy like soph. Carlo Kemp-who probably should've redshirted last year and is probably nothing more than a depth player. The biggest disappointment has been Lawrence Marshall not improving at all and Bryan Mone disappearing from the face of the earth. They needed both of those guys to show up this year to have a great DL. Neither one of them have shown up at all this year.
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Wisconsin opens as 10 pt favorites. Surprised that line isn't higher. I don't think this is gonna be a close one guys.
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The Networks (which have rights to the league games) determine the drafting order of games, before the season. There are a handful of games, which are slotted before the season, these are usually the OOC games (we all know this, ELA posts these as they are known), then a few other conference games' kickoff times are set (but not necessarily which network), this is more recent trend in the B1G, as the league began to embrace more night games. Once that is done, these networks often utilize a 'six day' window (they only have so many to use), which really allows the top selecting network up until six days before kickoff to choose or select their game. The exception is the aforementioned night games. B1G doesn't permit six day window holds for night games selections
btw: Matt Sarzyniak has a great blog, and tracks all of this all year. Weeks ago he guessed Fox had the top choice, based on a comment made by Joel Klatt (analyst saying he'd be at the game). He wasn't clear on the time slot though. The Fox options were 11 or 3. As you all know Fox doesn't care about GameDay.
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My money is on Wisconsin.
Someone from the B1G has to represent in the playoff.
Smooth sailing the rest of the way.
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Wisconsin by 10? Only? The Badgers have the nations #1 defense, Michigan's QB is a red shirt freshman, pass offense is less sophisticated than that of the average high school team's and Michigan's last two starting RBs are injured. What else? Top CB likely out with concussion, D lineman Gary injured, the place kicker is having trouble putting it through the uprights, and Camp Randall. Am I missing anything?
Doomed!
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When was the last time Gameday went to an 11 AM game?
Also, any word on where they're setting up? Considering it takes an hour to get into the student end of the Camp, they can't set up on Bascomb Hill like in previous trips.
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B1G cashes the big tv checks from Fox, no? Fox reserves the rights to put the games on at what time they want them on. My guess is Fox wants maximum eye balls and ad dollars for that 12pm ET slot.
Seems like as the season has worn on FOX has wanted to put their big Big Ten game in the noon slot. The last two weeks it was MSU-PSU and MSU-OSU, now UM-UW. Two weeks ago UM-Minnesota was the FOX primetime game. This week MSU-Maryland is the 4:00 FOX game. Three straight weeks the Big Ten's marquee game has been the noon FOX game, and they've put the lesser game on later.
Personally I love it.
I also have repeatedly mentioned that this seems smart. It seems like every network is putting their best game in primetime. And while you have more eyeballs overall, is it better to be the 3rd or 4th highest rated primetime game, or to win the noon or 3:30 slots? It was tough to find good data, because for the last few years there were no marquee noon games save UM-OSU, so it was tough to determine. You couldn't just pick the top rated noon game and compare it, because when it was the best of a bad bunch, it wasn't a game that people turned their tvs on to watch, it was just people like us, who were watching anyway, figured that was the one worth watching. If FOX is going to put games on at NOON that people turn on specifically to watch, I imagine they'll do well. They seem to get creamed in the primetime ratings by ABC/ESPN, even when they have the better game, anyway.
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Like I said though.. nobody (except our kind) West of the central time zone is gonna look at this game.
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When was the last time Gameday went to an 11 AM game?
Also, any word on where they're setting up? Considering it takes an hour to get into the student end of the Camp, they can't set up on Bascomb Hill like in previous trips.
Do you mean any 12ET/11CT game, or one that's actually in the CT, so the kick is 11 AM?
The answer to the former is UM-OSU last year.
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Like I said though.. nobody (except our kind) West of the central time zone is gonna look at this game.
I don't know. Haven't seen numbers for this week yet, but MSU-PSU won the noon time slot (even with the weird delay), and came in 4th overall for the weekend 2 weeks ago. It was also the highest rated game of the FOX triple header that day, beating the 4:00 and 8:00 games.
Like I said, THAT'S the problem. FOX is getting creamed in the ratings later on when ABC/ESPN and CBS shows their big games. I don't think it's a coincidence that this will be the third straight week they've put the marquee Big Ten game at Noon, to let it dominate that timeslot.
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The Badgers have the nations #1 defense,
statistically I assume, but do you really believe they have the nations #1 defense?
I'm not saying they aren't good, but the best offense they've played is probably Indiana or FAU? and FAU is good, I'm not flaming there. plus add in the badgers ball control offense, it inflates the stats a smidge.
we probably won't really know how good this Badger defense is (on a national level) until they play Ohio State and play their bowl game.
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When was the last time Gameday went to an 11 AM game?
Also, any word on where they're setting up? Considering it takes an hour to get into the student end of the Camp, they can't set up on Bascomb Hill like in previous trips.
My guess is they will set up in "Badgerville" just North of the stadium.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/2015/8/21/GEN_2014010146.aspx
The actual location of the pregame is in the field house which abuts Camp Randall, so the normal "Badgerville" location will be open and available. It's either that or in front on the field house on the South side.
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The Badgers have the nations #1 defense,
statistically I assume, but do you really believe they have the nations #1 defense?
I'm not saying they aren't good, but the best offense they've played is probably Indiana or FAU? and FAU is good, I'm not flaming there. plus add in the badgers ball control offense, it inflates the stats a smidge.
we probably won't really know how good this Badger defense is (on a national level) until they play Ohio State and play their bowl game.
I think the best offense they played is one that scored 55 the week prior. Hah!
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S&P+ (prior to the Iowa game) ranked the #6 in the nation. So pretty darned close, and I'm guessing it only went up this week.
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So, this is Michigan's first trip to Madison since 2009.
(F You Jim Delany!)
This will almost be like a big OOC helmet game coming in, except we all know OOC helmets don't come to Madison.
Despite the time, Camp Randall will be rocking. It's been such a long time, and there is a lot on the line. This past Saturday was the loudest I've heard it in quite some time.
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I think the best offense they played is one that scored 55 the week prior. Hah!
I think that had more to do with a piss poor effort from the Buckeyes, Iowa is a very average offense. they definitely had a good game 2 weeks ago though
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People do seem to forget Iowa didn't do shit vs Penn st offensively either for much of the game. We will all go to our graves not being able to figure out the osu at Iowa game of 2017.
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People do seem to forget Iowa didn't do shit vs Penn st offensively either for much of the game. We will all go to our graves not being able to figure out the osu at Iowa game of 2017.
They put up 10 on MSU, 10 on Northwestern (even with an OT) and 17 on Minnesota. They haven't done anything all season in conference play on offense except for one quarter against Illinois, and then the weirdest game ever as you said.
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The OU v UT game has been a noon gameday game before , as was FSU at UL last yr.
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Wisconsin was held to 17 points vs Purdue and 24 vs Illinois, I'm pretty sure they are over 30 every other game.
I think UM's defense is definitely good enough to hold them to under 24.
Can UM's offense get to 24? I don't know. maybe. The run game has improved, can Peters, who's still pretty inexperienced make some throws to keep the chains moving?
I'm smelling a low scoring game.
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Both junior safety D'Cota Dixon and freshman center Tyler Biadasz (https://247sports.com/Player/Tyler-Biadasz-79339) were listed as questionable on Monday.
Dixon (leg) did not play in last Saturday's 38-14 win over Iowa. He has 46 tackles, 3.5 for loss, 1.5 sacks, and one interception in eight games.
Biadasz (leg) was hurt in the second half against the Hawkeyes. Sophomore Jason Erdmann (https://247sports.com/Player/Jason-Erdmann-35493) filled in for Biadasz.
The Badgers have also ruled out freshman tight end Luke Benzschawel (https://247sports.com/Player/Luke-Benzschawel-81303), senior wide receiver Jazz Peavy (https://247sports.com/Player/Jazz-Peavy-21827), and senior wide receiver George Rushing (https://247sports.com/Player/George-Rushing-23217).
Sophomore linebacker Chris Orr (https://247sports.com/Player/Chris-Orr-65602) (leg) will miss his second-straight game as well.
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This will almost be like a big OOC helmet game coming in, except we all know OOC helmets don't come to Madison.
when's the last time Wiscy went on the road to a OOC helmet school?
I remember the LSU game at lambeau, you played somebody at Jerry World, TCU maybe? I'm not flaming, I honestly am drawing a blank.
I don't get why schools can't figure this out. Ohio State's never had much issue getting a big home and home scheduled.
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when's the last time Wiscy went on the road to a OOC helmet school?
I remember the LSU game at lambeau, you played somebody at Jerry World, TCU maybe? I'm not flaming, I honestly am drawing a blank.
I don't get why schools can't figure this out. Ohio State's never had much issue getting a big home and home scheduled.
1. I don't know what "Wiscy" is. If you mean Wisconsin? It's been forever. Wisconsin is not Boise State. Wisconsin demands a return game for any road game.
2. The only games Wisconsin can get with a helmet school are "neutral" games. None of them will come to Madison (schedule a loss). At least LSU had the balls to come to the state.
3. Of course OSU can get helmets to come to Columbus. OSU is a helmet.
Future OOC "name" foes include BYU, Syracuse, Notre Dame ("neutrals" at Green Bay and Chicago), Virginia Tech, Washington State and UCLA. Talks are ongoing with Auburn, Tennessee and Washington.
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2. The only games Wisconsin can get with a helmet school are "neutral" games. None of them will come to Madison (schedule a loss). At least LSU had the balls to come to the state.
I don't really get this part, I mean, if it's a helmet school ie USC, Texas, Alabama, Florida, etc. I'm sure some of those teams don't want to a tough game, but I don't understand how Ohio State can get Washington, Texas, ND, USC, TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon, Oklahoma to come to Columbus, why they couldn't play in Madison? The Bucks are giving all those schools a return visit. On average Ohio State is more likely to be ranked higher than Wisconsin but those schools are more willing to schedule a loss in Columbus vs Madison? there's got to be something else going on, money or something
I'm sure those schools all respect Wisconsin, and know the game would be a challenge. Maybe Barrie doesn't want to go on the road either for what would be a (scheduled loss)?
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Future OOC "name" foes include BYU, Syracuse, Notre Dame ("neutrals" at Green Bay and Chicago), Virginia Tech, Washington State and UCLA. Talks are ongoing with Auburn, Tennessee and Washington.
these would all be good games, I'm not opposed to the neutral field game, but I prefer to visit other campuses.
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S&P+ (prior to the Iowa game) ranked the #6 in the nation. So pretty darned close, and I'm guessing it only went up this week.
No. 1 now.
The Badgers have the nations #1 defense,
statistically I assume, but do you really believe they have the nations #1 defense?
I'm not saying they aren't good, but the best offense they've played is probably Indiana or FAU? and FAU is good, I'm not flaming there. plus add in the badgers ball control offense, it inflates the stats a smidge.
we probably won't really know how good this Badger defense is (on a national level) until they play Ohio State and play their bowl game.
UW has crushed the offenses it faced to a level greater than others have crushed the ones they faced. Is what it is.
Best UW has faced is FAU, which is now playing at a top-10 level, somehow. They get Michigan's No. 53 group.
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2. The only games Wisconsin can get with a helmet school are "neutral" games. None of them will come to Madison (schedule a loss). At least LSU had the balls to come to the state.
I don't really get this part, I mean, if it's a helmet school ie USC, Texas, Alabama, Florida, etc. I'm sure some of those teams don't want to a tough game, but I don't understand how Ohio State can get Washington, Texas, ND, USC, TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon, Oklahoma to come to Columbus, why they couldn't play in Madison? The Bucks are giving all those schools a return visit. On average Ohio State is more likely to be ranked higher than Wisconsin but those schools are more willing to schedule a loss in Columbus vs Madison? there's got to be something else going on, money or something
I'm sure those schools all respect Wisconsin, and know the game would be a challenge. Maybe Barrie doesn't want to go on the road either for what would be a (scheduled loss)?
Nope. King Barry would take his team on the road to face any team willing to come to Madison.
Losing in Columbus is not the same as losing in Madison, as far as perception goes.
When you have home and home games, there is no money involved other than sharing ticket revenue. It's even-steven, unlike the neutrals, which pay pretty big for both teams.
BYU got a two for one. Two in Madison, one in Provo. No money exchanged either way.
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Just BTHO Michigan, BTHO of the East champ in Indy, go into the final four and play well
that would give King Barry the negotiating leverage he's looking for in home and home scheduling
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Or maybe he'll just work behind the scenes to help add more helmets to the conference. It worked once. Heh.
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Or maybe he'll just work behind the scenes to help add more helmets to the conference. It worked once. Heh.
Have him go for Mizzou and VT please.
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Have him go for Mizzou and VT please.
No way. I'm glad that we dodged the Mizzou bullet. Thanks Nebraska.
Add Oklahoma and Texas. Beef up the B1G West a little bit.
Then, with Purdue sliding East, the divisions would be divided by Time Zone.
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well, when you have enough helmets in the conference, you can schedule like Bama
wait, Wisconsin DID schedule like Bama this season ;)
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Then, with Purdue sliding East, the divisions would be divided by Time Zone.
that really won't solve everything
if your clock is set ahead an hour, y'all just don't understand 11 in the morning kickoffs
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that really won't solve everything
if your clock is set ahead an hour, y'all just don't understand 11 in the morning kickoffs
Then, down the line, when they expel Rutgers to make room for Notre Dame...
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if the B1G was divided by time zone........ would Big Jim and the BTN allow the West's early games to start at noon Central????
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if the B1G was divided by time zone........ would Big Jim and the BTN allow the West's early games to start at noon Central????
What makes you think Big Jim is the Commissioner of a Conference, this enterprise is a TV Network.
11 am today, 11 am tomorrow, 11 am forever!!!!
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Some people (myself included) argue that Eastern and Central Time should be merged (at Central Time) and same goes for Mountain and Pacific (at Mountain Time) so that the East and West Coasts are only separated by an hour instead of 3. China somehow manages with just one time zone (despite having the equivalent of five, if I'm not mistaken), so it's not that unreasonable. It would also eliminate the need for Daylight Savings Time.
As for the game, I think this will be a close game, unless Michigan is really down that many injured players. That said, none of the injuries that came against Maryland sound serious. If they all play, then I feel okay. It sounds like Onwenu will be back on the OL, too.... I think turnovers may end up being the deciding factor....
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Looks like Walk on Jason Erdmann is going to start at center this week if Biadasz can't go. He's questionable along with starting safety Dixon. Chris Orr has been ruled out already.
Hopefully UW can get all of these kids back come December 2, if not sooner. They need 'em.
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Wisconsin was held to 17 points vs Purdue and 24 vs Illinois, I'm pretty sure they are over 30 every other game.
I think UM's defense is definitely good enough to hold them to under 24.
Can UM's offense get to 24? I don't know. maybe. The run game has improved, can Peters, who's still pretty inexperienced make some throws to keep the chains moving?
I'm smelling a low scoring game.
IMHO, the offense/defense questions are highly correlated. I do think that Michigan's defense should be able to hold Wisconsin's offense to about 24 or less, but that is dependent on Michigan getting a reasonable level of production from their offense. Michigan's defense is NOT going to hold Wisconsin to 24 points if they have to play 40+ minutes because their offense goes 3-and-out every time they touch the ball.
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National Weather Service forecast for Madison on Saturday:
A chance of rain, mixing with snow after 8am, then gradually ending. Partly sunny, with a temperature falling to around 31 by 4pm. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
Also saw a rumor over on MGoBlog that Higdon is practicing.
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Nope. King Barry would take his team on the road to face any team willing to come to Madison.
maybe it's a recruiting issue as well, I'm guessing coaches like to play more road games in Texas, Florida, California, etc vs Wisconsin which isn't as fertile a recruiting ground
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I'm fine with most coaches not knowing about Wisconsin HS players, and the recruiting services underrating them all the time.
That's why the walk on program is so successful. Let's keep it that way.
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Rashan Gary says he's going to play in the Wisconsin game.
Gary to Play (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Bolt/Michigan-SDE-Rashan-Gary-downplays-injury-Im-going-to-play-Wisconsin-110438063)
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I'm fine with most coaches not knowing about Wisconsin HS players, and the recruiting services underrating them all the time.
That's why the walk on program is so successful. Let's keep it that way.
Then quit yer golderned belly-achin' 'bout poor lil ole Wisconsin and nobody wanting to come to Madison! ;)
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Between gametime, Big Jim, helmet schools not doing a home & home, and injuries this thread presents a whole lotta Wisconsin belly aching. The Badgers are definitely a Top 5 football program right now, but you wouldn't know from the fans. And if the anointed one is truly "The King" why cant he take care of some this stuff. He brought together the rousing success that is B1G hockey afterall :57:
On the subject of the game, I follow Mr. Medina's line of thinking. Michigan's D is very good (not great). But, the floodgates will open if the offense doesn't move the ball a bit. They'll need a short field or two to work with and Nordin will need to capitalize on a long fg or two to win the game. If the offense isnt moving the ball this game could look like the Wisconsin Iowa game from the week prior.
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I'm fine with most coaches not knowing about Wisconsin HS players, and the recruiting services underrating them all the time.
That's why the walk on program is so successful. Let's keep it that way.
the boat rower is listening
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Then quit yer golderned belly-achin' 'bout poor lil ole Wisconsin and nobody wanting to come to Madison! ;)
YOU are guilty as charged.
I remember. You probably don't, ya old fart.
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Between gametime, Big Jim, helmet schools not doing a home & home, and injuries this thread presents a whole lotta Wisconsin belly aching. The Badgers are definitely a Top 5 football program right now, but you wouldn't know from the fans. And if the anointed one is truly "The King" why cant he take care of some this stuff. He brought together the rousing success that is B1G hockey afterall :57:
On the subject of the game, I follow Mr. Medina's line of thinking. Michigan's D is very good (not great). But, the floodgates will open if the offense doesn't move the ball a bit. They'll need a short field or two to work with and Nordin will need to capitalize on a long fg or two to win the game. If the offense isnt moving the ball this game could look like the Wisconsin Iowa game from the week prior.
Only my belly. The representations I make do not reflect the opinions or position of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
As for the game, I predict it will be close because I think Horni will throw a couple of picks. That, and there could be some more key players missing from the lineup. We'll know by Thursday how things look on that front.
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Remember what??? Get off my lawn!!!
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Remember what??? Get off my lawn!!!
See??
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Do any big time programs schedule home and homes anymore? Maybe a decade ago there was some of that fear of the no win scenario keeping teams away, but seems like those types of series have all but disappeared. Arizona State and Miami are the only P5 programs MSU has home and homes with coming up off the top of my head.
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Ohio State/Oklahoma comes to mind
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Nebraska isn't big time any longer, but they have a home & home scheduled with the Sooners in 21 & 22
just finished one with the Ducks of Oregon that have fallen off big time status
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Home and Home's are the best. These neutral site games in stale NFL environments have no interest from me to attend. Would rather go into the lion's den and soak up the college campus and all it has to offer.
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I guess the closest thing to "big time" for UW right now is the Virginia Tech series in a few years. Who knows what WSU will be when the time comes. That's the trouble with scheduling so far out. UW is getting burned right now with BYU. They suck, but they were really good when the games were scheduled.
I just looked and UW travels to USF next season. It's a return trip for the 2014 game USF played in Madison. That could be interesting as Strong has them playing pretty well right now.
It's also a recruiting trip...
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Home and Home's are the best. These neutral site games in stale NFL environments have no interest from me to attend. Would rather go into the lion's den and soak up the college campus and all it has to offer.
How did the Arkansas/Michigan series get cancelled? Was that on BB?
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UW players/coach On Michigan:
"We had those three losses last year, but that was the one -- we never want to be outplayed," senior tight end Troy Fumagalli said. "They were big and physical. They outplayed us last year and there's no other way to say it.
"Of our losses last year, that was the one where we felt most outmatched," said senior fullback Austin Ramesh.
"It was a bad feeling, we played really bad," said junior left tackle Michael Deiter. "We couldn't run the ball. It was just a big stalemate all day and we couldn't get any movement."
"They kind of kicked our butt that day," said sophomore right tackle David Edwards. "It's something we're mindful of. It was a tough game last year and we're looking to put that behind us."
"Just kind of felt like were scrapping to just stay in the game," junior linebacker T.J. Edwards said of last season's meeting. "We weren't as physical as them.
"We have to come out with an edge. We know we have to match that physicality if we want a chance to win this football game."
"We see them as good or better than they were (last year)," said offensive coordinator Joe Rudolph. “They’re good, man. Those d-lineman, they stand out. They can make plays individually, win 1-on-1’s, explosive guys inside, edge rushers, they can play the run, they can rush the passer. Their backers can fly to the ball, get off blocks. When you see teams consistently win 1-on-1’s, that’s a sign they’re pretty athletic.”
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Nebraska isn't big time any longer, but they have a home & home scheduled with the Sooners in 21 & 22
just finished one with the Ducks of Oregon that have fallen off big time status
MSU just had one with Oregon too, those are the attainable ones. As for "helmets." I mean 2-4 of them are in the conference. So if you mean Alabama, Texas, USC, yeah, those aren't happening.
He mentioned UW has one coming up with VT. Those I think are the best any of us can hope for. You have OSU-Oklahoma and Texas-USC. But those are helmets against each other. They largely aren't scheduling them otherwise anymore, period.
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How did the Arkansas/Michigan series get cancelled? Was that on BB?
I thought Michigan did it to get ND back
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and since most of the helmets are in the SEC...........
the SEC big boys aren't going north of the Mason/Dixon to play in a college stadium - regardless
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MSU just had one with Oregon too, those are the attainable ones. As for "helmets." I mean 2-4 of them are in the conference. So if you mean Alabama, Texas, USC, yeah, those aren't happening.
He mentioned UW has one coming up with VT. Those I think are the best any of us can hope for. You have OSU-Oklahoma and Texas-USC. But those are helmets against each other. They largely aren't scheduling them otherwise anymore, period.
Oklahoma has some big OOC opponents scheduled for home-and-home series over the next decade-plus.
2018: UCLA
2019: @ UCLA
2020: Tennessee
2021: Nebraska
2022: @ Nebraska
2023: TBD. I hope for a neutral-site game vs. Notre Dame. Maybe at JerrahWorld.
2024: @ Tennessee
2025: Michigan
2026: @ Michigan
2027: LSU
2028: @ LSU
2029: Nebraska
2030: @ Nebraska
So some helmet programs are still scheduling big opponents in home-and-home series. In addition to the schools on that list, Ohio State, Texas, and USC schedule home-and-homes with big schools. And Notre Dame does so as well.
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Doesn't look to be any room on OU's schedule for Big Red any time soon. Bummer.
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have the King grab that 2031 & 2032 slot before it's gone and before the King retires
maybe Barry don't care for the stinkin Sooners?
Barry's 3 seasons playing LB at UNL
1966 lost to the Sooners in Norman 9-10
1967 lost to the Sooners in Lincoln 14-21
1968 lost to the Sooners in Norman 0-47
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Or maybe he just knows that they will be in the conference soon anyway, with Kansas or something.
He controls everything, like making sure the Oregon State job opened up so his coach would leave and he could get the one he really wanted. You know, stuff like that.
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Do any big time programs schedule home and homes anymore? Maybe a decade ago there was some of that fear of the no win scenario keeping teams away, but seems like those types of series have all but disappeared. Arizona State and Miami are the only P5 programs MSU has home and homes with coming up off the top of my head.
Won't speak for anyone else, but Texas just finished a home-and-home with Notre Dame, is currently halfway through a home-and-home with USC, and has upcoming home-and-homes scheduled with Ohio State, Michigan, and LSU over the next decade.
The Horns have also recently played home-and-home series against BYU, UCLA and Cal-Berkeley, and are in the midst of a home-and-home with Maryland, all of which are P5(ish), so it's not just helmets that Texas is scheduling. But, it's certainly NOT Wisconsin, that's for sure! :)
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I wish he would have had more control over Shawn Eichorst coming back to the Big Ten
Barry probably gave Doc Tom a heads up, but Doc Tom didn't get a say in that decision
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Won't speak for anyone else, but Texas just finished a home-and-home with Notre Dame, is currently halfway through a home-and-home with USC, and has upcoming home-and-homes scheduled with Ohio State, Michigan, and LSU over the next decade.
those Big 12 programs ain't skeered
heck, the Huskers were probably still in the 12 when they scheduled Oregon, Miami, UCLA, Washington, & Tennessee
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those Big 12 programs ain't skeered
heck, the Huskers were probably still in the 12 when they scheduled Oregon, Miami, UCLA, Washington, & Tennessee
Nebraska and OU both have typically had some really great OOC schedules. Always lots of fun seeing the helmets teake each other on, and way MORE fun when it's a home-and-home. The one-offs aren't only lame because they're played in sterile lifeless NFL stadiums with zero home crowd pageantry, but they also eliminate the chance for revenge/paybacks. It's often tougher to beat a team twice in two years, than it is just the once. Generates more fan and national interest, too.
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Besides the OU series planned, they have home and homes with Colorado and Tennessee coming up. That Tenn series was supposed to be 10yrs ago, and they switched it for VT, which I think was supposed to be VT v UW.
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I would pay good money to see the horns or sooners in Madison.
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those Big 12 programs ain't skeered
heck, the Huskers were probably still in the 12 when they scheduled Oregon, Miami, UCLA, Washington, & Tennessee
UNL still has cache when it comes to OOC games.
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I'm hoping their next coach can do some serious winning and keep the cache going
whipping the Sooners in 4 or 5 years would help
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I would pay good money to see the horns or sooners in Madison.
This is how I feel. Unfortunately some in the SEC (*cough* Alabama, Florida, LSU) will only agree to neutral site games. Lame. Not a fan of the neutral site game.
I give Georgia lotta credit for scheduling ND and going into Souh Bend. You'd never see Alabama do that.
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This is how I feel. Unfortunately some in the SEC (*cough* Alabama, Florida, LSU) will only agree to neutral site games. Lame. Not a fan of the neutral site game.
I give Georgia lotta credit for scheduling ND and going into Souh Bend. You'd never see Alabama do that.
Maybe the Georgia fans will go back to SEC country and spread the word about road trips to the homes of great opponents.
OU fans loved their trips to South Bend back in 2012, to Knoxville in 2014, and to Columbus in 2016. And, of course, the return visits from the Irish, Vols, and Buckeyes.
I'd like to travel to Lincoln in 2022. I've never been there, despite OU and Nebraska being conference-mates from 1921 to 2010.
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likewise, I'm planning to attend the 2021 game in Norman, have not been there for a game
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I'm definitely returning to Norman in 2021. A close friend from law school is high up in the Admin, we've been talking about it already. i haven't been to Norman since....'97 Nebraska game. One of those low scoring 1st halves that ended up 73-21.
anyways, back to this one folks. The last time I saw Michigan play was in Madison, way back, maybe '01. UW special teams gaffes handed the game to Michigan.
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Do any big time programs schedule home and homes anymore? Maybe a decade ago there was some of that fear of the no win scenario keeping teams away, but seems like those types of series have all but disappeared. Arizona State and Miami are the only P5 programs MSU has home and homes with coming up off the top of my head.
Iowa does the NFL stadium thing with . . . Northern Illinois occasionally . . . but that is NIU's home stadium.
Oh, and Iowa continues to schedule Iowa State home and home, or I call it home and away. Say what you want, but I am trying to add humor to the discussion. Iowa State is trying to add seriousness, at least this year. What NFL stadium would Iowa and Iowa State play in? Maybe Madison, wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? I am thinking Green Bay should play at Camp Randall once a year.
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The Packers used to play an exhibition game in Madison every year if I remember right. They also played 2-3 regular season games in Milwaukee County Stadium up until the mid-1990's.
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Back to the topic at hand, I heard Rick Neuheisel say something yesterday that I had already been thinking.
He said he though Michigan was "rounding into form" at just the right time and that he would not be surprised to see them win their final two games.
It would not surprise me in the least, since it is a formula that I have seen MANY times be successful. Solid run game, great defense, and a QB that is asked to not make mistakes. Sound familiar to tressel fans?
Wouldn't it be weird if Michigan won out, but so did PSU and MSU. The BIG championship game would be contested by Ohio State and Wisconsin, the two teams Michigan had just beaten. :smiley_confused1:
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Turnover margin. Field position. That is the game. With 20-30 MPH winds forecast, it's gonna be hard to throw with any consistency, and we know it's hard to run on either of these defenses.
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I guess the closest thing to "big time" for UW right now is the Virginia Tech series in a few years. Who knows what WSU will be when the time comes. That's the trouble with scheduling so far out. UW is getting burned right now with BYU. They suck, but they were really good when the games were scheduled.
I just looked and UW travels to USF next season. It's a return trip for the 2014 game USF played in Madison. That could be interesting as Strong has them playing pretty well right now.
It's also a recruiting trip...
Ahh the white whale of the VT series. One of the games was supposed to be in Madison in 2008, but Barry thought they had a contender on their hands, so they pushed it back and ended up with one of the most embarrassing games (most embarrassing win) in recent memory.
I thought that had been delayed before, but could be wrong.
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Ahh the white whale of the VT series. One of the games was supposed to be in Madison in 2008, but Barry thought they had a contender on their hands, so they pushed it back and ended up with one of the most embarrassing games (most embarrassing win) in recent memory.
I thought that had been delayed before, but could be wrong.
2008, or was it 2007?
I thought it was BB who wanted to postpone it. He did not like to play tough OOC games.
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Oklahoma has some big OOC opponents scheduled for home-and-home series over the next decade-plus.
2018: UCLA
2019: @ UCLA
2020: Tennessee
2021: Nebraska
2022: @ Nebraska
2023: TBD. I hope for a neutral-site game vs. Notre Dame. Maybe at JerrahWorld.
2024: @ Tennessee
2025: Michigan
2026: @ Michigan
2027: LSU
2028: @ LSU
2029: Nebraska
2030: @ Nebraska
So some helmet programs are still scheduling big opponents in home-and-home series. In addition to the schools on that list, Ohio State, Texas, and USC schedule home-and-homes with big schools. And Notre Dame does so as well.
I said they seem to be ok scheduling them against each other. Like we saw OSU-Oklahoma and Texas-USC this year. UM dumped Arkansas to get ND back. I don't doubt Oklahoma would schedule them with OSU, UM, Tennessee, Nebraska, etc..., it's getting them to schedule them with non helmet P5 schools that has seemingly dropped off. The neutral site only thing seems to be more of an SEC thing.
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I said they seem to be ok scheduling them against each other. Like we saw OSU-Oklahoma and Texas-USC this year. UM dumped Arkansas to get ND back. I don't doubt Oklahoma would schedule them with OSU, UM, Tennessee, Nebraska, etc..., it's getting them to schedule them with non helmet P5 schools that has seemingly dropped off. The neutral site only thing seems to be more of an SEC thing.
Yeah, that's why I noted UT's games against UCLA, Cal-Berkeley, Maryland, BYU, over the past 6-8 years. We've also played Ole Miss within that span.
In fact, going back to 2012 and through 2018, Texas has played two P5 teams OOC every single year, if we're counting BYU and ND as P5-type teams. That's 7 straight years of playing 11 P5 teams every single year. Sadly, it's all been during a miserable down-period for the Horns, but I still like the scheduling practices. Makes the season more interesting.
Anyway, back to the game at hand, I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan wins it, but I have a feeling Wisconsin is going to pull it out.
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Back to the topic at hand, I heard Rick Neuheisel say something yesterday that I had already been thinking.
He said he though Michigan was "rounding into form" at just the right time and that he would not be surprised to see them win their final two games.
It would not surprise me in the least, since it is a formula that I have seen MANY times be successful. Solid run game, great defense, and a QB that is asked to not make mistakes. Sound familiar to tressel fans?
Wouldn't it be weird if Michigan won out, but so did PSU and MSU. The BIG championship game would be contested by Ohio State and Wisconsin, the two teams Michigan had just beaten. :smiley_confused1:
Assuming that Ohio State beats Illinois this weekend it would only need to be PSU OR MSU winning out to put the Buckeyes in the B1GCG. Assuming that Ohio State beats Illinois and Michigan wins out both would finish 7-2 in conference. Either PSU or MSU could join them in that tie (by also winning out). Here are how the tiebreakers would work:
- 2-way tie (tOSU and Michigan): Michigan wins based on H2H
- 3-way tie (tOSU, Michigan, and Penn State): Ohio State wins based on divisional record
- 3-way tie (tOSU, Michigan, and Michigan State): Ohio State wins based on divisional record (eliminates Michigan) then H2H
- 4-way tie (tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State: Ohio State wins based on H2H2H2H (eliminates PSU and M) then H2H
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2008, or was it 2007?
I thought it was BB who wanted to postpone it. He did not like to play tough OOC games.
My brain says 2008. Because they would've had VT (can't recall where) at Mich, OSU, PSU, at Iowa all in a row. That team was preseason 13 and rose to 9 with a seasoned group. Then they lost that whole stretch anyway, including the debacle in the Big House.
The reason I think 2008 is because they had to fill in with a Nov. 22 FCS buy game. Caught a strong Cal Poly team and needed EVERY break to escape with a 1-point OT win. BB told the sideline reporter "See, I told folks they were good."
Man what a trash year that was.
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My brain says 2008. Because they would've had VT (can't recall where) at Mich, OSU, PSU, at Iowa all in a row. That team was preseason 13 and rose to 9 with a seasoned group. Then they lost that whole stretch anyway, including the debacle in the Big House.
The reason I think 2008 is because they had to fill in with a Nov. 22 FCS buy game. Caught a strong Cal Poly team and needed EVERY break to escape with a 1-point OT win. BB told the sideline reporter "See, I told folks they were good."
Man what a trash year that was.
Yep, you are correct. I remember now that you laid it out.
BB was almost fired that year. As in, REALLY close to it.
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BB threw away the game in EL that year with terrible playcalling late, an unforgivable PF on him, and then calling timeout to "ice" the MSU kicker with the clock running and MSU having no timeouts, giving them time to set up the winning FG. Not his finest game
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Yeah, that's why I noted UT's games against UCLA, Cal-Berkeley, Maryland, BYU, over the past 6-8 years. We've also played Ole Miss within that span.
In fact, going back to 2012 and through 2018, Texas has played two P5 teams OOC every single year, if we're counting BYU and ND as P5-type teams. That's 7 straight years of playing 11 P5 teams every single year. Sadly, it's all been during a miserable down-period for the Horns, but I still like the scheduling practices. Makes the season more interesting.
Anyway, back to the game at hand, I wouldn't be shocked if Michigan wins it, but I have a feeling Wisconsin is going to pull it out.
very envious of this. wish Michigan would have done more of this. They did neutral site games with Florida and Alabama but neutral site games are lame as hell. I am all for eliminating neutral site games, forcing teams to quit playing FCS, and forcing them to play at least 1 opponent from another P5 every year. Makes things way more interesting.
As for the game at hand, I agree with your assessment. Wisconsin will win this one. Frosh QB playing that nasty Wisconsin defense in their house? Going to be a tough game for Michigan.
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I think it's going to be a tough, hard-fought game. Should be a lot of fun to watch. I believe it's on at the same time as my game, so I'll have to go to double-TVs to catch them both.
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This is gonna be a defensive slugfest. Whoever hits a few key passes on offense and takes care of the football will win the game. And I think that team will be Wisconsin. Peters hasn't thrown an INT yet. Which is BAD juju to me. Kinda wish he'd have gotten those INT's out of his system way before this game. Hindsight is 20/20, but it was probably a huge mistake to go with O'Korn after Speight got hurt. Should've went with Peters, just kept getting him experience and grooming him for the future. He would've been battle tested had he gotten time against MSU and PSU. He's walking into something he's never experienced now. Wisconsin is an entirely different animal than a half against Rutgers and games against Maryland and Minnesota.
I don't see either team running wild, both defenses are stout up front. Not sure Wisconsin has the WR's and passing game to really abuse Michigan's safeties Tyree Kinnel and Josh Mettellus in man coverage, but there will be plenty of opportunities there for the Wisconsin WR's on safeties in man coverage because.....Don Brown LOVES man coverage. Probably loves it a little bit too much. He puts his safeties in man to man coverage a lot. And both of them kinda struggle at it. As you'd expect...there's a reason they play safety and not CB.
The Penn State game scared me half to death because of Barkley's receiving ability. Don Brown LOVES man coverage. He put slow ass 6'4, 240+ pound LB Mike McCray in man coverage on Barkley. Never made an adjustment there. Just manned McCray up on Barkley in pass coverage. And it did not go well. Complete lunacy. Whoever is Wisconsin best pass catching RB......that's the match-up that I'd look for if I was the Wisconsin OC. Get the RB on a pass route in space in man coverage on Mike McCray on a wheel route- it's a guaranteed big play and you can go to that well as much as you like because Brown probably ain't going to adjust it and Mike McCray sure as hell ain't gonna cover it. He's too slow. He's a 6'4, 240+ banger. His game is going down hill, stuffing the run, rushing the QB. He can't cover in space like at all.
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Michigan will probably see a lot of 3 TE sets in this game. I'm sure they are practicing against it this week since they do it all the time too...
The best pass catcher out of the backfield is probably Chris James, but Taylor can do it too. Screens scare the hell out of me with Horni though.
Both offenses see great defenses every week in practice. I don't think anyone is going to freak out.
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Michigan will probably see a lot of 3 TE sets in this game. I'm sure they are practicing against it this week since they do it all the time too...
The best pass catcher out of the backfield is probably Chris James, but Taylor can do it too. Screens scare the hell out of me with Horni though.
Both offenses see great defenses every week in practice. I don't think anyone is going to freak out.
I don't think anyone will be freaking out...Peters seems like a level headed player, I like his demeanor as QB- nothing- if it's going well or bad- nothing. He seems like a cool customer. But I wouldn't be shocked if Peters loses some confidence and has a rough out. In fact, I'm expecting that to be the case. That's a tough environment and that's a top 5 defense and it's his first real road test and he's a freshman. He hasn't really been prepped for anything like this in live action. He didn't get to play against MSU, Florida, or Penn State. He's played 2.5 games against pretty average teams in Rutgers, Minnesota, and Maryland, and Harbaugh has hidden the QB. They've been so conservative and he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot. To his credit though he was actually executing, unlike O'Korn who was just god awful at everything save for an incredible half against Purdue.
I was talking more about sending the RB's in actual passing routes out of the backfield or even putting them into motion and lining 'em up at slot WR to expose McCray in man coverage. If Wisconsin has a back that can do that- they better use him because that works like magic against this defense. Screens also work great against this style of attacking, aggressive defense that blitzes a lot. MSU scored one of their two TD's against this defense off a screen if I'm remembering correctly. Perfect play-call actually, Michigan was blitzing and MSU caught them with their pants down.
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I was at that Cal Poly game. Freezing. Tons of empties, due to deer season and the opponent. Cal Poly missed 3 Pats, totally gagged that game. They had one very elite WR target w a funny name and more or less ran an option based offense.
Edit: The WR was Ramses Barden, who it turns out was a 3rd round pick of the Giants, and had a few cups of coffee in the league before blowing up his ankle. He was 6-6, and I remember him manhandling DBs and a few catches in that game at Camp Randall.
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I've said this before, but one of the few redeeming qualities of the Dave Brandon era is that he set up all these great non-con series with Washington, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma for the next 10 years (Notre Dame replaced Arkansas for the next two years, which I definitely favor now, considering the Irish are good and the Razorbacks are not)..... He also scheduled some good guarantee games (2015 BYU / Oregon State, 2016 Colorado / UCF / Hawaii, 2017 Air Force & Cincinnati should've been better).
As for this game, the Michigan passing game is the biggest wildcard, still....
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Yep, you are correct. I remember now that you laid it out.
BB was almost fired that year. As in, REALLY close to it.
He nearly earned it. A friend was at the student paper at the time and said his petulance and arrogance in press conferences was amazing.
But credit to him, he straightened up and flew somewhat right the next year. Said more of the right things. More importantly delivered the perfect "get me off the hot seat" year. He went an unspectacular 10-3, lost to good teams, didn't get upset (give or take at Northwestern) and sent everyone home happy with a nice solid bowl win to wrap things.
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BB threw away the game in EL that year with terrible playcalling late, an unforgivable PF on him, and then calling timeout to "ice" the MSU kicker with the clock running and MSU having no timeouts, giving them time to set up the winning FG. Not his finest game
That game was artistry. UW's defense was just nails that day, and they did so effing much to give away hidden yards.
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I was at that Cal Poly game. Freezing. Tons of empties, due to deer season and the opponent. Cal Poly missed 3 Pats, totally gagged that game. They had one very elite WR target w a funny name and more or less ran an option based offense.
Edit: The WR was Ramses Barden, who it turns out was a 3rd round pick of the Giants, and had a few cups of coffee in the league before blowing up his ankle. He was 6-6, and I remember him manhandling DBs and a few catches in that game at Camp Randall.
Was about to say it was Barden. Had 1,257 yards, 67 catches and 18 TDs that year, including 6 for 83 and a TD in the Camp.
And that wasn't more or less an option based offense. That was a pure flexbone triple option beauty. QB runs just murdered UW. Gave up 276 yards on the ground despite not allowing a run longer than 21. The Cal Poly coach parlayed that year into the Army job, where he went to a bowl in Year 2 and then bottomed out. Badgers only won because they started leaning on Cal Poly and wore them down.
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That game was artistry. UW's defense was just nails that day, and they did so effing much to give away hidden yards.
That felt all afternoon like a game MSU was losing by 2-3 scores.
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I was at that MSU game. I was at that Cal-Poly game. And most of the other games.
What a shit year.
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Bucky has been waiting for this one all year. The first 10 games were tense, if only because everyone was telling them, "you better be 10-0 going into Michigan, or else..." but now they get their first big game atmosphere of the season. Has Michigan figured things out with Brandon Peters? He's looked like he deserves the job, which is more than O'Korn ever showed, but he hasn't exactly faced anyone like this. This is a rebuilding year, so while 8-4 isn't terrible, it's still Michigan, and going 0-4 against the only four decent teams you face doesn't really sit right, so for this season to be a success the Wolverines need to win one of these last two...although they'd prefer it be next week. Harbaugh hasn't asked Peters to play outside his comfort zone, and the running game, which has been vastly underrated this year, and shouldered most of the load. The question now is who is going to run the ball? Ty Isaac left the Rutgers game with an injury, and hasn't played since, and Karan Higdon, who has become easily their best back left the Maryland game, although he did practice yesterday. They still have Chris Evans and Kareem Walker, but neither is nearly the complete back that Higdon or Isaac is, and against this defense, you certainly don't want to put it all on Peters. If you want any sympathy for those injuries from Wisconsin fans, you won't get it. The Badgers' injury report is longer than any in the nation outside of Chapel Hill. You wouldn't know it from the way they are playing right now. Last week, against probably the best team they've played all season, Wisconsin steamrolled Iowa 38-14, in a game that was only that "close" due to a pair of pick sixes. They held the Hawkeyes to only 66 total yards...a week after they scored nearly that many POINTS on Ohio State. The fact that Wisconsin's defense is playing this well right now, down this many starters, is downright scary. S&P+ ranks them as the top defense in the entire nation. To have a shot, Michigan has to win first down. Alex Hornibrook is fine when he plays within himself, but when he doesn't...well, two pick sixes last week. Considering nobody is moving the ball on Wisconsin, it's tough tothink that a struggling Michigan offense will be the one to break that streak. So Wisconsin, don't turn the ball over, don't make special teams mistakes. Don Brown is coming after you no matter what, but in this one, there might be a little extra emphasis on trying to force the splash plays, the turnovers, the sacks. It's not going to be enough for the Michigan defense to just stop Wisconsin, they are going to have to set up their offense too. You could tell from last week how ready for a big game Camp Randall was, and this is the one they've been pointing to since last season ended. Michigan probably isn't walking into quite the beehive they did in Happy Valley, and Wisconsin doesn't have the type of personnel to exploit Michigan's lack of athleticism at linebacker like Penn State did, but this Wisconsin team feels even more like a machine than Penn State did prior to the Columbus and East Lansing trips.
WISCONSIN 28, MICHIGAN 17
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There is a school of thought that Michigan is keeping things simple for Peters because he and many of his teammates on offense are young, inexperienced, and just not that good right now being a "rebuilding year." Another theory is that Michigan has not had Peters pass more because they have not had to with the running game working so well. No reason to open up the play book and put new stuff out there for Chryst and Meyer to game plan for. So, this game should shed some light what is going on because a run-dimensional Michigan is not going to beat Wisconsin.
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There is a school of thought that Michigan is keeping things simple for Peters because he and many of his teammates on offense are young, inexperienced, and just not that good right now being a "rebuilding year." Another theory is that Michigan has not had Peters pass more because they have not had to with the running game working so well. No reason to open up the play book and put new stuff out there for Chryst and Meyer to game plan for. So, this game should shed some light what is going on because a run-dimensional Michigan is not going to beat Wisconsin.
It's been pretty obvious to me that both coaches have been holding back this season. We saw some new wrinkles in the offense last week for Iowa and some of them worked. I suspect we'll see some more this week too. Gotta develop a great game plan against Dr. Blitz, after all.
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That felt all afternoon like a game MSU was losing by 2-3 scores.
The Michigan Wisconsin game felt the same way in 08. The most apathetic Michigan crowd I have been with Ann Arbor. The Michael Phelps pregame tailgate we stumbled upon was + though.
By some miracle the Steven Threet read option opened up, and then the tipped interception for Thompson, and the game somehow flipped. With Michigan's offensive mess that season they had no business winning that game, but somehow did.
One of the strangest games I have been to at the Big House.
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According to weather channel there's a 90% chance of precipitation, a mix of rain/snow. Yuck. Not sure who this favors. Probably neither team. Just makes me think passing is going to be at a minimum. Might be a 9-6 type game. Neither team is great at passing, would've been hard enough as it is in perfect weather. Rain/snow/sleet? I'll be surprised if there's 250 yards passing combined for both teams.
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It probably favors UW, to be honest.
UW's front 7 on defense are the equal of UM's front 7. Both are great.
UW has the better OL though, with better tailbacks, fullbacks and tight ends. I'm not saying they will run wild, but they will grind it out and get their yards.
I really hope Biadasz can play. That would be a very nice boost.
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sounds like Michigan CB LaVert Hill still hasn't been cleared from concussion protocol. Meaning- he probably won't play. Weather will minimize passing this game but that's still a blow. Hill is Michigan's best man to man corner and he's played at a high level all year and is one of the rising young stars in the conference.
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I think people too quickly write off passing games in the snow. It hurts the DBs more than anyone. The QB and WRs know when the cuts are happening, the DBs have to react quickly in bad conditions. Good QBs, particularly in systems with a lot of timing routes, thrive in snow. Brady is an absolute killer in snow games.
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I think people too quickly write off passing games in the snow. It hurts the DBs more than anyone. The QB and WRs know when the cuts are happening, the DBs have to react quickly in bad conditions. Good QBs, particularly in systems with a lot of timing routes, thrive in snow. Brady is an absolute killer in snow games.
You're talking about the greatest QB ever who has mastered one of the most complex timing systems there is with all kinds of option routes on top of option routes lol. Both of these offenses are pretty basic bitch compared to that. I think that weather helps a guy at that level for sure.
Every other QB? The mere mortals? I think it probably hurts them. These QBs playing this game are a far cry from Tom Brady lol. He gets that huge advantage in that kind of weather because of his incredible wealth of knowledge and his absolute precision. 95% of the time he knows where to go with the ball before the ball is even snapped.
I just feel like the weather is going to be a hindrance to QBs like Honinbrook and Peters.
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catching the ball in poor weather is helped by the passer hitting the receiver in the hands with a more "catchable" ball
really need touch and accuracy on the pass to give the receiver the best chance to make the catch
most college QBs just aren't that good
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most college QBs just aren't that good
ain't that the truth lol.
Michigan went on an extremely fortunate run of really good QB play from like 1990 to 2007. Elvis Grbac then Todd Collins then Scott Dreisbach for like a year and a quarter of a season but injuries derailed his career and Brian Griese took over- then Brady/Henson, then John Navarre then Chad Henne.
Haven't really had good QB play since. Grbac was drafted by the NFL in the 8th round back in '93- Collins in the 2nd round few years after, Griese in the 3rd, Brady famously in the 6th, Henson in the 6th even though he quit football- he probably would've been the #1 overall pick had he picked football over baseball and played his final year at Michigan- Navarre in the 6th, and Henne in the 2nd round. Ryan Mallett would've been the heir apparent- he was the back-up to Henne in 2007 and started 3-4 games when Henne went down. RichRod got hired, Mallett transferred and the rest is history. Mallett was a locker room problem, lot of rumors his freshman year that his teammates didn't like him- and as everyone saw off-field problems caused him to fall to the 3rd round in his draft and cost him an opportunity to be a starting QB for the Texans. Great arm talent, just a complete dipshit of a person though.
17-18 straight years of really good NFL draftable QB play. Haven't had a QB since. One year stop gap of Jake Rudock was the best QB play they've had in that time span. Pretty remarkable when you think about how far it's fallen.
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Right or wrong, UW's last three starting QB's are on NFL rosters. One of them is pretty good at it.
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Right or wrong, UW's last three starting QB's are on NFL rosters. One of them is pretty good at it.
I'd say Wilson is more than pretty good, and he should've been drafted a lot higher than he was. He keeps on this trajectory he'll be in the HOF and go down as one of the all-time greats.
I know Tolzien is one of those and he wasn't drafted, I have no idea how the hell he's managed to stick around in the NFL because he's terrible, the Colts were like OK we need a real back-up QB so they traded for Jacoby Brissett. No idea who the other one is.
Side-tracking here- but for the life of me I don't get why NFL teams don't draft/develop real back-up QB's. Patriots seem to be the only freaking team in the entire league that does it.
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Scotty is like having an assistant coach on staff. That's why he's still around. He will be a QB coach soon enough, in the mold of Geep and Paul Chryst.
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the NFL is a QB driven league, it's stupidly obvious
don't understand why more GMs have no clue
you wanna win championships in the NFL?
#1. get yourself a franchise QB - yes, I know there aren't enough to go around, GET ONE
#2. protect your franchise QB like Belichick. Build a pass blocking O-line and keep RBs and TEs in to block if needed
#3. get yourself a serviceable backup QB, not many starters play all 16 games each season
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If the NFL wants better QB's out of college...
The NFL can start a minor league. All better for all.
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The early start time has cost UW 2 West Coast visitors to cancel so far.
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night games are $$$ for recruiting
I'm in favor of UNL playing all night games, for that reason
if you are Urban or Jimmy or James, and have recruits lining up at the door, it's no big deal
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They all assumed a 2:30 or 3PM start. The have games tonight so going today is not an option.
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Rooting for Wisconsin - I think one of their keys to victory should be ball security. If they avoid turnovers, I think the Badgers have the edge on Saturday. Michigan looks like they are working up to a big effort, so mistakes/turnovers could decide everything.
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The early start time has cost UW 2 West Coast visitors to cancel so far.
I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal out of the 11 AM CST kickoff? The B1G practically invented that start time. Tons of B1G games have been played at 11 AM over the past three decades of "big-time-TV" football. ESPN and ESPN2 have often had two different B1G games at 11 AM. 11 AM is also ABC's official "national" time slot, while 2:30 is considered the regional timeslot, although that has changed somewhat with their capability to reverse mirror onto ESPN channels when they desire.
Regardless, 11 AM is a very common start time for B1G games, so I'm not sure why you'd single that out for this one?
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Regardless, 11 AM is a very common start time for B1G games, so I'm not sure why you'd single that out for this one?
No kidding. But in this case especially, the start time greatly favors the visitors (your t-shirt faves.. grrr...) and it also limits recruiting visits for such a big game.
Last weekend and this weekend are the biggest visitor lists for UW.
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No kidding. But in this case especially, the start time greatly favors the visitors (your t-shirt faves.. grrr...) and it also limits recruiting visits for such a big game.
Last weekend and this weekend are the biggest visitor lists for UW.
I hear ya. I absolutely loathe 11 AM starts. But ever since they became the ABC national timeslot 12 or 13 years ago, we've had quite a few of them.
I just know that it's been a quite common start time for B1G games so wasn't certain why this is any different than all the other 11 AM kicks.
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11am games are rough, but those TV boys know their numbers - $$$$
9am in Vegas and the left coast - must not have a big effect on numbers
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If the NFL wants better QB's out of college...
The NFL can start a minor league. All better for all.
Dilly-Dilly
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I hear ya. I absolutely loathe 11 AM starts. But ever since they became the ABC national timeslot 12 or 13 years ago, we've had quite a few of them.
I just know that it's been a quite common start time for B1G games so wasn't certain why this is any different than all the other 11 AM kicks.
When I was attending games I loved the early starts. I don't drink before games so the tailgate is just long enough and then you get to come back after the game (hopefully a win) and enjoy the rest of the day. You also don't develop a hangover at halftime...
That said, I've seen the big games against (B1G only) helmets at night in Camp Randall. Helmets don't like night games in Camp Randall for a reason. It's hard.
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11am games are rough, but those TV boys know their numbers - $$$$
9am in Vegas and the left coast - must not have a big effect on numbers
It doesn't. West Coasters don't watch football, and degenerate gamblers will gamble at any hour.
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When I was attending games I loved the early starts. I don't drink before games so the tailgate is just long enough and then you get to come back after the game (hopefully a win) and enjoy the rest of the day. You also don't develop a hangover at halftime...
That said, I've seen the big games against (B1G only) helmets at night in Camp Randall. Helmets don't like night games in Camp Randall for a reason. It's hard.
2:30 is my favorite start time, except for September games in Texas. For those, 7 PM is the ideal kickoff.
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It doesn't. West Coasters don't watch football, and degenerate gamblers will gamble at any hour.
The casinos are indeed an interesting dynamic.
Where else can you see a guy enthusiastically celebrate a BYU win with a gigantic round of Tequila?
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The casinos are indeed an interesting dynamic.
Where else can you see a guy enthusiastically celebrate a BYU win with a gigantic round of Tequila?
Tough to find a time to do that this year.
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looks like they've won two of their last three.
Up next: UMass.
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That said, I've seen the big games against (B1G only) helmets at night in Camp Randall. Helmets don't like night games in Camp Randall for a reason. It's hard.
dern you and the Badgers! ;)
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Michigan rising star CB LaVert Hill out for the game. It's officially official according to the internets boards that is. That's a pretty big blow because- he's really good and has the potential to be an NFL draft pick at CB.
Pro Football Focus just posted this graphic on their twitters about CB's who give up the lowest passer ratings when targeted. Michigan has two CB's in there top 5 in LaVert Hill (true soph.) and David Long (RS Frosh). Both of these guys had the recruiting hype/profile in 2016 that made you think they might be pretty good. Certain positions I think the rankings are next to worthless (see offensive line) other positions- I think they can be pretty good indicators- like CB. A lot of these CB's get their rankings by going to the camps/combines posting great workout times or locking receivers down in man coverage in 7on7's. Probably the one position where the rankings translate best IMO.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOyMQPLU8AIsBtf.jpg
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Michigan rising star CB LaVert Hill out for the game. It's officially official according to the internets boards that is. That's a pretty big blow because- he's really good and has the potential to be an NFL draft pick at CB.
Losing Hill is a blow against a good game TJ Barrett might have next week, but not against a run-first Wisconsin who I think the LBs will play a more important role in dictating Hornibrook's passing.
But time to throw down my prediction:
Tomorrow's Michigan defense, the best the Badgers have seen in the Chryst era, plays lights out, commits to stop the run, and causes turnovers in the process. The one touchdown of the game results from a forced fumble deep in the Wisconsin red zone.
16-9 Michigan over Wisconsin.
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6 FGs?
sweet!
I just hope it's the Badgers with the lone TD - off a turnover
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Here's hoping Badge's theory about how teams perform the week after playing Wisconsin holds true.
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I'll go 19-13, Big Red.
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everybody likes the 6 FG pick!
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that sniveling little douche nozzle no-nothing blowhard f**tard Colin Cowherd picks Michigan over Wisconsin. Congrats Wisconsin. Already thought you'd win before I heard this terrible news, but this seals it.
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Very good win for Big Red. Tough, tough game. Both teams are gonna be sore tomorrow and maybe until Thursday.
I hope Peters is OK. Sounds like they are looking at him at UW Hospital now, so he's in a good place at least.
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everybody likes the 6 FG pick!
I was thinking more 2 touchdowns, a FG and a safety for UW.
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Honibrook and Wisconsin took it up a notch late in the 3rd. Michigan did not. Wisconsin is a scary team when Honibrook is dropping dimes. When he's bad- he's bad. When he's good- he's pretty darn good. He was up and down that game- key for him is consistency and ball security and that Wisconsin team is a legit playoff contender because that RB is damn good and that defense is tough, physical, and smart. Congrats to Wisconsin.
Braylon Edwards being a dick on twitter....about O'Korn....
Get Okorn out of there. Geez Louise
Wtf approved his scholarship and transfer????????
— Braylon Edwards (@OfficialBraylon) November 18, 2017 (https://twitter.com/OfficialBraylon/status/931983728024408064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
it's one thing for an anonymous fan on the internets to post something like that on twitter or a message board- but as a former all-time great player- to get on social media and trash a current player? Wow. Still see that douche hasn't grown up.
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sounds like Peters had a head injury. Shoulder is ok. Thought for sure that left collarbone he landed on was broken. That would've been really bad because it would've meant he'd miss bowl practices and it could've potentially maybe even affected him in spring practices, and those series of practices are going to be huge for his development going into his sophomore year.
Never know with head/concussion injuries- Peters could play next week against Ohio State if he clears concussion protocol. I don't think I risk it though and push him back. Not with that lack of pass protection. Put O'Korn on a tight leash and if he starts to really blow chunks and turn it over in droves give Malzone a shot.
Makes zero sense to rush Peters back or burn McCaffrey's redshirt- that Offensive line is offensive in pass protection and could get one of those two hurt. It's not just the line though, it's the RB's and TE's as well. They don't know who the F to identify to block and mix shit up and miss assignments so much it's frightening. I have never seen an offensive line let another team have so many free rushers and blow so many passing assignments. That to me screams coaching. These guys are not on the same page and being coached very well in pass protection.