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Title: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa 49, #22 USC 24 (Postgame)
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
HOLIDAY BOWL
#16 Iowa Hawkeyes (9-3) vs. #22 USC Trojans (8-4)
December 27 @ 8:00 - San Diego, CA - FS1
This will be the 10th all-time meeting between the Hawkeyes and Trojans, although they've never played in the Rose Bowl.  Their last match up was in the 2003 Orange Bowl at the end of a 2002 season where both programs announced their return to college football relevancy at least, and dominance at times.  It certainly has a different feel this time.  In 2002 Kirk Ferentz planted his flag, attempting to replace Barry Alvarez as the Big Ten's top challenger to the big two.  A 4th year head coach, who would be linked to NFL jobs and helmet college jobs for several more years.  Now he is the dean of FBS coaches, in his 21st season in Iowa City.  Hell, his son, who was a freshman on that 2002 team, is in his 8th year on Iowa's staff.  USC, used that as a jumping off point for a 7 year run where they went 79-7, won 7 consecutive Pac 10 titles, 2 National Championships, and never finished the season ranked lower than #4 in the AP Poll.  Now, they are on their 4th coach since Pete, and one of those coaches (Ed Orgeron), is closer to winning a national championship than USC is.  The fact that Clay Helton is returning next year has to be a bit of a surprise.  He did open with a pair of New Years Six Bowls, but went 5-7 last year, hasn't yet won the conference, and is primed to deliver USC's worst rated recruiting class in the 247 era, after recruiting was supposed to be his thing.  The Iowa pass defense was probably second only to Ohio State within the Big Ten, but they haven't faced a passing attack like this.  The Trojans are both efficient, and dangerous downfield.  Freshman Kedon Slovis was never supposed to see the field this year, and early on just relied on a group of receivers that I would put up against Alabama or Clemson's.  But he really came on as the season progress, finished the year 5th in the nation in completion percentage, and 13th in QBR.  He threw for over 400 yards and 4 touchdowns in 4 of the Trojan's final 5 games, including averaging 451 ypg on 11.2 ypa (78.5%) with 12 touchdowns and 1 interception.  None of those targets are skipping the bowl either, most surprisingly Michael Pittman.  Pittman is a borderline 1st/2nd round talent, who couldn't have closed the year any stronger, with 37 receptions, 430 yards, and 3 touchdowns during that 3 game winning streak.  USC probably won't run the ball once, but with Graham Harrell calling the plays now, it doesn't appear like that matters to him.  The Hawkeyes' best chance is to win the turnover battle.  Aside from the losses to Michigan and Penn State, Iowa did a good job protecting the ball, while USC was in the bottom 10 nationally at -0.6 per game. 
USC 24, IOWA 23

Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: Hawkinole on December 19, 2019, 12:47:06 AM
The very end of your analysis is where I have been on this game. Iowa is not a great turnover team. But if it can win the turnover battle Iowa can remain in the game and could defeat USC. But, I am not expecting an Iowa win. Your analysis is about right. It could come down to the kicking game, but I suspect Iowa's kicking game only helps keep them in the game.

Iowa's Aussie punter punts best in warm weather, so I am expecting a big game from him. And, if it comes down to a late-game kick, Keith Duncan, who should have been the Lou Groza award winner, could help. I suspect the USC offense will prevail more than other teams have against Iowa, and that Nate Stanley will give his usual inconsistent performance with some drives making him appear unstoppable, and others petering out completely.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 08:25:54 AM
It's an interesting matchup, I think.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: LittlePig on December 20, 2019, 12:56:30 AM
Legendary Iowa coach Hayden Fry passed away this week.  Although present Iowa players weren't even alive when Fry coached, his legacy is well known, and Kirk Ferentz certainly remembers, being a Fry assistant at Iowa for 8 years. 

It will be interesting to see how Iowa plays homage to Fry during the Holiday Bowl.  Maybe all the coaches can wear white pants.  Maybe in addition to the ANF sticker on Iowa helmets, they could have another sticker that says JHF.  Maybe they could have a play where the TE is standing up at the LOS.

There are so many Iowa traditions that started with Fry.  The Tiger Hawk logo on the helmets.  The swarm when coming out on the field.  The pink lvistor locker rooms at Kinnick.  I could go on and on.

RIP Hayden.  Your legacy at Iowa will last forever.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 07:51:19 AM

It will be interesting to see how Iowa plays homage to Fry during the Holiday Bowl.  Maybe all the coaches can wear sunglasses
FIFY
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: fezzador on December 20, 2019, 08:36:47 AM
FIFY
Too Ditka.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 20, 2019, 10:15:42 AM
My bet is Iowa's tribute will be very similar to the Texas tribute to Darrell Royal. Come out in 2-2 formation, TE's standing up. Hold the formation, take a delay of game, USC declines. And then move on with the game.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
That would be some kind of awesome.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: FearlessF on December 20, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
that would be cool
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: utee94 on December 20, 2019, 10:28:13 AM
Agree that would be a cool tribute.  RIP Coach Fry.

Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
My bet is Iowa's tribute will be very similar to the Texas tribute to Darrell Royal. Come out in 2-2 formation, TE's standing up. Hold the formation, take a delay of game, USC declines. And then move on with the game.
Hell, run the damn play!
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: Abba on December 20, 2019, 11:16:49 AM
Hell, run the damn play!
Yeah, that would be a fun little thing for the players to work on during bowl practice.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
I hope Kaptain Kirk remembers that playing in the ocean and jet ski riding is not the way to prepare for USC. It didn't work in Miami and it won't work here.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 20, 2019, 02:08:01 PM
I hope Kaptain Kirk remembers that playing in the ocean and jet ski riding is not the way to prepare for USC. It didn't work in Miami and it won't work here.
Their bowl prep has evolved a lot over the years, but the biggest changes came after that Orange Bowl.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
Their bowl prep has evolved a lot over the years, but the biggest changes came after that Orange Bowl.
So when people cared about bowls, he didn't, and now that nobody does...he does.

Talk about zigging when others are zagging.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: Abba on December 20, 2019, 04:39:07 PM
I think when you have a team like that year's Iowa team though, you have to take it more seriously.  That was the best Iowa team I've ever seen (I started watching football in 1993).  That should've been a great bowl game, but it was a dud.  This 9-3 team is a nice, but very forgettable team.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 05:03:33 PM
That's why I think that MSU-Baylor game was so fun, as far as these NY6 games go, neither program was in a place where they were going to take that game anything but 100% seriously.

If Virginia wasn't bad, I think the Orange Bowl could have that flavor this year, instead, I think the Rose Bowl will be the best of the 4
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 22, 2019, 11:03:55 PM
The more threatening USC fans are in a hissy tizzy about Clay staying and are promising to not attend.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 22, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
My bet is Iowa's tribute will be very similar to the Texas tribute to Darrell Royal. Come out in 2-2 formation, TE's standing up. Hold the formation, take a delay of game, USC declines. And then move on with the game.
What is the 2-2 formation?
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 22, 2019, 11:37:52 PM
Their bowl prep has evolved a lot over the years, but the biggest changes came after that Orange Bowl.
What's the story behind this?
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 22, 2019, 11:45:13 PM
What is the 2-2 formation?
22 personnel I assume is what he means?  2 backs, 2 tight ends.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 23, 2019, 06:29:20 PM
22 personnel I assume is what he means?  2 backs, 2 tight ends.
Yep, a case of translating wishbone formation to 22 personal, and typing too quickly.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 23, 2019, 06:31:00 PM
What's the story behind this?
Most notably, Kirk allowed everyone to go home for Christmas and then fly into Miami on their own. That was nixed immediately.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 23, 2019, 06:36:49 PM
So when people cared about bowls, he didn't, and now that nobody does...he does.

Talk about zigging when others are zagging.
Not really what I'm saying. It definitely wasn't a linear progression where he didn't care at all in 2002 and is obsessed today.

His balance of opponent prep/ underclassmen development/ player reward has ebbed and flowed throughout the years. Determining his current philosophy requires reading the tea leaves of his pre-bowl press conferences, and is still subject to conjecture.

I don't have the exact quote, but I believe he admitted to be a bit too heavy on "player reward" in 2002. If I had to guess what gets the most attention right now, I'd say underclassmen development.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: iahawk15 on December 23, 2019, 06:47:26 PM
Ferentz announced today that Iowa will be honoring Hayden Fry by removing the Tigerhawk from the helmet for the Holiday bowl.

For those not aware, the Tigerhawk logo was commissioned by Hayden Fry upon arrival to Iowa in 1979 as a rebranding effort.

Iowa will also wear a "BUMP" decal on the back of the helmet to honor former AD Iowa Bump Elliot, who passed away earlier this month.
Title: Re: Holiday Bowl: #16 Iowa (9-3) vs. #22 USC (8-4)
Post by: FearlessF on December 23, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
very nice