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Title: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Hawkinole on December 14, 2019, 02:33:02 AM
I just finished reading an article about the Citrus Bowl and expectation that a good number of Alabama, and some Michigan NFL prospects will sit out the bowl game. The article does not identify even one player who plans to sit out the bowl game. 

Unfortunately, sitting out bowl games has become a problem.

What is on the landscape as far as early departures before this post-season.  Iowa's lock NFL prospects, juniors AJ Epenesa and Tristan Wirfs, are expected to play, and then depart after the bowl season.

Are you aware of players skipping the bowl season?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 14, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
One Dawg who might have said he's playing (a DB).  I would guess Swift (RB) will sit, he's been hurt anyway, and probably an OL (both juniors).  But none have announced that I've seen.  The "good news" is that Brian Herrien (SR) who I see as a very solid RB may get a chance to shine.  He has waited his turn for four years (it never quite came) and deserves a look by someone in the League.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
Quitters never win.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 14, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
If I was a RB or QB with first round projections, I'm sitting and leaving, especially if I'm dinged up.  Swift didn't have the year many forecast (I blame the OL), and he has some kind of pectoral injury.  I think he should call it a day and hope to be a first rounder.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 09:24:15 AM
I'd play for my team, which played for me, all season.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 14, 2019, 09:24:26 AM
your agent or family members might get in your ear, especially if you come from a situation with very little money

but, if I'm a baller and love the game, I'm strapping it on one last time with my teammates

very possibly most of these kids sitting out haven't sat at home during bowl season - it's a privilege and an honor
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 14, 2019, 09:46:37 AM
I view it more as a business when talking about players who are high draft likely.  CFB is a path to the NFL, nothing more, in many cases.  This is potentially a swing in salary of millions of dollars for them.  For me, some glorified exhibition is not worth the real risk of injury.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 09:57:30 AM
If you're going to sit out against Alabama, why didn't ya sit out against Ohio State?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 14, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
I just finished reading an article about the Citrus Bowl and expectation that a good number of Alabama, and some Michigan NFL prospects will sit out the bowl game. The article does not identify even one player who plans to sit out the bowl game.
I heard one take that Michigan might have fewer players sit out than if they were playing like Florida or Texas A&M or something, simply because the benefit of having tape against Alabama outweighs the risk of injury.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 14, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
If you're going to sit out against Alabama, why didn't ya sit out against Ohio State?
That's my only question.  I don't really disagree with it, but how are the non CFP bowl games any more of an "exhibition" than a late season game for a team that is already bowl eligible, but eliminated from CFP or CCG contention?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: bayareabadger on December 14, 2019, 02:01:16 PM
One Dawg who might have said he's playing (a DB).  I would guess Swift (RB) will sit, he's been hurt anyway, and probably an OL (both juniors).  But none have announced that I've seen.  The "good news" is that Brian Herrien (SR) who I see as a very solid RB may get a chance to shine.  He has waited his turn for four years (it never quite came) and deserves a look by someone in the League.

 (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/what-players-are-sitting-out-the-bowl-season/)Herrien delivered a tweet at the start of the season that made me roll my eyes in a big way, and I kinda still do at him. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 02:05:41 PM

 (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/what-players-are-sitting-out-the-bowl-season/)Herrien delivered a tweet at the start of the season that made me roll my eyes in a big way, and I kinda still do at him.
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Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 14, 2019, 03:06:59 PM
Quitters never win.
But they get PAIIIIIIIID!
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 14, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
CB C.J. Henderson is sitting out for Florida, but I believe he's the only one.  One thing I do appreciate is that he said the same time he declared for the draft.  No hedging.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
But they get PAIIIIIIIID!
I've heard a few GM's state that they would not take a quitter.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: bayareabadger on December 14, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
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He posted something about how he was a no-star and then suddenly a three star, and stars mean nothing. And that's mostly fine. I don't totally mind a kid going on about being underrated or whatnot. 

But what he didn't say was that before he was a three star, he was missing something else. Offers. From anyone. Because he was a mess academically. He needed straight As, plus upping his test score his last season of HS. He needed a perfect semester and got it. 

And then he never got past four and five-stars in the lineup. Again, I don't mind a guy saying he deserved better if it's about talent or production. But he didn't have any offers to play college football, and did that because he failed to do the minimum up till the end. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 14, 2019, 03:47:42 PM
Very interesting. Thanks.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 14, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/brian-herrien-dream-playing-uga (https://www.dawgnation.com/football/brian-herrien-dream-playing-uga)

Herrien’s grades have been good since he got to UGA. Why? He had a simple answer.
“College is easier to me than high school,” Herrien said.
Say what?
“It’s just easy,” he said.
When pressed, Herrien explained.
“The only thing that really changed for me was when I got into school, when I got to college, to make sure I stayed on top of my grades and never let myself get below,” Herrien said. “So I try to stay on top of everything. That’s all I do.”

Major:  Communication Studies...recipient of the Leon Farmer Athletic Scholarship.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/homegrown-why-brian-herrien-personifies-the-georgia-bulldog-spirit (https://www.dawgnation.com/football/homegrown-why-brian-herrien-personifies-the-georgia-bulldog-spirit)


Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 14, 2019, 08:16:43 PM
I've heard a few GM's state that they would not take a quitter.
They're lying.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 14, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
I don't think sitting out would have an iota of impact on draft position.  I think getting injured would.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 14, 2019, 08:22:42 PM
Any GM who would say that doesn't have a job anymore.  It's adorable and malarkey.  
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 09:05:48 AM
If you're going to sit out against Alabama, why didn't ya sit out against Ohio State?
if you're going to sit out the Citrus Bowl on Jan 1st, why wouldn't ya sit out the Fiesta or the Peach on Dec 28th?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 15, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
I'm pretty sure the players with first round potential nearly all view this as a business.  Many bought insurance against injury.  They will get advice, hopefully sound advice, and likely take it.  A guy on the cusp may well play because of the drop off if you slide to Day Two.  A guy in the top ten should sit out unless his team is in the playoff.

Otherwise, it's an exhibition game.

(In other news, James Cook at UGA will be sitting out, but because he was arrested driving with open container and expired DL, and he's underage.)
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
so your team is in the playoff???

is that more important than your financial future?

if your in the playoff there are two more games to get injured - why risk it if your worried about injury?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 15, 2019, 10:04:44 AM
Being in the playoff changes the equation somewhat.  For some, it's enough.  Some may sit out even then.  It's their choice obviously.

Each player will decide obviously, I'm not going to think less of a player who sits out for his health.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MrNubbz on December 15, 2019, 11:39:36 AM



After last nights Christmas party I'll be sitting out the bowl season
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: CWSooner on December 15, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
If sitting out is OK, when does it become OK?  Right before the big rivalry game, if you're not going to make the CFP?  Before the CCG if you're not going to make the CFP even with a win?  Or if you're big underdogs?

IMO, if you commit to play your senior season, you play your senior season, to include post-season games.  Your teammates are playing, your coaches are coaching, so why are you taking a pass?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 12:22:35 PM
I sitting out is OK, when does it become OK?  Right before the big rivalry game, if you're not going to make the CFP?  Before the CCG if you're not going to make the CFP even with a win?  Or if you're big underdogs?

IMO, if you commit to play your senior season, you play your senior season, to include post-season games.  Your teammates are playing, your coaches are coaching, so why are you taking a pass?
That is the key word here. Thank you.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MrNubbz on December 15, 2019, 12:31:54 PM
Tell it to Jaylon Smith or Jake Butt,unless someone gets a Lloyds of London policy I can hardly blame them.If a kid gets hurt how much money does the university president,head coach,network execs lose?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
If sitting out is OK, when does it become OK?  Right before the big rivalry game, if you're not going to make the CFP?  Before the CCG if you're not going to make the CFP even with a win?  Or if you're big underdogs?

IMO, if you commit to play your senior season, you play your senior season, to include post-season games.  Your teammates are playing, your coaches are coaching, so why are you taking a pass?
Ask Joey Bosa.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 12:58:39 PM
When you sign up for football, you know the risk. An injury is possible in any game, practice or training session. When you sign up for football, you also make a commitment to your coaches and teammates. Not playing is breaking that commitment.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
Ummm...

https://twitter.com/Warchant/status/1205968659191140352
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 15, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
Ummm...

https://twitter.com/Warchant/status/1205968659191140352

Weird.  XFL Draft already happened
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
Tell it to Jaylon Smith or Jake Butt,unless someone gets a Lloyds of London policy I can hardly blame them.If a kid gets hurt how much money does the university president,head coach,network execs lose?
Butt reportedly received a $543,000 payout due to a loss of value insurance claim he received due to his ACL injury. On May 11, 2017, the Denver Broncos signed Butt to a four-year, $2.70 million contract that included a signing bonus of $300,938.

Smith was the fourth linebacker drafted in 2016. On May 20, 2016, the Dallas Cowboys signed Smith to a four-year, $6.49 million contract that includes $4.42 million guaranteed and a signing bonus of $2.92 million.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
Weird.  XFL Draft already happened
Did the US Military reinstate the draft?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MrNubbz on December 15, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
Butt reportedly received a $543,000 payout due to a loss of value insurance claim he received due to his ACL injury. On May 11, 2017, the Denver Broncos signed Butt to a four-year, $2.70 million contract that included a signing bonus of $300,938.

Smith was the fourth linebacker drafted in 2016. On May 20, 2016, the Dallas Cowboys signed Smith to a four-year, $6.49 million contract that includes $4.42 million guaranteed and a signing bonus of $2.92 million.
I get that they're not poor but booth would have garnered a lot more in the 1st rd were they were pegged.Remember once in that price range Uncle Sam snaps about half.So injury obviously is a game changer in the check out line
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 02:30:30 PM
I get that they're not poor but booth would have garnered a lot more in the 1st rd were they were pegged.Remember once in that price range Uncle Sam snaps about half. So injury obviously is a game changer in the check out line
Not anymore. Below is a graduated table.

For example, if you make $610,300, you will pay 37% on the $100,000, $35% on the amount between $204,100 and $510,299, and so on. So, nowhere near 50%.


[th]Rate[/th]
[th]For Unmarried Individuals, Taxable Income Over[/th]
[th]For Married Individuals Filing Joint Returns, Taxable Income Over[/th]
[th]For Heads of Households, Taxable Income Over[/th]
10%$0$0$0
12%$9,700$19,400$13,850
22%$39,475$78,950$52,850
24%$84,200$168,400$84,200
32%$160,725$321,450$160,700
35%$204,100$408,200$204,100
37%$510,300$612,350$510,300

Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MrNubbz on December 15, 2019, 03:07:44 PM
Tell you what why don't you ask them :celebrate:
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 15, 2019, 03:40:13 PM
You can get close to 50% if you live in California.  They take 8% starting at about $40,000.  You pay FICA on the first $132,900 now, 15.3% if you are self employed.  After that limit, you still pay 1.45% for Medicare on all earned income.

If you make $140,000 a year in CA and are single, you pay almost $25,000 in Federal income tax,  almost $10,000 in CA income tax, and over $10,000 in FICA.  That's not half of course, but it's a chunk, about a third, and more if you are self employed.

The good news is that on unearned income, you don't pay FICA.  I like unearned income, as I didn't earn it, somehow.

Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 15, 2019, 04:01:28 PM
FICA is capped at $132,900 right now. So, no tax on any income above that.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2019, 04:05:55 PM
I need tax knowledge on my game earnings.  Not an official LLC, just on the side so far.  
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 15, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
I used to report my earnings for reffing soccer games.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 04:26:05 PM
couldn't pay in cash?
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Riffraft on December 16, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
I used to report my earnings for reffing soccer games.
I report every single penny that I make officiating High school football and wrestling. Even when I was doing pee wee football and they were paying cash.

I value my CPA license too much to take even a small chance of loosing it due to having an issue with the IRS.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Riffraft on December 16, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
I need tax knowledge on my game earnings.  Not an official LLC, just on the side so far. 

My guess is right now your expenses, investment, revenue, etc. is fairly minimum and might just be considered a "hobby" for income tax purposes. Which means you have to claim all your income, but cannot deduct any of the expenses. Which sucks.

However, if you really intend this to be a going concern and have it treated as a business there are a fair number of issues and decisions you will have to make on how you account for things. There are things you can take as an expense immediately. There are probably a number of things that you are going to need to capitalize that can only be expensed over time. Whether you are going to account for things on an accrual, cash or modified accrual basis (Cash is generally the easiest). Whether you form an LLC or not generally doesn't matter at the moment for income tax, assuming you will form a single member LLC which will go straight to your 1040 anyway. 

One piece of advice. Track everything you spend on it and if feasible, have a separate bank account and credit card for whatever you do with your game. 

The problem you are going to have, is right now there probably isn't enough money to justify hiring someone to help you set things up and give you advice on what is the right decisions. Just remember any advice you get from people, like me here on the internet is generally worth what you pay for it. It might be good, it might not and generally they are not going to know every thing they need to know about your business to give distinct advice that absolutely fits your situation. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
My advice... start a company. It makes thing a lot easier.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 16, 2019, 12:25:43 PM
I was paid cash for reffing soccer.  The U18 games paid $70 each to two of us, and I often was the only ref there.  U18 was pretty gun, it was coed, and the kids MOSTLY reffed themselves.  It's interesting when the players drive themselves to the game and there are no parents present.  There were times when I'd call an out of bounds for the red team and they'd all look at me seeing I was far away and point the other way, and I say go with it.  The girl players were often really good, they had to have one touch across midfield.  On occasion, two guys would kind of get into it, and I'd yell at them, WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? and they'd shake hands and stop.

I loved it, usually a nice day, $140 in cash, and some exercise and no complaints.  U11 was the worst, the coaches didn't know the rules often as not.  In soccer, if the ball doesn't cross the OB line, it's in bounds, but if it hooks and goes OB in the air and comes back in, it's out of bounds.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: SFBadger96 on December 16, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Soccer parents are loads of fun. We have lots of good referees who refuse 10U because the parents and coaches are the worst. They get a little better as the kids get older (and as the parents stop coming as often). 

It is curious how little people know about offside, out of play, tripping, obstruction, charging, etc., but are nonetheless more than willing to let the referees how badly they screwed the call up. 

Such is life.

Sitting the bowl game is an interesting question--as is the "when is the right time to stop and preserve your draft stock?" Would be interested in knowing what the NFL teams think.

I think the insurance policies are pretty common for the higher end prospects. And sure, it's not the same as a pro contract, but plenty of players get injuring in practice, the preseason, or their rookie year, too, all resulting in the end or effective end of their playing careers.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL2odJ8XUAEVzWH.jpg)


I guess one more "battle" with the "brothers" doesn't matter. Man, I hate this trend.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: CWSooner on December 16, 2019, 08:58:10 PM
Row the boat until it might jeopardize your future plans.

I wonder if there's a connection between this trend and the existence of the CFP.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MarqHusker on December 16, 2019, 08:58:34 PM
Disturbing message board chatter regarding 8 players which may not suit up for one of the two semis.  Not by choice.  Dare I fire up the bowl suspension and ineligible thread from years past?  I think it broke the year FSU had 20 odd dudes suspended. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: CWSooner on December 16, 2019, 09:18:26 PM
Disturbing message board chatter regarding 8 players which may not suit up for one of the two semis.  Not by choice.  Dare I fire up the bowl suspension and ineligible thread from years past?  I think it broke the year FSU had 20 odd dudes suspended.
I think I'm aware of the team whose message boards are chattering.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: MarqHusker on December 16, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
One of my close law school friends is fairly senior in this school's admin.  And he's having an ulcer over hearing about this.  The velocity at which this stuff spreads never ceases to amaze .
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 16, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Disturbing message board chatter regarding 8 players which may not suit up for one of the two semis.  Not by choice.  Dare I fire up the bowl suspension and ineligible thread from years past?  I think it broke the year FSU had 20 odd dudes suspended.
Ah, I miss those days.  When you just magically found out Christmas week that like three starters hadn't been to class all semester
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 16, 2019, 09:55:52 PM
And we're being coy because.......
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 16, 2019, 10:17:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL2odJ8XUAEVzWH.jpg)


I guess one more "battle" with the "brothers" doesn't matter. Man, I hate this trend.
extremely grateful, was an honor, and most importantly a blessing, but..............
screw it, I'm off to grab the $$$
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 05:15:57 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-Andrew-Thomas-entering-2020-NFL-Draft-skipping-Sugar-Bowl-140691021/?fbclid=IwAR0eZ_ig90FNecvvHs8VP95C64BviFa_Jb9wAl7waIYT_buWk1j2P9LTa-Y (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-Andrew-Thomas-entering-2020-NFL-Draft-skipping-Sugar-Bowl-140691021/?fbclid=IwAR0eZ_ig90FNecvvHs8VP95C64BviFa_Jb9wAl7waIYT_buWk1j2P9LTa-Y)

Andrew Thomas, junior OL at UGA, also not playing, leaving early, as expected.  Andre Swift is very likely to do the same.

Thomas is following the same path as former UGA cornerback Deandre Baker, who elected to skip the Allstate Sugar Bowl against Texas a year ago to protect his professional interests. Junior running back D'Andre Swift is also expected to turn forego his senior season but has yet to announce and there's a strong chance that redshirt sophomore right tackle Isaiah Wilson could do the same. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: utee94 on December 17, 2019, 06:16:20 PM
Good news for Oklahoma State, I don't think they'd stand much of a chance against Texas A&M without him:

https://twitter.com/JessicaMorrey/status/1207034785513775104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1207034785513775104&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FJessicaMorrey%2Fstatus%2F1207034785513775104%3Fs%3D19 (https://twitter.com/JessicaMorrey/status/1207034785513775104?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1207034785513775104&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FJessicaMorrey%2Fstatus%2F1207034785513775104%3Fs%3D19)
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 17, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
I hope the kid has a huge game and improves his draft stock
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 06:28:32 PM
Deandre Swift says he will decide about the NFL after the Sugar Bowl, which I infer means he's playing, which I did not expect.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: utee94 on December 17, 2019, 06:44:41 PM
I hope the kid has a huge game and improves his draft stock
Yup.  I'll be pulling for the Ags on behalf of my i s c & a aggie wife, but I love it when a promising prospect plays instead of sitting out.  Best of luck to him!
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 07:24:37 PM
I hope the kid has a huge game and improves his draft stock
Where do folks have him going now?  (I realize "folks" are guessing at this to a large degree.)  I also would like folks who play to have a game that ups their stock.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-rb-watch-chuba-hubbard-joins-a-deep-class-of-running-back-prospects/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-rb-watch-chuba-hubbard-joins-a-deep-class-of-running-back-prospects/)

This is a bit out of date and has him seventh among running backs (but they also have D'Andre Swift at first, which probably is a dubious guess).
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: CWSooner on December 17, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
Where do folks have him [Chuba Hubbard] going now?  (I realize "folks" are guessing at this to a large degree.)  I also would like folks who play to have a game that ups their stock.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-rb-watch-chuba-hubbard-joins-a-deep-class-of-running-back-prospects/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2020-nfl-draft-rb-watch-chuba-hubbard-joins-a-deep-class-of-running-back-prospects/)

This is a bit out of date and has him seventh among running backs (but they also have D'Andre Swift at first, which probably is a dubious guess).
I've heard 3rd-roundish, whereas a great senior year might boost him to 2nd round.
Running backs have become devalued in the NFL.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
Maybe, but several are projected first rounders.  I wonder why sometimes, though of late some first rounders are doing pretty well.

Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 17, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
I thought he was a true sophomore for some reason.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
A - freakin O-linemen are sitting out bowls now?  What's the odds they get hurt - 0.00001%????  FFS

B - if any NFL team alters its value of a player by what he does in a bowl (ie - ONE GAME), then they're probably a dumpster-fire of a franchise
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 08:41:48 PM
An OL can get hurt, obviously, usually a knee or ankle.  It happens fairly often, but USUALLY is not career ending.

My guess is they want to spend the time "preparing" for the combine instead of practicing.  

And I think a player somewhat "off the radar" might get some good attention if he has an outstanding performance in a bowl game.  He might move from round 5 to 4, maybe.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2019, 08:45:10 PM
I understand the one Alabama LB sitting out - dude missed all of 2018 with an injury and 10 games of 2017.  Why a team would draft a guy like that beats me....
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 17, 2019, 08:47:01 PM
Somebody might see potential and take him 7th round, or UDFA.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2019, 08:48:28 PM
Apparently he's the 63rd-rated player overall. 

"The Jacksonville Jaguars select - Mr. Glass - linebacker from Alabama"
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 17, 2019, 10:27:18 PM
B - if any NFL team alters its value of a player by what he does in a bowl (ie - ONE GAME), then they're probably a dumpster-fire of a franchise
Chuba played in 13 games last season - in 7 of those games he had 7 or fewer carries
Chuba played in 12 games this season

so 18 games with major contribution - not all of those 18 games were against solid competition

one more game vs solid competition is significant for evaluation
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2019, 11:13:26 PM
Well scouts saw how he did vs the:
70th
81st
35th
36th
46th
54th
58th
64th
76th
103rd and
109th-best run defenses.

So yes, unfortunately, seeing him vs A&M's 55th-ranked run D might be useful.  Jesus.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 17, 2019, 11:18:40 PM
I mean teams hold pro days, which is a more pointless version of a pointless event, and scouts attend.  I'd prefer a bowl tape to anything learned there.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 17, 2019, 11:56:30 PM
Well a pro day is sort of unique, isn't it?  A bowl game is just another example of something you have on film plenty already.  

Idk, personally, the success or failure of a draft pick on any given team is much more random chance/luck than anyone involved would like to admit.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: bayareabadger on December 17, 2019, 11:59:48 PM
Well a pro day is sort of unique, isn't it?  A bowl game is just another example of something you have on film plenty already. 

Idk, personally, the success or failure of a draft pick on any given team is much more random chance/luck than anyone involved would like to admit.
A pro day is basically so scouts can check off what they already know or cross people off lists. They mostly learn nothing new (unless it's like a snapper or something).

And yes, it's often luck based. Same as coaching hires to a degree. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: bayareabadger on December 18, 2019, 12:01:53 AM
I understand the one Alabama LB sitting out - dude missed all of 2018 with an injury and 10 games of 2017.  Why a team would draft a guy like that beats me....
Big, fast pass rusher. If he beats the injury, maybe a talent. If he doesn't, well it's football. Most guys are gonna get hurt at some point. 
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 18, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
If a player goes off with a trainer and works on his "40 times" and shuttle time, etc., as opposed to practicing for a game, how much can he realistically improve his statistics?

Maybe a player, an OL, DB, LB works to shed a few pounds and comes out faster than expected in the 40, does that elevate his draft position?  Obviously, this can means tens of thousands of dollars, in theory.  

I thought Nick Chubb was a 'sure thing" mainly because of his character and work ethic.  He seems to be doing pretty well at Cleveland.

Those personal attributes can't really be improved and I value them a lot in a player.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: FearlessF on December 18, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
character and work ethic don't mean much to the Oakland Raiders, but 40 times........... wow
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 03:03:50 PM
Looks like "just" three players

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28327353/sources-three-oklahoma-players-suspended-cfp-semifinal-game-vs-lsu (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28327353/sources-three-oklahoma-players-suspended-cfp-semifinal-game-vs-lsu)
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Abba on December 18, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
Somewhere around now is the 9 year anniversary of Tattoo-Gate.  It started as simply as a story like that on ESPN.  To this day, it doesn't make sense why those 5 or 6 players were allowed to play in the bowl game.  Clearly someone was worried about ticket sales and viewership plummeting with a starting QB having to sit out, so they stepped in.  Ohio State probably should've just held them out anyways.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 18, 2019, 05:15:16 PM
ATHENS, Ga. -- Georgia will be without a third starting offensive lineman when it takes on No. 7 Baylor in the Allstate Sugar Bowl on January 1, 2020 (8:45 p.m. ET on ESPN). Fourth-year junior right guard Ben Cleveland will miss the bowl game due to academic issues per his father, Derek.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: CWSooner on December 18, 2019, 08:13:40 PM
Looks like "just" three players

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28327353/sources-three-oklahoma-players-suspended-cfp-semifinal-game-vs-lsu (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28327353/sources-three-oklahoma-players-suspended-cfp-semifinal-game-vs-lsu)
Dumbasses.  Couldn't wait 3-4 weeks, I guess.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 18, 2019, 11:17:53 PM
ATHENS, Ga. -- Georgia will be without a third starting offensive lineman when it takes on No. 7 Baylor in the Allstate Sugar Bowl on January 1, 2020 (8:45 p.m. ET on ESPN). Fourth-year junior right guard Ben Cleveland will miss the bowl game due to academic issues per his father, Derek.
So say Baylor beats UGA.  I tend to look at the other side of the "UGA was down a few players" and/or "they didn't show up" ideas - unfortunately, it would cheapen the potential victory for Baylor.  Yes, they get the win, it goes down in black-and-white and all, but for us who are around now, we know the win wouldn't be 100% strong. 
Which sucks.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 08:41:24 AM
Ten years from now, it will just be a win, without any asterices.  You dance with the ones who brought ya.

It's a "major bowl", so "they" keep stats on that.  As poorly as the OL played this year (IMHO), losing three might not be that bad a deal, although two of them have pretensions of being high draft picks.  I don't know if this was the OC or HC or OL coach or who, but they simply did not do much this year opening holes in the run game.

UGA is not going to do well without a good running game.
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2019, 09:09:55 AM
UGA is not going to do well without a good running game.
Why not?  You have a better QB than Justin Fields apparently.  :57:
Title: Re: What players are sitting out the bowl season?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 09:17:46 AM
Obviously, not the case, now.