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Title: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: ELA on December 11, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
Once again, time for that thread that nobody but me cares about!  The thread of potential bowl lineups under different configuration.

First, my ideal setup, which checks all the boxes for me, while acknowledging we aren't going backwards.  Granted it also involves a bowl reduction, which isn't happening.  It's 20 bowls, divided into 5 tiers of 4 bowls, with the top tier doubling as an unseeded playoff.  Unseeded inasmuch as the traditional bowl slots are maintained, independent of seeding.  Winners advance the a seeded semifinal on campus, with a neutral site championship.

Each tier consists of the the top available team from each P5 conference, 2 at larges, and 1 Go5 champion.  Teams are actually selected in merit owner, not eyeball order, and the bowls move from bottom tier up as you progress.

This (i) preserves traditional bowls; (ii) restores the greatness of NYD; (iii) makes bowl eligibility something worthwhile; (iv) adds at least some value to tacking on wins 7, 8, and 10, etc, as opposed to now; (v) makes the Group of 5 CCGs more interesting as play ins to a bowl, like the mid-major conference tourneys in basketball.

So, without further ado...

DECEMBER 24
MUSIC CITYIndiana (8-4) vs. Mississippi State (6-6)
COPPERTexas (7-5) vs. Texas A&M (7-5)
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DECEMBER 25
POTATOMiami(Ohio) (8-5) vs. Washington (7-5)
HAWAIIWake Forest (8-4) vs. California (7-5)
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DECEMBER 26
INDEPENDENCE#23 Navy (9-2) vs. Florida Atlantic (10-3)
LAS VEGASArizona State (7-5) vs. Tennessee (7-5)
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DECEMBER 27
TANGERINE#18 MINNESOTA (10-2) vs. Louisville (7-5)
ALAMO#21 Cincinnati (10-3) vs. Iowa State (7-5)
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DECEMBER 28
LIBERTY#15 Notre Dame (10-2) vs. #20 Appalachian State (12-1)
HOLIDAY#22 USC (11-2) vs. Kansas State (8-4)
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DECEMBER 30
GATOR#16 IOWA (9-3) vs. Virginia Tech (8-4)
HALL OF FAME#13 Alabama (10-2) vs. #14 MICHIGAN (9-3)
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DECEMBER 31
SUN#11 Utah (11-2) vs. #19 Boise State (12-1)
PEACH#12 Auburn (9-3) vs. #24 Virginia (9-4)
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JANUARY 1
COTTON#10 PENN STATE (10-2) vs. #25 Oklahoma State (8-4)
CITRUS#8 WISCONSIN (10-3) vs. #9 Florida (10-2)
ORANGE#3 Clemson (13-0) vs. #7 Baylor (11-2)
ROSE#2 OHIO STATE (13-0) vs. #6 Oregon (11-2)
SUGAR#1 LSU (13-0) vs. #17 Memphis (12-1)
FIESTA#4 Oklahoma (12-1) vs. #5 Georgia (11-2)

Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 11, 2019, 01:21:06 PM
Can you move the Citrus to Lambeau, so as to not give Florida a home advantage?


(See, I care.)
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: bayareabadger on December 11, 2019, 01:23:20 PM
I like the flexibility and honestly think bowls need to mix up tie-ins a lot more. Need to get big ten teams to the Texas and Ca bowls more, less Florida. 

I also am pro more bowls as I enjoy a good nine-or 10-win win mid-major. Those always interest me more that 7-5 offs, but I get why that happens. Wouldn’t mind more major/mid-major mixing, but that’s life. 

Anyway, interesting look. 
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: bayareabadger on December 11, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 11, 2019, 01:21:06 PM
Can you move the Citrus to Lambeau, so as to not give Florida a home advantage?


(See, I care.)
The Lambowl?
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 11, 2019, 01:24:50 PM
Works for me.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 06:29:31 PM
As if FL bowl games were just randomly placed there......




Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
I think it's amazing that as recently as 1991, the ACC champion went to the Citrus Bowl.  
In the old system, we'd have a mess on our hands, as I think Clemson could have moved over to the Sugar to face LSU, you'd still have OSU out in Pasadena.  Another split NC, which is okay.  



I just hate the total unwillingness to have a floating "if necessary" game when there are still 2 unbeaten P5 teams.  OSU loses, fine, LSU-Clemson winner is the champ!  OSU wins?  They then play the winner of LSU-Clemson!  It would be the old system that would occasionally morph into a 3-team playoff of sorts.


Why is that such a big, fat NO?  You schedule the venue, you pay, say, half to whoever is standing in the way of it happening if it indeed doesn't happen, and play it if you need to.  It's so simple, it'll never happen.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 07:04:19 PM
I'd like few bowls.  A "bowl team" should mean inside the top 25-all year type of team.  
Orange (XII champ* vs At-large)
Sugar (SEC champ vs At-large)
Cotton (XII champ* vs At-large)
Rose (PAC champ vs B1G champ)
(*The XII champ gets to pick which one it wants, it doesn't get 2 "big" spots every year.  An OU champ would want to go to the Orange, while a Texas champ the Cotton...)

Fiesta (at-large vs at-large)
Citrus (SEC or ACC vs XII)
Gator (SEC or ACC vs B1G)
Holiday (PAC vs at-large)

If there's also a Liberty and/or Sun Bowl(s), that's okay.  But no need really.
I do wish there were more this conference or that conference to the tie-ins.  Avoid too much repetition naturally.  
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So this year, the above would be...
Orange - OU vs Georgia
Sugar - LSU vs Wisconsin
Cotton - Baylor vs Auburn
Rose - Oregon vs Ohio St
.
Fiesta - Florida vs Penn St
Citrus - Alabama vs Okie St
Gator - Virginia vs Michigan
Holiday - Utah vs Notre Dame
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
UGA has never played in the Fiesta Bowl.

I think they have played in every other bowl except some obscure ones like the Pinstripe or the Pouhlan Weedeater  or the Oil Bowl.

There was such a thing once.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 11, 2019, 08:15:15 PM
I'd like to see UW in the Fiesta.

I'd also like to see the Music City step up and be a NYD6 over the Cotton.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: ELA on December 11, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
I think it's amazing that as recently as 1991, the ACC champion went to the Citrus Bowl. 
Didn't Georgia Tech win their co-NC by beating a fairly meh (like 8-4?) Nebraska team?
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: bayareabadger on December 11, 2019, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 07:04:19 PM
I'd like few bowls.  A "bowl team" should mean inside the top 25-all year type of team. 
Orange (XII champ* vs At-large)
Sugar (SEC champ vs At-large)
Cotton (XII champ* vs At-large)
Rose (PAC champ vs B1G champ)
(*The XII champ gets to pick which one it wants, it doesn't get 2 "big" spots every year.  An OU champ would want to go to the Orange, while a Texas champ the Cotton...)

Fiesta (at-large vs at-large)
Citrus (SEC or ACC vs XII)
Gator (SEC or ACC vs B1G)
Holiday (PAC vs at-large)

If there's also a Liberty and/or Sun Bowl(s), that's okay.  But no need really.
I do wish there were more this conference or that conference to the tie-ins.  Avoid too much repetition naturally. 
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So this year, the above would be...
Orange - OU vs Georgia
Sugar - LSU vs Wisconsin
Cotton - Baylor vs Auburn
Rose - Oregon vs Ohio St
.
Fiesta - Florida vs Penn St
Citrus - Alabama vs Okie St
Gator - Virginia vs Michigan
Holiday - Utah vs Notre Dame

Shrug, I like more football. If I get to watch some 9-10 win teams play more football. I'll take that please and thank you. 
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: bayareabadger on December 11, 2019, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: ELA on December 11, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
Didn't Georgia Tech win their co-NC by beating a fairly meh (like 8-4?) Nebraska team?
9-2 coming in. They started 8-0 and got to No. 3 and then lost to Colorado and Oklahoma across the last three games.

Top of the ACC wasn't bad that year, also beat bad UGA and mediocre South Carolina. 
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 11, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
I think it's amazing that as recently as 1991, the ACC champion went to the Citrus Bowl. 
In the old system, we'd have a mess on our hands, as I think Clemson could have moved over to the Sugar to face LSU, you'd still have OSU out in Pasadena.  Another split NC, which is okay. 



I just hate the total unwillingness to have a floating "if necessary" game when there are still 2 unbeaten P5 teams.  OSU loses, fine, LSU-Clemson winner is the champ!  OSU wins?  They then play the winner of LSU-Clemson!  It would be the old system that would occasionally morph into a 3-team playoff of sorts.


Why is that such a big, fat NO?  You schedule the venue, you pay, say, half to whoever is standing in the way of it happening if it indeed doesn't happen, and play it if you need to.  It's so simple, it'll never happen.
So it should be based entirely on their win-loss record?
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: ELA on December 11, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
Didn't Georgia Tech win their co-NC by beating a fairly meh (like 8-4?) Nebraska team?
Yes,  Nebraska (9-3 final record, TO never won fewer than 9 games) wore all white unis.  Not that anybody cares, but Nebraska imploded that season following the Colorado game where they were up 12-0 after 3 and CU scored 27 points on a dark drab rainy late afternoon in Lincoln.  I'd argue and I'm pretty sure I remember T.O. talking about it was the only time he recalls where he felt he lost a team.  They went through the motions beating KU 41-9, and then they got steamrolled against a mediocre Gary Gibbs OU team in Norman 45-10, and limped into the Citrus Bowl #19, lowest ranking since Oct 1981, with mystery QBs, as Mickey Joseph suffered that lacerated leg crashing into the bench in the 1st half of the OU game.  Johnny Mitchell was about the only highlight down the stretch, and he was simply auditioning for NFL teams.  The defense was really poor during that stretch, a big inspiration for Osborne & McBride moving to the 4-3 a couple seasons later.

It was this game which is why I remember so much of that Cotton Bowl that year,  I couldn't turn away from it, the Canes and the flags, oh, the flags, 46-3 over UT.
Edit:  Interesting trivia, Nebraska lost to all 4 teams that shared the MNC in '90,'91.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 09:48:15 PM
Any project like this should have a Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: CWSooner on December 11, 2019, 10:06:05 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 11, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
UGA has never played in the Fiesta Bowl. . . .
OU has never played in the Peach Bowl.

Or the Alamo Bowl, or the Liberty Bowl, or the Texas Bowl, or the First Responder Bowl, which are all Big 12-contracted bowls.

Quote
I think they have played in every other bowl except some obscure ones like the Pinstripe or the Pouhlan Weedeater  or the Oil Bowl.

There was such a thing once.
For all the ridiculous bowl names out there, there's a good ole' one lying around unused: the Bluebonnet Bowl.  OU played there (in Houston) in 1968 (losing to Jerry Levias-led SMU) and 1970 (tying Alabama).
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 10:19:25 PM
I remember OU getting trucked in the Copper Bowl by BYU in the mid 90s period.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: CWSooner on December 11, 2019, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 10:19:25 PM
I remember OU getting trucked in the Copper Bowl by BYU in the mid 90s period.
Yep.  Gary Gibbs' last year, and if there was ever a coach who lost his team, he was the coach, with that team, in that season.
I was going to post upthread that OU had never played in the Cheez-It Bowl, but if you go back far enough, it was once the Copper Bowl.

For goofy bowl names, it's hard to top the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl of 1990-96.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 11, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
So it should be based entirely on their win-loss record?
It's the only thing that matters, apparently.  
Appeasing the masses.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2019, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on December 11, 2019, 10:24:59 PM

For goofy bowl names, it's hard to top the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl of 1990-96.
Oh, it has a special place in all our hearts.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 10:40:48 PM
I remember my first trip to the little apple for the N at KSU '94 edition and seeing some dude with a 1982 Independence Bowl sweatshirt.  I remember that because I remember watching that game, that might have been ESPN's first ever bowl telecast.  We went to Ground Round or something like that to watch it, we didn't have cable then.  Wisconsin's first bowl win, and KSU's first ever bowl, the weather sucked big time.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2019, 08:05:10 AM
My favorite bowl photo, some of youse will know it:

(https://i.imgur.com/5aEzhcE.png)

Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2019, 08:14:15 AM
Quote from: MarqHusker on December 11, 2019, 10:40:48 PM
I remember my first trip to the little apple for the N at KSU '94 edition and seeing some dude with a 1982 Independence Bowl sweatshirt.  I remember that because I remember watching that game, that might have been ESPN's first ever bowl telecast.  We went to Ground Round or something like that to watch it, we didn't have cable then.  Wisconsin's first bowl win, and KSU's first ever bowl, the weather sucked big time.
The Ground Round. Heh. Been gone from Chicago ever since Ho Jo dropped out.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2019, 09:32:38 AM
We had a GR in Cincy near us, we went there on occasion back in the day.  In hindsight, it was mediocre at best, but relatively cheap.  The wife and I ended up at Longhorn for lunch the other day, sort of by accident.  It also was mediocre and relatively cheap.  I suppose that is true for nearly every chain, unless they are just bad.

Some now are not that cheap, like Capitol Grill, which is more like half decent and not very cheap.  I don't care for it at the price.

We have some "chains" here where every outlet has a very different theme and food style, which is interesting.  

https://www.littlerey.com/ (https://www.littlerey.com/)

What is the most interesting bowl game for you aside from your team's (or the semis)?

Alabama - Michigan?  

Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
USC-Iowa.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: FearlessF on December 12, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
Iowa state - Notre Dame
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: CWSooner on December 12, 2019, 12:13:12 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on December 12, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
Iowa state - Notre Dame
That's mine too.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: ELA on December 12, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Michigan-Alabama is the obvious choice, but I'm not sure what the motivation/participation in that game will be like.

Obviously it's always the Rose Bowl, so I'm eliminating that one.

So with that, I think maybe Minnesota-Auburn...unless it turns into Purdue-Auburn last year.  In that case, I think it might be Texas-Utah.
Title: Re: Hypothetical Bowl Lineups
Post by: ELA on December 12, 2019, 02:47:45 PM
Under the system in 2013 (last year of the 5 game BCS)

35 games, 14 days


DECEMBER 21
NEW ORLEANS#20 Appalachian State (12-1) vs. Louisiana Tech (9-3)
LAS VEGAS#19 Boise State (12-1) vs. Arizona State (7-5)
POTATONevada (7-5) vs. Western Michigan (7-5)
NEW MEXICOAir Force (10-2) vs. Arkansas State (7-5)
.
DECEMBER 23
BEEF O'BRADY'SWestern Kentucky (8-4) vs. Tulane (6-6)
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DECEMBER 24
HAWAIIUAB (9-4) vs. Hawaii (9-5)
.
DECEMBER 26
PIZZAMICHIGAN STATE (6-6) vs. Miami(Ohio) (8-5)
POINSETTIASan Diego State (9-3) vs. Georgia Southern (7-5)
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DECEMBER 27
MILITARYNorth Carolina (6-6) vs. Marshall (8-4)
TEXAS#15 Notre Dame (10-2) vs. INDIANA (8-4)
FIGHT HUNGERWashington State (6-6) vs. BYU (7-5)
.
DECEMBER 28
PINSTRIPEBoston College (6-6) vs. Temple (8-4)
BELKCentral Florida (9-3) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
RUSSELL ATHLETIC#21 Cincinnati (10-3) vs. Virginia Tech (8-4)
BUFFALO WILD WINGS#18 MINNESOTA (10-2) vs. Kansas State (8-4)
.
DECEMBER 30
ARMED FORCES#23 Navy (9-2) vs. Utah State (7-5)
MUSIC CITYKentucky (7-5) vs. Pittsburgh (7-5)
ALAMO#22 USC (8-4) vs. #25 Oklahoma State (8-4)
HOLIDAYCalifornia (7-5) vs. Iowa State (7-5)
.
DECEMBER 31
INDEPENDENCEFlorida State (6-6) vs. Southern Miss (7-5)
SUNLouisville (7-5) vs. Washington (7-5)
LIBERTYMissouri (6-6) vs. Florida Atlantic (10-3)
CHICK-FIL-A#24 Virginia (9-4) vs. Tennessee (7-5)
.
JANUARY 1
GATOR#16 IOWA (9-3) vs. Texas A&M (7-5)
HEART OF DALLASILLINOIS (6-6) vs. Miami (6-6)
OUTBACK#9 Florida (10-2) vs. #14 MICHIGAN (9-3)
CAPITAL ONE#10 PENN STATE (10-2) vs. #13 Alabama (10-2)
ROSE#6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 WISCONSIN (10-3)
FIESTA#4 Oklahoma (12-1) vs. #17 Memphis (12-1)
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JANUARY 2
SUGAR#5 Georgia (11-2) vs. #11 Utah (11-2)
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JANUARY 3
COTTON#12 Auburn (9-3) vs. Texas (7-5)
ORANGE#3 Clemson (13-0) vs. #7 Baylor (11-2)
.
JANUARY 4
COMPASSSMU (10-2) vs. Mississippi State (6-6)
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JANUARY 5
GODADDYUL Lafayette (10-3) vs. Central Michigan (8-5)
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JANUARY 6
BCS CHAMPIONSHIP#1 LSU (13-0) vs. #2 OHIO STATE (13-0)