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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on July 24, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
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FIRST TEAM
| QB | Adrian Martinez | Nebraska | Sophomore |
| RB | Jonathan Taylor | Wisconsin | Junior |
| RB | J.K. Dobbins | Ohio State | Junior |
| WR | Rondale Moore | Purdue | Sophomore |
| WR | Tyler Johnson | Minnesota | Senior |
| TE | Brycen Hopkins | Purdue | Senior |
| T | Alaric Jackson | Iowa | Junior |
| G | Ben Bredeson | Michigan | Senior |
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| G | Steven Gonzalez | Penn State | Senior |
| T | Cole Van Lanen | Wisconsin | Junior |
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SECOND TEAM
| QB | Shea Patterson | Michigan | Senior |
| RB | Mohamed Ibrahim | Minnesota | Sophomore |
| RB | Anthony McFarland | Maryland | Sophomore |
| WR | J.D. Spielman | Nebraska | Junior |
| WR | K.J. Hill | Ohio State | Senior |
| TE | Pat Freiermuth | Penn State | Sophomore |
| T | Thayer Munford | Ohio State | Junior |
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| T | Jon Runyan | Michigan | Senior |
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If Onwenu's conditioning and endurance stay on trajectory, he may start to brush up against his ceiling this year, and that is meaningfully higher than Bredeson's ceiling.
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Yeah, I voted for him. The Minnie kid is going to be a star though.
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I was the vote for the Gopher
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He'll be my #4 for sure. Almost was my vote here.
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I could see Wyatt Davis on this list by December. But I have no idea who he's overtake.
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Probably going to be a Badger on this list come December. It's the norm.
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If UW's OL bounce back from last year goes as fans predict, then yes. Even then, it's hard to pick someone in the top 4 at Guard who's a likely candidate to get pushed out. We haven't voted for center yet, but the same will be true there. Outsiders can always usurp a frontrunner, but the top 2 at center are reliable and obvious. It'll take more for a newcomer to break in than merely for that guy to get a lot better.
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Bounce back? The OL had 4 first team all-B1G last year.
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Went Onwenu
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Bounce back? The OL had 4 first team all-B1G last year.
THREE per coaches https://btn.com/2018/11/28/here-is-the-2018-big-ten-football-all-conference-offense/ (https://btn.com/2018/11/28/here-is-the-2018-big-ten-football-all-conference-offense/)
Edwards made 2nd team still not too shabby
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I seem to recall a lot of consternation about standard down sack rate ranking in the 100s the last two years, with last year worse than 2017. Correct me if you think that's a misstatement (you can separately comment on the stat and fan opinion). Granted, with 5 returning starters in 2018, the run game last year was bonkers. Graduation and attrition makes maintaining that and improving in sack rate harder than normal, however. I don't think that's controversial.
You had put this in the hoops thread.. yep. The sack rates were very bad for the OL. That will happen when the QB can't move and the defense knows it.
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THREE per coaches https://btn.com/2018/11/28/here-is-the-2018-big-ten-football-all-conference-offense/ (https://btn.com/2018/11/28/here-is-the-2018-big-ten-football-all-conference-offense/)
Edwards made 2nd team still not too shabby
4 per media (Edwards first team and the rest the same).
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Take the coaches word for it
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You had put this in the hoops thread.. yep. The sack rates were very bad for the OL. That will happen when the QB can't move and the defense knows it.
That's been happening to me a lot. I log in from one thread and on the other side of the portal I've been (randomly?) thrown to a thread with a different URL.
As for the sack rate, the sack rate was much worse for standard downs (#117 nationally) than passing downs (#74 nationally). That doesn't support Hornibrook as the only culprit. Neither does the severity of the issue, or the fact that it got worse as the QB and OL became veterans
2016 - standard down sack rate - #41 nationally
2017 - standard down sack rate - #104 nationally
2018 - standard down sack rate - #117 nationally
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In 2016, AH split time at QB with Houston, who could move a bit better. Houston attempted 141 times. AH 181. That probably helped a lot.
After that, he was on his own. It was very obvious to many that he regressed in 2018. There has been a lot of speculation as to why, but that can be for the UW thread and not this one.
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But for this thread, it fits too:
The idea that an elite run blocking OL was also - at best - average and arguably woeful in pass protection. That, crossed with the fact that the line has 4 new faces, is relevant to the odds you brought up, of whether a UW guard will make the postseason top 4.
To be clear, I'm not saying one won't. I'm just clarifying that it's fair to speculate the odds are lower than they were in recent offseasons.
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The QB couldn't move and he often held on to the ball for far too long. An OL can only block for so long. The QB got himself sacked a whole lot.
I'm certainly not gonna blame a bunch of guys we'll see on Sundays, starting in September.
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I actually wasn't blaming the players. I was just remembering Wisconsin fans' own frustrations from 2017 and 2018. And pointing out how the stats don't indicate that only Hornibrook was to blame for the std down sack rate.
What else could it be? Well I'm not in your program as much as you are. Could Joe Rudolph be near the highest level for coaching the ground game but "meh" at coaching and designing pass protection? The trend isn't inconsistent with that. And as the OC and OL coach, to which extent is he culpable even if the 2019 sacks were 100% on Hornibrook?
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Hornibrook transferred, so he won't have any pegged on him. We'll see how he does at Florida State, with their crap OL. If he plays, that is.
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No doubt, just as we'll see whether the Wisconsin sack rate bounces back. But to be clear about Hornibrook, I never meant to ask whether he deserved 0% of the bad sack rate blame. I'm just unpersuaded he deserved 100% of it.