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Title: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: ELA on July 12, 2019, 03:14:29 PM

50s & 60s
#1 The Beatles (White Album)
#6 Let It Bleed
#7 Led Zeppelin
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70s
#2 Exile on Main Street
#5 Dark Side of the Moon
#6 Born to Run
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80s
#1 Thriller
#3 London Calling
#5 Appetite for Destruction
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90s to today
#1 Nevermind
#5 (What's the Story) Morning Glory
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Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 03:19:34 PM
I like Achtung Baby a lot more now, decades later, than I did when it came out.  I wanted more War/Boy/October or even Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby was just such a departure.  But now, I really really enjoy it.

I never got into Radiohead, so U2 is an easy choice for me.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: ELA on July 12, 2019, 03:21:27 PM
Radiohead reminds me of the Harvard kid that Matt Damon undressed in Good Will Hunting; but I'll vote for just about anything head to head against U2.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 03:24:00 PM
Radiohead is definitely very, very douchey.  I didn't actively dislike their music, but I did get really worn out by their fanbois who just had to insist they were The Greatest EVAR!!!
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: ELA on July 12, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
Radiohead was also at the heart of a much better episode of South Park than the one making fun of Bono
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
I can't stand U2. Radiohead big 3 Bends/OK Comp/ Kid A are all fantastic. Easy call
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: GopherRock on July 12, 2019, 03:59:25 PM
Lotta vitriol towards U2 here, and I can't figure out why. 
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 04:07:27 PM
Lotta vitriol towards U2 here, and I can't figure out why.

Bore me to tears and I've never heard an interesting song from them. The fact that U2 managed to find their way into this and as a 2 seed is mind boggling to me.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 04:17:10 PM
So far my 90's and on fears have come through. Three albums from the 90's. The Bends the best of them altho a album that I think is not as good as OK Computer or Kid A and I'm really surprised to know it was ranked above either on any publication. Then the forth one was Adele? I don't mind her but I don't think she falls under "Rock" in any sense. The 00's and on is gonna get the short end of this.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 06:40:31 PM
I can't stand U2. Radiohead big 3 Bends/OK Comp/ Kid A are all fantastic. Easy call
Good god, no.  U2 is a top 10 all-time band.  Radiohead is for douchenozzles.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 06:41:30 PM
Lotta vitriol towards U2 here, and I can't figure out why.
I think it's largely because msufan's taste in music really, really blows.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: ELA on July 12, 2019, 06:47:29 PM
Good god, no.  U2 is a top 10 all-time band.  Radiohead is for douchenozzles.
U2 top ten band?  Lord no.  I can't think of a band less deserving of their success.  At least the Doors are slightly explainable based on Morrison's early death.  Bono wasn't so kind to us.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 06:51:22 PM
But I do think msufan introduces an interesting point about 2000s and beyond albums getting a bit lost in the shuffle, and I can speculate on a couple of reasons for this.

1) 2000s+ albums are simplynot as old, and therefore haven't withstood the test of time for as long.  We have a great perspective on albums from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and at least some perspective on albums from the 90s.  Albums in the 2000s just haven't been around as along, and albums from the 2010s aren't even a decade old so it's pretty difficult to get a real feel for what's truly great, and what was just a bit of a pop fad.

2) The album format started dying off in the 2000s with the advent of internet-based distribution of music.  We've actually returned a lot closer to the old single release model, which dominated the 40s and 50s.  There's a reason 40s and 50s albums don't make these lists, and it's because the album format wasn't all that strong, rather it was the single release that ruled the day.  Back then it was radio airplay that drove it, and these days it's more related to internet-based distribution, but either way, people don't listen to entire albums nearly as often now, as they did when the LP/cassette/CD was the premier format for release, in the 60s,70s,80s, and most of the 90s.

Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 06:52:36 PM
U2 top ten band?  Lord no.  I can't think of a band less deserving of their success.  At least the Doors are slightly explainable based on Morrison's early death.  Bono wasn't so kind to us.
Uhh... yeah... no.  Wrong again bubble boy.  The only explanation for the Doors' relatively limited success is the mystery of Jim Morrison's death.  Otherwise their music was terrible.

Or maybe it's because everyone was just really, REALLY stoned out of their minds for about a decade.  I guess that could explain it, too.  Stoned people make terrible decisions.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Comparing U2 a band with quite frankly marginal musical talent to Radiohead is laughable. 

Ok Computer and Kid A are both masterpieces. Consider by many to be the best albums of their decade. Radiohead did things no band had ever done. 

U2 is like the 80/90's version of Nickelback. 

Saying Radiohead is for douchenozzles is fine I guess. You are the music version of the Miller Lite drinker that hates the guy with the amazing IPA that guy says the same thing.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 07:00:30 PM
Comparing U2 a band with quite frankly marginal musical talent to Radiohead is laughable.

Ok Computer and Kid A are both masterpieces. Consider by many to be the best albums of their decade. Radiohead did things no band had ever done.

U2 is like the 80/90's version of Nickelback.

Saying Radiohead is for douchenozzles is fine I guess. You are the music version of the Miller Lite drinker that hates the guy with the amazing IPA that guy says the same thing.
Are you 12?  You seem like you're 12.

Comparing Radiohead a band with quite franly zero musical talent to U2 is laughable.

War, October, Boy, Unforgettable Fire, and Joshua Tree are all masterpieces.  Considered by many to be the best of all time.  U2 broke ground that Radiohead could never even dream of.

Radiohead is like the  90s/2000s version of REO Speedwagon.

You are the music version of the Franzia-in-a-box drinker that hates the guy importing Bordeaux directly from France, that guy says the same thing.


(See how this works?)
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 07:08:46 PM
Are you 12?  You seem like you're 12.

Comparing Radiohead a band with quite franly zero musical talent to U2 is laughable.

War, October, Boy, Unforgettable Fire, and Joshua Tree are all masterpieces.  Cosnidered by many to be the best of all time.  U2 broke ground that Radiohead could never even dream of.

Radiohead is like the  90s/2000s version of REO Speedwagon.

You are the music version of the Franzia-in-a-box drinker that hates the guy importing Bordeaux directly from France, that guy says the same thing.


(See how this works?)

You have to be trolling that's the only thing I can think of. You can like U2 more then Radiohead and that's fine I guess. It's sad but fine. To think U2 has more talent is just wrong
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: utee94 on July 12, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
Radiohead is definitely very, very douchey.  I didn't actively dislike their music, but I did get really worn out by their fanbois who just had to insist they were The Greatest EVAR!!!


msufan is simply proving my point.  It's so incredibly predictable.  I have no idea why Radiohead fanbois absolutely can't stand the thought of anyone thinking that their favorite band isn't just the absolute bestest, EVAR!!!  But there you have it.

Anyway, like I said, I don't have any specific problem with Radiohead.  I think they're douchey but so was Rick Springfield and I like his music okay.  But it's always Radiohead's intractable and sanctimonious fanbois that ruin the discussion.  Every.  Single.  Time.

As far as talent, I was certainly exaggerating.  I don't think they have zero talent.  I do absolutely think they have less talent than U2.

Does that make you wanna fight me?  It sure seems like it does.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MrNubbz on July 12, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
I like Achtung Baby a lot more now, decades later, than I did when it came out.  I wanted more War/Boy/October or even Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby was just such a departure.  But now, I really really enjoy it.

I never got into Radiohead, so U2 is an easy choice for me.
Same-same
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: msufan23 on July 12, 2019, 07:41:07 PM
msufan is simply proving my point.  It's so incredibly predictable.  I have no idea why Radiohead fanbois absolutely can't stand the thought of anyone thinking that their favorite band isn't just the absolute bestest, EVAR!!!  But there you have it.

Anyway, like I said, I don't have any specific problem with Radiohead.  I think they're douchey but so was Rick Springfield and I like his music okay.  But it's always Radiohead's intractable and sanctimonious fanbois that ruin the discussion.  Every.  Single.  Time.

As far as talent, I was certainly exaggerating.  I don't think they have zero talent.  I do absolutely think they have less talent than U2.

Does that make you wanna fight me?  It sure seems like it does.

Radiohead wouldn't even be in my top 25 favorite bands(I do enjoy some of their stuff) but I can set aside my personal taste to know that they were a revolutionary band and one of the most influential bands for rock in the 21st century. 

U2 are really good at making stadium rock. Lots of people like and enjoy it. It's easy to listen to didnt take a lot of chances. If you wanted to be in a cover band. U2 would be the perfect choice. Easy to play, easy to listen to, popular bad. 

Why would I want to fight you?
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
neither of these bands are worth fighting about

I saw U2 in the stadium in Ames.  It was fine until Bono pushed his politics.  Ex-wife wanted to go and bought the tickets.

I've heard of Radiohead, but obviously their music didn't move me to remember them
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: ELA on July 12, 2019, 09:27:17 PM
Uhh... yeah... no.  Wrong again bubble boy.  The only explanation for the Doors' relatively limited success is the mystery of Jim Morrison's death.  Otherwise their music was terrible.

Or maybe it's because everyone was just really, REALLY stoned out of their minds for about a decade.  I guess that could explain it, too.  Stoned people make terrible decisions.
We are saying the same thing.  I hate the Doors, but at least there is a reason for them being so overrated, that Morrison died young.  Bono has survived to torture us for three decades, so I can even figure a reason for their popularity.

Radiohead is fine, I'm no huge fan.  I just have a hard time thinking of a band I find more overrated than U2.  Doors for sure, but again, if Morrison had lived, they wouldn't be what they are.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MarqHusker on July 12, 2019, 09:42:54 PM
I saw U2 last yr on their Joshua Tree tour.  Beck opened so that was a hook I needed.  It was a couples thing so we had fun.  One noticeable sight, a near total lack of teens/20 somethings.
Bono had next to zero sanctimonious moments which was good.  That was 4th time I've seen Beck.
I sure hope Odelay would make an appearance here.

Many more teens and young adults at a recent Metallica show I went to and they haven't been 'cool' in a very long time.

Agree w the assessment on death of albums.  You get singles and EPs these days.  Money is made touring w rare exception.

I do like Radiohead but the fanbois are pretty insufferable.
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MrNubbz on July 12, 2019, 09:47:42 PM
We are saying the same thing.  I hate the Doors, but at least there is a reason for them being so overrated, that Morrison died young.  Bono has survived to torture us for three decades, so I can even figure a reason for their popularity.

Radiohead is fine, I'm no huge fan.  I just have a hard time thinking of a band I find more overrated than U2.  Doors for sure, but again, if Morrison had lived, they wouldn't be what they are.
I think you guys are going to have to come up with a lot of wonderful new lies or people just aren't going to want to go on listening.The Doors were incredible - many/most don't dwell on his exit - that's for DB Cooper.Their music was driving,intense,creative,course - excellent blend of a lot.But I'll let you two get back to New Kids on the Block and the Back Street Boys
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MrNubbz on July 12, 2019, 09:52:14 PM
Uhh... yeah... no.  Wrong again bubble boy.  The only explanation for the Doors' relatively limited success is the mystery of Jim Morrison's death.  Otherwise their music was terrible.
You been standing by your smokers for too long.Take a deep breath - for 20 minutes.Ya some of those inbreeding country crooners aren't horrible drunks or wife beaters.But it's clever/cute in a down home kinda way
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2019, 11:03:26 PM
not a big Doors fan, but they had some dern good tunes

I like this one

The Doors The Wasp (Texas Radio And The - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laAT18_YbDo)
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: CWSooner on July 12, 2019, 11:28:03 PM
To get back to the #4 vs. #5 matchup, where were all you guys on that thread who were sticking up for Blood on the Tracks?  I voted for Dylan, and he got only one other vote.  So some of you guys must have forgotten how you cast your votes.

~???
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MarqHusker on July 12, 2019, 11:35:40 PM
I have no real strong feelings for Dylan.  I think he's an artist where you had to be there to have the love for him.   I have no trouble loving music before my time, I just can't get into Dylan.  
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 13, 2019, 12:44:21 AM

War, October, Boy, Unforgettable Fire, and Joshua Tree are all masterpieces.  Considered by many to be the best of all time.  U2 broke ground that Radiohead could never even dream of.
Problem is that so many of those albums are so much better than Achtung Baby... That one had commercial success but I don't think it compares to October, for example... 
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: CWSooner on July 13, 2019, 01:18:18 AM
I have no real strong feelings for Dylan.  I think he's an artist where you had to be there to have the love for him.  I have no trouble loving music before my time, I just can't get into Dylan.
I'm not the world's biggest Bob Dylan fan either, and I was there, but I really deplore the Rolling Stones, for whom I was also there, so I voted for "Blood on the Tracks."  One other person voted for Dylan.  My post--in jest--was for all the guys who were sticking up for Dylan on that thread but voted for the Stones.
Where were they when Zimmy needed 'em?
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: MrNubbz on July 13, 2019, 08:09:28 AM
I voted for Bo-o-ob,more for the artist than the album
Title: Re: OT Tourney (1st Round) - #2 Achtung Baby vs. #7 The Bends
Post by: GopherRock on July 13, 2019, 11:55:05 AM
Also, I get that if all you've listened to of U2 is their output since 2001, the music smacks of inconsistent dad rock. I get that and I'll be the first to admit as much. That's why by the end of the 360 tour, they were playing very little of their newer stuff. 

Their 90s trifecta of Achtung Baby, Zooropa, and Pop is one of the great runs in music.