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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Brutus Buckeye on June 28, 2019, 07:39:24 AM
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What P5 programs have never squared off against your school on the gridiron?
For OSU, it is Iowa St, Kansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest.
Iowa St and Kansas stand out as odd, being in the Midwest. Georgia Tech and Ole Miss would probably be the most intriguing match ups in that group.
What are some other P5 schools that have never played against one another?
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I think Nebraska's list is three.
Boston College
Virginia
Vanderbilt
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Oklahoma was the last remaining Blue Blood. We now have a series scheduled with them. Good deal.
I don't know, probably some B1G teams in part because of the long period where only one of them went to a bowl game and because UGA didn't schedule out of the region for ages and ages, 1965 to 2000 and something. Goggle surfaced this list:
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/ContentGallery/Georgia-Football-has-never-played-these-10-programs-but-should-118809861/#118809861_1 (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/ContentGallery/Georgia-Football-has-never-played-these-10-programs-but-should-118809861/#118809861_1)
Air Force Wazzu Kansas State NW Ill Minny Army Iowa Washington
That is a substantial list, Washington would be my choice to play ASAP, but the schedule is pretty full.
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Good topic. MSU's list is longer than I would have guessed, but partly probably due to not being a major program until the 50s. We were playing Hillsdale and Michigan Normal regularly until then
Arkansas
Clemson
Duke
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
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I think a lot of B1G teams will have a long list simply because of the old "bowl ban", same with ND.
SEC teams would have encountered a lot of now B12 and ACC teams in bowl games.
Washington is the program I'd most like to see scheduled.
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Not even sure where to find such a list. Off the top of my head I know that Texas has never played Clemson or Florida State. I'd love to get one or both scheduled.
Until the 2005 Rose Bowl, Texas had never played Michigan or Ohio State. Now we've played both, at least in bowl games, and also have upcoming home-and-home series with both, which is going to be awesome.
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https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/top-5-texas-football-games-that-have-never-been-played-012617 (https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/top-5-texas-football-games-that-have-never-been-played-012617)
Clemson FSU Michigan State Boise State Cincinnati Georgia State
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Not even sure where to find such a list.
I just pulled up MSU's media guide
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Something to work on later. Cool.
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What P5 programs have never squared off against your school on the gridiron?
For OSU, it is Iowa St, Kansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest.
Iowa St and Kansas stand out as odd, being in the Midwest. Georgia Tech and Ole Miss would probably be the most intriguing match ups in that group.
Here is how I would rank Ohio State's list in order from the game I would most like to see to the game I would least like to see:
- 1) Georgia Tech: I think this would be a nice OOC series because GaTech is good enough that it could be challenging. Also, Atlanta is a fun destination and not too far of a drive (for those who like to drive) and an easy flight due to ATL being a big hub (for those who like to fly).
- 2) Ole Miss: Basically just because they are an SEC team.
- 3) Mississippi State: See #2 above.
- 4) Wake Forest: Recruiting is better in NC than KS so I'd rather play the Deacons than the Jayhawks
- 5) Kansas: I wouldn't schedule a H&H with Kansas unless we got at least a six game HHH&HHH basketball series out of the deal and even then I wouldn't be thrilled about it.
- 6) Iowa State: Anything that is good for the Cyclones is bad for the Hawkeyes and that is bad for the B1G so I wouldn't schedule ISU under any circumstances.
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For WVU:
Arkansas
Arizona
Iowa (I’d really like to play the Hawkeyes. A lot of respect for them and very similar challenges to WVU, imo).
Minnesota
Northwestern
UCLA
Washington
Wazzu
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Here is how I would rank Ohio State's list in order from the game I would most like to see to the game I would least like to see:
- 1) Georgia Tech: I think this would be a nice OOC series because GaTech is good enough that it could be challenging. Also, Atlanta is a fun destination and not too far of a drive (for those who like to drive) and an easy flight due to ATL being a big hub (for those who like to fly).
- 2) Ole Miss: Basically just because they are an SEC team.
- 3) Mississippi State: See #2 above.
- 4) Wake Forest: Recruiting is better in NC than KS so I'd rather play the Deacons than the Jayhawks
- 5) Kansas: I wouldn't schedule a H&H with Kansas unless we got at least a six game HHH&HHH basketball series out of the deal and even then I wouldn't be thrilled about it.
- 6) Iowa State: Anything that is good for the Cyclones is bad for the Hawkeyes and that is bad for the B1G so I wouldn't schedule ISU under any circumstances.
You wouldn’t schedule ISU under any circumstances because of Iowa? Really?
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You wouldn’t schedule ISU under any circumstances because of Iowa? Really?
Yes, they are an instate competitor to a fellow B1G team so I wouldn't schedule them.
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Yes, they are an instate competitor to a fellow B1G team so I wouldn't schedule them.
That seems kind of silly. I don’t mean that to sound spirited but it’s the word that fits best for me. I don’t think a home and home against ISU does anything substantial to Iowa’s program one way or another. I’m guessing the same standard applies to Pitt and, really, ND.
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ISU getting better hurts Iowa quite a bit. Nebraska too, in a lesser sense.
Iowa and ISU compete for the same in-state (a small state) recruits, and both are getting pretty heavy in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois too.
I know ISU and Iowa have forced UW to move faster on in-state Wisconsin kids. They are offering two years early these days.
ISU = Satan. Screw ISU.
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That seems kind of silly. I don’t mean that to sound spirited but it’s the word that fits best for me. I don’t think a home and home against ISU does anything substantial to Iowa’s program one way or another. I’m guessing the same standard applies to Pitt and, really, ND.
FWIW: I would view a H&H with Pitt differently. They are an instate competitor to PSU but PA is a big enough state to have two big programs. Iowa isn't.
I also view ND differently because their fanbase and recruiting are more national in scope and not so regional like most schools.
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You wouldn’t schedule ISU under any circumstances because of Iowa? Really?
Good Topic,I agree Iowa boat racing a cocky Buckeye Squad off of a big win does more harm than an OOC opponent in the Conference footprint.Anybody,Anytime,Anywhere, Right ?
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ISU getting better hurts Iowa quite a bit. Nebraska too, in a lesser sense.
Iowa and ISU compete for the same in-state (a small state) recruits, and both are getting pretty heavy in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois too.
I know ISU and Iowa have forced UW to move faster on in-state Wisconsin kids. They are offering two years early these days.
ISU = Satan. Screw ISU.
I guess my larger point is this. In the grand scheme of things Ohio St and ISU playing each other once or twice is pretty insignificant. If Ohio St needed to fill a date and ISU was available I wouldn’t worry a great deal about what little impact it might have on Iowa.
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FWIW: I would view a H&H with Pitt differently. They are an instate competitor to PSU but PA is a big enough state to have two big programs. Iowa isn't.
I dunno,Matt Campbell says hello
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I think the only power conference schools that Michigan hasn't played are TCU, Texas Tech, Iowa State, LSU, and Clemson, the last two of which are ones I hope Michigan will schedule.
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I guess my larger point is this. In the grand scheme of things Ohio St and ISU playing each other once or twice is pretty insignificant. If Ohio St needed to fill a date and ISU was available I wouldn’t worry a great deal about what little impact in might have on Iowa.
ISU attracting an OOC opponent like OSU to Ames would be great for ISU and ISU only. Same if they got USC or Bama or any other OOC helmet to come there. It would be a boon.
Ya think Texas or OU would ever venture into the beehive in Iowa City? Not a chance. It would hurt ISU.
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I guess my larger point is this. In the grand scheme of things Ohio St and ISU playing each other once or twice is pretty insignificant. If Ohio St needed to fill a date and ISU was available I wouldn’t worry a great deal about what little impact in might have on Iowa.
I mean, if we couldn't find anybody else, maybe.
The problem is that there is always the possibility that ISU *MIGHT* win for several reasons:
- First, these things are usually scheduled a decade or more in advance and we have no guarantee that Ohio State will be an elite team and better than ISU in 2030.
- Second, upsets do happen so the Buckeyes might lose even if they are better and even if they are elite and ISU is mediocre. Elite tOSU teams have lost badly the past two years to mediocre teams and ISU has a pretty good track record of occasionally knocking off elite opponents.
If ISU were to knock off the Buckeyes that would help their recruiting (against Iowa) immensely. If I were the ISU coach I would go to Iowa HS kids and say "Why be a Hawkeye and get beat up by the Ohio State's of the world when you could be a Cyclone and beat them."
Ohio State, of course, lost to Iowa recently but that is different in part because there is a long history with Iowa. Iowa's 2017 win over Ohio State still only gives them two wins in 17 tries in the past 27 years and just a .254 winning percentage overall. If Ohio State lost to ISU they'd be 0-1 overall. Even if the Buckeyes won the other half of a hypothetical H&H they would still only be .500 overall which is way worse than the .746 against Iowa.
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ISU attracting an OOC opponent like OSU to Ames would be great for ISU and ISU only. Same if they got USC or Bama or any other OOC helmet to come there. It would be a boon.
Ya think Texas or OU would ever venture into the beehive in Iowa City? Not a chance. It would hurt ISU.
Not exactly a rebuttal to your point, but, FWIW, OU did play Iowa in Norman in 1979.
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OU's Rose Bowl game with Georgia after the 2017 season checked a block.
OU has not played Georgia Tech, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Rutgers, or South Carolina.
Of those, I'd be most interested in seeing us play Georgia Tech or Michigan State.
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Not exactly a rebuttal to your point, but, FWIW, OU did play Iowa in Norman in 1979.
In Norman. Sure, why not? 40 years is a long time though. I was 12.
In Iowa City? Not happening, and we know why.
Unless, of course, OU joins the B1G West (with Texas).
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a 2 game series with ISU does little to nothing to hurt the Hawks
but, if there were to be many many games scheduled in the future there might be some significant impact
the hawks playing in Ames every other season helps ISU and therefore hurts Iowa much more than a few games vs Ohio state or Michigan or Wisconsin
is this an unspoken directive in the Big Ten office at the request of the Hawks?
Moos and Frost have talked about playing old Big 8 and Big 12 rivals in the future, oddly the Cyclones don't come up as often or at all. The talk is about Mizzou, KSU, Kansas, Okie St, OU, and CU
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a 2 game series with ISU does little to nothing to hurt the Hawks
but, if there were to be many many games scheduled in the future there might be some significant impact
the hawks playing in Ames every other season helps ISU and therefore hurts Iowa much more than a few games vs Ohio state or Michigan or Wisconsin
is this an unspoken directive in the Big Ten office at the request of the Hawks?
Moos and Frost have talked about playing old Big 8 and Big 12 rivals in the future, oddly the Cyclones don't come up as often or at all. The talk is about Mizzou, KSU, Kansas, Okie St, OU, and CU
I don't think there is any directive from the B1G but I just wouldn't do it if I were tOSU's (or any other B1G school's) AD.
It makes sense that UNL would have little-or-no interest in playing ISU because they already have an annual conference game against an Iowa school. Mizzou, the Kansas schools, the Oklahoma schools, and Colorado are all places that Nebraska no longer regularly travels to so those make more sense.
Obviously the big one that most people would want to see is OU because of the history there and I agree. That said, Nebraska games against Mizzou or Colorado would have an interesting B8/B12 alum now B1G, SEC, or PAC factor.
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I think a lot of B1G teams will have a long list simply because of the old "bowl ban", same with ND.
Good call, forgot about that.
Plus for seemingly like 15+ years (at least early 90s through mid 2000s) the Big Ten played the Pac 10 in the Rose and Sun each year; and the SEC in the Citrus/Outback, plus then the Music City. I don't think we had any ACC or Big East tie ins, and the Alamo was our only Big 12 tie in, so even once the bowl ban was lifted, there wasn't a wide degree of circulation.
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In Norman. Sure, why not? 40 years is a long time though. I was 12.
In Iowa City? Not happening, and we know why.
Unless, of course, OU joins the B1G West (with Texas).
Heh! I don't know if we know why or not.
In any event, Iowa had company in being a major conference team playing a singleton in Norman in the 1970s.
1970: Oregon State
1972: Oregon, Clemson
1974: Wake Forest
1975: Oregon
1976: Cal
1978: West Virginia
1979: Iowa
I grant you that it's not likely that OU and Iowa will schedule a home-and-home in the near future.
About your last point, would you please use your connections to get the ball rolling on that? ;)
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ISU attracting an OOC opponent like OSU to Ames would be great for ISU and ISU only. Same if they got USC or Bama or any other OOC helmet to come there. It would be a boon.
Ya think Texas or OU would ever venture into the beehive in Iowa City? Not a chance. It would hurt ISU.
I would guess OU or UT not going into Iowa City has a lot more to do with their own self preservation than it does with caring much about what lowly Iowa St thinks about it.
I would guess the same could be said about Ohio St. I get that Ohio St doesn’t need to go into Ames but if they ever did or just wanted for whatever reason I doubt they would be calling the Iowa AD asking for permission.
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About your last point, would you please use your connections to get the ball rolling on that? ;)
I'm retiring this year. I've tried, and failed, to accomplish this. Maybe the next guy will do better.
On a serious note though, I imagine when the LHN goes away there will be talks.
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I would guess OU or UT not going into Iowa City has a lot more to do with their own self preservation than it does with caring much about what lowly Iowa St thinks about it.
I would guess the same could be said about Ohio St. I get that Ohio St doesn’t need to go into Ames but if they ever did or just wanted for whatever reason I doubt they would be calling the Iowa AD asking for permission.
I'm mostly just having fun with this thing. I'm sure you know this though. :)
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Lol. No worries. Football season is still two months away and I’m stuck in an airport. I’m just looking for an argument to pass the time.
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I would guess OU or UT not going into Iowa City has a lot more to do with their own self preservation than it does with caring much about what lowly Iowa St thinks about it.
I would guess the same could be said about Ohio St. I get that Ohio St doesn’t need to go into Ames but if they ever did or just wanted for whatever reason I doubt they would be calling the Iowa AD asking for permission.
I am concerned for Iowa but if I thought that playing ISU would be good for Ohio State, that would trump my concern for Iowa. However, it wouldn't because the Buckeyes already play games in Iowa. Any recruit, fan, or alum in Iowa who wants to see the Buckeyes live can just wait a few years until the next Ohio State game in Kinnick.
There simply isn't any reason for Ohio State to schedule an OOC game inside the B1G footprint, we already have that covered.
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Toledo,BG,Cinci,N.Ill,Kent St - it's just that the Cyclones would have a better chance of bouncing the Big Boys
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Toledo,BG,Cinci,N.Ill,Kent St - it's just that the Cyclones would have a better chance of bouncing the Big Boys
I should perhaps have clarified that I meant a H&H. The Buckeyes typically play a MAC school from the B1G footprint every year but that is generally a home-only affair. That isn't the same thing as a H&H with a major conference opponent.
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I am concerned for Iowa but if I thought that playing ISU would be good for Ohio State, that would trump my concern for Iowa.
Exactly. And that’s all I was really getting at. I was questioning your “under no circumstances” comment. In reality, there really isn’t a reason for Ohio St to go to Ames, but if there were they (and you) would do it.
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The Cocks have never played a game against the Beavers.
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Ah but the Trojans have,those damn transgender millenials
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I am concerned for Iowa but if I thought that playing ISU would be good for Ohio State, that would trump my concern for Iowa. However, it wouldn't because the Buckeyes already play games in Iowa. Any recruit, fan, or alum in Iowa who wants to see the Buckeyes live can just wait a few years until the next Ohio State game in Kinnick.
There simply isn't any reason for Ohio State to schedule an OOC game inside the B1G footprint, we already have that covered.
and Iowa only has a population of 3 million, with a lack or 4 and 5 stars
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The Cocks have never played a game against the Beavers.
Ah but the Trojans have,those damn transgender millenials
The Trojans have never played all those NFL teams they said they could beat 15 years back when Leinart and Bush were in the backfield.
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ISU attracting an OOC opponent like OSU to Ames would be great for ISU and ISU only. Same if they got USC or Bama or any other OOC helmet to come there. It would be a boon.
Ya think Texas or OU would ever venture into the beehive in Iowa City? Not a chance. It would hurt ISU.
Interesting question. Iowa almost never schedules a major school off-campus without a return to Iowa City. But, in 1979 Iowa played @ Oklahoma, losing 21-6 in Hayden Fry's 1st year. It must have been scheduled a decade earlier, but why a return was never scheduled is a complete mystery and I lost track of this scheduling blunder, until I read this thread.
In many ways Iowa State, despite its little brother tradition, could eclipse Iowa in football following, as it has about the past 5-years in enrollment. It is becoming a real future possibility. It's proximity to the Big Apple of Iowa, and expanding fan base, and increasingly good coaching staff, contributes to its prospects for doing so. I am an advocate for Iowa dropping Iowa State at least occasionally from the schedule and rescheduling Iowa's traditional rivalry week rival, Notre Dame, who was dissed 50-years ago by Iowa, in favor of the politicians' reinstatement of Iowa State yearly.
When the Iowa State - Iowa rivalry renewed in 1977 (after a hiatus since 1934) Iowa State had a stadium seating about 35,000. Iowa State now seats 61,000. And it could grow more. ISU has a surging fan base.
The Iowa-Iowa State rivalry did more to elevate Iowa State in the long run than anything else Iowa State accomplished in football in the Big 8 or Big 12. This "rivalry, acts against Iowa's long-term interest, and the people in charge of Iowa athletics are not from Iowa, do not understand its history, and are incapable of moving away from it.
Ostriches are rare in Iowa, but you can find them, if you keep your head above ground.
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ISU attracting an OOC opponent like OSU to Ames would be great for ISU and ISU only. Same if they got USC or Bama or any other OOC helmet to come there. It would be a boon.
Ya think Texas or OU would ever venture into the beehive in Iowa City? Not a chance. It would hurt ISU.
I luv ya badge but this is an odd take and reeks of SECSECSEC-type defensiveness. Pretty sure you know that, though. :)
Texas just completed a home-and-home against Maryland-- much to our dismay, sadly of course. Given your reasoning it might not have sat well with WVU, but in reality i doubt they cared at all. And I can assure you it wasn't for the sake of bolstering recruiting in the area. Arguably it was for a "proximity" game to a relatively large alumni area, but it certainly wasn't a strategic "win" for the program.
And I can also assure you the LHN has absolutely nothing to do with Texas' OOC scheduling. But of course you know that, too.
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the H & H between the Horns and Terps was obviously a big win for the Terps and a poor outcome for the Horns
the Horns must have been desperate with no better options
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Well they didn't have the 'Skers to smack around anymore,left them little options :victory:
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I wonder what the most prominent P5 teams never to have played is today. UGA has not played UDubb in the dog fight of the decade.
I'm guessing FSU might be involved. Has Ohio State ever played Florida? Oh.
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Yup we've almost had as much luck against the Gators as the Dawgs have :040:
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Ha. If we think of FSU as a semi blue blood, I'm guessing they have not played major teams, like Oklahoma (we know that). ND might have missed somebody somewhere.
If Clemson is a quasi-blue blood, they have missed some folks also, like OU.
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Well they didn't have the 'Skers to smack around anymore,left them little options :victory:
that's for real
not much talk in Lincoln about a series with the Lorns
and the Horns certainly weren't going into the beehive or the cheese haven for a beating
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I miss the big UNL-CU games of the early-mid 90s, I wish they played every year. For me (and my age group, probably), that was a bigger game than UNL-OU. If the Huskers are looking for an annual OOC rival, why not the Buffs?
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Florida has never played CU, but has them scheduled in the future. Aside from them, the Gators haven't played Wisconsin, Minnesota, Stanford, TCU, ASU, Purdue, or Arizona. None of those is particularly sexy, aside from the potential of playing @ Madison in November one year and inviting the Badgers down to the Swamp in early September.
I'm wary of playing @ Boulder, as most of the Florida boys having never lived above sea level.
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Colorado really fell off hard. I can recall when UDubb was bad. I think the head coach is important.
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You don't say.
Those early-mid 90s CU teams may only have been good because OU was in a real downturn, itself.
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You don't say.
Those early-mid 90s CU teams may only have been good because OU was in a real downturn, itself.
It's like when Florida-FSU-Miami can only produce one good team a year ....
I'm kidding.
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Ha. Now you're making me want to look up the best final finish with all 3 involved.
Going back since 1991:
there seems to be a cap at all 3 teams in the top 7, accomplished three times: 1991, 1994, and 2000. Wow.
The worst that I found was 2004, where the top of the trio was ranked 14th (Miami). Yeeeash.
3 teams from the same state in the top 7 is nuts, to do it 3x in 10 years is stupid.
Something I haven't heard, that just occurred to me - the ascension of Alabama may have really hindered (is hindering) FSU. They're relatively close together, and I know FSU won it all in 2013, but they haven't been the same since Bama started mattering again.
Separately, I wonder if that FSU-Auburn championship game was the closest, geographically, of all-time. Anyone?
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I suspect FSU-Auburn would be hard to surpass for proximity. Obviously, UGA-Tech would, but nope. Is Florida closer to FSU than Auburn?
USC-UCLA might be the closest P5 teams in the country - ????
I'm likely forgetting two teams in the same city.
No, UNC and Duke are about 6 miles apart.
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What are the closest P5 teams not in the same conference? USCe-Clemson? FSU-Auburn? UGA-Tech? About 65 miles.
Miami-Washington on the other side?
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Interesting question. Iowa almost never schedules a major school off-campus without a return to Iowa City. But, in 1979 Iowa played @ Oklahoma, losing 21-6 in Hayden Fry's 1st year. It must have been scheduled a decade earlier, but why a return was never scheduled is a complete mystery and I lost track of this scheduling blunder, until I read this thread.
In many ways Iowa State, despite its little brother tradition, could eclipse Iowa in football following, as it has about the past 5-years in enrollment. It is becoming a real future possibility. It's proximity to the Big Apple of Iowa, and expanding fan base, and increasingly good coaching staff, contributes to its prospects for doing so. I am an advocate for Iowa dropping Iowa State at least occasionally from the schedule and rescheduling Iowa's traditional rivalry week rival, Notre Dame, who was dissed 50-years ago by Iowa, in favor of the politicians' reinstatement of Iowa State yearly.
When the Iowa State - Iowa rivalry renewed in 1977 (after a hiatus since 1934) Iowa State had a stadium seating about 35,000. Iowa State now seats 61,000. And it could grow more. ISU has a surging fan base.
The Iowa-Iowa State rivalry did more to elevate Iowa State in the long run than anything else Iowa State accomplished in football in the Big 8 or Big 12. This "rivalry, acts against Iowa's long-term interest, and the people in charge of Iowa athletics are not from Iowa, do not understand its history, and are incapable of moving away from it.
Ostriches are rare in Iowa, but you can find them, if you keep your head above ground.
This is a classic picture from that game, with Iowa's freshman DB Bob Stoops going airborne in an attempt to stop Oklahoma's Billy Sims.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/uhw5d2ZieRw2cWY821MJEk7Pcdt_Z5om_L4N2OBBkwU.jpg?auto=webp&s=c1487739a5725b0ca2dd3f9cac5a5a96cc74543f)
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I suspect FSU-Auburn would be hard to surpass for proximity. Obviously, UGA-Tech would, but nope. Is Florida closer to FSU than Auburn?
USC-UCLA might be the closest P5 teams in the country - ????
I'm likely forgetting two teams in the same city.
No, UNC and Duke are about 6 miles apart.
Gainesville is closer to Tallahassee than Auburn is, but only by 40 miles. And Florda-FSU became the de facto national championship game, it wasn't scheduled as one, to be technical.
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I see straight line is 129 miles Gville to Tally.
Athens to Clemson is 59 miles, straight line. Athens to ATL is 61 miles.
Somebody is probably closer, P5 teams in different conferences, maybe in Texas.
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I see straight line is 129 miles Gville to Tally.
Athens to Clemson is 59 miles, straight line. Athens to ATL is 61 miles.
Somebody is probably closer, P5 teams in different conferences, maybe in Texas.
Not in Texas. TCU to Baylor is 87 miles. Baylor to ATM is 85 miles. Those are the two closest pairs of P5 schools in Baja Oklahoma.
Nor in Oklahoma proper. OU and Oklahoma State are 84 miles apart.
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Google has Morgantown to Pittsburgh at 75.2 miles. Hence, the term Backyard Brawl.
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I think:
Closest P5 programs: Duke and UNC 10 miles (USC-UCLA is 13 miles)
Closest P5 programs in different conferences: UGA and GaTech
Closest P5 teams never to have played: I think Louisville and someone in the B1G, Indiana?
Closest teams to have played in a NC game (BCS or PO): Alabama - UGA (I think)
Furthest teams never to have played - Miami and UDubb, but I did not check this. BC and UCLA might be close.
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I think:
Closest P5 programs: Duke and UNC 10 miles (USC-UCLA is 13 miles)
Closest P5 programs in different conferences: UGA and GaTech
Closest P5 teams never to have played: I think Louisville and someone in the B1G, Indiana?
Closest teams to have played in a NC game (BCS or PO): Alabama - UGA (I think)
Furthest teams never to have played - Miami and UDubb, but I did not check this. BC and UCLA might be close.
Miami and Washington have played. Washington was Miami’s only loss in 2000 when they finished 2nd in the country behind Oklahoma. And in ‘94 Washington was the team that broke Miami’s 58 game home winning streak.
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Darn.
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Louisville and IU played in the 80s. They are playing another series in a few years.
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Louisville and IU played in the 80s. They are playing another series in a few years.
Cannot wait for that one!!!
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More importantly they agreed to resume the hoops series, the football was simply fodder.
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Louisville and Illinois? Closest never to have played P5 teams. ???
I think it has to be Laville.
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Miami and Washington have played. Washington was Miami’s only loss in 2000 when they finished 2nd in the country behind Oklahoma. And in ‘94 Washington was the team that broke Miami’s 58 game home winning streak.
Stole my thunder yup,I think even outlaws were rooting for UW.Proverbial good guy/bad guy scenario
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Laville played the Illini twice I see, and Ohio State, also Tennessee, Missouri, and Vandy. Vandy was a shot.
Never played Northwestern though.
269 air miles from Laville to Chicago, call it 280 to NW, 315 driving.
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Slightly off topic because both are not P5, and in the 100 years between 1917 and 2016 they played 72 times. But the closest teams in different States must be Washington State and the University of Idaho. 9 1/2 miles according to Mapquest.
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Topic? Topic? We don't need no stinkin' topic.
I had no clue they were that close. 9.4 miles.
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Mike Price didn't do anything differently off the field at Washington State. It's just that he wouldn't have been recognized less than 10 miles away in Moscow, Idaho. When he got to Alabama he would have been recognized in Moscow, Russia.
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Bama's list is:
Indiana
Iowa
Northwestern
Purdue
Wake Forest
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Kansas
Kansas State
Oregon
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
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Not having played Virginia is unexpected, for me, for an SEC team.
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Wazzou and Idaho were P5 Conference rivals in the predecessor to the Pac 8, which was the Pac 8 plus Idaho and Montana.
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Not having played Virginia is unexpected, for me, for an SEC team.
Auburn is the only SEC Western Division team that Virginia has ever played. Plus Missouri. Of course many of us are still attempting to understand why MO is in the East Division.
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That is almost shocking. UGA has played UVA 19 times.
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Gainesville is closer to Tallahassee than Auburn is, but only by 40 miles. And Florda-FSU became the de facto national championship game, it wasn't scheduled as one, to be technical.
By the time it was played that game was effectively the NC because #4 Ohio State had already knocked off #2 ASU. Thus the winner of #3 UF vs #1 FSU was pretty much guaranteed the NC.
I know this well because I listed to that game on the radio in the van on the way home from Pasadena while rooting for a close and ugly UF win over FSU and all the while knowing that even that wouldn't realistically be enough for my Buckeyes.
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Auburn is the only SEC Western Division team that Virginia has ever played. Plus Missouri. Of course many of us are still attempting to understand why MO is in the East Division.
Because it's more east than College Station?
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Missouri has three East division teams in bordering states, and only one West division team.
Through that lense it would make more sense to swap the Razorbacks with the Gators. Go with a North-South alignment.
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Tennessee and Kentucky and ....
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Vanderbilt
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Missouri has three East division teams in bordering states, and only one West division team.
Through that lense it would make more sense to swap the Razorbacks with the Gators. Go with a North-South alignment.
I can't imagine any SEC fandoms being happy being in the "North" division, to be honest.
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By the time it was played that game was effectively the NC because #4 Ohio State had already knocked off #2 ASU. Thus the winner of #3 UF vs #1 FSU was pretty much guaranteed the NC.
I know this well because I listed to that game on the radio in the van on the way home from Pasadena while rooting for a close and ugly UF win over FSU and all the while knowing that even that wouldn't realistically be enough for my Buckeyes.
If it had been a playoff, I figure Florida drills ASU, but FSU-OSU would've been a helluva game. Of course, the Gators mop up the tired winner.
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Vanderbilt
I misread your post, this is getting to be too much of a habit.
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There has been some talk about realignment, with Auburn switching with Mizzou. Meh, whatever.
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Why do old people say WaRshington? Or is it only Lee Corso?
What Price did at WSU was nothing short of spectacular. His good seasons there weren't just big-offense/good luck, they stopped the run, too. Helluva coaching job.
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There has been some talk about realignment, with Auburn switching with Mizzou. Meh, whatever.
HAHAHAHAHA
The Bama-Auburn-UGA-Tenn quartet would never let that happen. They're the reason the rest of the conference has invented, permanent, cross-division rivals, so that they can.
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You could put Auburn in the East and pair them with Bama, and allow Tennessee to avoid annual embarrassment.
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As long as the SEC HQ is still located in the Birmingham metro (which makes little sense IMHO, should be Atlanta), there's no way Alabama and Auburn will be put in separate divisions.
With that being said, many Bama fans (especially the 50+ crowd) would rather keep the Tennessee rivalry than the Auburn one if it came down to a choice. Tennessee hasn't been very competitive lately, but "Vols" is a four-letter word in many Alabama households and most are wise enough to know that the annual spankathons aren't going to last forever.
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You could put Auburn in the East and pair them with Bama, and allow Tennessee to avoid annual embarrassment.
Bama, Auburn, UGA, and Florida in one division is too much, long-term. You'd be giving LSU a free pass to Atlanta more times than not.
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Bama, Auburn, UGA, and Florida in one division is too much, long-term. You'd be giving LSU a free pass to Atlanta more times than not.
I think that Cincy meant put Auburn in the East and have Bama be the cross-divisional rival. That would let Missouri move to the West.
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Looking at Brutus' list from the OP of schools that Ohio State has never played, here are their AP Poll histories (all are out of 1,151 total polls over 83 seasons):
- Iowa State: 48 appearances (4%), one appearance in the top-10 (2002) never higher than #9. 1 preseason ranking, 2 final rankings.
- Kansas: 109 appearances (9%), 38 top-10 appearances, 9 top-5 appearances, 1 appearance at #2, never #1. 6 preseason rankings including one top-10, 7 final rankings including 3 top-10's.
- Mississippi: 289 appearances (25%), 124 top-10 appearances, 61 top-5 appearances, 21 appearances in the top-2, 5 appearances at #1. 18 preseason rankings including 11 top-10, 4 top-5, 2 #2 and 1 #1, 25 final rankings including 11 top-10, 4 top-5, and 2 #2.
- Mississippi State: 202 appearances (18%), 19 top-10 appearances, 8 top-5 appearances, 5 appearances at #1. 8 preseason rankings and 14 final rankings including 1 top-10.
- Georgia Tech: 306 appearances (27%), 146 top-10 appearances, 58 top-5 appearances, 13 appearances at #2. 14 preseason rankings including 7 top-10's and 3 top-5's, 24 final rankings including 11 top-10's, 5 top-5's and 2 #2's.
- Wake Forest: 42 appearances (4%), never higher than #11. 1 preseason ranking and 4 final rankings.
By comparison Ohio State has 902 appearances (78%), 622 top-10's, 372 top-5's, 187 top-2 appearances, and 105 appearances at #1. 65 preseason rankings including 43 top-10's, 27 top-5's, 16 top-2's, and 8 #1's along with 58 final rankings including 38 top-10's, 27 top-5's, 12 top-2's, and 5 #1's.
Of that group obviously GaTech and Ole Miss stand out but the vast majority of Ole Miss' damage was done 40+ years ago with only sporadic success since then. GaTech seems a little more consistent lately but they are still awfully sporadic with a really good year in 2009 (15 polls, high of #9) but only 21 appearances in the nine years since.
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I think that Cincy meant put Auburn in the East and have Bama be the cross-divisional rival. That would let Missouri move to the West.
Then UGA and UTK would pout. Can't have any helmets pouting. Just stick Mizzou in the East. Makes about as much sense as putting the Braves in the NL West for 4 decades.....
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In researching the above post I noticed that Ohio State has been ranked in 80 of the 83 years of the AP Poll's existence. The three exceptions are 1947, 1966, and 1967.
1947: The Buckeyes finished 1946 at 4-3-2 so it is not surprising that they started 1947 unranked. The site I use does not consistently show ORV (Others Receiving Votes) back then so I can't tell if the Buckeyes were close or not. They started the year with a win over Mizzou but that was the closest they would have gotten because after that they lost two straight (PU, USC) then had a tie (IA), then lost two more.
1966: It must be noted here that from 1962-1967 the AP Poll only ranked 10 teams so the fact that Ohio State was unranked for all of the 1966 and 1967 seasons doesn't necessarily mean that they were out of the top-25 or even the top-20 but only that they were not in the top-10. The Buckeyes started 1965 ranked #10 but fell out of the poll before they even played a game then lost their opener to UNC and never got back in. They finished 1965 7-2 and seventh among "other's receiving votes" so theoretically 17th but unranked in that 10-team era. To start 1966 the Buckeyes were 15th among ORV so theoretically 25th but unranked. They won their opener over TCU and moved up to 9th among ORV so theoretically 19th then lost three straight and finished sub .500 at 4-5.
1967: After a terrible year in 1966 (see above) it is not surprising that the Buckeyes started 1967 unranked but they were ninth among ORV so theoretically 19th. Ohio State's first game in 1967 was not until September 30 so there were three polls before that (preseason, 9/18, and 9/25). The Buckeyes were 9th and 12th among ORV in the first two then got no votes in the 9/25 poll. Then they lost their opener (Zona) and had two more losses in their first five games to drop to 2-3 and obviously unranked. After that the Buckeyes reeled off four straight wins to finish 1967 at 6-3 but they were still unranked and without votes in that 10 team era but they had done well enough to start 1968 at #11 when the poll returned to 20 teams for the 1968 season.
Once the Poll went back to 20 teams the Buckeyes were ranked in nearly every poll (91.2%) from 1968-1985.
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I can't imagine any SEC fandoms being happy being in the "North" division, to be honest.
So go with South and Deep South.
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I think Nebraska's list is three.
Boston College
Virginia
Vanderbilt
Amending to add Kentucky.
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Then UGA and UTK would pout. Can't have any helmets pouting. Just stick Mizzou in the East. Makes about as much sense as putting the Braves in the NL West for 4 decades.....
Why would UGA pout? DSOR would be in the annual East rotation. The only issue would be Bama's permanent cross-divisional opponent. Personally i wouldn't care if Bama played neither the barn nor ut on an annual basis.
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UGA would not care. They play Auburn each year, same as today, and pick up a lock in the West, maybe Alabama, heh, that would be cruel.
Anyway, it was just a rumbled proposal, not something to take seriously or worry about unduly.
Maybe the SEC would do away with universal locked pairings.
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HAHAHAHAHA
The Bama-Auburn-UGA-Tenn quartet would never let that happen. They're the reason the rest of the conference has invented, permanent, cross-division rivals, so that they can.
UGA would have no dog (pun intended) in the fight. And the obvious reference to LSU-UF is surprising. LSU fans bitch and moan about it all the time. I rarely hear a UF fan complain. Neither have a legitimate complaint because the two schools, with no guns to their heads, scheduled each other for 36 of the 39 years prior to the "invented" match up in 1992. With the exception of 1968-1970, they played every year from 1953-1991, with UF holding a slight 17-16-3 advantage. Wonder why the SEC thought they might be rivals?
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Yeah, USCe is not a rival with A&M either, most are contrived.
I'd be OK playing Alabama each year.
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Why do old people say WaRshington? Or is it only Lee Corso?
What Price did at WSU was nothing short of spectacular. His good seasons there weren't just big-offense/good luck, they stopped the run, too. Helluva coaching job.
My wife gets on me for saying I warsh my clothes. I tell her you have heard of a silent E, well there is an unwritten R in wash.
BTW it is not an old person thing, it is a central Ohio (midwestern thing) maybe comes from the Appalachian migration into Ohio
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My wife gets on me for saying I warsh my clothes. I tell her you have heard of a silent E, well there is an unwritten R in wash.
BTW it is not an old person thing, it is a central Ohio (midwestern thing) maybe comes from the Appalachian migration into Ohio
I don't know exactly where the cut-off is but I can tell you that it is prevalent in SE Ohio and not common at all in NE Ohio to put an "r" in Warshington, Warsh, etc.
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There s a convergence of north Midland and south Midland dialects which explain the narrow band of speech which has given us areas of the Midwest which pronounce Washington and wash, as Warshington or warsh.
This extends into Nebraska as well.
It seems to die out when you head north of I-70 in Indiana and Ohio, but is found north of 70 in Nebraska, Missouri and Illinois and Iowa. Again, not widespread but noticeable.
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A lot of people in St. Louis--including my mother in law--say "warsh."
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Then there are the New England accents, and Old England accents, that inexplicably add an "r" to words that end in a. Such as, "I have an idear." Curiouser and curiouser.
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A lot of people in St. Louis--including my mother in law--say "warsh."
And, come to think of it, my late father in law, raised in small-town Duncan, OK, said "worsh." He left there in his teens, and was an educated man, but some of the ways he learned to talk stayed with him his whole life.
I remember my 9th grade history teacher in Gadsden, AL, dropped the "r" in words like "washer" but added an "r" to the end of "window."
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My dad and both his mom and dad always said “warsh.” I find the way people talk very interesting. When I was a kid every time our pastor wanted to say the word favor he would say flavor. Like in we want to find “flavor” with God or when we played basketball on Monday night he would say “it’s 10-8 our flavor.” My father in law never could say the word shrimp correctly. He always took the h completely out of the pronunciation.
I don’t know if it’s an Appalachian our southern thing but we take the g off the end of most words. Nothin’, somethin’, eatin’, etc. My wife will sometimes chide me for how I pronounce the contraction “doesn’t.” Often I will pronounce it “Dutton.” Like if she asks me where I want to eat I’ll say, “It Dutton matter.” I know how to say it but it just flows to say it like that to me.
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Then there are the New England accents, and Old England accents, that inexplicably add an "r" to words that end in a. Such as, "I have an idear." Curiouser and curiouser.
So true and yet my Bostonian wife with her adding r's and dropping r's all over the place makes fun of me. LOL
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I lived in Ohio so long my relatives started having Southern accents.
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I recall listening to a Podcast that Michiganders put an "s" on the end of stores that don't have them, and it seems to trace back to Henry Ford, that it wasn't just Ford, it was his actual company. It was his plant. Ford's plant. I took a test, and failed miserably on which chains actually have an S at the end of them.
The biggest one I've noticed in Pittsburgh is the dropping of "to be". So it's "the car needs washed."
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I lived in Ohio so long my relatives started having Southern accents.
I have family that started in Michigan, moved to North Carolina, then to Minnesota. My uncle, his voice has never changed. His wife, who lived her first 30 years in Michigan, picked up a southern accent almost immediately upon moving to North Carolina; lived there about 15 years, moved to Minnesota, and now sounds like a supporting character from Fargo.
My cousin, their daughter, was born in Michigan, but moved to NC when she was 2, then Minnesota in HS, same as her mom, but less pronounced. Her brother, who was born in NC, but then moved to Minnesota at about 13, has neither a southern or a Minnesota accent, same as my uncle, his father.
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I have no accent at all, but everyone else does.
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And, come to think of it, my late father in law, raised in small-town Duncan, OK, said "worsh." He left there in his teens, and was an educated man, but some of the ways he learned to talk stayed with him his whole life.
I remember my 9th grade history teacher in Gadsden, AL, dropped the "r" in words like "washer" but added an "r" to the end of "window."
I always wanted to hear conversations between folks from Maine/N.H./Vermont and those from Southern Al./Miss/Louis
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The biggest one I've noticed in Pittsburgh is the dropping of "to be". So it's "the car needs washed."
Yinzers have their own special dialect
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The wife of course has an accent. Folks will meet here and often ask if she's from Germany, which annoys her though she doesn't show it.
She does not sound German at all of course.
My step son in SF has zero accent in either French or English. None.
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I have no accent at all, but everyone else does.
Me too.
What the hell happened to this thread?
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What the hell happened to this thread?
ELA,CD & CW hijacked it and they'll explain it to you with no accent
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I recall listening to a Podcast that Michiganders put an "s" on the end of stores that don't have them, and it seems to trace back to Henry Ford, that it wasn't just Ford, it was his actual company. It was his plant. Ford's plant. I took a test, and failed miserably on which chains actually have an S at the end of them.
The biggest one I've noticed in Pittsburgh is the dropping of "to be". So it's "the car needs washed."
"The living room needs vacuumed." "The windows need washed." "The oil needs changed." I say those things.
I don't say, "the book needs read," and I'm not sure what the distinction is.
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Why would UGA pout? DSOR would be in the annual East rotation. The only issue would be Bama's permanent cross-divisional opponent. Personally i wouldn't care if Bama played neither the barn nor ut on an annual basis.
You're in the VAST minority.
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UGA would have no dog (pun intended) in the fight. And the obvious reference to LSU-UF is surprising. LSU fans bitch and moan about it all the time. I rarely hear a UF fan complain. Neither have a legitimate complaint because the two schools, with no guns to their heads, scheduled each other for 36 of the 39 years prior to the "invented" match up in 1992. With the exception of 1968-1970, they played every year from 1953-1991, with UF holding a slight 17-16-3 advantage. Wonder why the SEC thought they might be rivals?
Pre-expansion, Florida played Miss State every year, and that'd have been just as random.
So in a conference broken into regional divisions, they decided to match up the westernmost and easternmost teams. Brilliant.
I'm not complaining about being paired up with LSU specifically, I'm just pointing out that it was all about ALA-AUB-UGA-UTK and the rest of the conference was just a 2nd thought. As long as Bama gets the Vols and Auburn gets UGA, the rest of us were put into a bingo cage and paired up willy-nilly.
Why wasn't LSU paired with Kentucky? They'd played them more than they had the Gators. LSU-UK. UF-MSU. Just as random, just as (in)defensible.
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When Georgia Tech was in the SEC, they refused to play either Mississippi team for many decades. It's kind of amazing.
Good riddance.
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Pre-expansion, Florida played Miss State every year, and that'd have been just as random.
So in a conference broken into regional divisions, they decided to match up the westernmost and easternmost teams. Brilliant.
I'm not complaining about being paired up with LSU specifically, I'm just pointing out that it was all about ALA-AUB-UGA-UTK and the rest of the conference was just a 2nd thought. As long as Bama gets the Vols and Auburn gets UGA, the rest of us were put into a bingo cage and paired up willy-nilly.
Why wasn't LSU paired with Kentucky? They'd played them more than they had the Gators. LSU-UK. UF-MSU. Just as random, just as (in)defensible.
This was one of the arguments used against having a x-div rival in the original B12. Aside from Nebraska-Oklahoma, the rest of the pairings would have been pretty random and meaningless. I think it would have been worth it to preserve that as an annual rivalry, but nobody asked me to make the decisions back in 1995.
I think the most likely pairing for Texas would have been Colorado, and that would have been fine with me. Over the late 80s/early 90s, the Longhorns and Buffs had played several times and established a little bit of a mini-rivalry already, so seeing that increase and deepen would have been a lot of fun, I think.
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When Georgia Tech was in the SEC, they refused to play either Mississippi team for many decades. It's kind of amazing.
Good riddance.
I recall doing some unrelated research but seeing many years pre-SEC-expansion where LSU didn't play several SEC schools. It seems to me that up until maybe the 80s, the SEC was a relatively loose confederation of schools that had some coincidental scheduling but not a lot of hardcore rules about it. That was just my interpretation when I saw that data, though I really have no idea.
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Looking at randomly-selected years....Florida vs:
1982
SEC: MSU, LSU, Vandy, Aub, UGA, UK
OOC: Miami (annual), USC, West Texas A&M?, Tulane, FSU (annual)
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1977
SEC: MSU, LSU, Tenn, Aub, UGA, UK
OOC: Rice, Pitt, Utah, Miami, FSU
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1973
SEC: MSU, LSU, Bama, Ole Miss, Aub, UGA, UK
OOC: KSU, Southern Miss, Miami, FSU
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When they were figuring all this out in 1989/1990, Florida vs Auburn was a huge game. No, it wasn't "The Deep South's Oldest Rivalry", but with the expansion and divisions, it was gone. Yes, we played LSU all the time, but we also played MSU as well. With only 6 conference games, it looks like it was mostly 5 set games and 2 revolving door spots....and not even a set number of games ('73).
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Interesting that the number of conference games varied that much from year to year.
One expects stuff like that from 100+ years ago, but not in the modern era.
Here's a look at The Deep South's Oldest Rivalry (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/11/16632228/deep-souths-oldest-rivalry-auburn-georgia).
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I think the old SEC was a kind of "confederation" (huh) of schools that occasionally played each other, or not. I don't even know if there was a commissioner or board or anything. Many titles of course were shared.
I think Tech got uppity and left thinking they could be Notre Dame of the south.
I truly would like to drop them from the schedule.
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What P5 programs have never squared off against your school on the gridiron?
For OSU, it is Iowa St, Kansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest.
Iowa St and Kansas stand out as odd, being in the Midwest. Georgia Tech and Ole Miss would probably be the most intriguing match ups in that group.
What are some other P5 schools that have never played against one another?
I suppose you could put an asterisk for Louisville and Utah, as OSU hasn't played either team since they were elevated to P5 status. The Buckeyes played Louisville twice in the 90s, and the Utes once in the 80s.
The Wolverines of course have had a few games with the Utes... O0
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This was one of the arguments used against having a x-div rival in the original B12. Aside from Nebraska-Oklahoma, the rest of the pairings would have been pretty random and meaningless. I think it would have been worth it to preserve that as an annual rivalry, but nobody asked me to make the decisions back in 1995.
I think the most likely pairing for Texas would have been Colorado, and that would have been fine with me. Over the late 80s/early 90s, the Longhorns and Buffs had played several times and established a little bit of a mini-rivalry already, so seeing that increase and deepen would have been a lot of fun, I think.
That's great, until you start looking at who was paired with who else. SEC West programs should (were?) have been mad that Ole Miss was with Vanderbilt - a virtual gimmie a vast majority of the time. Texas Tech or somebody could steal a few XII South titles because they'd been randomly paired with Kansas or some other easy out.
A small minority of schools should not hold the rest of the conference hostage like that, period.
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I was glad to have been matched with Oklahoma to get that one checked. (I was not so happy just before half time of course.)
I worried that the 9 game conference slate would diminish the frequency of Big OOC pairings. Then I looked at Tennessee's OOC slate this year with only 8 conference games and sighed. BYU is their toughest opponent, at home of course.
I think everyone should play ten P5 opponents each year. Two pastries is enough.
If your team is good, you get 2-3 pastries in conference play anyway.
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I'm worried that the Big Ten will go back to 8 conference games
I'd rather go to 10
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I would rather play 8 and 2 P5 OOC opponents, ten total. I'd rather have 12 team conference too, but that dog has run the course.
I guess adding Mizzou and A&M was a net benefit, not so sure about Maryland and Rutgers.
Laville was IMHO a disaster. Pitt? Meh. Everybody rushed to grab someone. Now we're stuck.
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it seems like you're right, we're stuck, but things can be changed. Subtractions can be made.
10 team conferences with 9 games would be the best
12 team conferences with 9 or 10 games would be better than what we have now.
as TV changes, if ever, and quality content becomes more valuable, we could see teams that carry little value such as Laville get left out and conferences become smaller again
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I personally like Big OOC games. I think most of us do. There are so few NOW that really matter it makes making comparisons difficult.
The number this season appears to me to be lower than normal. I saw some list of top 15 OOC games and half of them were ridiculous.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-best-nonconference-games-2019/1drlcad7cs1ik1e7g3v2k4mb90 (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-best-nonconference-games-2019/1drlcad7cs1ik1e7g3v2k4mb90)
They list FAU at Ohio State at #15, Come on. Duke at Alabama is #7!!!! BS.
Only the top 3 are really relevant to the playoff situation barring a large upset.
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FAU is dead last in the list of OSU OOC games that I am looking forward to. They are only playing it because they had to scramble to find an opponent when the TCU series got switched to a one off neutral site game.
Cincinnati is the most compelling game on OSU's OOC slate by any conceivable metric. In state opponent, coming off of an 11-2 season, the whole Luke Fickel story line, etc.
FAU was 5-7 last year, en route to a 5th place finish in CUSA East. Even the Miami Redhawks coming off of a 6-6 season is more compelling than an out of state FCS call up who is noteworthy only because they "have Lane Kiffin" as if that were something to be proud of.
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That's great, until you start looking at who was paired with who else. SEC West programs should (were?) have been mad that Ole Miss was with Vanderbilt - a virtual gimmie a vast majority of the time. Texas Tech or somebody could steal a few XII South titles because they'd been randomly paired with Kansas or some other easy out.
A small minority of schools should not hold the rest of the conference hostage like that, period.
That's a VERY fair point, OAM, and very possibly the one used by the B12 in 1995 to decide against the x-div rivalry game.
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Yeah, my point obviously is that the number of really engaging OOC games in 2019 appears to me to be very low. If Duke at Alabama is #7 on any list, there's your sign.
Pfiffle.