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Title: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 04, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
First EVER meeting between OU and UGa.

I was a UGa post-doc for 2 years, so am a little bit Dawg and Georgia is my favorite (and only) SEC team.  That won’t stop me in being 100% behind the Sooners, but still I’m glad to see Georgia win the SEC and hope both teams play a good game.

Im guessing Georgia will be favored since they have an incredible defense and a really good offense.  But am not sure they’ve faced an offense this year as good as OU.  Or have they?

And has OU faced a ground game as stout as UGa’s?  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 04, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
I like OU in a boat race.  UGA's defense is good, but not good enough to stop OU.  OU's defense is just not good.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 04, 2017, 12:04:28 PM
The early line has OU up slightly, with Georgia as a +1.5/2 dog.   Basically it's nearly a pick'em, but as a Sooner fan, I'd rather see the opponent as the favorite.  Sooners tend to rise to the occasion when they're down.  My guess is Georgia won't mind being a (slight) dawg in this one.

Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on December 04, 2017, 12:17:29 PM
Odd how GA-OU are in the Rose Bowl while tOSU-USC are in the Cotton Bowl.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 04, 2017, 12:47:56 PM
CBS Sports (IIRC) ran a bazillion simulations and got Bama over Clemson 60:40 and Georgia over OU 51:49.  Then Bama over Georgia 70:30.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 04, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
70:30??  Wow, that's a decidedly non SEC-east friendly algorithm ... I mean, what does Bama have that's so over-powering here?  I'd assume the computer would also simulate a decided Alabama advantage over OU.  I think Bammer are a really really (really really) good team, but not that much better than their Athens neighbors, or than Clemson who beat them last year, or for that matter OU.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 04, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
70:30??  Wow, that's a decidedly non SEC-east friendly algorithm ... I mean, what does Bama have that's so over-powering here?  I'd assume the computer would also simulate a decided Alabama advantage over OU.  I think Bammer are a really really (really really) good team, but not that much better than their Athens neighbors, or than Clemson who beat them last year, or for that matter OU.
I don't.  Alabama struggled with every team they played with a pulse (which was hardly any), and flat lost convincingly to a "pretty good" Auburn team.  They may be one of the best 4 teams in the country, but they're nothing like the Alabama teams of years past.  
Getting a few LBs back healthy and maybe some good game-planning in the month off could help that, maybe.  But to this point in the season?  No....they haven't been really, really (really really) good.  
I've never seen so many WRs running free as our game with them this year.  No less than 5 plays were likely TDs, and we're talking about a completely different outcome if Etling hadn't chosen that one game to go 0% on deep balls that day.  I can only imagine what Mayfield would do to them given any type of similar circumstances.  We won the battle of the trenches this year--though not handily--and we're just "pretty decent" on the lines.  
If this is the case, you're hardly alone Fred, but I have to wonder how much people are actually watching them and how much is just the Bama reputation and their shiny 11-1 record.  If Clemson and Bama both play like they did over the last month, Bama won't see the winner of your game.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 04, 2017, 01:11:42 PM
You know them better than me Mike, so I'll defer to your opinion on this.  I've just watched them in bits and pieces, and they looked really good to me in the trenches, but then again I'll admit that I'm pretty in awe of them in general.  I'd really like for OU to have a chance to play them for the title, since all Bama fans write off the Sugar bowl result in 2013 as a case of "OU had everything to play for, and Bama didn't care since they weren't playing for the NC"

But then again, I don't really care who OU plays - all three teams left are going to be hard as hell to beat.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 04, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
Yep.  It will play out on the field.  The only numbers that matter will be the ones on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: EastAthens on December 04, 2017, 11:43:23 PM
I am really looking forward to finally getting to see the Dawgs play OU.  I first became aware of Oklahoma back sometime in the late 60's.  OU playing Nebraska was nationally televised every year and it seems like it was always the day after Thanksgiving and the only game on, although memory plays tricks.  As an 8 year old, I thought the Sooner Schooner made OU the best team on the planet.  To finally get you guys and in Pasadena, no less, makes this a special game for me.

Mayfield is terrifying and the Dawgs' best defense is named the UGA running game and 15 play drives.  Good luck Sooners.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 05, 2017, 07:55:25 AM
Thanks, EastAthens.  The feeling is mutual.  This is a dream matchup for this Sooner fan.  Congratuations on your conference championship.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Cincydawg on December 05, 2017, 02:16:49 PM
First Rose Bowl appearance for UGA since January, 1943 (which they won and claim an NC as a result which is contested of course).  First time the teams meet.    First conference championship for UGA since 2005.  Ties UGA with Tennessee for most SEC championships in CFB (not counting Bama).

UGa has the Butkus Award winner in Roquan Smith who in my mind is the best LB I've seen at UGA in, well, forever.  UGA also has the Number Two career rusher in Nick Chubb, who recovered from that awful knee injury two years back.  The Number 3 career rusher at UGA is Sony Michel, whose parents were immigrants, both of them are outstanding young men.

UGA of course has that insurance guy behind center.  He's no Baker Mayfield of course by any stretch, but who is?  VY?

OU's colors are a sort of red and white as I recall while Georgia's are a real red and real black.  OU is known for having an outstanding fan base.  Georgia's fan base is known for traveling perhaps because the team didn't use to travel very far, ever and they are just learning there are more than 8 states in the country.

This should be a good game, but Mayfield seems like the kind of guy who can pull games out when needed.  We often see the NC team with one of those kinds of QBs that is mobile and can make plays.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Cincydawg on December 05, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
UGA of course played TCU in a minor bowl game last season.  Both teams were a lot better this year.

OU played Auburn last season as well, and Auburn probably was better this year, but lost to OU and UGA last year and went 1-1 with UGA this year.  The OU-Auburn game was close for a half.  That could presage this one.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 05, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
I've picked against OU (and Baker) all year and been wrong almost every time.  At some point you learn your lesson.

Well, I'm not at that point.  Dawgs win this one.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 05, 2017, 07:27:56 PM
I am really looking forward to finally getting to see the Dawgs play OU.  I first became aware of Oklahoma back sometime in the late 60's.  OU playing Nebraska was nationally televised every year and it seems like it was always the day after Thanksgiving and the only game on, although memory plays tricks.  As an 8 year old, I thought the Sooner Schooner made OU the best team on the planet.  To finally get you guys and in Pasadena, no less, makes this a special game for me.

Mayfield is terrifying and the Dawgs' best defense is named the UGA running game and 15 play drives.  Good luck Sooners.
I too am looking forward to this match-up.
Georgia is one of only seven P5 programs we have never played.  (The others are Georgia Tech, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Purdue, Rutgers, and South Carolina.)  And, for some reason or other, I'll bet we would have gone a long time before these two scheduled each other.  We don't play many SEC teams in the regular season.  We've played Alabama more than anyone else: three bowl games and a regular-season Home-n-Home.  We haven't played Arkansas outside of bowl games since the 1920s.  We've never scheduled Auburn, just played them twice in bowls.  We've only played Florida once, in the 2008 (season) BCS NCG.  We've played LSU twice in bowls, and have a series scheduled in the 2020s.  We've played a bowl game and a Home-n-Home series with Kentucky.  Ole Miss we've played once, in a bowl game.  We've played Tennessee twice in bowls and one Home-n-Home series.  And we've played Vandy three times in the regular season.  Texas A&M and Mizzou, of course, we have played many times.

It will be good to scratch Georgia off the list.  I hope we get to see a great game in which nobody gets seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 05, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
OU's colors are a sort of red and white as I recall while Georgia's are a real red and real black.
OU: Crimson and cream, Cincy.  Crimson and cream.
UGA: What about the silver britches?  Is silver not one of the colors?
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
I don't remember a lot of black

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Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 05, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
Don’t you remember the legendary blackout game vs Auburn??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOCUWVRXkk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOCUWVRXkk)
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
The team colors are red and black.  The "silver britches" is just a side feature.

Sony Michel is on the verge of a thousand yard season, and he is now #3 all time among running backs at UGA, which is pretty good company.  Number two is his roommate of course, who also is the #2 in the SEC career, despite missing most of his sophomore season with an horrific knee injury.

UGA played in the Rose Bowl 75 years ago (against Cal as I recall).  They claim a disputed (with Ohio State) NC for that year.  They lost to Auburn that year, a mediocre Auburn.  Auburn and Georgia have dealt the sole loss to each other on numerous occasions.

Sanford Stadium has an E/W orientation because it is nestled in a valley in the middle of campus.  It was completed in 1929 using mostly convict labor and hosted Yale for the first game.  It seated 30,000 at that time which was large for CFB.

The season of course started with Jacob Eason at QB, the highly regarded recruit out of Washington who started most games as a freshman when UGA went 8-5 and beat TCU in a minor bowl game.  They did not look very good last season and had a very poor offensive line.  Eason looked like a talented freshman.  Eason of course suffered a knee injury in Game One and was replaced by Jake Fromm (State Farm) who had his first start at Notre Dame and did well enough to claim the starting slot when Eason was healed up.  Eason is a Matt Stafford type while Fromm is more of an Aaron Murray type.

There also of course is Roquan Smith at LB who has had as good a season as I've seen by an LB at UGA, which is a decent group.  He has a real "nose for the ball" and elite speed and might be used to "contain?" Mayfield.

Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 06, 2017, 11:22:20 AM
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Jake Fromm (State Farm)
Nice!
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 11:30:32 AM
UGA played in the Rose Bowl 75 years ago (against Cal as I recall).  They claim a disputed (with Ohio State) NC for that year.  They lost to Auburn that year, a mediocre Auburn.  Auburn and Georgia have dealt the sole loss to each other on numerous occasions.

Sanford Stadium has an E/W orientation because it is nestled in a valley in the middle of campus.  It was completed in 1929 using mostly convict labor and hosted Yale for the first game.  It seated 30,000 at that time which was large for CFB.
CD, would you say that Auburn is UGa's biggest rival?  I know there are also rivalries with Florida and Tennessee, correct?  It's kind of interesting to me that the Dawgs have a major rivalry with Auburn, but not Alabama, at least according to Dawg fans I know.  Is it because both schools are land grant, or is it something in their history that led to "bad blood", or something else?

I like Sanford, the way it's nestled down in between academic buildings ... it kind of sneaks up on you when you're walking the UGa campus.  Stealthy.  Kind of like once when I was having a burger at the Grill, and looked up and there's Michael Stipe standing in the door way (at least I think it was him - some skinny baldish guy in a fedora like hat leaning up against the door frame like some album cover).  I was told that R.E.M. band members like to be left alone and not treated like celebs in downtown Athens, so I just looked away and kept munching on my burger.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 06, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
I've picked against OU (and Baker) all year and been wrong almost every time.  At some point you learn your lesson.

Well, I'm not at that point.  Dawgs win this one.
Keep up the good work! :sign0098:
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2017, 01:01:11 PM
Auburn is a big rival but probably not the biggest, though that depends on the age of the fan.  UGA and Auburn have had a number of epic games through the years, and each has knocked the other from the ranks of the unbeaten numerous times.  Then there is the Vince Dooley and Pat Dye cross over.  Supposedly after the 1980 season, Auburn offered Vince a million dollars (probably over X years) to coach and his kids were dead set against it, which gave the bumper sticker "Some people wouldn't go to Auburn for a million dollars!".

Obviously, Florida is a long term rival and Georgia Tech has been as well.  The latter is not so much for younger Dawg fans.  UGA and Tech have also had some epic games but Tech obviously has not been as consistently good for a while.

UGA and Auburn play every year, while Alabama plays only on the rotation, which means once every 6 years on average.  Yuck.

While Georgia is known as a state with fertile recruiting, you also see a lot of battles for recruits with Auburn and Clemson and FSU.  I looked up the last four years 247 recruiting rankings and UGA holds an edge over OU, though I think that matters little considering Mayfield was a transfer walk on.  UGA has usually recruited at a pretty high level.

I'll be a bit sad when Michel and Chubb graduate, but obviously wish them great success at the next level.  They have some great life stories even aside from football.  Chubb I think is better than many realize, especially if they looked at him before he was injured and then this year again.  When Chubb stepped in for Todd Gurley, I thought Chubb might be better, as a freshman.  Michel is almost the ideal for the NFL in terms of size and assets.

Next should be to get a home and home series with OU.  I know OU fans are very hospitable in reputation.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2017, 01:05:41 PM
I should probably also mention Larry Munson, who is looking down on this and smiling.

https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/munson-retires-listen-to-his-greatest-calls/

Just check out the AU-GA 82 call in that link.  He was a homer.  That was the team that somehow beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl that year.

Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2017, 02:24:27 PM
I was browsing the injury reports, and Baker Mayfield has a pulled groin....listed as probable.... 
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
He has nearly four weeks to get over it.  Regardless though the Sooners have a really good backup QB, Murray, who will likely have the starting job next fall.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 06, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
He has nearly four weeks to get over it.  Regardless though the Sooners have a really good backup QB, Murray, who will likely have the starting job next fall.
From what little Ive seen of Murray he appears to be more of a run and shoot QB as opposed to Mayfield who is more of a pocket passer
If Murray starts this difference will be a big surprise to the fans IMHO
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 03:06:54 PM
He has nearly four weeks to get over it.  Regardless though the Sooners have a really good backup QB, Murray, who will likely have the starting job next fall.
That little runt that came from A&M?  Please start him next year.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
Can't tell if this landed or went right over the heads.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Be careful what you wish for.

He got off to a good start with the Sooners this year.  18 of 21 passing with 3 TD passes, no picks.  He looked good to me.  He was a proven winner in high school.

OU does pretty well with QBs, including those who don’t work at other teams but have obvious talent.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 03:28:17 PM
Can't tell if this landed or went right over the heads.  
Oh okay.  Guess it went right over our heads, kind of like my “bobble crotch” comment that seemed to kill that thread.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 06, 2017, 03:32:27 PM
When A&M had both Kyle Allen and Kyler Murry playing for them, I wondered if there were a QB named Kylest out there they could recruit.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Shiner on December 06, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
I'll go ahead and call it right now... If Kyler Murray is the starter for OU next year... they do not even sniff the conference title.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 03:59:38 PM
Can't tell if this landed or went right over the heads.  
you are dealing with Sooners here
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
OU does pretty well with QBs, including those who don’t work at other teams but have obvious talent.
I'll grant that you guys surprised me with Baker's success (boy did you ever)....  But c'mon - if yall can make a star out of that little Kyler guy then God is a sooner.
At this point, I fear him not.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
When A&M had both Kyle Allen and Kyler Murry playing for them, I wondered if there were a QB named Kylest out there they could recruit.  
I wish that one had gone right over my head.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 04:04:40 PM
probably makes y'all even, don't think the Sooner fans fear any QBs on the Horn roster
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 06, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
probably makes y'all even, don't think the Sooner fans fear any QBs on the Horn roster
For some reason I would fear our QB's more if they went to OU.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Thumper on December 06, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
Yep.  The Sooners could probably win the Big 12 with a Horn QB. 
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
The Horns often seem to think that it’s good to have two different QBs with sometimes different styles dueling for the position until well into the season. Either that or they just can’t make up their minds.  

Keeps the offense kind of jumbled up and they have trouble getting in a good rhythm.  It doesn’t often work for them.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:22:04 PM
you are dealing with Sooners here
And even worse, a Husker, an Aggie and a small herd of Horns.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 06, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
The Horns often seem to think that it’s good to have two different QBs with sometimes different styles dueling for the position until well into the season. Either that or they just can’t make up their minds.  

Keeps the offense kind of jumbled up and they have trouble getting in a good rhythm.  It doesn’t often work for them.  
I dont think thats TH's intent
Hes just using the tools he was left with
He didnt exhibit that approach at U of H
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
Could be but it seemed like a throw back to the MB QB duels of the 2000s
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: longhorn320 on December 06, 2017, 08:25:07 PM
Could be but it seemed like a throw back to the MB QB duels of the 2000s
I agree with MB
I dont think TH will however
The key is to find a VY or a Mayfield then no worries
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 06, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
I agree with MB
I dont think TH will however
The key is to find a VY or a Mayfield then no worries
I'm a big fan of Ehlinger.  I think you've got your guy.  He will blossom, as long as the rest of the offense can start carrying some of the burden (and provide some mis-direction away from your QB) too.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CWSooner on December 06, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
Can't tell if this landed or went right over the heads.  
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: MikeDeTiger on December 07, 2017, 12:36:09 PM
I wish that one had gone right over my head.

That wasn't a joke.  I just assumed that you were familiar with the Aggies since they are your divorced little brother.  They strike all of us in the Cajun lands as a very strange but mostly harmless cult, and that cult plays on Kyle Field.  Then they have two QBs with Kyleish names, and it just seemed like the most Aggie thing ever.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
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Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 07, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
I just assumed that you were familiar with the Aggies since they are your divorced little brother.
It would frighten you to know how familiar with Aggies I am.  Likely safe to say that I know more about Aggie history/tradition than 50% of today's A&M students.

Yell leader standing in front of the fish pond above.  He's new army because that looks like a white underarmour, not a cotton tee.  Beyond knowing the yell signals, I bet I could match him on fun facts about his school.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: CousinFreddie on December 07, 2017, 03:07:27 PM
It would frighten you to know how familiar with Aggies I am.  Likely safe to say that I know more about Aggie history/tradition than 50% of today's A&M students.
Maybe you shoulda been one of those A&M male cheerleaders when you went to school there.  
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Shiner on December 07, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
*sigh*   Well.... if "new army" is defined as wishing we moved on to having female cheerleaders.... call me new army.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: BrownCounty on December 07, 2017, 03:16:28 PM
*sigh*   Well.... if "new army" is defined as wishing we moved on to having female cheerleaders.... call me new army.
No way man.  You gotta hang on to something before giving up and becoming UT-College Station.
Keep the yell leaders.  Vote down wimmen when they try out.  Some people want to preserve baseball, I want to preserve Aggies.
Is nothing sacred?
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: Shiner on December 07, 2017, 03:19:09 PM
Doesn't matter.... Like MLB giving up the DH, ain't ever gonna happen.

But... at least we have the Aggie dance team for basketball games.  So that's nice.
Title: Re: Rose Bowl
Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2017, 12:09:45 PM
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