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Drew4UTk

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good read here, inline with recent topic
« on: January 22, 2018, 09:59:20 AM »
why CFB has so much trouble crowning a NC...

https://www.cfb51.com/pub/?p=29565

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Re: good read here, inline with recent topic
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 10:52:42 AM »
I agree with all of this:

1997: Nebraska over Michigan, but since they didn’t face each other, claim it up. The Huskers played more final-ranked teams, won more decisively overall, and have the selector majority, but were punished in the AP Poll for the Flea Kicker against Missouri. Here’s what cancels out that controversy: Washington State being robbed of its final play against Michigan in the Rose Bowl. The Huskers probably would’ve been favored in a title game, too.

1996: Florida.

1995: Nebraska.

1994: Unbeaten Nebraska beat two of the final top six teams. Unbeaten Penn State beat four of the final 14. PSU’s overall schedule was harder, but Nebraska was more dominant. The (many) polls favored the Huskers, while the Nittany Lions have the advanced-stats advantage, roughly splitting the computers at the time and adding SRS and S&P+ since (the stats say Penn State is the best non-title team of this era). Nebraska ended up with almost three times as many outright NCAA-listed No. 1s, including the AP.
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Re: good read here, inline with recent topic
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 11:26:22 AM »
good read.

only thing i don't like is they don't include the full story on some of these seasons. like 78 for bama/usc. yes, usc beat bama earlier in season, but usc also lost to a 3 loss asu later in season, and bama beat #1 psu in the sugar bowl while usc beat #5 mich in the rose. h2h means a lot, but it's not the whole story either. bama did a lot to claim their title as well.

and check out the ooc schedules for both teams:
bama:
#10 nebraska (rankings are game time)
@#11 mizzou
#7 usc
@washington
va tech

usc:
texas tech
@ #1 bama
mich state
#8 notre dame
@hawaii

man those would be fun schedules to see now.

and also, 1945 for bama isn't mentioned but should be. undefeated and closest score was a 14 pt win, including a rose bowl win vs usc. army deserves the title, but based on the other mentions of undefeated teams in other years in this article, 45 bama deserves to be mentioned as well.

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 12:05:29 PM »
Yep, good read and good breakdown of why these claims are mythical.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 12:15:35 PM »
and also, 1945 for bama isn't mentioned but should be. undefeated and closest score was a 14 pt win, including a rose bowl win vs usc. army deserves the title, but based on the other mentions of undefeated teams in other years in this article, 45 bama deserves to be mentioned as well.
1944 is similar for Ohio State

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 12:20:03 PM »
1997: Nebraska over Michigan, but since they didn’t face each other, claim it up. The Huskers played more final-ranked teams, won more decisively overall, and have the selector majority, but were punished in the AP Poll for the Flea Kicker against Missouri. Here’s what cancels out that controversy: Washington State being robbed of its final play against Michigan in the Rose Bowl. The Huskers probably would’ve been favored in a title game, too.
Although they were only in position for that play because the WSU WR shoved Woodson down, then made the catch.  The ref pulled the flag out for offensive PI, went to throw it, then stopped himself for some reason.  It was as egregious a PI as you will ever see not called.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 12:25:58 PM »
I enjoy all the speculation and dissent and discussion and argument and Hail Marys unless they are against us.

I also think UCF should be able to call itself NC if they want.  It doesn't hurt anyone.

Have multiple NCs every year, fine with me.  One for FCS, one for Div III, and 3 for FBS.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 12:48:31 PM »

man those would be fun schedules to see now.

the best reason old guys sometimes romanticise about going back to the good old daze
the playing field wasn't level for teams like Boise, UCF, or even Kansas and Kansas St.  But, there were some derned good teams squaring off on the gridiron  
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 12:53:14 PM »
I also think UCF should be able to call itself NC if they want.  It doesn't hurt anyone.

Have multiple NCs every year, fine with me.  One for FCS, one for Div III, and 3 for FBS.
Ed Zachery
as a Husker fan I didn't mind the "split" with Michigan in 97 and would have been fine sharing with Penn St. in 94
even though I firmly believe the Huskers would have won head to head both seasons
unfortunately, because of the Big Ten, those games didn't happen
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 02:15:42 PM »
We've discussed also how some great teams slipped up at the wrong time, 1998 Ohio State and 1983 Texas come to mind, while likely having the "best team" that year.  Georgia in 2003 could make that list along with 2008.

Heck, the Dawgs could claim (and some do) this past season.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2018, 07:11:36 PM »
This is a great list for what I'm doing with the board game.  And once all the champs are created and the other school's best teams, these close-call teams would be great to have.  Settle the score with unfairly leap-frogged '83 Auburn vs. Miami.  Or have '84 BYU play Washington, Florida, and OU, lol.

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2018, 09:03:00 PM »
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1973: Notre Dame beat Alabama in their No. 1 vs. No. 3 bowl, so ignore Bama’s claim to this season, unless you’d also like to ignore the game between the two at the end of the 2012 season. SRS considers once-tied Oklahoma the best non-World War II team ever, by the way.

The tie was 7-7 vs. #1 defending-champion USC in the Coliseum in the 2nd game of the season.  Barry Switzer said later that he didn't know how good a team he had or he would have coached a lot less conservatively.  Soph QB Steve Davis was in his second college football game.  He would start in 34 of them, going 32-1-1.  He had Joe Washington at LHB and Waymon Clark at FB.  Each of them rushed for over 1,000 yards, and Davis rushed for almost 900 himself, while passing for over 900, quite a lot for an early wishbone team.  RHB was by committee, but was productive.

The Selmon brothers were the core of the DL, with oldest brother Lucious at NG and Dewey and Lee Roy flanking him as the DTs.  Rod Shoate was one of the linebackers in the 5-2 defense, and Jimbo Elrod and Duane Bacchus was the starting DEs.

That was a very good team.  After squeaking past Miami, the Sooners ripped through the rest of the schedule, beating Texas 52-13.  That was the first season of a staggered probation--TV was OK, but no bowl game was allowed.  So the last time anyone could see OU on TV until the '75 (season) Orange Bowl vs. Michigan was the 27-0 hammering of Nebraska in which the Huskers crossed the 50 only once, and then fumbled at the end of that play at about the OU 45.  After that game, DC Larry Lacewell said he'd take his defense and go fight the Russians.

On probation and with no bowl game, it's hard to make the case for an NC, but that was a very, very good 10-0-1 team.  At the end of the year, I think that they were the best in all the land.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2018, 10:05:24 PM »
Barry's first season as head coach
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 10:06:53 AM »
The tie was 7-7 vs. #1 defending-champion USC in the Coliseum in the 2nd game of the season.  Barry Switzer said later that he didn't know how good a team he had or he would have coached a lot less conservatively.  Soph QB Steve Davis was in his second college football game.  He would start in 34 of them, going 32-1-1.  He had Joe Washington at LHB and Waymon Clark at FB.  Each of them rushed for over 1,000 yards, and Davis rushed for almost 900 himself, while passing for over 900, quite a lot for an early wishbone team.  RHB was by committee, but was productive.

The Selmon brothers were the core of the DL, with oldest brother Lucious at NG and Dewey and Lee Roy flanking him as the DTs.  Rod Shoate was one of the linebackers in the 5-2 defense, and Jimbo Elrod and Duane Bacchus was the starting DEs.

That was a very good team.  After squeaking past Miami, the Sooners ripped through the rest of the schedule, beating Texas 52-13.  That was the first season of a staggered probation--TV was OK, but no bowl game was allowed.  So the last time anyone could see OU on TV until the '75 (season) Orange Bowl vs. Michigan was the 27-0 hammering of Nebraska in which the Huskers crossed the 50 only once, and then fumbled at the end of that play at about the OU 45.  After that game, DC Larry Lacewell said he'd take his defense and go fight the Russians.

On probation and with no bowl game, it's hard to make the case for an NC, but that was a very, very good 10-0-1 team.  At the end of the year, I think that they were the best in all the land.
we've discussed it in another thread (oam card game thread i think) but 73 was one hell of a season for good teams.
nd 11-0
psu 12-0
bama 11-1
ou 10-0-1
osu 10-0-1
mich 10-0-1
houston 11-1
texas tech 11-1
asu 11-1

 

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