open letter to Coach Butch Jones

[Drew4UTk]

I think Vegas odds have him at 10k:1, and tied with Peyton Manning in that regard, to be HC@UT... they have Kelly leading I think it is, and Tee Martin something like third or fourth on the list.  I think Les Miles was like 7th or 8th.  

turns out Kelly may have disqualified himself with some of the recruiting tactics employed at Oregon... so, there is that...

..... and I ain't makin' none of that^ up, either.

edit:

Check that... it wasn't Gruden tied with Peyton, it was Peyton tied with Lame Kitten instead... Gruden is below that, with odds of 20k:1.  Bob Stoops was around 700:1 and TMartin and LMiles were bracketing him- Miles @ 1k:1... .

these are just odds, obviously- but they're hilarious nonetheless.


it goes: 
Kelly 
Brohm
Petrino
Stoops
TMartin
Miles

boy, those folks on that hill sure are sure of themselves, are't they? 

[MikeDeTiger]

Might could get Lane Kiffin, I'm sure Vols would welcome him back, right?  

He might even bring Orgeron with him.  

[847badgerfan]

So.. Done now?

[OrangeAfroMan]

Florida's offense is broken, but UT's is worse.  And again, UT ran 3 plays at the end of the game from inside the 5, none were runs by Kelly.  I get passing the ball with 9 seconds.  But with 4, you figure its the last play run or pass.

UT had 8 total yards in the 2nd half before that last drive vs prevent D.  Ouch.  Vols go to Bama next week - starting 0-4 in the SEC looks certain. Book it!

[Drew4UTk]

I figure he's out by Monday.  Such a shame.  He's good every day of the week but Saturday.  

[DunkingDan]

I figure he's out by Monday.  Such a shame.  He's good every day of the week but Saturday.  

Depending on the how the buyout is worded he may be a lame duck until minutes after the Vandy game
I hope to salvage some of the recruiting class they can name some one great quick 

[Cincydawg]

Is there a reason to fire him midseason?  It's not as if another coach can really rescue anything IMHO.

I'd keep him until January especially if that saves money.

What is the downside?  Lost attendance? Recruiting?

[Drew4UTk]

there is no reason to fire him mid-season, no... i'm just speaking of what i 'think' they'll do,  

Bama, LSU, UK, Mizzou, Vandy... they're all almost certain losses if he's fired... they're almost certain WITH him... they like excuses. the entitled bunch who drop lots of coin to be recognized as affiliated with the program will lean on the administration, and CBJ likely being a lame duck already, will rest the rest of this season on the outcome of that pressure.. fair or not... 

i like CBJ- i was only a little bit tongue in cheek when i said he just needs to be coached up.  hire a staff of advisers to come in and advise- coach the coach.... it would be cheaper, and would also allow them to get a big name to spark the program and retain recruits- and in all seriousness, CBJ may actually learn a thing or two about whatever it is that is failing him. 

[Cincydawg]

If his coaching style based on negativity he's not a good coach no matter what unless he somehow changes spots.

I would keep him on (not just because I'm a Dawg fan) until January.  The risk is that somehow the Vols pull out some wins and win a minor bowl game.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Plus, UT would be at risk of losing out as Champions of Life without Jones at the helm.

[Cincydawg]

How has it worked in the past for teams that fire their coach midseason?

My very hazy memory is it means the season is pretty much for naught, but then, it would be for naught already.

The Vol schedule is somewhat manageable after next week (which will be bad, very very bad):

@ UK - plausible win (4-4)
USM - call it a win
Mizzou - call it a win, but it might not be (6-4, bowl eligible)
LSU - 6-5, though that could go either way
Vandy - call it a win, 7-5.

Imagine they find some life at Alabama, and then win 4 of those 5 remaining games to go 7-5, however improbable that seems.  Would that save CBJ at all?  They do need to score the odd TD from time to time.

[Drew4UTk]

if the man lost the conservative BS and played the game without concern for "setting my kids up for success", they would play against anyone in the SEC and come out on top at least one out of two (except Bama)...  it's not the team.   

[Drew4UTk]

How has it worked in the past for teams that fire their coach midseason?

My very hazy memory is it means the season is pretty much for naught, but then, it would be for naught already.

The Vol schedule is somewhat manageable after next week (which will be bad, very very bad):

@ UK - plausible win (4-4)
USM - call it a win
Mizzou - call it a win, but it might not be (6-4, bowl eligible)
LSU - 6-5, though that could go either way
Vandy - call it a win, 7-5.

Imagine they find some life at Alabama, and then win 4 of those 5 remaining games to go 7-5, however improbable that seems.  Would that save CBJ at all?  They do need to score the odd TD from time to time.

ya know, Cincy... this is a good question.  I'll answer like this:

My daughter, when she was two'ish, wanted something off a shelf... she couldn't reach it... so, she drug a chair over to it and still couldn't.  i was watching, and refused to intervene- actually stopped my wife from doing so... I wanted to see her reason through it... she pulled the barbie jeep like little pickup truck in front of it and put the chair in the bed- at what point i told her "that's not a good idea"- she paused and kept going... she still couldn't reach it... so, she walked away.  I thought she'd lost interest until she returned with her little plastic stool she uses in the bathroom to brush her teeth.. she put that atop the chair, which was in the bed of the barbie-jeep-like pickup truck, and then climbed up it like some sort of absurd ladder... all the while i'm struggling not to intervene... my thinking: "some lessons need to be learned the hard way"...

damn it... wouldn't you know she was successful?  what that means is she'll now have to fail a few times to undo what she did (in her head)... i don't know if that's good or bad... i'm leaning toward bad because i'm a pessimist and super careful where my kid is involved, but at some level i'm proud of her.  

anyway... I think it was 93 or so- Majors was out sick at UT and Fulmer took over- and never gave the key's back... that is sorta UT's "absurd ladder" moment... they also cut Fulmer mid season, but let him stick around until after the last home game- that one didn't work out so well.  it's happened that fresh blood mid season has worked though i can't pull any statistics together to prove it, but i don't think that is the goal- the goal, by my reckoning, is to make a big fat excuse for a washed season.  it's a cowards exit.

[Cincydawg]

As I see it, the timing on firing CBJ hinges on a few things:

1.  This season.  Well, not really.  Even a 7-5 finish doesn't help much at all (though many of us expected about that).
2.  Recruiting.  I don't know where this stands though I saw news that one CB decommitted.  I don't know if a new coach now or in January impacts that either way.
3.  Money - the buy out impact.
4.  The chance the Vols turn it around and go 8-5 and some decide to keep CBJ around another season.

Anything else?  I think the largest factor is recruiting, but I don't know how best to manage that.